KWAB

BASED, WE WON

#KILLGAMES

Ha-ha! You own nothing anyway!

Fuck games, pay up poorfags

Ukraine lost

You thought you could save games? You can't even save your console. *Bricks remotely*.

>>713619262
this

>entire section dedicated to the success of the movement
>5 minutes of listing people who are behind it
>one dude who is against it who can't even play WoW good
>Kills the entire movement
>over half an hour dedicated to calling the guy and industry plant to try and get any momentum back

I'm starting to think this whole thing sucked from the start

They saved video games

>>713622261
Who cares? That weird tranny got shat on.

Reminder to EU anons it ends on July 31st so you still have time to sign if you haven't yet

>>713622261
he should have shutdown the tranny months ago but Im glad he finally did
the reason its important is because that rat is buying ads and botting like crazy thats why his videos are always at the top on this topic and people got a completely wrong image of the petition

>>713619262
Based

Oh would you look at that

>>713628627
It´s comeback time. 500 000 signatures in one month.... very doable...

Statist arguments ITT preview:
>pajeet
>contrarian
>how much is Ubisoft paying you to post ITT?
>is this post AI?
>if you disagree you must be some other eceleb that nobody else but me has heard of
>I voted with my wallet but other people kept buying things I don't like! I'm calling the police!
>what do you mean additional labor costs additional money?
>OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE DEFENDING CORPORATIONS WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SITE?
>it's the same as selling poison baby food!
>/v/ was always in favor of government regulation of video games! It's just election tourists disagreeing!
>the EU gave us amazing regulations like being able to easily refund games you just purchased!
>EULAs stating the game doesn't work forever don't count because you agree to them after buying the game!
>oh wait ignore that part about games being easy to refund
and when you try to get them to think more than one step ahead about the effects of begging for more video game regulation:
>I don't care I'm unemployed with no future and I want the industry to die

It's how dishonest children argue.

>>713629606
>>713628627
it will lose momentum, just like the first time.

>>713628627
>>713629606
Is literally all Italians, Greeks and Balkaonids fault, all the other countries are above 100%, you can't make this shit up, fucking retards.

Bros... finally we can all go back to playing The Crew 1

>>713628627
did they activate the bots?

>>713622261
Fuck off and stop fucking ferrets, maldavius figtree

>>713623057
That's crazy how these two literally just spam the same videos that're the equivalent to the top reddit reply to a news post.

>>713629668
Pajeet post

>>713618020 (OP)
piRATe WON

>>713619262
Feelsgoodman

>>713623057
Epitome of sloptubers

>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT
>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.
>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT
>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.
>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?
>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.

So basically we need pointless new onerous regulations because redditor eceleb shills are pretending to be stupid

>>713630972
>The EULA says they can take the game away from you for no reason
>This is a good thing actually

>>713630972
>onerous
nigga what are you talking about? The movement is about allowing people to create their servers to keep a game alive

>>713618020 (OP)
He's right but this attempt is the wrong way to go about it. You can't plead with corporations, you have to put politicians in place who tell them what to do. They will not negotiate with you if you ask nicely.

He's asking for too much at once, it need to be a slippery slope.
A good start would be to ask for a copyright and DCMA exemption for single player games that are abandoned and in a "vulnerable state".
Basically if the game only exists on CD-ROM or floppies or have a DRM that require an server that can be shut down, it should be legal to crack and replicate it.

Then you go from there.

People who spam SKG on here remind me of Chanology moralfags. Stop supporting shitty devs and companies instead of sucking government cock to do the hard work for you.

>Forcing game developers do to more work won't cost more money, we'll just make them do it for free!

What a surprise, another commie program that requires slavery in order to function

>>713631425
>it need to be
Sir
>>713631432
Sir

>>713631432
You know why shit like that doesn't work?
Because for 1 sane person there are 100 retards.
So even if you won't support awful games, they will and market will pander to them.
Everything touched by normalfags will turn into shit over time.

>>713631592
If you needing to have an end of life plan for your game gets written into law then that's something you are planning for when making the game and won't cause much extra work.
I'm sorry that you can't destroy what somebody paid you for in order to save 20 manhours of work.

>>713631432
>you don't need steam refunds, just don't buy bad games
You are a monkey.

>>713631820
>if I plan do to more work it means I won't have to do more work
I guess this would make sense to someone with no job

https://heartbound.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Characters

This looks like a fucking furaffinity bio

>>713630972
Hello ferret fucker. Making up more shit that was never said to argue against?

>>713631592
As a customer I want devs to spend more time and money for me to enjoy what I like and paid for indefinitely. Get fucked.

>>713619262

If nothing else comes of this, Ross is a fucking hero for stomping that furfag LARPgroid into the curb. The guy is a legitimate con man, I was shocked to learn that he was taken seriously at one point. Guy has no fucking clue how to code, but he was being treated as an authority? "Game dev of 20 years", just ignore the fact he spent 8 of those years on an undertale clone that currently only has about an hour of gameplay. Ignore that the rest of the time, save for a short stint at Amazon, and before that he was a neop hire at Blizzard and was literally stuck in QA the entire time.
It's even funnier to see this guy LARP as a hacker, he thinks he's an expert at social engineering because he just lies all the time like a sociopath, and he's so proud he solved some retarded puzzles at defcon. I don't think I've ever seen somebody this old with such a complex over being a kid who was probably slightly smarter than average then burnt out.

>>713629668
consider the following:

>>713632259
He uses that pasta in every thread, stop giving him (You)s.

>>713619262
I look like this and say this while playing my GBA backlog.

>>713631905
>>713631432
My dad was on his death bed and at one point, probably a week or so before he passed, he pulled me into his chest so he could talk to me with what little energy he could muster. "Son", he said, "please... Can you... Bring me a controller and a copy of Ubisoft's hit videogame title "The Crew" so that I can play it... One... Last time..."
I didn't have the heart to tell him that the servers had been shut down, so I just let him play another racing game that didn't have predatory always online integrations instead and he seemed much happier. Some games are better left dead.

>>713632094
Nope that's just you bringing in your reddit eceleb drama to /v/

>>713630972
>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.
It's not silly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jl0ekjr0go

>>713629668

>>713632601
>stop killing game
(You)
>e-celeb!
Ok?

>>713630972
Imagine buying a loaf of bread and realising it's half sawdust because by buying it you accepted the EULA. You're defending that.

>>713619262
broke: this doesn't effect me because i play 30 year old single player games so i don't care
woke: this doesn't effect me because i play 30 year old single player games but i care since it makes corpos seethe

>>713631592
government: please don't brick the game someone bought from you
corporation: NIGGERMAN HELP ME IT'S ANOTHA SHOAH

>>713632831
>Buy a loaf of bread
>In 10 years it's unedible
>"Holy fucking shit how was I expected to know this bread wasn't going to last forever? Best by dates? You expect me to read that? Best by dates are unenforceable anyway, stop expecting me to have an IQ higher than 60".
You shouldn't use a food analogy that can be used against you sweaty.

>>713618020 (OP)
I made my parents sign.

>NOOOOOO ALL CRITICISM OF SKG HAS ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED, JUST WATCH 30 HOURS OF VIDEOS BY MY INTERNET FRIEND ROSS BEFORE CALLING THE PETITION STUPID
somehow I am not convinced

>>713632225
翧 筌 韫 縏 I worked at winter storm
nepo 駰 晞 baby
沌 庅 韢 撂 Maldavius Figtree
MANA GEM 焷 藖 姤 鯟 鴰 柿 柽 COCKROACH
voice synth 嵌 領 渟 ferretfuck
佗 崅 耸 Animal Well 腿 嶟 谀 述 酡 自 纲
8 years 斎 碖 黴 圢 no game

>>713633112
dangerously based

>>713633170
There's a 45 second summary on youtube by a guy name bubble brian ... fucking retard.

>>713629940
THIS IS INTENTIONAL DEMORALISATION

ONLY 7 COUNTRIES NEED TO PASS THE THRESHOLD WHICH THEY DID

>>713633405
Ah yes, Bubble Brian. My go to reliable source for all EU news.

>>713628627
It's around +41.300 now.

Even if it fails (which let's be real it probably will) then I'm still have happy to not be a corporate bootlicker and that this was the inciting incident that made people start to not like PirateSoftware.

>>713632225
>he spent 8 of those years on an undertale clone that currently only has about an hour of gameplay
I'd like to note that this was kickstarted so he SCAMMED the people who paid for the game. Someone should sue him.
Also he got assblasted by steam update showing that there was no update to his game for over 8 months and then he suddenly started updating it.

>>713633510
he's just saying italy, greece, and the balkans have disproportionately low numbers of signatures compared to the other countries

>>713633559
>Too long video
>ok here a shorter version
>too short I don't trust it
I see you took the short special bus to go to school.

>>713633693
Meds don’t play video games

>>713633170
Gives me your biggest points of concern, Anon.

>apply for my irish passport just to sign this
>they still haven't sent it back months later
PLEASE BROTHER MICKS I HAVE TO PISS OFF GAME COMPANIES

>>713623057
piratesisters, our response?

>>713618020 (OP)
On one hand, I don't like that a game that I decide to play could shutter at any time (gachashit and online multiplayer have been a disaster to vidya as we know it)
On the other, it's not like we're losing good games if half of the reason they existed was to either be a money sink or require that every action you take in-game be observed by their servers.

>>713633890
We're gonna win by doing nothing

>>713629940
>be Balkanoid
>country is not in EU
How the fuck is it my fault?

Can I vote?

It's picking up momentum again. If no one after that penguinz0 dude makes a big video about it, he needs to make hype videos about it and keep it going. It can happen.

>>713633101
This would be a good comparison if we were talking about subscription games like WoW and somebody being mad that they can't access the game after their gametime runs out, but we're not, really. Try again, hun.

>>713623057
when is Pewdiepie dropping his video?

>>713633978
he's doing plenty

>>713634001
Ask yourself this, are you a communist?

>>713634001
Yes, you can Roachkun.

>>713634081
That guy doesn't make gaming videos anymore.

>>713633592
>the inciting incident
what the fuck
also it wasn't, it all started with Dire Maul, the wow hardcore drama

>>713634001
Do you like freedom and are you in EU? Then yes.

>>713633980
If you didn't live in such disrepair you could have been an EU member by now. Just kidding, do your part by spreading the part and ridiculing anti-SKGfags.

>>713633890
I can't wait for Pirate response video so he clown himself even more

>>713634210
there were plenty of people who thought jason was a retarded prick before that.

>>713634210
Live like a roach
Die like a roach

>>713634210
the WoW drama happened after his video on stopkillinggames pissed off his own audience and ross's who then dug up the figtree stuff

This faggot needs to make a video about it. That would probably gives us enough traction to be done in 10 days or so.

>>713634001
I'm sure Berlin has an internet connection

>>713619262

big non-anglophone youtubers need to make videos about it

Why are SKG supporters so obsessed with youtube edrama? I thought this was supposedly an important issue.

>>713633592
>"omg u can read a contract? ur a hecking bootlicker! I'm also a transgender"
>>713630972
based
>>713633170
based
>>713631953
This is exactly why skg is retarded
>>713632831
retarded analogy

>>713634368
>he WoW drama happened after his video on stopkillinggames
nope, WoW drama was first, check the dates

>The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
- Some faggot.

>live in an era when people hate AAA-games and AAA-games hype dies fast
>people actually play indie-games and even small ones
>be an indie dev in this golden age
bros...i think im gonna make it...

>>713628627
STOP THE COUNT

>>713634610
Because game yournos and the news are barely covering it, tons of bad faith actors try to shit up the conversation and threads on 4chan and reddit are being deleted. If drama is the only way to reach the masses, so be it.

>>713634482
If he made a video we'd meet the threshold in hours.
Crazily enough, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility since he's a Linux man now (a fan of owning things).

>>713633890
We sign.
An online game usually cannot be pirated. But with this petition, the devs are forced to leave the game in a playable state offline (for example with bots), and therefor the game can be pirated.

>>713634820
Except fining a new good game is harder than ever because we never had so much shit released each year.

>>713634820
>indie golden age
The problem is the market is ridiculously over saturated, everyone and their mum is trying to cash in and every storefront is flooded with slop.
If you don’t have an e-celeb to blast your game everywhere or some other aggressive marketing strategy your game is going to get buried under a mountain of poojeet mobile tier crap.

>>713634820
There's so much competition in the indie scene right now its brutal, especially if you're trying to make a living and not juggle doing a real job on top of doing gamedev work. Not to even mention the asset flips and AI garbage flooding Steam and Itch.

>>713634763
Pirate's SKG video and streams were in July / August 2024.
Dire Maul happened in Janurary of this year.

Sign it to kill Bungie and Destiny.

>>713633510
>507,799 signatures towards 1,000,000 goal

For a European citizens' initiative to be valid, it must obtain at least one million valid signatures and meet the minimum thresholds in at least seven countries.

learn to read you fucking moron

>>713635139
FUCK you're right
I done goofed
that being said I still think Dire Maul was the bigger controversy which caused all other controversies to show up

>>713634925
+42.200 signatures now.

>>713635163
You say that like they aren't already dead.

>>713635175
Yes, this is obvious to anyone, but shills keep spamming that all individual countries need to hit their threshold, too and that you don't need to vote because it's not gonna happen anyways.

>Game Dungeon man realizing he has to start stirring shit and embrace easy edrama if he wants to compete
This must be a very sad realization for him considering he's the opposite of a lazy youtuber and instead works diligently to work as inefficiently as possible. Too bad he realized it too late to save the initiative.

>>713634925
>>713635007
>>713635059
im nor afraid because im making a gay-coomer game

>>713635301
Meant for >>713633564

>>713635380
/v/ will like it for sure.

>>713629940
Unfortunatly in Italy there is a culture for not voting. I am surprised it's only second-last place, and not last place.
For instance, in more than 25 years, only 1 referendum had a partecipation rate of at least 50%.

>>713634820
Unfortunately you still need to network and market or nobody will ever play your game

>>713634820
Good luck breaking through the endless slop. Golden era of gaming was 1991-2008.

>>713635175
They've hit the minimum threshold in 8 countries so far so that's nice.
France and spain are less than 5% away. I assume France doesn't care because Ubisoft is there's.

>>713634482
>>713634883
This guy doesn't do gaming videos anymore and his videos barely reach 1 million views.

>>713635376
>work diligently to be as inneficient as possible
Kek

>>713635380
>russian
>gay
>coomer
>game
godspeed anon

>>713630972
lmao yuros got owned by this post

>>713629668
Okay but what's wrong with getting help from the gouvernment to ensure that corpos don't fuck over their consumers. It worked against Apple when they were found out they pushed updates that intentionally fucked how much the device's battery can last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

Pretty perfect encapsulation of every conversation with SKG

WE HAVE TO SAVE THE GAMING

MOLD SWEEP

>>713635746
>writer
Lole, dropped, not a real dev, don't give a shit. Hope you kill yourself ;)

>>713635736
>what's wrong with getting the government to strip people of the rights to develop and maintain their own software and protect proprietary code
A lot.

>>713635670
binland :DDDD

>>713635670
Finland and Poland are statistically more based than other EU countries.

>>713635874
>>what's wrong with getting the government to strip people of the rights to develop and maintain their own software and protect proprietary code
Imagine believing that. Imagine thinking that. Imagine living in a society having those ideas in your head.
Dreadful.

>>713635874
>you can't get help from the government because... uhmn... because...
>YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY??? A LOT MIGHT GO WRONG!

OKAY

I KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST ONE OF YOU FAGGOTS IN HERE WHO COULD SIGN BUT DIDNT YET

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

DO IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>713630972
eulas cannot contradict laws. they are just words otherwise.
right now, now laws exist in europe on the matter.
this campaign will hopefully fill this void, one way or another.

>>713635736
It also forced apple to fuck off with their own charging cables and headphone jacks which they made for no other reason than to sell at triple the normal price.

>>713635987
I didn't say you can't get help from the government
I said it's wrong to ask the government to strip people of their rights because you're mad about not understanding how licensing works

>>713636036
Extremely cringe.

>>713636047
>the EU is going to pass a law that says MMOs need to stay online forever sucking up energy and causing pollution even after everybody stops playing
hmm somehow I doubt it

>>713636036
sorry mr doggo i signed now

>>713632225
>he spent 8 of those years on an undertale clone
He's taken so fucking long that he's going to get fucking lapped by Deltarune kek

>>713635937
I agree. They are just so good, I envy them.

>Thor dumping a wall of text trying to defend himself on Twitter
He really is Ex-Blizzard

>>713636071
>Sorry kid, corporation rights to strip you of your rights come first
Nobody's suggesting developers HAVE to give up their code, yknow. They just need to not break the product they sold to you.

>>713636172
That is not what is being asked for. We want a law that requires devs to provide us with the tools to host our own servers if we want to if they want to shut down the game.

>>713636332
Post em

>>713635736
it's just offensive to his religion man, god forbid you recognize the practical reality that government will always exist and if you don't try to manipulate it it will be used against you LOL

>>713632831
>food analogy

>>713636332
Good, the more he spergs out the more attention we get.

>>713636404
Literal fucking wall

>>713618020 (OP)
I'm somewhat impressed that he isn't afraid to do this and he's so brash about it. Some people may be opposed to these changes and might seek repercussions. Bruce Lee thought he was untouchable as well.

>>713636332
>>713636404
Thor posted this then deleted it after his fans dogged on him.

>>713636356
>hosting games with a server-client architecture is STRIPPING ME OF MY RIGHTS
shut up retard
>Nobody said the answer is two! We just want 1+1!
shut up retard

>>713636475
what an asshole

>>713622261
>one retard literally spams his shit SO HARD out of spite for things he literally does not understand that it kills a genuine grassroots movement
yeah it's almost like extremely loud retards can do dangerously retarded things who could have fucking guessed
willful destructive malicious ignorance should be punishable by death or physical and chemical castration

>>713636528
>Stay frosty
The AAA slop is so deeply ingrained in this man's brain

>>713636475
God he's so mad

>muh Ross
>muh Thor
>muh Pirate
>does anyone here know how to contact Pewdiepie?
Why do only eceleb worshippers care about this campaign?

>>713635670
>Netherlands overtook Denmark in the end
We finally did it Dutch/v/ros!

>>713636568
If you think any e-celeb's take "killed the movement" you're a fucking moron that desperately needs to touch grass
>>713636675
because no one with two brain cells to rub together would look at what Ross put together and do anything but laugh

>>713634820
Hundreds of games get released on steam every week. Your game has to be good and you need to advertise it.

>>713630972
>*sluurrrp* *sluuurrrp* I want more corpo-cock!!!
Anon...

>>713635874
The rights that are being stripped are yours, retard. The EU already says that they can't do this shit, game companies just haven't been challenged on it so a precedent needs to be set.
>>713636475
This vile weasel rapist, I hope he's forced to audit all 17k lines of his retarded event array to make sure it has an EOL plan. "20 years of game dev" and people actually believed him when he's sitting on the same tier as yandev?

>>713636712
Bami from FEBO is based slopfood.

>>713636475
>>713636528
Good, good, let the butthurt flow through you.

>>713636881
>The rights that are being stripped are yours
No one's rights are lost because a server-based game shut down.
You're wrong and stupid.

It's +43.000 signatures now. We'll only need about 14036 signatures per day.

>thread is just seething about piratesoft who did next to nothing to kill their petition
lmao yuros

>>713636881
>17k lines of his retarded event array to make sure it has an EOL plan. "20 years of game dev" and people actually believed him when he's sitting on the same tier as yandev?
Quick rundown on this?

>>713636475
damn, this guy is sphincter shattered

>>713630972
>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen
good thing they show that to everyone BEFORE they purchase the game and not after they've already made a purchase and are either installing or have already installed the game huh

>>713636728
>If you think any e-celeb's take "killed the movement" you're a fucking moron that desperately needs to touch grass
They can have a significant impact.

>>713637095
They do.
Every storefront also puts multiple large blocks of text saying THIS GAME REQUIRES AN INTERNET CONNECTION AND MAY GO DOWN AT ANY TIME
There's no excuse for pretending to be uninformed.

>>713636528
I doubt Ross is even a great debater so it's funny to be so spooked by talking to him and contrive a personality for him that doesn't exist

>>713636475
>Half the post is just him going "I-I'm not a corpo guys I swear!"
lol and lmao

>>713636558
>hosting games with a server-client architecture is STRIPPING ME OF MY RIGHTS
I can still play Unreal Tournament. That game hasn't had a source code release. That game's not even being sold anymore and I can still play it online.

>>713637031
keep your hands off the furrets, thor

>>713637197
The only impact they can have is a slightly positive one from extra exposure.
The level of delusion around this petition is incredible. I'm sorry but no, people didn't sign this petition because they either don't give a shit or looked at it and thought it was stupid (which it is).
Nobody saw this and went OH GEE I WONDER WHAT THOR AND MOIST CRITIKAL THINK

No matter the outcome
Thor is still mad and more widely considered a cunt
And that satisfies my petty soul

>>713633592
>I dont care about GAAS
>still those games are going to get fucked over thanks to EU anons
>Plus PS gets shitted on once again
Best timeline ever

>>713619262
Holy based.

>>713630972
>imagine knowing to be so objectively wrong that you have to make stuff up and lie with every word
I do sometimes wonder if "people" like you have any shame.

>>713637282
>Unreal Tournament hasn't had a source code release
That you think exposing server code to decompilation or being forced to build replacement middleware has anything to do with "source code release" tells me everything I need to know.

>>713636172
If you looked into it at all you would know MMOs that are pay monthly are explicitly exempted from this because they are a paid monthly service and not a one time purchase good being taken away.

>>713637346
>people didn't sign this petition because they either don't give a shit or looked at it and thought it was stupid (which it is)
Then why are more people signing it?

If everyone who signed it got their mom to it could pass

>>713636528
He posted all of that and then deleted it? Kek what a bitch.

>>713637032
>People actually believed this guy
>He was streaming this
It's beyond amateur, he needs to learn how to use a hashmap - pretty much anything would be better than this, just such a dumb fucking way to develop software, no wonder he only does 15 minutes of work over 164 hours of development live streaming - he's dealing with code that looks like this.

>>713637282
Anon game development has evolved, we absolutely NEED to engineer our game with horrible middleware licenses and constant authentication. This cannot be avoided for reasons I will never explain. Locally hosted games are voodoo black magic wizardry

>>713637450
Except The Crew is an MMO and that's the game that SKG shills are pretending to care about being shut down

>>713637461
my mum died of cancer cunt take that back

If we manage to escalate this pace a bit more we can unironically be done in 10 days or so.

>>713634482
Is that a diving suit?

>>713637613
We need more than 1mil signatures because we don't know how many are fake.

>>713637571
you're british and not relevant here

>>713637453
>N-NO BRO IT'S GONNA HIT A MILLION WE JUST NEED TO KEEP UP THIS PACE EVERY DAY FOR A MONTH
more delusion
the petition recently got more exposure, you know, the thing I said made a small difference?
You OK little bro?

Spite is the greatest motivator of them all, isn't it?

>>713637613
It'll probably pitter out by the end of the week at around 525k signatures which sucks but I don't see more Youtubers making a vid on it now that the drama is over.

>>713636675
Sadly ecelebs are the primary source of news to most people under the age of 28, which is the biggest gaming demographic.

>>713637461
That's actually not a bad fucking idea.

>>713637613
eh, the hype will likely die down in a few days unless the youtube drama keeps going, which seems unlikely. If we really do make it it'll be on the last couple days or so and like >>713637706 said a bunch of those signatures will turn out to be fake so we would need extra.

>>713619262
he is me

>>713636712

>>713632032
>>713632145
>one of the characters is literally Gigachad
>he's evil rapist father

>>713637540
You see, with game devs like Jason "Maldavius Figtree" Hall, they do need that middleware because the modern game dev is a drooling retard who spends their time gooning their brains out instead of learning basic engineering precepts. Without the middleware, they are literally screwed! That middleware is the only reason they'd be able to pick out an element from their storyline array!

Why does PirateSoftware hate Stop Killing Games?

Anyone notice how Grummz and PirateSoftware are like two sides of the same coin?
>both ex-Blizzard devs
>both haven't work on their games
>both are grifting to different sides of Twitter
>both run secret smut accounts with embarrassing fetishes
>both are weird around minors

>>713619262
Whoops sorry, that single-player game now requires always online drm. If you try to pirate the previous version your ISP will shut off your internet entirely.

>>713637346
>people didn't sign this petition because they either don't give a shit or looked at it and thought it was stupid (which it is).
>Nobody saw this and went OH GEE I WONDER WHAT THOR AND MOIST CRITIKAL THINK
All of these things can be true at once.

I'm retarded and gay.
I think corporations should be allowed to revoke things I paid for whenever they want.

>>713637461
i got my mom, dad and brother to sign and shared why and how to sign it in an old uni videogame whatsapp group to wich the teacher replied at the time said it looked intersting

i'm a giga autist without any socialmedia so I feel like I did my part in terms of what I had control over

>>713636475
Ross should reply. Might as well keep going.

>>713638025
Uh oh, anon is nooooooticing

>>713623057
why did these faggots decide now was the time to deboonk the furry after he already won

>>713630972
>heh, daddy gubment save me
>Yes corpo please ass fuck me, one day I'll be just as good as you

>>713619262
I've got more roms on my steam deck then I could ever probably play, China could EMP our grid tomorrow and I'd be pretty okie dokie.

>>713638084
He made one comment on it in response to the claim that Thor never deleted any videos or streams. Ross pointed out that Thor deleted the video where he read his response out.

>>713637718
i still want a written apology innit cunt

>>713638018
Because he is genuinely pissing himself at the idea of trying to maintain his nightmarish codebase. He knows he is totally raped if he actually has to try and fix his garbage retard code.

>>713638025
What's Grummz secret fetish? Other than being a pedo, I guess.

>>713637197
>can
did, even
>>713637346
you're doing some weird attempts at deflecting from the fact e-cancer had a part of shaping how people saw this movement, it's consistent and it's annoying so I'd appreciate if you'd stop being such a faggot

>>713637959
Your obsession with ecelebs aside there is literally no reason for devs to spend time to build systems from scratch that already exist off the shelf. Do you think car manufacturers machine all of the parts they use?

>>713637554
There was a monthly sub required to pay The Crew?

>>713636036
>EU
welp is there another way for NA

>>713623057
StopKillingGames has actually been a good litmus test to see which e-celebs are shills

>PirateSoftware
>Asmongold
Industry Plants

>Critikal
>SomeOrdinaryGamers
Legit

Any major gaming channel that has avoided talking about it is most likely compromised.

>>713638348
yeah every month moloch would require 1 pint of blood

>>713638372
No, we're completely and utterly assfucked by corporations.

>>713638219
He ran a fetish forum that was mostly dedicated to wrestling and then later on just beating the shit out of women and little girls.

>>713619262
Now THIS is podracing.

>>713635736
We live in an age where religion was replaced with corporations. They defend them as hard as zealots used to do.

>>713638372
>welp is there another way for NA
nah we're fucked here corpos run our government

>>713638405
has asmongold said anything since vaguely agreeing with Piratesoftware after watching his video?

>>713638265
>e-cancer had a part of shaping how people saw this movement
It really really didn't.
The vast majority of people, even ones exposed to the petition, have no idea who the fuck Ross or Thor or any of these faggots are.
Your perspective is warped because you spend way too much time online.
You desperately want to believe that the only reason anyone would think the petition is stupid is because they were told to hold that opinion, because the alternative is that people actually genuinely think it's stupid. Which it is.

>>713638207
I was moochin’ about, lookin’ for a bit of quiet. Decided to pop into this empty church near me, ‘cause the world’s gone mental and I just want a sit-down to think about why biscuits never snap evenly or why me head’s so round.
Push open the creaky door, and it’s dead silent inside. Smells like damp wood and old candles. Sun’s streamin’ through them colored windows, makin’ funny patterns on the floor. I’m just stood there when I spot this fella up by the altar, wearin’ a bright yellow t-shirt. I’m thinkin’, “What’s this bloke doin’ here all alone? Bit odd, innit?”
I squint, and blimey, he’s proper hairy. Arms like a rug, back like a doormat. I’m wonderin’ if he’s some hippy who’s allergic to razors or just naturally a human carpet. Bit weird for a church, where you expect hymn books, not some hairy geezer in a t-shirt that looks nicked from a builders’ site.
Step closer, tryin’ not to creak the floorboards, and then it hits me. This ain’t no fella—it’s a flippin’ monkey! Standin’ upright like he’s about to preach. Yellow t-shirt hangin’ off him like it’s his mate’s. I’m gobsmacked, thinkin’, “How’s a monkey in a church? And where’d he get that t-shirt? Primark?”
Wonderin’ if I’m losin’ it or if this is some hidden camera lark. Maybe he’s escaped from a zoo and thought, “Church’ll do for a hideout.” I step forward; he turns, gives me a cheeky look, like he’s in on a joke I ain’t. Half expect him to offer me a banana, but he just scratches his armpit and shuffles behind a pew.
I’m stood there, wonderin’ what now. Tell someone? They’d think I’m daft. “Yeah, saw a monkey in a yellow t-shirt in church.” So I leg it out, back to the real world where things make more sense. Still thinkin’ about that monkey, though, wonderin’ if he’s still there, prayin’ or whatever monkeys do in a t-shirt. Weird innit?

>>713638037
>If you try to pirate the previous version your ISP will shut off your internet entirely.
Imagine living in the land of the free* lmao

>>713638018
He misunderstood it at first and his ego doesn't let him back down and admit he was wrong, so he's doubling down

>>713638018
He made a base judgement that ross didn't know gamedev and assumed the initiative was asking the impossible and doomed to fail, but the main factor is that he's a narcissist so he literally can't admit when he's wrong ever so he'll just double down every time he's provoked.

>>713638571
He just agreed with him in the general react streamer way of going, "Yeah, this guy knows what he's talking about."

>>713638405
>someordinarygamers
>legit
lol they're literally nazis you clown

>PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH ME GOOD
>PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE BAD

>>713638018
because he earns more money getting paid to stream himself playing wow to his rabid fanbase than he actually earns by making a 2D rpg metaphor game about depression

>>713638405
Critical is an annoying idiot that was wrong about the Karl vs Billy case and he's going to be wrong about supporting this stupid petition.

>>713638037
>>713638617
ISP's don't give a flying fuck about copyright notices

>>713619262
wtf where did you get that pic of me

>>713630972
>>That's silly,
Yet you operate on the logic that anything goes as long as its written
Interesting

>>713636036
Extremely based

>>713638164
Looks like they're still actively replying to each other. Saw a rando chime in saying "So where's your VoD of yesterday", refreshed and now that tweet seems to be missing. Lmao.

>>713638609
>It really really didn't.
Typing "really" twice doesn't magically make your bullshit come true, you know. You gotta do it THREE times!

>>713638067
nice

>>713637762
At the current pace i'd expect 525k by tomorrow night, it's less than 16k away and they are ticking up 1k per hour roughly.

>>713638757
>this stupid petition
Your Blizzard is showing

>>713638281
The modern game dev is a retard, they use proprietary middleware because it's a crutch. These "people" don't know how to code because they need to spend 6 hours of the day dilating their pus filled neovaginas so they don't close up. All the worst sins of modern software? You'll find it in the games industry. None of them know how to do shit beyond some pretty little unreal scripts because the whole industry is bullshit. No other tech sector relies so heavily on licensing middleware, because engineers worth their salt actually know how to build their own scalable and maintainable systems.

>>713636172
Good falseflag. Keep on the good work anon.

>>713638881
>N-NUH UH

>>713636881
>same tier as yandev
Bro don't insult him, he at least has a playable game a lot of degenerates enjoyed, regardless if it is held together by a black hole of if-else conditions.
The weasel fucker on the other hand hasn't released shit, essentially scammed his backers, and like you said, it's going to be fucking hilarious seeing him finally come to the realization that localization with that ungodly hard coded array is going to be an impossible task.

>one streamer is enough to kill the movement
do you expect me to believe that? you should've found a better scapegoat because hyping this guy up as your villain only serves to make your "movement" look feeble.

>>713638828
>Yet you operate on the logic that anything goes as long as its written
Yes, that's how contracts work

>>713638698
>lol they're literally nazis you clown
Say no more, subscribing to them now

>>713638954
>No other tech sector relies so heavily on licensing middleware
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>713638698
>they're literal nazi
Why do you say it like it's a bad thing?
Being white supremacist and nazi simply mean you want your community and your society to prosper these days and the best thing is that every news channels have been calling people that, regardless of their races or religion for the past 10 years.
So everyone can join and help the white man now.

>>713638954
So what? This frees up developers to make what they want instead of reinventing the wheel every time they make a new game.

>>713638757
Everybody was wrong about Karl vs Billy because karl lied about what the case was actually about

>>713639006
There is no movement, it's a handful of discord shills

>>713636475
>recent attacks on our games
lol what a fag

>>713636728
Hello maldavius

>>713619262
that hardware won't last forever
that phyiscal copy won't last forever
and i'll be there to sell you a code

>>713639135
I dunno if 500000 people from the EU alone is a handful of discord people

>>713636475
>>713636528
The biggest thing that exposes this fraud is that Ross is supported by multiple reputable devs and studios with his initiative. While this """professional game dev""" can't bring out a single dev to back him up. Because actual devs understand what Ross wants and aren't dishonest.

>>713638281
man it takes effort and deliberateness to make basic gameplay not work without middleware solutions, and with regulation any prohibition under the middleware license would fuck it over anyway
let's face it, it's based. no I don't care about pearl clutching over server binaries getting decompiled

>>713639009
So if i can write a contract where its written in tiny letters i can rape you at 12 pm eastern standard time that is alright

>>713639121
You are onto something! What they want is utter garbage, and I'm going to laugh so hard, their reliance on not actually making shit has all but sealed their fate, they will be replaced by LLMs and most people won't even notice.

>>713638405
>asmongold
He was literally all for the initiative and even invited people to vote for it. He just didn't do any research to understand that the furry blizzard dev is completely misrepresenting the initiative.

>>713638571
He just agreed that companies shouldn't have to indefinitely provide support, which nobody is even asking for. But he was all for the idea of fully legalizing private servers.

>>713636881
>"20 years of game dev"
as someone who worked in QA I would never call myself a fucking "gamedev"

>>713639231
You say that like it's a lot, and it's been up for a year with discord shills spamming it

>>713638875
kek, I hope the deeper he digs that hole the more signatures ross gets

>>713639242
>Ross is supported by multiple reputable devs and studios
lol
lmao
(you)

>>713638972
You've literally made 8 posts doing nothing but that, anyway you're boring me you can go away now

>>713636475
>>713636528
isn't this dude just a faggot with a voice filter? how the fuck did he find out about the movement in the first place

why would he care

>>713639330
No, but I can write a contract that says that the game may not work forever and you can choose to accept or reject it

>>713638372
consumer rights are antifreedom

>>713639480
He found out because his fanbase kept asking him to comment on it, so he gave the lowest IQ take possible.

>try to get family to sign
>no luck
>most of them are commies or lean left
It's actually a bit hilarious that for all that this industry takes itself so fucking seriously with "MUH VIDYA IS ART" and how the profit margins have reached ridiculous levels, the majority of normalfags still look at vidya that isn't candy crush on the phone as some weird thing and not a consumer product.

>>713639330
How would it be rape if you contractually consent to it?

>>713639458
How does it feel when no one in your industry loves you, Thor?

>>713637206
>THIS GAME REQUIRES AN INTERNET CONNECTION
It's just a sticker in the corner but I'll let you have this one
>AND MAY GO DOWN AT ANY TIME
False. Find me 3 (tres) games that do that.

>>713639480
ex-blizzard nigger who wants more relevance and thinks shitting on Ross is the way to get it
a husk of a corporate stooge, this stupid faggot has literally nothing else going on in his life least of all his own video game projects that are vaporware at best

>>713638875
>Ross: I don't have much to add beyond what I said in my video, but saying "I never took my videos down" is false unless it was done by someone else who manages your channel. The stream where you read my reply and the one prior to that were absolutely deleted from your channel.
>Pirate: Twitch VoDs auto-delete after 60 days. Any Stream going over 12 hours of runtime on YouTube is auto-cutoff and then deleted at 16 hours of runtime due to their shitty storage system. What you've proposed here is untrue and a deflection from my message.
He just can't help himself, huh?

>>713639495
>No, but I can write a contract that says that the game may not work forever and you can choose to accept or reject it
yeah but when you go and buy the game it says "buy game" not "rent game" which is what it actually is

no other form of trading works like these videogames do

>>713636475
>like online only experiences such as Mobas
Dota 1 required no central servers and just peer to peer connections
>like MMORPGs
WoW, Star Wars Galaxies and multiple other emulators prove that wrong
>User generated content
any old games that have mods is this

>>713639550
What consumer rights, bootlicker?

>>713639619
>actually provoking Ross
He's gonna trigger the New York autism

>>713639574
>most of them are commies or lean left
>refuses to sign it to own it to the corporations

Jason is a nigger who is never going to release his shitty game because he is afraid of failure and not living up to his daddy's name.

>>713638757
Someone pay Billy Mitchel on fiverr to come out in support of the petition, it would cause the highest amount of asshurt.

>>713639480
>isn't this dude just a faggot with a voice filter? how the fuck did he find out about the movement in the first place
lol your post is just as believable as "hey isn't that Jussie Smollett the talented gay actor from the hit TV series Empire?"

only an insider or someone with investments the industry would be against the mere idea of this reaching european politicians.
For the common man there is literally no harm in getting the measure on the docket in goverment to even just talk about

>>713618020 (OP)
>This thread
>/v/ cheers for the death of Emulation
>Playing crappy zoomer games
>Licking Corpo boots
>Cope, Seethe, Cry more, Cry about it, I'm right, You're wrong, Coomer this coomer that buzzword shitflingingfest.
>Based corporations
>Killgames
>Anti-Emulation

>>713639813
the only thing i've seen out of this dude is the WoW clip where he abandons his party and a short clip where his voice filter that makes his voice sound deeper just cuts off

i had no idea he was that popular

>>713639358
Asmongold is currently running defence for PirateSoftware on his stream, I'm starting to think those rumours that Asmon is an industry plant aren't just rumours.

>>713639798
Billy is an adult and a business owner, he would never support this commie gobbledygook

>>713639896
human beings are so fucking stupid that people like him can just be inexplicably popular, yeah

>>713639619
>any stream over 12 hours on youtube
Shouldn't be an issue for him then?

>>713639480
>>713639896
He's a compulsive liar that got popular when his fake stories went viral. After the wow incident people started digging more into him and found out that half of the shit he says isn't true.

>>713637762
That's why we NEED Pirate's response video

>>713639870
You will see everything you love turn into dust, but before that it will turn into twisted reflection of itself.

>>713639926
>defence
all he did was say he's gonna watch charlies video on it later instead of the outright hater titled one from a literal who

>>713639480
Some retards actually thought he gave a shit about game preservation and wasn't a faggot con man. Of course, since he's a pseudointellectual little narcissist, he couldn't pass up on an opportunity to try and make himself look smart and a real gamedev by just trying to instantly put Ross down. It was probably a bad idea, because had he not taken that opportunity, the site and Ross's video literally covered exactly what he was talking about and proposed multiple ways to make something work.
Now everybody knows he's a tard, a roach, a faggot furfag, a pedo, and a scammer. Instead of killing games, he should consider killing himself.

>>713639619
https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1937962707367686507
https://archive.is/DttLN
Fucking what?

>>713636071

Corporations aren't people you fucking moron, kill yourself immediately after you spit that boot out.

>>713618020 (OP)
Based. Inshallah death to video games.

>>713629940
It is the duty of med bulls, to make northern cucks seethe while banging their women who came here on vacation.

>>713640205
>corporations aren't people
No, but software developers are.
Congrats: you're the dumbest motherfucker in this VERY dumb thread.

>be gamedev
>host game
>game fails
>out of money
>EU no expects you still run and support the game indefinitely

????????????????????????????????????

>>713640063
This is why people should keep hounding him so he keeps bitching and moaning, looking like a bigger retard. Dramanigger channels need to start covering how this guy probably raped his ferrets.

>>713618020 (OP)
why is this cause for celebration? seemed like a good initiative.

>>713639926
What the fuck are you on about? I literally just skimmed through the whole thing and he never actually talks about it in the current stream. He may have just mentioned it briefly, but he didn't look into it.

>>713640275
Is PirateSoftware really trying to blackmail Ross now? What a fucking faggot this just makes me hate him even more.

>>713640275
Ross is just way too fucking nice

>>713640275
How can one person be such a massive faggot?

>>713640319
yes autistically spamming obviously false bestiality rape claims will definitely make normal people put their personal info on your petition

>>713640312
How are retards like you still misconstruing what was said and written? Oh wait, because you're feigning ignorance.

Releasing source code or server binaries costs nothing except the bandwidth to upload it to some third party site, you fucking mongoloid.

>>713640136
>Look at what's happening to MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Classic narcissist. He literally can't see anything wrong with saying this.

>>713640312
>be unironically retarded
Thor, is that you, you dumb fuck?

>>713636475
>>713636528
>>713640275
holy shit he is so fucking stupid he just keeps digging this hole.

>>713639926
>NOOOO THIS GUY DOESN'T JUST BLINDLY AGREE WITH ME AND INSTEAD WANTS TO DO MORE RESEARCH HE'S A SHILL EVERYONE SHOULD BELIEVE EXACTLY WHAT I BELIEVE OR THEY'RE COMPROMISED!!!!!
holy autism

>>713638698
>they're literally nazis
man, I wish

hey remember when piratesoftware claimed that mr robot stole a solution for a puzzle from a "viral" write-up he did? and then people actually looked it up and his "viral write-up" was a tumblr post that barely any got on notes and was on something that a bunch of people already solved and knew about? lol

>>713638018
Cause he's a fuckin retard like every corpo brown nosing faggot speaking against it.

>>713638698
>calls someone a literal nazi
>also complains about tribalism
wild

>>713636475
Holy shit
He is SO far up his own ass.

>>713640082
i see,
although i do have to say i have NEVER and i literally mean never, seen someone online or offline who manages to come off as so unlikeable so fucking fast to the point where i would consider it to be a talent

nobody could be this unlikeable, even if they actively tried to, i would use him as a torture method

>>713640360
That's not blackmail. It's just plain lying. Gaslighting, deflection, and plain lies. He totally didn't delete the video, it never existed and tries to prove this by explaining something irrelevant.

>>713622261
>>over half an hour dedicated to calling the guy and industry plant to try and get any momentum back
>try
https://stopkillinggames.neocities.org/
50k votes overnight
hopefully they can continue the hype and get to the finish line before voice-box-guy has the movement shut down

Corporations should do more work for less pay and profits

>>713640312
Nobody is asking for that. What people are asking for is:

A) If you game is a singleplayer game that for reason requires server access you patch that out before you shut the game down.

B) If your game is multiplayer you provide the community with the tools they need to host their own servers if they want to.

That's literally it.

>>713640439
>normal people put their personal info on your petition
Whatever he's talking about aside, you seem to misunderstand that real petitions need real signatures from actual people and not "XxX_NaRuToGoD_XxX" and "Jim Jenkins (Died 1892)"

>>713639926
no Asmon is not an industry plant, he is just a fucking moron who is easily swayed to taking the most dogshit positions which makes him a very useful moron for people that can sway him

>>713640605
Why do you bootlickers gaslight so much?

>>713638571
That bald fraud will most likely watch Ross response video today or tomorrow and he will probably react in the same way as he did watching the ferret fucker video.
He's a subhuman yes man, the epitome of a react streamer that ads to value at all to reviewing content.

>>713638554
Is this why tendies are like zealots?

>>713640275
Ross should stop trying to talk to him, the guy (Piratesoftware) has already proven he's acting in bad faith, Ross gains nothing by talking to him now.

>>713640440
>bro just release your proprietary source and all the source on all the middleware you don't own
You're exactly as knowledgeable as Ross!

>>713640727
>If your game is multiplayer you provide the community with the tools they need to host their own servers if they want to.
Community wouldn't even need that. They'd do it themselves easily. Just don't shut it down.

>>713640749
i do like that takes that are pretty much common sense for normal people get 2.3m views per video

>>713640312
>The same five songs

>>713636475
Holy shit, he is STILL saying the same "guyz, SKG forces devs to support MMO servers forever", his entire wall of text is drilling the same fucking MMO example over and over again, even though it's completly wrong and he just made this up.

>>713640727
if security holes are discovered years after shutdown who is responsible?
cause the devs already walked away from it

>>713639242
I haven't heard about it. Which devs and studios?

>>713638372
nah, only hope is for eu to implement this and have it forced through trickle down like forcing apple to go USB-C

>>713640275
Who's lying here?

>>713640871
Asmon basically never has takes that are common sense, he has takes you pretend are common sense.

>>713640727
No one gives a fuck about A, no one has ever been against preventing phone-home DRM from staying on after end-of-service and if the petition had just been about that it would have passed with flying colors.

B is an enormous can of worms and the fact that you and Ross and all these retards ITT don't get that is remarkable.

>>713619262
tpbp

>>713640825
Ya that's the main thing here, if it's already possible for people to set up servers online or even just to LAN's then they are already in the clear for what this thing is trying to set up.
Hell the Warhammer MMO is defunct outside the private servers

>>713640806
This but unironically, open source is the way

KWABWNBAM

>>713640806
imagine being this much of a dense nigger
if they don't want to release their shitty code then they'll have to either keep supporting the game or be upfront and honest that the game and your access to it can be terminated at any time

they advertise their games as "buy it and you own it!" when in fact is "buy it and you will own it as long as we say you will"

>>713640913
Obviously the fucking devs/publisher can't be held liable at that stage, that'd be stupid.
Though, you're right that you just fucking know mentally retarded normalfags would expect that.

>>713640958
>B is an enormous can of worms
That's how every game used to work. What happened? Did we lose the technology?

>>713640776
>everything else failed so far
>tries consolewarring

>>713640892
They're truly are the hot dog taco hamburger of sophists

>>713640951
Sounds like you're a seething troon

>>713640804
if he does then pirate is just gonna run and kill the momentum again like last time, Ross may hate it but he seriously just needs to fight him by calling him out on it so the leeches (streamers and drama youtubers) will pick it up and give Ross more exposure it's sadly how the youtube echo system works now

>>713619262
tpbp

>>713640806
>you can't do it for [reasons]
Sounds like a skill issue to me and thus not my problem. It hasn't stopped developers from releasing the source code or dedicated server tools in the past, it wouldn't stop them now.
But again, you know this. You and that dicklicker you parrot just love playing dumb.

>>713640951
Such as?

>>713641083
Answer the question then cause someone is responsible.
The users?

>>713640958
>B is an enormous can of worms
Literally not my problem.

>>713641037
>bro if you don't want to release proprietary code that you own for free just pay for support in perpetuity
retard
>be upfront that the game and access to it can be terminated at any time
THIS IS ALREADY THE CASE.
WHAT YOU WANT IS ALREADY HOW EVERYTHING WORKS.

>>713640440
Cause lying out of their ass is all they have. It shows that even they know that Ross is objectively right in every regard.
So either trolls chasing the (you) high or shills who campaign between game releases for whoever employed them.

>>713641083
Retarded normalfags are the only ones pushing for this, it makes no sense

>>713619262

It's +45.000 signatures now.

>>713641102
Palworld getting sued by Nintendo is legitimate reason to dislike Nintendo

>>713639681
>WoW, emulators
Honestly running a private wow server with couple of your buddies sounds super fun.

>>713640804
Well, no. The drama is what drive the attention. More attention to it the better.

>>713640940
Pirate, he's actually making a case for Ross here because of his contrarianism.

>You didn't put out all of my footage, you misrepresented me
>Well, that's because the footage isn't there, it's deleted.
>I DIDN'T DELETE THAT FOOTAGE I DIDN'T I DIDN*T

Meaning that Ross was entirely correct in omitting it according to Pirate, so why would he complain about Ross not having content that he knows is deleted? Because he's a dumb fucking bitch that can only think of the first line of denial.

>>713641228
It's actually pretty nuts we went from 47 to 51% in one day.

>>713641095
>why didn't software architecture stop evolving in 2004?
You're retarded.
>>713641118
>Can't
Won't. Fuck you, my code is mine. You're asking daddy government to force me to expose my code that I have a copyright on because you want to play Ubislop. Fuck off.

I don't even understand why people can say "i don't support this because it wouldn't work!".
It's not as though if it reached 1 million that it would be implemented as-is. It just makes the initiative valid and something the EU has to take up to discussion. The EU would then launch an investigation into whether the initiative has merit and after that HOW it should be implemented. It's not as if the people behind SKG gets to decide the actual hard rules.

>>713636528
>this can hurt MOBAS
An absolutely false statement, Vainglory literally did it.

>>713640312
>baiting retard makes the exact same ritual post episode #32303209
I hope you kill yourself sooner than later.
>>713640275
>>713640381
I think this is what I don't get the most, Ross seems almost completely oblivious to this duplicitous piece of shit despite how much he claims to see through other transparent bullshit. He's either taken that one specific page from Sun Tzu's Art of War to heart; truly just letting this pathetic simpleton make things as bad for himself as possible, or he's giving the most generous inch I've ever seen.

>>713641194
>THIS IS ALREADY THE CASE.
nta but nope, nowhere did they ever advertise that something like The Crew was gonna expire, it was sold and marketed as a regular game.

>>713641290
Ok, then go ahead and explain why it's literally impossible nowadays. Be more specific than "it's just different".

>>713641118
>is provided an extremely basic reason why you can't just dump source code onto the internet
>"don't care give me shit for free"
sure, Tyrone

>>713641291
>we need to implement the regulations before we know what they are
wow what an amazing plan

>>713641326
You're just wrong and stupid

>>713640016
KEK

>>713641194
>THIS IS ALREADY THE CASE.
>WHAT YOU WANT IS ALREADY HOW EVERYTHING WORKS.
imagine living in a world where "I TOLD THEM I WAS GOING TO STEAL THEIR MONEY" is considered a valid defense

they don't tell you that at the store with the juicy "BUY" button, it's conveniently behind several pages or appears after you have "bought" the game.

>>713641290
Don't put a killswitch on your game and we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. Again, it's not my problem if you get fucked over. I'm the consumer.
>>713641356
If EA can do it, you have no excuse. So yeah it's not my problem.

>>713641378
Okay Thor go back to wrecking what little crediblity you got left on twitter.

>>713641274
Moist may be an ex-WoW 'dev' but he's going the way of Bungie with their Destiny 2 lawsuit

>>713640749
He might not be an industry plant but he will toe the line if his handlers tell him to
i.e. he's free to have his opinions until those opinions interfere with what they're trying to do

https://en.rattibha.com/thread/1644571090016976901

>>713641115
Agreed, Piratesoftware will just lie and obfuscate the points, try to muddy the water to make the Initiative seem to be something it's not which is what he did before.
He can't stand to be proven wrong so he's in complete bunker mode trying to shut down anyone going against the retarded narrative he spun.
Someone close to Ross needs to tell him to STOP TALKING TO PIRATESOFTWARE. Pirate will twist his words and is trying to make it out that Ross lied or 'misinterrupted' what Pirate meant, but it's all on camera what he exactly said and he said "nah fuck that, the initiative is ass, now I'm against it in fact I'm going to tell people to avoid it and go against it". There's no point absolutely no point talking to that guy now other than to split focus.

>muh third party licensing hand holding devs
You guys have no fucking idea about development or markets in general and it shows, regulation will simply make those providers adapt so that they align with the law, in fact it would probably bolster the whole industry as a whole since new providers would spawn that are in compliance with the demands, creating more competition in the space and selection for the developers of future games.

There is literally no fucking way that those providers will pull out of the EU market if the initiative were to be implemented, for the simple fact that the EU is a massive fucking market, and nobody already in it wants to lose the sweet fucking revenue from it.

>>713641336
>It's not that I can't release my code, it's that I don't want to. It's my code. Eat shit.
>"OK EXPLAIN WHY YOU CAN'T DO IT"
god damn you kids are fucking stupid

>>713641398
>I just want companies to be honest that an online-requirement game can go down at any time
>NO NOT LIKE THAT

We can't do that. Think about Blizzard. If a law like this passed they couldn't have shut down Nostalrius and WoW Classic wouldn't have been as successful.

>everyone that disagrees with me is an industry plant controlled by a shadowy cabal
Are there any non schizo arguments for why I should sign this?

>>713641143
You're responsible for what you install in your computer, anon.
The initiative was meant to preserve single player games mostly.
It's up to the user to acknowledge that MAYBE an unmantained multiplayer 25 years old game might have some security hole in its code.

>>713641358
can you not read? that's the opposite of what i wrote.

>>713641290
>mimimi I'm the victim
No you're not, all it is asking is to put the correct label on the product when it is sold and to not brick the game when the company is done with it.
You are simply being a huge cock sucking retarded faggot and it's ok.
You'll die of aids or kill yourself eventualy creating a nice little tree in hell

>>713641505
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
exactly, not like that

i want to see how much they fucking sell when they have to be upfront about games not working offline or you not really "owning" the game and just buying permission to play it

>>713641571
literally no downsides to consumers
the worst thing that can happen is that things remain the same

>>713633978
All he does is crash out. He’s flailing like a fucking retard and crumbles at the mention of dire maul

>>713641505
Nobody is forcing you to do that, you'd just have to warn people that they're renting the game. What's the problem?

>>713641571
>we can totally believe that the government is doing shady shit and that they meddle in elections, fuck over people, etc.
>What? This streamer might have a conflict of interest that makes them oppose this? YOU'RE JUST PARANOID, SCHIZO!

>>713640735
jenkinsbros, have we been rumbled?

>>713640459
This is totally true to his narcissistic character. He can NEVER back out. He can NEVER admit he was wrong.

>>713619262
tsmt

>>713641232
Stop being retarded. You trying to single out one dev when they're all guilty of shady shit shows that you don't give a shit about the issue and just want to drag it down to consolewarring.

>>713641732
I'm about to rumble, tumble, AND grumble(cake)

>>713641642
Misrepresenting the issue and lie about it is all they have left.

>>713641228
>went to check
>its real
Yo what the fuck is happening bros?

>>713633112
I should do that too

>>713641709
>>we can totally believe that the government is doing shady shit and that they meddle in elections, fuck over people, etc.
Yes, this is demonstrably true and you want to give them even more power
>>What? This streamer might have a conflict of interest that makes them oppose this? YOU'RE JUST PARANOID, SCHIZO!
Also yes, you are accusing everyone that disagrees with you of this with zero proof

>>713641652
>Devs should release their source!
>"No. Fuck off, it's theirs/mine."
>BRO ALL WE WANT IS NO PHONE HOME DRM NOT FOR THEM TO RELEASE SOURCE
If you had a leg to stand on you wouldn't be flip flopping so hard.
You know that, which is why you're so angry. No one likes realizing how fucking stupid they're being. But good news: you're posting anonymously. You don't need to stand ground.

Is it true that he was part of a guild called "OnlyFags"? LOL....LMAO even.

>>713641571
you won't have games just deleted and be unplayable since devs is gonna have to make them functional when they decide to kill the servers, this means for example giving you the tools to run a server for Marvel Rivals when they decide to pull the plug so you can at least play it still.
Genuinely this is one of the most important pro consumer movements for gaming and signing it takes no effort and then you can tell your grankids you're the reason they can play OW2 and see just how bad it was decades after the servers went down.

>>713641784
>they're all guilty of shady shit
Like what? Switch 2 is the first nintendo console with actual backwards compatibility, both Sony and Microsoft has had that feature for far, far, far longer time than Nintendo consoles.

>>713633112
I should do that as well

>>713641143
Yes, you mong. It's your fucking PC, you installed the out of service MMO/FPS/Whatever game that's being ran on a private server. Your responsible
>>713641212
No normalfag cares about this.

>not being the better person and giving into the drama was the right move all along
what do we learn from this? what does Ross learn from this?

>>713641642
>sign this petition to implement regulations!
>>what are the regulations?
>nobody knows yet
ok

>>713641909
Thor literally has a vested interest in a GAAS company dumbass-kun.
If you ask who would benefit from this, you'll have your answer. But you already know this, you just can't argue in good faith to save your life.

>>713638962
Are you accusing him of being israel?

>>713641734
true but it's so incredible that he is still doing this, he cannot stop as what little thats left of his reputation crumbles around him.

>>713641931
if you don't want to release it then don't sell it. problem solved

>>713641971
>no no no no MY company is so much better
lol
lmao even

As someone who's been playing videogames for the last 35 games, I don't actually give a shit about old-ass obscure games being unplayable.
If it was anything worth your time and attention some slavs would make a janky mod or server to play it.

>>713642040
All I know is that fucks with GaaS and huge corporations are heavily against it. It's enough to make me sign. Hell, I'd sign twice if I had the occasion.

>>713641325
Ross is an autist and sincere to a fault.
Someone being duplicitous for no good reason is pure alien logic to his brain. An egotistical pathological liar like this guy is his antithesis.

>>713642014
that the internet sadly rewards drama mongering instead of actual good faith arguements.

>>713642040
What do you expect of bootlickers?

>>713642014
nothing
the initiative could've died even faster if Piratesoftware never opened his dumb mouth

Ross did everything right, the only lesson to be learned here would be for Thor to get some reading comprehension or just shut the fuck up, which i doubt he'll do

>>713640275

>>713640337
You’re surrounded by retards who latch to the most contrarian thing they can find as “based” and larp as demoralization agents all day.

>>713636528
Him having a full-on melty in the comments is comedy gold.
https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1937966802048585950

>>713642107
>If you don't want your source released and therefore made impossible to profit off of just don't try to profit, problem solved!

>>713640958
>No one gives a fuck about A, no one has ever been against preventing phone-home DRM from staying on after end-of-service
Of course not, what the fuck are you talking about. This is quite literally The Crew example, which was essentially a single player game that required online access and Ubi killed it. Funnily enough it DID have offline mode. It couldn'tve been easier.

>>713642107
>companies should stop selling games
Why are leftoids like this?

>>713642157
>and sincere to a fault.
It's kinda sad sincere people are punished to just being sincere.

>>713639870
Didn't want zoomers to destroy your games? Shouldn't have destroyed their countries with mass migration and politician boot licking you stupid boomer.

>>713642250
read the post being replied to and finish reading the post BEFORE replying to it.

>>713642230
yes. if you want to sell someone a product then you can't take it back whenever you feel like it without giving them a refund.

>>713642125
I asked you a question anon, why not provide answer?

>>713642040
>>>what are the regulations?
Requiring publishers to comply with existing law and state that you own nothing.

>>713642341
did you miss?
that has literally nothing to do with the post you're linking

>>713641236
You can even play it solo with bots to populate the server and run dungeons with.

>>713640727
>so you want devs to indefinitely support failed games?

>>713636528
His name is Jason, not Thor

>>713642398
They already do this.

>>713641931
>devs should release the source codes don't you see, IT'LL DRIVE ME TO SUICIDE
Kek and that's a good thing.
Put the correct label on the product and don't brick the game you SOLD to the customer.

>>713641194
>upfront
it ain't, it's stuffed in the eula lol

>>713640727
>>713642461
Kek

>>713642343
>NOOO PLEASE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER MY BAD FAITH QUESTION

>>713642461
worst part is that he would ask that even if you explained it to his face

>>713642014
the world is a terrible place
I just want this guy to go back to regular videos again

>>713642040
(You)

>>713642157
Someone really needs to inform him just how wasted his hospitality truly is.
>>713642276
those with ulterior motives even irrational ones will seek to exploit, manipulate and abuse those with genuine hearts
sometimes it's done accidentally, but not here

>>713641909
>Yes, this is demonstrably true and you want to give them even more power
You really think this initiative is gonna let the government start assfucking companies in some sort of commie hellhole way? Are you fucking retarded?

>>713642461
lmao what are those trex arms
is he vegan too

>>713642521
>>713642461 here and it infuriates me that repeating this line over and over was that nigger's entire strategy AND IT FUCKING WORKED. I do not consider myself especially smart, I've been swayed before by holy shit, people, have SOME standards.

>>713642040
>sign this petition to have EU look at potential regulations
>>what are the regulations?
>we don't know yet, because the petition hasn't reached a million
ftfy, sony shill

>>713641571
I mean it’s basic property rights. Do you think you should own something you buy? And I don’t mean you own the IP itself — like if I bought a Star Wars game therefore I own all of Star Wars. I mean do you believe your copy of the game you bought should belong to you?
Or should the seller be able to revoke your ownership irregardless of how much/how little they convey it or even if it’s arguably illegal to do it.
Part of the point is to establish the actual legality of these practices. Even people who are against it have reason to sign it if but to codify that is in fact completely legal.

>>713640918
Oddly enough the best example came from PirateSoftware during the first SKG drama happened, he didn’t name it but he essentially alluded to SKG and asked a CEO of publishing company of about 30+ games (Hooded Horse) if they’d ever considering doing a end of life support like that and the guy went “Oh yeah for sure we want our games to be played forever” and that massive dickhead Jason immediately heelturned on himself and went “oh you’re one of us!” before immediately ending the interview

>>713641528
Think about all the games with always online singleplayer that Blizzard is currently selling.
>Diablo 2 remake
>Diablo 3
They will have to make sure that they provide people with a way to make their own server if this passes. Also i wonder what happens with all Denuvo games which need Denuvo to phone back with an internet connection. Always online DRM will get hit if this European Citizens Initiative passes that's for sure. You can bet your ass that Denuvo, Blizzard, EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc. are all against this.

>>713642461
he looks like he is going to troon out tomorrow
who the fuck told him that long hair looks good on him

>>713640439
I dunno man, I wouldn't say it's so obviously false when we are talking about a guy who dressed up as a ferret on second life to have e-sex - that one's a fact, which makes it odd he has a whole shitload of them at his place.

>>713642718
no one does their own research, Ross even says the website is as navigable and legible as can be for the average interested person and it's STILL too much work for them to read a couple pages worth of text and get told how to sign

>>713642497
>software developers need to be able to protect proprietary code because that's the only way for software to be profitable and software devs can't survive on air
>FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
yeah that's about right for this group

>>713642130
>As someone who's been playing videogames for the last 35 games
you only started playing video games an hour ago and you're already one of the lads talking shit on the internet. based

>>713642718
>but*
too angry to type, sorry. If it was PirateMySoftware's trolling strategy, it succeeded.
>>713642606
That's literally what happened, that's the worst part.

>>713642461
Unironically YES.

If you went OUT OF YOUR WAY and SPENT MORE MONEY to make your software depend on constant access to a central server, you should suffer the consequences. Making software that is self-contained and therefore does not need a central server is the DEFAULT STATE and CHEAPER to develop.

You made your bed now lie in it.

>>713640918
He mentioned them in his last video, and added that more indie developers that weren't mentioned gave him a shoutout as well. iirc he also mentioned Tiny Build at the start of the campaign.

Doesn't Steam cover the server stuff for most of the games on the platform anyway? That's most of what the 30% they charge companies goes too.

>Ross shitting on Reddit for SKG discussion being constantly deleted
based, fuck reddit

>piratesoftware doing everything in his power to defend his Industry slop might just be the downfall of service games
Amazing

>SKG: games that are sold as a product should have an end of life plan if they rely on live service to function, so that the players can retain the "PRODUCT" that was sold to them when the devs stop supporting it
>Piratesoftware: OH so you want devs to support this dead game forever?
an entire fucking year of this
some people just need to be killed in a home invasion, man.

>>713638405
>Asmongold
dudes name is literally an anagram of mason
>asmongold
>masongold
Between that, him working for the irs before streaming, his friends going to prison when he didn't and his general psychopathy where he admits not having emotions and thinking its funny to ninja gear and torment people in wow, I don't know how people don't see him for what he is.

>>713641931
>devs will have to release their source codes, don t you see THAT'LL KILL ME!
Kek and that's a good thing.
Label correctly the thing you sell and don't brick the thing you sell to your customer.
N
you must be absolute dog shit at what you're doing if it bother you this much

based furfag mageGOD buttpirate won by doing nothing, again

>>713643027
it turns out websites with moderation don't want endless spam from discord groups shitting everything up

>>713643070
best timeline indeed
if he kept his fucking mouth shut the initiative would've died

another win for hubris

>>713643027
unlike ./b/, reddit has never been good
the more they suffer, the better

>>713638372

>>713626165
nobody cares about the fag. americans cannot sign a european PARLIAMENTARY petition therefor, for once, are inconsequential.
then you have all the fucking europedos that do not care about gaming itself outside of Fifa and Playstation faggotry.
so either way it was an uphill battle

>>713643082
>games that are sold as a product
stopped reading there
just because you keep dishonestly repeating this doesn't mean that it's true

>>713643104
lol pussy is afraid of the concept of suicide
I already replied to you here: >>713642864

Don't backpedal you crybaby bitch

>>713641336
>it's literally impossible nowadays
oh please think of the SHAREHOLDERS

>>713640275
Why is everything from this guy so indignant? It’s not even just this, even small stuff comes across as HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY PERFECT LOGIC AND METHODS?

>>713643128
how many threads on reddit criticizing trump without anything of impor in them are on Reddit right now?

shittiest excuse

>>713642461
If the law gives them exclusive rights to benefit from said games (even if they actually don't because they stop selling them) and piracy isn't legal then yes, it should also place some requirements on developers that would benefit the customer

>>713643092
I haven't play WoW in over a decade and i still seethe at that time in Firelands where everyone need rolled in a GUILD RUN for the BoE crossbow that was a pure DPS upgrade for my Hunter. I was also pissed at the resto druid needing for the Stat stick staff Staghelm dropped which was another pure DPS upgrade

>>713643171
we cant expect God to do all the work

>>713643106
>doing nothing
he is sperging out on X RIGHT NOW

>>713618020 (OP)
Fifteen years ago this would've worked. Unfortunately MAGAtards rapidly accelerated us into late stage capitalism. You will own nothing. You will be happy. Your subscription for lung functionality has been denied have a good day.

>>713641143
Holy shit you're retarded brother, of course the user himself would be responsible, do you realize that there is so much software you can literally download right now and install that have unpatched vulnerabilities in them?
Devs and or Publishers no longer support them and won't be held accountable for it, want me to name some and their vulnerabilities?

Here you go retard:
Office 2003-2007 - macro and OLE exploits
Adobe Flash Player - RCE and memory injections
IIS 6 - WebDAV exploits
Java 6 - Sandbox escapes and serialization issues
OpenSSL 1.0 - Heartbleed
Samba 3 - RCE exploits and usage of vulnerable SMBv1
QuickTime - Fuckload of them, one being buffer overflows for remote code execution

MANY MANY MORE, go ahead and install them, you won't get fucked in the ass, most likely never will, but they're exploits where the accountabilities lies entirely on you if you use it and get unlucky enough to get fucked.

>>713642295
Holy /pol/cel, Batman!

>>713643247
You don't even have to do shit until the product is already no longer profitable for its company ... again ... how dogshit are you at your job if this bother you

Everyone thinks you're a faggot Jacob

>>713643021
Generally, yes. But many GaaS games try to have their own client separate from Steam so the downloads, which would account for most of the bandwidth involved in supporting a game, ends up still being handled by the publisher in those cases.

>>713643313
Based offset prio resto druid mogging niggerhunter.

>>713643472
>You don't even have to do shit until the product is already no longer profitable for its company
The dunning-kruger effect is strong with this one

>>713643021
Gabe will die one day and it will be unironically the death of gaming

>>713643386
>late stage capitalism
lol this really is Reddit: The Petition

>>713643384
you're the one sperging out over xis gay social media posts itt. another 'rat dub

>>713643226
I see there's no irony center in your dipshit brain

>>713643564
his offset was tank, and i was generally #3 or 4 on DPS!

>consumer rights bad!

>>713643027
Reddit is full of industry plants and trannies. Shocker.

>>713643673
Bet he switched to bearform on shannox because your pet didn't tank the dogs.

>>713643583
Gaben always talked about having some solution ready for when he steps down to make sure that all the games you bought will still be available to you no matter what happens with Valve in the future.
I wonder what it will be.

>>713643581
Yeahhh you really convinced me this would victimise you and destroy the industry of gaming ...
You need to lose your job yesterday

Every time I hear pirate speak I just assume he is gaslighting or flat out lying, funny thing is it seems to work for him.

>>713638483
Indeed. I am pretty sure that Nintendo cannot brick EU Switch consoles for legal reasons, but only ban the online account, so another win for the EU chads.

Jesus, this planet would be lost without EU, it even managed to force the USB-C as a standard.

Who won?

>>713643591
Retarded Amerilard, this is not a petition. This is a European Citizens Initiative that might end up affecting all gamers and making gaming better for everyone.

>>713643737
....
It was still a pure dps upgrade

>>713643783
>blink twice
umm based?

>>713643749
>Killswitch activates
>You have only 1 week to download everything important to you before everything shuts down
>Mass panic ensues
Would be pretty funny ngl.

>>713643267
He's a textbook narcissist

>>713643750
>you didn't convince me, a complete dipshit!
If feeding the world relied on convincing you that 1+1=2 we'd all starve.

>>713643267
He's actually fucked in the head - that's literally it. He was told he was oh so smart as a kid and it gave him a complex. That kind of shit was only bolstered by his nepo hiring at Blizzard, even though he was stuck in QA the whole time. It shows too, his first job setting out on his own didn't even last a year, and then he decided to do his Kickstarter that has gone nowhere for eight years. He finally is starting to get deserved pushback but it's too late for him to unfuck himself, he was an egotistical and spiteful little nerd faggot his whole life, and now it's finally time to pay the Piper.

>>713643840
I'm pretty sure i did have roar on though.

>>713643840
Knew it. That druid was the guild's carry, they handed him the loot so he could carry their sorry asses and 1v11 fl.

>>713643810
we

>>713643810
At this point piratesoftware can only save face by livestreaming seppuku.

>>713643890
>didn't have anything to say but replyed anyway
Thanks for backing me up and agreeing with me buddy

>>713643657
Type in English next time, trog.

>>713643810
Ross and he barely said anything, that retard Jason is trying so desperately to seem like the victim he can’t even see the hole hes in, making up excuses so shit hes getting called out by his own fans now

>>713642791
Do you believe if you buy a house the previous owner should maintain it for you forever even in case of earthquake?

>>713638141
They have no balls. They cannot do it unless there are a lot of people against him.

>>713643981
Nah it was just Shannox that i fucking hated, all the other bosses were face roll easy for the guild, fucking ragnaros was easier than that bitch

>>713643810
does piratesoftware have a humiliation fetish or why is he embarrassing himself like this for everyone to see on the Internet?

>>713644113
>xitter newfag can't into words on his screen
pirate can't stop winning

>>713643810
Ross, of course. Pirate will still refuse to talk to him and instead spam PLS WATCH MY VIDEO PLS MY VIDEO WATCH MY VIDEO despite Ross being calm, levelheaded and even charitable towards him

also pirate is a narcissist faggot who refuses to ever admit any wrongdoing ever

>>713644168
never being punched in the face for being a dickhead or being told you are wrong has disasterous consequences for a man

>>713644168
>Narcissistic individuals rarely admit to being wrong, as it threatens their fragile sense of self and the need for external validation. They often use psychological defense mechanisms to avoid taking responsibility for their actions, such as denial, projection, and blame-shifting.

>>713643810
holy wall of seethe

For all those wishing to educate yourself on Pirate's lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8YGiWvtMI

>>713644168
Last time he tried to play it off as being a master manipulator so he’ll probably do that again, god knows the cunt can’t use his brain

>>713644212
Wow you didn't just type a bunch of buzzwords for once, maybe I can train you after all you fucking dog

>>713643810
Ross by far, because he has truth on his side.
He's also a pretty chill dude naturally whereas Pirate is a lying weasel.

Ross vs Pirate
Stubborn Retard Mossman vs Narcissist Tool Babyfur

Whoever wins, we lose

>>713638372
Ross looked into it with some lawyers, and apparently we are only slightly better than cattle when it comes to rights for this.

>>713643810
Version with the VoD image just for completion's sake.

>>713635670
Always remember the based countries

>>713618020 (OP)
Good, it was a stupid movement anyways. Anyone who begs governments to implement more rules deserves to be mocked.

>>713644140
Do you believe the previous owner has the right to destroy your house for no reason at any time they want?

>>713644318
I'm not giving your shitty channel views

>blinks twice
Did you see my mana?

>>713644168
if he admits he was wrong after all the effort he's put into not looking like he's wrong, his psyche will literally shatter and he'll fall into madness

>>713639870
I'm not pro any of those, I'm anti-government. Anything government implements turns out to be a shitshow for everyone involved.

>>713643092
>asmongold
>salmongolde
>salomon gold
>schlomo gold
>salami lord
>asallami god (allah)
>ass mongol
>mason lodge
>asmon golde
>simon wiesenthal

>>713644461
Gonna be real fucking annoying when he takes credit for SKG passing in a few years if what Ross wants to happen actually happens.

>>713644340
>still having a melty over fagtree
clitty status? leaking

>>713643810
How in the fuck does Jason have a huge audience?

>pirate has a spergout and types out essays on twitter
>ross replies with only like 1 paragraph max each time

kek

>>713644584
What about regulations that keep food safe?

>>713639953
>he would never support this commie gobbledygook
and I will not support your broken russian commie scam products that fall apart once taken out the store and I will make sure it won't be sold on my territory so low IQ people either won't fall pray to this russian scammery

>>713643810
WHO'S NEXT?

>Hey man, if you want to talk this out, my contact info is here, we can talk about it like adults on a more clear and open platform
>*walls of sperg text*
What a fucking ass lmao

>>713644653
they bought his lies wholesale

>>713644439
Yes.

>>713644809
i'm pretty sure he is fucking terrified of being on a livestream with someone he can't instantly ban

>>713644615
The Moistcritikal video that defends Ross and shits on PirateSoftware has over 2million views.
People know by now who was in the right and wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sJpTCitKqw

>>713643810
>>713644738
YOU DECIDE!

>>713644658
>Ferret fucker writes walls of text to defend and make up shit
>Moldman; Yeah that’s not true
>6 more walls
>Yeah nah
>20 more walls
>we can have a proper discussion if you want
>30 more walls

>>713618020 (OP)
I checked some hours ago, and it was 47%. I checked again and it's 51%.
I am starting to believe.

>>713638405
>>713638757
>someordinarypajeet and happawithahard0n losing again
it's like clockwork

>>713644952
how much time do they have left?

>>713644952
It is almost midnight now; it will slow down until tomorrow. But we would likely need another big creators hop on the train too specialy european ones. Pewd would likely be gamechanger.

>>713644437
How boots taste like, you corporatenigger.
A corporation stronger than the government is a dystopia.

>>713644638
nope nevermind back to buzzwords, guess you're getting euthanized

>>713636528
world's biggest faggot, pedo, and animal abuser.

>>713643810
How does Pirate think this makes him look good? I am so sick and tired of these types of people that will argue relentlessly that they are right instead of taking up the offer and have an open discussion. Ross would totally be the type of person to listen to people and maybe take shit on board, the interviews I've seen about SKG proves just as much.
What is Pirate afraid of, being proven wrong? Nigga, people are wrong all the god damn time.

>>713629668
jewish

>>713644140
No. And I don’t think your example quite works. If you purchase a house, you generally receive the property/deed/etc. this includes the responsibilities to maintain the property because by all legal accounts it IS yours. Ownership has been transferred.
To tie it back into gaming — if the game is being sold to an individual, the individual should have access to it as he becomes the owner of his copy of the game. And any features that were advertised as part of said sale should be readily available — to an extent.
A better example would be if a house was sold and the previous owner somehow activated a kill switch to prevent the home from ever having earthquake insurance ever again. The new owner is responsible for insuring his home, but the resources to do so are available. This may require additional costs, but there is a clear path available if he wants to maintain his insurance.
Video games that rely on central servers generally make the whole of the game unavailable and do not provide any route to restoring it to a playable state.

>>713643810
>>713644940
I bet Pirate's thinking:
>"NOOOO! THAT ASSHOLE OFFERED TO CONVERSE WITH ME PUBLICLY AGAIN! NOW I'LL LOOK LIKE A COWARD FOR REFUSING FOR THE SIXTH TIME IN A ROW! THAT SNAKE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING!"

>>713644881
charliebros we just cant stop winning

>>713635736
Because the moment you give power to a government they're never giving it up. The ESRB exists because they didn't want government bodies having age categories for games as it'd fuck up game development. This is the same situation.

>>713633112
My living parent signed

>>713645348
How is it any different from things like steam refunds?

>>713645086
Around 35 days. I made my parents sign today, so it's like I voted 3 times.
If everyone who has already voted does the same, we will win easily.

>>713645312
>this includes the responsibilities to maintain the property
Then why are you requiring the previous owner to do it? Just maintain it by yourself.

>>713643810
He really wants Ross to stop being so measured and take the bait, damn

>>713644653
judging by the amount of retarded shills in this thread, i can see how

>>713645424
I'm not against the concept of refunds, but steam refunds are a bad example. It forces devs to ensure a minimum playtime lest someone beat your game and then refund it.

>>713631147
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as.

>>713645348
>noooo forcing companie to put sit belts in cars is totalirianism
>noooo consumer rights is oppression
Faggot

>>713636036
I did my part. Hell i made some threads yesterday.

thread about to die

>>713640312
Didn't happen, but it should.

>>713645565
Do you think that steam refunds (exists only because of government regulations) should be removed?

the amount of retards in this thread shows me that i am right to pirate video games
there will always be retards willing to pay for me, very nice

>>713645683
just like SKG

>>713645640
You keep doing that.

In the long run, this will probably not achieve much. If a game is still popular and being played, it won't reach EoS. If a game reaches EoS, it means it either isn't worth playing anymore or was never worth playing to begin with. On principle, this movement is objectively a good thing. In practice, it kinda means nothing.

>>713640918
On the latest video, some of the devs at ubi that made the crew were showed support on the movement

>>713645348
What kind of power? Demanding that if people buy a product, it is expected it will work years later?

+47.000 signatures now

>>713645934
go back to twitter, jason

Even if nothing ultimately comes of this at least the lolcow freakout was funny

>>713645934
kek

>>713646039
>eceleb worshipper telling someone else to go back

>>713640312
If you were greed/stupid enough to set up a game to need constant support, YES.

Remember, these companies need to spend more money to convert games into always online live service. That's why only giant companies with millions in cash lying around make them.

I'm a solo gamedev who shipped a shit game that failed with less than 20 sales. But since I'm a tiny indie I couldn't afford to make the game into always online live service crap and just runs on its own, I'm not on the hook for anything because there's nothing to "support indefinitely."

>>713644140
No, but I also don't think the previous owner should have the right to suddenly rescind my ability to enter the house, nor should they be able to pursue me legally if I attempt to circumvent that.
I mean, I think it would be kind of ridiculous to be able for the owner to do that, don't you? I think you'd consider it even worse if they didn't make those terms incredibly clear from the get go either.

>>713646115
>company worshipper

>>713645537
You can't because the means to mantain it won't be made available in most situations and the owner won't give them even if they are just gathering dust in his garage

>>713646132
>I'm a failed game developer, let me tell you how to develop games

>>713645537
>Just maintain it by yourself.
That's the whole point, currently video game companies don't have to release the tools to maintain it yourself (private server software) and can even sue you if you try to reverse engineer and make it yourself

I just hate corporate jews, simple as.

>>713646215
More qualified than Pirate because I actually shipped

STOP BULLYING PIRATE HE'S SO COOL AND HANDSOME AND I HAVE A NICE VOICE

>>713646402
That's probably because in most cases, that would require them to make the game code and rights public domain, which isn't something they're willing to do.

>>713644370
Except that unlike cattle, people can use their brains. If the public didn't like games that did this then the change they desired would happen literally overnight. Not because of big daddy gubbermint, but because you voted with your wallet.

>>713646528
>people can use their brains
They can but they don't want to.

>>713646446
kek

>>713646524
>in most cases
no it wouldn't you colossal retard

>>713646524
You can release software without making it public domain. Self hosting server hosting software was the norm before the 2010s. I can see edge cases where there's licensed shit on their server software they can't release for free but that's much more of an edgecase