Thread 713723341

Just dropped, what's the /v/erdict?

>>713723341 (OP)
>Nightdive
Pass

Shitstem Shock will never be good
Looking GlASS was a meme studio that deserved to tank
(((Ken Levine))) should have been stuffed in an oven before he ever got the opportunity to shit out any gayms

>>713723341 (OP)
it's just mods slapped on top of the old games lmao.

How can we make the "immersive sim" genre popular?
It seems like they are doomed to underperform

It's made from mods and they changed nothing in any sort of gameplay form. Please pirate it. They do not deserve your money. It's an actual scam.

>>713723397
This keep your political beliefs to yourself dont care where anyone stands

>>713724697
I've come to expect developers giving unsolicited political opinions. It's the "you should literally be killed if you vote for the wrong flavor of Jewish puppet" shit that I can't abide.

>>713723397
>>713723870
>>713723903
>>713724329
retarded niggerfaggots out

>>713724697
This keep your political beliefs to yourself... unless it's something that aligns with mine of course, then i'm gonna leave a like and write "Based and redpilled"

It's okay. The new graphics are pretty good, though Hybrids are too smooth looking for my taste. They haven't really done any rebalancing so the core gameplay is identical (for better and for worse). However, apart from touching the game up for modern systems and improved (?) multiplayer, there isn't much reasons to get it over the original so if you already have it, only get it if you want more multiplayer

>>713725169
it really is just mods slapped on top of it. that's it, that's the remaster you pay for.

>>713728695

Go ahead and post a single mod that changes the lightning/videos, even models like the game does. Or just concede you've no idea what you're talking about

>>713725169
>

>>713728978

Yes, the game uses community mods because those put a shitton of work over the years to polish it. What's also true is that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE MODS CHANGES THE GAME TO THE SAME EXTENT AS THE REMASTER DOES.

Load those fucking mods into base game and you'll see that it's not even close to looking the same as the remaster

>>713729429
>we also rebaked the lighting with double the resolution, that will be $30 + tip

>>713723341 (OP)
Dead on Arrival like all remasters.

>>713729692

Oh so you're conceding your original argument was completely bullshit and now you're stuck moving the goalpost?

>$30

Should've preordered the SS remake as I did

>>713723341 (OP)
fuck nightdive I will never give them another cent.
I don't know why you would pay for this instead of downloading the exact same community patch for free unless you just really like seeing game names in your steam library (autism)

>>713723397
oh damn, they just earned themselves a sale

>>713723397
I wish people would hate Trump for the correct reasons and not the completely made up bullshit

>>713723341 (OP)
>open an ini file with notepad
>modify some number to allow more resolutions
>generate some HD textures with AI
>drag and drop them over the og ones
PAY. US. BIGOT.

>>713729965
>remake
nta but kill yourself

>>713730137

>nta

Sure, sure. By the way, I finished the original SS long before your father decided to move on from fucking roadkill carcasses to inseminating your mother with a lunchbox, a decision that weighs heavily on everyone

Aliens Vs Predator remaster when?

>>713729965
i didn't argue shit, i only posted the mod list with le meme arrow and it got you all defensive
this "remaster" is a fucking joke even by nightdive standards, most of it IS in fact mods. there are barely any kek engine improvements, not even dynamic shadowmaps are in
>preordering anything
oh, it's an actual retard

If you ever want SS3, you owe it to Nightdive to buy the SS1 remake and SS2 remaster.

>>713723341 (OP)
For the past year or so ive been asking all the time when that thing is gonna release and everybody always said never ever.
So when exactly did they announce a release and why did it release out of nowhere?

>>713731702
Not gonna happen cause of Tencent having the rights to SS3

It's bad.
>why
Because it's NEW and OLD GOOD NEW BAD
Also some irrelevant politics thing nobody with an IQ over 40 cares about

>>713730345
Honestly I want a Wolfenstein 3d or RTCW remaster from them.

>>713723341 (OP)
The only good part of System Shock 2 is the GamePIG

>>713723341 (OP)
looks fun but reviews says its unoptimized
shame

>>713732760
it's bad because charging people for free community mods is the scummiest, laziest shit I can even imagine. it's shocking. only the dumbest subhuman retard in the entire world would see this as an acceptable purchase.

>>713723341 (OP)
>demaster

>>713723397
I couldn't care less about the retarded american political shitflinging. I get games I like, left or right, do not care

>>713723397
link?

>>713723341 (OP)
Did they fix all enemies endlessly respawning on a timer? That shit doesn't belong in a horror game with limited resources.

>>713723397
The CEO is from Portland. Its not exactly surprising.

>>713733396

I normally hate that but the mob spawns aren't as common and resources are plentiful. As long as you're not playing on Impossible and learn the wrench dance to conserve ammo (at least until roughly halfway through the game), you're going to be coasting through

>>713732990
Yeah, classic Wolfie needs more love. You should play Brutal Wolf 7.0 if you haven't yet. It's not about the gore, but rather the gameplay editions and faithful level re-designs that I enjoy so much.

>Nightdive's dreams of rebooting the franchise have ended in a wet fart
Who would a thought that a series that only ever achieved cult success would never catch on

>>713723397
>muh identity politics
why are fagmericans like this?

Already finished it. Decent overall. Don't like the new enemy models but that's about it. If you want specifics about what changed I have a laundry list of them.

>>713723341 (OP)
Is it out on console too already or is that coming later? If yes how is it with a controller? Inventory management specifically.

>>713723397
americans are unironically the most politically retarded pathetic faggots in the entire world. they'll do everything to tear each other down over politics but WON'T DO SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE

>>713725169
What kind of advertisement tactic is this?

>>713737042
They delayed it to 2 weeks from now
Inventory management looks hard with a controller. I can grab one and tell you how bad it is

>>713733396
>limited resources
the respawning enemies drop resources

>>713723341 (OP)
No point in playing this when cyberpunk77 exist

Nightdive is woke so not for me

>>713733396
You want healing? Go back to med sci and farm nanites or hypos. Find the device that takes misc items and converts them into nanites. Don't die.

>>713736960
>If you want specifics about what changed I have a laundry list of them.
Tell me, brother
The only Shock game I've played and finished in the 2023 remake of the first

>>713737153
>2 weeks
Makes sense I guess cause consoles usually charge for patches but PC doesn't. I just hope crossplay works. The bigger my coop pool the better.

>>713725169
It's a thread about a pointless remaster. It only exists to get deservably shit on

>>713737176
I recall most of the hybrids dropping Jack Daniels and sodas. But since I typically play OP melee builds, I'm fine with that.

>>713736960
I need to know.

>>713737934
>1 soda
>1 broken shotgun with 1 shell
Eventually I just stop checking most enemies.

>>713737934
they drop nanites sometimes

>>713738109
>broken shotguns
That was the other thing. I think you can get a skill or psi-power to deconstruct junk into nanites, at least. This was one of the best upgrades to take in DE:MD, too

>>713737508
>>713737994
I will in a few minutes

>>713737579
Okay I just tried it. The controller is fine for moving around and shooting but for inventory management it's bad. You can bind psi powers to LB + ABYX or weapons to RB + ABYX by hovering over them in your inventory and pressing Y and then moving down and selecting where to bind them to. It's pretty cumbersome. You can definitely beat the game with just four weapons or psi powers but the real problem seems to be that you can't bind items to use like medical hypos which is almost essential for regular play

>>713734715
he's from portland and there studio is from southern washington state

>>713723397
lol get fucked commie troons will never buy your games

>>713738504
NTA, but I'm also interested in whether Nightdive made any adjustments to any of the audio diaries or ingame text to wokify or 'fix' anything. Hopefully not.

>>713738504
I pray these retards touched on Exotic weapons.

>>713723341 (OP)
I had tons of fun with the remaster of the first one. How does this game compare with the first one?

>>713738504
Not having at the very least a fast way to use med or psi hypos seems criminal. I don't suck at vidya so I can deal but still. Thanks.

>>713738785
SS1 Remake was an actual remake
SS2 Remaster is just a modpack and some QoL stuff

>>713723397
He's actually right.

>>713723397
based mule

>>713723397
He's actually wrong.

>>713738504
Right so some specifics. These will be a little more general at first

>Mods confirmed to be in use by Nightdive include SHTUP, SCP and SS2 400
>Audio options for dialogue captions
>Cap FPS, ambient occlusion, bloom, anti-aliasing graphics options
>Controller support on PC
>Melee swing assist option. No idea what it does though. Maybe improves hitboxes while meleeing
>Language options for interface / captions French, German, Italian, Spanish
>View and weapon bob options
>Voice chat built in
>Multiplayer still has a cap of 4
>LAN still available as a multiplayer mode. Tested it and can actually use a single computer to run 4 instances of the game for multiplayer this way
>Still share items in multiplayer by dragging them to the player or dropping them
>50 achievements. Most seem generic though like reach energy skill 6 and such
>Game vault on menu which has artwork, manuals, the prima walkthrough guide, cutscenes, the soundtrack, unused voice lines, interviews and promotional videos
>Technical tutorial now includes a small section about security alarms
>Replicators have a new thank you voice line (may have previously been unused)
>Cutscenes are at 1080p up from about 240p orginially
>Can find the cutscenes in the game folder as well just like the original
>3.7 gig game size

>journo playing SS2
HOLY FUCKING KINO

>>713723397
they got themselves a sale

>>713738585
I haven't found any so far. They added back some unused stuff, plus you've got the Vault on the menu for more unused lines.

>>713739287
To be fair melee combat in this game is very janky.

>>713739242
No tweaks on weapons or upgrade costs?

>>713739242
>Cap FPS, ambient occlusion, bloom, anti-aliasing graphics options
>Controller support on PC
unforgivable sins, didn't read further

>>713739242
>You can still access the console by pressing shift and ; There are appear to be cheats but the commands don't seem to be listed anywhere
-The four announcers for the UNN recruitment facility / yearly postings have changed. They generally retain their original sound, for example the Texan guy who acts as a weapons trainer / marine recruiter
>Main menu scrolls binary code more convincingly
>All help terminals on medsci deck removed from the game or at least I didn't find any
>15 save slots (up from 13) in addition to game duration they also have timestamps and can be renamed
>Contextual display box appears near items / devices. Further contextual information display boxes appear when using a controller
>Some fog effects added, especially near the Regulators in Hydroponics
>New icons for all inventory items
>MFD button in use mode changed to an image of a person
>New weapon models but the same sound effects
>Weapon reload animations added. They usually don't play if you press reload too rapidly
>Restored SHODAN audio log about testing her patience, similar to when she complains as Polito that you move slowly. I believe this plays in the Recreation deck Garden
>Items like medical keys and power cells are automatically used when you click on their associated devices
>Security computer hack requirement seems to be lowered to 1. Need to check impossible difficulty to confirm
>Can't loot Watts' body until he's actually dead
>Can't loot Polito's body at all

>>713739612
Still looking into this as they differ between difficulty and I don't know them off by heart

>>713739868
Cool. Thank you. I like Exotic weapons but they sucked

Verdict on what? It's a decades old game but slightly different.

>>713738906
he means SS1 Enhanced Edition, not the full on remake.

>>713739781
>Can't scroll wheel down interface text e.g. audio logs to read the text faster. Just scrolls weapons instead which it shouldn't
>Armor piercing bullets are now called anti-armor for some reason
>Turret placement at the end of engineering area 1 changed to make that section easier so you only have to fight one at a time
>The storage area under the power core actually has far more objects in it now
>Grub corpses don't disintegrate but play a splitting in half animation
>Enemies which speak have animated mouths
>SHODAN also has an animated mouth for her reveal cutscene
>Chunks of protocol droids come off as you damage them
>Still entirely possible to skip large sections of the game by entering door codes earlier than you should be able to
>Also possible to skip The Many / SHODAN speech using the armor trick
>Armor is considerably smaller
>Ammo boxes are also smaller. Almost hard to see at times
>Med hypo and medkit heal in increments of 1 quickly as opposed to blocks of 3 or 5
>Psi powers still don't persist through load screens
>Psi power quick cycling on keyboard is still done through the function keys
>OS upgrade 4 moved from Rickenbacker bridge to the first Rickenbacker pod area
>A vent helps to explain where Tommy and Rebecca came from at the start of Command B
>Security bot which ambushes you in the church now has his own little room so it makes more sense where he came from
>Oxygen meter added (SS2 tool also had this)

>>713723397
I was told conservatives are alpha men and not beta snowflakes.

>>713723341 (OP)
I’ll let you know when it’s out in 2 weeks on real platforms.

>>713723397
holy mental illness,
these people live among us......

Wait the original SS2 supposed to have co-op?

>>713741268
yes it was added in a patch after launch but never really worked well

>>713723397
Trump is doing a phenomenal job of destroying the Great Satan so I don't mind him.
Good to know though, I'll buy the game now

>>713723397
I genuinely don't understand how people with this much hate in them even function in daily life
It must be exhausting

>>713740736
>Cloaking effect added (SS2 tool also had this) doesn't seem to work when you have the amp equipped though
>Teeth room in the many made a little easier due to the tentacle ladder being extended
>Destroying the many core instantly kills all nearby enemies
>Body of the many looks worse in general. Very flat textures in some parts
>Water not really improved much
>System Shock 1 virtual reality segment made more accurate by adding assets like buttons, cyberjacks, diego display screens and power stations from the original game in the same artstyle
>Orbs of data that float in the SS1 level now make a noise so you don't accidentally step into them
>SHODAN core and avatar looks far better. Shield now a single color instead of rotating different ones
-Laser rapier glow effect on environment looks better
-Certain enemy attacks also glow and light up the corridors as they move through them
>In the area upstairs in Command from the Korenchkin fight there's now an office for Korenchkin off the side. His brain is stored in there for the fight
>Delacroix's corpse was moved to the wall nearby possibly to obscure it. Her body more accurately reflects her attire in the audio logs
>Game is definitely a lot smoother than the original and not just because of the framerate changes
>Mantling doesn't seem to work quite as well. Gets stuck in certain spots where it wouldn't before
>While most text elements have been improved the maps remain pixelated except for certain icons
>Game bugs noted. You can become stuck on doors fairly easily. When you launch and try a load it complains of a mod error until you start a new game and then load. This one keeps happening to me

>remaster
nah

>>713723397
>make a long pr statement crying about some literal who
I like how you can easily tell who lives their entire lives on xitter and who doesn't

>trying to jump to the hidden items in the first upgrade area at the start of the game
>just randomly die after landing on the first plank and sliding a little
ok

>>713741805
Thanks. Noticed my modded ss2 (og) computer texts and lights are higher rez compared to remaster. They also for some reason couldn't up the rez on the map.

>>713742054
Jumping is dangerous.

>>713723397
>american drama
I don't give a fuck

>>713723397
Yes, don't support leftist developers. It is always morally correct to pirate their shit.

>>713723397
why was this relevant post deleted before I could read it? What did it say?

>>713744410
nightdive says trans rites

they removed the westworld posters

>>713744512
Good for them, but this 'REMASTER' seems kinda lacking, gonna wait till a discount to get it.

so it really is just the old game with mods and they charge for it ?

>>713747407
they fixed co-op :)

>>713747497
I don't play multiplayer games/modes. guess ill get the game somewhere else

>>713747743
i mean yeah the price is absurd, when i pre-ordered the system shock remake and it mentioned getting the remaster for free i thought "whatever its gonna cost like 10 bucks anyway"

>>713723341 (OP)
i own the original already
werent they supposed to give the remaster for free to owners of the original?

>>713741805
>Shodan has the forehead dots from the SS1 remake
Nightdive just had to sneak their version of her in there, didn't they

>>713748287
no they gave it away to those who PRE ORDERED the SS1 remake

>>713748440
>pre ordering anything in the current year of our lord 2025
grim

>>713723341 (OP)
The verdict is that you can play the original and not pay again for a 30 y/o game.

>>713748631
It had a demo of the med deck so it was pretty easy to tell if you liked their vision of the game or not

>>713723341 (OP)
>price cutted out from screenshot
lemme guess another 40 dollar [[[lemaster]]] made with mods from 1980s?

It's funny to think that Nightdive originally had such lofty goals for the franchise, but now instead of a big SS2 remake all we're getting is an overpriced mod pack.

>>713749321
omfg...
just looked up
and it's actually 30 bucks
LOL
imagine this 3 dollar clearance game being selled for 30 bucks
its like a moddb user selled his hd textures with sharpening filter for 30 bucks thats how crazy the situation is

Did they add a map to the Rickenbocker? Navigating that place was such a pain in the ass.

>>713749321
>cutted

why is the mouse so floaty and the movement speed so slow

>>713740736
>Turret placement at the end of engineering area 1 changed to make that section easier so you only have to fight one at a time
It was always like that. btw hack 1 you can just you know hack security.

>>713749720
nevermind, fixed the mouse by disabling vsync. forgot about that

Online coop? How does that work?

>>713742054
Hold space even if you fuck up the jump like a retard you'll mantle up.

>>713749654
why were u jacking off to jeets on a saturday, september 2024

>>713749926
>disable vsync
why
just use a frame limiter and set it 1 below refresh rate

>>713748887
sure but still, preordering things in the current year is no good

>>713750330
vsync adds input lag that you can feel in the mouse. I have gsync so I just disable vsync and set an external frame limiter

>>713749520
Remember the System Shock TV show Nightdive announced? They really seemed desperate to extract some value out of the name.

>>713723341 (OP)
>>713723341 (OP)
I thought it was getting a remake? Lol

>>713750387
but u need vsync on with gsync

>>713723341 (OP)
>AI generated upscaling, textures, lighting, etc

No thanks Scamdive

>>713751009
you enable it in the nvidia panel, not ingame. the ingame vsync causes lag

>>713750493
I don't remember that at all, but that's hilarious. I hate this company so much it's unreal so I'm glad whatever they spent on this IP is driving them to bankruptcy.

>>713751105
What if I told you nightdive took a bunch of existing community mods and slapped them into to the game
Would that make you feel embarrassed for being such an AI obsessed fucking schizo?

>>713751204
yes

>>713751272
we're in agreement, thank you anon. have fun.

>>713750957
SS2 was the remake everyone actually wanted, but Nightdive did SS1 first and ruined any chance of following that up with how badly that project was mismanaged.

Even this remaster feels a bit minimum effort to satisfy the promised SS1 pre-order bonus, 2 years late.

>>713751258
I would tell you that they absolutely did add AI generated filters on top of those. You can tell pretty clearly in screenshots and trailers.

honestly not worth the price
wait until christmas where it'll probably be $10

Silly question but are there any System Shock 2 mods that give you gloves? I don't know why but gloves in first person games boost my enjoyment of a game dramatically

>>713723341 (OP)
it's that melee weapon that you research still op af?

How did this take 6 years to make?

>>713751610
I like how the original weapon models didn't show your hands. The remaster adds them and makes it look like yet another shooter.

>>713751761
>Ohno reload animations in my FPS game with like ten guns and a psi amp that already shows hands save me niggerman

>>713723341 (OP)
>shitting out a new overpriced scam every 3-5 months

>>713751901
This. Fuck them.

>>713751901
whats the point of censoring this

>>713751901
Nightdive saved these games from obscurity with these releases, show some respect.

>>713723341 (OP)
Can't complain. Paid $10 buckaroos for SS1 Remake and got SS2 for free

>>713752439
How about I respect them by not buying their sloppy work?

SS2 Autist here, probably played the base game 40-50 or so times not counting FMs, spent most of my day playing the remake and I definitely have mixed thoughts on the remaster
>Weapon animations are very good and they have great inertia when looking/moving but they're always out of sync with reloads and changing ammo and in general they're really easy to bug out if you swap ammo types
>Facial animations on enemies look nice for all of two seconds until the way they must be rigged causes them to spazz the fuck out, when I killed the Turnbull hybrid her worm came off her scalp and it looked retarded
>Some of the new animations added to stuff in general look like shit, particularly the legs on the protocol droids falling backwards, its like they're stop motion and it looks tacky anyway.
>For all the focus they put on new animations I had this moment during the SHODAN reveal where these little niggas were just stiff as a board when in the original they're animated during the cutscene
>The updated UI looks good (RIP MFD though) except for the new item icons, they look like total shit. It's really hard to tell what certain items are supposed to be at a glance, but that could just be that I'm so used to the OG
>They were pretty lazy in certain areas, the worms you can scoop into new beakers are the same as in vanilla and they look so out of place compared to the rest of the new models, and some items like the researchable Psi Booster don't even have a model.
>New character audio log portraits look good and they haven't done anything pozzed to them (yet anyway), in general a lot of the new item models and enemy models are very good and fit the aesthetic of the OG unlike shit like rebirth
(cont)

>>713723341 (OP)
Is it better than the original version?

>>713753270
>Achievements are nice and I plan on 100%ing it but there's a lot of stupid ones that are just "get 6 in x skill" which is just bloated and means you'll need to max out useless meme skills like endurance and repair to get all the achievements, which is a slog
>The price tag is ridiculous. This should be 20 dollars USD at most and I would even consider that overpriced, they're out of their minds selling this for 30 fucking dollars.
>Controllerfag controls being first in the options menu before KB/M rubs me the wrong way, this shit is a PC game first and foremost no matter how they were able to hack it into working on a controller for consolefags
>No FOV slider or UI scaling option in the menu is positively retarded, that should have been such an obvious day one addition to have
>Just in general this seems like it somehow needed more time in development despite the fact that it already took as long as it did. It's just stapling some new stuff ontop of a 25 year old game and mods the community had already made them, I don't know how they had 5 years to come out with this and for it to still have some wonky shit in it
Haven't had the chance to test co-op, mods, or FMs yet but for now those are my thoughts. It's a decent enough remaster for oldfags, what >>713736960 and the rest of his posts go into are generally my thoughts as well. It's been fun to play through it since I was a backer on SSR and I didn't have to pay for this but it's definitely not worth it at full price, wait for it to go on sale for 15 or so. If you really wanna play SS2 just play the original with mods, it's been perfectly good that way for the past 25 years and will continue to be so.

>>713739242
>Controller support on PC
heh

>>713730127
PAY MODDERS WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING WORTH

>>713723341 (OP)
I was told that I own this, and that it came out.
When did I buy this game? I do not recall doing that at all. Was there hype for this years ago that I bought into, or something? I must have preordered it years ago and forgot.

>>713755394
They gave it to everyone who already owns the System Shock remake I think. Or maybe to everyone who owns the original SS2, not sure which.

>>713755504
Well, I guess since it's free I'll not bitch too much.
I like free shit.

>>713752228
>>713751901
>censors the header jpeg
>censors the game title
>doesn't censor the game title in the description
lmao

Is it possible to increase the FOV?

>>713756269
Such advanced features won't be available until the 50th anniversary remaster.

Beat it, it's okay, but I didn't pay for it and I probably wouldn't
Best way to play the game is still the og with the usual fanpatches and rebalance mods
Extremely baffled by the minor attempts at rebalancing the OS upgrades, why even bother?

Also I might be going insane but in all the times I've replayed the game, with or without mods, I don't think you ever had to power up the bball court again to send the transmission even though it makes sense

>>713723341 (OP)
Like what everyone else is saying it feels like ss2 with community mods thrown on top. Really not worth the price they are asking.

>30 dollarydoos
no

>>713751901
>>713753014
there is nothing sloppy about it, they are way more than the original game packaged with dosbox or whatever
The advantage is obvious and you wouldn't even have a PC version of doom 64, powerslave, turok and others without kex

>>713732760
forgot to add the gigachad image there my gender dysphoric friend.

the left can't meme btw

>>713758852
but anyone who spends 15 minutes can achieve a similar remaster?

>but you wouldn't have all these other pc versions of games that run fine on emulators
games tend to run better in their original versions though.
their remasters are unironically sloppy and have issues with controls basic features, framerates, audio issues, restricted movement, etc.

This was easy to find from a casual search.

>>713759569
>anyone who spends 15 minutes can achieve a similar remaster
okay can you remaster alien trilogy for me, should only take you 15 minutes right? ezpz

>>713729429
bootlicker
>>713728978
damn


WHY DOES IT LOOK CARTOONY NOW

>>713759984
sure, let me slap some mods on it and repackage it.
thats what they did.

>>713759569
>games tend to run better in their original versions though.
the n64 turok games run at like 15fps
>>713760146
you are totally clueless

>>713759547
holy seethe

>>713760287
I just remastered your game. What is the issue?
Should I grab an AI to do a sloppy redo of the textures as well or something?

>>713760287
>the n64 turok games run at like 15fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAi5cEf9h6k
this is the game running at 60fps
retarded nigger.

>>713760417
your 15 minutes are up, where's the game buddy?
>>713760583
>emulator
>that draw distance
if you unironically think this is better than the remastered version you have brain damage

>>713761010
>avoids the arguments
>cries and moves the goalposts despite being completely wrong about the fps
Maybe if you get down on your knees and apologize for being a disingenuous fuckwit who was wrong about fps your remaster will appear?

>>713760332
i accept your concession.

>>713761724
meant for
>>713761140

>>713723341 (OP)
>put the most common mod pack into the installer
>fix the useless multi to say you've done something
>took them five years
>30 dollars plus tip
>and we say...trans rights
Thank you nightdive.

>>713761724
oh so you concede the argument?
So you WERE wrong about FPS?
And the repackage of mods WAS a remaster?

>>713751901
Shadowman remastered was probably the best one they ever did. Added content from all the platforms, uncensored things and even added removed content.

I already beated this game long ago

Should I pirate the original or this new remaster version?

>>713761963
free if you owned SS1R already

>>713762459
I have SS1R in my library and I don't have this one for free at all

>>713762530
He left out the fact that you had to preorder it to get it for free.

>>713723341 (OP)
looks the same as the original. What is even the point?

>>713762592
Wow, what a gay faggot

>>713753998
All in all sounds like it'll probably be my favored way to play SS2 but I'll wait until it's $5 or something

>>713723341 (OP)
>drag and drop a couple moddb files
>THATL BE 800$ PLUS TAX PLUS TIP

Why do the new graphics also change the training robot dialogs? It's the same lines but rerecorded.

>>713723341 (OP)
i like it

>>713723341 (OP)
broken co op multiplayer

>>713724329
Look, I want to play this game co-op. I'm not gonna get normie friends to install some kind of jank pirated copy and then get some co-op compatibility mod from a random forum in the ass-end of the internet. They aren't gonna do that and I don't want to force them to.
Its that simple

>>713723341 (OP)
No RTX no buy
This is not a bait. Make it look modern before trying to take my money twice.

>>713763631
This gave me a really bad feeling for the rest of the game, but the rest of the dialogue is intact and no changes have been made to any of the audio logs. It baffles me as to why those specifically were re-recorded, the originals were fine and the new ones sound like shit without the robot voice filters over them.

are the co-op fixes in it available through modding as well?

>>713723341 (OP)
I got it for free. So I don't care

>>713772267
are you asking if the co-op will work with other mods or if that it requires a mod to fix the co-op?

>>713723870
fippy

>>713726803
There is some significant rebalancing. Look at the OS upgrades. Nearly every one of them has been changed, one even makes you invisible to robots now after hacking security, and one lets you see enemies on the minimap.

>>713723341 (OP)
I won't even pirate it, I already own SS2 on CD and on Steam, and AI upscale textures are not worth my time

>>713774573
But they didn't touch psionics, which are the worst balanced thing in the game after exotic weapons.

>>713762378
uhm where are the achievements sweaty, there is no proof you did that.

>>713723341 (OP)
exact same game with some updated assets, we already had this like 10 years ago

>>713759254
Its either Wolfenstein related or Heretic/Hexen related considering Quake already has two remasters and Doom just had their remasters as well. Wolfenstein is the only big franchise left of IDs that has gotten the Nightdive treatment and not to mention the steam port of it is awful.

>>713725259
What?

>>713777576
If you don't buy it you're a fucking asshole and a horrible person.

>>713777723
Heavy metal F.A.K.K 2, soldier of fortune, no one lives forever
not necessarily limited to id related IP's even if it's at quakecon

>>713723341 (OP)
stop giving nightdive money, these faggots do nothing other than butchering and "modernizing" classics and steal codes from fanmade source ports
they should be hanged

>>713778656
source?

>>713778243
Its probably Quake 3 remaster

>>713730332
Kill yourself tranny faggot

>>713779842
that would be the most redundant thing ever

>>713728939
Kill yourself tranny faggot

>>713723341 (OP)
It's even worse than the original one, how can anyone waste their time on this shit is beyond me.

>>713780434
Same with a Quake 4 remaster

Have these really early 1997 prototype things been seen before?

>$30
>on gog if you own ss2 originally you get a 50% discount for $15
>ss2 is $10
>10+15 = 25

Am I missing something here?

>>713771314
They changed the tutorials so they had to record bew lines

>>713780813
I just realized it could be a doom 3 remaster which actually would be pointless

The only problem with this is that it's a little overpriced, but aside from that I really don't get the seething from some anons. Why the fuck would you hate Nightdive? It just reeks of the typical 4chan anti-remaster autism. They consistently do a really good job, if you don't like the idea of remasters/modern ports then maybe just don't buy them.

Seriously why do remasters get people so fucking mad? Imagine if cinephiles had the same level of autism about movie rereleases and 4K remasters and shit

>>713782558
That game already got a remaster

>>713782641
That didn't stop Doom and Doom 2 from getting the nightdive treatment. I hope its unlikely that Doom 3 is not on their radar.

>>713782641
>That game already got a remaster
bfg edition is not a remaster and is objectively worse. the only reason to play bfg edition is for that one doom2 wad

>>713780813
>>713782716
I kinda doubt they would remaster anything newer than ps2 era, the games are more complex and the kex engine features wouldn't really bring much to them
anything before 2005 could be fair game imo

>>713782819
>bfg edition is not a remaster
It kind of is. It does update the graphics pretty significantly.
>objectively worse
Nobody knows what objectively means anymore

>>713782983
Doom 3 and Quake 4 are ps2 era

>>713783121
Yeah which is why I'm worried it's (Doom 3) most likely going to be that as Nightdive's next remaster

>>713783121
doom 3 and half life 2 are kind of in a transition period the lighting/physics and programmable shaders puts them ahead of most games at the time

>>713739694
>graphical options are bad
>being able to cap the FPS on a thousand year old game that would run at 5000FPS is bad
retards, I swear

>>713783073
>objectively
having the flashlight always on is objectively bad considering they didn't bother redesigning encounters around it

I po'd system shock remake and got it for free. the remake was an amazing game and they even gave me a free game? cheers nightdive

>>713769492
coop is in the original you stupid faggot

there is an actual shill in this thread and it's hilarious

NO WE CHANGED THE LIGHTING YOU GOTTA BUY YOU REALLY GOTTA BUY!!!

>>713724167
Make a good one then have good marketing to all the gaming streamers and youtubers want to play it

>>713724329
Why the fuck would it change the gameplay you dumb faggot? Who expected it to, and who in their right mind would want that?

>>713739242
>>713739781
Fantastic posts. I recognize an SS2 enjoyer so I will heed your advice and refrain from getting this, at full price at least as I have no use for LAN.
By the way, how did you feel about the SS1 remake?

>>713723341 (OP)
Call me when they do the remake

It's a nice remaster, but...
>$30
Should be $15 max

>>713786719
>>713785573

>>713786436
Plays worse, has less content, and made everything generic

>>713782819
>bfg edition is not a remaster
Just because the word remaster wasn't in use in marketing in 2012 doesn't mean it wasn't one. Also BFG edition's goal was the same as SS2 remaster's: release it on consoles (Doom 3 was on og sexbox and horribly gimped)

it's fine, it's just that if you can mod the game already then the most you're really missing out on is working co-op and some quality of life changes + native controller support. this isn't really a remaster made for veteran players, but for newcomers and console players getting their fill.

man, it was like 2011 when I played this game.

>paying for mods
lmao

>>713723870
Ken Levine only had a minor role for Thief and System Shock 2. I don't know why gets all the credit for Looking Glass games by retards like (You).

>>713723341 (OP)
nobody asked for

>>713723870
Why isnt the new Jewish religious game by Ken Levine released yet?

>>713787537
He wrote the last line the protagonist says in the game, he's a good writer.

So, its the balance fixed or Energy Weapons and Exotics still suck ass outside Multiplayer and regular guns just outclass everything outside Psionics?

>>713785478
ss2 elitists don't even remember the game was unplayable for years before newdark

>>713787906
The game had some bugs that caused soft locks that are easily solved by a reload. Zoomers filtered hard by this game.

>>713788021
The game literally ran too fast with an uncapped framerate

>saw the price and was about to go in a thread and shit on the game
>checked and turns out its already in my library for some reason
>searched up and turns out the reason is that if you had Preordered System Shock 1 remake, you get it for free
Well shit i didn't even know that, goodbye losers. Have fun shitposting about the game and the prices or how soulless it is or something
I'm gonna go and have fun and slap shodan's little tin can.

>>713787906
Works fine on my Windows 98 machines... for the most part.

>>713723341 (OP)
I'm not sure I ever played on impossible before...are you gonna be 1-2 shot for the entire game since your hp is so low?

>>713728978
lmao open source modders work for free
that'll be $50 for the publisher thanks.

I liked the remake

>>713788551
pretty much
however the tank os upgrade now gives you 10 HP, making it a must have on impossible

>>713788637
Of the first game you mean? Yeah it's good, but man was it buggy as shit on release. I had to relock an achievement on my Steam account just to replay it because a button was linked to it across save files.

>>713788790
>buggy as shit on release
worked on my machine

>>713723341 (OP)
Waiting for a physical PS5 port or no buy

>>713724167
This genre just can't be popular. They are going to have to hope that enough word of mouth on this game has spread over time that more people are willing to buy it. I think it will do decent relative to the type of game it is and its name will carry it a bit but they better not expect really good or even good sales.

>>713723870
>not shitstem shlock

don't die on me

Is it on gamepass?

What happened to this shit?

>>713723341 (OP)
Can somebody explain to me what is this game, and why it's good or popular?

I am sure I saw that grey and green face a lot of times, without ever knowing it is from a game.

>>713791631
RPG/FPS in space with mostly good non-linear level design

>>713788051
Yeah and jumping became moon gravity mode because the physics scaled with framerate. First time I booted it on my GTX 580 and the intro cutscene straight up skipped half the lines because it was running at 120fps. SS2 was a beautiful mess, you had to threaten Windows XP into cooperating just to finish it. Still better than half the hand-holdy trash we get now.

>>713791631
set the standard for immsims. underworld inspired SS obviously (and all TES games) but people would copy SS 1+2 going forward. its the standard that would get derivatives from it and you can follow the family tree down to basically any tactical shooter today as the tree got incestuous and mutated. interesting for that alone

>>713750493
It would have been that cheap RE series with Indian Leon Kennedy.

Is it cracked yet?

>>713791631
proto-bioshock

>>713792112
>is GOG game cracked yet
kys retard

>>713755504
>Check steam library
>It's true
That 4€ key for the remake of the first off paid off.

>>713791631
you know how every game has purchasable skills and upgrade trees etc even singleplayer games? SS2 is why

>>713755504
fake & gay

>>713723341 (OP)
VR mod when?

>>713787743
nah

>>713724329
>Please pirate it

thats given without saying. who pays 30€ for a 30 year old game with some mods slapped on it

>>713791394
chinks happened

>>713793914
>>713755504
>>713755623
lol its "free" only for the retards who shelled 30€ for the first remakes kickstarter

>>713794368
That and people who pre-ordered the remake when it was coming out.

>>713794368
I pre-ordered it and enjoyed it, boy am I a retard for doing that and now I even have a free copy of the ss2 remaster to enjoy and not whinge about paying for on the internet
wew

>>713794368
I bought a key for 4€ like a year ago. Lucky me.

>>713794768
it shouldnt be possible. its only for preorders

>>713794956
Maybe it was a pre-order key. Dunno.

>>713785557
No it's subjectively bad

>>713773738
im asking if the co-op fixes introduced in the remaster are available via modding like all the visual changes and bug fixes are

>>713782585
>cinephiles
But they do. Have you seen how atrocious the Predator blu-ray release is?

>>713782585
man SS3 shodan was smex

>>713794368
>buy one game, get another at no cost
what do you think free means

>>713795414
no, coop unfuck is remaster exclusive

>>713782585
I personally am just annoyed by people who wait for an official rerelease like this to play it when patches and mods have been available for the original version that brings it very close to the remaster's presentation (and frankly fan mods have some higher res textures than this and they still fit in well with the original style, how embarrassing lmao).
Like if this is what gets your normie friends to try System Shock 2 (as I do), then that's good, but a real enthusiast has been able to do that easily forever. At this point, NewDark is almost as old as Thief and SS2 were when NewDark was released, and the GOG copy has just been auto-packaging it for years. You've had plenty of chances. Remasters only exist to stimulate the idiot normie's need to frivolously spend money.

30€ lmao they're tripping

It's probably worth trying out via piracy. Imagine paying for a 26 year old game with mods.

>>713723341 (OP)
why do Gzdoom graphics look better than this shit?
this just looks like cartoony fortnite shit

>>713723870
MH3U is better than Monster Hunter Wilds

>>713725025
This. I was vocally pro-Nightdive before for preservation purposes but between Stephen Cuck and their remasters not being all that impressive since SS1 got the Kex update like 7 years ago, now I really couldn't give a rat's ass unless it leads to empowering community projects and from what I last heard, no one can even really use id24 stuff for instance. What are they doing for me lately? I guess those map packs for Quake 1, 2, and Doom were cool, but those were joint projects with devs from MachineGames. And their changes to Quake's Nightmare were retarded.

Played about three hours today. I generally like it, but I think they were a bit lazy with a few things.
>visuals are nice, nicer than mods, imo. Shaders and effects are done tastefully, which was my biggest fear.
>the artstyle is respectful towards the original in a very autistic way. its good.
>it plays slightly smoother than the original, but the jank is still there
>nice new animations, but they are a bit out of place in some parts
>the ui looks good in most places, but controls weirdly; there a lot of simple, fast improvements they could have done there but didn't for some reason
>old bugs are gone, replaced with some of the new ones, mostly tied to ocassional invulnerable enemies and key bindings
all in all, I would say pretty good. Needs some polishing, a bit too expensive, but if it drops the price a little, I would recommend it.

>>713792112
It's been cracked for over 20 years.

>>713741268
>>713741314
and almost nobody knew about the patch itself

>>713741805
they ruined weebodans kimono?

>>713724167
Scale it up to actually big and interesting environment and concepts instead of the only thing being immersive is offering 1000 options to get past a door.

>>713723397
lmao

>>713744410
Use 4chanx you retarded phoneposter

>>713782585
>Imagine if cinephiles had the same level of autism about movie rereleases
They do and they're also correct. If remasters are done badly they should be called out.
>Why the fuck would you hate Nightdive
see >>713723397 also they took too long for SS1's remake

>>713724167
It'll never happen. The skillsets it takes to make games like this don't exist in devs anymore. The most you'll get are Kojima-tier gimmicks like being able to cook something by holding it over a fire in a game not about cooking, like Dusk. That the only reason THAT exists is probably because the creator loves the time period when immersive sim games were at their peak of quality and release density.
1992-2000 was immersive sim utopia and barring an occasional game taking inspiration from the games released in that period, we are never going to see anything like it again. Genuinely, look at the industry we have right now. How exactly do you see actual good immersive sims becoming popular at this point?

>>713801896
>took too long for SS1's remake
Grow up. 50 medical floor demos, 80 door updates (One update they got so mad at ONE person calling them out they decide to show nothing,) and the remake with missing content wasn't a big deal

>>713739242
I thought the cutscenes were entirely recreated like with Quake 2. Are they just the originals touched up?
Also seemed like a few voice lines were rerecorded like the protocal bot in the tutorial.

Just a heads up because I decided to check GOG, if you own System Shock 2 classic there (I imagine you should, it's been sold for dirt cheap over and over) you get 50% off the Remake's price. For how it looks there was no shot I'd pay $30 for it, but $15 sounds fair to me.

>>713739287
>normal difficulty
Sad!
>>713739507
It still has a consistent rhythm to the attack animations that you can use more effectively or less effectively. Plus enemy hitstun.

>>713802137
there are a bunch of indie immersive sim type games which are cool but they are really just copying the old ones
Maybe raph is the only one who can make something new and original

>>713801896
>>713802367
I personally didn't like the mood they went with for the SS1 remake. Seemed like they tried to retrofit it to be more consistent with SS2. I quit before finishing Medical. The remake just made me want to play the original instead.

>>713791631

I don't want to oversell the game since that rarely works due to people having different expectations but this might be one of the scariest games I've ever played

>>713802560
Yeah too much shit just looks too derivative of the greats that you simply can't easily say about any of those greats.
Prey never grew on me. Felt like it peaked 5 hours in. Overambitious maybe.

>>713791631
Seminal sci-fi horror among all the medium of gaming. In one way or another, it has probably influenced any western-developed sci-fi horror game you can think of. It's often hailed as a hardcore game for hardcore gamers who don't need no handholding. I think it's a little more hands-on than SS1 but still gigabrained compared to the average modern yellow paint game.

>>713782585
I know that a lot of the blame falls at the feet of Atari but I still feel burned by Blood: Fresh Supply. I love Blood and I was happy to throw money at it after having played it in various pirated forms all these years and then FS turns out to be a dud. I'm not one of the anons particularly hating on them, I think they do a good job with a lot of their stuff, but I understand why some uptight spergs out there may have issues.

How did that The Thing remaster turn out anyways? I played that as a rental as a kid and never finished it.

WILL NO ONE REMASTER ULTIMA UNDERWORLD 1 AND 2?
And no, Underworld Unity is still just jank enough to go with dosbox instead.

>>713802653
>Seemed like they tried to retrofit it to be more consistent with SS2
originally it was meant to be exactly that, same layout progression etc but with all the ss2 rpg upgrades and economy, you can still see remnants of it in the final game and other assets that would have been used
also night dive was created solely to obtain the rights to ss2 and re-release it
>>713802898
dishonoured and prey's fault is being too accessible but they are AAA console games as well
>>713803339
EA owns them

>>713723341 (OP)
Why the fuck would I pay 30 bucks for this?

>>713803339
You are a gay retard if you can't play the original. However, genuinely, rights limbo could be a big issue. That EA owns some of it and other people own other parts. I recall devs pointing this out when discussing the shitty Underworld reboot

>>713803537
I've played the original on dosbox before, that was just long ago enough that I can barely stomach the framerate anymore. Give me that good fucking Lizardman puzzle with interpolation up to at least 120 fps and I'll cum.

>>713794368
I got it for free and I paid like 15 bucks for the remaster from a key site.

>>713723341 (OP)
New graphics look like ass and they're missing some of the NewDark improvements. Otherwise it's the same game.

>>713803512
I got this for free and no idea how... Did it come with SS1 Remake or something?

>>713804225
>they're missing some of the NewDark improvements
What are some examples? I haven't seen anyone point this out yet.

Feels like there is a weird mouse input lag.
>>713803512
Remaster or whatever you might call it, is more important for consoles and nu-gamers - an act of preservation.

>>713782585
Real reason people hate remasters/remakes, even when they're pretty good like the SH2 or RE4 ones is because they're indicative of the fact that modern gaming has completely ran out of original ideas and concepts and are constantly just going back to older games not because they NEED the remasters/ports but because they know they'll sell well because they're infinitely more creative and original than anything else on the market today.

>>713723341 (OP)
unless you got it for free or want to play the co-op without port-forwarding I wouldn't bother, the original already runs perfectly out of the box

>>713804371
>Feels like there is a weird mouse input lag.
Limit fps to your refresh rate

[UPLIFTING NEWS] System Shock 2 remaster just dropped

I'm playing a psi build and I actually took the fast metabolism trait for once and I'm smoking every pack of cigs and downing every bottle of vodka I see

>>713723341 (OP)
Will we get a PS4 port?
I played ss1 on it.

>>713723341 (OP)
Replaying it recently (not the remaster), I realized that “the Many” is just another allegory for christianity, just another kike attack on christianity. They simply cannot help themselves.

>>713804317
Not him but the mantling definitely seems more finicky than SS2 with NewDark. Closer to vanilla dark engine behavior. Could be wrong about that but it just feels like it's harder to jump on shit than last time I played.

>>713804317
UI improvements like mousewheel scrolling are apparently missing along with a few other features, autosaves and quicksaves take two different slots in NewDark because having autosaves overwrite your quicksaves is ass, no bindings for psi and hypotoxin, no NewSky support. Playing the original with SCP installed is probably a better remaster experience than this "official" release unless you really want to mess with the co-op the game was never really made for. At least they didn't wipe the existence of the original game or hide it behind having to buy the EE so respect for that.

>>713805732
>see a formless blob of flesh that wants to assimilate everything into a singular hivemind consciousness
>"hmm yes as a christian i do identify with that"
kek what

>>713805428
is psi build viable on impossible? everything costs so many cybermodules

>>713805732
Closer to communism than Christianity. Did the top dog being named Anatoly Korenchkin not tip you off?

>>713806045
Psi builds make impossible easier since you can buff up everything.

>>713806045
I am playing on Impossible, you have to actually entirely ignore everything but psi to make it work. Except for 1 point in Research I have nothing else but psi and psi spells. You can buff yourself out the ass with spells to make up for not having any stats and you can hack with the tier 4 psi spell for it. I do savescum a bit thoughbeit it was hard using the wrench until I got the psi sword.

>>713805732
Most references to evil hiveminds are pretty much always jews and masons showing you demons

>26Then they arrived at the country of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee. 27As he stepped out on land, a man of the city who had demons met him. For a long time he had worn no clothes, and he did not live in a house but in the tombs. 28When he saw Jesus, he fell down before him and shouted at the top of his voice, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me”— 29for Jesus had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. (For many times it had seized him; he was kept under guard and bound with chains and shackles, but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the wilds.) 30Jesus then asked him, “What is your name?” He said, “Legion”; for many demons had entered him.

Why wouldn't you just play the original SS2?

>>713806319
It's easier to pirate this than to mod the original. Even easier if you got it from SS1R preorder

>>713723341 (OP)
Tried it for 30 minutes, it's still too clunky and just made me want to play Bioshock/Prey

>>713785696
kek
its also not hard to prepackage all the required mods into an all in one pack for retard friends
>one requires money
>the other is free
better choose the one that costs money LOL

>>713802137
>>713788896
>>713724167
Modern immersive sims CAN be successful. Look at Dishonored, Deus Ex:HR/MD, Zelda BOTW/TOTK, Larian Studios, Elder Scrolls, etc. Although these are not full immersive sims, the potential is certainly there.

>>713806616
You make it sound as if the remaster isn't free with minimal effort as well. Everything out there is free, if your point of contention is you don't want to spend money you can avoid doing that if you want to play an original version or rereleases.

>>713741805
what the fuck is this model? i was looking forward to this

>>713741805
where is her kimono? wtf

>>713805428
I want some cigarettes

>>713723341 (OP)
i'm not playing through a fucking game I beat 15 years ago, I'm not retarded.

>>713806431
>It's easier to pirate this than to mod the original.
>>713806319

>>713805732
Anon it's literally just collectivism vs individualism that can apply to many things open to interpretation, but this is pretty weak largely because The Many is never asking or enforcing any kind of faith or belief structure. It's literally just a giga parasite with a collective consciousness.

>>713806790
Looks like the most recent example you've got there is Zelda Nuts n Bolts, which actually makes a case for more linearity than player freedom.
It's over man. The best imsims you're gonna get anymore is in fan content and tranny indie games.

>>713805732
>some dumb faggot shit that will easily draw people who disagree
>ignore urge to reply
>free replies from other dumb faggots
people on this site are retarded

>>713807759
>i will reply to bait while telling everyone else they're retarded for replying to bait
vegans of /v/

>>713807759
All of the replies besides the first one were thoughtful and measured, if it was bait it just backfired.

are there any comparison photos with the SS2 classic release on steam? it would be more fair than comparing to the original release

>>713807751
stop demoralizing and go make an imsim

>>713805732
>“the Many” is just another allegory for christianity,
Nah
It's definitely an allegory for vaxcattle though

>>713808892
No one in this thread has actually played it come back later

>>713809647
Too much real job to even make Thief FMs. Sorry.

Before I pull the trigger, is the game political?

>>713811461
Not unless you're terminally online and insert meaning that isn't there.

>>713811461
is robots vs. aliens political

>>713802493
You can even parry enemy attacks if you hit their weapon with yours mid animation.

I want a Thief remaster.

>>713723341 (OP)
A BWC masterpiece

>>713782585
What do you call this fallacy where you ignore all criticism and loudly cry about people being entitled for expecting a product which is literally just an existing product but updated to not make things worse

>>713795440
>>713801896
Yeah but with movies it only happens if the remaster is shit. With games people will just get mad no matter what you release, it literally happens every time. It's like if people insisted on only watching VHS releases because they are "soul" and they already bought the movie so they won't be "tricked" into buying it again.

>>713785951
Exotic weapons

>>713813223
There's a cinephile case to be made that the purest format to view a movie in is actual film on a projector, even for home viewing. This kind of rigorous elitism is very common among all types of enthusiasts.

>>713813065
The only criticisms I'm hearing is that it's just a modpack made from mods that already exist and that you could have the same experience by just modding the game, which isn't true at all. I have played heavily modded SS2 and I'm playing this remaster, and the remaster feels much more professional and consistent and it is also much more faithful to the original look (just compare the HD models from that mod to the remaster's HD models, the new ones are just the old ones but better while the mod was more like the Half-Life HD models, as in half the designs look completely wrong and miss the point of the originals).

Then the other criticisms I'm hearing is just stock "remasters are le bad" shit.

The only valid criticism is that the price is about twice as high as it should be, which I agree on, it should have been cheaper. Still, the game itself is fine.

>>713813065
A shill

>Cigarettes no longer called Laramies
Soulless. Did the Simpsons threaten to sue or something?

>People complaining about the price
Why?

>>713724167
nu-Zelda is essentially an imm-sim and it's giga popular, also games like Valheim, just don't make boring boomer shit with linear corridor levels

>>713813561
But nobody has a projector at home so it's never gonna look the same, and it doesn't really matter anyway with how good the picture quality of modern TV's are. Thirty years ago, watching a movie in the theater was a completely different experience than seeing it at home but now, not so much. I never see proper cinephiles insist that watching a 4K bluray at home is "doing it wrong" (unless that specific bluray has major cockups maybe). You mostly see this kind of autism with the more nerdy kind of movies like Star Wars that also got fucked with endlessly

Should I play System Shlock 1 remaster or this if I never touched the series?

>>713814883
Why can't brown people count?

>>713814883
You should try out the SS1 enhanced edition first.

>>713724329
the gameplay is good theres no need to change anything

>>713814883
It depends on how well you deal with retro games.

I guess the most normie friendly option is going 1 remake > 2 remaster. I love the original System Shock 1 but it is a very weird and old game that I wouldn't recommend to anyone because it's so inaccesible. If you are a seasoned retro game autist who can handle weird UI and controls, and graphics that are more primitive than Minecraft, then you should definitely try the OG System Shock

>>713803339
this shit is so ancient that its not worth the hassle to remaster it

>game has literal cyber ninja enemies that throw giant shurikens at you
I forgot how goofy this game was sometimes

>>713815860
>Don't remaster old games. Remaster new ones
SONY! HIRE THIS MAN

>>713816072
also it has space monkeys in it

>>713807759

When people ignore messages like that, shitposter will just reply to themselves until someone takes the bait. It's sort of like /pol/ works except for shitposters, it's Russian/Chinese agency workers. It's honestly fucking pathetic seeing an outrage thread immediately swarmed by "people" feeding into it

>>713723870
Based. Fuck leftists. Fuck trannies. Fuck jews.

>>713813223
It doesn't happen when the rerelease is good. See Riven last year.

>>713814883
SS1 enhanced edition (choose mouselook or not)
OG SS2

>>713816381
thats not how you get laid, buddy

>>713805732
It is actually an allegory for marriage.

>>713814883
SSRemake 1 and then SS2Remastered
SS1EE is a bit hard to recommend unless you like looking at a calculator ass interface.

>>713798185
You are my homie, anon. It's better than 4U too.

I wish there were a mod to turn SS2 into a Thief like game that you could 100% stealth. Change lighting to make the environment super dark, sneak attack everyone from shadows.

I loved deus ex but alt-f4ed out of system shock 2 20 minutes into the game i dunno why but system shock 2 isn't that good as people make it out to be.

whoa they need to fix that

>Achievement it takes two to tango - hack a turret while it's offline
>Nightdive fully aware that you can hack a turret while moving against its rotation

>>713816849
there's nothing wrong with ss1ee interface, play the game

>>713798185
>>713817464
>old good
>new bad
Get new material, gramps!

>>713819706
Wilds sucks you tasteless fucking faggot!

>>713819335
while it's not offline*

I just did it from cover at long range playing as OSA.

>>713817923
System shock is a tunnel fps gimped by rpg mechanics. Deus Ex is the same but with more open maps.

Just buy the same game again and again and again and again and again

>>713822010
i say this and do this

>>713822010
What else is there to look forward to?

Is there any soul loss with the remaster?

>>713822010
>buy

>>713822973
I was worried about the new models, but it honestly looks good
They added a ton of concept art and stuff, too, so if anything it's more soul

>>713822973
From the screenshots I've seen it looks too sterile and clean and lacks the grit of the original. But they might've fixed that with the release.

>>713822973
not telling