Thread 713865224

Gaming is now only 40% away from being saved

Sign the petition and spread the message, especially to non-english speaking Euros.

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

need at least 3 more big name drama to get it to 100%
it's over

>>713865224 (OP)
That was pretty fucking quick in only a couple of days, hopefully it continues momentum enough for it to pass

>>713865394
If not then just send death threats all around to make another drama

>>713865490
You sound like you glow

>>713865224 (OP)
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HECKIN SERVER BINARINOS????????

>>713865394
Yes, we were just under 500k at the start of the week. 100k in 4 days. European YouTubers need to wake up and keep the momentum going.

>>713865224 (OP)
The jews will drop the fucking moon onto earth before letting this pass.

>>713865224 (OP)
I'm calling it now: nothing's going to happen. This would probably go over better in a nation with more staunchly conservative views of private ownership.

>>713865318
RWS is based for being public supporters of this.
Their work keeping Postal playable is commendable.

>>713865742
America has it in law that EULAs are enforceable by law so it wouldn't even get heard here.

>>713865646
>European YouTubers
this is the gayest combination of words I have ever read

>>713865742
"You agreed to the company's terms before purchase" - a judge from a conservatively run retard country like America or some shit

>>713865807
How did that Disney+ EULA go down? That was fucking ridiculous.

>>713865910
Disney only backed down from it after the bad PR, not because it got thrown out in court.

>>713865550
There is literally no other way. Look how many signatures it got since everyone started shitting on piratesoftware. People only notice dramas and anger.

>>713865943
Yeesh. Kinda wish they went full retard mode and ignored the PR so we could really test how far this would go legally.

>>713865318
Look just sign the stupid initiative
I've got stuff to do

You guys keep talking about perserving games when you don't know anything about the complexity of the server infrastructure behind most modern online games and how much it costs to host them. What happens when the fans run out of money that server will die.

>>713865991
The only way to keep it going is to get either some very big Youtubers to cover it (Jacksepticeye is a likely good target) or target specific creators in the EU countries that could benefit it the most (Germany, Italy, Spain). As an Amerifat with no social media presence I can't do either.

>>713865646
there ain't such a thing as "european", though. you have to look at individual countries and the problem is most simply don't care.

>>713866065
That's up to the fans to figure out, but the potential for it will always be there. Ross even states as much if that's the way it's gotta be. Give the players the potential for it and let us figure it out. Fuck, some communities have figured it out WITHOUT official or legal backing.

>>713866065
>what happens when the fan passion project runs out of money!
probably some other fan passion project will start up to do it. happens all the time. just having the option is nice.

>>713866065
>what do you mean the client side is not enough to play my always online service

>>713865224 (OP)
4chan can't even archive their own shit let alone games. There have been so much porn lost to the archives when the 4chan archive got destroyed and all the webms and gifs got 404'd. Now if 4chan can't even archive shit from 10 years ago what makes you think games should be archived forever?

A few days ago I thought it was impossible, but here we are.

>>713866232
>i can't jerk off to hentai from a decade ago so you shouldn't be allowed to play a game from a decade ago

>>713865224 (OP)
>Global Rule 11. Advertising (all forms) is not welcome—this includes any type of referral linking, "offers", soliciting, begging, stream threads, etc.
>This post is advertising or begging
Mods I know you missed the other thread >>713844634 earlier but you have a chance to redeem yourselves here. OP tranny outright violated a global rule. Don't you want to do something about it?

>>713866306
unironically yes

>>713866349
This topic is inherently about video games and their long-term preservation. You were the first in this thread to mention ecelebs.

>>713866232
The whole idea is that that porn should have been archived, we should have had a way to keep it available.

>>713866306
So fucking based.

I've been following SKG for months before Accursed Farms even started their eceleb drama.
Its pathetic how /v/ is filled with eceleb following newfags

>>713865224 (OP)
Fucking shitalians and balkanoids ruining the run

>>713866349
/v/ should talk about vidya

>>713865881
shut up faggot mutt

>>713866427
Fuck you fashpig back to pol with you

>>713866427
Yeah about that
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713793645/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713791451/
>>713848630

>>713866841
Cope harder. Sign the petition or filter.
>>713866896
>first person in this thread
>posts other threads

>>713865224 (OP)
SKG is like some commie wonderland delusion. You people are not being realistic. You're literally like the commies screaming vague shit like "that we should share" in a idealict that would be great but we're not in an ideal world. You can't just make Diablo and WoW, and put them in single-player. And it would also It'll make games more expensive in a way that the big established publishers can bear, but indie studios can't.

>>713867094
>SKG is like some commie wonderland delusion.
Of course they are, they were spamming that fat pedo kike Stallman in a now deleted thread and demanding source code. Delusional eunuch fags.

>>713867094
This post sucks. Thought you should know.

>>713867094
What fucking indie games have large scale online interconnected elements so integral to the game that decoupling it would be an issue?

Almost none of them.

>You can't just make Diablo and WoW, and put them in single-player.
Nobody is asking that nor would this in initiative require that. And actually, yes, you kinda can, it just wouldn't be a easily completable game.

>SKG is like some commie wonderland delusion.
Is it communism when the books in my closest don't magically turn into ash when the publisher who printed them goes out of buinesses?

>>713867094
>You can't just make Diablo and WoW, and put them in single-player.
Diablo and WoW already have ways to play multiplayer without paying for the service
>It'll make games more expensive in a way that the big established publishers can bear, but indie studios can't.
In what way? How many indie studios are requiring you to connect to a central server to access their game in the first place?

>>713867214
>and demanding source code

There's nothing wrong with this, though this initiative wouldn't require that.

You wanna talk about communism and anti-free market shit, then whine about Intellectual Property laws and Copyright in general which are goverment enforced monopolies (and applying for Copyright and/or renewing it used to require registration, which SHOULD be how it still works where you'd have to send source code or development materials so it's archived for public use once the work passes into the Public Domain, since the literal US constitution says that the default state of works is in Public Domain and IP only exists as a temporary mechanism to foster innovation)

>>713866065
How have wow private servers run uninterrupted for the last 20 years dumbass.

>>713867402
Write your own code you delusional troonix faggot. You pay for the binary executable.

I was going to respond to a comment but I'll put this as a comment to refer back to:
Why do people not read nor understand what the initiative is about? The website has an FAQ, it has a mission statement, it has specific examples of what they would want based on previous games that have ended services but are entirely playable. Beyond the examples provided, there are countless other examples from games that existed back in the 90's and continue to exist and be played to this day with no problems or additional work by developers. Why are people so willing to jump into something with assumptions then get mad about those assumptions without seeing if those assumptions are true or false? Why is it that we have to answer the same FUCKING QUESTIONS over and over again instead of opening dialogue to those who know what the FUCK they are talking about and raise legitimate concerns and have a calm, rational dialogue about it?
Why did it take for dramaslop for people to even bother to look into this and get the information from primary sources? Why?

To all you people that jump in and make asinine comments, have you even looked at the website? Spurdo for visibility.

>>713867503
Ncattle like the boot on their necks.

>>713865224 (OP)
Does it stop games from having gambling mechanics and neomarxist, reality denying ideology?

>>713865224 (OP)
but i want games like the crew to die a horrible death.

>>713867748
No but the EU is already working on that

>>713867820
I'm more worried about other future games, especially as technology evolves.
I foresee publishers going full in on cloud and other garbage just to prevent us from ever owning the games we pay for.

>>713867502
No, fuck you, justify how Copyright isn't a goverment backed monopoly

If you want the state to legally prosecute people for having similar ideas they still produced with their own effort and time, then it's reasonable to require you provide the state with your development material so in exchange so when your copyright expires, it's not lost to time

>>713868038
yeah by funding subhumans who produce that degenerate shit with my money

>>713865742
it's fucking Italy and Greece pulling everyone down like always

>>713868150
Write your own code you talentless tranny.

>>713868142
Then dont play them, they're mostly shit anyway. Wtf is wrong with you

>>713868208
>Vote with you wallet
That's how we ended up here

>>713866094
you can see the thresholds per country, Germany already reached 200%+ of the required signatures, Spain and France are over 100% too. Italy and Greece are less than 50%. Them there are Eastern countries that should have never been part of the EU desu.

>>713868203
> justify how Copyright isn't a goverment backed monopoly

>>713868330
>I foresee publishers going full in on cloud and other garbage just to prevent us from ever owning the games we pay for.
>That's how we ended up here
Yeah the installation files are already server only, and this has been going on for over a decade now.

https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list
The initiative obviously only targets games that haven't been made yet but this is still interesting.

SO LONG JUDAS

>>713868203
Make your own code and don't claim Copyright and whine when people borrow your ideas or modify your shit make their own work, then, too

>>713868208
No you don't understand, kubernetes and other cloud technologies are so good now that it's unironically possible that the new Denuvo DRM technology will just be running game code server side; that shit scales really well and will only get cheaper as companies invest more into it.
I can easily see a world where every publisher-backed game uses that kind of technology; if they don't go full cloud streaming.

>>713868454
why is she angry

>>713868419
So what's the problem trying to stop that? Because you yourself don't play them?

>>713866065
Roach is getting really desperate to get rehired at blizzard.

>>713868456
Troonix is in the state it is because you're talentless trannies. You bunch of retards can't even into statically linked binaries. Neck yourself loser.

>>713868142
oh stop pretending you care about their shit. you know their games are made by people who hate you on personal level. if gaming are cloud only which is happening, i'll just stick to older games that passed me by and i know there are more than enough games to play before i bite the dust.

>>713868565
>What's flatpacks?

>>713865224 (OP)
>GUYS WE NEED TO SAVE GAMES SO I CAN PLAY.................A UBISLOP RACING GAME
some games really deserve to die

>>713868617
>dogshit that sits on top of your package manager
>still relies on core libraries
>some programs don't even work correctly
Retarded trannies that can't solve package management. dlls mog your worthless single version tranny life.

>>713868540
https://vocaroo.com/1aglKB2asVFk

>>713868646
>>713868595
nice try ubislop, you are not going to weasel your way out of your legal commitments to your customers
you WILL leave your online sloppa in a functional state on shutdown or God willing i will see you sued and bankrupt out of existence

>>713867503
Piratesoftware and his little army don’t care about reality and what it’s about. They know they’re wrong on every objective level by opposing it so they have to resort to strawmanning and putting words in others mouths while playing dumb about it.

I don't even know why gachaslop devs need to be forced to release an offline version after EoS. Literally free money.

>>713868783
https://vocaroo.com/1r6eVtzdzMrK

>>713866065
>fans
i couldn't care less what other people do
i want to host every game i ever bought ON MY OWN MACHINE if i choose to, whenever i want
i bought the thing and i am entitled to my purchase
if you are not ok with it then i WILL force you to write an explicit expiration date on the purchase button like live services are LEGALLY MANDATED to

>>713868754
Servers cost money, and when nobody gives them money, they cannot pay for servers.
Stop buying live service games and we won't have this problem.
Oh and please bankrupt ubislop, they havent made a single good game since the 90s.
Also where is the outrage for XDefiant? Oh that's right, nobody gave a shit because there wasn't an autistic YouTuber shilling nonsense to retard viewers

>>713868514
>So what's the problem trying to stop that?
Who tried to stop it? This has been a standard for more than 10 years now.

>>713868834
>gacha
not covered by the campaign
read the faq

It's utter bullshit that there are signature thresholds for each country
Finland alone would've sweeped that million signatures

It's like the parliament WANTS initiatives to fail

>>713868917
>more than 25 years now
ftfms

>>713866065
Anyone else notice how every corporate dick rider who says this exact thing never mentions even a single example of this apparently insurmountable complexity?

>>713866349
Being a faggot cunt who talks like this is a good way to get yourself banned by the jannies whose knob you want to slob.

>>713868981
It's only 7 countries that need the threshold, we are now on 10.
We just need raw numbers now.

>>713868917
>Who tried to stop it?
Do you even know what this thread is about?
>>713868914
>Also where is the outrage for XDefiant?
You asked the people who still want to play it?

>but what about
cool story bro
i'm still going to tell everyone to sign it because ubishit is MAD about this hing, and i want to damage them as much as possible

>>713865224 (OP)
It would be nice if europoors united and saved the future of video games but I ain't holding my breath.

>>713869037
A bit too late now. And the thread is about some zlist faggot ecelebrity, no?

>>713865807
isnt the whole point of a petition to change the law?

>>713869096
>And the thread is about some zlist faggot ecelebrity, no?
No

>>713868953
They are.

>>713869131
You sure about that, see >>0713869058 and >>0713868454

>>713866656
>>713868193
>>713868381
if you're from those country you learn earlier that voting doesn't matter

>>713869175
I'm sure about that.
Here's what it's about: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

Drama gets more clicks. The moistcritikal video followup specifically talking about pirate software's response already surpassed the one talking about the initiative

>>713866065
Just because you are bad at writing code doesn't mean that everyone is. It's at max a week of work for single actual developer to preserve big ass mmo. Private dedicated servers are old technology that is easy to set up if you aren't faggot after bootcamp.

>>713865224 (OP)
Gotta reach 69%.
Tired, I know, but any media and Youtubers that pop out to discuss the failure will have to put up with it in the comments at least.
Low hanging fruit, but I'll grab what I can get out of these fiascos.

>>713866232
Why didn't you back it up? you could. Gamers can't even back up the fucking game and servers if they wanted to. shut the fuck up

>>713867269
>Is it communism when the books in my closest don't magically turn into ash when the publisher who printed them goes out of buinesses?
Unironically yes. It hurts the economy. It'd be better for the economy if they had to be reprinted again, means more jobs for another company, means more production, means more GDP.

kill yourself commie scum

>>713867503
You know godamn well (((why))), and it's not (just) retardation

>>713869236
Looks like an eceleb thread to me >>713844634

>>713869362
stay mad Figtree

>>713869362
>Pic is not an e-celeb
>First link is directly to the initiative
>Second is to an explanation in video form
Seems like it's not about an e-celeb

>>713868914
>vote with your wallet
Did you forget that most people are retarded and the retards will always outvote you? Fucking retard

>>713869362
looks like an schizo to me.

>>713869349
>capitalism is when no private property

>>713867503
because they're fucking shills

>>713869431
>>Second is my favorite eceleb
Weird.

>>713869531
Who are you quoting?

>>713869574
(You)

>>713869602
Can you point out where I said that?

>>713869460
That's my fucking point, retard. People clearly want to play these games at the time, and the market dictates what games these publishers want to fund.
YOU might not want to play these games and you can cope and pretend you are above the "normies", but at the end of the day there are more of them than you.
I'm not saying it's right for a game to be unplayable, but at some point you just get what you deserve

>>713869514
It's actually crazy the amount of shills and corporate bots that exist on 4chan

>>713869634
When describing the second direct link.

>>713866065
Not my problem, you sold me a software ? Cool, then you have make it so I host it myself once you decide to end it

Why are Indians trying so hard to make devs waste time and money on making their shitty 2011 racing games work forever? Is it because they can't afford good PCs and are forever 15 years behind the rest of the world in PC specs?

>>713865224 (OP)
I keep telling you, I'm Australian. I can't sign this.

you guys are going to lose to a ferret furry

>>713869682
Okay
>>713869640
Thankfully you don't get to decide what games should and shouldn't die.

>>713866065
None of that matters
You don't have to be a pro chef to tell when something tastes like shit
You don't have to be a car mechanic to buy and drive a car
You don't have to be a pilot to partake in an airplane flight

Someone who buys a video game does not have to understand video game infrastructure in order to OWN AND PLAY THE GAME THAT THEY PAID MONEY FOR

It's called consumer protection for a fucking reason, consumers usually aren't the ones providing the products, they're the ones consuming the products. If you fuck consumers over because you know, oh so much and are too lazy to provide an end of a life plan for your product, you deserve to get fucked by the legal system for being such a greedy narcissistic cunt.

And you don't seem to understand anything about servers either. A server can merely be someone else's PC. It doesn't cost anything except electricity. No fan server is going to "run out of money". You are full of shit and retarded.

>>713869779
You are right I don't. But I'm also not going to kick, piss and scream about a fucking racing game being closed down.

>>713868716
Should've had a skit where his voice changer malfunctions and you hear his high-pitched degenerate furry voice

>>713868981
They are going to invalidate 40% of the votes if it even passes the million. In true communist fashion.

This initiative is too dangerous for the current status quo. If games are preserved, people will not want to buy new ones with the same or less content slapped on. Kinda like what smart phone market is doing with withdrawing its flagships to force sales of newest models.

>>713865224 (OP)
jokes on you
i want gaymes to die

Seriously though, when an MMO ends service why can't the devs just release the server binary so the players can host themselves? Why is this impossible?

>>713869839
Focusing every braincell on the crew just makes you seem like a retard, why not instead use use them to think about current games.

>>713869880
People will buy new games if they provide value, simple as that.
You shouldn't have to force people to buy new games because old ones get killed, and you shouldn't make such shitty games that people would rather play the old games.

>still no video from jacksepticeye
>still no video from Markiplier
>still no video from PewDiePie

They're all corporate sellouts.

>>713869710
>you sold me a software ? Cool, then ...
You were sold a license to a software. Not the software. It's clear that you dont even read the EULA. You will be getting nothing from this petition and it is absolutely pointless shitting up /v/ with this bullshit.

>>713869912
why would devs want their old games to compete with their new games?

we went from 45% to 60% in 4 days.

>>713869914
I'll just skip spending money on always-online live service games. No money stolen.
That is the winning move

>>713869953
I don't disagree with this morality because it is correct. It's just not in the interest of companies to allow you to have choice. We are in late stage capitalism and it's how it is.

>>713869992
I know why they don't want to, but it seems the biggest argument is that they physically or legally can't for some reason.

>>713869960
PewDiePie is going to be building his own server rack and developing his own video games soon.
Can't believe that hyperborean chad is into self-hosting with containers just like me

>>713869984
>It's clear that you dont even read the EULA.
Reading the EULA is why this initiative has any ground to stand on, they are fucking retarded and in no way acceptable.

>>713869984
if it were pointless you wouldn't be so scared about it mr. ubisoft employee
>EULA
not law in the EU btw, the faq goes over this, but you didn't read it because it ruins your FUD campaign

>>713869903
Then you shouldn't be talking about it in the first place.
You're an antithesis to what you preach.
By talking about it, you goad people on to oppose your position, especially out of spite.

>>713869984
You will kneel

>>713869992
what i want matters more than what devs want and i will force them to respect my digital ownership consumer rights at all costs
i WILL own what i buy.

>>713870014
Good, you don't lose money, and no one else should either

>>713869984
The whole point of this is to make so they can't pull that shit with their EULAs.

>>713870068
>EULAs are bullshit
ok retard. even the government accepts EULAs from private organizations when they buy softwares. You know why? Because such software are proprietary in nature and terms can only be negotiated to an extent. You are free to fuck off and not play games if their terms aren't acceptable to you.

>>713870226
Except in the EU.... EULAs are not legally binding.

>>713870226
This is for >>713870180 too. Morons.

>>713870226
>You are free to fuck off and not play games
Nah, I think I will play games and tell companies to fuck off if they want to tell me I can't because they decided to

>>713866065
That's the problem of the fans then. But they have the option, which is the key factor

YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY

>>713870226
We're not suing the game companies. How is it at all relevant how legally binding the EULAs are when this is a petition asking for more consumer rights? It doesn't matter what they say now now, the point is to change them for the future.

>>713870226
you sound american
american laws explicitly protects EULA
that is not the case according to EU law
i don't understand why people are struggling so much to get this point
according to EU law, unfair agreements unilaterally forced by a company on its customers that go against EU (or member state) law are null and void
if this campaign passes, the aim is throwing all EULA out of the window and have them rewritten from scratch

>>713870038
They'll never admit otherwise unless pressed in court on it, and even then they'd squirm for all they're worth over "relevance" on the why they don't over why they should.
I can't remember what it was, but there was some thing where someone called a customer service guy and after being pressed for 30 minutes he admitted something was a marketing term with no substance. Hence since it was meaningless it could not and therefore did not need to be guaranteed after purchase. The fact it had done its job might have been why he was even willing to fess up and be done with it.

But the point is it's easier for a misconstrued argument to convince customers to vote otherwise than answer anything and be made answerable. I suspect that's why there's an audible silence from any informed individual on the matter, anyone who doesn't want to be blacklisted anyway. Just to add: when all this is done, no matter how it goes, don't expect an answer even then. Just not how it goes with this kind of "business", marks stay kept in the dark or things get difficult.

>>713870424
I guess publishers will stop selling their games in EU then.

>>713869984
>still, to this very day, thinks that somehow, inexplicably, to all examples proving the opposite, EULAs override law
Some people are just unable to learn.

>>713870507
Yeah, tell publishers to start making less money, they'll be happy to hear that

>>713870507
when australia forced companies to allow refunds nobody abandoned the australian market, and refunds became available worldwide
the australian market is minuscule compared to the eu market

>>713870558
I guess it's better than being sued by Mohammed

>>713870507
Yes. Not being allowed to pull a Concord means nobody will make video games for the EU ever again. Possibly the entire industry will shut down.

>>713870262
You have no idea about public procurement. Go ahead see how your government tenders and procurement work for software. They accept 90% of the clauses in the software provider's user agreement regardless in the contract.

>>713870424
>unfair agreements unilaterally forced by a company on its customers
Brother, no one is forcing you to purchase these games. It is only unfair if the service provider is holding a monopoly and doesn't have any competitors.

>>713870609
>Take one hit (probably won't)
>By giving up a stream of cash
This is a special kind of stupid to think losing an entire continent of money is just another day

>>713870651
concord refunded everyone so they would avoid being covered by this campaign ironically

>>713870651
>Possibly the entire industry will shut down.
With the quality of games these days, one can only hope

>>713870651
>Possibly the entire industry will shut down.
Good.

>>713870674
>user agreement
not legally binding in europe
it is as simple as that
you are trying to weasel your way out of it and yet the answer is always the same

>>713866065
It took EA one Angry Joe video to remove always online DRM from SimCity. It took Ubishit one death threat in the DMs to remove always online DRM from Assassins' Creed 2. It took Microsoft one dislike bomb on Xbone reveal video to remove Kinect requirement.

The only reason they're getting away with it now is because balding millennials are tired and subhuman zoomers are tech illiterate.

>one million
wow that's like... 0.01% of the global population!

>>713870782
>Pissed Jose

>>713869984
>You were sold a license to a software.
It's simple: We uhh... Nuke america...

>>713870812
So?

>>713870812
Then it should be real easy to get the rest of the signatures

>>713870226
>T-THE EULA CLEARLY SAYS SO!
> YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY, TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS IS POINTLESS!

>>713870782
I'm not balding.

>the milk I bought is starting to turn green
>the date on the bottle is bullshit
aaaaaaiiiiiiiyyyyyeeeeee save me nigger man!

>>713870782
They've also successfully gaslight the zoomers into thinking that criticism of big corporations is hate speech meant to harass and endanger their staff.

>>713870507
>just lose the second biggest market like it’s no biggy
I’m talking to a bot, right?

>>713869349
So it's communism when people own property, and capitalism when you're not allowed to own things and your property is destroyed against your will?

>>713871079
>the date on the bottle is bullshit
That's the thing dogfuck, it doesn't have the date. They don't want to add EOS date because they're slimebags and they know this would negatively affect the sale, so they hide the fact that this is an inevitability. This petition would make them fess up.

>>713871079
see
>>713867269
>Is it communism when the books in my closest don't magically turn into ash when the publisher who printed them goes out of buinesses?

>>713870753
>not legally binding
You keep parroting the same thing. Look up framework agreements. you would be surprised.

>>713871079
There's no date on the bottle

>>713871157
No. It's capitalism when someone richer than you takes your property and destroys it against your will and it's communism when you try to stop them even though you have less money.

>>713869984
Let me rephrase this for Americans EULA apologists:
>it says in the fine print on page 241 of the Walmart user agreement that my trusted bucks can plow your bussy until death ensues
>can't agree to those terms chud? no groceries for you, you aren't forced to buy here

>>713871130
I was being hyperbolic. The alternative is that the EU cucks out and just caves into recognizing the EULA as law

>>713865224 (OP)
>Blatant advertisement thread
>It's still up
Mods really are useless

>>713866065
if i bought anything other than a game or software, that anything must work the way its intended to do until i fuck up and break it or it wears down from use.
having a game arbitrarily stopped working because the company decided it was no longer profitable should not be my problem.

Will SKG kill gahca games?

>>713870507
EU is the richest market in the fucking world lol. The only reason it doesn't always show that is because countries are represented individually on most purchasing graphs, instead of as a continent/union.

When the EU started demanding phones have replaceable batteries again, Apple bucked and instead of making EU exclusive versions they simply accepted that all their phones will now have to come with replaceable batteries. This goes for every phone sold internationally.

The reason why you got refunds in Steam is because Euros and Australians complained. Leave it to non-mutts to call out corporate kikes and force them to change their scam practices. Leave it to mutts to seethe about it and defend corporations.

>>713871215
https://www.eumonitor.eu/9353000/1/j4nvk6yhcbpeywk_j9vvik7m1c3gyxp/vitgbghrpltm#:~:text=Directive%2093%2F13%2FEEC%20protects,in%20mutual%20rights%20and%20obligations.

the objective of the campaign is creating new law that completely supersedes the EULA anyways
again, EULA cannot contradict EU and state law, and when it does it's null and void

to summarise: EULA are not legally binding, and even IF they were, the idea is that we are going to create a law that ecplicitly protects digital ownership consumer rights from them

>>713865224 (OP)
would signing this lead to me getting blacklisted by some nigger publisher

>>713871523
>Leave it to mutts to seethe about it and defend corporations.
I'm not defending them, actually the opposite. Companies like Ubishit, EA, Blizzard, etc should just shut down for good. They should just stop making live service games.

>>713866841
/v/ isn't like this because of /pol/
/pol/ is like that because of /v/

>>713871320
Unironically yes. Just go to traders joe at that point.

>>713871506
I fucking hope so. It's barely even video games.

>>713871157
capitalism and communism are the same thing. communism is just capitalism but it's illegal to not pay for something.

>>713871607
i doubt it because having a publisher going
>these 1m europeans that signed the initiative? they are getting banned from our services and lose access to their games if they had them
would start a massive fucking lawsuit the likes of gaming hasnt seen ever before

>>713869238
thanks charlie

>>713871506
>Will SKG
Realistically, it's probably not going to go anywhere.

>>713866065
Should have thought of that before making an online game lol

>>713869238
Ironically if Thor never sperged out it probably would have just fizzled out with hardly any attention.

>>713871506
Gacha games are already releasing offline versions when the end service. They will not be impacted at all.

>>713871873
>We can run these servers because we predict that millions of players will buy and enjoy our games!
>Actually the game sucks because it's a multiplayer online live service............. racing game

>>713871506
realistically, no.
a company will still be able to make gatcha games like usual, just that at the end of the line, if they want to shut down their servers, they will need to make preparations to make the game "accessible without server access"
like, genshin impact for example. about 90% of that game's content can be played as a single player. they would need to have a "download all of your player data (characters, weapons, world progression)" option and a "server is shut down but you can play offline with your player data, continue?" option.

>>713871932
Final Fantasy Record Keeper could be a solid offline game but the nips are keeping it alive so it wont die any time soon

>>713871932
>Chink/gook/jap gacha has more respect for the playerbase than multi-billion western developers
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

>>713871830
I want to be hopeful but your probably right, the charlie video gave us about 75k the first day, then 50k the next two days, then only 30k yesterday. so far today we only have about 6k and we had about 8/9k at this time yesterday. The drop off is noticible even on the graph. I want to be hopeful, since we only need about 12k a day to pass, but i was kinda hoping we would get more momentum rn so the daily requirement wouldnt be so high. Theres also the potentual for faked votes which means we might actually need more. Im hopeful af but its going to rely on non english speaking youtubers and the damn italians getting off their asses.

>Post video saying the petition is failing
>Say Thor's somewhat responsible, presumably due to differing presence on YouTube since Thor had the algorithm in a chokehold at the time
>Somehow bait Thor into making a gigantic post, where he somehow falls for ragebait despite directly saying and acknowledging that the entire discussion devolves into ragebait
>Petition immediately resurges just to fuck with Thor
Maybe I shouldn't have half-assedly apologized for that tweet, Thor really should learn to shut the fuck up sometimes.

Stop killing games fanboys are some of the most retarded people I've seen. Case in point: this thread

holy shit the signatures are flooding in, 1k per 5 min

>>713872202
>9am on a weekend
>6k already
Woot.

>>713872095
He should have torn into him at the beginning of the year, but yeah props to him for only pushing it as a real movement and not making clickbait around the clock

>>713871998
It also pretty much counters the argument that live service games are impossible to disconnect from the live service. These are games which had their entire experience and resource economy geared towards the live service events and the microtransaction cash shop. The player rate of progression was built with this at the front. Yet all of that is easily remedied with a simple patch, and nobody even told the devs they had to patch it when they ended service. Those lootbox systems in the hero shooters are definitely not vital enough that the game can't even function without the main corpo server.

>>713865318
Are you gonna sign the damn initiative, or will it be your surviving family members?

>>713872095
>>713872274
It would be slightly demoralizing to realize that people only respond to petty drama, but I guess it would also be relief it got a second wind.

Disparaging lawmakers and the lawmaking process just isn't okay. How anyone can support this is unconscionable. How dare someone say that politicians don't understand video games. They don't understand the internet at all, so how dare you say they don't care about video games.
You are a sick and disguising person for making fun of the law making process and that alone proves you should not be reasoned with. Go fuck yourself.

>>713872365
Out of all the points to get butthurt about, I wonder why that was the triggering point...

>>713872398
It was the only thing he could come up with

>>713872398
he just picked some random shit to retroactively concern troll over

>>713872398
It was a call to action. He's trying to project the idea that SKG is an aggressive Gamer Gate analog hate campaign; so that the tumbler and twitter zoomers band together to protect their game dev friends from the evil fascist gamer bullies.

>>713865224 (OP)
/v/ is pushing me to be against this with the constant shilling.
I'm sorry but you only have yourself to blame for this.
Hope it was worth it, bud.

>>713866065
fine. jewcorpos are free to stop making games in such retarded way asap

>I love the EU regulating everything
>why can't I download this game in the EU????????

>>713872202
Where are you getting that from? It has had about 700 signatures an hour since reaching 600,000.

>>713872520
You don't live in the E(You)

>>713872562
How quickly did websites backtrack on this? It was pretty fast from what I remember.

>>713872365
>doesn't know what stop killing games is about
>doesn't even understand how laws are created
Is this dude the biggest retard on the internet at the moment?

you really expect me to redesign the whole car at the last minute to fit seat belts? you clearly don't understand the intricacies involved in manufacturing

>>713872597
yes

>>713867094
I can see through you Jason

>>713872562
What game?

>Ross has a bachelors degree in something law related
Huh, neat.

>>713872594
there's still lots of US sites who just block out the EU instead of dealing with the legal bullshit that is GDPR.

>>713867094
diablo 2 was singleplayer bud

>>713872597
He called the movement ragebaiting while in the same breath making a multiple-paragraph long post falling for the one single ragebait that mattered in the entire movement.

tl;dr: Yes.

>>713872685
Which ones? All of the major ones I know would be EU accessible since they give that cookies popup.

>>713872567
It was revealed to me in a dream
I just had a tab open at 601k and refreshed it a bit later and it was +1k, now its slower but were still almost 1k+ at 603

>>713872663
yeah but he didn't mop floors at blizzard so he's a disingenuous used car salesman

>>713872597
He was a GM for WoW. He's literally a corporate shill who's against this on the principal that everything about SKG (private servers) is amongst the sort of content he was trained to moderate against. He was pumped full of propaganda telling him it's bad and illegal, and he's almost certainly banned people for talking about private servers in WoW.

>>713865224 (OP)
It's doomed. Most EUtards don't even know English. How can you expect the videos of English speaking youtubers to turn the tide and rouse the yuro rabble? It's just casting pearls before swine at this point.

Ross should open an only fans and release spicier content at different petition goals

>>713872802
>Every picture is an insane rambling theory he has about a game
>The image that hides further content just says "... more on that later".

>>713872597
no, his actions are calculated and deliberate.
he's simply not acting with your best interests in mind
he earns more money streaming wow than he does selling his piece of shit game
he's a literal blizzard shill

>>713872784
WHY ISN'T EVERYONE GLOBALIST CATTLE ITS NOT FAIR!!!!! EVERYONE SHOULD BE SPEAKING ENGLANDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

bros... I think we should just give up and roll over right at the initiative's biggest push... we'll never make it...

>>713872802
shirtless stream when

>>713870000
It's falling off heavily though and it will continue to fall. In a week, it will be back to less than 5k a day which is not enough.

>Wants to inspire people to make games
>Hates practices that allow for modding, which is one of the best ways to start understanding how games work
What a retard lmao.

>>713872836
>Ahhhh, now it makes sense

>>713872845
EUKeks not knowing English is actively affecting the future of bideogames.

>>713866349
fuck you islamic sand nigger I talk about whatever I want

>>713872597
Someone on his twitter post asked why players couldn't just host private servers, and his answer was:
>Because it's illegal >:(
So, yes.

>>713872562
>companies pull out of Europe
>now the rest of the world has to pay $150 to compensate
I'm sure this will happen.

>>713872663
Bachelor's doesn't get you far in law. It's mostly general principles of the country's law system, history of law and overview of different systems, a bunch of adjacent topics relevant to law in that country and very surface level of specialized law domains. It doesn't go into the nitty-gritty.

>>713872876
he doesn't want to inspire shit. he's just selling wish fulfillment while posturing as god's gift to gamedev

>>713872958
Of course, but I didn't expect Ross to even have that.
I just thought he was a moldman that worked odd jobs in between his machinamas.

>>713872663
And Thor has three(!) big Black Defcon badges.
I know who I will trust.

>>713866349
It's a link to something pertaining to videogames, in a thread talking about videogames, on a board about videos. The e-celebs you piss and moan so much about almost entirely talk about video games and news about said video games. Your points are moot.

Also you're a faggot.

>>713872741
>https://www.chicagotribune.com/
a lot of local newspapers.
(most EU businesses don't bother with GDPR either and just hope the government leaves them alone)

>>713872876
He doesn't want to inspire people to make games. He wants to inspire nodevs to look up to and respect people who are trying to make games (him). He hasn't put out a game yet. All the talk is for bolstering himself, to show how brave and creative his endeavor is.

>>713871932
Which gacha games?

>>713872597
pretty much

>>713873084
Senran Kagura New Link which just ended service recently is an example. Also Destiny Child.

>>713873072
He *has* put out games, but they're low-grade shovelware that most people haven't even touched. And one of them has a save system so asinine that you'd think he invented it in a fever dream after a drug trip.

>>713872597
Hey Chronos, we have file a legal complaint against this poster on 4chan. You cannot say this kind of thing. This is illegal

>>713872997
Did they come encased in colored all natural silicon and wrapped in purple paper?

>>713873125
Considering that his "big game" that he worked on for 9 years at this point had steam achievements as the anti-piracy feature, I wouldn't be surprised.

>>713865224 (OP)
meme magic at it again?

imagine the petition going virtually nowhere all this time only for this cuckfaggot pirategaming to get dabbed on by Ross and the resulting videos making the petition hit a million signatures. Screencap this, if the petition hits a million this cuckfaggot will go back on his words and say something along the lines of "I was always pro-preservation you just did not understand my point"

And that will be a reminder to block any channel the youtube algorithm shills at you from now on

>>713873067
Odd, I don't have a problem accessing it.

>>713873192
I hope this is the case. Realistic? Possibly not, but it would be the funniest shit ever that spite is proven to be the best motivator.

>>713873192
I'm almost expecting him to take credit for it if it passes. He'll claim he was just "playing the villain" so it could get enough attention to pass.

Imagine if the initiative actually reaches 1 million signatures, the EU makes a new law and companies comply. How would all the contrariantrannies who are screaming communism react?

>>713873278
And only his core fanbase would believe it, while every sloptuber that has made a video on him would have another source of revenue to farm.

>>713872685
thats pretty childish. especially when everybody hopped on the much more annoying cookie prompts right away. only thing you really need to do on surface is to update their eulas and toses with bunch gdpr legalese, and maybe add delete account button somewhere if its their thing

>>713865224 (OP)
How the fuck did Ross have such reach? He just made a video about some retard youtuber as a final fuck you and everyone on the site ganged up against the retard.

I'm working on starting a Twitter hashtag compaign for skg. I'm going to design some posters so we can all span the shit out of it at the same time. We need to get twittertards on our side to get it past the million mark

>>713873067
>mfw i can't read wallstreetslop

>>713873302
Why should governments have a say in the affairs of private companies? that's literally the most commie thing to exist.

>>713872338
dumbest timeline

>>713873302
>How would all the contrariantrannies who are screaming communism react?
They would move on to the next topic to be misinformed and mad about.
What will that topic be? Fucked if I know these guys come up with the wildest schizophrenic delusions

>>713872398
hes a liar. what do you think politicians do all day?

>>713873340
I think most of the sloptubers already cared about it but didn't feel the need to make a video, only for it to resurface again after pirate destroyed his reputation, making it easier to have an "in" to talk about it to the drama slop enjoyers.

>>713873369
I don't see you tearing down the FCC.

>>713873262
>>713873278
He would definitely try to milk this as a victory of his own. I would be surprised if he took down videos where he clearly speaks against it.
I've never been a big fan or Ross and have plenty to say about him but you gotta admit at least hes a noble retard when he speaks about video games as video games have basically been his entire life.

>>713873340
I think muta made a vid which led to critikal making a vid which led to asmongold making a vid which led to... You get the idea

>>713873369
>governments have a say in the affairs of private companies
this has always been a thing. Was it communism when EU forced apple to use usb-c?

>>713873340
it took people ages to realize maldavius is a fraud

>>713873369
>doesn't say anything about all the current cases of governments having a say in the affairs of private companies
>piss and shit himself at the thought of one more of them when it's about not getting assfucked by videogame companies

>>713873458
>wouldn't* be surprised if he took down videos where he clearly speaks against it.

>>713873458
It's just sad that someone who clearly isn't great at social skills was the only one to step up and put pen to paper to try and do anything about this. Sometimes autism is needed to break through the "it is what it is" apathetic attitude.

>>713873278
holy megamind batman twist indeed

>>713873369
because they paid off the governments to use military force to confiscate everyones silver and gold and then use force of arms to make us accept and use monopoly money.

>>713873117
Can you play them still or is there a catch?

>>713865224 (OP)
DEATH to all "ALWAYS ONLINE" games!

>>713873369
True just let the great crisis of the 29 happen again I guess lole

Private is important but needs to be regulated when it becomes fucking retarded. If you want the commie just look at China, where economic freedom kinda exists but then you also have to slurp the CCP's boots. Communism doesn't exist anymore except in dictatorship poor shitholes because everyone but those retards realized it's shit

>>713873545
Yes. That's what offline version means. You can play the game offline now indefinitely without needing to connect to the account servers.

>>713873340
jason got karma'd

>>713873524
he already deleted vods, then lied and said it was twitch and not him who deleted them, despite him explicitly saying he deleted them in his discord

I bet some of you fags would've been against Teddy's anti-trust laws.

>The biggest youtuber in the world is a swede gamer
>He starts getting really interested into stuff like using linux and using google alternatives recently
>He does not even give a single mention about this
What the fuck is this goddamn swede's problem?

>>713873663
True, true.

>>713873335
pretty sure you have to document all of it, have an internal process, have an employee who's responsible for it, etc.
It's lots of useless effort to actually be compliant to GDPR even if you don't do anything nefarious with data and just have your customer's addresses in your archive.

>>713873623
>Private is important but needs to be regulated when it becomes fucking retarded.
Local tripfag so retarded he's mad at the same thing he's argueing in favour of. More news at 11

>>713873690
What's his name?

i'm 90% sure the people saying communism are just (You) farming. wouldn't even be surprised if it was OP ximself fishing for bumps

>>713873706
>doesn't know what a tripfag even is
Embarrassing

>>713873691
press S to spit

>>713873719
felix

>>713873706
>local tripfag
newnigger-kun...

>>713873719
Sam Hyde.

>>713873812
>JASON HALL
>I'M COMING TO KILL YOU

>>713873719
Pewdiepie

>>713865742
EU has some of the most conservative laws in regards to private ownership and customer purchase protection. US would not even try to push something like this through, a megacorp like Microsoft would immediately lobby to have this dropped and that would be it.

>>713865881
I agree, we need a EuroTube. Someone should get on that.

>Germany overtakes Poland in threshold %
Uh oh.

Is this Kiwifarms latest parasitic grift?

>>713873690
>swede
There's your answer.

>>713873369
Stop using everything in your household right fucking now cause guess what, it’s all regulated by the government since corpos tried to screw everyone over in the past before said regulations existed.

>>713873526
Agreed. People are generally afraid to do anything and truly believe that nothing good will come out of trying anyways.

I've been trying to make my coworkers speak when I call out bullshit at work and no one ever sides with me and then a week, maybe a month later they approach me and tell me I'm right and how everyone is disappointed with management and how they're planning to find another job and leave but then they're afraid to do so and just keep complaining in secret. It's been almost 2 years and now I'm giving interviews to leave myself and I'm sure they'll stay there and keep complaining.
>>713873663
>>713873691
KEK I'm really glad that people that came out of nowhere due to algorithm manipulation turned out to be toxic sociopaths and at the same time I'm sad that zoomers are so gullible and eat that shit up because they happened to come across him on YT shorts

>>713873908
What's funny is that swedes are 2nd in threshold % and have a respectable 30,000 sigs.

>>713873706
>tripfag

>>713873764
>>713873798
IM SORRY IM SORRY I JUST WA NTED TO BE AT THE COOL KIDS TABLE FOR ONCE

>>713866065
It's not that complex. NEXT.

I didn't expect so many potatoniggers to sign.

>>713872063
Maldavius Figtree wont be able to resist shooting himself in the foot giving big creators more chances to shit on him

>>713869984
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A01993L0013-20220528

No.

Will you admit you dont care about saving games and just want to fuck over that gay furfag youtuber?

>>713873192
Don't call it before it happens. Remember the petition reached 400k in the first month before it died completely. I'm not going to feel optimistic until the ticker passes 900k sigs.

>>713865910
>>713865943
The Disney+ EULA was the subject of a lot misinformation and lies

>>713873369
>a regulated economy is communism
You laissez faire neofeudalists are a retarded bunch.

>>713874080
Why not both? I'm just a shitposter from down under who loves vidya and hates furfags.

>>713869984
and then everyone pointed at anon and said "haha look it's thor guys" and he got a million (You)s and we all laughed. okay there's your bedtime story go the fuck to sleep anon

>THEY NEED TO RELEASE SOURCE CODE
Not in the initiative, not a talking point, only said by PirateSoftware. Developers will not need to give out source code. They will need to create an end of life policy that keeps that game functional.
>THIS IS A PETITION. SLACKTIVISM!
This is a EU Citizens Initiative that, by law, once a million signatures are reached will have new law drafted in response to it. This is not a suggestion box or a beg. It is either you get nothing or you get a law.
>JUST READ THE EULA, IDIOT!
EULAs are purposefully used to hurt consumers and benefit the bottom line of a corporation. Only in the USA are they legally enforcable and this is because the American government worships Coca-Cola and Apple more than its citizens.
>MMOS WILL DIE
They will not. Game companies will create solutions that will keep them running (privately hosted servers, LAN connections, peer to peer, selling servers to another company, etc.)
>NEED DADDY GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU? COMMIE.
Ad hominem. Corporations are unwilling to be consumer friendly because hurting consumers makes them money. Government regulation is the only way to prevent Jews from continuing this.
>JUST DON'T BUY IT!
If everyone on /v/ stopped buying games that were online or relied on servers, companies wouldn't stop doing it because normies outweigh us 10:1. Why would you want a normie deciding what is good for your games?
>JUST PLAY OLD GAMES!
Doesn't solve the problem. Eventually all new games, bad or good, will be screwed like this. Playing a game from 20 years ago doesn't solve the epidemic happening now or in the future.
>JUST LET THE INDUSTRY DIE
Normies prop it up. It will continue and not crash even with these current practices. Sorry to ruin your LARPer wet dream.
>DEVELOPERS DECIDE THIS
Developers aren't the ones deciding to shut down the game they worked for years on because it makes $100,000 a month instead of $300,000. That's what bean counters do.

All arguments against this are made by Indians.

>>713873625
How is the gacha stuff handled tho?

>>713873691
So it had nothing to do with YouTube automatically pruning long VODs or whatever excuse he gave... What a liar, lmao.

>>713874168
Probably the same way it was handled before just without events and stuff. I dunno, I don't play gacha.

>>713874204
That excuse was such bullshit, I can find 24 hour livestream vods instantly.

>>713873369
you are the biggest retard in this entire thread anon
congratulations on such a difficult achievement.
bravo!!!

>>713874073
Bless you for your Directive posts, robocop anon

don't care; won't play

>>713874132
>reached will have new law drafted in response to it
No they will just be forced to take a look at it

>>713873690
hes in japan, a father, and retired, only uploading whatever is interesting to him on the spot. dunno if anyone has even mentioned this thing to him atm, but its quite likely he isnt even aware of this.

>>713874330
Literally irrelevant.

>>713874132
>They will need to create an end of life policy that keeps that game functional.
They're not forced to do that, they can just stick a big fat visible label saying "by purchasing this game you acknowledge it will become unplayable past the date of".
>will have new law drafted in response to it.
Almost but not quite. All the signature goal does is force the European Commission to take an actual look at it, it is not forced to put it into law.

do care; will play

>Saw it click over to 7,000 for today at about 5:40 my time
>15 mins later, it's up to nearly 7,500
Fuckin' oath cunts.

>>713874224
I mean, do they just give you a billion of paid currency, or how else do you get all the gacha-exclusive stuff with no ability pay?

>>713874429
They can either provide a clientside hosting feature at the end of life that will enable you to unlock it all for yourself, or provide documentation that will enable you to engineer and compile your own software that can ensure you can host your own sloppa on your computer.

>>713866065
I don't care, I just hate MMOs, WoW, AAA devs, anyone who makes live service shit, and publishers; and I want to make their lives harder.

If I could give them all that skin calcification disease to make their lives LITERALLY harder, I would.

>>713874485
Yeah but I'm wondering how the existing games did it.

>>713873545
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.linegames.dcglobal&hl=en_US

>>713874082
I'll try shilling it to normalfags I know for now

>>713874305
The law is good when it is just.

>>713874524
>Upon termination, this app was updated to a "Memorial version," which allows the players to still view the character illustrations and more.
>This Memorial version requires a verification code that had been issued before the termination of service and is based on the player's previous game data.
Neat.

>>713868981
Only 7 countries need the threshhold. Now the initiative needs just a ton of votes, even if we get only votes from the same country as long as we pass the million votes all will be good.

>>713874524
>This app was updated to a "Memorial version," which allows the players to still view the character illustrations and more.

Is it still actually playable or just a jpg viewer?

>>713874360
>he isnt even aware of this
Can someone make him aware of this?

>>713865224 (OP)
Done. It destroyed a part of my soul when they closed down my favorite game nearly 10 years ago.

>>713874583
Anon its a gacha
Its a JPG viewer either way

>>713874204
>>713874243
>"I'm an ex-blizzard developer"
(his dad brought him in as a QA)
>"I hacked a powerplant"
(he was part of a 10+ member of a team at DEFCON, largely doing nothing)
>"I'm a successful gamedev"
(finished games: 0, his developing game which started around 2016 -which was kickstarted- is still nowhere near done because he isn't actually working on it, he made a minor change on it recently because it was about to be hit by an abandonment tag by Steam Early Access)
>"I'm exceptionally smart"
(obviously using guides in puzzle games then acting like he figured it all out by himself)
>"I'm the best in [game]"
(deserts his team in WoW at the first sign of troube, deserts his guild in Ashes of Creation at the first sign of competent rivals, deserts duels in Ashes when faced with a competent opponent)
>Misinterprets (or maliciously misrepresents) the initiative
>Narcissistic, literally can't admit fault
>Doubles, triples and quadruples down whenever he is exposed

Seems like after yesterday drop to 33k we likely heading towards 40k signatures again.

>>713874627
the only way to make him aware of this is if anyone got the message to him through his friends in japan, like pestering the trash taste podcast with superchats so that theanimeman mentions it to him.
but i feel that would have the opposite effect.

>>713874729
everything about that furfag cuck is fake

even "his" voice

>>713874729
>his dad brought him in as a QA
And? Explain why you use this as a negative

>>713874743
Looks like the initiative is making waves

>>713874729
>(obviously using guides in puzzle games then acting like he figured it all out by himself)
Doing it with games that it took entire communities WEEKS to figure out is such retardation.

>>713874073
https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/eprocurement/discussion/framework-agreements-software-and-cloud-services
As I said, none of you people know how public procurement works. Sometimes government organizations have to bend over to get a software from someone that they can't acquire elsewhere.

>>713874829
Well, first of all, being QA does not make you a developer like he claims retard.

>>713865224 (OP)
Why does it take an arbitrary 1M to take action?
Can't they see that 600 THOUSAND citizens demand a change and make a decision from there?

>>713874942
Any proof they are citizens?

A reminder to any would be developer: Innovation for the sake of it isn't innovation. If the solution you make creates a problem already solved years ago, go back to the drawing board and try again.

I want you fuckers to fail just to spite you sons of bitches

>>713874942
Governments are lazy and want to avoid dealing with issues as long as they are able to.
If they weren't - this initiative wouldnt be needed in the first place.

>>713874942
in a just world, yes. unfortunately, we live in a JUST world

>>713874871
This is a framework agreement, not a legally binding constituent of law. Should the European Court be petitioned to examine one of those framework agreements and find it to be unfair, you know exactly what is going to happen to it.

>>713874942
They would get overwhelmed by bullshit.

>>713874963
You need ID. for your signature to count.

>>713866349
>shilling
>petition
Holy brainlet
The word you're looking for is solicitation

Awards time!
Most individual signatures: Germany. Not only do the trains run on time, but so do their love of games.
Highest per capita: Finland. Benis :DDDDD
Trying their best: Estonia with the second highest per capita.

We should all start shilling the EU petition everywhere we gave connections. Even on FB and LinkedIn in order to reach any normalfags we have even a remote chance of getting them to at least read the damn thing if not sign it.

>>713874729
>abandonment tag by Steam Early Access
Are there any games with this as an example? Curious to see how it looks

>>713869880
Anyone have that Peri comic supporting SKG? I need it to spam my friends.

FYI they need a lot more than 1 million signatures because they get validated afterwards and a lot of people always sign it with false credentials. 1,200,000 is usually the minimum for it to pass validation.

>>713874729
>finished games: 0
You forgot to mention that it's an undertale clone made in gamemaker. A long dev time can be reasonable if the project is pushing some sort of boundary, this isn't the case here. He's been at it for nearly a decade and according to howlongtobeat.com all he has is between 2 to 4 hours of content.

>>713867094
>You can't just make Diablo and WoW, and put them in single-player.
yeah you can

>>713868914
Too bad, so sad.
Keep those server binaries up for grabs, or the money to support the servers of the victims of your shitty behaviour will be coming out of your soul.

Only 395 600 signatures needed!

>>713874829
He larps as if he coded WoW, he was a QA tester

>>713875324
it'll taper off in a week and won't even come close to 75%

>>713870507
That's the value of the EU, anon. If it were one country, that might've been the case.
But it's 27.
Every company they fought against capitulated.

Nordic countries really stepped up

>>713875150
>>abandonment tag by Steam Early Access
>Are there any games with this as an example? Curious to see how it looks
battlebit

>>713875395
Not only that but he's been also "working" on a pixelslop Undertale wannabe for 7 years (it more or less looks like a school project) and his cultists enable him to make a living by spreading lies and pretending to be a developer on stream

This stupid ass petition will make games more expensive because devs will have to take provide server hosting indefinitely.
DONT SIGN THIS

>>713874897
You move up the corporate ladder, you start at QA and then move up.

>>713875556
>t.piratesoftware

>>713875545
He realised years ago he makes way more money by streaming rather than begging for money to develop games but he's a piece of shit for acting like his undertale clone isn't abandonware and will be finished

>>713870507
lol

>>713875560
He never moved up though.

>>713871330
>EULA gets constantly overruled by EU law
> somehow it’ll be different this time
Bot it is and an especially stupid one at that.

>>713875150
https://store.steampowered.com/app/268670/The_Memory_of_Eldurim/
>https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/?refinementList[tags][0]=Early%20Access&refinementList[releaseYear][0]=2014

>>713875556
this

>>713875626
I think he did get into some community based team about banning people but it's not clear based on how he exaggerates everything

>>713875194
>FYI they need a lot more than 1 million signatures because they get validated afterwards and a lot of people always sign it with false credentials. 1,200,000 is usually the minimum for it to pass validation.
errr no
another idiot that thinks this shit isn't automated

>400k left
Yeah it's not happening, bud.

>>713875556
no devs will make community servers instead

>>713875005
>shady mcgrady LLC is the only company in the world that offers a software that could simulate the thermodynamics of a turbine engine when under -100 degree C accurately.
>court finds their framework agreement sketchy and denies the air force research wing from purchasing it
This hasn't happened and wouldn't happen.

>>713875556
>This stupid ass petition will make games more expensive because devs will have to take provide server hosting indefinitely.
this 100

>>713875556
Incorrect.

>>713875687
whats this screencap supposed to tell me
it sure as fuck does not tell me about the vote filtering being automated

>>713869984
You said "Sold" instead of "Rented" which means it's Illegal terminology and you must now pay a fine for deceptive practice.
Sorry, anon.

Thor is right.
Thor won.

>>713875919
...The special olympics medal

>>713875891
That's not how licenses work, retard. You don't rent a license. Your license is null and void after the subscription period and can't be reused by another person.

>>713875720
Competition between military contractors is incredibly fierce, in such a situation there would be five more companies with their own software solutions standing in line to offer the government a better deal.

>>713865224 (OP)
Retarded, tranny petition made by a moron who can't even define what a "functionally playable state" is.

>>713866065
>MUH SERVERS
shut the fuck up you dumb cunt
I'm still playing abandonware shooter from 2010s

>>713875981
No stated end of life, either.
Woops, that's another Billion Euros

>>713875990
You can literally look up tenders active for ONE specific software from ONE private company in the EU funding and tenders website right now.

>>713875981
That only applies to subscription services such as adobe renewable services or mmmo game subscriptions such as World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy 14. Non subscription based software and videogames alike are considered products that can be resold or given away under EU law.

I was almost losing hope, but this move by Ross was really good.
It might work out in the end.

>>713876159
lmao retard. What do you think GaaS means?

>>713876182
All he had to do was spread some bait for the drama-farming youtubers and twitterfags to pick up on so they spread awareness to their viewers. Shitting on piratesoftware is the lowest-hanging fruit ever grown in the history of low-hanging fruits.

>>713873691
>DEATH THREATS!!!!
every time
man, there's gotta be a script these kinds of people follow

>>713876286
It means nothing in the face of law.

>>713875872
he/you stated it like the threshold of 1 million votes is being passed with every initiative. out of 32 init. only 1 passed since jan 2022.
only 6 since 2014 with 78 filed.
>https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-initiative_en
>being automated
trust

>>713876297
The timing is too good
>Shits on SKG
>Months later, the roach event happens
>Sloptubers already got their eye on him
>Start finding out more about him
>Slop dies down for just enough time...
>... only to get new material while also campaigning a social cause
Win-win, no losers except Jason himself.

>>713876297
Up until Ross' video I wasn't even aware of the piratefag drama. Probably because I've blocked his channel in order to stop seeing it on my youtube feed

>>713865224 (OP)
> An online petition
Because those are infamous for affecting real, quantifiable change.

>>713875556
go away jason

>>713876442
pee pee poo poo

>>713876358
They just take the most egregious behaviour and prretend this is the majority so they don't have respond to anything at all.

I hope corpos win just to fuck with you all

>>713876442
It's a eu citizen initiative, it has legal framework that forces the eu parliament to look at it.

>>713876379
THE LAWWW

SIGN THE PETITION

>>713876182
I wish he had done this a bit earlier though.

>>713876509
Gonna fuck with you too but I guess you've been spreading your asscheeks already to take big business cock all your life so you're quite used to it.

>>713876570
Personally I think the timing was perfect.
It was just a bit over 1 month before the deadline, there is still time to turn it around.
If people heard this 2 months ago, a lot of people wouldn't give a shit because there would be no urgency.

Where I can check what countries made it.

>>713876428
valid move. his initial "invasion" was perfectly natural and clear of anything shady too, for shure

>>713876570
He was in talks with serious partners and didn't want e-drama dragging down his image.

>Be EU citizen
>This shows up to my door
wat do.

>>713876658
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en
>https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

>>713876682
sharty losted

>>713876726
Better sign it.

>>713873923
>I call out bullshit at work and no one ever sides with me and then a week, maybe a month later they approach me and tell me I'm right
This was literally my entire life, which is why I'm stuck on 4chan.

>>713875710
That is super cope.
Here is what will really happen
.........nothing

>>713867503
Personal interest. Most of the people who bashed it (mainly Thor and Chet Faliszek) are involved in video game studio.
But honestly, at this point SKG should cover all digital goods, especially now when every single software became shittier and shittier

Threadly reminder that unless Ross explains to italian youtubers what this is my countrymen will never bother to vote
The people that speak/read english are the minority
Do not believe the fr*nch lies that we don't care, if we really didn't it wouldn't even hit 50%

>>713876741
>my shithole ngmi
as expected.

>>713876789
and THEN, often, ask you to fix it too
fucking my life right there

Why is italy like this?
It is by far the lowest Signatures/Capita.
God I hate italians.

>>713876594
>randomly talks about gay sex
everyone who supports this resetera-backed ad deserves to be sodomized for eternity

>>713876853
Tell them they won't get to keep pasta if this initiative fails.

>make anglocentric petition for a region with no anglos(ireland is not anglo btw)
This was doomed to fail from the start.
Even the 600k it got is overachieving.

>>713876904
>suddenly its 100k by tomorrow
they sure do love their pasta, don't they?

>>713872997
his name is Jason

>>713876904
Tell them everyone else will break and cut pasta if this fail.

>>713876960
I can't blame em, I like it too.

All he had to do was collect money and run an ad campaign.

I support this, but I don't get why it's set up to require companies to make a offline or private-server supported End of Life build

Why not just have the measure allow end users to mod the game and break DRM, without asking the developers to do anything? Wouldn't that be an easier sell to corporations and would ward off criticisms, since then there's no extra cost to the devs?

>>713876853
>>713876904
>>713876960
>>713876975
Italians are cucks to stupid copyright bullshit, they have laws that litterally give museums rights over their ancient and historical artwork, not even just for their own photos of the pieces, but to where italian museums can sue people in other EU countries for even parodying renaissance paintings where said parodies are completely original illustrations

>>713877227
He'd never openly declare support for it because he and Thor are promoted by the same media company.

>>713877004
he has principles, unlike you

>>713877269
There's a multitude of solutions and they can be applied on a case per case basis. Due to the sheer breadth and variety of software it's obvious that one universal fits-all kind of deal will not fly, so what you have mentioned too can be a viable option for some games that cannot support an end of life plan for one reason or another. The ideal is to make it so that killing games is illegal period and putting planned obsolescence into videogames is abolished as a practice.

>>713877227
skggers are trannies lmao

>video drought because he's busy with SKG
>soon, video drought because he's busy with THE MOVIE
being a ross fan is suffering

>>713877004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIfRLujXtUo&t=696s
He ain't no grifter.

>>713877269
Those things you are asking aren't set in stone, the iniciative is not a law, viability of everything will be discussed by the eu AFTER this citizen's iniciative is succesful.
On the gamer's nexus video that came out today (not in the main channel), Ross himself mentioned that if somehow getting server files isn't viable, then even just getting some small help from the developers, be it something like network documentation so people can work on the private servers on their own, could be an alternative.

>>713877512
Ross also explicitly states in that video that the source code is not necessary.

>>713875556
hello kikerat raochware

>>713877481
One day it'll all be worth it.

>>713877501
if a man say it's going to go towards an ad campaign and you knowingly give that man money it's not a grift

>>713875556
TRVKE

Sign this if you want games to die.
Don't sign this if you want games to live.

>>713877481
We gotta get spongebob back

>>713876786
Mega64 bit when?

>>713870507
That would mean less money for shareholders. And intentionally doing something that loses money for shareholders is literally illegal in America.

>>713877512
>>713877367
I'm aware the approach I said might still happen if EU lawmakers deem it to be a good one, I've mentioned this fact to critics of the current approach, I'm just wondering why Ross didn't have it as the main approach to begin with

>>713870507
Steam refunds were because of pressure from the EU too, it wasn't just Australia

>>713878183
meant for
>>713870602

Why would I sign it? Why should I support an initiative which allows normalfags to buy every fotm hype slop and never be punished for it?

If you have signed this petition, you need to go back

>>713878183
Australia alone couldn't have done it since Australia by itself is small. The EU makes things stick because of its size.

Place your best, place your bets, which country will be the next silver border, Germany or poland?

>>713875556
you mean it'd help kill kike companies? I'm signing twice

>>713876853
>>713876904
>>713876960
write them
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDzmCJ2Drz9OqDHIT_frvKQ/videos
mama mia
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwZ5L6pXiI
Sono uscite le RECENSIONI di Dragon Age Veilguard
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPo9tl-ZPz1Dh5ORtKL7P4w/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCY9Z4jRFaGxMr_tglHV5-w/videos
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJsWmkv24htCyYmGVQaTodA/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC9qCcyZQ2ul_A9hX-6Yxlw/videos

>>713878395
You are retard. This initiative will mean less GaaS and less always online games will be made since the petition will invalidate all the faggotry videogame publishers want to achieve by making everything into GaaS like product.

>page 9 despite regular posting about topic related to video game
thanks furry mods, good luck with your tranny erp sessions.

If this shit pass video games are done for. Be careful.

>>713878553
Oh shit I didn't realize it was autosaged.
Suck a shotgun jannies. Hope the hotpocket was worth it.

>>713878580
good

Video games are done for either way however

>>713878517
and why should I care about that? I don't buy that slop. I'm happy when these shit money grab games shut down and normalfags shit themselves over it (they probably noticed that the servers were shut down because some youtube grifter made a rage-bait video about it)

go back

*sissyzumgasms!*

>>713878642
Retard. You should care since it will affect future games.

>>713878767
but I'm not going to buy fotm goyslop? how does that affect me? It only affects normalfags

>>713878767
Future games are garbage.

>>713878553
Jannies are corporate owned.

>>713875556
Vile, lying shlomo

>>713866065
You don't understand anything about anything, and yet you made this post.