>best expansion since MoP is in your way
what do?

fuck off

>>713622569
Why have you been obsessively posting this in the past days?

>>713622709
Because you won't fuck off.

>>713622447 (OP)
it's fine. let's not get carried away now.
midnight, on the other hand, is set to be something really awesome.

>>713622569
How do her glasses stay on?

>>713622569
Uhhh WoWbros? You play this?

>>713622907
Just because of housing?

>>713622447 (OP)
wasn't mop considered to be even worse than catalysm?

>>713624527
Mop is considered to be modern wow's equivalent of wrath of the lich king. Extremely fun, but some cynical people will also argue it laid the foundations for anti-fun mechanics from later expansions (which War Within is now removing)

>>713622569
This is so weird, the cutscenes have been pretty decent since Dragonflight but this somehow got the green light. The whole thing feels slapped together at the last minute.

>>713624527
No
It was more controversial at first because lolpandas and probably lost more players for that reason, but those who played both generally consider mop to be better

>>713623442
I can't really talk, XIV has constant close ups on low texture quality models and hands making a fist that can't actually make a fist.

>>713624686
I've wanted Pandraen since BC before Draenei were revealed. They're so retarded it's funny. With the blind eye customization I can make Shang Tsung now too.

it still has the tranny dragons, furry races, black queens, faggot centuars, etc

>>713622709
Do you expect everyone to make their own version of this clip?

literally the worst expansion in the game
but I know you were just baiting so you don't get a (You)

>>713622447 (OP)
>best expansion since MoP
Is it behind this filler garbage?

>>713622447 (OP)
people still play this garbage?

>>713625180
Panda Derangement Syndrome. Warlords and everything after Legion are worse.

>>713622447 (OP)
>Story: shit
>Characters: shit
Honestly, if you want to play you have to come to terms that they're going to cuck all the cool characters. Just focus on the gameplay and having fun with friends

Give me one reason I shouldn't play MoP

>>713626990
Stop pretending you read quests

Legion was the last good expansion.

>>713622709
Probably because it's so hilariously bad. That 180 degree rotation makes me laugh every time this webm is posted.

>>713627270
It is bad but this game is not about story

>>713624527
sub wise it did really bad but it’s not worse than cata

>>713622447 (OP)
Just a reminder, that these threads are made by zoophile furfag attention whore
One of his typical threads he makes daily
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713434717/
When confronted, he talks instantly about FFXIV and WoW Classic being bad, pretends that's not him but his style and how he uses exact same lines betrays him every single time. According to other anons, he derails and starts flamewars in FF, bethesda generals and Diablo threads
As seen in this post https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713523176/#713523498 It's his WoW fursona he uses to bump wow threads. He's not interested in any legit discussion, deflecting any counter-arguments with basic strawman and goalposting as seen from here https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713434717/#713443978 in previously mentioned archived thread
He's still butthurt from pic related happening, where he got kicked out of dungeon for being a furry. This is the thread with source of his fursona posts and how buttblasted he was because of someone who was kicking furfags out of his dungeon groups https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/679577995/#679602603
He uses his fursona several times to bump his threads, just examples
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/4mV2Kf9WSXHqEli59URuMQ/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/NjvX6FO93SmiVaS_WM0yGg/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/qMYej1NGOLHFF_isQD4jvw/
This is an example of the recent thread when he's avatarposting with his fursona
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713092210/#713092210
As mentioned by other anons, he's also using specific wording and spamming(like content cadence) AI-slop feet fetsish images of one of retail wow npc https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/O2sNbl6Ah0GnR7OmhNpPfg/
Remember, use proper tools to avoid giving him attention. He's known zoophile/zoosadist that even /wowg/ full of diaperfags and other furfags, despises and don't want to have anything to do with him
Avoid giving him attentionsince he'll derail thread even with honest discussion about the game(rare)

>>713628514
You realize you have been spamming this at threads that don't have the "zoophile OC", and that clearly have completely different writing styles? You're just spamming every WoW thread that shows up.

Don't cry when the mods bitchslap you and you're like "NOOO WHY DON'T THEY TARGET THE ZOOPHILE THAT MY SCHIZO MIND MADE UP"

>>713622447 (OP)
When you apply to shill on this board is there some part of the contract that stipulates you have to use the same image for your OP every time? It would explain a lot.

>>>>713628657
Foxxo, it's second time this pasta is posted, you could easily use the archive to check this
but well, you're already going into damage control mode, since other wow threads yesterday and 2-3 days ago didn't get this pasta

>>713628838
Great, another schizo.

REMINDER that LAUGHING COFFINS owns Moonguard and Goldshire
DEADMAN WONDERLAND AND PARENTAL ADVISORY WILL NEVER BE A REAL GUILD
LC WON

>>713629693
ahh mental illness right from the source

>>713629968
LC WON
COPE STONEBLOOD
https://youtu.be/1ql1ze2R9Tk?si=-9rgm5-3QWeLByNS

>>713622569
so what happend to microsoft money?

>>713628514
based
good job outing the deranged, shit-eating furtroons that make this game their home now

>>713627106
I did through my first playthrough at the start of the expansion, but it was so gay I stopped. Especially after Anduin had to have a therapy session with Faerin "Checkboxes" Lothar

>>713628657
You realize that you're easy to read when you instantly respond with denial?
also don't worry, It's also clearly visible how you specifically changed downloaded img from /v/ to avoid getting detected via archive hash search despite the original still being trackable
but i wont tell you how so anon outing zoos like you will have easier work

>>713631102
Retarded newfag, I know how to use the archive better than you know how to use your smartphone.

I am not the zootard. He hijacks some of my WoW threads but I am not him.

>>713622569
This looks like a WoW Fan Machinima made 15 years ago.

>>713624686
>lolpandas
I remember before MoP was announced everyone wanted Pandaren in WoW, like they were just behind high elves, naga, and ogres. Cool chinese kung-fu WC3 race. Then MoP was revealed and everyone did a complete 180 and suddenly pandas were lame and gay. I didn't understand then and I don't understand now where the hate came from all of a sudden like that. After the unprecedented shitshow that was Cata I thought MoP looked like a return to form. I quit before it release though.

>>713634489

what's with all the targeted TWW shilling recently? no one seriously believes this expansion is good, right?

>>713622569
how the fuck did they never top wrathgate? truly every drop of talent left that studio long ago.

ah but let me guess, the NINTH expac after wrath will be THE ONE FOR REALSIES this time right? absolutely mindbroken audience.

>>713634830
wrathgate doesn't use any unique assets or animations, just cinematography. it was also storyboarded a lot better than the modern in game cutscenes

>>713634674
lead up to midnight so the shillbots have been activated

>>713622447 (OP)
I stopped playing for good just before shadowlands. I like BfA a bit i guess but legion was the last true fun expansion for me. Everything after that fell off. And after bfa i didnt even bother to watch the videos for anything Retail related.

I would probably still play retail if there werent trannies, fags, and furfags in it. Or rather if they atleast weren't developing the game.
As others have always said. The left cannot create, they can only distort. And WoW is blatant proof of that. And the reason the left cannot create is because they're completely demoralized souls.

>>713634674
patch 11.2 is out soon, and they need to get those numbers up

expect a cash shop mount on the level of the long boi to be released soon

>>713635407
>patch 11.2 is out soon,
is it looking good?

>>713628514
>he doesn’t know his wowg lore
The purple fox (memefox) and the spammer (foxxo/koragon) are two different people

>>713622447 (OP)
>when the bar is so low that you'll bump into the world soul of Azeroth before finding it

>>713635479
i've been pretty hands off about worlo, but my read of the features and such makes it appear that its made to keep people who are playing playing rather than pulling more people in

the new zone is literally netherstorm 2.0, including the same zone boss and eco domes. now, netherstorm is my favorite tbc zone but going there again isn't really what i need to get me interested. they're also expanding on several existing systems like more difficulty modes for delves

tl;dr: more of the same

i can't wait for all those idiots to realize what housing will do to their game after the fact.

>>713635763
>the new zone is literally netherstorm 2.0, including the same zone boss and eco domes
really? isn't it meant to be the ethereal homeworld?

>>713635919
correct

>>713635984
but it's basically just like netherstorm?

>>713635878
>Casuals will continue to be casual and annoying but in their houses now

>>713636101
if you thought your game looked dead already you have no idea what's coming. a lot of wow players have never played other mmos with housing and it shows.

quality blizzard animations

>>713622447 (OP)
Buy an ad.

>>713636269
It won't be worse than garrisons

>>713636329
it's not the comparison to garrisons that should be concerning you.

>>713636308
my favorite is kalecgos eating soup

>>713636329
garrisons, funnily enough, were a thing when the game had more subs than it does now

>>713622709
Is this you? This is the face of post-op tranny?

>>713636269
I trust Blizzard, they are experienced and they know that letting people stay in their houses is no good.

Also we will have early access later this year and players will be able to voice their opinion.

>>713636380
Explain.

>>713636380
Okay, what's your point then?
Garrisons actually killed cities because basically everything in a city was also in your garrison. Player housing is just a dollhouse for small groups of players to hang out in, it's not going to have the same effect.

Why are Californian leftists so bad at writing stories? I enjoy the dungeons and raids but the story is so SHIT

>>713636523
I sure hope you can't just queue from houses.

>>713628990
Which archive site is this? The one I use doesn't allow searching

>>713636429
Why do trannies make themselves look like their grandmothers even in video games? Don't they think of themselves as sexy desirable women? I seriously don't get it.

>>713636575
Lurk more

>>713636429
>>713636623
You should get help for your tranny obsessions

>>713636504
good luck, friend.

>>713636739
You don't have a point, do you?

>>713636574
Won't make a difference.
Unless you can put a bank, auction house, and profession vendors in your house it's not going to kill cities like WoD.

>>713636725
Hey I'm not the one putting self-inserts like that into a video game

>>713636861
>>713635878
>after the fact
if you haven't realized, i'd rather you find out yourself. (you could also just do your own research on how personal housing impacted several other mmos)

>>713636926
You're putting self inserts into your own mind

>>713636863
>Unless you can put a bank, auction house, and profession vendors in your house
sir
your mounts?

>>713622569
>>713628514

WoW in 2025?

nigga thats nuts !

>>713637162
The overwhelming majority of people who play the game do not have 10 million gold to spare and thus do not have those mounts

>>713622569
>*mogs wrathgate cinematic*
Kino

>>713634674
It's the best expansion since Legion, which says fucking nothing because the expansions since Legion were BFA-SL-DF
I really enjoy M+ these days because a full swap of the dungeons every patch keeps the game fresh, but anything that's not M+ or raid is totally dead chore content because NOBODY gives a fuck about WoW's world anymore after the BFA-SL-DF trinity of slop and as for Mythic Raiding Blizzard takes one step forward three steps back as they constantly buttfuck raid fight design in order to cater to the Anti-WeakAura, Anti-Addon casual classic players who will regardless never actually Mythic raid

t. CE last five raids

>>713622709
He's a tranny obsessed with wow, this thread was probably made by them so they can just dump their folder once again.

i'd rather just play a vanilla private server for free than give blizzard money for an inferior product.

at the end of the day you still need to go to the city to get your quests, cities will never die

>>713637431
No this thread was made by me and it was hijacked by that faggot

There's also this thread >>713611969 hijacked by a chinese faggot dumping his 50+ pics folder

It's amazing how much seethe WoW generates

>>713637502
>everyone finishes their quests
now what? wow sure doesn't get many new players, just the same faggots.

>>713637336
And specifically towards TWW, people who do play real content are getting fucking pissed because Blizzard is transparently trying to squeeze more engagement hours of of them.
This season, they tried something called the "Turbo Boost", where they significantly raised the max upgrade cap on all Mythic-level gear. This meant that every Mythic raider (who at this point in the tier after all the dungeon farming and raid farming just wants to raidlog as they progress to CE) had to go back and spam farm faceroll dungeons for HOURS to re-upgrade every piece of gear.

>>713637336
>in order to cater to the Anti-WeakAura
These people are in the right though
I just did mythic sprocket and the fight is literally more about setting up and learning to interface with weakauras than it is interfacing with the game and fight itself

Addons are great but they shouldn't be able to solve the game this hard. It creates an arms race between addon developers and fight designers that ends up making mythic design so fucking obtuse it's no longer designed to be playable without weakauras telling you what to do

>>713637292
>The overwhelming majority of people
are casuals. not pvp elites or raiders

>>713637623
I assure you 90% of players are not finishing all dailies and weeklies over the entire 7 days they have to do them let alone in less time than that

>>713637672
So? That has zero impact on what we're discussing here

>>713637747
>dailies
christ

>>713637638
>This meant that every Mythic raider (who at this point in the tier after all the dungeon farming and raid farming just wants to raidlog as they progress to CE) had to go back and spam farm faceroll dungeons for HOURS to re-upgrade every piece of gear.
Sasuga Blizzard LMAO

who is blizzard trying to market their game towards these days?

>new player joins
>does the one button rotation
>hits cap in a day, if that, because blizzard wants to push everyone into endgame asap
>you don't know how to play because you've only done the one button rotation
do they want the casual audience or the raiding audience? they can't seem to decide.

>>713637663
>Mythic Sprocket WA
Easily the best fight in the raid, so if you're pointing at him as to why WAs are a bad thing that's a horrid example. Gallywix was a no-WA-needed fight and he's the most boring endboss in fuck I couldn't tell you how long.
>WAs solve the game/design arms race/etc
There's basically no argument in the favor of anti-weakauras because all real-world evidence is that pro-WA raids have more fun fights.
Technically, Blizzard should design fights that are fun without WAs. Practically, they have shown over YEARS of efforts that they literally can't do it. Dragonflight was the 3 worst raids I have ever played back-to-back-to-back and the reason why was because they can not make fun fights while also making those fights simple enough to not have WeakAuras in them.

>>713637932
Blizzard isn't trying to bring in new people. Just retain the ones that are already playing.
New players would get turned off by this schizophrenic ourobouros of a game within minutes.

>>713637932
>you don't know how to play because you've only done the one button rotation
Part of the reason why the one button rotation exists is to help people with rotations.

It highlights the buttons that have to be used next, and there is also a mode that only does the highlighting without actually doing your actions for you.

Also the one button rotation does not actually play your class for you. It only does the basic rotation which usually consist of 3-4 spells out of the 40 spells you have to use.

>>713638069
>Easily the best fight in the raid, so if you're pointing at him as to why WAs are a bad thing that's a horrid example.
Opinion, unrelated to the WA argument
>Gallywix was a no-WA-needed fight and he's the most boring endboss in fuck I couldn't tell you how long.
And that's exactly why the WA arms race is a bad thing. I don't think you're getting my point here

>Technically, Blizzard should design fights that are fun without WAs. Practically, they have shown over YEARS of efforts that they literally can't do it.
That's because WAs exist. If they want to make a fight that doesn't need or can't use WAs, they're forced to do weird unnatural shit that ends up not being fun. If more things were obfuscated to the addon UI they'd have a lot more freedom to play with mechanics without them just being something a WA solves for you.

>>713622447 (OP)
Thats not WoD thougheverbeit
MoP>WoD>legion>cata>dragonflight>TWW>BFA>shadowlands

>>713638318
>dragonflight above TWW
>WoD above legion and TWW
obvious bait is obvious

>>713622569
I wish FF14 just had WoWs combat and Night Elves then I would have no reason to ever consider playing WoW again

>>713638232
>>713638069
I don't understand what people's problem with WA/BW is. It costs you nothing to slap whatever shit a streamer came up with and play the game. Or you can simply memorize the fight.

Also half of the fun I have with WoW is designing my own weakauras. Customizing your shit is super fun.

>>713638728
It's amazing how every MMORPG after WoW manages to have worse combat. Just copy it

>>713638318
>>713638471
WoD was the best WoW has been but only in the first week it was out, then it is among the worst for the rest of the expansion except the week a new raid drops.

>>713633905
Don't be insulting to Machinima, those looked significantly better than the trash Blizzard is putting out nowadays.

>>713638471
Legion is the absolute most overrated xpac of all time, its on the low end of good, squarely behind WoD which mogged it in every single regard except amount of content. BRF alone is better than all the legion raids

>>713638232
>Unrelated
it's very related. If Mines weren't a WA, the fight would have to have half its mechanics removed because it would be too complex without the WA. The WA being in that fight is the reason it's so good: it makes room for more shit to do which is fun.
My proof is how badly they raped Echo of Neltharion to death when they ripped out the WA and turned it into a LFR fight.
>WA arms race is a bad thing
I don't think you're getting mine. I had no issue with the WA arms race because it resulted in better, more fun raid encounters, and I'm far from a WF raider. After the anti-WA-paradigm, fights have gotten worse and often only rise above "boring" when a WA is involved.
>If they wanted to make a fight that doesn't need or use WAs, they're forced to do weird unnatural shit
They're not forced to do that, that's the only way they can try and make WoW still a challenge. So the options so far have been "have WAs and the fights are great", or "have no WAs and the fights are unfun"
You can't even say that WAs made WoW too easy or played the game for you. Jailer was Heavy-WA and was 500 pulls. Fyrakk and especially Tindral were Low-WA and were 500 pulls.
>If more things were hidden from addons they'd have more freedom
They tried that with PrivateAuras and they failed. This whole argument is a platitude. THEORETICALLY they could make more fun fights with WAs. How many years of boring raids and boring fights until the anti-WA crowd just admits that WAs are the only way to make raid fights fun?

>>713639023
Legion had a few key issues that stop it from being the best, first and foremost the awful legendary system that people seem to have forgotten about

>>713638069
You are making a self defeating argument here, the other guy is right, if the game has devolved to the point where fights can't be enjoyable unless they're designed with weak auras in mind, the add on has become mandatory and the designers have to build the game around it, which is obviously not a good thing.

>>713639023
>Except amount of content
Yeah you know that's kind of a big deal to most people though.

>>713638735
>I don't understand what people's problem with WA/BW is. It costs you nothing to slap whatever shit a streamer came up with and play the game. Or you can simply memorize the fight.
Spoken truly like someone who doesn't play the game.
Many of these weakauras only work when everyone in the raid has the same one installed and everyone has it configured the exact same way. It adds a ton of headache and troubleshooting to the game before you can just fucking play it, because other people are retards and won't have it set up correctly. You also can't "simply memorize the fight" on these WA-heavy bosses because the weakaura is what decides assignments for mechanics in real time.

>Also half of the fun I have with WoW is designing my own weakauras. Customizing your shit is super fun.
Me too. I use custom weakauras and addons for tons of stuff and it's half the fun of the game. I want weakauras to be for stuff like this, I don't want them to be used to solve entire bosses and force everyone to be using them.

>>713622709
Blizzard raped his family.

>>713639275
>Obviously not a good thing
I doubt you could explain why this is bad without just regurgitating some principle. I don't give a fuck about the principle of why that's a bad thing, the game is more fun with addons and less fun without them. I have years of experience raiding with both to know this
>>713638735
They just hate it on principle because no other game makes you do it, as if that's somehow justification enough for it being bad.
Anti-WA people always point to Jailer Bombs, a mechanic that 100% required a WA, as some kind of smoking gun for why WAs should be banned, despite that mechanic being fun and the WA not being a problem.
Every time a WA complainer argues about them they always end up revealing that they're not Mythic raiders and often aren't even WoW players at all, they just raided in like Wrath or something and they're mad the game evolved and got more complex.

>>713634674
>no one seriously believes this expansion is good, right?
It's literally better than wrath

>>713639571
>nooo you can't exposed wow's pozzed garbage that's unacceptable!

>>713639369
Oh I don't raid, only do M+, and never had any problems

To me it seems like the entire point of raiding is having to do a lot of autistic coordination to make things work, if you casualize it the autists that raid will complain

>>713639081
This guy summed it up better than I could. >>713639275
I can see it's just your opinion that you like the gameplay of clearing incredibly obtuse bosses via weakauras, I think that's retarded and incredibly unhealthy for the game but if you like it you like it.

I also want to point out that I never said weakauras trivialize the game. They "solve" the mechanics for you, but you still have to execute them. My problem is with where and how it shifts the challenge, and with the software setup and troubleshooting the reliance on them adds.

>They tried that with PrivateAuras and they failed.
That's not what I mean. I don't want personal auras, I want less stuff given to the addon API in general so addons can't automate as much regardless of what the mechanics are. One big wave of it happened after vanilla and it was a good thing for the game, we need another pass of it.

>>713639679
>The game is more fun with addons and less fun without them
Yeah that's the point, Blizzard is finally ripping off the bandaid and realizing they need to make the game and the fights fun without addons, whether or not they'll succeed remains to be seen, but they are going in the right direction by choosing to do so.

>>713639369
>Have to fuck around with getting the whole guild the same WA on the same version
>Have a fun raiding experience after
or
>Don't have to fuck around with a WA on a boss
>Be fucking bored the entire prog but at least you didn't have to sit for five minutes once or twice as you made the village idiot reinstall a WA
wow what a fucking choice I wonder which one is better
kill yourself

>>713639730
Absolutely false, you could actually enjoy the characters, the setting, and the world in Wrath, in TWW all three of those are absolute trash.

>>713639764
>>713639679
>>713639840
This entire argument is moot because Blizzard is going to prohibit combat addons after incorporating them into the base game.

You will have all the WA functionality without having to download them.

I just think it's funny that this will be acceptable to the casuals even though the WA experience is basically the same, you simply don't have to spend 10 minutes setting it up .

>>713639970
Buddy that ship has sailed a long time ago

TWW has the best gameplay up to date and that's what matters. Any M+ of the current season shits all over Wrath's raids.

>>713639752
>Oh I don't raid, only do M+, and never had any problems
I mean this politely but yeah, that means you're not seeing the parts of the game that are being ruined by weakauras. Weakauras in all other contexts is great and in general I love how customizable WoW is, what I have a problem with is the ability for WAs that are 90% custom lua code to do half the raid leading for you causing raid design to bloat and suffer to compensate.

>>713627384
It literally is now. You WoW players need to accept that.

>>713640085
>I don't care about Warcraft as a setting and everything about it is shit now, but I'm addicted to the gear treadmill so I keep playing
Yeah, average WoW player nowadays, we're done here.

>>713640085
m+cattle
eugh

>>713640012
>You will have all the WA functionality without having to download them.
You have no idea what those changes are actually doing. Blizzard is just adding stuff like mechanic timers to the base UI so people don't need things like DBM. The experience is going to be NOTHING like doing current raids with weakauras, the default UI is not going to assign soaks and solve mechanics with little graphical popups for you.

>>713640317
Blizzard said there will be zero difference to how the experience currently is, how do you know they are not going to do that? Is there a beta already out?

>>713639840
>>713639764
>>713639764
>I don't mean personal auras
Oh fuck me, this nigger doesn't even know what PrivateAuras are. How long has it been since you actually raided?
>Finally ripping off the bandaid
They did this FIVE FUCKING RAIDS AGO
FIVE RAIDS of SHITTY boring trash. It's been THREE YEARS of Blizzard "ripping of the bandaid" and they STILL can't consistently make fun no-weakaura fights. Fuck, I wouldn't even take consistent, I would take "at any decent rate".
>realizing they need to make the game and fights fun without addons
They have spent YEARS of development time proving that they can't. Either WoW's core gameplay will not allow for fun fights without allowing addons, or Blizzard is simply incompetent in their attempts and will never improve. Either way, how many shitty raids will have to release before you admit you were wrong? They have not released a single raid that even approaches "great" in the five tiers since kicking WAs to the curb.
>They are going in the right direction
You could not ever, EVER explain why making bad raids is the "right direction" because you don't care if WoW is fun since you clearly don't actually play it, you just care about the principle even if nobody who likes WoW has any fun in the process

>>713640401
>Blizzard said there will be zero difference to how the experience currently is
No they didn't. Show me where you read that.

Why do MMOs have at least one dedicated schizo with entire folders of hate content around their target of choice?

>>713640452
>It's been THREE YEARS of Blizzard "ripping of the bandaid" and they STILL can't consistently make fun no-weakaura fights.
Weakauras still exist and can still solve fights, so no, they did not rip off the band aid and we have not seen what they can make because the world that enables it doesn't exist yet.
What are you not understanding about this?

>You could not ever, EVER explain why making bad raids is the "right direction"
Strawman

>Mythic raiding is heavily addon-centric
>Years and years of amazing raids
>Blizzard decides to design fights to actively stop addons from being used
>Years and years of boring sludge dogshit
>"See! Blizzard just needs to fight addons harder!"

>>713640635
MMOs are just that genre. It attracts the parasocial freaks without friends and families and plenty of time to harbor a vendetta and piss away any last second of their lives screeching about a single thing.

After Legion was their last chance to fix the game and they immediately blew it astronomically

>>713640497
>We have seen speculation that we are primarily targeting RWF guilds with these changes. While it is true that Mythic raiding has become increasingly reliant on addons, that is not the primary goal of this project. We are embarking on this project with the aim of leveling the playing field and making the game more approachable for all players. Currently, addons are able to analyze and “solve” combat and coordination mechanics perfectly, and faster than would be possible for an unassisted human player. While many players will naturally seek out any advantage, this also means that players who don’t use these addons are at a huge disadvantage. Many players end up feeling excluded from competitive content unless they install, set up, and maintain a number of addons. This is a significant barrier to entry, and we have heard growing feedback over the years from players who resent feeling like they need addons to play the game properly. This project is about doing everything we can to shrink that gap, by building up the baseline functionality of the default UI, while also reining in the “optimal problem-solving” capabilities of the addon API.
>while also reining in the “optimal problem-solving” capabilities of the addon API.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/devs-share-details-on-combat-addon-purge-with-wowui-discord/

>>713640718
The bad design comes from them having to design fights that CAN'T be solved be weakauras, not designing ones that don't need to. This isn't complicated

>>713622709
why are blizzdrones making daily shill wow threads?

>>713622447 (OP)
Buy a fucking ad. MoP sucked and so did everything that came after it

>>713640718
Why are you still playing the game if you think the last few years were so bad? There are other games or even other hobbies you could pick up, why actively engage with something that's not satisfying or enjoyable to you?

>>713640680
>We have not seen what they can make because the world that enables it doesn't exist yet
So if a raid with 7 no-WA fights that suck and one WA fight that's good releases, the reason the 7 fights sucked was because the one good fight has WAs?
let me guess, your last expansion was Wrath?

>>713634489
The people hating them were primarily totally new to the series, sub numbers were almost at their peak at this time.
The vast majority of players didn't play WC3 also.

>>713641043
The new patch is out soon so the shills are activated to talk about it in order to try and attract attention to the game, this happens every time a new patch is about to drop.

>>713640887
Where the fuck are you getting "the new default UI will do everything current weakauras do" from this?
The part you're highlighting specifically states the opposite, it says they're reigning in the API's ability to solve fights and nothing here says the default UI is going to solve fights instead.

>>713641137
Read my post again. You're missing the key point. I've spelled it out as clear as day and if you're just gonna ignore it I'm not wasting my time arguing with you

>>713640635
If you think this thread has a 'folder dump' you haven't actually seen what a folder dump looks like. There needs to be at least 10+ images of random articles, youtube videos and other shit. Really petty, tribal bullshit that doesn't even come from the game itself just so a raging sperg can push a bunch of negative opinions of a game he doesn't actually play

>>713637336
>full swap of the dungeons
But retard-kun your dawn breaker/arakara/priory/floodgate rehash...

game fucking blows. Hit 3600 this season and I'm supposed to be excited for more of the exact same dogshit I'm tired of this season? Honestly unreal

>>713641156
Moreover, it's the lead up to Midnight, so there's double shilling.

>>713641137
>>713641002
Evidence that addon raids are good:
every great raid
Evidence that anti-addon raids are good:
>Well I mean none of the raids since DF were good but real anti-WA raids just haven't been tried yet!
you're using literal tankie arguments
neither of you have ever mythic raided btw

>>713622447 (OP)
If you think MoP was a good expansion then I don't give a fuck about your dogshit opinion.

>>713641690
whoops
>>713641296

>>713641690
can't believe we have someone doing damage control for cheats and raids designed around the baseline assumption that everyone will be downloading cheats

>>713641180
Doesn't reigning in mean you're lassoing something and bringing it to yourself?

>>713641916
It just means reducing.

>>713641690
Still completely ignoring the key point, keep hunting

>>713622447 (OP)
>what do?
Literally not play it because it's on par with shadowlands with how off it put me, specially since I got into the zone with the gay ass amputee nigga.

You can tell these anti-WA ghouls haven't raided in years because they have yet not referenced a single boss that was great without WAs

>>713640718
>Years and years of amazing raids

are these amazing raids in the room with us right now?

>>713641808
can't believe we have someone staunchly believing that wow raids should be boring shit to play because uhhh ummm well i mean it's just uhhhhhh you know uuuhhh yeah

>>713642820
>cheating is good ackchually
brave

>>713642820
Nobody said that though

>>713642963
>we didn't argue for wow raids to be boring shit, we just argued for anti-weakaura raids, which we got and were boring shit

it's absolutely pathetic that some 'people' need addons to raid.

>>713643301
>which we got and were boring shit
We have not gotten them yet. The existence of weakauras severely limits the design of "anti-weakaura raids" and that's why they suck.
You are arguing against things nobody is claiming

should i resub? i haven't played since october

>REAL communism hasn't been tried yet!

I don't care for the pozzed "faction" stories at this point, the only thing that matters is the cosmickino

Dimensius is back, and I can't wait to take him on.

>>713643697
I accept your concession

I haven't played since Legion. Apparently that was eight years ago.

Cannot even imagine how raped everything must be. I refuse to return. Maybe in a few years I'll try Classic for a month or two, at most.

>I accept your concession

>>713636429
Casooo cerradooooo

>>713643914
you don't even need to try classic, just find a vanilla private server and play for free.

>>713622447 (OP)
please stop giving money to Blizzard

>>713622447 (OP)
Can't wait for Kinonight

>>713637336
I would personally rate it above LEgion just because it doesn't have legendary and artifact grind garbage, thus making it the best expansion since MoP.
It is, however, worse than MoP and every expansion before MoP too.

MIDnight

>>713634489
>I don't understand
Big warcraft fans knew avout pandaren and asked for them in early wow because they thought pandaren were cool, but overtime they became outnumbered by new players who had never played wc3 or even understood the references from the quests in the barrels. when Kung Fu Panda came out in 08, multiple years after WC3, the new players associated pandaren with a kids cartoon as that was their first exposure to the concept of warrior monk pandas, and pandaren have never been able to shake it.
If Kung Fu Panda never came out, an ass load of people would likely be way more tolerable.

>>713622709
Why are there so many redditors on /v/ now trying to use "post history" as a gotcha?

>>713645247
It's good tactic to expose shills, because it's usually shills that keep making same kind of posts

>>713622447 (OP)
idk, its got good and bad.
plenty of QoL like transmog appearances unlocking for all characters regardless of armor type, the whole Warband thing and reputation being warband-wide, some gear being warbound to make it easier to gear up alts.
PvE balanced pretty well, M+ actually quite a bit better with the affix changes, the dungeons themselves are decent.
Raids have been kinda mid, though.
Nobody really fucking cares about the lore anymore and they're putting the diverse character in your face as the posterchild, even crippled Khadgar so he of course has a wheelchair.
Environments aren't very good other than a couple parts of Hallowfall. Huge step down from Dragonflight in that regard.
No daily grind (instead its a weekly grind), mission table, or expansion-lasting borrowed power that you need to do chores to upkeep.
There IS borrowed power, but its more in the form of items that only last up until a certain point - like a ring that was BiS for everyone when it released at the end of season 1 (and allowed for some crazy shit like healer-less raids), but gets replaced reasonably early in season 2 depending on the class/spec and how valuable its stats are for them. Or the DISC belt they just introduced which is BiS for everyone currently, but will also get replaced some way into season 3.

>>713646006
Biggest problem with the game is that blizzard's rushing shit out without testing. Every small patch or hotfix breaks something. They need to stop with the small patches, they're poorly received and genuinely make the game worse. Nightfall, Dastardly Duos, Legacy of the Arathi, etc. added jack fucking shit worth doing.

>>713646006
>Nobody really fucking cares about the lore anymore and they're putting the diverse character in your face as the posterchild, even crippled Khadgar so he of course has a wheelchair.
I felt like this wasn't actually really a thing this expansion, yeah she's there in the Hallowfall part and there's that new optional questline for some transmogs but she absolutely wasn't the "main character" or anything. The undermine story was great, and in general everything feels a lot more genuine compared to DF where every other character was gay or whatever

>>713646561
This undermine was kino and people ignore it

Though if /vpol/ played it the chuds would hate it because of the socialist undertones

>>713643842
>A FUCKING WARLOCK SUMMON

>Undermine was great
Yeah, everything that is Horde related ends up being kino but Blizzard keeps catering to subhumans who keep crying on the forum about the alliance not getting screen time.

So you team up with the evil woman again to defeat the reaaaal evil threat and then she begrudgingly apologizes or something after its all said and done?

They've done this for the past 3-4 expansions now

>My name may be TROLLERSLAUGHTERER2000 but I would never think of my race superior than others...I'm not some pathetic magat!
weird writing these days

>>713646882
ehhh, watering down the cartels to all get along feels kinda boring, I hope the lady in charge of Venture ends up being as shitty as her predecessors. The rest should be back to cut throat gang and crime business now that Gallywix is out of the picture. Too much of a happy ending as it is.
THe Arathor patch story was absolute dogshit.

>>713622709
>how dare you obsessively post a video game's own cinematic a handful of times

I am ok with them not killing hot women.

>>713647323
sir that is a dead body.

>>713647323
I want Aethas to kill her after she destroys Quel'thalas.
At that point, nobody has been hurt by her more than him.

>>713647323
she probably wont even get an comeuppance for crippling khadgar and blowing up dalaran

>>713624416
no, because it's fully metzen powered in a redone quel'thalas

>>713647127
What do you mean? You don't enjoy The Sons of Lothar being about tolerance? Despite the fact they were formed to travel through the dark portal to defend their homes and kill orcs?

>Metzen comes back
>we immediately go fight Aliens again
Why is he like this

>>713622447 (OP)
Unfortunately it took too long to get good again and I don't care anymore

>>713647568
I will genuinely take it over Affrassabi's retarded faction war noncery and Danuser's subversive therapyspeak horsehit.

>>713622447 (OP)
>>713622569
Blizzard's graphics and animations are still straight outta 2004 except now there's blacks, cool

>>713622569
What would be the equivalent in FF14?

>>713647568
Metzen might be a mid writer but he knows how to make kino moments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td0pUwrBWjc

They also have to fire all the little danusers that are creating these mid patch theraphy quests

>>713622447 (OP)
There's just something missing, I dont know what. Something about 'this story is actually 3 xpacs long' kind of makes paying attention tedious. Feels like with the content map we kind of know were
-Probably not going to see the nutrolls place, or it'll be small / Goblin town like
-Probably won't see past the sea/lake of Hallowfell which feels like a worse dick tease compared to the WotlK spider stuff
-Theres that other deepers section in the spider area (I think) that you get turned away from.

I dont know is it just teaser: the expansion?
I guess the story feels kind of limp this time around? I stopped around the goblin patch. Why am I supposed to care about the Goblins? I mean I don't mind a filler patch ala troll content but this feels bad. The cars are fun for 3 seconds, but the zone feels like it was designed with them as an after thought. whatever
>>713622569
Honestly looks WIP

>>713622447 (OP)
>since MoP
.....high bar....

>>713647810
Danuser in his infinite wisdom wanted to introduce as many of his new OC donut steel concepts to the story as possible, whilst turning around and finishing the Titan Plot all in this expansion alone. 11.1 was probably supposed to be Quel'thalas do-over and 11.2 was likely supposed to be Northrend shit, ending in whatever manner The Last Titan will end in.
This was a shit idea as everything Danuser has introduced was garbage, and in his usual fashion he just wanted to subvert and throw all the old lore out of the way to introduce his crap for whatever would come next.
What you're seeing with the plot of TWW is Metzen re-organizing things and padding it out between three expansions so it won't feel like everything happens too fast. The downside is the Goblin and Ethereal plots are just sort of awkwardly hotglued onto a story that was going to go in a different direction.

>>713634643
The panda really sticks out. This image did the opposite of what you were trying.

>>713647765
Despite 14 not having amazing animations they never look that bad, WoW is in a league of it's own.

We will never reach the level of PS2 animations ever again unfortunately.

>>713634489
>everyone wanted Pandaren
No they didn't.

>legion LE BAD cuz I HAD TO farm 16 hours a day to get .005% higher dps in my heroic raids
/v/tards

>>713648371
because it has a background while the others are just the model. also, the color palette of his robe

>>713645061
>big warcraft fans knew about Pandaren
Warcraft fans knew about Chen, and that's it. And even then only because Rexxar's proto WoW campaign was fairly popular and Chen was quite useful. Beyond Chen, Pandaren were always a joke race, and literally fucking nobody ever asked for them outside the absolute fringe.
You know what actual WoW players asked for, and still didn't get to this day? OGRES.

>>713648557
How is that good game design?

>>713648557
What else is there to do?

>PVP
>Level an alt
>???

>>713648665
You don't need .005% higher dps, fucktard. It's a small bonus you get from playing the game, presumably for fun.

>>713648748
Not even level an alt if you had any intention to take them into endgame. The grinds and Legiondaries meant you were fucked without getting carried.

>>713648935
well that was going to be my response, even if you leveled an alt you'd find yourself right back at the same horrid gameplay loop when you reached endgame

>>713636524
it's not hard to fathom. they're literally unable to make good stories. remember, communists cannot create, only destroy.

Problem is wow is so incredibly formulaic now

Every expac- level through the campaign. Collect boar asses, etc. if you don't ignore side content, you hit max level way before the end of the "campaign" (mandatory quest line needed for some ilvl bullshit or whatever). Proceed to finish the last two zones at max level.

Spam world quests. Collect your 3-4 weekly welfare epic caches. Collect your "dinars" (monthly mythic raid welfare items). Run m+ for expancoin and expacrest to upgrade your gear. Logout until next expac.

If you've played one modern wow expac, you've played them all. It's just a new set of zones and instances.

>>713648557
Legion was probably my favorite expansion and I played from very late vanilla through to whatever that garbage ass troll expansion was (where I quit for good because all the testosterone had been removed from World of Warcraft)

>>713649407
legion was fun but fuck the suramar region.

>>713649180
Communists of the slavic kind can create some pretty good stuff

>>713622569
I'm just glad they fixed the jaw flapping you saw in older cutscenes
It looked hideous

>>713649567
nope

>>713649574
Nah that at least made it funny

I'm just playing Project Ascension. Feels gud, bros.

>>713649974
It was a fun concept years ago but it feels like they've gone over board

>>713648557
Legion le bad because you could legit do 20% less damage than someone else for 2 months and you couldn't do anything about it, because you were capped on your legendary drops. Suck on a cock you fucking retard.

>>713622447 (OP)
What kind of people are still playing WoW in 2025? I haven't played in over ten years, I can't imagine what state it's in now.

>>713648557
Legion bad because it introduced everything bad about modern WoW
>mythic +
>borrowed powers
>AP grind
>legendary bullshit
>world quests
>garrisons 2.0 making the game even more of an instanced/solo game

I tried season of discovery. The runeshit was bizarre. Why not just GIVE the fucking abilities to people? Why attach abilities to weird item enchants?

>>713649395
This. Shit's stagnant.

>>713648617
Nope because the panda is infinitely more fucking gay.

>>713652170
>mythic+
Just challenge dungeons from MoP/WoD but extended
>borrowed powers
True but there wasn't any effect yet since they weren't demanding them back til BFA
>legendary bullshit
Not getting your BIS first time was overblown
>world quests
Just dailies without the faff
>garrisons 2.0
Huge improvement, didn't isolate you and fed into class identity.

>>713640635
>at least one
Lmao. WoW has more deranged schizo ex-players than it does actual players at this point.
t. subscriber

>>713651893
>I can't imagine what state it's in now.
A hell of a lot better than it was 10 years ago.

>>713655660
Well no shit, idiot. The game's been around for 20 years. Half the population of Earth used to play it at some point.

Who do you want to see in the hopeful Warcraft Dynasty Warriors?

>>713648778
The problem is you have to draw the line somewhere, and the amount you needed to compete ended up being unreasonably high.

>>713651893
>What kind of people are still playing WoW in 2025?
So many people, WoW is like a small nation
>most people are casuals doing weeklies and new solo content like delves/visions/dastardly duos
>many people are doing mythic dungeons
>a few hardcore autists are doing mythic raids
>some people are collecting stuff
>some people are roleplaying
>some people are pvping

Basically same as always but this time, at least for the immediate moment, everyone is more or less happy. Casualfags are creaming their pants with delves. PvEfags are very happy with m+, and raidfags say that the new raids are the best ones in a long time. Even pvpfags are satisfied because the game has never been this well balanced. Basically everyone is eating good except questfags and storyfags because yeah the story is dogshit, not as offensively gay as dragonflight but still dogshit and way too progressive/peaceful for what WoW should be.

>>713652170
I will never understand what is the problem that people have with mythic+. Genuinely the best content in the game.
>have to do mechanics perfectly or you die
>your entire spellbook matters, everything has an utility
>content changes a little every week and changes drastically every season
What is the alternative to this? Open world content where everything dies in 1 second to half of your main rotation? Casual dungeons where stuff dies quick but in 3 seconds instead of 1 and you don't need to do mechanics?

>borrowed powers
TWW did away with this, now every season has one BIS equipment that is given away after a 10 minutes quest and it's mostly a catch up tool. This is fine.

>>713657841
Not touching that game again, especially with the politics instilled everywhere in the story and characters. I get sick even remembering it

>>713622447 (OP)
Why is this the best expansion since MoP?
Don't most people consider Legion to be that?

>>713658293
>especially with the politics instilled everywhere in the story and characters
But it's not like that anymore. At least not at the extent of Dragonflight. It's just that a black woman is a relevant character in a couple of the campaigns (but not all of them). Everyone else is white anon and most of them are men, so it's not """political""" :^)

>>713649395
It's only been 2 expansions of that kind of system. How could it be stale already?

>>713658803
because >>713657841
basically delves, mythics are more engaging than ever, raids are good, lots of qol like warbands and account wide stuff, lots of catch up to gear alts and experiment
>Don't most people consider Legion to be that?
legion might be fun to whoever played it from the start but it was borrowed power the expansion and if you joined late you were fucked.

>>713658824
It's just as bad. I've already played the expansion

>majority females
>all men get killed off or pathetic af
>the stories feel like steven universe mixed with female drama movie tropes
>the villain isnt actually a vilain, just a woman angry at another woman
>and of course the ugly black mary sue who is stronger than anduin and made arathor become PC

The reductive gameplay solidified it.

>>713649395
>>713658923
>>713654063
TWW made the "formula" more intuitive than ever
>get to max by doing any campaign of any expansion ever, or spamming dungeons, or lorewalking (feature from last week)
>do world quests for a while to get catch up gear
>do m+, or raid, or collections, or pet battles, or professions, or a little of everything through weeklies, idk do whatever the fuck you want, every season gives you new stuff to do

>>713659547
too bad the areas are soulless.

>>713659707
K'aresh just being Netherstorm again is so fucking uninspired.

>>713622569
It's so bad

>>713622447 (OP)

>>713660179
Poor guy has to sit there and let HR tell him he has to gimp his dev team because the ethics department will get pissy otherwise

If they're serious about making the Devourers from Shadowlands part of a big bad story plot, I hope it just becomes Warcraft ORT

>>713660980
aren't they just kinda there

>>713661215
Theyre intentionally mysterious, but im mainly talking about how they're bringing back Halls of Atonement which had a Devourer boss, as well as the Devourer presence in the patch itself
Also Venari has a line where she says to Xalatath that
>I have been to the Maw. I KNOW what it is that the Void fears.

>>713660980
Bro they literally just turned void lords into scaled up voidwalkers

>>713660179
>posted it again award

>>713660179
funny. Im a black programmer and they rejected me many times so it seems they dont care about blacks there either. But a lot of indians are at blizzard.

>>713622709
>XIV has had a schizo folder dump over 100 posts every thread for years
>WoWfags get one person posting an embarrassing webm a few times
>lose their shit
Babies, crybabies, and trannies

>>713663049
Why are you so obsessed with transsexuals?