>Toby is a weeb
>Japan is all about that Buddhist shit like cycles
>DELTARUNE will end with everyone forgetting what happened
>This prevents The Roaring
>The adventures will never happen again
>Dess will never be found
>Susie will never befriend anyone
I'm 100% on this ending. Everyone is gonna HATE IT, he's gonna get so many death threats.
>>713801664 (OP)the whole point of Buddhism is to break out of the cycle
>>713801664 (OP)Deltarune's ending was determined a long, long time ago, back when Toby was still living in America.
That's how the Snowgrave route will end, since everything points towards it being the "get the prophecy back on track" route. Normal route and Sword route are going to end up very differently.
Noelle is the knight. It's a manifestation of her trauma from Dess's disappearance, her asshole mother, and her dad dying of monster cancer. Notice that the Knight appeared after Carol whooped her ass in Ch4. It was revealed that Noelle has a SOUL in Ch4's weird route. This other SOUL is cooperating with our SOUL, but Carol knows how to rip it out of Noelle when it suits her agenda. Also Dess is 100% dead and never coming back. Absolutely destroyed by a pick up truck.
>>713804480>That's how the Snowgrave route will end, since everything points towards it being the "get the prophecy back on track" route.The exact opposite actually.
>>713804903I'm gonna one-up your post: the Knight is the final stage of Noelle from a timeline where Snowgrave went even more out of control and is actively trying to recreate that in the "regular" one. Don't forget that the previous game was all about characters percieving game runs as alternate timelines, we're getting into yet another multiversal war.
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>>713804590>A Mizzle gets steamy when flusteredImagine
Wait, (You) are a devil!
>Offer temptation and power to Noelle in Chapter 2
>Force her into a sin in a way that will lead to her sinning more in chapter 4
Chapter 6 will have her killing motherfuckers before we even ask
Chapter 8 will be her marrying us
>>713805240I.... Couldn't satisfy her
So... Is this a guitar pick?
>>713805123I think if anyone is that, it's Gaster.
>>713804480The game's Steam page says it has only one ending. If it has multiple endings I shall be demanding a refund and filing a class action lawsuit for false advertising!!!FACT!!!
>>713805659It pulls the strings and makes them ring
>>713804967Nope. It's the route that forces the prophecy, making Noelle into a hero again and Kris into the role of the cage.
>>713804903No, the Knight is the hole where Susie should be.
>>713805707>Sans wonโฆthe AIDS catching competition
>>713805123I'm gonna one-up YOUR post: the Knight is the child of the Susie of an alternate future where Berdly created his Smartopia and became a tyrannical despot, killed Kris and stole the Soul, and made Queen his concubine, and the Noelle of an alternate future where Tenna killed the Fun Gang and brainwashed the entire world into watching his shows, and that Susie and Noelle met in an alternate past where Clover survived the events of Undertale Yellow and teamed up with Frisk against the Super Absolute God of Hyperdeath. Hyperdeath! HYPERDEATH!, who is the Mad Dummy after absorbing the Souls of seventy alternate Frisks.
>>713805667Considering how Toby reacts to fan theories and all, i'm convinced he's dead set of making sure we will never see Gaster, no matter what.
Are the Eggs and Shadow Crystals supposed to parallel one another? There seems to only be five of both, and one seems more aligned with the Knight/Violence while the other is aligned with the Eggman/Healing/Goodness. Gaster encourages you to get the Shadow Crystals and lets you retry for them, while seeing the Eggs as an "issue". The Eggs are all connected to Kris' past, while the Shadow Crystals seem to be showing alternate timelines or futures. Friend is implied to have come from one of the Eggman's Eggs according to the Sweepstakes but he's also guiding us to collect the Shadow Crystals.
>>713805901egg isn't aligned with shit
you have to be either autistic or lucky to get them
>a girl will never look at you like this
>>713805760The game itself is literally telling you you're wrong.
>>713805990Wrong! Evidence in point: My Mother is a girl >:)
>>713801664 (OP)Krusie will become canon
>>713805974You're not supposed to play Deltarune unless you're autistic
>>713806006It's funny how clearly this refers to Kris in retrospect. I never considered anyone but berdly
>>713805901Snowgrave blocks you from getting an egg and forces you to get a Shadow Crystal, so yeah probably.
When will dess pay for her crimes
>>713804590damn nigga that shit is cute
>>713805890Toby hates Western theories. Gaster is popular in nippon land, so he will be respected.
>>713806183Do not respost lmao
You can skip the power bracelet in board 1, but Susie will automatically have it and know how to use it in Board 2 sadly
>>713805901You will need to get all the Eggs to get the final Crystal against Grandpa Semi.
>>713806501>JJK>Image for ants.
>>713806636I want my Gooner wife.
>>713806186Kris is the black bead. Pic related is from chapter 4 weird route.
>>713806662This is the image for ants
>>713806332God i wish i was a little boy and Dess molested me
>>713805901Eggs represent birth. Shadow Crystals represent death. This is probably going to be majorly important when the Roaring hits. Like I bet there's going to be an altar or some shit where you're supposed to put the Shadow Crystals, but putting the eggs there will make something else happen.
>>713806741Anon, what colour is Kris in the Dark world
>>713806479>Toby hates Western theories.he literally made a whole secret boss to pay homage to the western theories
you are retarded
>>713806741there is no black bead
So next chapter is all about jealousy, and probably going to heavily involve Asgore and Sans. So if they come to blows, which one is going to win? And which one do (You) want to win?
>>713806332Have you not seen all the "Asgore runs over dess" memes
>>713806897um no actually that was actually ALL done out of spite and he hates them i swear!!!
>>713804590why are most deltarune artists niggerfaggots who only post their art on twitter, the worst site imaginable to post art
>>713806982Reminder that we still haven't seen Asgore fighting at full strength
>>713806835Seam said he's going to use the Shadow Crystals to make something, so maybe if you give him the Eggs instead he makes an omelette and you can feed it to Gaster and stop the Roaring
>>713806662The pic says "no reuploading", faggot
>>713806897Making fun of them and depicting them as insane lunatics.
>>713807037What makes me seethe is
>see art>usualy low res jpegslop>check artist twitter>no pixiv link>only 1 link to one of those SNS link aggregator sites>their pixiv is there>they actually uploaded the same pictures in absurdres png instead on pixivI'm sure getting paid if your tweets are popular didn't help this cause either.
Do you think the reason the chapter 5 weird route page only went up to chapter 5 is because that's where weird route ends, or because 6 and 7 are so wildly different on side b that there's no comparison?
>>713807118We are all cheaters here.
Reminder there's a woman that sees Asgore's worth
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>>713807192consider seeking an autism diagnosis
The whole thing is a variation of Chara's plan from Undertale. They want to fuse their Human body with a poweful Monster's soul (Noelle post Snowgrave). The they'll be powerful enough to to reset the timeline and go back to when they were happy again before they were a completely ostracised weirdo
>>713806741I think the "Dark" here is in reference to the description Kris (and the other party members) would typically have at that point, "Dark Hero." The bead toy having colors corresponding to each of the main party members seems like stronger evidence to me
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>>713807256People like you are the reason why Japanese artists hate us. Sad!
>>713806982>which one is going to winSans because he's funny meme skeleton and Asgore has loser cuck written into his DNA
>which one do (You) want to winOf course I want Asgore "Never Veer For Deer" Dreemurr to win
>in the Japanese version the person on the phone says kris canโt enter the dark world without the soul
Why does Toby keep giving the Japanese version different dialogue?
>>713807242Chapter 6 is going to take place in Undertale so it won't matter and Chapter 7 will require you to play both to unlock
>>713807740He's an autist with troll's remorse that fell for the "accurate translations can't be possible" propaganda and he's dedicating body and SOUL to make sure that's what's going to happen so he justify the narrative.
>>713807287Ah, if only
She'd be the one able to stand up against Toriel and tell her off for being such a horrible cunt of a mother as she treated Asgore like garbage
>>713807740>in the Japanese version Anon, I thought it was clearly stated in English unless retards in this fandom think otherwise.
>>713807740it already said that in english version
>>713807740Kris is fucking dead and we're the only ones able to make him be alive still
>>713807242Weird route page?
>>713804480Hol' up. Are you telling me there's 3 routes, now?
Reminder, it's the Lancer fan club, NOT Fun Gang.
>>713808086You sound surprised, considering Undertale had three routes.
>>713806183AHHHH!! Nintendo, save me!
>>713807971>>713807931Is is implied, but it isn't said explicitly in the English version.
>>713808108Nah, it's the Fuck Squad.
>>713808086"Sword route" is the internal name for the Mantle side game. It probably won't influence much beyond Ch3 because imagine the dev time needed for a third route we'd never see this fucking game come out
>>713804480"Sword Route" is the internal name for the S-rank games in chapter 3 you play to get the Shadow Mantle. It's not an actual gameplay route for the entire game, unless you're going full schizo "actually pixel Kris will show up as a superboss and beating him will let you make the ultimate sword of titan slaying" or some shit.
>>713808208it's called fuck squad because susie and ralsei fuck each other all the time
>>713808086>>713808220The actual third route is Aborted Snowgrave for the Twisted Sword
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>>713807909Toby will never allow Asgore to be happy.
>>713808208>>713808316Actually it's the Fun Lancer Fuck Club.
>>713807971>>713807931It's not, in the english version all that's said is
>... Kris...>dark world...>no soul... can't...Which could mean anything. It could mean that Kris can't create a Dark World without a soul.
>>713808402But we see Kris create a Dark World while the Soul is out of the body.
>>713808402>Kris can't create a Dark World without a soul.With all due respect, how can anyone think that given what happened at the end of chapter 2?
>>713805123What reason would all of the main cast create?
>>713808402The most obvious thing would be saying that without a soul Kris can't seal a dark world or beat the Titans, since that's literally what we do in the game.
Saying that Kris can't even go into a dark world without a soul is opening up massive questions because it implies he's an object a not a real human, and would turn into something else in the dark world without us.
>>713808363>>713807287I never played the mad dummy fight
Why ship these two characters?
>>713807713It's okay. They don't browse 4chan.
>>713808220A hidden minikris superboss would rock
>>713808625Why do Japanese artists love to ship these two so much?
>>713807740Post the translated version of this.
>>713808485>>713808529It could mean anything. All we learn is that Kris can't do something related to the Dark World without a soul. In the Japanese version, we learn he can't enter the dark world without a soul. Why are you acting like this is hard to understand?
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>>713805901 >1 egg = 1 character reincarnated in the new world
>>713808402We literally see Kris create a Dark World soulless.
>>713805990>CintheyellaSensible chuckle
>>713808761I can't wait to see Kris get hit with by a truck
>>713808661It's a decent ship. Psycho yandere girl is obsessed with you (Frisk).
>>713808573I assume since the SOUL holds the will of a person, without it he would just turn into a Darkner.
>>713808802Dess already called dibs.
>>713808573>it implies he's an object a not a real human, and would turn into something else in the dark world without usLovely. We're a tool for something that's not even a human or a monster.
>>713808661They're shipped with ME.
>>713808810Frisk isn't us. She's part of my human harem of two.
>>713808819this. without he's just a walking corpse
>>713808075https://deltarune.com/chapter5/
The size and color of the numbers seem to correlate to the amount of content related to the weird route in each chapter.
>>713808863Wow... Kris is Flowey!
>>713808618In Deltarune, Maddy asks to say hi to Asgore for her iin a playful tone but gets quickly embarrassed and tells you to forget about it, implying she's crushing on him.
>>713808694Your given example of what else it could mean is directly contradicted by events that happen in the game. So you're a fucking idiot that has no place trying to analyze the game text.
It very obviously means the same thing that the Japanese version says, even without having to look at the Japanese version for clarification.
>>713808573You mean get out? Because objects can enter Dark Worlds. What they can't do is going out without turning into objects again. Anyway Kris can clearly do it so I don't think it has nothing to do with that.
>>713808996Its like its the mission of every Dreemurr brat to piss off the player at every turn. Can't wait to see Kris' sob story even he would really rather we remain ignorant.
>>713809108What did Frisk ever do?
>>713808683next...
...dark...
fountain...
...susie...
guitar...
don't let her touch...
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soul...
necessary...
soul...
without/if it's not there...
Kris...
...susie...
guitar...code...
stop...
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sacrifice...
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kris...dark world...
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>>713808573>because it implies he's an object a not a real human, and would turn into something else in the dark world without us.I feel like the anon suggesting that ICE-E is some kind of lycanthropic state for Kris would get a kick out of this
>>713807287>womanasgore truly can never win
fuck gaster, why do we have to put with this violent piece of shit and and not the vessel
>>713809206You would react just as badly as Kris if you were possessed by somebody.
>>713809206a vessel would not change the future. Kris with (You) will.
>>713809036>Your given exampleI didn't give any example. The guy's example was shit, and you know it. The correct way to put it is that it could mean Kris can't do something related to the dark work. We don't know anything else.
>It very obviously means the same thing that the Japanese version saysAbsolutely not. The Japanese version is more specific. When I was playing the game, I didn't know what he couldn't do, I just assumed he probably couldn't enter. But it could have been anything else. Now that I read the Japanese version, it's clear.
Except Fox got the ending when he was in America
>>713809254Its almost like You being inside of him part of some stupid plan that he and his collaborator is doing. So this logic fails because it was self induced.
Susie seems to be foreshadowed as half-human, since she's got blood. And she's able to keep the soul in line more reliably than any other character. Then there's the foreshadowing about the cage with human "soul" and "parts". I think these three facts are related.
>normal route
>kris goes AWOL
>SOUL goes to Susie
>Susie doesn't know enough to try and divert the prophecy
>(You) can't control her enough to put any more effort into diverting the prophecy
>if you did every optional goal to help her with her personal growth, she'll make the right choices on her own
>prophecy is fulfilled positively if she did it well enough, otherwise dark ending
>weird route
>Kris goes AWOL
>SOUL goes to Noelle
>(You) have full control
>Can divert the prophecy
>???
I can't really tell what we'll want to do from there.
Finished snowgrave almost blind(just needed some anons to tell me to use iceshock and figure the rest out)
Took like 25 hours, did all secret bosses.
How different is normal route? is it worth another save atm? I plan doing both but this shit seems like it wont be complete until 2027
>>713808220Sword Route is just what I'm calling the completionist gather-all-the-shadow-crystals route.
>>713809412i don't think Kris was expecting you to have sentience.
>>713808220Third route is stopping snowgrave after you start it. Some weird neutral/genocide mix if you think Undertale.
>>713809206Gaster was interrupted by something else. He wanted to put us in the vessel, that's clear from the intro, but something or someone intervened.
>>713809157So it's just as chopped up and out of context as the English dialogue, and isn't saying anything new. Gotcha.
>>713809379>The guy's example was shit, and you know itLet me remind you of what you just wrote.
>>713808402>Which could mean anything. It could mean that Kris can't create a Dark World without a soul.
>>713808220>>713809463>he doesnt have a save where he beat the knight without a shadow mantle your true pacifist is fucked, sword route tracks kills like actual kills
>>713807256Now, honesty, that'll take you somewhere.
>>713809447There's no foreshadowing for the Half-Human bit. Susie specifically says 'everyone bleeds'. It's more likely that monsters in this universe don't function in the same way that they do in Undertale.
>>713809447>it's another "female character hijacks the protagonist role at the last second and becomes the franchise's new protagonist" episodeOne more added to the pile if that's true.
>>713809501These idiots are fucking around with things they don't understand and can suffer the consequences depending on the player. But people would rather baby them. As said years ago, nobody asked for Kris.
>>713809575I didn't care about "true" pacifist so I'm fine. Besides, those tracked kills go away next chapter, don't they? Toby's point about Undertale was never "you should feel bad about killing the pixels", so it'd make no sense for there to be a consequence for it here. At worst it'll be closer to "don't go to a world of symbology and then symbolically harm your friends".
>>713809575isnt no shadow mantle knight basically no hit? 1-2 at most? I really do hope Toby keeps true pacifist behind that challenge. Like how Genocide Sans was the true wall. Still never beat him legit, but I did beat the knight.
>>713809206Im hoping the vessel is just being used to store Kris' soul for the time being while we do timeline fuckery possessing Kris
>>713803970This.
The entire point is samsara and breaking out of the endless cycle to achieve enlightenment. If you were making this argument for Undertale, then you MIGHT have a point since that's present in some way.
Deltarune doesn't even have a hint of there being a cycle.
>>713809663Frisk was always female though.
>>713809575There is no way the Shadow Mantle won't be relevant later.
>>713809663Heh... consider your expectations...subverted
>>713809447Listen. I can follow your logic. But I can't get over how aggressively stupid introducing "half-humans" would feel, especially without Susie ever mentioning her being one to Kris. Isn't it more likely that the little rabbit kid just didn't know she's also made of blood and Gerson was cremated
>>713809653Monsters DON'T bleed. The monster child asks you what it's like being "made of blood". That implies blood is seen as the "weird human substance", a toddler-ish kid seeing it as equivalent to dust. Also, monsters DO still decay into dust in Deltarune, it's important to their funerary traditions.
>>713809671>As said years ago, nobody asked for Kris.Toriel and Asgore did...
>>713809575it's not the shadow mantle that bricks it, it's the crystal
>>713809442>a retard weeb fat disgusting lizard or
>a BPD ghost "female" with anger issuesAsgore can't fucking win.
>>713809567I didn't post that.
Anyway, you know what we're talking about, and EOPs aren't getting the full picture of the story apparently.
>>713809768What, so Humans and Monsters can't mix? Is that what you're saying?
>>713809672>Toby's point about Undertale was never "you should feel bad about killing the pixels", so it'd make no sense for there to be a consequence for it here.those arent mutually exclusive though
in undertale the point was that you reap what you sow, both the good and the bad. every action has its consequence. thats the point of both games being built on event flags upon event flags upon event flags
and deltarune already has major consequences for you choosing to โkillโ
>>713809787this anons right. Hence Gersons Dust on his glass globe. It was most likely the only thing left of him allowing him to show up in the dark world.
>>713809157Well, it's mostly the same. Thanks for posting!
>>713809575Your "pacifist" route is fucked if you finish chapter 4 at all.
>>713809875how?
You dont kill the titan, susie does
>>713809883DAMMIT
im either going to move the fart alt to another folder or become a ritualposter
>>713809565>>713809874Mostly, but it has "can't enter" instead of just "can't". That's kind of a big difference.
>>713808843>gushing granny
Where do you stand on who took down Susie and Ralsei? I'm not really sure, myself. I was originally fully on board the Knight doing it, but Ralsei's reaction, more than anything else, is making me think it over.
One thing which occurred to me as I read this image over was that if it's Kris, then the way the screen goes black before each slash may be diegetic, not just for effect. The way Kris flinches and looks away from the screen when killing the pixel Ralsei and Susie could be what's happening there: Kris has to shut his eyes to stand taking them down. Then he closes his eyes expecting to get slashed by the Knight (to make it look real), but opens them when he feels himself being Knighted instead.
>>713805890Do we even know 100% how does gaster look like? The mystery men from UT might as well be the same guy who gives eggs and a separate character from gaster. They both function similarly
>>713809867The point of Undertale was that you shouldn't treat systemically extracting every possible drop of joy from something you like as "normal" or "expected". The reason the characters get sad when you kill them is to make it harder for people who are attached to the characters to start systemically extracting more character interactions from the game just to stay with their favorites.
>>713809787So you're taking the text of a stupid ass kid into account for the entire discussion? Noelle mentions blood with food, so it isn't just a weird human thing. Susie bleeds because monsters in this world actually do have blood. Cremation could just be the primary form of corpse disposal in this world, as we haven't seen anyone else get dusted nor are there any other mentions of dust besides Gerson. The entire point of monsters turning to dust in Undertale is because their bodies were primarily magic. Magic doesn't exist in Deltarune outside of the Dark World, which is why Rudy is in a regular ass fucking hospital.
Ergo, everybody bleeds, because that's the only fucking way the story maintains consistent.
>>713809565tell me where in the english script the word "enter" is uttered
>>713809663Undertale already had a female protagonist. We are going back to the series roots.
>>713809824Alphys is kind of cute if you can get her to shut up about anime.
>>713809832I'm saying I don't think the writer(s) have any interest in exploring that possibility
Toriel is ready to hit the streets.
Has this been posted here already? It's dialogue from the Ribbick enemies, and I can't help but think that it's about Asriel and Dess.
>>713809824The ghost is female.
No pronouns faggotry or anything.
>>713809663>last secondBitch Susie has obviously been the protagonist from minute one. The endgame for Deltarune is ditching Kris and getting in her instead.
Spamton seems like someones controlling him like we are with Kris. His final dialog at the shop is a major hint at it.
>monsters bleed but are still majority made of magic hence why they turn to dust (in deltarune)
>human forms are 99.9% physical with their โmagicโ or human equivalent (e.g. determination) concentrated in the soul
>hence humans being โmade of bloodโ yet monsters still bleeding. in susieโs words, โeverybody bleedsโ
>>713810114Fuck off Noelle we're going back to the diner and then we'll hang out in the closet at school
>>713810217Aren't they and Jevil talking about being in a video game?
>>713810030>Noelle mentions blood with foodThe food's blood, anon. Not her blood, not a hypothetical person's blood, the blood of the food, because it was meat. (Or the HeartsDonut.)
Of course a girl who's by then a teenager would understand blood as more than "the thing humans have instead of dust".
>The entire point of monsters turning to dust in Undertale is because their bodies were primarily magic. Magic doesn't exist in Deltarune outside of the Dark WorldAre you proposing that the ghosts are physical entities with normal physical bodies that just so happen to resemble sheet ghosts? Why was Mettaton fantasizing about building then possessing a robot body? If they're not corporeal, what do you call that but magic?
>>713810030Read the library book upstairs. Monsters turn into dust naturally, they aren't cremated.
>>713809832This reminds me of a UT comic about a son of Chara and Asriel. Anyone remember what it's called?
>>713810046Doesn't matter, the point is that it's chopped up and incomplete. It's the most obvious misdirection possible and it's insane people are falling for it. You know what we entered in chapter 4 when we were in the dark world? The Titan's mouth, so we could seal it away, which we couldn't do without a soul.
>>713809986I never considered the cut to black effect after susie and kris are already down. That's a good interpretation that lines up with what Kris has done before.
>>713809447>Can divert the prophecyCan't divert the prophecy.
>* Oh, ya went this way. Hmm, hmm.>* Y'know, I've got a mighty hunch this ain't the right way.>* ... Though, I do like goin' the wrong way.>* You get better ideas that way.Getting into chapter 4 at all means we've gone the "wrong way" and it's impossible to stop the prophecy.
>>713810294>>713810290How does the Thornring do something then, though?
>>713810294The library book doesn't say that, it just says their dust is buried with their favourite object.
The trick will obviously be deleting your save, starting new one and then loading into Kris' save at the prologue
>>713810403Clearing referencing Undertale.
>>713810383What... do you think it's going? It goes on Noelle's finger and inflicts pain. Does it specifically have to be a bleeding wound for you to consider it painful? Can you not conceptualize how a being would be wounded but not bleeding...?
>>713807740I was wondering about that, maybe a soulless body would be considered an object and he would become a darkner
>>713810290>Are you proposing that the ghosts are physical entities with normal physical bodies that just so happen to resemble sheet ghosts? Why was Mettaton fantasizing about building then possessing a robot body? If they're not corporeal, what do you call that but magic?That's just their bodies, yes. They're just that way, same way Sans looks like a human skeleton. It's not magic, it's just how they are. It's explicitly stated that magic in the world doesn't exist. Noelle wishes she could use it in real life for Rudy, Toriel uses a stovetop to cook rather than her magic, etc. It's just how that particular type of monster functions.
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>>713809653It's a fairly nonsensical line no matter how you cut it. Because even if bleeding was normal for monsters, some clearly don't. I'm pretty damn sure the ghosts don't bleed for one thing. Worth noting the japanese version of this line doesn't even mention blood.
>>713810030>So you're taking the text of a stupid ass kid into account for the entire discussion?Yes because the only way the context makes any damn sense was if being made of blood was considered unusual. Doesn't matter if a kid said it, kid had to have been told at some point that humans are made of blood and that would have only been considered something to say if being made of blood was seen as unusual.
Favorite line of dialog from the new chapters?
>>713809986Anyone who says otherwise is delusional, especially if their reasoning is "Kris wouldn't do that because they're friends uwu." We don't know who the real Kris is. We never have. We cannot hear their voice or their thoughts. We don't even know if they even think of Susie and Ralsei as friends - for all we know the soul we're controlling is an actual person and Kris is using their personality as a cover.
>>713809986Something about the file name leads me to believe it's just the Knight. If I have my facts straight the slash is labeled "roaring knight"-- if it were meant to be ambiguous, I imagine it would be labeled just "knight." Kris is *a* knight, but not the roaring knight. Kris could somehow be revealed as a "roaring knight," though
>>713810591I mean, in context she just means it figuratively. Pretty obviously so, even.
>>713810251Spamton seems different. His final dialog with the "Friends" option is him being "someone, please help me" OH WAIT I didnt hear anything, but they sounded like they were talking to YOU.
>>713810403interesting. Gersons favorite object is covered in dust but unburied.
>>713809986I believe Kris took them down, but he did it for their own safety, to prevent Knight from killing them (especially Susie).
>>713807520>>713809182sheโll be one after taking my dick
>>713810228I don't know if we can really trust Susie's words, considering how ignorant she seems of the world as a whole.
I believe Susie is an orphan or such, and she lives under a guardian who might not have her best interests at heart. So, she doesn't learn at school, and she doesn't learn at home. If no one teaches her anything, wouldn't she assume everyone is like her, even if they're not? (Full of blood)
She commits lots of grammar mistakes too.
>>713810537If there are multiple types of physical body with multiple different sets of extra-biological "rules", their definition of "magic" is just not the same as ours. I refuse to believe that I could stab Napstablook and get blood, Susie saying "everybody bleeds" is because she didn't know her dad and assumed she was full monster and thus that her bleeding was normal.
>>713809986It's very obviously the Knight. Anything else is ridiculous headcanon. Leave it to Deltarune fans to create some kind of mystery where one doesn't exist.
>>713809986I thought it was Kris from the get go, due to Ralsei's reaction and the knighting afterwards. Then realizing the foreshadowing from the Mantle game.
I don't think he wanted to, which is why he flinches/shuts his eyes, plus is body language getting knighted makes me think he hates everything about what just happened.
>had a dream about chapter 5
>you can interact with sans during the festival and he brought his brother
>his brother looks not like papyrus, or sans, or gaster even
>its just a more realistic skeleton head, with distinct eyeballs, trapped in an immobile chain steel coffin with only his head visible
>doesnt say anything, just stares (his text box frequently appears, but he never says a word, only his eyes move)
>sans is super casual about it, tries to show him cool things from the festival and explains it
>when kris asks about his name, sans says he doesnt have one yet
>inexplicably appears in different places with sans throughout the chapter (probably through sans teleporting him)
d-did toby just spoil chapter 5 for me? he looked kinda like this
>>713810721I like this idea, since they dont "die" but getted Swooned. Kris himself seems good, but the souls or us are causing issues. Kris is way more in the know than we are let to believe, especially if you no hit the Knight and get the special dialog"
"Kris Coughs"
"The Knight turns its head" or something. Kris is an unreliable narrator and protagonist.
>>713810626>for all we know the soul we're controlling is an actual person and Kris is using their personality as a cover.I understand what you're saying but I think players would feel too cheated by that reveal for it to happen. Their unprompted actions read strongly as information on their personality
>>713810792Krisknight fag btw if that matters
>>713810715Considering Alvin was at his grave in chapter 2, the implication was that he exhumed the globe and put it in his desk specifically so Gerson would become a Darkner.
holy shit this animation is awesome
https://x.com/nocochip_main/status/1938555407699517783
https://files.catbox.moe/g4bxd7.mp4
>>713810848almost all predictions anons had in dreams were at least halfway correct so this is my new headcanon until then
>>713810592>The bell of justice is ringing... it's for you.It sounded cool during the battle
>>713810890Krisknight fags are the ones pushing this shit, you retard.
>>713810637Thing is it wouldn't ever survive as an expression if it wasn't actually true.
The one thing I can see working is if you follow the "Susie grew up in a human town" theory. And she got the expression from there where it was used with a healthy helping of hyperbole.
>>713810936oh shit, good catch. Damn I really think handful of the townspeople are also in the know of whats going on.
Something with the "prophecy" has happened before, we know this from Gerson, but it seems it never went past "Chapter 5" from his dialog.
>>713810848>had a dream about chapter 5No you didn't.
>>713811038dont worry, toby will visit you eventually as well
>>713810862But Kris doesn't narrate. We get objective information from non-diegetic narration. When Kris wants to hide things from us they have to close their eyes, look away, physically remove us, etc.
>>713810251Toby doesn't tend to be that ham-fisted with the meta-writing.
>>713810848Finally, Prunsel Deltarune
>>713810987>>713810890I unironically still think that Kris is the Roaring Knight. The only source telling us that the figure that is very obviously Dess is the Knight is Kris themselves, who is the most untrustworthy fuck in the squad.
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>>713810592>Pic relatedFollowed by Chapter 6 being the last one.
>>713810592Not the new ones but Chapter 2 Snowgrave Spamton.
"When your [Crying Alone] in a [Broken Home] your gonna wish you let your old pal Spamton [Kill You]"
With the chapter 4 Toriel scene, and implications of chapter 3 and the broken family itself, it hits a lot harder.
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>Toby is personally taking down his soundtracks
mask off moment desu, thank fuck I have a pirated UNDERTALE copy and deltarune is inferior to it anyway
>>713810134>Toriel ready to fuck anything that doesn't have Dreemurr as their last nameSorry, Kris
>>713810592The context behind "Get dunked on" is probably going to make that line the single most definitive for Deltarune.
>>713810862>Kris himself seems good, but the souls or us are causing issuesI believe he is not on board with Knight's plan and the phone voice, and he and Ralsei are running their own scheme to subvert the prophecy. Slashing the tires was a huge wrench in Knight's plans, but he did it without our prompt.
>>713811119Narration isnt exactly being soley words in this regard. Kris actions, or the actions we can even take are unreliable as Kris knows more than we can know even though its supposed to be "Us"
>>713811218He's what? From where?
>>713809986They fucking slide backwards towards Kris when the attack happens, how in the fuck would that work?
>>713811218Is the Wolf on the prowl again?
>>713810951Kris shouldn't be acting surprised or trying hard.
He should be holding back and smiling because he's working with the knight.
>>713810781Then in that vein of thinking potentially it's based on monster species. Monster Kid looks like they'd bleed, as would Berdly, the Holidays, etc. Most of the damn town looks like they would bleed if you cut them, even. Ghosts and the like are just the outliers. Maybe they have a blood equivalent like ectoplasm - it's not like every animal and insect in our world has proper blood, hemolymph exists for example.
I simply refuse to try and tie even more shit back to Undertale without due reason because it's obvious that Toby wants this to be a separate story from that and unless explicit and unavoidably obvious the rules of this world are just different and don't operate 1-to-1. Going out of your way to leap through hoops to try and apply the rules in a world of magic to a world without is lunacy.
>>713810951Kino
I fucking wish Kris was that determined to fight the Knight.
We better get a full-on fight down the line against the Knight, be it Dess, Carol, Rudy, Papyrus, or even Jockington. I wanna show that fucker you don't mess with the ?!?! squad.
>>713811218Isn't it his shitty music label that's doing it
>>713808220>unless you're going full schizo "actually pixel Kris will show up as a superboss and beating him will let you make the ultimate sword of titan slaying" or some shit.that's not possible because pixel kris is shown to die once the game is turned off
you can see this if you move on screen when susie walks in and pick the option that says you aren't having fun, pixel kris disappears
>>713811317He only tries hard once the others are down.
>>713810781>>713811323Fire elementals exist in Deltarune, but fire magic doesn't exist outside the dark world.
The dumb stupid line from the dumb stupid kid was the dumb stupid kid thinking that humans are some kind of blood elemental.
>>713811305from anywhere he can't monetize them from
>>713811350maby
>>713811021Susie apparently used to travel around. I could honestly see her being the opposite of Kris insofar that she mostly grew up surrounded by Humans(Who all bullied her for being a monster). Would also explain a lot of why she fixated so much on kris.
>>713810592"I'm smilling" or Gerson's speech about stories changing and different interpretations in his fight.
>>713804903i dont follow fan theory stuff, is the truck thing just a meme based on asgore/toriel's estrangement, or is there some sort of actual compelling hint to it?
>>713809412I wish i was inside Kris
>>713811219>Sorry, KrisHe can still rape her.
>>713811115No because I already did have a Deltarune dream like three days ago, but I didn't have detailed shit like that. All I remember from it was that I was reading some shit supporting some dumbass theory that Kris is actually Chara because of some supposed beta image of Kris doing a weirder version of Chara's "scary face". An image that doesn't exist in real life.
>>713811307I want you to imagine that you're holding a sword. Hold it across your body, then swing it horizontally. If you hit someone standing next to you and facing the same way with that cut, where would you hit them? That's right, you'd hit them in the chest.
>>713811127Eh... It depends. The end of the Genocide route, especially if you replay it, is about as subtle as a bag of bricks. So, I tend to assume a lot of the meta stuff would be hidden behind the difficult extra bosses.
>>713810056Alphys is more tolerable than Noelle at this point
>>713811282I agree with your point but I'm still gonna be autistic and insist that you're using the term "narration" and "unreliable" incorrectly
>>713811562He's behind Susie, what the fuck are you talking about?
What ship is more popular in Japan?
This is gonna sound weird, but Deltarune reminds me of The Fifth Element in how it was made.
>Teenager had a dream
>wrote all his shit in a little notebook through school
>never gave up on it
>did smaller scale stuff to get funds
>eventually pitches the script
>issues
>Catches the eye of Bruce Willis in his prime and other top actors
>They take paycuts, especially Bruce because they fell in love with the idea
>Creates his ultimate childhood dream
>>713810140Maddy is pure sexo, I will sex the puppet pussy no matter what, If the animatronic doesn't have a crotchole I will make one.
>>713810890Kris Knight was right about everything outside the closet not being important.
>>713811626cant think of a better word, but yeah, narration is literally speech/text. I guess Unreliable Protagonist.
>>713811664Krusie, too bad they don't understand it.
>>713811619Alphys suffers from only having one hobby and not being able to shut up about it. Part of the reason why Undyne is a good fit for her is because they both share hobbies but Undyne actually has more going on in her life.
Noelle is just a dumpster fire of a person. The people around her alternated between being coddling (Dess, Rudy) or controlling (Carol). There's a reason why she gravitated towards Kris rather than Asriel(Age difference aside), since she was the one person willing to make her uncomfortable.
>>713811730That's not a real woman
>everyone acting like the watercooler was a terrifying enemy
>apparently there's even a scene where the joke is you run away from the watercooler but it multiplies
Am I the only one that found the watercooler to be pretty easy?
It was slightly challenging the first attack but then I kind of got the hang of it.
>>713811910>posts western art
>>713811323You're letting the word "magic" do a lot of heavy lifting. Just because monsters can't fling fireballs doesn't mean they're functionally identical to mundane humans of the same shape and size.
>Going out of your way to leap through hoops to try and apply the rules in a world of magic to a world without is lunacy.I don't feel that I'm "going out of my way" at all. For my theory to make sense, Susie has to lack common knowledge information and information about her parentage. For your theory to make sense, monsters must so regularly opt for cremation that nobody even thinks to mention it, the remains must be called "dust" and not "ash", and Susie must be perfectly informed on this one specific topic in spite of lacking basic information everywhere else. You seem to be leaning away from monsters decaying into dust naturally just because that was the rule in Undertale. It's one thing to try and avoid "defaulting" to unconfirmed Undertale logic, it's another to assume things MUST be different from Undertale.
>>713809986>KrisKnight trannies are still coping when the literal game spells out the truthGenuine Woody tier, at this point you're either baiting or you're an actual drooling inbred retard
>>713811354Indeed, koushiki as fuck
>>713810114>Noelle: Kris, please don't ruin this for me...>Kris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHZDWwW6iXs
>>713811910>yes susie please play my dead sister's guitar
>>713811937People here were prepping their save files like crazy and came to new chapters decked out in top equipment. Most normies were playing from clean save and had default equipment on them.
>>713811910Even the way they portray this pairing in art makes me cringe so fucking hard. Unbearably cliche.
>>713810951This guy always drew good Sans fight animations. Good to see him do Deltarune.
>>713811218>All of Elu Tran archive is goneGOD DAMNIT
>>713812169It's all too sappy. At least Krusie artists show them actually being friends and goofballs with each other, which makes their ship far more adorable.
>>713811989>For your theory to make sense, monsters must so regularly opt for cremation that nobody even thinks to mention itCremation was the default in India and Japan until Christianity came along. It was considered wild that people would actually waste land space and risk disease by burying decomposing corpses in the ground. When something is considered the default in your culture, you don't think of it as anything special and think the other people are weird.
>>713811327>Knight rematch>All of you gain even stronger versions of the abilities you had during the King fight.>No option but to fight him/her.>Other characters (Noelle, Queen, Lancer, Tenma, etc) will give you buffs every turn. >Even a decently skilled player will end up destroying them.
so do you guys think when monsters die and turn to dust all of their blood is still there and it just immediately falls in a big puddle on the ground
>>713812172I don't recall any Japanese art with Kris and Susie engaging in goblin stuff. They seem to treat Susie as cookie cutter delinquent girl stereotype.
>>713811925It is though
If your grandma died and became a ghost would she suddenly not be a woman anymore?
>>713812347Bleeding is the response to injury. If monsters DO turn to dust in this world, then the blood dusts with them when they die.
>>713812183Japanese artists always draw Chara in a way where I want her to ruin me.
>>713811664The best one.
>>713811906What do you mean? They seem to understand it just fine.
>>713812214>A decade of fandom history lostI fucking hate copyright niggers
>>713811664Krusie, Frans and Chasriel.
>>713812379They do often threat her as Neru from Blue Archive. But, you know, tall.
>>713812379You clearly haven't been looking too much.
There are two Sanses
Sans near the grill and Sans near the store are 2 different people
Everyone assumes it's the same Sans because it was a running joke in Undertale
In chapter 1 you say "Good to see you again", to which Sans replies "But I'm seeing you for the first time", this can be explained by there being a second character that looks just like Sans that Kris met the day before
Also, in chapter 4, you can't hear trousle from Sans's house because presumably there's no one inside (the second Sans is near the grill)
>>713812274It's corny in such an inhuman pornbrained way. It's always the same "Oooo Susie strikes a macho pose while Noelle looks like a brainless bimbo fawning over her"
>>713811652Where is the curve at the end of the cut? It's in front of Susie, meaning that whoever is making the swing has enough reach to hit her from the front or the back if they wanted. If the cut was a swing from right to left rather than from left to right, it would hit her in the chest and knock her back, rather than hitting her in the back and knocking her forward. Everyone insisting that it's impossible for Kris to have hit her backwards somehow thinks that weapons can only be swung in one direction rather than two for some reason.
For normal nigger routers, is Tenna Alive in castletown or no?
>>713812546I would not complain if you prove me wrong with counterexamples.
>>713812214>>713812486>NOOOOOOOO NOT MY LITERAL WHO TRANNY I CAN'T LISTEN TO SONGS ON ANY OTHER CHANNEL BUT HIS
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>>713812601Kris is behind her you retard.
>>713812618Yeah but heโs unhappy. Best Ending flag is giving him to Mettabloom
>>713812601toby could have flipped the sprite if he wanted it to come from the knight's direction, its long enough to fit
>>713812379People seem to love sucking off Japanese fanart for its lack of political neurosis but it suffers from its own problems, namely interpreting characters with stock-standard anime design principles
>>713812618Whether Tenna is alive or not is solely determined by whether you recruited everyone in the TV World. If you did, he's alive, if you missed even one guy, then he's dead permanently. You can kick his ass with violence and still have him survive if you recruited everyone.
>>713812618If you go to the closet right after the start of ch4, Susie will say "oh shit let's bring tenna", go grab him, and he'll be there in his room in the castle. Where the weather duo are. Also he gets a short scene with King in the basement.
He doesn't have much to say/do beyond that though because you're mostly meant to give him to Mettaton.
>>713812683And yet the cut can reach her front. Even if I was standing slightly behind someone and to the side, with enough reach I could hit you in the front.
>>713811218That's 100% materia collective's doing.
>>713812908Still not obtainable
>>713812815Mine or theirs?
>>713811307The same way pic related caused Kris to slide backwards.
Chapter 5 Asgore will have a flower crown instead of his Undertale crown
>>713812908Gonna be Snowgrave exclusive and all the abortedfags will get btfo.
>>713812857>kris is 20 feet wide
>>713809883>>713809959fucking fartfaggots are posting in the same thread as me?
>>713812618Yes, but you have to visit him before giving him away. One you give him away, he's gone.
Also the webm related is the scene you get when you don't bring him to the Castle Town or don't give him away before going to Noelle's house.
>>713812578Fucking Bigger Luke tier theory
>>713812597Yes. Frisk x Sans. The most popular Undertale/Deltarune ship there.
>>713813038yes and it's real
>>713813002Whatever the hell his knife turns into in the Dark World clearly has that kind of reach.
>>713812725Ah right, makes sense. Surprised it's more popular than Chara and Frisk though considering how often I see art of them that looks eastern.
How much resistance would Ralsei show if Kris tried to rape him out of a sudden? How much if it was Susie instead?
>>713812754Anime is based, though.
>>713809883Should've inflated tbqh
the knight being the one to ko susie and ralsei is more interesting than the alternative because it acts as a moment of resistance for kris against the knight
>>713812815If it's for me, I'm too old and bald to lust after teenagers.
If it's for Kris, mind says left, heart says right.
>>713812618He is but he basically begs you to give him away, you're FORCED to give him to Mettaton
One of the most retarded decisions on Toby's part and it's all because he is a sub 50 IQ mongoloid who cannot predict which characters his fans will end up liking (never forget the shitbots in chapter 2 and Spamton)
>>713813184"I-if this will make you happy...t-then go ahead...I won't stop you..."
>>713813184Unironically Ralsei would give 0 resistance to this. Maybe verbal resistance but not physical.
>>713813265What resistance? Kris immediately bends the knee.
>>713813227Low-budget seasonal anime is less than based so when fanart resembles it I think "why even draw this"
>>713813165I mean, Susie didn't notice anything different with it. She had it on her when creating the Dark World.
>>713813184Ralsei is in the "can't rape the willing" camp.
>>713813171That's because nobody posts Frans here since men like us hate it. But for every Charisk art there's two Frans.
>>713804480 WeiRD Route [Chapter 2]
sWORD Route[Chapter 3]
WORse Route[Chapter 4]
They're the same man
>>713813184>K-Kris! This isn't apart of the prophec--AAAHH!
>>713813165>>713813347Speaking of the knife, did Susie return it? I can't remember.
>>713813329Kris continuing to fight despite the others being down, and getting buffed because of them being down, is resistance I meant.
>>713813030The mental image of Susie carrying a massive fucking CRT and just bolting it to the local school as fast as possible is funny as hell
>>713813453That's (You)r resistance, not Kris's. If it were up to Kris you'd just lose immediately, like what happens when you reach the Knight in First Sanctuary.
>>713813325>>713813327Does he want to be raped?
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>>713813184chapter 4 ralsei would heem Kris, then apologize and try to move on
Why do w*men always draw Chris like an anime ikeman
>>713813448Please don't make me jerk off to Ralsei.
>>713813512If you haven't carried a fuck-huge CRT 5+ blocks across town with your friends have you ever truly gamed
>>713812815Left will cheat on whoever she's with
Right is loyal to the end
>>713813647You should jerk off while snuggling Ralsei's plushie
>>713813550Nah, having higher attack output and more defense is all Kris, not (You), like how he hits harder towards Tenna after the Shadow Mangle fight.
>>713813265>Kris being the one to end the fight and override your desire to beat the Knight here and now, furthering the divide between the player and Kris while also showing how much of a puppet they are to whatever scheme they're a cog in, is less interesting than the Knight pulling a "nothin personnel kid"I don't understand this line of thinking.
>>713813605Less want and more unable to say no.
>>713813767take your meds and you'll get it
>Kris literally gets pissed and stops pulling his punches the second the knight drops Ralsei and Susie to the ground
>retards ITT still think he would try to kill them right after
>>713813184Ralsei doesn't wear pants because one of his princely duties is to let lightners bend him over at anytime.
Big Shot is the best song besides chapter 4 credits right?
kris backstab fags are going to get made fun of in a future chapter
Kris being blue in the dark world is gonna be a plot point in the future right?
>>713813782The real question is, would Ralsei orgasm?
>>713813734that thing would look like Ralsei the first time we met him if I owned it for two weeks
>>713813847>>713813934>that minute gap between the two postsVERY
VERY
INTERESTING
>>713809939You have to kill the Titan Spawn enemies.
>>713813903not even close
>>713813184It's all his perverted fantasies come true, why resist more than the bare minimum?
>>713813903Chapter 4 credits theme isn't particularly amazing.
Ruder Buster and From Now On, on the other hand, are awesome, but I don't know if I'd put them over Big Shot.
>>713809939literally (you) kill the titan with your shining soul blast, Susie just dunks (you) inside it
>>713814058do you? They turn into light. Are they counted internally as kills like other shit?
>>713814073Post the song if your so great.
>>713813873Lame, I only want him to stick his dick in me
>>713813952No, it'll just be something that gets recontextualized after we learn that Kris drowned or they took a sharpie bath so they could match with Dess's antlers or something.
>>713814084She isn't that big
>>713814179"So I haveth a laser pointer..."
>>713814108>from now onIts the chapter 4 ending song basically.
>>713814139They're purified if you beat them by banishing, but turn to red dust like the snowgrave effect on normal enemies if you beat them normally. Kris also had Slain: 2 after defeating them with violence, but I'm not sure if that's exclusive or if it shows up by banishing as well.
>>713813448Kris would not do this.
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>>713810592>WELL, SPRING CHANGED TO SUMMER, AND SUMMER CHANGED TO COLD, AND SURE ENOUGH, I AM THE FORGOTTEN MAN.I was wondering if we would ever get to actually speak with him and it did *not* disappoint.
>>713813647Toby wants for you to do it
>>713814139NTA. They count as purified. They only count as killed if you, y'know, kill them.
>>713814306Yeah, but I would
>>713814365>>713814303So True Pacifist seems to still exist.
>>713801664 (OP)bro are you retarded, like legitimately?
>>713814327Easily one of the most interesting conversations in the game.
>>713813184I want to love and embrace Ralsei and not do anything to harm him.
>>713814327SO TAKE YOUR TIME,
WASH YOUR FACE,
AND GET DRESSED!
>>713813716funny how AI literally hasn't improved anything so far
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>narrative tool used to keep information hidden from the reader, supposedly to immerse yourself in a 'blank slate'
>mentally ill faggots quadruple down on faggotry and think it's about pronouns
What do you think the actual twist is going to be, if any?
>>713813767when you dumb down and miscontrue the latter to 3 words, yeah i wouldn't get it either.
>everyone thinks itโs Susie or Noelle
>what if itโs actually Kris
>>713814290... Yours turns black?
>>713801664 (OP)>Enemy weakness: ICE. Use your strongest ice spell>Meanwhile he blocks you from examining the knightWhat did Kris mean by this?
Eram even calls him out
>... no, part of you is just... enjoying this, isn't it?>The same part of you that enjoyed yesterday.>Knowing you could say it wasn't really you."
>>713814463Good on you anon, take good care of your Ralsei.
>>713814541its fucking noelle or dess. Dess has the sword as well.
Kris is the fucked up vessel from the first part.
>>713814139The titan spawn are counted as "purified" instead of "slain" if you beat them with the unleash Act instead of Fighting.
It's doubtful there's a significant difference to either. People are assuming that slain is bad because it makes you stronger(still no EXP or LV increase), but thus far the difference between violence and pacifist is just recruiting darkners to the castle town and the titanspawn are getting recruited either way.
>tfw you are driving home from the Pub after enjoying seven ice cold beers and you see the doe bitch that hit your boy with a wiffle bat
>>713814246A song is more than just its leitmotif.
>>713806183>"Please don't re-upload so it can be lost forever when I nuke my account :)"Not how it works, fucko.
>>713814541Kristine gender reveal prophesized for Chapter 7
>>713810592I'm actually considering the possibility that my favourite line was the furry degenerates one, BEFORE TOBY FUCKING TOOK IT OUT.
>>713814637Never Ending night is just slower and more orchestra. Its largely the same.
>>713814541It's Ralsei, he (she) just pretending to be a boy.
>>713814541Kris is the prince alone in deepest dark after removing the soul and turning into a darkner
https://youtu.be/ucVdwJUSoVg?si=R5QYNeCHzjsMwoZT
>>713806186Now that I think about it yah that makes more sense.
>>713806741Dark does not mean black, perhaps it refers to the darkworld? Or he is just drak blue.
>>713813989...can Darkners even orgasm at all? Can they breed? They're just Dark World manifeststions of Light World objects, so what would happen if two Darkners fucked and had children? How would that translate to their Light World counterparts? Or would Darkners just naturally be impotent by necessity?
>>713807242It's because they're not even started on 6 and 7
>>713814541It's likely Dess or Noelle.
>>713806897What boss, the knight right?
>>713813903Did you forget third sanctuary?
>>713814584it means krissy is evil and brought borbly to the hospital to sacrifice him
>>713810591Why do you trust Susie when she didn't immediatly figured out that it was Gerson's ashes in the globe?
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>>713814502It wouldn't surprise me if Man was actually Grandpa Semi. So much of his dialog and the things he does, like going on tangents and being forgetful, feel like something a kind old person would do.
>I LIKE YOU!>YOU MAY FORGET ME, I MAY FORGET MYSELF,>BUT I WILL REMEMBER YOUR KINDNESS.
do yall think femkris keeps it hairy?
>>713814584Don't forget
>Keeps the ThornRing after they take it off Noelle - which is the only reason why you can do Ch 4 Weird at all>Repeatedly shows that they can prevent us getting choices at all, to the point where even if we get the dialog box there are no options in it at all, meaning that Kris could have put a stop to Snowgrave at any point
>>713814690People say Toby didn't sell out, but he allowed his baby to get censored at least three times now.
>>713814619>Ralsei Rancher never ever
Be real. The games already done but Toby is just trying to make extend the hype by drip feeding content
>>713814849>third sanctuaryfuck, yeah I did, this is one of the best honestly.
>>713814463I want to draw cute images of the shit squad but i have no artistic skills
>>713806982Kill skeletons. Behead skeletons. Roundhouse kick a skeleton into the concrete. Slam dunk a skeleton baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy skeletons. Defecate in a skeletons food. Launch skeletons into the sun. Stir fry skeletons in a wok. Toss skeletons into active volcanoes. Urinate into a skeletons gas tank. Judo throw skeletons into a wood chipper. Twist skeletons heads off. Report skeletons to the IRS. Karate chop skeletons in half. Curb stomp all skeletons. Trap skeletons in quicksand. Crush skeletons in the trash compactor. Liquefy skeletons in a vat of acid. Eat skeletons. Dissect skeletons. Exterminate skeletons in the gas chamber. Stomp skeleton skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate skeletons in the oven. Mandatory inspections for skeletons in homes. Grind skeleton in the garbage disposal. Drown skeletons in fried chicken grease. Vaporize skeletons with a ray gun. Kick skeletons down the stairs. Feed skeletons to alligators. Slice skeletons with a katana.
>>713809157>soul...without/not there...>kris...dark world...>can't enter...Are we going to lock his ass out on a route or chapter?
>>713814887One theory I really like is that the sign on Sans's grocery store wasn't originally Grillby's, but actually Gaster's.
>>713814990I bet you thought that sounded really smart in your head.
>>713814921Yes, a pitiful attempt to be more like the ret of her family. Sadly for Kris little more than a small, thin strip grows
>>713814990not even close, chapter 6 is probably in pre-production, 7 with concept, and 5 being actively worked on. Dont think you understand how much work goes into making an actual video game that isnt literal slop. Music alone which is Tobys best trait can take weeks/whole month for 1 song.
>>713814796Darkeners are representations of real objects so they can't make new real objects. If Queen and King fucked they wouldn't spawn some plush laptop in the real world.
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>>713810592>Who do you think taught you to LAUGH and CRY!?>What, you think it's MY fault you forgot HOW!?Tenna can be a nasty little bitch when he wants to.
>>713814538Ok, then what context am I missing?
>>713814538Well go on, then. Elaborate on why the Knight doing it is interesting
>>713814619Of course. I knew it was going to get rough for him the later chapters but man...
>>713810592I got hope crossed on my heart. Hope, written in truth. Written somewhere... written somewhere no one can erase!
>>713809206BABY I'M PREYING ON YOU TONIGHT
>>713814921Where do you think they got a taste for moss?
>>713815114>>713815121If you honestly think it takes a year plus per chapter, you are genuinely retarded.
>>713806982he is going to fucking kill sans.
>>713809986I'm not 100% sold on it myself but I don't think it's that farfetched to think that Kris would KO Susie and Ralsei before things got ugly, especially when Susie gets cocky and starts dropping her guard after landing one solid hit when they all saw what happened to Tenna like two minutes earlier
How far down the non pacifist hole will ralsei go in future chapters?
>>713810201>THE FIRST HERO. THE CAGE, WITH HUMAN SOUL AND PARTS!>THE SECOND HERO. THE GIRL, WITH HOPE CROSSED ON HER HEART.>THE THIRD HERO. THE PRINCE, ALONE IN DEEPEST DARK>*Rude Buster Symbol Appears*>AND LAST, WAS THE GIRL>AT LAST, WAS THE GIRL>THE GIRL>THE GIRL
>>713815121>can take weeks/whole month for 1 songITS BEEN 7 YEARS
>>713815293Have you ever made a game?
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Whatโs the next step in his master plan?
>>713815293no you are fucking retarded. Asset flip slop is easy, something unique made by a team of like 10-15 fucking randoms with like 5 key people in that 10-15 is gonna take forever.
Have you ever even tried to make a fucking mod? Let alone a standalone game? Its not that its "hard" its just a fucking shitload of work.
>>713814921Kris is a psychopath so she probably trims it completely bare in an extremely metodical and obsessive way
>>713810201Susie can't equip swords
>>713809206I'll remember this Kris when the time comes.
>>713807192Not really, if anything he's turning a lot of the old schizo theories into actual lore in a weird way. If he was being bitter about the thing then he wouldn't have made it a cool little mini-boss section
>>713815293Okay, if the whole purpose is to drag this out by dripfeeding, why did he release 3 and 4 at the same time? Why not just 3 and wait another year or two for chapter 4?
>>713814887The metatext fits, too. Grandpa semi is one of those half-existing "forgotten" characters. His theme is in Deltarune but I don't think his name is in there anywhere
>>713814541It would be supremely funny if Toby just decided to change Kris to be a girl, and every character just started calling Kris a she.
Also kinda hot ngl
>>713815527yes. It takes fucking years.
>>713815107Holy shit I think you're right
>>713810592https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSkt6eFrAs
>>713815293The WAIT was especially bad after Chapter 2 because Toby was delaying releasing it for the Switch. Chapters 3 and 4 had been done for weeks or even months, it's just that he had to delay it so he could make it a port on the Switch 2. I imagine shit like the Mike Room was made because the devs just had a ton of time on their hands waiting for the Switch 2 to go public.
>>713815293gennnnnuinely retardord
>>713809883go back to your containment board
>>>/vg/
>>713815368So Susie was never part of the prophecy and that's probably why Carol wants her out of the picture. She's fucking things up
>>713815348His ire is for Titans and Knights.
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Would you a conspiracist gambler gf? Keep in mind she's stinky from being in her mike costume all day.
>>713806982There is absolutely zero reasons to believe that monsters can even use magic outside of dark worlds in Deltarune so i'm willing to believe Sans is just a normal guy here
So in short i'd bet on the guy who's hand could probably envelop Sans' entire head
>>713815628On the plus side, it means 5-7 will be done sooner.
The 11 years could very well mean 11 years after Undertale, in which case the final release date would be September 2026.
>>713815742She's posting about Kris slash ITT
>>713809501>How could the human soul of somebody else have another consciousness attached to it that's not my own!?!?Are you for fucking real right now
>>713801664 (OP)I feel like Susie would have been ok with doing that if it ultimately saved the world. Definitely feel like what needs to be done is going to be way worse.
>>713815774That's too hopeful for me boss
>>713810114I wonder if Kris is put off about being able to read others minds by virtue of meta knowledge from the soul
>>713811910The Deltarune of Us
>>713814887>>713815551>sans likes hot dogs>grandpa semi likes donuts>"hot dogs" and "donuts"What the fuck did toby mean by this?
>>713801664 (OP)Nah, he's ripping off (heh) OFF, you'll either fight Kris alongside Susie and Ralsei in order to save the world from Roaring or fight along Kris against them, starting the Roaring and leading into Undertale, hence why Undertale is much closer to the dark world than light world
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>>713815798>Kris slashworst girl
>>713815949hot dog shape = I
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>>713815498Seven years for something that is what, ten hours long at most so far. I get this shit takes time, but him constantly free lancing on the side only delays shit even more.
>>713809986okay now this sounds believable.
>>713815603I think I would
>>713812214>Misaki's undertale playlist is slowly getting deletedDark times ahead.
>>713816073What if this is another "deflowering" situation and Toby is an innocent retard that keeps accidentally putting sexual innuendo in his games
>>713816206No I think you just have a phallic obsession.
>>713815348BORN TO DIE WORLD IS A FUCK Kill Em All 20xx I am trash man 410,757,864,530 DEAD SHAWNS
>>713813112>>713813409Fair. I guess it is very much the shoujo choice.
Kind of curious about the exact stats now...
>>713815542Honestly? Probably to justify the pricetag. It's smart marketing if you think about it. Especially since he always said chp 3 would be paid, so throwing chp 4 in just sweetens the deal and would explain why 4 is shorter than the other chapters.
>>713815121Chapter 6 is probably farther along than we think. 3 took too long for being a Dark World only chapter and 4 had an overarching Light World narrative with a complex animation sequence for the Titan battle. I'd be surprised if Chapter 5 had something simpler, if not just complex development for the Normal and Weird routes.
>>713811218as long as it's all uploaded to his channel i don't care. the issue are the remixes and fan songs.
>>713814054It's literally one guy seething because Kris Knight was vindicated and Kris isn't a uwu blob.
>>713812214Surely someone archived it, right?
>>713814510No but you see saar we need AI we need to generate more images of princess peach with big beautiful boobs saar
>>713813716Inb4 Toby pretends he didn't do any of this and he's somehow a victim of the people he enlisted specifically to enforce his copyright again
>>713816106snowgrave which is the fastest route has me at a casual 25 hours. This shit aint small dude. Its gonna be a 50+ hour game with its finale, with 1 fucking route.
It really does take this long. I worked in game dev in a low level position but around professionals(actual top tier devs) and it took them fucking 6 years to produce there first product. I wont say which, but before they even hit the button to let it loose on steam, their big fucking new game was already 1+ year in dev, and still took 4 years all hands on deck.
Both successful and the latter being a smash hit, but these were vets, 10x better than Toby and way more experienced in pipelines and dev timelines. This shit takes fucking forever dude. This is why game devs who know their shit say to NOT fucking work or pursue the industry unless you are ready for hell.
what do you think Kris was thinking when he heard this?
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>>713816206In his own words.
>>713815163>>713815170interesting timing but OK
>with susie and ralsei up, Kris is on the Knight's side and has to sandbag>with them being up, he feels like he has to follow the Knight's will>but when they go down>Kris snaps>stops holding back and emboldens himself after seeing his friends hurt and beaten, turned into fluff beyond recognition>it's the first time that (You) and Kris are on the same page>enhances the fight being unable to be won and gaster cheering you on to change fate to be even more fantastical, yet doable>after "beating the knight" (borrowing anons interpretation) Kris realizes the futility of his actions as the Knight cuts down his friends>can only close his eyes but still feels the raw force of the knights blade>still closes his eyes as he's about to be Swooned too for his resistance>yet the knight "knights" him as her squire, locking him in as her bitch once more>kris accepts his fate to work against his friends until the bitter endcould probably add more to it, but yeah
>>713814510only thing it achieved is scams, with indians scamming retards and companies scamming millionaire retards (investors)
>>713816320I love this bitch. Hope we get to see her use that katana in the future for something other than diaps.
>>713809986Okay, so why would mrs.holiday not be the knight? She is the only other one who has the code to the shelter. We see "someone" running their with undyne. She even says on the phone to kirs, she is to be sacrificed. How do you all not think the knight it her?
Ralsei and Susie are going to end up together and I'm tired pretending otherwise
>>713816106Most of the wait time is because Toby's wrists fucking exploded to the point where he needed to rely on double trackballs and voice-to-text in order to do anything. It's very hard to be productive on a computer like that.
If his wrists have recovered to the point where the piano playing in chapter 4 is from Toby himself (and comparing to his actual live playing it sounds like it) then 5-7 should take a lot less time.
>>713809986I'm against it because it doesn't actually add anything to the story.
>>713815774>The 11 years could very well mean 11 years after Undertale, in which case the final release date would be September 2026.LOL
2034 full release bro
>>713816558If you think Ralsei is surviving you might be retarded
I can't lie, I mentally baseded for the Earthbound homages in the Knight fight
>>713816623that's why they are ending together, toby wants the characters to suffer
holy fuck we are going to be making a dark fountion in the middle of the carnival. I just realized that.
>>713816592All he needed to do for this not to happen was spend slightly less time goofing off playing megalovania on piano and touhou with zun
>>713816613you already replied to that post
>>713816325You know what would really justify the price tag? Releasing the entire thing at once, like you claim he's willingly not doing. You fucking retard.
>>713815521If we can do this and still rejoin the $!$? squad after some scolding, I'll be doing it every time.
>>713816546The mayor being a bloodthirsty psychopath who rules with an iron fist is too obvious. They have people to do it for her while she acts as a figurehead.
>>713816691no we aren't retard, we're making it in asgore's cuck shed
>>713816592the fuck happened? Did he fall off a tree or some shit and landed on his hands? Getting some Venture Bros vibes where one of the main creators/arists got fucked beyond repair and took years to produce one of the final seasons.
>>713811253Wait
>Undyne is very slim and strong, but probably doesn't weight a lot>Toriel is big and heavy, you would need help or a tool for carrying her, say, a car
>>713816691What the hell happens if you try to do a dark fountain outside?
>>713813767>DUUUUDE WOULDN'T IT BE FUCKING EPIC IF KRIS WAS LIKE HOLDING BACK LIKE GOKU BRO AND HE DID AN EPIC CHARA SLASH THAT ONESHOT EVERYONE CAUSE HE'S SO STRONGCringe.
>>713816738>The mayor being a bloodthirstyIf the Knight wanted to just hurt people, they already would have!
>>713815601Based snapcube, her Berdly voice is hilarious and canon to me now
https://youtu.be/PPqg_UlSmNs?t=745
>>713816623I predict Kris making another fountain after he gets upset watching Noelle and Susie having fun at the festival
>>713816764i hope this is right because it'd make toriel being a fat fuck is plot relevant lmao
>>713816615Enjoy the rockets up your ass, Mr. Pants.
>>713816803And yet that's exactly what happened
>>7138163254 is about the same length as the rest in speedruns, also don't forget the light world stuff and mike
>>713816313Go to Pixiv and click the Frans tags and then the Charisk tag. Last I remember Frans had almost 10k pics.
>>713816803We already know Kris is holding back
>>713816558I want to believe.
>>713809254>>713809412I think that Kris's perspective on the situation is more sympathetic when you take the Sword route into account. It's the first time Kris can see an example of (You) with your own vessel to properly interact with the world. And because its a simple little RPG, (You) grab a fancy sword and pop every enemy (You) see in order to proceed. (You) use up the little pixel version of Kris and Noelle to get to the voice behind the Ice Door. And (You) kill pixel Ralsei and pixel Susie for exp to proceed to the next dungeon and get to the next room to obtain a new item. And if (You) want, you can even threaten Kris to grab it when (You)r vessel can't reach it, and take a swing at the real Susie for the shits and giggles. This all happens when there's another layer of fiction temporarily separating (You) from Kris. That's why, despite mindbreaking Noelle for good and making their life hell, Kris puts (You) back in their body. Because a (You) unbound, being able to fully act on (You)r whims and desires could annihilate every living thing in existence without Kris being able to worm their way out of fulfilling commands. And I believe that is what Kris is afraid of (You) finding in the Bunker. A workout-ready body ripe for the taking, one that doesn't talk back or disobeys its master. And they should rightfully be afraid of a god who isn't so merciful.
>>713816720I'm not buying the game if the later chapters turn out bad.
>>713816803>not playing the game but still postingMega Cringe
>>713816885Oh he will. He will very much so
>>713816749No thats chapter 6. The flower in the mini boss in 4 is actually a Ferris wheel.
>>713816442>Why do I have a boner?
>>713816913Holding back their nonbinary pronouns
>>713816889>>713816913>Woodytier schizoidsGonna enjoy your dedicated humiliation ritual bossfight in the next chapter
>>713816676Ooh Kris and Ralsei going dual goner together sounds tragic
>>713816803He literally is holding back you retarded tranny
>X-Slash>Eat Pipis>Variable damage in Chapter 3>holds his breath and smiles when you waste a turn using it more than once>Stands around and doesn't attack the knight in Chapter 4Then Ralsei does it too
>Smashes the Gerson statue effortlessly>has fire magic and doesn't use it
>>713816982turtle said it's 5
>>713816980Shoving explosives up your ass is all fun and games until they go boom.
>>713816803Kris is already canonically holding back, retard.
>>713817014where's my x slash fuckhead
>>713809663this doesnt work because susie and kris are already close
>>713817014We'll just wait and see I guess. But hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
>>713817014ntas, but Kris is holding back(examples being spamton, tenna, the knight itself)
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>fake fans getting the ick on eck over people lusting over the purple dragon because she's in school
wait until they learn what people want to do to the dragon when she was in preschool
>>713816803kek schizotrannies melting down over this post
>>713817069But he'll still coom. And that's what's important.
>>713817047>schizotranny mental breakdown>over a game he hasn't even played
>>713817047>Smashes the Gerson statue effortlesslyTo be fair, the statue might be weak, not like we'd know since we weren't able to damage it.
>>713817014>does chip damage vs the knight>goes all out on the tv with abandonment issues
>>713816468The timing was real, my brother and I simply had the same thought
How would the cough -> head tilt exchange factor into the scenario you described?
>>713817047do we know if the fire magic is actually offensive, or just useful utility wise
>>713817124We love lolis here. Redditors need to leave.
>>713816705>yet another shitty theory with zero evidence
>>713816942Gaster summoned you to create a new future.
Kris is the rival, the cage restricting the player and using them as a tool for their own selfish ends.
The Prophecy is the antagonist to the player, and Kris is an agent of it...ergo, Kris is the antagonist and villain.
Kris is the cage, restricting choice and freedom. You will be discarded like trash once he uses you up.
>>713816803I mean Kris is definitely holding back to an extent but you have to remember that it's compensation for KnightKris, which people wanted because it sounds chuuni and epic and they're literally self-inserting MMM HMOFA YUMMY
>>713817124Aren't they all supposed to be 16-17 though? I've also noticed a lot of them lust over persona characters.
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>>713817143At the end of the day the same faggots who try to pretend that KrisKnight has any merit to it are the same retards who genuinely thought Chapter 2 would look like this
>>713816803Kris is holding back, but that doesn't make Kris slash true, yeah.
>>713809883Why ruin a perfectly good thread?
>>713816803This is not what arguing in good faith looks like
>>713816902I might.
Though I imagine that will require translating moonrunes.
>>713817241anon it's fire. why would it not be offensive if needed?
>>713817047>>Smashes the Gerson statue effortlesslynothing points towards the statue being particularly powerful, do remember that we defeat most darkners in 2-5 hits and surprise attacks always do extra damage too
>has fire magic and doesn't use iti do feel like this is gonna be plot relevant eventually though, he's actively avoiding to "blaze through" opponents for some reason, probably something about changing the prophecy since he thinks that maybe being mice enough could change something when he laments after we beat the knight
>>713817349>another theory
>>713817258I always thought it was weird that he did the least damage (in the beginning) with normal attacks, even though I intentionally gimped Ralsei to have weak attack and magic.
>>713817206You see him use his full strength agains the knight when he gets pissed and.....he just does normal damage
Tenna is a fragile TV
>>713817258>>713817327Yes that is the point, he is holding back but not to the extent where he can oneshot Susie
Again, you see him going all out when he's the last one standing against the knight
>>713817047if you check the knight when she's charging up her final attack kris will literally just point into the distance.
>>713817382Keep us updated if you do. I love stats.
>>713816942The one thing Kris understands about us regardless of route is that we will do whatever is necessary to [Proceed]
>>713817403>nothing points towards the statue being particularly powerfulYeah I don't know where people got this idea. Kris and Susie can't hit the statue not because it's super strong, but because they're fighting in complete darkness and literally can't see it.
>>713817258>they're literally self-insertingThat's a funny thought because there's a literal self-insert and it's an objectively cooler (if powerless) one than the emo little shit
>>713817494>Susie bullied him about his apple shampoo>He took is a sign to keep it up.
>muh hecking soul is not kris' soul because we can pick dialogue options and control the player character
>muh hecking rules card, roulxs is the strongest
>muh hecking x-slash, kris is holding back and hiding powers from us
>muh hecking red/white slash
I feel like some of you forget at the end of the day that this is a videogame and these are simply gameplay mechanics and are not to be taken literally or with any plot significance unless stated otherwise. This is why I hate this gay 4th wall breaking narrative retardation.
>>713817447yeah the tv is fragile but out damaging rude buster isn't normal.
>>713817526i mean susie straight up doesn't wants to attack the statue because she thinks it's the old man
>>713817493Yeah, I'll post them here once I'm done. Or in the next thread, if this one dies.
>>713817225at that point, Kris is still on the Knight's side since no one has gone down at that point. The SOUL is clearly not going to back down, so Kris tells the Knight to wrap up the fight/lock the fuck in, which segues into her final attack.
>>713817650no one cares how brown you are.
>>713817672Susie clearly likes Tenna a lot, she doesn't want to kill him
>>713817672Tenna keeps bringing shit up that Kris doesn't want mentioned I guess
>>713816942I fuck with this. It lines things up really well. Maybe Kris knows what you're capable of because he played videos games when he was younger and knows exactly what it's like to be the controller, so they've planned ahead in advance.
>>713816732You say that like Susie doesn't want to beat Kris' ass for staging chapter 3 and working with the knight and Ralsei isn't going to object to your justified anger towards Kris.
>>713817650>muh hecking x-slash, kris is holding back and hiding powers from usGenuinely I don't see the problem with this one
>>713817661All we want are quality memes for the low, low price of [Get One, Free!]
>>713817650>I feel like some of you forget at the end of the day that this is a videogame and these are simply gameplay mechanicsRight because Toby would never impose any other meaning to simple gameplay mechanics
Toby Fox, creator of Undertale
Toby Fox who makes the abbreviation for โlevelsโ stand for Level Of Violence and experience points Execution Points
>>713817650There's no shame in admitting that you're too stupid to get the narrative. The full game will make it all clear, anon.
>>713817650The soul we play as is the only one Kris has. That's what matters.
Rouxls is clearly a powerful outlier regardless of whether that will be plot-relevant.
Kris gaining X-slash could very well have been simple balancing for weird route NEO, yes.
The devs cared enough to make it clear that Noelle was the one who finished off Weird route NEO when they patched the final blow from blue to yellow. These things reflect on character motivations
If Toby had to go out of his way to specify when he intended to give gameplay mechanics narrative significance that would be lame. A certain amount of ambiguity is fun fresh and trendy
>>713817661That would make sense as Deltarune is an extremely homosexual videogame
>>713817650Ralsei:
>Push boxes with [Z]!Susie:
>Who the hell is [Z]???
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