Give it to me straight /v/
Are we stuck in Tetris hell forever or will we somehow make it out?

puyo died to me in 2003

>>713755553 (OP)
It's beyond over.

puyo under Sega was never good.

>>713755553 (OP)
>apple exclusive
what the fuck were they thinking

>>713756275
Apple must have put a decent amount of money on the table i guess

>>713756606
i mean, the updates are done, right? that means they can release the full game on consoles, right? RIGHT???

>>713757040
Lol nope. It's gonna join that Chu Chu Rocket sequel in the lost media graveyard.

What do you guys think about these tails I invented?

>>713755553 (OP)
My IQ is too low to set up a larger chain than 3 or 4 intentionally. t. Tetris chud

>>713757301
i mean shantae and the seven sirens eventually got a console release and wayforward is much smaller than sega, so it's not impossible

Puyo Champions killed all western interest

>>713757040
>that means they can release the full game on consoles, right? RIGHT???
Fantasian managed to escape Apple Arcade purgatory, have faith

>>713757529
are you me
i can only do columns and after that i can't continue

He's beginning to believe.

>>713755553 (OP)
i'd hope the apparent low sales of tetris 2S will be enough for them to realize but i also think they'd probably just kill it and the last things we're seeing are the MSX madou collection released today and fia's game.
>>713757040
it's still gotta get through all the 15th anniversary modes considering it brought back bomber mode of all fucking things
all three underwater mode fans might be winning

>>713757393
Zero or O tail for the one on the left, what sounds better?

>>713759362
>not an all clear

>>713759920
I meant to put the yellow one more left misinput

>>713759995
>misinputting

>>713758069
i don't mind the concept behind champions, it's a budget title but it's something with fever for the esports crowd as a game mainly to tide people over until the next big entry.
then we got tetris 2 which while technically better wasn't really what most people wanted.
then the 30th anniversary came and it was just DLC for tetris 2 starring that blue bastard sonic and a couple more of those retarded gacha characters, at least everyone (sans the alternate costumes, onion pixie and dongurigaeru) are in now.
then we got puzzle pop. a good game but a massive spit in the face of every puyo fan.
now it's the 35th anniversary and sega thinks releasing a key card version of tetris 2 with barely any new content is a good idea.
now champions is just another fucking stain on the gradual buildup of retarded decisions sega has made ever since they decided to push this series in the west again. i've seen a bunch of people both western and japanese be pretty critical of them even outside of imageboards.

>>713755553 (OP)
literally no one plays puyo outside of japan and france
it's been over for a long ass time
now tetris fans think that ppts is holding back tgm4 from switch 2 release, its own crossover game its already undermined in

>>713761509
i'd love it if they fix the fact puyo esports takes up 10GB for no fucking reason just because it keeps ALL the localization data even if you never change language.
they should give puyo esports the REVO treatment or something except actually add worthwhile single player

>>713761952
i think the best thing that should be done is just drop puzzle pop on consoles, obviously not now since they already shot themselves with PPT2S but more of an enhanced version that isn't a lazy port.
>fix up some of the stories, mainly the final one so it isn't 3 stages where two of them were red spirit sig (which before an update, still used his only ok AI despite being the FINAL FUCKING BOSS), also change the model so it's not just sig but his arm has clouds around it and have a system like 20th now that it has a bunch of those modes instead of everything being tsu mode
>more modes depending on whenever it releases, may as well make it the ultimate puyo experience with all the 15th and 20th modes
>add in the characters from chronicle that didn't make it into puzzle pop as bonus characters
>for the love of god don't make the online have bots, the fact it has them shows sonic team knew this shit was an awful idea forced by the higher-ups and could only make a band aid solution for the very few players who could play it
>add fucking crossplay
people have wanted it off of apple arcade since the very day it was announced and i feel it'd at least make people content with the series considering it's a lot of content like what these games used to have. satisfy both the gameplayfags who will have fun popping puyos with friends or strangers or anons here and satisfy the lore/gameplayfags by not having the game that obviously takes a lot from fever 2 eventually be wiped forever off of stores.

>>713763117
>and satisfy the lore/gameplayfags
i mean lore/characterfags, my aggressive effortposting made me blind somehow.

>>713755553 (OP)
I will say that I'm still seething softly because Arle is not the main character of the new maou monogatari

>>713757393
All of these are bad and useless because they aren't versatile enough. They're too specific

>>713763482
Well, what about all the times you can't seem to make y-joint, j-joint or L shapes and you can only make those?

>>713763353
i just want it to be good, or at least an alright experience. no compile main characters is retarded considering that was the initial draw when it was announced and they look super out of place compared to the old characters but i'll buy it.

>>713763842
Baldur tail to the rescue!

>>713763842
Holy shit, even when you fuck up and you put a cut it just fucking werks.

>>713755553 (OP)
im too stupid for puyo
i was destined to be a tetrischimp

>>713761774
i don't get why sega is still trying to sell to the tetris crowd, one of the advantages of the first game was it being the first released in 2014 at first and then there not being a tetris game since 2014 when it was rereleased. now tetris fans have stuff like tetris effect, 99 and now grandmaster 4. what is there to gain for a tetris player nowadays? even if they love the characters the tetra crew are exclusive and anyone that isn't them they'd have to play the game they're less good at or just read wiki pages or tumblr posts in some cases.

>>713761774
fuck you i played mean bean on mega collection and i thought it was neat even though i was bad at it

>>713766137
not to mention tetr.io
tetris and puyo are fundamentally different games. even the single player in puyo is still versus and no one plays endless. puyo is divided into people who can 8+ chain and people who can't, meanwhile there's enough ways to play tetris to satisfy everybody.
>>713766597
mean bean isn't even based on tsuu so it's a "bad" puyo game

I started playing Puyo 20th translated and it really shines a light on Sega's total negligence of this series outside of Japan
Even when given a chance to have a proper game release they go for Apple Arcade exclusivity instead WHICH I'M STILL FUCKING MAD ABOUT HOLY FUCK

>>713766862
>tetris and puyo are fundamentally different games. even the single player in puyo is still versus and no one plays endless. puyo is divided into people who can 8+ chain and people who can't, meanwhile there's enough ways to play tetris to satisfy everybody.
this too, even since the start of tetris 1 people have complained about how lopsided it is even with the slight change to puyo's physics.
>normalfag tetris play will get swamped by even average puyo players
>any slightly skilled tetris swamps a puyo player because of just how ludicrously fast a tetris player can be
"the tetris player is at a slight disadvantage" became a meme for a good reason even without 2 buffing 4-wide, they're two games that while it sounds fine on paper to team them up, in practice shows just how badly they actually fit together despite sega's constant pushing.
>>713767173
which version? precise museum updated it along with putting it on 3DS and PSP pretty recently.
maybe now they can finish the fever 2 translation soon

>>713767605
>which version?
The 3DS one they posted earlier this week
I haven't done much more than a few characters' stories so far but just having all the different rulesets in the story mode is like finding an oasis in the desert for someone who started playing Puyo with PPT1

>>713767173
I unironically believe puyo would be considered the planetary sport if they just put good tutorials in the games and pushed them a little harder but then all the time and work some people put into researching and practicing alone would be for not and everyone would be good at puyo so it is better they dont do that but still desu.

>>713755553 (OP)
Sex with draco
that is all

>>713768080
>The 3DS one they posted earlier this week
i went for the PSP version but i haven't patched it yet, i'm behind on translated content since i still haven't played the waku waku puyo dungeon translation, the PC-98 madou translations and now madou fia is a month away.
>I haven't done much more than a few characters' stories so far but just having all the different rulesets in the story mode is like finding an oasis in the desert for someone who started playing Puyo with PPT1
the anniversary games are some of the franchise's best entries on a gameplay front for the sega games, general favorites are fever 2, SUN and yo~n but the latter is only for the art and music, gameplay blows. it's a shame that puzzle pop is apple exclusive when it's adopting the style of those games.
>>713768332
we would have tournaments rivaling the sheer kino of the 90's but sadly we do not live in such a perfect world.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbf-Z2IgnVY

>>713768368
90s Draco was more stacked.
Sega puyo characters are sticks and Body Type 2s.

>>713768332
Puyo was one of the most popular games in Japan with an entire e-sports scene up until the Chigyu incident happened nd Sega went full-retard.

And yes I place the blame for sega's neglect entirely on the Chigyu incident and multiple executives/suits saying "I agree, why are we catering to these stupid cartoon games when we make Yakuza?"

>>713768943
sometimes i wonder if it's just hard for mikame to draw big breasts in the sega style. i do think they'd look a bit odd on the current artstyle but it does feel odd when busty characters like rulue are only slightly perky in the new games.
>>713769051
>>713769123
i think sega higher-ups in general don't see puyo as that profitable in general outside of it being a popular puzzle game back then and the incident just left a door open for them to really start their bullshit.

Puyo Puyo to Sega is sort of that side-venture IP to them since few things if any can match Tetris and fewer people care about non-mobile puzzle games.

Maybe if people went out of their way to show that people care I believe the best one might even get out of sega that isn't mobile or port related is some manzai maker or some shit. At least AI translations are doing better so I can look into some of the JP exclusive stuff.

>>713766862
Puyo.io when

Just made a breakthrough in pooyu (unusable puyo) management. Usually you got column 5 and 6 to dump bad pieces in. Dont fill up 6 then start filling up 5. Fill them both equally at the same time.

>>713769841
>sometimes i wonder if it's just hard for mikame to draw big breasts in the sega style.
I feel the Sega style specifically calls for everyone to be the most overexaggerated Super-Deformed version so it could make the old cast look perfectly normal standing next to middle school children to keep the old cast from towering over them. Like picture how SD Rulue looks compared to Raffina, who should be a head shorter, in the Sega artstyle.
I don't know what else to call the Sega artstyle other than Super deformed. It's definitely not Chibi.

>>713770425
I don't know, I feel like every gimmick they've tried throwing in just make things worse.

>>713755553 (OP)
GAOOOooo!

>>713757765
WHY DIDNT YOU SIGN THE PETITION

>>713770605
that's probably why 15th onwards also changed the manzai to usually be from the waist up, there's not much sense of scale anymore aside from ocean prince.
i do wish one day they do a style more similar to sun's cutscenes or yo~n but considering they've stuck with their style since fever 1 i don't think they'll pivot from that anytime soon.

>>713768368
Draco tummy cutesexo

>>713770605
>I don't know what else to call the Sega artstyle other than Super deformed.
Its called superflat.

if tetris 2's bigger roster is gonna be a regular thing from now on, they better start bringing back characters that aren't from puyo 1 instead of just lagnus and serilly, maybe even bring back some forgotten fever characters. they can't just rot away in the gacha game forever.

>>713771636
>but considering they've stuck with their style since fever 1
The current style isn't Fever 1 or even 2's at all. Fever 1/2 were way more dynamic and varied, especially in terms of character build and proportions.

Unfortunately, Hideyuki Takenami is in the clutches of Konami now, and Shoko Ninomiya is too busy being a twitter fujoshi.

>>713772981
>Shoko Ninoyama is a rotten-women
Harsh thing to call her. What kinda smutm is psoting on twitter?

>>713772981
i was moreso lumping all the sega styles together when saying that but wholeheartedly agree. i wish the art was as fluid as fever-15th's again (technically 7 too but most of that's traced or reused)
>>713773206
iirc kingdom hearts

>>713771680
>>713771890
Lizard NEEDS sex

>>713771964
I could live with Superflat Draco

>>713774785
she isn't sexually charged though unlike satan, rulue, minotauros or witch

>>713774907
Holy...

>>713755553 (OP)
unless they do more with the puyo characters than just the standard puzzle game i doubt we'll ever get out of tetris hell

>>713778012
i fucking hate the fact that sega seems so deadset on barely referencing the franchise in other games (outside of yakuza, funnily enough) or doesn't make any spinoffs like what compile used to do. it shouldn't be that hard to do unless sega shuts them down like that fighting game that was apparently thought up at one point

wonder if anyone's playing the MSX madou switch ports despite being untranslated.

fiah

ISIS BOMBU

>>713757393
what the fuck is a tail?
i can barely 3 chain

I'm so fucking mad about that one game being stuck on fucking Apple Arcade

>>713784740
i hope one day it releases on consoles.

Who is winning the Arle bowl

>>713787297
(You) the player, she'll thank you for always being by her side ever since you were both children.

>>713787297
arle obviously
https://files.catbox.moe/pcsgp1.mp4

>>713787297
Ragnus the Brave is the closest we have to a actual love interest.

>>713778012
>>713778195
Wasn't Puyo Puyo Chronicles a spinoff?

>>713769123
>>713769841
>Chigyu incident
Story?

>>713770605
>>713769841
God, I love Rulue.

>>713768332
The game does have the potential for mainstream appeal, but it's hard to imagine in the modern world. Easy though it is to mock them for putting a game on mobile, that is probably the place where most puzzle games go nowadays.

>>713787669
I also played that Arle Ryona vore hentai game though. Imagine that kind of cancels it out.

>>713788965
kind of? it's the closest thing but it's moreso popping puyo with rpg gameplay most likely as a reminder of what came before due to being the 25th anniversary game but i'd still classify it as a main entry just due to the fact everything outside the story mode is just more usual puyo popping against friends or the ai (just without every character because i guess they didn't bother fully making lagnus, seriri, harpy, onion pixie or dongurigaeru outside of skill battles). i'd call it a grey area where it depends on who you're talking to.

i wish it hadn't have bombed so hard, it's genuine fun if you're into shit like constantly upgrading your shit or just beating up the postgame superbosses but it seems like all it'll ever be known for is being made shitty in tetris 2 and ally and rafisol becoming two more members of the "we have to be in every single game afterwards" group.

>>713789461
Hmmm, fair enough. I do wonder how they could handle a Puyo Puyo spinoff nowadays. The old games went in some pretty weird places, but a lot of that was pretty unsuccessful. You also had the Disc Station games, but those were given away for free (Sort off).

I guess I would like to see something like a Fire Emblem clone. Or something else that uses the huge cast to it's benefit. Maybe also go back to actually featuring a magical school as a major setting.

>>713755553 (OP)
>Puyopuyo was the best selling game on the Megadrive in Japan, even beating out Sonic which was only #3
>The series has since stagnated
What went wrong?

>>713789986
Years of mismanagement going back all the way to the Compile era. Puyo Puyo is one of the all time cursed Video Game franchises. It's largely coasting off the remaining E-Sport fags and general nostalgia.

>even beating out Sonic which was only #3
What was 2?

>>713787297
There are more important ships.

>>713790206
It's largely coasting off the remaining E-Sport fags
A fate worse than death.
>What was 2?
Shining Force

>>713790372
I should play that someday, speaking as a huge Fire Emblem fan.

>>713789909
>I guess I would like to see something like a Fire Emblem clone. Or something else that uses the huge cast to it's benefit. Maybe also go back to actually featuring a magical school as a major setting.
i would fucking adore something that used more of the cast (that isn't quest) like a more real rpg more in the vein of saturn madou or like you said, fire emblem, i know compile really were just throwing the madou characters at anything but i still feel that's better than sega being weirdly against the notion.
>>713789986
like another anon said, general mismanagement across the entire franchise. even compile had their faults like said slapping of the madou characters into random shit like a parappa/DDR clone or a pokemon clone (even if i like arle's adventure) and the theme park basically being their undoing. sega meanwhile started off on a decent foot with the fever games after trying to reign with shit like minna, only to cry right back to the compile characters with 15th because fever 2 didn't sell a million copies and then wandered around aimlessly after adding in suzuran.

>>713790298
Schezo is too much of an autist to ever actually get with anybody. He has a literal succubus wanting his dick and he doesn't do anything with him despite Saturn hinting he actually has a femdom fetish.

Btw, am I crazy or is Witch clearly the inspiration for Marisa Kirisame in Touhou? Hell, even Schezo kind of reminds of Meira from the second game.

>>713790456
It's fun but I wouldn't go into it with the mindset that it's a complex strategy game. It really cares more about the RPG side of strategy RPGs. That said, it's still an impressive game considering it was released within the same week as FE2 and it's sequel somehow came out before FE3.

>>713790639
>spoiler
i've definitely heard the comparisons a lot, though i never cared too much for touhou so it's probably just another of those PC-98 touhou game thing that's obviously shouting out another franchise.
>implying witch wouldn't just drug schezo with a potion and then rape him in his dank cave

>>713790589
A new Madou-esque game would be very cool, yeah. Though, granted, apparently Compile is already making that?

>i know compile really were just throwing the madou characters at anything but i still feel that's better than sega being weirdly against the notion.
Honestly, while it was obviously just cashing in on the Pokemon craze, I don't hate the idea of a Pokemon esque Puyo Puyo games. Monsters have always played a large role in the games and are generally popular enough that I doubt few people would mind if they were given more of an spotlight. I could unironically see something made by Atlus in the mold of Persona working.

>>713790770
Apparently, going by what i heard, the guy in charge found Fire Emblem unplayable due to the bad pacing. I want to mock this, but if he was talking about FE1 and 2 I find it hard to disagree. Ironically 3 was the first game with actual good pacing.

>and it's sequel somehow came out before FE3.
To be fair, 3 was a insanely ambitious game at the time.

>bought PPT2S at launch
>haven't been able to play online more than two or three times
>no opponents found any time of day

>>713790906
I heard somebody claim Marisa is based on a different character, but I also know ZUN IS apparently into Puyo Puyo. It's influence is there, though not as much as SMT.

Honestly makes me wonder why she hasn't already.

>>713790639
>spoiler
Marisa's first design was based off Cotton
I don't think her later design has much in common with her outside of both being blonde witches with brooms
Meira 100% references Schezo in her dialogue but her design comes from an Izumi Takamoto painting
Me personally I think Mystia looks like Harpy

>>713790639
If it means anything when looking to find a witch picture I had saved I almost clicked on a Marisa picture because I mistoke the two at a glance.

>>713791197
>I don't think her later design has much in common with her outside of both being blonde witches with brooms
Their personality occasionally can be kind of similar. Granted, Marisa is probably a nicer person. But that might also be because she's in a setting where the average niceness level of the characters is very low. Reimu on her best days makes Arle on her worst seem like a saint.

>Meira 100% references Schezo in her dialogue but her design comes from an Izumi Takamoto painting
Curious now if you have a link to the painting?

>Me personally I think Mystia looks like Harpy
Yeah, I can see that. Mystia is FAR more immoral than Harpy though.

>>713783010
Its the setup for turukame

>>713791134
It's not just Fire Emblem, a good bit of the development team disliked strategy games a whole and took 0 inspiration from it the collective genre. They really based the game more heavily off of dragon quest. Infact the only reason it's a strategy rpg is because the main two game programers decided they were gonna code it that way regardless of what the rest of the development team thought.

>>713791508
Meira on left
Kotohime on the right
Notice Kototohime's inspiration specially shares the exact same pose she does in her PoDD attack cut in
Funny thing is that this is a double reference since the girls in the original painting are cosplaying an obscure famicom game

>>713792281
I can see it. Kotohime especially really does look way too damn close.

>>713770958
There is a difference between digital only games and games that will no longer work after a company pulls the servers.