What games are you going to play in heaven (or hell) when you die

I don't think the human mind can handle an eternity of anything, even a hobby you enjoy. Hell, I'd probably be bored of living by the time I turned 200 if that were an option.

>>713707741 (OP)
>Report cheater in the sever to God
>NOTHING gets done about it

heaven is not real
stop believing literal antique doctrines made to contain illiterate retards from millennia ago

>>713707741 (OP)
Xenoblade Chronicles X, probably, I don't think I'll get to it in my lifetime

>>713707961
Fun part is, if you don´t believe in sky daddies, you will probably target of new-age sects, 2030, global warming, etc...

>>713707959
>implying cheaters will go to heaven
lol im so glad im not a disgusting cheater and will enoy the best vidya in Gods servers

>>713707891
I am more predictable and machine like than you'd give me the credibility to expect some kind of nuance. The reality is, even as a broken transient entity unable to find an ending or even formally recognize themselves I would still play videogames for longer than you could form coherent statements in the same condition.

>>713707961
Yep, nowadays we cut off our dicks and take HRT for a semblance identity in a bizarre take on spirituality

>>713707741 (OP)
Hope heaven is like in Supernatural and we can will videogames of our choice into existence, like games that never existed and would never exist otherwise. The original concept for beyond good and evil 2 and 3 as the original creator would have envisioned it? Got it. Also cancelled games like Hytale, Earthblade, Dreamsettler, Scalebound and Project Hammer

>>713707741 (OP)
ffxiv or wow.
Or any mmorpg in general.
You can play the game with different play style and finally you have all the time to care about the lore.

KEEP THREAD ON TOPIC. WHAT GAMES WOULD YOU PLAY DURING ETERNITY

>>713708256
>Makes flawed reality rooted in fundamental violence of motion
>Somehow thinks this clearly flawed creator is going to have an unbounded and limitless heaven.


Enjoy your giant bug lamp in the sky.

>>713708145
>play cs: God
>ct team are always from heaven
>terrorist team are always from hell
>they cheat
>God kick the cheaters out the match
>new players cheat again
>repeat to eternity

Gone Home

>>713708417
>atheist
>reddit spacing
Whay are they like this?

>>713707741 (OP)
I could finally finish my backlog

>>713708214
You joke, but yeah, young people and outcasts just want to be part of a community and feel like their lives have meaning.

>>713708569
>He fell for the reddit spacing meme
How new?

>>713708569
>Retarded schizo projection because you can only see in dualisms.

You're joke on multiple levels. Also you're clearly a post 2009 newfag and you love outting yourself.

>>713707741 (OP)
There are different kinds of games in the astral world. Video games are a manifestation of those astral games.
Here they’re video games, there, they're just games.

Technically you will be able to play the exact same 1:1 if you want.

>>713707961
>We are so intelligent bro!!!! We spend gazillions of hours for shitposting on the internet and jerking off to degenerate porn instead of thinking about ideal concepts and God, but we are so superior cuz WE HAVE LE HECKIN SÖYENCE BRO!!!!!

>>713708879
>>713708909
>>>/r/eddit

>>713709353
Were you there at pool's closed?

If not, then kill yourself for trying so hard to fit in.

>>713709353
>*snap*
Yep, this is going to get me some free karma, see ya later sucker
>*i say as i drive my ferrari while flipping you off*

>>713707741 (OP)
>heaven (or hell)
LET'S ROCK

>>713708278
RE4
Patrician 3

>>713707741 (OP)
What makes you think you are going to heaven?

>>713707961
/thread
utterly insane drivel

>>713711201
Yeah I could probably play RE4 mercenary mode forever

>>713708278
Pose the prison question you fucking philistine, this is an obvious bait thread to lure out faggots LARPing as christians.

I had this dream I was in this recurring house I think of as Heaven, and this guy was going through a PS5 and my games on it saying “oh you haven’t beat this yet”

>>713711286
I've sucked enough Ahura Mazda in war against evil to say I'm going somewhere better than worse.

>>713709446
>baby's first 4channel event
I bet you haven't even filled out any /v/ingo slots before.

>>713711517
Assumptive retard, I've done both. I don't believe you have however, you can go back.

>>713707741 (OP)
>heaven
>transport tycoon 4k ultrawidescreen support
>hell
>bethesda games unmodded

>>713707741 (OP)
It's bf1 that good?
Having to install another client is annoying that's why never bothered

>>713707741 (OP)
what do people in heaven do in their daily life anyway?

>>713707961
what do you live for then?

>>713707741 (OP)
>heaven/hell
You're getting reborn as some random bullshit, forever

>>713711647
for shit and giggles

>>713711734
fair enough

>>713711636
It scratches an itch from its unique gameplay and aesthetic
I wouldn’t say it’s THAT good because it’s pretty frustrating at times but there’s a reason why it still gets 20k players

>>713711639
Revelations describe that eventually God makes a new earth for us to reside but without sin
We continue on with our lives but in perfection and love forever


We might be so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Like we might be just in God’s sandbox and he plays around with the settings and just does what he wants as he goes. This is where a lot of atheists get hung up. They believe god doesn’t exist because if he did then he’s mean. But the truth is god may be just an almighty powers that does what he wills. Why do we pursue our pointless desires? Because we will it

>>713707741 (OP)
He is worrying about things that don't matter.
The moment you are in Heaven, all your Earthly worries will fade away as you no longer belong to the World, you now belong in Heaven, and you belong to God, in His family. He will take away all your worries and bottle up each tear, and replace the emptiness and cravings of the flesh with Joy, Happiness and Childlike Wonder.
You WILL have an infinite amount of things to discover in Heaven, with no end in sight for them, and everything you'll be interacting with and coming across will have you in awe just the same as when you were a child and every single thing seemed new and novel to you.

But if videogames somehow still happen to be something you seem to desire, it's perhaps there's still something in you on a deeper level you might want that you don't quite understand yet, maybe you just want to have fun in general but can't find any other way than with video games. Regardless of that, God loves you, and knows exactly what it is you actually desire under all those things you think of, worry about or pray for, so He will make sure you get to have a way to accomplish that need of yours up there in Heaven in such a way that it would actually be better than you could have imagined, and make you feel greater than what you initially asked for would.

If you read about why God created Leviathan and other Sea Creatures, one of the main takes on it is that he created it as a way to showcase his Power and Wisdom, and how even the greatest, most intimidating looking of creatures are subject to His Will... But if you read further in Psalm 104, you will see that it says Leviathan was specifically created so it could "play" in the water with the other creatures. Like when you would go with your family to a pool or to a beach when you were younger and you would just play around in the water and laugh and all that.

>>713707891
Given an endless supply of all entertainment media that has and will come out, as well as an internet connection and no need to pay any kind of tax or bill, with even a modest allowance, I am fairly sure I could live indefinitely without issue. During covid while everyone panicked I just made sure my deep freezer was stocked and just stayed inside for like a year. Even now, the last time I left the house was around December.

>>713712798
This is who God is. He is a loving, understanding and forgiving Father who wants the best for you, and to make you happy. And one of those ways would obviously be through entertainment. But the thing is, the moment you would go into Heaven, pretty much EVERYTHING will be entertaining to you day in and day out and it will never cease, nor will you ever be bored or tired of it.

And, once again, since he loves everything single person with a type of love that is very specific and unique to them alone, all you would have to do then, is ask Him, even if he does already know what you are thinking, He wants you to actually talk to Him and ask Him first as a way to give "consent" for Him to help you out with what it is you need, and as a way to respect your privacy, individual and free will you have as a person that's been given to you to choose in life with.

If after all you would come to experience by then, you would still somehow fixate on Battlefield or just war games in general, I'm more than certain there would be, or he can easily create some event for you specifically in the moment, with other people that might have shared that interest in their living life, to come and reenact some kind of gun fight in person, like, similar to how paintballing works IRL. It would not be 'violent' or anything like that, and it would just be fun and entertaining, and the usual emotional response and feelings you'd get from it would be similar to what you would feel as a child when you went around squirting others with water guns and whatnot.

The possibilities are unlimited. But you need to get there first. And to get there, you simply just need to believe in the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, seek out a personal relationship with him, and love the Lord your God with all your strength, heart and soul, then make sure you do your best to keep His commands.

It may sound like a lot but trust me, the moment you truly seek Him out, it will all come together.

>>713707961
>t.

>>713711647
NTA and I live to have fun
This is why I won't ack myself
Like, I want to play games and eat tasty food
There's no games and tasty food if I die

>>713711450
i would play his game

>>713713693
This looks like an actual jewish psyop
Jerking off doesn't help depression whatsoever
Not fucking in the slightest
Honestly, depression is most likely caused by your low testosterone so you don't even have a sex drive during it. People who want to jerk off constantly don't have depression because their T levels are high

>>713712798
>>713713491
What you’re speaking of is meaningless without the structure of time, and without the ability to change and perceive change. In the afterlife according to the Bible, what you did in your life defines what you are all for all eternity. And without the ability to change, without the ability to perceive the passage of time, the eternal now of heaven is meaningless. It’s death dressed up in fine linens. Meaning is derived from finitude, anyone telling you otherwise is selling you something.

>>713707741 (OP)
Factorio. Won't be in heaven though. There are no autists in heaven

>>713708278
Banjo tooie
Resident evil1997

>>713713693
This, i praise Jesus AND jerk off all day

>>713707961
forgot to mention Im trans btw

>>713715619
In hell, factorio lags as you expand the factory

>>713715129
You are constraining yourself to just what you know and are familiar with and think that somehow time not being a concept that exists anymore just somehow a prison when it's the exact opposite, it's freeing since there's nothing there bounding you in any way whatsoever. Time on earth binds you since it keeps you locked within a certain time period where you're supposed to do this and this and then this and that. When that's no longer there, you are free to do whatever, whenever, and you will not notice any passage of time, nor will you yearn for it in any capacity since you are free and the concept of it not longer exists. You aren't bound by said Earthly rules anymore. You're free.

And what is there to change when you will be made perfect upon death and later on, given a glorified body by God Himself. He will take care of you and make you be who you always were, in your perfect state. Whatever 'change' you are thinking of will more so happen as you learn how to do new things within the new society you will find yourself in Heaven and further find out how it functions.

But yes, your life here IS important and HAS meaning, especially since it's the one and only chance you get to do well and be faithful so you can spend the rest of Eternity in the presence of the Heavenly Father and rejoice in having chosen to follow the right path. Yet, in the grander scheme of everything, this life we have will be nothing more but a stepping stone for us, and nothing more than a speck of sand when compared to the vastness of Eternity.

>>713707741 (OP)
>retard believes he'll still have a consciousness post-death
Religious people are so fucking dumb kek.

>>713715129
You’re trying to define something you can’t even comprehend earth logic. Maybe that anons full of shit, or what he’s reading is, maybe not, but it’s arrogant to act like you know anything about what happens in the afterlife using the logic we apply to our daily lives on the one thing no living person can make an accounting for.

>>713716228
>And what is there to change when you will be made perfect upon death and later on, given a glorified body by God Himself.
If you cannot change, if you cannot be better then what you are, if you’ve reached the very end of any development, what you’re describing is death. To change is to be alive, to be alive is to have the ability to change. You’re talking about time as if it is a prison, but in truth, life is defined by and given meaning by time. The promise of eternity is a promise made to assuage the fear of the end. But all things end, and that’s okay.
> But yes, your life here IS important and HAS meaning, especially since it's the one and only chance you get to do well and be faithful so you can spend the rest of Eternity in the presence of the Heavenly Father and rejoice in having chosen to follow the right path. Yet, in the grander scheme of everything, this life we have will be nothing more but a stepping stone for us, and nothing more than a speck of sand when compared to the vastness of Eternity.
This right here is the crux of it, and it’s the part where the argument falls apart. The promise of religion requires the person to obey the laws of religion to gain the eternal reward, but it’s not that life is a speck of sand against eternity, it’s meaningless in the face of it. If an eternal afterlife exists, there is not a single thing we can do in this life to deserve it or deserve to be deprived of it. No crime we commit or great act we perform is meaningful in the face of eternity. There is no number or metaphor that can describe it, because it’s completely unbound by language or mathematics. You’re hoping that there is meaning in that, that once you break free of the shackles of linear time the real experience begins, but there isn’t. It’s all wishful thinking. Meaning is constrained by time, by space. You see this as a prison, but it isn’t. A sentence that goes on forever doesn’t end up saying anything.

I never took the covid vaccine so I still have plenty of time to think about it.

>>713716624
That’s the entire point my man, I’m saying that eternity is so completely antithetical to the human experience that to experience it is to no longer be recognizably human, or even alive. Eternity is the death of change, of meaning. All promises of heaven are just people imagining the greatest vacation ever.

>>713717449
Lucky. I was in a state that mandated it to be done or lose my job, and ever since I took it I’m unironically balding rapidly and I just started having heart issues. And this is as someone who works out daily and counts calories and does all that type of shit. I wish I could go back in time and just sacrifice my job and not taken that stupid shit.

>>713716456
The illusion of ego is what makes you consider that "you" HAVE consciousness.
You're an amalgam of cells that acts as a conduit of consciousness, when your animal dies, consciousness will find another conduit to express itself.

>>713717607
Yeah dude I’m sure the vaccine is making you bald, nothing else

>>713717803
"Your animal" is your entire being, bro. There is nothing else

>>713707741 (OP)
If I can't just BE the video game character instead of playing a video game then you can keep your afterlife.
That said gravity rush seems hella fun if made real. Also Portal and something like the ARMAs or Star Wars Battlefronts

>>713718061
Anon, I’m talking like within months. Like the density of my hair just changed from night and day. Not receding, just out of nowhere I woke up and people starting telling me the density of my hair was all fucked up. Outside of some serious medical conditions, that doesn’t just happen.

>>713707961
I know it's probably not real, because it makes no sense when you think about it. But I really, REALLY hope I'm wrong. I don't want the people I've lost over the years to be gone for good.

>>713718216
So to be clear, you took it 4 years ago when states were mandating it and you had such rapid balding that people pointed it out to you, but 4 years later you’re still rapidly balding? You just have that much hair or what? Don’t you think it’s weird that rapid balding has never been widely reported as some sort of side effect of the vaccine? You’d think the anti-vax crowd would pounce on that shit immediately.

>>713715129
Can’t you just sit and imagine for a moment that maybe in the end there really is an all-loving all-forgiving entity that will console you and forgive you for everything you feel bad about? That in the end all will be ok, all will be well, all will be at peace. That in the end you will be at peace, that all your dreams will be possible, that infinite goodness will preside. Why does the thought of that disturb you?

>>713707741 (OP)
I'm going to play League of Legends and it's going to be amazing. Nobody will rage or flame and we'll all say GG at the end.
The best part too? Everything is unlocked and completely free to play.

>>713707891
Going one billion years without novelty is a novelty because you've never done it before

>>713707891
IRL sure but I think it would be fun in a power fantasy setting, sort of like in Frieren
I can just hope the afterlife is a CYOA kind of deal seeing full dive VR will likely not be a thing during my lifetime

>>713717101
No one deserves Eternity since we've all done something at some point in time to fall short of the Glory of God and basically taint ourselves, forever cut off from that perfect standard He holds for us. But since He's All Good and Merciful, if we truly repent, He is Just to forgive our transgression and make it so our crimes become meaningless and forgotten about in the face of eternity, since, just like you said, no crime would then have meaning in the face of eternity. Great acts that are good in nature would still matter, as they stick with you into Eternity, and become part of who you are and what you have done faithfully that you can be joyful about. If you have helped people in various ways throughout life, and you end up meeting them in Heaven, you will both remember that thing which as been done and will rejoice in it, you because you know you have helped those people, and now you get confirmation for it, if you haven't before, and them, for remembering the times you have helped them when they were in some bad situation.

Your Soul is supposed to be Good, just the same as God is, but it's being corrupted by sin and tempted into becoming twisted and rotten, and the thing is, you can't 'fix' yourself there in the sense that you become perfect, best you can do is strive to be more like Christ, and that's all God cares about. He doesn't need you to be perfect, just willing to walk in the light and ask him for help and forgiveness when things don't go right.

The whole point here is that you need to basically have your Soul "cleansed" through your faith and trust in Christ, before entering Heaven, in the presence of God, who is all Good and Loving. You can't expect to just live life as you see fit doing all kinds of degenerate and morally repugnant stuff, then be allowed entranced in a clean place like that when in your Souls, you're all caked in dirt, grime and disease.

Hell is basically for those who chose to just indulge in this type of stuff.

>>713718393
No, anon, I’m just bald now. I mean it’s possible it’s not the vaccine, but nothing in my life changed from day to day where I suddenly just lost a scalp full of hair density so badly that I just had to buzz it off. To this day if I grow my hair out, it doesn’t turn black like before, you can see my scalp and there’s just big patches of hair density that’s gone. Maybe im just extremely unlucky, but it seems like any time you try to criticize the vaccine on most outlets or around others you’re just relegated to mockery and treated like a conspiracy theorist. I don’t know what else to attest it to, if I was balding in the Norwood sense I’d just chock it up to being a guy aging, but my shits all fucked up in a way that I don’t see most men deal with.

>>713718706
>I can just hope the afterlife is a CYOA kind of deal
Same. At the very least I hope that if there isn't an afterlife then at least your consciousness experiences another timeline due to quantum fuckery. I hope it's a better one next time.

>>713718424
It doesn’t! Why would it? If I’m wrong, this conversation we’re having is essentially meaningless. But I just want to point something out to you: there’s a reason you keep saying “in the end”, because even you who believes in the eternal goodness of heaven still recognizes that endings are unavoidable, inevitable parts of existing. I think it’s natural to fear that, but on some level everyone embraces the fact of it.

>>713718871
Alopecia areata seems to be what you have, and that can be caused by a number of things, and there are definitely men that have it. Women too! I get that people can be defensive of the vaccine, but it seems to have so many wild side effects attributed to it that it’s hard to simply take a story like yours at face value. What would even be the mechanism by which the vaccine made you bald?

I hate religious tard discussion every single time because I can only ever see it as a faggot expression of weakness. It doesn't matter of God is real or fake to me, a real God doesn't wrestle down possibilities so that only they are sovereign and will surely allow its creations to surpass it. I do not and will not ever live or die by the standards of another entity and I'd rather be sent to the deepest pits of hell than tolerate even a moment of their arrogant stupidity. Such gods are fucking joke and even my nothingburger of a soul could kill and rape such weak beings.
>Muh higher power
Do a flip, the circular suicide of God is the perfection of matter.

>>713718856
God is not good retard, at least Islam is honest about this.

>>713720103
Islam is literally a Satanic Pagan cult created by Demons through Muhammad.
You identify with it because you are being controlled by the same type of Demons who enjoy the pedophilia, general degeneracy and the call for murder and genocide that the Quran glorifies.

>>713718856
> Great acts that are good in nature would still matter, as they stick with you into Eternity, and become part of who you are and what you have done faithfully that you can be joyful about.
There’s not really any reason for this to be true, other than the hope that we do matters in the face of eternal life. Trillions of trillions of millennia into the future of the afterlife, and the memory of your good deeds on some 100 years on earth are keeping you joyful? That’s not describing a meaningful existence, that’s describing the echoes of a life.
>The whole point here is that you need to basically have your Soul "cleansed" through your faith and trust in Christ, before entering Heaven, in the presence of God, who is all Good and Loving. You can't expect to just live life as you see fit doing all kinds of degenerate and morally repugnant stuff, then be allowed entranced in a clean place like that when in your Souls, you're all caked in dirt, grime and disease.
This is my point, there is no amount of dirt, grime, and disease you can bathe your soul in for around 100 years on earth that could deny you entry into eternity. What was it you said? This life is smaller than a speck of sand against it. The concept of God by definition is so far beyond anything we can possibly imagine, forgiveness isn’t even a relevant concept here. It’s the paradox of the promise of faith. The reward of eternity is so all encompassing, so unbound by our concept of time that the idea that you could deny yourself entry into it through something as small and human as belief is patently absurd. But in order for the Christian belief to hold, people must believe that.

To be clear, I’m not advocating for being a piece of shit in your life, I’m not saying that since it can’t exist, you might as well be evil. In fact, I’m saying the opposite. What you do matters, because it is confined by the finite time you have with your life.

>>713708214
So why do you jump to something equally retarded with an assumption we believe that's okay? That shit is its own dumb cult.

The people adamant on heaven's existences are just setting themselves up with preexisting notions. It could literally be anything, or something infinitely more grand and complex. There's just no basis to believe a bunch of desert people got them nature of the universe correct lmao - especially when you can trace the historical, and political reasons such things were recommend into existing religious lore over time lol.

>>713719952
You are deeply troubled and in need to try and identify what's led you down this path of self exaltation to this degrees. Clearly you might have felt powerless or helpless at some point in your life, so much so that you now wen all the way around and try to overcompensate with such of ideas of somehow being above others, even Gods, when in reality, there are so many things you can't even actually do or are able to engage with, so how would you expect yourself to be above higher powers when you can't even things of lower powers through your own will.

I really hope you will eventually find a way to reconcile with your feelings and whatever's made you feel the way you do then seek out Christ and ask him to forgive you for having mocked and blasphemed him in such a way. You grieve him immensely. But even through this, He is still willing to help you, if only you were willing.

>>713720332
>You identify with it
Kill yourself retard, I'm just stating facts. God is objectively, and that means facts do NOT care about your opinion, in the wrong for creating this place and thinking they could still have a say in what happens outside of it. Evil cunt through and through suck my dick. Kill yourself, suck Satan's dick too, you pathetic small dicked entity.

>>713720801
Lol that looked like Billy Mitchell in your picture. What a self-servicing, main character syndrome tier rhetoric

>>713720801
I'm not reading any of that, kill yourself for sucking sky daddy cock.

What games now become playable with eternity on your side?

>>713707891
Disagree. I think that without the distractions of mortal life that force us to regularly look up and take note of the passage of time, the human mind could get lost in things for shocking stretches of time

The sheer notion that Judaic lore, laws and a reformer of their religion is the objective reality to the universe (especially on a planet with thousands of different cultures and faiths that existed before, and in tandem) and the fact that it's been revised so many times, makes all your preaching so silly.

>>713720793
Anon, newfags who accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being transsexuals were never coming to 4chan to have a genuine discussion with anybody. Especially when it comes to topics like religion where Reddit immigrants have been spamming pictures of overweight neckbeards since 2011 as if it's some "epic diss" that Proves a monotheistic deity exists.

>>713721027
Nier Automata
>it gets better after you finish the game for the fifth time!

I'm letting every Christ tard in this thread know that I've designed my very soul into a God killing bomb that will detonate on my death, any God dumb enough to pull me into their realm will suffer a terrible fate. I hope to fuck your dumb Christian God decides to make that mistake.

God is the weakest thing there is, the worm in the earth and of the earth.

>>713707961
I don't believe any ancient doctrines word for word but I don't discount the fact that they could've been hitting on something correct either.
>but it's insane!
So is dark matter, so are parallel universes. Our reality as it is scientifically measured is already insane. Our bodies are incomprehensibly complicated bio-computers, we still don't know how the electrical impulses of our brains leads to sentience and self-awareness.

Life is crazy. It is absurd. It is insane.
If you think the true story of the universe's creation is any less insane, you're the one putting blinders on. The only answer that can be correct is: who the fuck knows what else is out there, what happens to our sentience when we die, where our consciousness goes, or if there is more to existence than what we can physically measure.
Personally, I imagine all of our supposition is going to fall well short of the mark of whatever actually /is/, and then if it truly is nothing, well, you won't be able to feel disappointed about it so it's moot.

>>713721347
Why does anon HAVE to believe in y if he doesn't believe in x?

>>713721418
I doubt it really makes a difference what we believe, aside from how it impacts our own lives specifically.

>>713720883
God loves you and delights in you. He is your Heavenly Father and you are his child and creation. Like all good Fathers; He wants to help you. He wants to entertain you and make you happy. He wants to have a personal relationship with you, through which he teaches you, and helps shape you to the best version of yourself you can be, and that He knows you are, because he made you. Long before you were even born, you were already an idea in His head, and He made sure that everything in the World, even through all the trials and troubles, bad and evil and the good between them led to the moment where he breathe you into existence. Because he cares about you, and he loves you. You are uniquely His, and He loves you for it. He delights in you. And yet, because of that, He is saddened by seeing you end up the way you are, bound into all manner of degeneracy, debauchery and lies set up to try and distance you, His child, from Him, your Father.

Your opinions matter to him, your thoughts matter to him. Everything you had to say or do matters to him because you are His. I don't know where you heard a lot of this stuff that you are saying, or who thought you it. Perhaps it's even just knowledge put together from hearing it here and there without the deeper substance of it, yet that is a fake, made-up version of who God truly is. He is not punishing you. He did not make you to suffer. He knows exactly what you're going through and how you feel, every single time you go through any trouble in life, and you feel as if you're alone in it or no one understand your pain, God does. Because He is always with you, and knows everything single thing you're going through, and the way it makes you feel. He understands, and it grieves Him just as much as it does you.

There's clearly a huge gap here between you and Him. And there's even bitterness and anger at the way you conceive things to be like, but I'm telling you, it's nothing like you imagine it to be like. Seek Him out.

>>713721335
That seems kind of pointless if the Christians are right.

>>713722303
>He is not punishing you. He did not make you to suffer.
Look man I’m not him, I’m the one arguing against the meaning of eternity, but you have to admit the problem of evil and the problem of suffering is a very thorny issue for even the smartest Christian apologists to tackle. Simply saying he didn’t make us to suffer seems to dismiss the issue pretty flippantly. I’m sure you’ve heard it all before, why does cancer exist, why hurricanes and earthquakes and tornadoes are allowed to kill indiscriminately. It’s not simply enough to say that it’s because we live in a fallen world.

>>713722314
Why would they be? Theres a million different religions on this planet. They only got a stronghold on general culture as "the default" for western society because of the Romans. Not a single human religion got it right.

>>713707741 (OP)
>In heaven
Bayonetta
>In hell
Doom

>>713722972
Oh sure yeah, but telling the christians specifically that you’re making your soul into a bomb that will destroy God seems especially pointless. They believe God is all powerful, why would that threat mean anything to them?

>>713707891
human mind can't comprehend Eternity, if afterlife exist, time won't be a thing there otherwise the majority of people will want to die after a few thousands of years
>>713713223
you will get tired anon, imagine watching 10k movies/tv shows, reading 10k books and playing thousands of games, after a while will get boring and there's still eternity left

>>713723517
Nah I'd win

>>713707741 (OP)
Heaven isn't real but Hell is and everyone goes there when they die. There's only one God and His name is Lord Moloch, the insane demon god who hates everything good.

>>713723082
Infinite Doom wads sounds like heaven

But

Infinite Doom 2016 copy pasted chalice dungeons sounds like hell

>>713723902
The point is to make angels and demons uncomfortable by playing games where you kill them

>>713708214
History repeats itself

>>713722810
All that is based on the Curse of Death that's been put onto Humanity as a whole after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and were cast out of Paradise. God told them that they would die if they ate out of it, and that stays true to this day, because His word is The Truth. And the only way to triumph over said Curse of Death, and Death itself as a whole, is through faith in Jesus Christ.

Diseases exist as an evolution of said Curse of Death. Before, it mainly just seemed to be related to old age, but the more time passed on, the more it evolved into various other things that can lead to Death, which aren't fully related to old age, it's instead related to diseases and whatnot. And while it may seem unfair to be hit with such issues, even Christians in some cases are hit by them and you would think, even they might "Why am I being ailed by such a disease? I've been as good as I could?". It's not entirely reliant on your good deeds. You can pray for good health and whatnot, but you might still be hit by it, and it would be considered "just" in the sense of, you are still under the Curse of Death, so when it happens and how it happens to you isn't really the point, it's that it happens to begin with. The technicalities of it aren't as much the focus, as is the end of it in itself, which is death. So whether you die from a disease, or some kind of accident or natural disaster and whatnot, they all fall within that initial Curse of Death which God said mankind would be afflicted by if they were to go against His Word.

It's also why you're asked to mainly seek out God as soon as possible, because you never know if you might make it to tomorrow or not. You might end up being one of those whose Death under the Curse comes quick, or just late in life. You don't know, which is why you're asked to seek Him out and have faith, so you can be secure your Soul will be saved, and that in Death, you won't actually truly die, but instead, be resurrected, as promised.

>>713723172
>They believe God is all powerful, why would that threat mean anything to them?

Lord Moloch is all-powerful. He is the god that humanity truly desires deep down: an insane, malicious, hate-filled, spiteful god who doesn't discourage vices, but instead encourages them. Humanity doesn't want to be good, humanity doesn't even want to be human. Humanity wants the freedom to be monsters and indulge in evil. So they want a god that reflects the worst in them, not the best. Look at the world we're living in, look at the direction things are going, and tell me I'm wrong.

>>713723517
>You'll get tired
Then I'll go to bed.

>>713707961
This
I wish heaven was real

>>713712416
>Revelations describe that eventually God makes a new earth for us to reside but without sin
Uhhhhh but I thought that free will without sin was impossible?

>>713724483
That's why a world of pure evil is better. Everyone has the freedom to be the monsters they really want to be.

>>713724201
Anon, you're missing the other anon's point.

Christians aren't going to change their belief or behavior or accept an alternative interpretation of reality, that is the Molochian loosh-farm. Christians are like children in the playground who believe that "their" "God" is the best and strongest and invincible and so forth compared to any other "God".

>>713707741 (OP)
I'm not getting in to heaven so scratch that. If hell is like that Twilight Zone episode where you get everything you want I would probably act exactly like how I do in NEETdom right now which is
>play game for 2 hours
>get bored
>quit
>shitpost on /v/, coom, and watch youtube for 14 hours
If hell is some monkey's paw deal where I ask to play vidya and they twist the wish so I suffer then it'd be League of Legends

Not even a redditor, but you faggots actually believe any of this shit? this all just seems like extreme copium
>yeah dude life sucks and shit, but that's only because god wanted to give monkeys free will and because this anime villain who is weak and insignificant compared to god is still powerful enough to corrupt god's creation, why did he allow this? Idk dude

>>713724201
Well, Satan is literally the God of this world. It's specifically why goodness and Christianity is general is being mocked since you are saying, doing and acting in such a way that is completely alien to the rules of this World, that a response like that is the only thing they have for you. God's Kingdom if not of this World.

>>713724792
Imagine being such a hateful person that this world that was given to us is seen as evil and sinful. I hate that fucking rhetoric. People are the ones who bring evil to the world.

>>713707741 (OP)
Dark and darker

>>713724723
Exactly, they want a god who will smite everyone they hate, even if it means they get smote too. They don't want a kind, loving, forgiving god. If Jesus returned today they'd hate him for being brown and talking about healing the sick and feeding the poor. They've invented their own Jesus, one who hates the poor and preaches violence as the solution to every problem. And that Jesus is just a finger puppet, on Lord Moloch's finger.

>>713724191
The problem with the curse of death is that the Bible has explictly talked about how the sins of the father cannot be passed to the son, but it’s also talked about how sin can be generational in its impact. Apologia tries to reconcile this, but in truth it’s not able to square the circle. The suffering is arbitrary, it’s inevitable, and the ancient Jews knew this. The book of Job was an examination of problem.
>The technicalities of it aren't as much the focus, as is the end of it in itself, which is death.
This is poor comfort to the person that dies from painful cancer when they see the person that dies peacefully surrounded by loved ones. Death is inevitable it’s true, but suffering is not when there is a God that supposedly performs miracles for his children, and therein lies the problem.

>>713724792
The entire cosmos is Lord Moloch's Kingdom, His to corrupt beyond repair just because He can.

>>713725547
Your lord of the rings tier monsters and villains aren't real. It must be nice having convenient forces of evil to blame shit on rather than accepting it's people who are evil

>>713724483
Free will but without the desire or capacity to sin perhaps
Like elves from lord of the rings or something

>>713726036
Everyone should aspire to be like a Saturday morning cartoon villain, who openly embraces being evil and commits evil for the sake of evil.

>>713726116
Seems like a paradox

>>713722303
Not reading that shit fag. I do not care about other spiritual entities when my faggot nobody ass is the only form of sovereignty I'll accept. Answering to anyone else is pure cuck behavior, you're pathetic.

>This thread again

>>713726308
Wait how can both Christians and trannies both be supported and what do you mean you can't disprove a tranny being born in the wrong body?

>>713707741 (OP)
Hopefully games from heaven. Heaven would have my dream games while hell would only have junk similar to the pozzed shit we have now with constant cheaters online, and it will be torture.

>>713726234
Sin is not a necessary component of your soul though. They are, rather, corruptions

Sex becomes lust and perversion
Jealousy allows you to hate your loved ones
An instinct to protect yourself is twisted into greed or violence
adoration of the of the lord and holiness turned into adoration of material things


Is your soul really more complete with a desire to goon to furry hentai?

>>713726553
The world is big

>>713707741 (OP)
Halo 3 custom games with my big bro on the couch and all the kids from school/neighbourhood are on while pizza pops are in the oven

>>713726721
Yeah but the entire world as a whole doesn't support both Christianity and trannies so that makes the graph even more retarded

>>713727085
This isn't smart as you think it sounds

I'm going to play Violated heroine 2 in heaven for eternity

>>713726670
Sure, but the feelings that can create sin are necessary components. Anger is part of you, as is sexual desire. If you live in a perfect world, will anger simply not exist? Does the pain of effort no longer exist?

>>713707961
>I AM EUPHORIC

>>713727872
Gotta love reddit, it gave christcucks the perfect way to respond to atheists without actually trying to defend their jewish fairytales, why embarrass yourself by pretending that angels are real when you can just say reddit?

>>713727582
Anger is normal feeling. Righteous anger is not the same as sinful anger. Sinful anger can become vengeance, sadism etc. righteous anger is described a lot in the Bible.
Love and passion is normal too, but wishes that do nothing but glorify pleasure of the self are not. Sexual desire for example in its purist form is oneness and passion with your spouse. Sexual desire with no love and done for pleasure itself leaves you feeeing shitty and hollow for a reason
In heaven there probably is no sex or anything either unless we do live like humans in the new world.

>>713707741 (OP)
fuck you

>>713728262
>Anger is normal feeling. Righteous anger is not the same as sinful anger.
In a perfect world, what point in there is righteous anger? So why would it exist? Would a completely normal feeling just cease to exist in heaven?

Imagine wanting to play BF1, a game with no movement and so many retarded casual mechanics in it for an eternity. Hope that retarded faggot goes to hell.

>>713708090
>NO YOU MUST WORSHIP SOMETHING

>>713707741 (OP)
mountain blade: eternal perfection edition

>>713707741 (OP)
Heaven has none of your hobbies. It's just an eternity of singing praise to God. That's why (You) will never make it there. (You) choose video games over loving God.

>>713707891
You feel that way because you feel the passage of time. There is no sense of time in the afterlife. It's why people who pass and come back say that they couldn't tell how long they were there for. 5 minutes, or 50 years, it felt like both.

The thing about the afterlife is that there is no past, and no future. You perpetually exist in the present state. When you're unable to exist in the past, you're unable to experience monotony. Stuff NEVER gets boring, because stuff becoming boring is a function of Time+Experience.

Anyway I'm pretty sure that you can just create your own personal rendition of whatever it is you want to create in the afterlife, but it probably won't be some video game. It'll be more like "I wonder what it would be like to be a WW2 soldier", and then you can just simply become that WW2 soldier for while.

>>713728152
Don't need to defend anything when I am correct and that is not influenced by others' incorrect suppositions.

>>713728623
Normally yes. You are more or less "programed" to believe on higher entities.

>>713707961
Unfortunately probably correct.

>>713729031
no you're not, there's no biological benefit for it.

>>713728838
This. Go listen to the guy that said he went to hell because he played video games.

>>713727582
Those are aspects of the flesh anon, not the soul. When the lord remakes the world, he will give people new bodies, without those sinful aspects of the flesh. That's what it means by a "perfect body".

>>713728963
>just ignore the fact that i was raised as a christian

>>713728379
The point was we can have free will without having the capacity to sin

But to answer your question; You would need anger if you ever did encounter something that opposed what was good, or threatened you. Or perhaps it’s just part of something larger. Who knows, maybe you’re right and we don’t feel anger due to not encountering something that would make us angry. But it’s still a part of free will

>Literally copious amounts of reports of people experiencing real after-death things
>Yeah, no it's totally all fake bro.

Fools.

>>713729129
Yes there is, to find ( or make it up) a meaning to things you dont understand/control

>>713728623
Yes, that is by design, even if you're not aware of it. Even now, you are currently worshipping yourself and your own sense of intelligence as superior as you keep yelling about "sky daddy" over and over again to try and make yourself look better than others. You worship yourself, you worship vanity.

>>713729395
>When your brain gets fucked up you start seeing things
Holy shit who could have guessed?!

>>713729448
No I don't.

Hope i can get my alien gf till then

>>713729395
Wich reports, afterlife? reincarnation?
It´all copium to deal with the fact tharee is nothing aer life annd thee need of an elevated meaning to your life

>>713729395
>no one would lie

>>713707741 (OP)
Rain World.

>>713707891
>I'd probably be bored of living by the time I turned 200 if that were an option.
I'm already bored of living.

>>713729395
I've been listening to quite a good chunk of NDE testimonies as of late and it's extremely eerie how similar they are in concept and things they have seen and experience. Both in Hell and in Heaven.

Something I specifically really liked about Heaven is the fact every single child that was aborted, stillborn or died here on Earth is actually still alive in Heaven, being taken care of by God and awaiting their parents return, where they will get to live out their life as a child and finally grow up raised by their family, but now in a state of perfection with no Sin to destroy anything. It completely blows out every single "clump of cells" argument out there.

Also, you will meet all your animals that you have taken care of throughout life or interact with, and they can speak to you. Not verbally, but through telepathy basically. You can hear their thoughts and understand them, and they will let you know of how they truly felt about you and all the things you have done for them on Earth. It's very nice.

>>713729794
Animals don't have souls so they don't go to heaven.
t.bible

>>713712416
sounds gay

>>713729794
Wow man that’s crazy
Any NDE’s where a man with two dead wives gets to just have both of them or is that not chill in heaven

>>713707741 (OP)
Battlefield 1 operations mode runnign 30 stable fps on ps4 makes you realize how retarded vidya optimization is nowadays lmao

>>713729906
you didn't read the bible

>>713729794
>wishful thinking

>>713729794
99.9% of everyone is going to hell though??? Including most Christians, myself probably included.

>>713729984
I haven't yet heard any that specifically says anything about that type of situation, but in general, dynamics of relationship won't be exactly the same as here on Earth. Like, you would no longer be spouses since marriage in Heaven would no longer exist as a concept. But that personal bound you have created between each other here on Earth, will continue up there in Heaven, and you'll still feel close to each other. And since there won't be any jealousy or malice or anything like that, your wives would likely end up as friends or just completely understand the need to made just be with one of them for a while, before just being with the other one since time also won't exist as a concept anymore, so technically, you could spend something that feels like 10 years with only one of yours wives, doing whatever, before letting her do her own thing and spending another 10 years with your other wife, and neither of them will notice it's been that long simply because time no longer exist as a concept, so nothing would feel like it would go to waste, or that somehow the other wife is getting more attention than the other.

>>713729794
>There are grown ass men that believe this

I'm not giving a shit about video games in heaven.

>>713726308
Nobody supports Christians. It's all about sucking Muslim dick nowadays. or (((theirs))).

>>713730540
>One of the biggest religions in the world
>the dominant religion in america
>the fucking president is a christian
Jesus fucking Christ you yearn to be a victim, eat a cock loser

op doesnt need to wait for heaven
once ea deems it so they can just pull the plug
i'll be heaven on earth for that little fag

>>713730395
If you’re not experiencing time, you’re not experiencing anything.

>>713718102
Where does consciousness come from?
Use only peer reviewed sources, thanks.

>>713731846
It comes from your Soul, and it was peer reviewed by the fact that every single living being, on conception, sparks a quick flash of light that can be observed under careful observation through a microscope. It's the beginning of life and the birth of the Soul and your consciousness as a whole.

>>713726116
Ok so just make that from the beginning lmao

>>713732019
Sorry man, ensoulment happens when you take your first breath

>>713732019
There is no birth of "your" consciousness.
You are borrowing from a greater whole. This is the function of a "soul"

>>713707741 (OP)
I want to float for eternity in the void watching space

>>713707741 (OP)
>can't play H games in heaven
>don't want to go to hell
how do i win?

>>713731846
It’s just emergent behavior from your brain. People who have brain damage or Alzheimer’s exhibit changes in personality.

>>713732905
You repent of your desires of the flesh. There is no sex in heaven.

>>713733103
what kind of answer is that?

>>713733103
>Gives me a dick
>Get banned for using it
Someone should tell this retarded dev to get his shit together

>>713732382
you have free will to choose between good and evil, therefore you have a consciousness that is uniquely yours to go along with that free will, which shapes the things you choose to do and not do in life.

>>713733282
you can user your dick within the confines of marriage with your wife here on earth like God intended. when you go to Heaven, there will no longer be need to procreation, thus, no need for sex anymore either since those desires are a craving of the flesh, and when you're in Heaven, you're no longer in the flesh, you're in the Spirit and no longer desire such things, especially not since what God has to offers you would feel infinitely better than any type of sex here on Earth could ever offer.

>>713723837
>Heaven isn't real but Hell is
you're already there

>>713733282
>Designs you while having knowledge of every sin you will ever commit
Fucking bugged free will mechanics

>>713733548

>>713733509
That just sounds retarded, why even give people a penis in the first place?

>>713707961
Retarded niggers like you belong in Hell

>>713711623
After you, 2016 tourist

>>713733645
Well that isn't very christian of you

>>713707741 (OP)
I recently had a dream about this. Not much to say about it other than in the dream, I was on the computer that had a large hologram screen above it that was showing the game I got invited into. That game was Wildstar but it was different and more fleshed out. I was excited about it and I kept messing around with the options while people around me were busy with life stuff. A small group of people flocked around me to either give their two cents or just watch me through the hologram screen. I remember getting called to do some basic scout work and that's where I got off the pc to do some basic scouting work.

I was super excited to see and play Wildstar the hole time.

>>713733609
So they can reproduce. God knows it's pleasurable, and it's allowed within the confines of marriage, and it's what he wanted Adam and Eve to end up doing to populate Paradise at some point before their fall, since they weren't Dead yet at that point, they were very much alive. And that still stays true to this day, He still wants us to populate while here on Earth. But the moment we died, then get resurrected in Christ, we are no longer alive in the Flesh, we are alive in the Spirit, thus, no longer needing to abide to the confines of Sex, which was specifically designed for the living to spawn more living, not for the Ghosts to spawn Ghosts.

Also procreation won't be necessary in Heaven anymore since there will be a love of children left over in there to take care off, mainly from the ones who died young, from those who were aborted or stillborn that procreation won't be required anymore. You will still get the joys of being a parent without the need for procreation.

>>713733509
>when you go to Heaven, there will no longer be need to procreation
Great question to bring up here, if a husband and wife go to heaven, can they not have another child?

>>713733573
>Can God make a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it?

>>713707741 (OP)
When I find out someone genuinely believes in abrahamic mythology I start treating them like a child because mentally they are

>>713733976
>He HAD to make humans reproduce through sex bro there wasn't any other way the literal smartest being in all creation could come up with
Look at this shill excusing terrible balancing issues

>>713733976
> Also procreation won't be necessary in Heaven anymore since there will be a love of children left over in there to take care off, mainly from the ones who died young, from those who were aborted or stillborn that procreation won't be required anymore.
Seems fine for the first few hundred years, then what?

>>713734209
Idk bro, they forgot to write that part of the lore

>>713733372
Freedom of choice has nothing to do with nonduality of consciousness itself.

>>713733991
The children you have here on Earth are the children you will have in Heaven, and it's very much likely that if you want, you can just 'adopt' new ones into your family from the millions of children from throughout the ages who died young and went there, but whose parents never made it up there because they're in Hell. God could pretty much just help you pick the best child possible that would suit the type of unique personality you have which would best match so that to make your connection to them the best it cane be as you help them grow up in Heaven.

>>713731846
Your brain, retard.

>>713735219
There's no peer reviewed source that even comes close to proving that, retard

>>713733573
>having knowledge of every sin you will ever commit
can god exist in deterministic universe?

>>713735281
What? Any basic Biology introduction class teaches this. Are you utterly fucking, clinically retarded?

>>713707741 (OP)
Homm3.
Yes, I'm Slavic.

>>713735405
Then you'd easily be able to provide evidence proofing this without a shadow of a doubt, and the conversation would be moot, then I would happily concede.
But because you remember your retarded teacher telling you this from an outdated textbook in sixth grade, I'm the retarded one, sure buddy.

>>713734209
>for the first few hundred years
time won't exist as a concept anymore bro, you won't feel a need for it, you won't perceive it, you won't even think about it, it will not bother you, and at every single moment you'll just be engaging in endless things to do that will keep you entertained forever.
>i wanna go learn how to build stuff?
okay. do you want to just immediately 'learn' how to do it, or would you like to gradually get better at it? which to do prefer more, chose and then you can immediately do it.
>what if i get bored?
you have unlimited and endless opportunities to work on all types of different buildings, with all types of different building materials, all of which you've likely never seen before and always feel like something new you get to interact with
>okay, but what if i just get bored of building in itself somehow or i just feel like doing something else?
you just do that, you can immediately decide to go and learn how to do something else, or immediately be knowledgeable in it with the same kind of process i just mentioned to you.
it's unlimited potential. you can do whatever you set your mind on, even the things you couldn't down here on earth.

>>713735104
And then when those children grow up in heaven, will they be able to have children of their own? Or will they just be waiting for more abortions to raise? Or what happens when judgement day comes, is that just it on more people? The number of human souls hits its peak and then we just exist in the bosom of God forever?

>>713735581
What if I want to try my hand at being God and create my own civilization

>>713735545
>Then you'd easily be able to provide evidence proofing this without a shadow of a doubt
You sound confused. Everybody knows consciousness comes from the brain, there is no debate about this. It's a basic fact that everyone, but apparently you, is aware of and ackowledges.
What is being debated, is HOW the brain generates consciousness, not whether, you utter fucking troglodyte.

>>713707891
I got bored of living at 27 already

>>713735918
Yet not a single shred of evidence.
I accept your concession.
I'll even be better than you, and skip the retardation accusations.

>>713733976
>Spouses reunited, and for the men, yes, there are houris (eternal companions with perfect beauty and modesty).
why is heaven in Islam so much less gay?

>>713736242
>Yet not a single shred of evidence.
Literally open any basic biology book, you imbecilic little cretin.
I can see why you're still confused about all this, given that you seem literally brainless.

>>713733808
Says who?

>>713736242
Getting shot in the head deleting consciousness seems pretty conclusive

>>713736910
Me, your God

>>713735760
Said children likely won't feel the need to be parents or have children of their own due to never experiencing that kind of yearn her on Earth to begin with. Also, yeah. The souls hit their "peak" and we just exist in the bosom of God, forever. The bible does talk about there being a New Heaven and a New Earth, but what's here will still continue.

Like, think about it. Procreation is basically for the sake of continuing on the human race on this current world, but if death is abolished through resurrection and on the New Earth, there's no longer a need for procreation to further perpetuate the population.

>>713735853
I doubt you might feel that here, but there ARE positions in Heaven similar to Mayors and whatnot where certain people, according to their abilities, are assigned to oversee certain districts within Heaven and whatnot, just watch over people, the same as it would be on the New Earth, where certain people would be in charge of overseeing various parts of the world like presidents and whatnot do nowadays.

Regardless of that, you can still "play God" here on Earth without it necessarily being malicious by engaging in creative arts, either such as drawing and bringing certain character to life, or just writing stories with new worlds in it, akin to what Fantasy does and all that.

>>713707741 (OP)
>Melee
Jesus Christ

>>713707741 (OP)
Why would anyone actually believe theres a magic afterlife after you die?

>>713707961
Deep down, nobody actually believes heaven exists. It's just a cope to keep people from going insane over their fear of death

>>713711647
Imagine needing jewish superstitions to give you a reason to live

My personal Heaven is being the Demiurge

>>713737842
>Like, think about it. Procreation is basically for the sake of continuing on the human race on this current world, but if death is abolished through resurrection and on the New Earth, there's no longer a need for procreation to further perpetuate the population.
Kind of a shockingly brutal view on the purpose of procreation. What if people wanted to bring new life into being so they too could experience the love and care of God? What if they simply love the idea of having a child to raise once more after all the abortions and miscarriages and abandoned children have been raised to adulthood in heaven? In your mind it seems like the only reason we have procreation is to keep humanity alive long enough for judgement day to arrive.
>I doubt you might feel that here, but there ARE positions in Heaven similar to Mayors and whatnot where certain people, according to their abilities, are assigned to oversee certain districts within Heaven and whatnot, just watch over people, the same as it would be on the New Earth, where certain people would be in charge of overseeing various parts of the world like presidents and whatnot do nowadays.
Explaining that the afterlife has actual hierarchies is wild, why would you want that? You talk about having perfect bodies and souls in heaven but what, there are people more perfect? Why would heaven even need districts, that sounds like a distinctly human invention. Does heaven have borders? Does it have customs agents too?

>>713707891
You don't know what you'd be like in heaven

>>713739089
Heaven has districts because it has Mansions. Just as Jesus said. There are hundreds if millions of mansions in Heaven, worked on by the Father and prepared by Jesus for those who come to and believe in Him. Heaven in itself has a city within which God resides in the same as he had Jerusalem here on Earth, before it fell away, then promised to bring in a New Jerusalem down from the Heavens upon Christ's Second Coming. There's a certain degree of Hierarchy not because others are somehow "better" than others, but because each person is unique and through the sum of their traits and personalities, have a certain type of job they're good at doing, or designed to exalt at. It doesn't mean they're "better" than someone else, it means their purpose is just different. Hierarchy exists because society as a whole still exists in Heaven. You will be in the company of family and friends you had down on Earth, and you will get to meet new others while there as well. The structure of society still exists since you couldn't have such interactions without it.

Hierarchy exists for Angels as well, which is mainly grouped in three: Scribes, Warriors and Guardians.
>Scribes
They take care of things like legal matters and chronicling the history of people down on Earth and their lives so they can properly fit it within the Book of Life. And if said people do not fit there, it is so their deeds in life would be read at the White Throne of God.
>Warriors
They're the ones who mainly engage demons in Spiritual Warfare, with Archangel Michael being one of the most know within this certain field.
>Guardians
Are the Angels who are assigned by God to every single human being that is conceived and living down here on Earth, looking after them and protecting them as necessary and when needed, and who will be up with you at the Last Judgment to testify for the things that are being read, and acknowledging them as being as they're written, which are always true and perfectly preserved.

>>713738157
>Pascal's wager is a philosophical argument advanced by Blaise Pascal (1623–1662), a French mathematician, philosopher, physicist, and theologian.[1] This argument posits that individuals essentially engage in a life-defining gamble regarding the belief in the existence of God.
>Pascal contends that a rational person should adopt a lifestyle consistent with the existence of God and should strive to believe in God. The reasoning for this stance involves the potential outcomes: if God does not exist, the believer incurs only finite losses, potentially sacrificing certain pleasures and luxuries; if God does exist, the believer stands to gain immeasurably, as represented for example by an eternity in Heaven in Abrahamic tradition, while simultaneously avoiding boundless losses associated with an eternity in Hell.[2]

>>713738157
Because the alternative is cringe. Imagine living for no reason and returning to the void. No thanks.

>>713708278
City building games
Given an eternity I supposed I could build quite an interesting world, maybe I would want to send myself in to that world with no memory to experience it first hand

>>713740338
>Hierarchy exists because society as a whole still exists in Heaven. You will be in the company of family and friends you had down on Earth, and you will get to meet new others while there as well. The structure of society still exists since you couldn't have such interactions without it.
lmao is capitalism still in heaven
Will New Jerusalem have a stock market
Why should heaven be a city anyway? Why not a village? Or simply a countryside where everyone can live peacefully? Why should it reflect Jerusalem, is it also in a desert climate? My problem here is that the more you details you try to hammer out about an afterlife, the more human influence and fallibility becomes obvious in its design. It becomes specific and thus less universal, and for a God that is universal, that’s a weird thing to do.

>>713736502
None of them confirm this, its mere postulate with no evidence.
You'd know if you ever attained an education higher than high school.

>>713707961
>made to contain illiterate retards from millennia ago
Actually illiterate retards from a millenia ago made it up to contain their betters.
Self understood rulers have no use for a religion that actually insists they debase themselves before a 'higher power,' beyond the right of the stronger and the better- or that they will be judged by a higher power.

>>713740412
Lol

>>713724483
Lucifer is actually a time traveler from the endtimes and went to the beginning of time to sabotage God.

>>713737375
You have no evidence to support that consciousness is "deleted" at death.
You're just assuming that.

>>713738157
>>713738219
For me it’s pretty simple
>did the world create itself?
No, even if we could observe the Big Bang, or generated life straight out of a test tube, it wouldn’t make me believe that God doesn’t exist. I believe that a soul, or willpower brought this world into existence

>why Christianity if there’s 1000000 other religions

Because Christianity is the only one that truly feels holy. Every other religion feels inherently human. Like giving Gods massive dicks that impregnate other gods or making them straight animals. In Islam, heaven is described so materialistically, with rewards for the faithful being sex with wives, slaves and a giant mansion, essentially human desires. Buddhism is close but states that perfection is achieved through a state of no longer desiring. This is false, one can never be without desire and anyone who claims otherwise is lying. Desire is good, it’s what brings life into this world. From the animals desiring to live to man desiring to build art or something magnificent. God too, desires, and desired to create the world. The Old Testament lays down this foundation, tells us of sin and is completed through the sacrifice of God himself, creating a path to him.

An infinite god sacrificing himself to allow a pathway from an imperfect world to a perfect world makes sense to me >>713739089

>>713741959
>complains about literally every single thing while clinging to every single instance of Earthly notions he can possibly thing, who completely cease to exist in the afterlife because he literally cannot imagine himself in a scenario where none of those exist anymore and nothing is bound by the same rules they are on Earth
Every single thing you find yourself to complain about will seem like actual Heaven the moment you're being sent down to the pits of Hell and will spend Eternity in Darkness, getting raped and gutted to death over and over again to the point both your souls and body are destroyed before they immediately reincarnate and you're once again immediately raped and gutted over and again until the end for the rest of Eternity.
Every single thing that you are scoffing at and mocking and trying to "disapprove" with limited knowledge bound within the confines of this World will not matter in the slightest, and in fact, will be used against you in Hell to further torture you and remind you of the times you were being a complete fool trying to rely on your own understanding of things instead of God's. It will feel even worse knowing your forever severed from His Glory, despite Him always having been there for your all your life, waiting for you to turn to Him, but instead, you would rather try arguing against what He has to freely offer you based on 'facts and logic' and Earthly notions that won't stand up to anything once you're dead and none apply in the Afterlife.

>>713708090
>EF(ourth )L negro from Uganda

>>713742671
Got tired of the carrot so you went for the stick, huh?

>>713727872
You are dysphoric.

>>713742763
It's what you're begging for, and what you'll get as a result of worshipping your own self and "intellect" above God.

Doesn't the bible say heaven is just standing around praising God for eternity?

>>713742595
>did the world create itself?
Sure, why not? Particles come into being all the time, arising from quantum foam before annihilating themselves with their antiparticle pairing. It’s always the question “why something rather than nothing”, when you can also ask “why not something? Why should it be nothing?”

The Lie:
>Videogames are [...] inherently sinful

The deal is that once the purpose of a tool is fulfilled, it goes away. Once a plague is eradicated, the precautions and (trigger warning) vaccines and cures are unnecessary and to be discarded.

>>713742595
who created god? :-)

>>713743246
your mom

>>713707741 (OP)
How am I going to take my games/mods/configs collection to the afterlife? I hope they have some kind of computers there, and maybe we can download games directly from the Akashic Records.

>>713742926
Am I begging for it? Or am I just asking you to consider the ramifications of what you worship? Does God want blind loyalty? Is your God a God of fear or is he a God of love?

>>713707891
it's a different form of existence, this won't be a problem

>>713726553
>what do you mean you can't disprove a tranny being born in the wrong body?
Well, prove women can't have penises. Christians already believe that a wafer is achshually literallly human meat and it's just their lying eyes making it seem it is not.

>>713743369
He is a God who loves His Creation and is a Father who yearns to have a personal relationship with His children, whom He delights in and wishes to help shape to the best versions of themselves that he meant them to be.

I'm angry over being forced to go to church as a kid, ruining my gaming sesh's. What of it?

>>713743567
Fathers don’t threaten their children with endless rape and evisceration for questioning his word.

Hypothetically if God decides I was good enough I’d like him to recreate persona 4 golden in reality so I can be a persona protagonist. The other characters would be ai so it wouldn’t be immoral. I mostly just want to feel what it would be like being a Japanese high schooler with nice friends and hot girls to date. The girls can be aged up to 18 if that’s the problem. If a full on isekai is asking too much I’d settle for an ai but physical rise kujikawa wife who is gorgeous like in the game.

>>713707891
Pure cope, I'm afraid

>>713743673
that's because they're imperfect :v)

>>713743673
He's not threatening anyone. Hell is literally the thing every single person deserves for engaging in degeneracy, debauchery and general sin since it's basically criminal activity that goes against what God made us to be.

Do you also consider it a threat to be plainly told the facts that you're going to jail if you ever rob, rape or murder someone? Are you being threatened by the Justice system with prison time to not do those? Is the only reason you don't engage in theft, murder and rape because you're afraid of what will happen to you if you do and that's it?

You just have the plain information of it that if you commit a crime, you're going to prison, and then you personally react to that information with fear even though nobody threatened you. It's literally just information you read to have knowledge on and if you immediately felt threatened by that, it speaks more volume on what type of persona and personality you have than anything else.

I'll enjoy a sequel to all my favorite games that never got one
>paper mario after ttyd
>dragon's dogma
>prototype
>maximo after 2
>mercenaries
>plenty fucking more

>>713707961
So we just die? *sigh*

>>000000000000000000000000000713744335
>Hell is literally the thing every single person deserves
Nah, just you.

souls are real but religion isn't

>>713743246
God is beyond what is material
He is an all powerful consciousness
I believe a soul existed before material

>>713740823
Why do NPCs automatically assume this is the only alternative? Is it because there is a void in their skull?

>>713744441
In heaven there is no Nintendo copyright so we will have infinite romhacks shat out by holy god fearing autists with infinite time, tendies, and the best computers possible

>>713745049
>a bunch of repelling and attracting bits couldn't have occurred on their own
>but the bestest being EVER could

>>713742595
Shut up christcuck.

>>713744335
>Do you also consider it a threat to be plainly told the facts that you're going to jail if you ever rob, rape or murder someone? Are you being threatened by the Justice system with prison time to not do those? Is the only reason you don't engage in theft, murder and rape because you're afraid of what will happen to you if you do and that's it?
The nice thing about the Justice system is that it has appropriate and proportional punishment for each crime. Whereas Hell, it doesn’t matter if you were a horrible person or just didn’t buy what christians were selling, the result is the same: rape and degradation and violence forever and ever. I’ll be gutted over and over again for all eternity because I “worshipped my own intellect over God”

How come all the people who came back from the dead said that they saw heaven and their loved ones and none of them come back saying that they saw hell?

>>713745616
Why would bits be there in the first place?
Matter cannot create itself, this whole quantum particle phasing in and out sounds like cope

>>713745617
lol you mad?

>>713745849
You probably go to heaven first to be judged
I think it says that in the Bible somewhere

>>713745786
>because I “worshipped my own intellect over God”
Yes, that is called Idolatry and you are engaging in it every single still you exalt yourself over God and think you somehow know better than Him despite being limited in everything there is from your intellect to physical strength. If you were, you could literally just will yourself into doing whatever, but you can't.

>>713746087
Who created God?

>>713746886
>you are engaging in it every single still you exalt yourself over God and think you somehow know better than Him
I’m not sure I’ve claimed to know better than God, but I do claim to know better than you. You’re not God, right?

>>713708683
No you couldn't. In this imagined version of heaven, game developers would still exist and be making games. If anything, you'd never play a game made by mortal hands ever again.

>>713747023
God is willpower incarnate, a soul in an image similar to ours. He existed before the world. Anything before that I don’t know. We’ll find out when we get there.

>>713719431
I don't believe for a second the dude went bald cause of the coof vaccine, but in theory, heart problems are often linked to stomach problems, which are often linked to hair loss. So if he wanted to put it on the anti-vaxx boogeyman, he could go with that angle.

>>713707741 (OP)
mmos that went out of service, except they have lots of players and they have dedicated dev teams fixing their flaws and adding new content

>>713708278
Modded Skyrim provided I could just keep modding it for eternity

>>713713693
>if you're an atheist that means you're exactly like this one random redditor I found
you people really have no arguments other than name calling and "muh faith" do you?

>>713746195
Iirc in the Bible you go to Sheol and sleep until Judgement day but people don’t like that so they kind of just ignore it

>>713748712
Actually I do remember seeing some guy talk about having like crohn’s or some similar disease and his hair just started falling out in patches yeah. Interesting stuff.

I remain agnostic. I don't believe in any one particular religion and have no reason to believe Christianity over African folklore or Islamism or Judaism or anything like that, but it also feels like when we go "Heh, when you die it's just nothing, same as it was before you were born" or "You just reincarnate into something else eventually" are all answers that are too simple and made to comfort us in fake knowledge. Is the universe ever really that simple? There's always some shocking revelation right around the corner and there is still so much we don't understand and will never understand within our lifetimes. It just feels like hubris to believe that it's finally in early 2000s where we have all the answers and safe assumptions figured out about afterlife and the existence of any deities or deity-like entities. Even if Humanity were a continuous species that kept building on its previous knowledge, I don't think we'd have all the answers by 500000000 AD.

Something that bothers me is the idea that the universe is cyclical and after we die we just wake up and relieve the same life again. Forever. I mean, is that bad? Is that good? I guess I can keep enjoying my favorite vidya for the first time, but there is something uncomforting about that thought. I can't tell if it's more or less comforting than the idea of the void.

>>713745849
Your body releases DMT when you're dying as a pain relief measure. This also makes you trip balls

>>713746886
Why didn't God make man incapable of sin then? Is he retarded? If he literally created humans, why did he decide that some percent of the population wouldn't believe in him or would be predisposed to acting in a way that dooms them to an eternity of torment?

>>713750161
>Something that bothers me is the idea that the universe is cyclical and after we die we just wake up and relieve the same life again. Forever.
There’s at least some comfort in knowing you’ll see the people you love again. And probably some devastation that you can’t save them from their fates.

>>713723517
I hate this image

What a stupid false dichotomy.
The world is the only thing that is NOT illusion and it cannot be saved

>>713750552
For me, it's actually not so bad, but I can't help but think of like, African starving babies and shit. Or a baby that just wakes up and then gets choked out by its crazy mother. Really? They have to relieve that over and over again?

Obviously just a scenario I made up in my head. It's no more or less likely than the void or the more traditional forms of reincarnation. But it keeps me up at night sometimes.

>>713707741 (OP)
Holocaust Architect

>>713750257
Free Will is not Truly FREE unless you're allowed to choose between doing both good and bad things, and the ability to choose whether you wish to believe or not, despite not concrete "proof" being shown to you.
Also, you don't have to actually do bad things, in fact, if you do get tempted to do them, you can simply just choose not to do them. But it's hard, pretty much impossible to do so at times through just something like 'sheer determination' , which is why you can then choose to either believe, and ask God to help you not do something you know it's bad, that you don't want to do, or just choose not to believe and given in to doing whatever it is you don't want to do that ultimately does nothing but perhaps give you pleasure in the short there, but nothing more than misery and emptiness in the long term.

>>713707741 (OP)
>it suck's

>>713707741 (OP)
Probably FFXIV (Dawntrail doesn't exist in my Heaven), Palworld, and Smash Bros with my wonderful boyfriend Astolfo. When I'm not playing games with him, I'll probably be exploring my heaven with him, going on dates with him, or having sex with him.

>>713750801
>Free Will is not Truly FREE unless you're allowed to choose between doing both good and bad things
why

>>713751192
Sorry bud, no sex in heaven apparently.

>>713717449
>>713717607
I was still a kid when my redditor dad forced me take the vaccine.
My heart's been hurting so much lately. It hurts so much I'm amazed I haven't keeled over yet

>>713752298
There’s thing you can do where you can go to a doctor and ask if your heart is going to explode

>>713750801
Not following, if god is omnipotent he could just like, create a world where there are no bad things. So it really just sounds like if god is real, he's a complete maniac who gets off on finding reasons to send people to hell.

>>713707891
>>713718706
>>713718892
Real talk I actually think about this a lot and this is why I lean towards Oriental religions involving reincarnation as closer to being "correct." Not only is everything finite but a perfected existence forever is not only impossible to define but would probably never stay satisfying. Bad things literally give the reason for why good things are good... there is probably a fancy and non-retarded way to say that but whatever.
I am ex-Mormon and am now entirely ex-Christian because I found out my 2 favorite tenants were Mormon exclusive,
>We are not here to be "tested" and then go to the afterlife forever, the next life is another set of trials, as is the next life, and the next, and the next... they will all be different but all existence is an endless path of progress to become closer to godhood.
>Even hell isn't really hell, it's actually just a further setback. No matter how far you fall, no matter how badly you fuck up, even if you end up in literal hell, there will always be a path for redemption whenever you're ready to attempt it again.
From my own personal resource, Joseph seems like he was a huge fucking fraud though. I'd say that all the Abrahamic religions are so damn stupid. I will never accept a religion that promotes genital mutilation anywhere in it. I don't even care that Christians removed it in a patch (and the American ones added it back in anyway).

>>713723517
i've played thousands of games and do find games rather boring as a result, very few games aren't just obviously a different game done worse, but i play the entire game to see the point that it justifies its existence, which never comes
sometimes i envy all the tasteless /v/iggers that have only played skyrim and dark souls because they still have a whole world of great games to discover

>>713707741 (OP)
Astlibra Revision
Super Metroid

Ask God with all my heart to erase my memory every time I finish these 2 videogames so I can replay them every single time for the first time.

I love Astlibra Revision and I love Super Metroid from the bottom of my heart. Thank you videogames.

>>713707741 (OP)
imagine if all these video game universes are real and you meet all these people in heaven

>>713753407
Oh yea and Zelda A Link to the Past, even better if the Super Metroid + ALTTP romhack is also there in heaven

>>713729794
>it's extremely eerie how similar they are in concept and things they have seen and experience
there's a strong cultural aspect to that
NDEs in China commonly report being greeted by a heavenly bureaucrat who tells them there's been a mix up in the divine paperwork and they're not meant to be dead

>>713729129
>no you're not, there's no biological benefit for it.
What the other anon said + believing that nature is perfect is a fallacy. There are many features to our minds and bodies that have no benefits or are even detriments to well being, comfort and survival yet persist anyway. Some traits passed on simply because they got lucky, not because they were superior, dominant, or even the best for the environment. They were simply carried other traits or just got lucky. To believe otherwise is basically believing in intelligent design.

>>713753932
Would be much funnier if that happened to a random white person in Wisconsin.

>>713707741 (OP)
Tekken 3 with the boys, Battlefield 2 online.

>>713707891
You'll start doing very weird things haha

>>713753932
This still works within Christian context though. One of the jobs of Angels is known to basically be as scribes and just documenting the lives of people here on Earth, save their deeds and history for when their time comes to have it read at Judgement by God.

well anons what would (You)r ideal afterlife be?

>>713753956
>There are many features to our minds and bodies that have no benefits or are even detriments to well being, comfort and survival yet persist anyway.
that's because god is testing us :)))

>>713707961
>BRO its just endless dark void of nothing you will spend eternity with nothing but your thoughts for a trillion years aint heckin soience awesomesauce?!?!?
What a happy fucking outlook you guys have bravo atheistards

>>713754624
The information that was (You) becomes part of a greater whole. You instantly become aware of everything and everyone, every thought and every mystery. Your greatest moments and worst porn searches revealed to everyone else in the whole. They don't care though, they're just information too.

>>713754835
It's not a depressing outlook on life, it's a factual one. I'd rather not delude myself with some happy bigboy party in the sky because it's not real. Why would anyone willing believe in something that isn't real?

>>713751361
Because if you don’t have the ability to choose “bad,” then “good” becomes meaningless. It’s just obedience, not morality. Free will implies consequence and agency, not just selecting between pre-approved options on God’s divine Happy Meal menu. If you walk through life in a padded room where nothing you do matters or can go wrong, you’re more of a pet than a person.

>>713754962
>factual
Facts have evidence to support them, can you produce proof of this niggervoid of darkness?

>sends 90% of the world to infinite suffering for infinite amount of time because he's all loving and forgiving

>>713755075
>Free will implies consequence and agency, not just selecting between pre-approved options on God’s divine Happy Meal menu.

Oh ok so I choose a personal paradise for myself without the necessity of God

>>713707741 (OP)
not even a christfag or other normalfag religious

>>713754835
>nothing but your thoughts for a trillion years
No one said anything about having your thoughts.

>>713711450
if you forced this question instead I would reject it. I would demand a pc that could not run the executable for any known game so I would be forced to create my own.

>>713755851
Get to work then.

>>713756071
You won’t even think about it will you?

>>713750801
this is a lie btw
every christian branch agrees that to come to god you require his grace, which only he can give you of his own volition and which you can never earn through works
christianity itself asserts that you WILL sin because of your fallen nature (which he knew would happen) unless god goes out of your way to save you specifically, and believing you can simply choose to be with god is literally heretical (pelagianism)

>>713756312
God is omnipotent (which includes omniscience). Whether you are going to Hell or Heaven was known as long as God has existed and long before the creation of the universe. God is the author of the play and also all of the actors.

>>713756312
I don’t think this is wrong but I am fairly certain the Catholic Church emphasizes faith without works is dead

jesus died for our past and future sin
so instead of wasting away his sacrifice make sure he didn't die for nothing

>>713756312
>"Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment."
You literally have the choice to believe in Christ and follow his commands and you will be granted eternal life. And if you have doubts about your faith and whatnot, you literally just ask God to help you in your unbelieve and put you back on the right path. On top of that, you are speaking with bitterness over something you consider "unjust" within your own Earthly view and notion of things. If things were completely "Just" you wouldn't exist anymore, you'd just be gone, but since God is Merciful and Patience, He is willing to allow you to just live your life as you see fit until the Death takes you, in hopes that you'll seek him out. And if you believe there are people predestine to Hell, it's still only "unjust" in your mind, again, based on Earthly notions. God is sovereign over all creation, so at the end of everything, whatever He does choose to do is Just and Good and True, just as He says, and you will be made completely aware of this all and understand it upon Death, when you are being judged.

>>713756812
Catholics have a dumb way of going about it because it reinforces the ideas that you NEED to do good works to earn your Salvation, when Jesus already said no one can earn Salvation through their works since that and Grace are a gift freely given by God to those who wish to accept it. Good works are meant to be something that stems FROM your faith and dedication to God. If you are in God, then He is in you, and through that, He will begin a good work in you, and from there it just keeps going and going. Faithless people can still technically do "good" things, but as said, it's a counterfeit one, that while on the surface looks good, on the inside it's a work born out of some type of personal desire, whether selfishness, self exaltations, hoping to receive attention and praise for it and so on.

>>713754835
You will not have thoughts. You will not have anything. You won't care because you don't exist.

Why doesn't God just let everyone into heaven?

If you really wanna be fair keep a purgatory for the real big cunts.

But what's the point in torturing people forever?

hopefully the EverQuest servers are pretty solid

>>713757358
>you WILL be nothing, and you WILL be happy chud

>>713758480
>you WILL be nothing, and you WILL be happy chud
No you won't. You will be nothing and feel nothing, like a rock.

>>713754624
id like to study the World. Just the ability to observe life would be really neat i think. Watch people live their lives in the ancient past, watch major events unfold, see the values of those who came before and after us.

Or i could be a participant in that world, wandering endlessly

>>713757348
>And if you believe there are people predestine to Hell, it's still only "unjust" in your mind, again, based on Earthly notions

That is such a shitty handwave you're basically saying you're being judged on criteria you were intentionally not given the ability to understand.

>>713757348
Bit of a tension between believing in Jesus Christ and following his commands. You seem to be (not intentionally I don’t think) arguing the latter isn’t really necessary as long as the former is true and real.

>>713757706
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>713759253
believing in christ and following his commandments are one and the same choice. if you believe in him and you love him, the you will keep his commandments. if you don't choose to do your best and follow them, you might as well not believe in him.

>>713756893
There are lots of people who died like Jesus (some arguably worse), went to hell, and are stuck there instead of getting to leave. Why should I feel bad when he got off lucky.

in heaven they finished the Too Human trilogy

>>713755152
Yes, every time you go unconscious you see blackvoid.
>but unconsciousness isn't the same
You're right, it's just a demo.

>>713707961

>>713752896
it all makes sense when you give up the notion of the self being an immutable entity that can persist eternally. More likely we're all just part of some shared dream, we can't really cease to exist because we don't exist separate from everything else. We're like an ocean and each consciousness is just a wave in the ocean, but it's all the same water

>>713757706
He's not personally torturing anyone. You're going to Hell based on your own free choice to be there by engaging in degeneracy and debauchery. Demons are the ones torturing you and you get there by your own choice based on your lack of faith in Christ, meaning you reject the need for a Savior, then the way you live your life is what seals you to Hell. Hell is the sum of all the sins you've engage with and partook in throughout life, that seemed enticing and entertainment down here while you were still alive, but upon dead, they will be nothing but filth and torture to you, as your soul escape your body and it returns to the form it was meant to be, made in God's image, Good, Just and Merciful, but you're not with God, since you choose to worship and please yourself and your flesh among everything else, so no you just get to have Demons have their way with you, engaging you in every single thing you have engaging in throughout life that was detrimental, and your soul will no longer enjoy it since it sees sin for the disgusting, putrid thing it is. It will be excruciating and it would be as if you have worms crawl all over you, and even worse things. And it will happen over and over again for the rest of Eternity because you personally chose to be there since you love doing those things so much in life and were never willing to turn away from them and seek God for Salvation from them.

>>713759536
You would think that, but belief and actions are not intrinsically linked and this is proven right by the past two thousand years of Christian history.

>>713760420
Not him but the intended understanding from that contradiction is that a lot of these people are not True Christians (tm)

>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Christianity is gay btw

Reminder that Hell as it is portrayed today is fanfiction invented by Italian and English poets.

>>713759991
If god is all powerful and he allows demons to torture you, then it’s happening because he wills it to. No human no matter how well informed can understand what eternity means, only God can. He’s like a father watching his child pack his things into a cloth sack and taking off into the woods, fully knowing the child will be dead within 48 hours. And God is acting like the child made a valid choice, and has no intention of stepping in to save them from themself.

>>713760606
Which is pretty much the crux of the Catholic faith without works argument.

>>713730387
Based calvinist

>>713757706
It's funny.

>>713761298
Yeah but the father has been telling the child not to go into the woods since he was born, he made sages and prophets write a huge book on why his son shouldn't go into the woods, and yet the son still goes.

>no wars in heaven
As a God-fearing American who follows Andrew Tate and other alpha males on Twitter this sounds like a pagan shithole.

>>713759991
>You're going to Hell based on your own free choice
see >>713756626
Your "free choice" was scripted from before the beginning. Arguing otherwise is blasphemy btw so you caholicucks better pray to Mary or the Pope for forgiveness.

>>713761714
There are hundreds of prophets and books of different religions all selling the same thing. If there really is a loving God that wants everybody to know him, he'll descend from the sky and tell us which one is true. That doesn't happen because Christianity is no different from the religions that it calls false.

>>713713223
Thats good for the first 100k years or so then what?

>>713707961

>>713761714
>my dad is so good that instead of telling his child to not do things, he writes it down so that his servants can tell his child in a note
kek

>go to heaven
>play flawed human made vidya instead of perfect heaven vidya

>>713761925
proof?

>>713761714
>sorry my son but you still touched the stove after ignoring the note to say not to, you know what that means
>eternity in the microwave!

>>713762393
epic post, xir! here's your gold and positive karma!

>>713762453
What’s karma?

None so I don't have to deal with the same shitty bot-like players.

>>713707961
this. we should just have no hope and die in filth.

>>713707741 (OP)
>there’s video games in heaven
>they add earth cross play

>>713763770
There’s dignity in the finite anon

>>713761982
There'll be another 100k years of media by then, likely far above and beyond what we have now.

>>713713223
i was a germaphobe and shut in before covid it just legitimized my lifestyle that everyone now copies
like 2 months into covid i stopped by to pick up food at a bar and everyone was just chilling without masks and it was crowded. just people are dumb and want to self delete

>>713707891
well it won't be a human mind, it'll be your soul. Your body is simply being piloted, effectively.

>>713707961
Nobody is going to stop having faith in things because you're super fucking mad your parents made you go to church one time as a child.
>but religion le holds humanity back
Humans hold humanity back, the vehicle through which we do so is entirely irrelevant. Atheists are already turning science into a religion, complete with priests and unquestionable dogma. You are not superior christians and you're not brave for attacking them, I'd love to see you tread the warpath towards any other religion, take a crack at getting some muslims out of religion.

>>713761714
The book is full of shit and contradicts itself, so good fucking job?

>>713707961
Atheism, especially monist materialism which dominates western atheism, is just as unprovable and unverifiable as theism, and 99% of the reason why someone has faith in anything is due to the inherently flawed aspects of the human mind clinging to some kind of meaning or context to its existence.

Take the anti realist pill

>>713766085
>seeking meaning or context is a flaw
lmao fuck off

>>713765126
Stop using that retarded strawman.

Why would I be spending my time in the hereafter doing the only thing I could manage to avoid facing hell when I was still alive?

Not sure about the rest of you, but if I die a virgin, I am officially getting laid in heaven. Hopefully God will grant me that much. That, and a sense of belonging or a place I can finally call home.

>>713766085
If God and heave exist, He is not going to let you agnostics through the pearly gates despite you insufferable cunts so desperately wanting to differentiate yourselves from atheists time and time again. Not that I'm advocating for a belief in religion based purely on possible recrimination, but...

If you dumb fence-sitters are going to burn in hell regardless, may as well pick a side and not be pathetic about it.

>>713766251
I wasn't saying that seeking meaning is flawed, I am saying we seek meaning through an inherently flawed perception and mind to piece together information, information which is infinite while the length of our lives and ability to retain said information is finite.

This isn't saying "don't seek the truth" just remember that anyone too convinced of the truth is delusional. Most people are unable to question themselves or change their mind and it's very difficult to do so for the people who can. You should seek the truth, but most people don't earnestly do so. They instead profess to *know* the truth already.

>>713767095
Agnostics are just passive, lazy atheists.

>>713766971
>He is not going to let you agnostics through the pearly gates despite you insufferable cunts so
One, I was raised extremely religious and I know that if virtuous pagans can get in then so can I lmao. I still have a conscience so by definition I still have the holy spirit trying to guide me on the right path as defined by Christians. Also, the vast majority of people do not go to hell. Hell is the total separation between you and God you don't just go there on accident , and even if you sin it is actually difficult to go to hell. The vast majority of souls according to the vast majority of Christian sects go to purgatory not immediately hell or heaven. The only people who are "confirmed" to be in heaven are the saints, apostles, Mary and Jesus. Some Christians don't even believe that hell is eternal, mostly among the Orthodox afaik, and that it is possible for a damned soul to be redeemed after death

>>713767196
I'm not an atheist or an agnostic, Ibut I don't necessarily believe in the Christian concept of God either. I believe that there is a divine order to the world but that divine order is ultimately beyond my comprehension due to the complexity. I believe that souls exist and that the material reality I perceive is not fully "reality" as is, hence anti realism. There is no such thing as a mind independent reality that we can truly comprehend , and this is what I comprehend currently.

>>713766764
Dude just have sex lmao

Prostitutes
Asian massage parlors
Get some social skills so women aren't repulsed by you

>>713763934
>every single AI across all of video games is actually people in heaven playing video games

>>713729448
the christcucked mind is literally LITERALLY incapable of living in a world where they don't worship something, i don't expect you to understand

>>713770217
Everyone worships something even if they aren't conscious of doing so even if it's just themselves

>>713770451
No, that's your braindamaged perspective.

>>713767196
It is a mathematical certainty that there is at least one "Clarkean" entity in this universe (A God, for all intents and purposes). You are right though, in a way. It takes an extreme level of ignorance to believe that there are no "gods".

>>713771268
No.

>>713764593
Unfortunately, you'll have long picked up on the simple fact that all media is derivative. There will be new things, but you'll have seen it all before. Nothing will be truly new for you.

>>713707741 (OP)
I dislike the concept of an afterlife, good or bad.
All happiness and suffering is sourced from desire; suffering is when a desire isn't met, and when it is, another desire takes it's place. Thus, a person who has every luxury in the world the instant they want it and a person who has no expectations or desires for luxury are on the same page. Really, all life is about mitigating suffering.
A dead person is insensiate. They do not feel pain, or desire warmth and pleasure. They never feel bored, or long for the past, or mourn an unfulfilled dream. They will never miss the dead and living they will never meet, or wish to see the world that passes without them.
I'm certain by the time I'm 50 I'll be bored of being a human. Having to be myself for an eternity would be hell, however pleasant it may be.
The unthinking dead enjoy an eternity of perfect peace.

>>713770821
No that's just your unconscious self denying its own existence. Atheism just replaces one God for another every single time. There is no truly rational way to understand your existence and monist materialism is an emotionally biased figment of your imagination just as much as Christians and their concept of God

>>713771574
No it's not.

>>713707741 (OP)
How would online games work in Heaven? Would people still be able to shit talk each other? Would people make death threats to each other for laughs because everyone's already dead anyways?

>i want to be an eternally singing, smiling and laughing thing with no free will for eternity
Why?
Heaven sounds scarier than hell

>>713771896
you will have free will and everything that makes you uniquely who you are is still there, nothing changes aside from the fact you are saved and put in a glorified state of being, free from the bondage of sin.

>>713707961

>>713754624
id like to imagine life on earth is a voluntary, temporary stint in a horrible hellworld prison to make you appreciate the limitless sandbox afterlife more
it'd pretty much just be an infinitely scaled gmod sandbox server where you could fuck around however you'd like until you felt like forgetting and starting over
id definitely go to gm_construct first

>>713772043
stop bein a homophobic transphobe. love is love. and jesus say to love one another like you love yourself and your neighbor, he said to be meek and turn the other cheek. you must accept for what they are as he made them.

>>713745616
You either believe in an eternal being/consciousness or eternal matter that goes against our very understanding of how anything works (something that can't come from nothing), being a sciencefag is just as superstitious at its very core. At some point, you are dealing with an eternal element that started it all.

>>713772380
>you are dealing with an eternal element that started it all.
it was my mother.

>>713707741 (OP)
in between the ogres skinning and boiling me, I would probably like to play Warioland 3

>>713742087
More like the intelligentsia ie the priestly class came up with all of it to keep both the aristocrats and the peasants in check. Just like how the woke shit nowadays come out of the universities and both the rich and powerful and the average joe have been subjugated to it.

>>713771527
That's already true now, yet I still enjoy new things even knowing they're derivative, sometimes outright copies and reproductions.

>>713772554
I forgot to add, I am not sure why I would even want to play vidya in the pure land either but you guys do you.

>>713772043
the irony of cuties being made by a muslim

>>713771574
see what i mean? you don't, and i don't expect you to understand because you are deficient

>>713772043
all the stuff on the bottom happened in a world with god fearing and god worshiping people everywhere
cuties was made by a religiouscuck btw

>>713708278
Eragames.

>>713707741 (OP)
Russian roulette with god using an automatic. I'll let him go first.

The only thing that awaits us is the eternal void.
Same as before we were born.
I wish it weren't so, but it's the undeniable truth.
Anything else is just cope.

>>713773132
niggas be staring at microsoft excel sheets like these for hours on end and then go "oh yea, that was such a got nut to that line of colored text!!"

>>713773285
Ye.

>>713707741 (OP)
>super stink bros: smelley

>>713707961
tpbp.
It's cope for peasants who accomplish nothing.

>>713772915
No I see what you mean , because I used to be exactly like you

>>713707741 (OP)
RE:Outbreak with all the trolling and shitty camaraderie included.

>>713742108
It appears that Taoism is still gigabased

>>713773584
No you didn't. You think you did but for you it was about finding something to feel smug about and superior to.

>>713773750
No you're just projecting. I was an atheist

>>713707741 (OP)
MY DEATH IS LIKE A VIDEO GAME

>>713742108
what the fuck is a 'neutral afterlife' ?

>>713774138
you rape yourself with the worst possible ending after playing a story driven RPG single player game for hundreds of hours and then knowing there's absolutely nothing you can do to go back and change things or "fix" them in order to get a better outcome? yeah. seems about right.

>>713772125
that's called reckless indifference
making people quit behavior that destroys themselves and others is an act of love

although many people on our side have forgotten that it should be done out of love, not hate

>>713773285
>>713773132
unironically my fattest nuts have been to text games, second to actual sex
I don't think this is just some autism thing (I don't have autism), it's just that there's no limit to the imagination

stat sheets are so good

>>713773890
No, you were unsure for a time. Its not the same.

>>713772043
>der curvenfruten
mindbroken

Can some hecking fun atheists on this thread tell me why the hecking celebrities do this funny symbol all the time?

>>713776297
There's like ten different hand gestures in that fucking picture, plus just random images of the eye of horus. Are you retarded or something?

>>713757706
there are people who genuinely believe this, it's called universalism and practically as old as christianity itself
the idea is that obviously god, being the greatest good, wouldn't be so incredibly stupid as to give you an infinite punishment over finite transgressions
so you can burn off sin in purgatory and ultimately everyone ends up in heaven, the difference is how long it takes for people to get there

>>713707741 (OP)
Morrowind. It's Heaven, so Aetherius Rebuilt, the sequel to Mundus Rebuilt which is the sequel to Nirn Rebuilt which is the sequel to Tamriel Rebuilt will be in a fully playable and perfectly stable state

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CHRISTIAN! GOD DOESNT EXIST!

>>713707741 (OP)
Based Operations enjoyer

>>713750161
The void is only really a comfort if you consider that everything stops once it goes in. By contrast the samsara allows for more potential towards cosmic storytelling. Cataloguing the rise and falls of a thousand empires and their peoples. Build up enough of a library and play them out in real time to draw comparisons seeing if the reality has learned those lessons or simply repeats the same mistakes for eternity. Just with greater scales of collateral and suffering over the last one.

>>713707741 (OP)
heaven is supposed to be paradise, which to actually be paradise would have to be tailored for every individual. Which means video games would have to be there for those who consider them to be paradise.

>>713707741 (OP)
>Plays a game
>you lose
>you sad
>suddenly disqualified from heaven
>gets thrown to hell for being sad.
Sorry, only happy pill mf are allowed in heaven.

>>713753932
>given a number and told to wait until you are called
>Anubis processes your application and lets you through
>goes to have lunch with St Pete and Grim

>>713707741 (OP)
Dota 2 before it got redditified

>>713729129
there literally is lmao

>>713729906
>>713730016
The irony of goyim arguing whether or not animals can go to heaven

>>713729129
>not taking that +25% buff to PSY and morale for your armed forces
Ngmi lad

>>713738219
I don't fear death although I fear reincarnating back into this universe, or a similar one.
Non-existence or heaven for me, thanks

>>713780792
In heaven whatever you used in your life to be content is not needed.

>>713763934
So that's why that enemy always crits you on first hit. He's in heaven.

What would I tell you if a good number of the people you're playing with are actually dead right now. I mean there's actual dead people playing the game right now because heaven's got both vidya and internet but we're actually not supposed to talk about it because of some NDA bullshit that'll get them sent to Hell if it leaks out

>>713781949
>game was rigged from the start

>>713728623
It's unironically what subhumans believe to be true, yes.

>>713707961
>they hated him because he told them the truth

>>713728623
Yes

>>713726308
SHALOM MOSHE

>>713735305
>can god exist in deterministic universe?
The universe IS deterministic under every abrahamic religion which makes the christcuck insistance on people having free will all the more silly.

>>713707741 (OP)
it's like these christfaggots never read the bible. All you get to do in heaven is sing about god and praise god. That's it, it's always been just another kind of hell.

Well even if heaven is real, what makes you think you'd get in ? Everyone ITT clicked the Pragmata threads, so everyone is already cooked.

>>713707741 (OP)
We're inside a video game right now just like in our past and future lives. I hope the next one has fewer wars and semi-peaceful just like this one.

Real talk heaven does sound kinda boring. Better than the alternatives at least but what are you gonna do for eternity?

>>713707961
This line of thinking has led to twenty percent of white men cutting their dicks off and wearing dresses

>>713783585
There is nothing in the bible against what you're suggesting. If anything its all for it.

>>713719952
NPD

>>713707741 (OP)
>Heaven
Mario 64 and Tony Hawk Proskater

>Hell
An awful live-service game with terrible characters and the other players have aim-bots.
And Superman 64.