Can we have an actual discussion about the story of DS2? I understand that people are not happy with how it turned out compared to DS1. So what did Kojima do wrong?

people liked ds1 so kojima thought it means he can do more kojima stuff
turns out that more kojima stuff doesnt make the it better

People who liked DS1 were against the grain, now that it reviewed much better and has more "hype" behind it they hate DS2 and think DS1 is better cause they are hipsters. Same type of people who are weirdly contrarian about BG3 vs Original Sin 2, or Elden Ring vs Dark Souls 3.
>studio/person got more popular and recognized, therefore latest work isn't as good as last thing

>>713825190
What did you hate about it?

>>713825426
everything

>>713825402
I anticipated this reaction. But is the story genuinely bad or something that people will come around like MGS2?

>>713825578
Give an example of something in particular

>>713825084 (OP)
Pointless cucking just for the sake of being subversive. That's reason enough to be annoyed and upset with Kojimbo.

>>713825885
>Pointless cucking
elaborate

>>713825730
The run back to the samurai guy

>>713825885
Isn't it just a tragic love triangle? The baby is Sam's not Neil's. Lucy wanted to be with Sam and broke off the relationship.

>>713825953
Lou is not Sam's biological kid because some random dude cucked him. Kojima included this solely to be a subversive fucker because otherwise Lou and Sam's relationship bond was too conventional and wholesome. Gotta make it forced controversial.

>>713825084 (OP)
I don't think it was bad, but it was kind of underwhelming and felt a bit too same-y to the first game. Still had a fun time.

>>713826136
You should try beating the game before you come here and discuss it

>boot up Death Stranding 2
>gay dancing black man
>anime characters
>heckin rick and morty ass sci fi
>queer musical performances
>panty shooting goon minigame
>guitar duel boss battle
>constant cuckoldry (wholesome)

>>713826171
Do you still think that it could win GOTY or is it just too meh compared to E33?

>>713826136
Anon... beat the game first.

>>713826914
you forgot about vtubers

Coming off MGS1 people must have had similar reaction
Repeated plot points, silliness upped to 11. Is it just how Kojima writes sequels?

>>713827464
I don't know because I don't give a fuck about what game wins GOTY

I appreciate everything about Higgs—a villain simply being a villain and enjoying it. The subplot involving Sam's wife or Lou being his daughter felt unnecessary. Otherwise, the story fine, and the other characters were well-okay with no major plot twists or surprises.(sadly from a mgsfan point of view)

higgs is the best part if you care about the story.
It funny because even with the dancing and singing, the story is rather simple lel

>>713828078
I love Higgs

>>713828078
He definitely steals the show. The Neil part seems to be the biggest problem for people. Then again I always found it odd how Lucy was just a placeholder character in DS1 despite being the whole reason why Sam is so deeply troubled.

lou = tomorrow twist was extremely on the nose and i dont understand there are people who did not immediately realise

>>713828078
he isn't enjoying any of it, he seems like he is, but he isn't.

he's a deeply, deeply devastated being, he hams it up because that's what he always does and how he copes.

the only time in the series he is honest is in>>713825084 (OP) scene.

its very obvious from this that he's doing all this because he's deeply fucked from being so utterly manipulated in such a grand way by Amelie.

>>713825084 (OP)
Kojimbo is a hack

>>713828324
>tomorrow is in your hands during the marketing
>not only is it da baby, but she becomes a porter and maybe playable in DS3 or some DLC and therefore actually in your hands aka controller

>>713828316
Like imagine if in SH2 all you had was the picture of Mary and you would never see her in the game. So I understand why Kojima elaborated on this part of the story.

>>713828316
>I always found it odd how Lucy was just a placeholder character in DS1 despite being the whole reason why Sam is so deeply troubled.
That was one of the things I liked about the way Sam's depression was handled. It was very subtle and somber. Really hands off, like you were not allowed to get close to Sam because of how guarded of a person he is, which further ties into Aphenphosmphobia.
It also made the Amelie story more interesting when you realized how sinister she actually was when she was presented as mostly a good character for the most part until some very morally gray tragic things in the late game.

>>713828487
It's weird because in DS1 when he becomes stranded it feels like he deserves it. But DS2 really hammered in the fucked up implications of that fate. He even missed all the people that left him to wander the limbo for thousands of years.

Storywise I both extremely loved that game and hated it at the same time, damn you Kojima you did it on purpose isn't it

>>713829063
It makes sense, but Sam is not the same person in DS2. So facing that part of his past makes for a good plot point I think.

post
>yfw "Shred right back"

>>713828316
I understand but I believe Lucy should have remained as the wife who tragically died in a voidout. Sam had a wife, and She passed away, no need for further Addition.
kojima making sams wife look like a old hag was disappointing doe, Would have preferred amelie lookalike for a real plot twist

Imagine trying to replicate the Patriot AI speech only to completely BTFO it at the end with one character basically telling the AI "actually no you are retarded and you already lost"

Your opinion on Dollman?

>Sam and Higgs shredding on their guitars together
Is it a homosex metaphor?

>>713828316
What I don't understand about Neil is why he does he look like Snake
He shares absolutely nothing with the character in personality and story, he's not even a soldier. I don't even understand how his actor was confused.
He's basically a guy who just look like Snake, a Snake cosplayer. and there's no reasons for it beside baiting fans when he appeared in trailers.
And that's not just Neil, the cyborg Samurai is basically a non-character. The President is a bait and switch.
It's just weird. Is Kojima purposely doing a story to mess with players?

>>713829207
how the hell did he managed to change his hairs and even hairline while on the beach

>>713830010
chiralium does wonders for your hair, just look at Amelie

>>713829902
it was the guy who was considered to play snake for the mgs movie many years ago, thats why he is in

>>713830113
Wasn't it Oscar Isaac? Thought Isaac no longer is set to play Snake.

>>713829207
he didn't, deserve it, that is, the only reason he is "the way he is" is because Amelie convinced him to be this way.

she told him explictly the things he always wanted to hear, and feel, that he was special, that his DOOMS gift wasn't a curse, and that she was a Parental figure that would love him for doing what she wanted him to do.

he deserves, obviously, to be incarcerated and rehabilitated, or at the very least, simply killed, but instead, they left him with one of the most horrific fates imaginable.

its very easy to say he's super evil, but you didn't have basically God show up and tell you to do the things Amelie had him do.

>>713830113
>>713829902
Yeah there doesn't need to be a bigger purpose why a named movie star is in a Kojima game. Sam talks way less in this game than the first, and despite having Dollman he has no banter with him. This felt like a Kiefer situation where they couldn't get him in the booth to record as much as a game like this should have.
>>713830223
Not this recent attempt at an MGS movie, but an older one. They've been trying to make an MGS movie for ages.

>>713826136
You didnt beat the game, right? if anything, Neil is the cuckhold in probably the most traditional sense of the word.

>>713829680
he's alright, but he's the pinnacle of the annoyance of having a band of lovey dovey super powered people with tragic backstories banding together, which is the core of this plot.

so many super powered exceptions it makes the settings meta-physics seem more superfluous than it already is.

>>713830261
Didn't have a shitty childhood too?
Higgs wasn't really a good person before, but he mostly was a loser, he pretty much got radicalized by power and then lost his mind more and more

>>713830010
nigga, he's physically on the beach, as in, a real being unlike when your Ha or w/e go there.

he fucking DIED there too after finally killing himself after 10k years, so now he can look like w/e the fuck he wants.

Can you not get the fucking coat Sam wears at the start of the game or something?

>>713825402
You do know thats just how /v/ is right? Internet hipsters for life. Always gotta be contrarian because people here think having the opposite opinion makes them cool.

The biggest example is how the souls series went from niche and being considered the greatest thing ever to mainstream and as bad as cod or fifi now

>>713830343
Even Sam, he has some good scenes, but there's genuinely some times where Reedus barely seem to be trying, at least with Fragile I can cope and say it's "on purpose" due to what happened to her

>>713830494
Nope, it's the same as the regular porter outfit in the first death stranding.

>>713830624
Fuck this shit man

32yo asian hag

>>713830462
he grew up alone with his Uncle (or father?) who beat the shit out of him daily in a bunker, for probably 18 years.

he then killed him and left.

he then spent like 18 years trying to be a good person and use his DOOMS abilities to be a porter, and also at one time, a freedom fighter/rebel against UCA's BB program.

then he worked with Fragile to do good work, but then Amelie showed up and broke the man, all concepts of morality and goodness ceased to have function when God told him to do bad shit and that everyone in the world would die in the end.

>>713825084 (OP)
Not enough Higgs.

When Die Hardman did the thing, I think my brain couldn't register at first what was happening, it's so sudden, and then AI plot is pretty much swoop in one blow
It be like if just after the AI codec in MGS2 at the end, the real Campbell suddenly appeared, did a fortnite dance, and then plugged out the AI somehow

>>713830223
>Wasn't it Oscar Isaac?
It was.
Kojima posted on his instagram/twitter a long time ago that he thought Luca looked like Snake because he watched some show or movie with Luca in it.

>>713830462
what? he was an EXCEPTIONALLY good person, he was Sam Porter on steroids, helping people for like over a decade.

>>713830710
>>713830794
Amelie doesn't get enough shit for what she did

Did you like the cast?

>>713830697
Very pretty

>>713830843
Amelie is almost white washed by this game, she doesn't say a thing, but the game keep trying to paint her better than the original when it was more nuanced

>>713830843
Both Lucy and Amelie fucked up Sam for life. Fragile was the best thing that happened to him.

>>713830849
I hate celebrities with a burning passion. Mads was fantastic, i'm ok with Del Toro, i have no strong emotions towards Reedus and his fetus. Everyone else can burn in hell.

>>713830843
I mean she does, they all turn on her when they find out in DS1 and do everything to stop her, including Diehardman trying to outright assassinate her.

its just to Sam, its his Mom.

The game is being boycotted for being a bit too much on the nose

I don't understand how Kojima can think Neil is "a better Cliff", he appears much less in the game, clearly doesn't have has much emotional connections, he instantly fucked up as he escalate the situation and then dies pretty pathetically, he's like Cliff if he fucked up everything.

Even his boss fights are worse, they have more gimmicks yet they don't play as well, his soldiers (which I don't understand why he has some considering he was just a porter) also are much more generic.

I wanted sam to kiss lou at the end

>>713830997
yea Mads put in 150% effort, he talks about it in interviews.

him and Die-Hardman had the best performances of the first game, with Troy being a close second.

>>713825084 (OP)
LIKE MARIO AND PRINCESS BEACH

>>713830849
Yeah I like pretty much all of them, except for Lucy and Neil they're whatever

>>713831115
Die Hardman almost being a joke character in the second game really was weird

>>713831042
knowing Kojima, this is on purpose, its very very on the nose lol.

it is after all, the most obvious, most well known """"Secret"""" in global politics, its so impressive their social control, that even at this point, pointing it out is nuclear red hot wrongthink.

It's weird hos despite Fragile pretty much being your boss in this game, Sam and Her interact a lot less than in the first game, it made the kiss feels weird, like, they barely interact together outside of professionally and her telling Sam to get better

>>713830980
That's why it hurt even more that he loses her right after they're finally able to connect

>>713831087
he thinks of himself as a villain who has soldiers, Neil has a very negative view of what he is doing, and he carried that into the afterlife, its why he's always tagged and bagged at the start of each fight.

he's both a captive/slave and also a villain in his mind/soul

>>713830497
What a disingenuous jaded retard you outed yourself to be lol by now people are tired of Souls shit because it’s been the same formula for the last ten years retard and it bothers you enough that you have to seethe about different opinions in a DS thread of all places lmao

I'm genuinely unsure if I liked the story or disliked it.

>>713829510
why does he have fetal alcohol syndrome

So no one liked him?

>>713830849
Celebrities are so fucking cringe and gay

>>713831467
He's pretty much "Cliff-at-home", he just looks cool.

ya know, Troy in real life can be a really annoying fucker.

but I have to admit, he's one of the best actors in like 20 fucking years, both VA and Mocap.

>>713831446
What? he doesn't look like that he just look like Troy Baker
>>713831568
It's pretty funny how he ended up acting better than the actual professional actors. Most of them at least.

>>713825084 (OP)
>I understand that people are not happy with how it turned out compared to DS1. So what did Kojima do wrong?
Too zany.
>muh kinosoulkojimbo
It's too quirk chungus for me. Can't immerse myself or take it seriously at all. Kojima needs a competent team that can push back on his schizo ideas, not yes men.

>>713831568
>Troy in real life can be a really annoying fucker
So it's true to the game too? Higgs is awful. I genuinely don't know how everyone didn't cringe out of their seats when he starts to talk more in 1.

WHERE ARE MY SCHIZOS

>>713831467
Honestly design wise his just cool looking but the character storywise didn't do anything.

>>713831729
I FORGOT THE PICTURE

This reminded me of MGSV, entire game seems to be more MGS-like with the random ninjas and mechs, leaving the thread since i haven't finish the fedex man journey.

The Mexicans enemies are the only enemies who are not total hypocrites, at least they are honest on what they are doing
The non lethal enemies in Australia are... Anti technology people who use technology? And Survivalist who use real weapons so are accelerating the world being fucked? What are their deals?

>>713831874
It reminded me more of 5 because the ending makes me feel empty and some stuff are made to purposely disappoint the player.

Do people still explode when they die?

>>713831242
Im getting you fired worthless goyim cattle

>>713832101
Yes, but using lethal ammo now is much more complicated, you need to enter a secret code which is only told in some social media post in-game.

>The image that buck broke /v/

>If you like Higgs social media post when he is spamming you, he actually gives you hundred of likes back
What's his deal?

>>713832323
He really, really, really likes Sam

>>713826136
>Lou is not Sam's biological kid
never was? it was literally a random baby in a pod in the first game that Sam took from some random guy he met. Were you under the impression that the baby was biologically his? Are you retarded?

>>713832434
Wait when does this scene happens? I remember the trailers teasing it but I don't remember seeing it ingame, is it a random thing?

>>713825623
>mgs2
mgs2 is a conventionally appealing storyline once you get past the raiden fakeout and a few of the weird outliers like vamp and liquid's arm. It's a conventional conspiracy thriller from the perspective of a fish out of water self insert with the twists and turns you'd expect, capped off with a hopeful call to action. tone down the violence and Japanese sex humor and you could make a young adult novel out of it. Structurally it's really not that weird at all.

>>713832434
>Kojima said he's doing with Higgs what he wanted to do with Liquid Snake as he regretted killing him
what did Kojima meant by this?

>>713832486
It's a secret scene you get if you sleep next to the coffin

>>713832323
That man has been alone for a long, long time.

>>713832643
Damn, can you still see it after completing the game?

>>713832695
I dunno, try it out or just look it up on youtube

Neilbros... how do we clear his status as the black sheep of DS2?

>>713832434

It's cool Higgs actually isn't redeemed or even really sympathetic. The game still says he used to be a good game, but he did far too many bad things and is pretty much irredeemable by the time of DS2. It's important to still have actual evil villains in a age of most villains being redeemed, while still also showing he wasn't always like this.

>>713832798
THIS MAN DIED
TO PROTECT HIS GIRLFRIEND WHO CHEATED ON HIM
AND HE FAILED AT IT BECAUSE HE ACTED LIKE SOME IDIOT WHEN CAUGHT
AND THEN HE TRIGGERS THE EQUIVALENT OF A NUCLEAR BOMB AND IT GETS BLAMED ON HIS DEAD GF

>>713833013
>>713832798
I could fix him
I could make him happy

>>713833013
THE MISTAKE I MADE
IT CAN'T BE TURNED AROUND

>>713833134
Anon no offense but he's not gay

>>713825084 (OP)
>So what did Kojima do wrong?
I'm not down with recycling a villain from the last game. I don't care how cool you make him this time or if the VA did a 10/10 academy award job, you wait at least two games before pulling that shit.

>>713833184
At least Cliff actually almost managed his plan, unlike Neil who fucked it up 5 minutes after it started, and Sam did gets saved in the end thanks to becoming a repatriate

>>713825730
Anon shitposting about strand games without ever having played the game is a time-honored tradition in these parts.

>>713833185
How do you know? Did you already try and get rejected?

I can't get the happy birthday scene until next year.

I'm having fun with the gameplay, but my impression so far is that this game was completely unnecessary.
The whole Lucy/Niel plot is completely unnecessary and doesn't need to be told.
The little hints we got of Lucy and the tragic incident in 1 was more interesting to think about.
There is not an ounce of mystery to the setting anymore, which was one of the major appeals of the first game. I know what all this is.
Not enough new interesting stuff
Gameplay is better, but only marginally so
Higgs is cool

>>713833357
I wonder if the scene changes after completing the game since Higgs and Fragile are dead

I miss Mules, they were more interesting to encounter.

>>713833568
What happened to them and the terrorist anyway?

Neil treatment was so goddamn bad. Mads' twist was fantastic as a mysterious soldier man who implied to be looking for your BB only to reveal that you're his BB, then his heart to heart at the end. Neil is just "lol I got cucked now I'm gonna haunt your ass, also I safekeep your daughter for some reason". Lucy is somehow even more pointless than in 1.

Norman reedus isn't a good actor. He literally just plays the same guy every time.

>>713833660
How does Sam even see Neil's visions anyway, since he doesn't really have a BB? Can Dollman just do this too?

>>713833660
>reveal you're his BB
This shit was as obvious as Lou=Tomorrow

>>713825623
People exaggerate how mgs2 was received, it wasn't despised when it came out.

>>713829680
More like Backseatman

So huh what happens to APAS now since DieHardman BTFO it? The UCA still doesn't exist anymore, I'm not sure Bridges even still exist. Who runs the society now?

>>713833796
Its as much as DS2. Ignoring the Raiden stuff, the end of the game is pure fan service shit
>liquid possessing ocelet
>like 4 double crosses at the end
>Liquid taking over Ocelot again just to have a 3 brothers moment of only room for one big boss
>oh your power is fake, 30 seconds later but maybe?
Everything until you are ontop of Arsenal in MGS2 is great.

>>713833792
At least it can still be mysterious for first timers. All the promotional materials for 2 are too on the nose like "Tomorrow is in your hand". Mads actually have impacts for the story and Neil is such a goddamn nobody him and Lucy's story can not be included and it still change almost nothing.

>>713834265
You could take out the Mads story too though? It exists to explain this dude was Sam's dad. It has nothing to do with Amelie or EE, or the Last Stranding.

>>713834506
it also has links with Amelie and Die Hardman though

M__4<iej |\|owic<ki married to Eve - stellar blade

>>713834651
Inconsequential ones
>he was DH's commander and pulled him out everytime
Amelie only really cause she needed the BB. There are many more "Mads" after who also had a BB.

>>713825084 (OP)
>Can we have an actual discussion about the story of DS2?
Honestly they should've just called it King's Field 2, it has just as little connection in terms of story.

>>713832436
that is how that ends up in this game lol Lou IS his baby, through the most convoluted way possible.

>>713832919
he's incredibly sympathetic, but he's also incredibly evil now, he's the quintessential "too far gone" villain.

For some reasons Sam didn't seem surprised when he realized Lou was Tomorrow
Isn't it also convenient how Tomorrow suddenly remembers in the end?

Neil Vana > Clifford Unger

>>713835228
His backstory is, but the person he is now isn't, it's like when a guy falls to too far in extremism, you feel sad for his past self but not his present

>>713835247
I think this image might be doing something to me

Wait people didn't liked the story? I think is better than the whole Amelie obsession

>>713834506
it does, Unger dying with BB Sam in his hands (also shot) causes Amelie to grow a heart, and res Sam.

this broke physics for good and started the Death Stranding.

>>713835228
I like his brother dynamic with Sam. He really does love Sam in a way.

I was a little bummed at how the ending was playing but then the guitar fight happened, it was so ridiculous it ended up becoming kino

Did anybody read the DS novel? Is it any worth getting if you liked the characters of DS?

Very underwhelming story, I was expecting a MGS2 situation where Neil is the real protagonist, instead his character is a nothingburger and the game is a retread.

>>713835749
if I remember right on what someone else told me about these : some chapters are not in the pov of Sam, but other characters instead, so the story has some differences

What happened with Higgs death anyway? how did Tomorrow turn into a giant Lou? Why did do nothing but sing a song before being eaten? Why didn't he teleport away as he could do it again and again during his fight?

>surprised Kojima won't deliver

shit I meant >>713835860 for >>713835770

How the fuck does everyone knows about Lou's theme? It was supposed to be a song only Cliff sung to Sam when he was a baby, and then in this game everyone and their mothers knows the song and keeps referencing it.

>>713835860
>>713836012
Thanks that's what I was hoping it'd be like, gonna check it out

I watched a short stream of the beginning of the game yesterday and i struck me how easy it looked. you could you mow down mules like they were nothing. and you were given a ton of guns and even a car at the very beginning. Did they fuck the game up to make it more attractive to normies who want a generic shooter game?

>>713836308
I kid you not, this game on 'Brutal' difficulty, the hardest one, is EASIER than arguably all of the MGS game on the normal difficulty, maybe even the easiest for some of them..
But that's pretty much par for the course, the first game was still crazy easy even after they added Very Hard in Director's Cut.

seems like DS2 is another covid era casualty with kojima being sick during development and staff remotely fucking around

>>713835472
>grow a heart
Or literally as it was said in the same scene, she still can find a use for him.

>>713825402
I don't think there's anything contrarian or hipster about it. DS1 was a great experience. DS2 may or may not be a great experience. I haven't played it myself and likely never will. It just doesn't seem that interesting. It's biggest issue is ultimately now we're in sequel territory and now the finality of things has been likely stripped away.

>The World is ending
OH NO THAT's TERRIBLE !!!
>Alright guys. The world is ending X2. It's SUPER DUPER SERIOUS NOW
>GUITAR MAN HITT'EM WITH THE SICK RIFTS N SHIT BWZZWAAARERIOREIREIAROEIRIAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA haha

Why are we even here.
Just to suffer it seems.

>>713836456
The only times I died in ds2 was really due to the character being slow and locked in animations, like Sam falling and taking 10 whole seconds to get up and open to the enemy fucking me up

>>713830849
why do they all have stupid names

>>713836873
Except they don't talk up the Last Stranding or EEs much at all in DS2, while its quite in your face by halfway into the first game.

>>713835151
jesus christ that is stupid

>>713836923
Because it's funny

I hope Kojima will restrain himself a little more for Physint

>>713826136
Lou/Tomorrow is Sam's kid, as was confirmed by Higgs towards the end of the game, as well as in the flashback where Lucy says the kid's dad is a repatriate (Sam being the only known repatriate).

>>713832436
>I don't understand these plot points you're bringing up from a game I haven't played? Are you retarded?

I hope people come around Neil. Really liked him. Yeah he is a total fuck up but I feel for hm. His fights were also bit more creative than DS1 I think.

does kojima explain the DOOMS acronym in this game?

#BanditLivesMatter

>>713837592
At least these guys have excuses to act the way they do, they just wanna live as Mexico apparently got messed up even more than the US, it's the other enemies who are hypocrites

>>713825402
No, I just expected gameplay improvements over a 6 year period and all we got were some half-assed additions. The retread storyline stinks too but I don't care that much. Game is just a disappointment. 1 felt new at the time and this is all one giant shameless retread with more face scanning crammed in.

>>713837556

>>713836489
>muh covid
Insane to still be hearing this excuse in 2025

Never played the first.
What's with the baby?
Can I ignore the story and just deliver things?

>>713837819
He's kind of cute

>>713825084 (OP)
a rehash, didnt try anything really new
reminds me of God of War Ragnarok, first one was great, second one felt like a pointless forced sequel and waste of time

also i felt DS1 had the perfect ending that wrapped everything up

>>713825084 (OP)
There literally is no fucking story except, GIRL BOSS GIRL BOSS MOTHERS WOMEN STRONG etc...

This was Kojimas initiation into hollyweird.

>>713838296
Honestly I don't get the hate he's a cool character. Sure Clifford is great but there's a place for Neil too.

>>713838291
>Baby. Bridge Baby. "BB." Raised especially to act as a bridge between the lands of the living and dead.
>Can I just deliver shit?
Mostly yeah. Some mandatory boss fights. Cutscenes are skippable.

>>713829610
Doctor Breen lookin' ass.

>>713837302
>>I don't understand these plot points you're bringing up from a game I haven't played? Are you retarded?
You don't seem to understand it either though? Based on this thread its the opposite of what you claimed.

I haven't played DS2 but are people genuinely saying that the baby (BB-28 / Lou) that Sam just by complete random coincidence game across in DS1 happens to actually be his real life child that he once had?

Is that really the route Kojima is going?

I mean can we really ignore how cool these segments are? Just as good as DS1 if not better.

It's okay once DS3 comes out people will start to like 2

>>713838465
That is kinda the playbook of all the big Sony games in the last few years. Ragnarok, Forbidden West, Spiderman 2, and probably Yotei are all iterative improvements gameplay wise but fall short story. Its not unlike PS1 or PS2 era iterative sequels, what did Up Your Arsenal do over GC besides MP? Or Crash 2 to Crash 1?

The difference really is games came out yearly or every 2 years, this is after 6 years.

>>713838937
I feel like it was always implied in DS1. Sam and Lou share a bond that transcends everything. And they find each other because of it. I think Cliff knew as well.

>>713839006
These segments are way fucking better than dogshit trenches from DS1.

>>713839283
I don't agree at all, I never got that impression. I mean yes their bond is clearly there but I never needed it to be some actual connection by blood, especially not given how lou is set up... like the game kind of makes a point that its a complete coincidence he comes across bb-28 and any mystery around bb-28 does not relate to sam himself, seems like a big asspull retcon

>>713838937
It's a small world

>>713839528
but it really is in DS1, like it is not even unbelievable that Sam would find Lou eventually

>>713825084 (OP)
>So what did Kojima do wrong?
He made a sequel to a story that doesn't need a sequel.

>>713825402
>or Elden Ring vs Dark Souls 3.
I replayed DS3 at least 15 times, never touched ER again once I saw the credits. DS3 is a better, more replayable game with better pacing.

>>713839493
I don't think it's a retcon as much as Kojima just elaborated further. That's not a good enough reason to hate it IMO.

>>713839781
Yes. If it was going to be in the same setting, they should have used completely different characters so they could have done some different wacky things.
DS2 feels like Ghostbusters 2.

>>713839990
but I liked the characters from DS1 and wanted more of them

>>713839185
>Turns out Fragile was cucking Sam the whole time with Higgs, Die Hardman and Deadman too
>Also Lou isn't just Sam's daughter, she's also his mother Lisa because of uhh... stranding and chiralium and shit
Did you rike it

he can't keep getting away with it

>>713839241
yeah, after 5 years you would expect a loot of chnages
instead games like ragnarok are just too fucking long, but do nothing new, you could split that game in two and it would be fine

>critics hate DS1 but people love it
>critics love DS2 but people hate it

no way to win

I've heard the story is better in 2 which makes me happy to hear

>mfw "Shred right back"

>>713841151
All the reviews loved the story and finale but /v/ hates it

So was Neil an actual criminal before being a porter doing shaddy works or were they just bullshiting to gaslight him

>>713826914
> i didn't play the game
we know anon

>>713840029
model rip when

>>713840029
>actually Ellie's feet

KEK, based.

>>713825084 (OP)
>I understand that people are not happy with how it turned out compared to DS1.
Wut?

So far it is leaps and bounds better than DS1.

>>713825084 (OP)
I'm not that far in but I'm sad you don't carry around Lou for the whole game. I saw the spoilers for Lou but yeah, that sucks. I'm a dad and my life revolves around my kids, so DS1 hit a special spot.

I've watched 9 hours of cutscenes and still have zero idea of whats happening in this game

>>713836923
because its a kojimbo game and he names his characters after the first english word he can think of that is vaguely connected to them

Im just gonna get to pekora, do all of her delivers then never play again.

>>713833013
she cheated on sam with him

>>713843146
She cheated on both
he wasn't aware of Sam and Sam wasn't aware of him

>>713843146
>t.didn't play Death Stranding 2

got a question then im out dont want spoilers waiting for a PC port, can you play the game offline? as in no one building shit for you like DS1? i like being on my own and doing everything myself without roads or vehicles

All I wanna is, does the baby survive?

>>713843436
>>713840029

>>713843146
Lucy was a major ho. Neil didn't know about Sam. Sam didn't know about Neil.

>>713843259
fragile: that's how much lucy loved you, sam: that didn't stop her from cheating on me
who didn't play ds2 retard

>>713843529
Speaking of that I'm surprised we never actually see the video that's on the device, like it was something supposed to be given to Sam, Neil himself gave it to him

>>713843529
I think she EXPLICITLY cheated on Sam in an attempt to trick the UCA into thinking the baby might not be Sam's, but Neil's instead.

I mean she liked Neil because of their connection but that was the motive I believe.

...is it fun? Like DS1 was fun until you get vehicles its so weird how they make those games full of tools you gotta use to survive but not even halfway through the game they give you shit that trivialise everything

>>713830548
Norman is like Keanu in that he’s only capable of playing himself

Spoil me on whether or not there's a third map. Is Mexico and Australia it?

>>713847119
desu Keanu used to be able to play other type of characters

>dabs on you

>>713833293
Cliff fucked up his plan 30 seconds after it started. You telling me he didn’t account for a locked door?

>>713833778
It doesn’t make any sense no matter how you look at it. It made sense in 1 because Sam was seeing his own memories. With Neil, there’s zero connection there. It could’ve worked if they had stuck to having Neil be Lou’s biological father. But they didn’t, so it doesn’t make sense.

>>713837819
I kinda wish Neil had stuck around instead of passing on at the end. He seemed to have more self awareness than Cliff, even going so far as saving Sam from the debris.

>>713847573
Wasn't Die Hardman supposed to back his ass though?

>>713833778
>>713847745
Neil was actively trying to communicate with Sam. Sam was carrying Lou's pod and, albeit empty, it might house Lou's Ka or be connected to it.
I do want you to remember that Lou is simultaneously 0 and 11 years old at the same fucking time.
The Fragile thing, the voidout and being saved by Amelie, it all happened at the same "moment" in time.
She is literally a being out of her time.

The more I think about Neil the more I like him. Seriously, the cutscenes with him are so well directed. The fights are so stunning. He’s like Cliff yet completely different at the same time. I really think that he will be much more appreciated with time.

>norman reedus naked scenes, in shower with del toro, etc
>hell yeah asa cock sex awesome!
>fragile in t shirt and underwear
>umm this is a yikes for me yall. oof kojima
why are they like this?

>>713847976
I was really iffy by him at first but I'm warming up to him
I just don't understand why he was made to look like Solid Snake despite sharing nothing with him, unless it was just Kojima wanting the actor as Snake so he had the character cosplaying, or if it was Kojima wanted the players to expect a different character out of him

>>713847991
What are you talking about? death stranding by far is much more modest with this than any previous Kojima games, especially if you look at concept art
(I heard a rumor this was asked by Sony though)

posting but then bouncing unless I get a (you) to avoid spoilers but finally decided to try DS after putting it off for years and getting it on one of the epic giveaways. I just reached chapter 3 and it's bretty fun so far and kojima's bullshit is hitting the spot. Haven't touched anything from him since MGSV came out.

Is the experience diluted with there being player-made structures everywhere now?

>>713848278
>Is the experience diluted with there being player-made structures everywhere now?
no, the game has an internal balance for that stuff.

>>713848178
Kojima even had to say to the actor "You are not Solid Snake, you just have a bandana"
I guess that Neil is forced to become a soldier, forced to carry the stick. Unlike Cliff who wanted to be there. Same way that Solid Snake is forced to be a soldier and live that life. I am still not sure.

>>713848278
DS as in DS1? Eh, I played the non-DC version of it a few years ago and there weren't many structures desu, at least for me it was fine to play online. The game actually prevents structures from showing up depending on how far you are in the story.
Not sure how the Director's Cut is.

Why is the photo mode button the same as the button to like other player structures?

Half the time I try to spam likes on other players stuff I get knocked into photo mode and it's annoying as fuck. I remember this being a problem in the first game too and they just didn't fix it. Fuck man just make photo mode a menu option from the pause menu or whatever instead of the touchpad.

I'm enjoying the game so far though, I'm only about 10 hours in and I'm still in Mexico lmao, I'm just driving around looking for lost deliveries and then bringing them to each outpost to 5 star them before I move on to the next part of the story.

>>713848250
>what are you talking about? huh?
this meme is so tiring

>>713848480
Pretty sure Snake wasn't forced to be a soldier until MGS1. He wasn't reluctant for prior to outer heaven, MG1 and 2.

the "kept you waiting huh" in the final boss just felt so forced, it was said in a "please clap now!" way.
though it's funny how this time, it's the villain quoting Solid and the hero quoting Liquid's "it's not over yet!" (though Norman said it with absolutely zero emotion or punch)

>>713848668
I guess so, but he does lament that life.

First Neil is bound by hands, then his voice, then his sight. I wonder if that has any deeper meaning or it basically just shows the soldiers have control over him, unlike how Cliff had control over them.

The soundtrack of the game is barely talked about but it was really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoLl88YA7U&list=RDZGoLl88YA7U&start_radio=1

>>713848914
Konami still controls MGS and Kojima no longer has any controls on Snake
Though it be kind of a dick move considering the new head of MGS actually is very friendly to Kojima and respect him a lot

>>713848771
I sometimes feel like whoever they have doing the voice directing just fears celebrities and lets them do their thing instead of interjecting and it leads to some mixed results.

NEIL WAS NOT A MISTAKE
HE WAS NOT A MISTAKE

>>713849107
Norman didn't even get the line right, it was supposed to be "It's not over yet!" and instead he said "it ain't over yet."
Norman was pretty good in cutscenes but his gameplay lines were devoid of emotions

>>713832798
??? Neil was kino in every scene

>>713849180
Sit in the chair and watch Sam

>>713840029
Is this really considered a beautiful/hot girl in America?

>>713849180
>it was not a mist-ACK

>>713848993
I get the feeling this is the only time Higgs has ever felt alive or happy in his entire life.

Neil was Kojima's self insert in this world wasn't he

>>713825084 (OP)
Sure, but I just finished order 10, so...

NEIL WAS NOT SOLIDNSNAKE
HE WAS NOT SOLIDNSAKE

>>713849296
Her model for DS2 is really weird. Elle is gorgeous IRL but her model feels like the mocap was a bit off and some expressions can completely change her face from "Elle Fanning" to "skinwalker pretending to be Elle Fanning"

>>713849068
that's irrelevent, he made MGS, in a way that cannot be overstated.

he wrested that franchise from two obscure Famicom games he made (that were story focused in a time that simply didn't exist) into a mega franchise that is world renowned.

then they booted him from the entire company. some new guy, friendly or not, is just walking around with his creation, no one can "really" touch it but him, no one else put 20 fuckin years into doing so.

>>713849253
I KNOW RIGHT
HE WAS GREAT
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE

>>713849435
Kojima didn't make the famicom games, he hated the famicom version of Metal gear for this too. though the second game ended up what pushed him to make metal gear 2 on the MSX, which in turn, lead to him making MGS
I forgot who the guy is but I know he was a guy who also worked with Kojima for years with big roles, ever since Policenauts

>>713849408
kek

>>713849208
comparing the level of effort Norman put in, to Troy Baker is laughable.

Troy is a true professional in the industry and Norman barely seemed to give a fuck.. but his VA work wasn't completely awful at least.

Why is everyone posting the notSnake and not posting the notCyborg Ninja?

>>713849329
huh i never thought about it like that, i don't know if he's capable of being that subtle but it sorta fits with the whole snake imagery, kojima will; never escape solid snake and metal gear

>>713849487
Luca is unironically a better actor than Mads

>>713836923
Because they're named like old times, where if you ran the mill in town, you were named "Miller"
So in this world, you get a label smacked on you and some of them embrace it, others suffer because of it, and some defy it. It's interesting, but not deep. You should be able to understand it after five fucking years, Anon Retard.

>>713849660
Because it's Deadman and then Higgs somehow

>>713849571
he literally directed and and designed Metal Gear.

>>713849487
IM NUCLEAR

>>713849649
A lot of the real life actors were just phoning it while the actual voice actors were doing very good performances
Die Hardman still was perfect as always though. He really seem to love that character.

>>713849329
>Neil was Kojima's self insert in this world wasn't he
>>713849408
>NEIL WAS NOT SOLIDNSNAKE
>HE WAS NOT SOLIDNSAKE


bravo kojima

>>713836923
all of human civilization ended and this new civilization has people named after their job or what they can do.

simple as that, fuckhead.

>>713849661
Physint being related to Metal Gear still is a possibility.

>>713849649
I actually started to appreciate Troy as a VA after DS1 and 2.
He IS a good VA, but everyone hires him to do the same fucking voice every fucking time.
He was great as Higgs.

>>713849737
On the MSX, yes.

>>713849716
Seriously I am now convinced that Neil is the best character

So is there really gay faggot sex in this or was that bullshit doom mongering?

>>713849763
Die-Hardman's actor's performance is fucking insanely well done from someone outside the industry.

its baffling they lowered his characters footprint in this game, though he is pivotal in the end.

>>713849660
>>713849731
Samurai basically was a non-character, though at first I expected him to be a different character each time, just like the cyborg ninja of MGS2 pretending to be multiple other people in the japanese dub.
Instead he's Deadman...somehow? When Deadman also already is on the beach and in Heartman? and then it's Higgs somehow with no explained reasons

>>713850001
What was he doing anyway before? the actor seems pretty old. yet I have never seeing anywhere else, dude is genuinely a god tier actor, the breakdown scene in the first death stranding is probably one of the best acted scene I have ever seeing in a game

>>713849947
he's a great character, he's a great version of "guy caught up in bad shit but desperately wants to be good" and he commits to it in the end, even though Lucy rejected him, and it wasn't his child, he was dedicated to Lucy so he protected Lou when absolutely no one else could, redeeming himself of his sins, an "inverse" version of Higgs.

>>713849919
Troy has always been one of the tippy-top Video game actors/VA/Mocap guys, Jhonny Yong Bosch too.

>>713849314
Death Stranding taught me that sometimes, having a worst enemy is close enough to a best friend

>>713850019
Well, in case you haven't realized yet, Deadman has the power to possess things. That's how he possessed the tar giant to turn it into the Magellan Man, that's how he possessed Heartman.
And Higgs is not really physical anymore, he was just possessing drones the entire game until Sam and crew actually go to the beach.

>>713850019
the Robots are all controlled by APAS on the beach, Deadman simply took control of the connection to one, the Samurai, to help Sam.

Higgs figured this out and took control of it himself, both he and Deadman are in similar situations.

>>713850205
I wonder what he did BEFORE the pregnant women incident. He's said to be an "unrepentant criminal" and he's doing this stuff for Bridges to be left free (well, free enough, he's still supervised), it must have being serious shit

>>713848993
The original is one of my daughter's favorite songs. She'll be excited to hear there's a remix.

>>713850227
Higgs doesn't really seem to hate Sam, in fact, he likes him alot.

but he wants him to suffer ALOT, to get back at Amelie, simple as that, she chose him after basically pulled a "its just a prank bro, we aren't actually ending all life bro, I know I made you kill children bro, just a prank!

>>713849947
>Samefagging Neilfag thinks he can convince anyone that captain save a ho was better than based Cliff.
Lol

>>713850276
Since Higgs is controlling most of his robots thanks to APAS, does it mean he's basically larping as a cult when his "followers" does rituals, pilgrimages and all? is he just playing dolls with his robots out of boredom?

>>713850343
I mean he's in Mexico post Death Stranding, I bet you had to do some real fucking awful shit to make due down there.

>>713850343
Nirvana quite literally says he was smuggling Mexican pregnant women across the border for the proto-BB programs once the Death Stranding (phenomenon) started.

>>713850425
Higgs was doing the equivalent of daydreaming in the shower or before going to bed, yes.

>>713850425
sort of, I believe the collective souls of APAS are controlling them most of the time.

Higgs has just somehow gotten to a position of import in APAS, bafflingly so.

how they wouldn't know who he was is a huge oversight.

>>713850507
the smuggling stuff was AFTER, it was ordered by Bridges for him to be let free due to what he did in the past instead of prison for life

>>713850543
>>713850425
APAS says that it was using Higgs as a pawn, so it could be either:
Higgs controlling all the drones or APAS controlling the drones to follow Higgs bidding.

>>713850543
desu, prior to DS2, did most people knew Higgs was a terrorist? he always had his skull mask. he was even able to infiltrate a UCA installation.

>>713850704
Homo demens was a terrorist org deliberately causing voidouts in the knot shitties.

GODDAMMIT YOU STUPID SHITPOSTERS

>>713850704
he PROUDLY tells people who he is, it was years of him being the leader of Homo Demens, a group bent on literally ending the world.

sure the truth of Amelie never came out to anyone but Sam's close little group of friends, but Higgs is absolutely world famous for being so evil.

they NUKED A CITY.

>>713850779
Yeah, but Higgs wasn't even their true leader, they don't actually have a leader, some of them just followed Higgs closer thanks to his powers. and at that time, he almost always had his skull mask to hide his face

>>713850650
another brick in the wall of "APAS being fucking retards"

I like that they were completely outmanuevered by the cunning of a single middle-age black man.

if your Machivellian plan to save humanity in a really weird way can be bested by one guy hiding in a closet for a few weeks, you are fucking retarded.

>>713850940
APAS is basically "what if the Patriot AI in MGS was fucking awful at being a mastermind"

>>713850857
any group who nukes a city would be scrutinzed by any org for years to come.

and they KNEW he was HIggs of of Homo Demens, by the by.

>>713851013
well they were somewhat genuinely altruistic, just their plan is inhuman.

I DON'T BREAK SO EASY

>>713850780
meanwhile Mads has the same stupid look the entire game

I don't like that APAS and Higgs are so.. incompetent.

Higgs especially, he banked everything on Lou ending the world with the Final Stranding, but somehow couldn't predict Lou would just kill him and do nothing else.

otherwise his plan would have worked perfectly, just completely defeated by.. nothing on the hero's part beyond Sam being a good Dad.

>>713851080
You could say the same about the Patriots until they became brain damaged due to what happened in MGS2 in MGS4

>>713850613
The only "crime" that is mentioned him entering the US illegally, a Kojima sheltered Japanese commentary on the US border policies, then they used him to smuggle braindead pregnant women.
Him and Lucy bonded over this, over his guilt.

Really, the whole DS2 plot is Kojima reacting to 2020 covid histeria and the 2020 US-Mexico border histeria.
APAS wanting everyone to stay in their pod and eat the bugs? "ZERO VOIDOUT" policy?
The people trying to control the whole world by avoiding travel and human contact?
Having Die Hardman saying that humans need human contact despite risks?
That's a commentary on covid policies.
Don't really try to make it deeper than it is. Kojima himself said covid made him rewrite DS2.
DS2 even has mentions of the Australian bushfires of 2020.

>>713851347
Would a dude who just entered the US illegally be said to be an "unrepentant criminal"? the wording is really strong just for this.

>tfw I'm playing a game about connections while I no longer really have connections in my life and mostly stays sheltered and avoiding people and everything

>>713851347
nothing wrong with that, the Covid Times irrevocably fucked or economy and society for 5 years and our elites just want to act like none of it ever happened, lest of all let anyone critique it ever.

>>713851414
For me it felt like that was a threat to force Nirvana into doing what he was told because he replied "yeah, doing YOUR dirty work".
And in that scene they were trying to hire Nirvana again to smuggle more braindead women.
Basically, "if you don't do what you're told we have legal means to arrest you".
Blackmail.

>>713851347
>>713851731
So does DS2 say anything bad about le hecking drumpf?

>>713851921
Kojima critiques movements, ideals, politics and events, not individuals.

>>713852064
So does DS2 say anything bad about le hecking drumpf?

>>713826136
>Didn't actually play the game
Go be a faggot somewhere else, like /pol/

>>713852153

>>713851921
Mhm, not about Trump himself, but the wall or rather the idea of it. Rather the ridiculousness of actually building a whole fucking wall to surround a continental landmass.
DS2 is actually extremely centrist, as Kojima doesn't really go after actual figures, but rather ideals.
It is pro natalism, anti covid mandates but it criticizes "a wall to block the US".

>>713852284
So it says something bad about Drumpf, got it

This is how I feel to get both DS2 and MGS3remake

>>713852392
mfw

>>713852284
I think its also wild that only America, out of all nations on earth, cannot protect its borders from border hoppers.

its literally a leftwing ideal that you can't, meaning you really don't "have" a nation, you just have economic zones.

of course heckin blacks and browns deserve soverign nations with NO WHITEY, but not America or other western nations.

"Wall is a dumb thing to build" is missing the point, its forest for the trees.

its irrelevent, the Infinite free Immigration to the West movement will win, there's so much push for it with big BIG Money and clout, that with enough time, it'll win.

I have no idea the end result, I guess white people fleeing and taking over one of the now empty shithole cities, and in a hundred years, all the human Dross running to that new place.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

>>713835824
Pre-launch trailers did hyped him a lot that it really felt like he would be a secondary protagonist at the least.

How old are the characters anyway? (time spent on the beach doesn't count), I don't know if they are supposed to be as old as their actors or younger

>>713852782
its a Kojima fucking staple, anyone fooled by his marketing should be shot for being so retarded.

you get the hypest of fucking moments and shots, and you will think that character will be critical, when they won't.

>>713836923
They're in a shit DLC

>>713852647
I don't think it is even a commentary about protecting your land, it is not even a commentary on THAT, but rather the physicality of a wall that spans 1954 miles (3145 kilometers).

Neil was fucking great
Imagine having to live up to both Solid Snake and Clifford Unger

The lack of Mads really highlighted how much he carried the first DS.

>Mhm, not about Trump himself, but the wall or rather the idea of it. Rather the ridiculousness of actually building a whole fucking wall to surround a continental landmass.
>DS2 is actually extremely centrist, as Kojima doesn't really go after actual figures, but rather ideals.
>It is pro natalism, anti covid mandates but it criticizes "a wall to block the US".

>>713839891
Dark souls 3 is shit, it has no identity of its own. The dew notable things about it have been refined and improved in Elden Ring, so it just makes it feel even more like a shitty unfinished beta that nobody wants to go back to other than zoomers who played it as their first souls game.

>>713853086
considering it's MGSV's anniversary soon I'm surprised Kojima didn't actually reference TPP with the moby dick stuff.
the only reference in the game I found was pretty subtle, in the second Neil level, in the hospital, the soundtrack sounds extremely similar to the TPP hospital section

>>713852806
DS2 makes it so the Death Stranding happened after Trump's first term, so 2020 or 2021. They specifically mention that the last US president wanted to build a wall.
So DS1 is set in 2050 or 2060.
Sam is implied to be in his 30s. Fragile should be the same age as Sam. Higgs should be the same age as them. Amelie is at least 20-30 years older than Sam as she seemed to be in her 30s or late 20s when Sam was a kid.

>>713852914
It's a fucking fence in what was the global hegemon.

That anyone perceives this as being a megaproject beyond reason is a sign of the times.

>>713853426
Amelie already looked like that when Sam was an infant though. I think she just aged differently due to her power, Sam is around his 40s I think, Iggs and Fragile are a little younger but not by much, mid to late 30s

>anon: DS2 is le blumpf game
>also anon: posts a soijak to own the 'annies

>>713853443
it could be built in a year, they just don't want to build it.

the powers that be want there to be unlimited egress, simple as that, any pushback is a falsetto.

though we are clearly in decline, managed decline, but still, there are absolutely things we could never do again, such as build a city as nice looking as Old Detroit, or similar stuff.

stuff done many years ago, is simply, impossible now.

>>713853379
kept you waiting huh?

>>713827646
That was the good bit, peko.

>>713853853
that's more a general MG thing, it's said in pretty much all Metal Gear games, just like "it's not over yet" though Reedus botched that line as he didn't understood it was a reference, unlike Troy
I don't know if they did a lot of reshot or if they took most of the first takes

>>713853443
Anon, the US-Mexico border is not a flat desert with Rio Grande flowing through it. That is just the easiest way. It is a massive border with diverse vegetation and terrain, including mountains.
Rio Grande is just the cheapest, most effective way.
If the US border guards used live ammunitions instead of detaining, coyotes would stop crossing it and look for other ways because there are other ways. There are 1000+ miles.
If a president really wants to stop illegal immigration from the US, he'll order border patrol to use live ammunition.

>>713853626
That's what I said. Amelie was an adult in her 30s when Sam was a baby, which would make Sam be in his 30s or 40s.

>>713853301
>it has no identity of its own
Meme argument that doesn't apply anymore when Elden Ring and Shartreign exists, pretty sure you loved Dark Souls bosses when they reused them in Shartreign DLC. Dark Souls 3 has
>Good pacing
>Good level design
>Good bosses
Elden Ring has
>No pacing(mAkE yOUr owN pACe)
>Non existent level design
>Shitty bosses you have to kill 10-15 times throughout the same game

Dark Souls 3 is simply a better game and that's why I replayed it at least 15 times. Never replayed ER again because even in 1 playthrough it feels like I'm replaying same game over and over again.

The entirety of neils story is an allegory of metal gear solid haunting kojima

>looks just like solid snake
>is cheated on (mg3 remake and other mgs projects)
>gagged (isnt allowed to talk about it)
>blinded (isnt allowed to see what konami is doing with mgs)

>>713854010
desu Coyotes are some really scummy dudes who abuse desperate people, they probably would keep doing it even with live ammunition as long they are not the ones getting shot

>>713854010
>If a president really wants to stop illegal immigration from the US, he'll order border patrol to use live ammunition.
So you're using this as an excuse to say that Drumpf is a bad president who doesn't care about his own people (this is actually true in other ways doe as he is a mutt zionist jew). Yawn

>>713854010
Maybe use the ammo on the CEOs of the companies that are hiring them? oh wait no those kikes are the good guys, millions of poor people must die rawr

>>713854236
Pretty sure he is aware of stuff, there was multiple reports of Metal Gear workers and Kojipro workers at last Tokyo game show still acting very friendly with each others
If he comment it probably will be after the release of the game though.

>>713825084 (OP)
dark souls 2 doesn't really have a story.

>>713854291
>>713854339
>Muh jews
Back to /pol/

>>713854236
there is also tarman losing his son while himself looking like miller from mgsV and having a moby dick book for you

>>713854397
Greed is the root of all evil, yes.

why are you faggots talking about metal gear when OP ssaid this is a dark souls 2 thread?

>>713854261
I won't disagree with that, to be honest. Coyotes prey on desperate people, often from the countryside of Mexico who are not the sharpest tools in the shed, but making it more dangerous would make coyotes charge more which would deter and slow down business.
Coyotes still need to pay the people lower in the hierarchy such as the guide, the driver, etc.

>>713850121
He's a professional dancer/singer who did theater and musicals, with a few side jobs on TV (which often hires from theaters since they're cheap and professional).

>>713854552
I wonder how Kojima heard of him, that guy is way, way too talented to barely be known before Death Stranding
maybe Kojima has some very good agent scouting for him

Yeah, he is black, but how is this relevant to his character?
If I (a racist) were writing his wiki page I'd say she is a character, not an "African-American".
The fuck?

>>713825402
>>713830497
this

>>713854794
anon you care too much about trivial things

>>713854794
americans are obsessed with racial classifications, both lefties and righties overuse it

>>713851013
It's a decent deconstruction of "super AI running the world" from the persoective of seeing actual AI get lost in pokemin for 5 days thinking its sprite from behind is a different character and that random birds are sources of esoteric wisdom.
They can't actually think since they don't have souls. They just take in information and output a response.

>>713854867
wouldn't want to risk your retarded plebeians to develop a class consciousness.

Anyway, we've thought far more about politics in this single thread than Kojima has ever.

>>713851013
>>713851080
You morons. APAS was literally written after the covid lockdowns.
There is no deeper meaning to it other than what Die Hardman exposes to us.

>>713852284
Yeah but does it have to say anything about how drumpf treast black people and le heckin poor people and le heckin poor white people (aka super rich millenials)

>>713853426
Amalie IS Bridget, who was the VP of the last president. So it can be assumed she was in her mid 30s to 40s when the stranding happened. "Amalie" is just Bridgets Ka on the beach where time doesn't really pass, so she looks like Bridget looked the first time she went to the beach.
Unless I completely misunderstood the ending of DS1. Which is entirely possible.

>>713854291
everyone who's allowed a position of "power" is a zionist in some fashion or another.

its a complete and total prerequisite.

>>713849716
Mids

>>713855290
Bridget is Ha (body), Amelie is Ka (soul).
The Extinction Entity is not revealed to itself in its birth, if I remember correctly. It is just something it becomes aware of.

>>713854698
Some people are happy doing what they do and don't push for attention. All it takes is one person in a casting agency who went to a show or saw an episode and remembered him. Or he saw a listing and decided to show up. He did some voice work for other video games and read some audiobooks before DS as well.

Haven't played the game, won't play the game, looked up the ending, concluded it was entertaining and batshit but not for me.
Woodkid part was gorgeous, and Tomorrow is cute

>>713856069
You forgot the gigachad image.

don't be so serious.
don't be so serious.

>>713856274
Nah I saw tomorrow melt the gigachad I'm good.
The Chandler comes

I wish Neil had stuck around to be another ally instead of just passing on like Cliff

>I'm da jokah baby

People shit on Reedus’ delivery, but I still think Sam is a much better character in DS2. DS1 Sam may as well have been a silent protagonist.

>>713836923
because kojima is a true genius

>>713831042
>Groyptards jiggling their little clitties
Embarrassing

>>713831042
>>713857570
How are groypers even still a thing? Their leader got outed as a gay fed years ago

>>713857838
anon these are people who fell for q shit that was literally "trust the cia and send us money" the only reason they haven't wired their life savings to nigeria to clear up red tape is that they don't know where it is

>>713856478
wash
walk away
berry blast
semi nose
newty clean
daddy o
to understand and know

>>713842658
crazy how well the game runs on performance mode and still looks good

>>713842357
When it comes out for PC.
I don't think there is a decryption tool for PS5 games yet.

>>713850464
Why did they take a Rex’s head and turn it into a ship?

>contribute nearly all the materials to a road
>my name doesn't appear
what the fuck determines this shit? nearly had my name on all the roads on the first one

>>713836923
Princess Beach

I just finished it. the story is pretty similar to the first one, which everyone could tell before it came out. But it's not nearly as similar as people thought due to some twists.
I generally don't like vilains that are evil for no reason but I think they were trying to represent an entire element of society with higgs. Or if you look at how higgs makes references about video games, the meaning of the main theme song of the game, maybe higgs represents people who hate games like ds2.

So what do you think was in Kojima’s first write of the game that people liked more?

Making Lou his biological daughter seems like it goes against the whole “making connections with strangers” theme

>>713860793
niel was the stranger (who boned his wife then blew them all up)

>>713860342
i really don't know. the first game was the same way with that.

>>713857570
The Gazers are innocent, humanity has been tricked with false flag terrorism by APAC to attack them

>>713860574
If you read deep into Higgs’ backstory in the logs, the guy had a fucking tragic past. He tried to be the good guy, but he kept trusting the wrong people and got swindled each time until Amelie eventually Mindbroke him.

>>713856546
Was kinda hoping he’d be the bad guy instead of “oh it’s just Higgs again”

>>713838762
Anon, I want you to go back and read >>713826117, >>713826268, >>713827626, >>713828078, >>713830365 and >>713832436, then come back here and explain to me in no less than 200 words why you're wrong.

>>713861365
what logs? you mean there's an entire story in the games encyclopedia thing?
i might have to boot up the ol' ps5 again...

>>713830849
I thought that tranny would be in it

It’s been more than 15 years since Kojimbo gave us an antagonist as good as Mr. Ruse Cruise. What’s taking him so long?

whats the deal with metal gear solid man?

>>713825084 (OP)
Kojima is just Japanese David Cage.

His games are carried by his team of crazy programmers and creative artists in every department.

Kojima production would be a grade A unstopable studio with a proper writer who can write a proper coherent story and dialogue free of cringe.

Kojima can lead the game design team, he is phenomenal at it.

But it'll never happen because he's surrounded by yes men feeding his artistic dunning Kruger.

Or at the very least he needs someone on his shoulder telling him "that shit was cringe, don't add that to the story/dialogue"
Konami leashed his cringe to a degree and it made his shit tolerable.

ds1, ds2 imo are fun games if you skip every cutscene / dialogue.

>>713836923
I may be Coping, but I'm also Seething

>>713863246
>Konami leashed his cringe to a degree and it made his shit tolerable.
The problem with Death Stranding is there is no cringe. No fat guy on roller blades or gay vampire who can walk on water. Higgs feels like Kojima trying and failing to recapture that magic.

>>713825084 (OP)
I haven't played the game but judging by the footage I've seen , it doesn't take itself seriously at all. It could have been a deep and though provoking story but of course the gooks couldn't help themselves.

out of the loop but isn't it too soon for whiners to have finished the game already?

Enter thread and it's ALL story, nothing about gameplay.
Konami did nothing wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKMg2lhwTk

Tarman has the best actor in the game

>>713863794
>vtumor

Enough about story. Post riveting gameplay.

>>713825402
>Same type of people who are weirdly contrarian about BG3 vs Original Sin 2, or Elden Ring vs Dark Souls 3.
I wish I could troll like this, this is so good.

>promise myself I wouldn’t go full autismo as soon as new delivery areas become available like in ds1
>end up doing it anyway

I’ve barely done any story mission…I think I’m becoming a MULE

Do you leave footprints when you walk everywhere that you can look at with the scan tool like in DS1?

>>713864291
Yes I can also see others footprints too and enemies

>>713863502
You made a really good point actually, I never thought of it that way.

I think his problem is he's afraid to commit to the cringe fully, and thinks the unintentional cringe is some profound Avant-garde shit.

>>713863916
Is...is that slowly walking in a barren world? 10/10 GOTY. Kojimbo did it again!

Don’t worry pcbros…you’ll stop talking shit about it once it gets ported just like the first game

>>713863916
why not wear rollerskates

>game gives you a flashlight
>there’s no need for it because even nighttime is completely visible
My only complaint with the game so far. Kojimbles should have went full darkness like dragons dogma 1.

>>713863794
lets
fucking
GOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>713851253
His plan wasn't to have Lou start the Final Stranding, he just needed her to punch a hole into Amelie's beach and let the Death Stranding anti-matter flood into the server room and kill everything.

The propblem is that he was not there during the last quarter of DS1 game where Amelie voluntarily sealed her beach away and just sealed it back up again the moment she saw her grand-daughter and repartiate.

>Hey, Sam, we know you are resting from your very hard delivery and you tired after traveliing
>but right now there is a huge fucking BT right at our doors
>So take some weapons and go kill it while we'll do fucking nothing, oh and we rate your delivery with 1,5 star
This shit is just annoys me. Where the fuck any of their defence? They don't have not a single soldier or some kind of robotic drones to defence themselves? Sam is not only a hero of this world, he's the only one who can do anything at all. Those people should lick his ass 24/7.

>>713866876
well he is hard to kill

>>713839891
Good, finally someone talking sense. I have 3500hours on DS3 and 600hours on Elden Ring. Elden Ring is literally Dark Souls 2 2 (unironically) from a mechanical standpoint. DS3 is the better game. Normies who only got introduced to souls through Elden Ring aren't to be taken seriously.

>>713861531
"Journal of an unknown man" or something. Theres like 20 or more entries, but you have to do certain side missions to get those interviews. Maybe search a wiki for all of them if you haven't gotten all the side stuff.

>>713840029
Literally hand crafted for BBC

>>713835824
People keep expecting a switcheroo from Kojimbo games now even though he only ever did it once, Big Medic doesn't count since for all intents and purposes he was supposed to he Big Boss but Kojima had it so that the real BB was off doing something else just to piss off the fanbase before he left Konami.

Okay but.. nobody ever explained to me why higgs is suddenly the joker

>>713825730
Should have been visiting the threads this past week, I'm just going to call you lazy.

So is Tomorrow an EE now?

>>713864715
it gets dark but not pitch black. if it doesn't look dark at all you have a problem with monitor/tv or settings

>>713867521
i started reading it but he's clearly a nutter by journal 5.