it's fucking up, get in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFYGv0Pb98
Fastest Handheld Display? - Switch 2 vs Steam Deck vs ROG Ally X and More Monitors Unboxed 206K subscribers 273 views 6 minutes ago

>>713883440 (OP)
qrd?

no one cares

buy an ad

>>713883564
>The Steam Deck OLED is incredibly fast and easily gives you fast enough response times to support 60 Hz and its maximum 90 Hz mode. I would also expect this sort of performance from the OLED panel in the
>Switch One OLED model and while I don't own a Switch OLED to test, this should be a good proxy for how that model compares to the Switch 1 LCD and Switch 2.
>Basically it's not a contest The OLED you get in
the Steam Deck absolutely destroys the LCD Switch models and handily beats even the ROG Ally X. This is why it's a significant upgrade over the Steam Deck LCD model in addition to color performance and contrast.

>>713884384
>Steam Deck won
Nintrannies in shambles

>>713884384
He tested the PSP 1000 and not the Switch 1 OLED? It's probably going to be similar to the Deck OLED, but still.

nice video sir I subscrobbled

>>713883440 (OP)
>>713883564
oh no no no
LOOK AT THIS (((2025))) SCREEN GO *wheezing*

>>713884663
shut up. stop spreading misinformation. Gaben won
>imagine not buying a switch oled for the most important test you will do for the next 5 years

>supports 120hz
just put a black frame inbetwen lmaoooooo

>>713883440 (OP)
>More Monitors Unboxed 206K subscribers 273 views 6 minutes ago
Why are you so blatantly trying to shill your youtube channel here?

>>713883440 (OP)
hes a steamie chud who hatea nintendo. He should stick to pc junk

>psp screen is 66 ms
>Still looks great and I don't notice anything with it
So a nothing burger

>>713884847
These all look the same though

>>713886590
Why do you ignore the massive trails

>>713886892
The trails are on all of them?

>>713887970
I think you should open photoshop and then overlay the qdoled pic over the switch 2 pic so they flick from one another repeatedly and post it here as a mp4

Maybe youll stop trolling after it too

>>713887970
>>713888072
Sorry meant the rog ally pic not qdoled

Its a night and day diff

>>713883440 (OP)
He went easy on tendies and didn't even compared HDR performance on Deck and Switch 2.

>>713884663
he doesn't have one

>>713883440 (OP)
OP is a faggot, more news at 11.

>>713888626
>i-it's nothing!
>the worst modern display ever measured

>>713888729

>>713887716
>Beantwoorden

Its ogre

>>713884384
ROG won
Xbox won

>>713888812
>t. not people

>>713886451
If you never noticed anything with the PSP 1000 screen you should, in all sincerity, get an eye test.

>>713888812
>i don't care about nintendo making massive bank off hardware and still cheaping out on the screens despite also increasing the price of their games
at least sony and microsoft sells their toyboxes at a loss
you are getting fucked from every angle and loving it

>>713883440 (OP)
>>713884384
I hate hearing good things about the steam deck OLED cause it reminds me of how hard I got owned for buying the LCD one on release

>>713889010
>>713889059

>>713884847
LCD really is trash

>>713888390
Well, he should've bought one?

>>713889061
I bought the LCD model a few months before they announced the OLED.

>>713889128
>if you want quality from a console that's the furthest thing away from a loss leader you should fuck off

>>713889128
you shouldn't be mad at /v/ when nintendo is the one making switch 2

>>713888939
grim

>>713884663
all OLEDs have essentially the same speed, so yes the switch OLED will have a very fast screen

>>713889061
i heard Tenders like LCD. sell it

>>713883440 (OP)
>Switch 2 has better latency than PSP 1000
Uhhh sony sisters... wtf is going on????

>>713889328
I call bullshit
PSP looks ten times better

>>713888939
They purposely scammed tendies with the worst screen imaginable so they can sell their 800 dollar hardware dlc later

There is OBVIOUSLY no difference btw!

>>713889808
Outside of canned benchmarks there isn't. Real world usage shows it is a nothingburger.

>>713890521
in the real world screens are improving, more than 60hz is the norm on pretty much everything now
meanwhile tendie toys are regressing to being barely 30hz compliant

>>713889328
>better response time than the screen on a 20 year old handheld
Tendie bros we did it. Would've been funny if they tested a PSP 3000 and it closed the gap

>>713883440 (OP)
Not giving a click but nothing can be worse than the steamdeck screen. You're pretty much required to hook it to a TV or monitor if you want a decent image.

>>713890748
see >>713884384

>>713883440 (OP)
How old is this nigga? He alternately looks 29 and 45 years old from shot to shot.

>gimping switch 2 by testing at 60hz when it does 120hz
That is how you spot clickbait.

>>713887716
Hitler dood, wat nou?

>>713889808
Brother... the latency, contrast ratio, brightness and color of the Switch 2 display are more than enough for the vast majority of people. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy or whatever (only Nintendo console I've ever used is the Wii) but the reality of the situation is that if you were to ask the average person about the quality of the display they'd tell you it looks great. And they wouldn't be lying about it. Most people are not very sensitive to things like ghosting or little frame drops. Unless you have side by side comparisons they're not going to see the problem - because the problem is only really a problem for a minority of people.

As far as I'm concerned, Switch 2 panel is like an 8/10. I've seen it irl, a work colleague bought it day 1. Fulfills all my visual requirements, and it's 1080p 120hz with HDR and VRR. OLED would be better of course, but honestly OLED is more of a necessity for computers than consoles (as in, the display type is more impactful when browsing the internet, watching anime, reading manga than playing video games), though that's just my opinion.

>>713890826
lmao you're stupid

>>713890826
You're such a moron

>>713890956
You had a point until you mentioned HDR. We all know by now that the Switch 2 screen is incapable of displaying anything resembling HDR.

My goodness, they use the cheapest LCD screens imaginable for these handhelds.

>>713890826
it doesn't let you do that you retard, it runs at 60 unless games let it
besides you'd be retarded to think that setting a higher number can fix it
if it could then why the fuck is it so much worse than the switch 1 which is running at the same fucking refresh rate

>>713890959
>>713890997
>>713891056
mad and out of arguments
Meanwhile Switch 2 outsold the steam deck lifetime sales in 4 hours

>>713884384
Damn the Ally X has a decent LCD panel.

>>713891187
>out of arguments
saying i don't care doesn't constitute an argument, nor does circlejerking about how many cultists bought a toy with no games

>>713891203
It's fine if you never tried actual 120hz on oled.
I own both a (((fast))) IPS and an OLED dell monitor. The motion clarity is really noticeable at 120hz between the two.

With the Switch 2 you get double the shovel knights! Switch 2 wins!

>>713889061
OLED is kind of jarring at low frame rates so there is one advantage. Legion Go has pretty fucking nice panels for an IPS display.

>>713889493
>They purposely scammed tendies with the worst screen imaginable so they can sell their 800 dollar hardware dlc later
It is a nintendo tradition

The display is fine.

nothing wrong here no sir

Firmware update will fix it and then you'll all be REKT by Nintendo baby

>>713892016
And that is in a grey to white scenerio, pixel response times get worst at lower luminance levels, can't imagine how awful it looks in a dark game like CP2077.

>>713884384
>steam deck oled is 1ms
Holy mogged
Hilarious that the nintendo fanboys were constantly shitposting about the switch oled, then shitposting against oled when the switch 2 didn't have one, and then shitposted about the switch 2 screen being so good before it came out, and now having to clam up and try to cope that they only play it docked anyway and fall back on their usual 'yeah it's all total shit and nu-nintendo and their games are worse than ever, buh- but sales...' cope. Being forced to eat crow over and over really couldn't have happened to a nicer, more sane and rational fanbase, I feel so bad for them.

>>713892016
I actually had to look for the ghosting
Idk man you guys are making a big deal out of nothing

>>713892150
so instead of being in its own tier of shit it'll still be in switch 1 tier of shit and nintendo will still double dip with oled on their extremely high profit margin consoles?

>>713889061
It's still insanely good for what it is and all it's capable of. I have both and I've zero regrets getting the Deck at launch.

>>713892304
>you guys are making a big deal out
Give it another week, and the Youtubers will find another mole hill to make a mountain out of.

>>713892304
Yeah sure, as if the triple ghost banner was not clear enough.

if you like handhelds you are likely gonna get both
switch 2 for nintendo exclusives
deck for easy piracy, cheap old steam games and emulation

>>713892404
Camera picks this up. Human eye doesn't see this.

>>713884847
Does he have a comparison of the S2 and DeckO?

Steam deck lcd was in production for multiple years and no one complained that it had va tier response times

A YouTube channel worth millions couldn't afford to buy a switch oled

I'm thinking xenophobia

>>713892473
If he's got an Ally X then he simply chose not to buy a Switch OLED because he didn't care enough.

>>713892404
Well I was looking at the character since it's in focus

>>713892439
Deck is for virtually everything.

>>713892460
The human eye has better motion sensitivity than any phone camera, if anything the human eye will pick up a fourth ghost banner.
Also cope, you bought a 500$ turd with a 20 year old LCD.

>>713892473
if deck 2 releases with an lcd worse than the first deck you'll have grounds for tendieism
as it stands nintendo went lcd-oled-lcd despite how fucking much they scalp their customers already

>>713892460
I concur. Human eyes also don't see beyond 30fps with occasional dips. All this is a huge nothingburger.

Snoysissies, no one is replying to our thread...

>>713892668
i dunno man, i like it but it's getting old
even when a switch 2 emulator rolls out the deck will not be powerful enough to run most first party games
when the deck 2 rolls out i might buy it as well though

>>713892473
>no one complained
Everyone complained about the screen. It was THE biggest complaint about the device alongside battery life.

>>713892473
The Deck LCD was shit but the Switch 2's is somehow much worse, this isn't the defense you think it is

Literally no one cares about this. Basically the switch 2 updates 1/100 of a second slower than some of these other handhelds. You are absolutely not going to notice 1/100 slower update time.

People always want to hate on the new product, whatever it is, so right now you have a bunch of autists desperately scouring for something to complain about, because Nintendo didn't cheap out in the way usually did. So they've settled on the screen updating 1/100 of a second slower than the steam deck as the killer blow. This is one of those things no one will ever talk about again next week.

>>713892823
if you own any type of gaming PC with at least a 3060/6600 you can stream any game to your Deck which is a nice feature, it also allows the Deck to have like ~8 hrs of gaming battery life in handheld

Can we see footage of it happening in real time and not 1000% slowed at 700% zoom?

Instead how about at the speed and perspective you would actually be using the system at?

>>713892834
>Switch 2 screen is bigger, higher res, with better colors and contrast and double refresh rate
>It's worse actually!

>>713892473
Nobody complained about the switch 1 response times either and the deck 1's are better than that. You have nothing here. Also nintendo went lcd -> oled -> even worse lcd so they could obviously force another double dip. Unless valve does that, then it's not a comparison. The deck oled also addressed a bunch of issues people had with the deck lcd, dropped the price of the lcd deck and kept the oled's at the same price. It was a proper refresh based on user feedback to keep improving the deck, rather than a cheap doubledip cashgrab and subsequent regression like nintendo pulls.

>>713892954
>NO ONE CARES LALALALALALA STOP ATTACKING NINTENDO PLEASE IT'S JUST MILLISECONDS WHO CARES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>713892954
>didn't cheap out
>used the worst screen in modern gaming history

>>713892954
It's pretty telling that 3.5 million owners had no problem with it and it only became an "issue" after some youtuber made a video and shitposters picked it up

>trust me bro

>>713892404
i'm telling you man, that's why they can do it
>>713892460
>Camera picks this up. Human eye doesn't see this.

those who buy the Snatch don't notice it
those who notice it don't buy the Snatch

>>713893163
>tendies buying a console at launch with no games have no standards
more news at 11

Nintendo could easily swap the screens out in another batch of switch 2s. They did this with the new 3DS. There was IPS models and TN models and you had no idea which you would get.

>>713892954
>no, you see, it's fine for nintendo to release one of the worst screens in recent history with their massive margins consoles because i don't understand the numbers

>>713893137
It's not. It's an issue of power draw, not the quality of the panel.
You really shouldn't talk about stuff you don't even have basic understanding about.

>>713893054
>better colors and contrast
well this is just a fucking lie lol, and it actually is, it's like buying a 4k monitor from china for 300 bucks except you're getting 25ms of response time, terrible blacks and washed colours, etc and claiming it's better than a 1440p higher tier monitor

>>713893332
>it's not the quality!!! nintendo had to cheap out and go for a shit tier ips instead of an oled because... because they don't have enough money already!!!!

Screech all you want man, you're screaming into the void. The only video about this has less than 200k views. No one cares, no one is talking about this outside of people looking for something to complain about.

>>713892823
The deck can emulate Bloodborne roughly equivalent to or better than the PS4 can run it natively. No, you shouldn't expect it to emulate a system that just came out and is roughly equivalent in specs, but it still plays the vast majority of games out there and is an extremely capable/versatile system.
I hope when the Deck 2 does come out in 1-2 years they manage to keep it the same price. The Deck used to get sales and discounts, but the tariffs are obviously preventing that recently, which sucks, so I hope it doesn't impact the Deck 2.

>>713893331
>no, you see, it's fine for me to shitpost about something i don't understand because the toy company that made this toy is different from my preferred toy company

Basically there is nothing at the same price point better than the switch 2 screen. Obviously if you're spending 600+ dollars you'll get a better screen. The vast majority of people wont do that. The entire handheld PC market has sold like 4m. That's not an audience Nintendo cares about. They could have made a 600 dollar switch 2 with a better screen, but no one would have bought it.

How do the lumens compare? Can't watch the vid right now.

I thought the big advantage of lcd was actually being able to use your handheld in the proximity of grass

>>713893503
>I hope when the Deck 2 does come out in 1-2 years they manage to keep it the same price.
Retard
It will be 700 minimum. Valve wont sell at a loss, never have and never will. There's been a ton of inflation. They'll want an OLED screen and a more powerful processor than the switch 2 so 700 bucks is what you're paying.

>>713893532
>you don't understand!!! nintendo isn't maximizing their hardware profit margins AND raising prices of their games! they care about me!!!
shut the fuck up
oled is more power efficient at the same brightness and better than any ips at everything regarding picture quality

>>713890890
We kiss

>>713893449
Niggy, even $800 Rog Ally X doesn't have 120Hz VRR 1080p OLED panel. Are they cheapening out too?
What the fuck are you even babbling about?

>>713893332
if it was about power draw they would've used an oled, basically you're retarded

>>713893503
the ps4 is x86_64 just like the steam deck
via wine you can run shadps4 essentially natively (i mean it's kind of funny running the game behind two layers of compatibility but i imagine the performance loss to be negligible)

the switch is an arm64 device, which adds exponential overhead because you are emulating the whole thing
funnily enough, it's easier to emulate switch games on an old shitty android phone because of the architecture similarities

i understand what you mean but ps4 emulation is a special case in itself imho
it was always destined to run really well on pc, because the ps4 is a standard unix x86_64 pc by all definition

>>713892954
>People always want to hate on the new product
No I don't. I don't want to hate Nintendo. I grew up with Nintendo.
But they've turned into absolute soul sucking cancer and people need to shit on them or they will just keep getting worse. This is not the company anyone gave a fuck about and bending over for everything they do does not make anything better. Have some goddamn integrity and standards.

>>713883440 (OP)
>open vid
>bong accent
>close vid

>>713893779
A 8 inch 1080p 120hz OLED would add like $200+ onto the cost of the switch 2

>>713893573
lol

>>713891017
Even better the calibration tool they provide for HDR is wrong if you follow the text.

>>713892460
My eyes see this, and it's thru an already third worlder LCD screen that is blurry as shit.

>>713893767
well they at least used a reasonably decent LCD, unlike nintendo which used one of the most awful ones I've ever seen >>713888939

>>713891469
This isn't real.

>>713887716
How is he home react when I show him my PC can also play Mario?

>>713893659
>It will be 700 minimum. Valve wont sell at a loss, never have and never will.
You have literally no proof of this whereas Gayben came out and said hitting the Deck's price point was extremely painful for them. They can eat a loss on the system by subsidizing it with Steam. They're filthy rich.

>>713892016
Looks fine. Snoys and decktrannies lost.

>>713893779
And make it cost $1000, retard? See >>713893767

>>713893767
retard
nintendo has an entire fucking ecosystem you're trapped in, they get a fuckload from you for getting their gay toy AND they get a fuckload from the games
you pay asus ONCE
steam deck? valve gets 30% as opposed to 100%, they allow refunds and they have big sales, profit margins are much lower
nintendo is as greedy as they fucking come, they're fucking their consumers harder than ever and you're defending it

>>713893847
60hz. So 120hz and vrr support would be what $200? Would you pay $699 for an OLED switch 2? Of course not. Nobody would.

Why won't people just admit a S2 OLED isn't viable YET until a few more years when the components drop in price and it'll be able to be $450

>>713893230
We've known that for at least 28 years.

>>713893957
>You have literally no proof of this whereas Gayben came out and said hitting the Deck's price point was extremely painful for them. They can eat a loss on the system by subsidizing it with Steam. They're filthy rich.
There's no reason for them to though. The steam deck is obviously being bought by steam users. They're not expanding the audience with their expensive niche handheld PC. And there's no reason to think it was ever sold at a loss. The price was the same as you would pay for a laptop with similar specs at the time. Right now a laptop with the tech they would want is 650-700, that's what the steam deck 2 will be. They wont go with a relatively cheap LCD screen or with only 256 gb of space or with a 2022 processor like Nintendo did so they aren't getting a Nintendo price.

>>713894069
>120hz
>with the 30ms response times

>>713893840
>bong

>>713893929
And Ally X is 2x more expensive.
Meanwhile Switch 2 being $450 already sends you in blind rage.

>>713893842
>120hz
absolutely pointless for this system, nothing in handheld runs anywhere close to 120 fps, cyberpunk a 50 year old game struggles to maintain 30 fps with 1 npc in view

>>713894127
You can't detect 30ms lag, it's not humanly possible

>>713894180
Metroid prime 4 is already confirmed to run at 120fps in performance mode.

>>713894180
>struggles to maintain 30 fps
*20fps

>>713894196
They say that about fps too.

>>713884384
Switch 2 outsold Steam Deck lifetime sales in its first 24 hours.

This will never not be hilarious.

>>713894196
if you can't detect 30ms lag then you can't detect the difference between 30hz and 120hz where each frame is delivered every 8ms instead of 33ms
see that's 25ms difference, imperceptible according to you tendies

>>713893227
Nobody noticed it until a Youtuber made a video about it.

>>713894343
This is pretty funny. We shouldn't let the Steamies forget this.

>>713894180
>Is unaware of 120hz display enabling 40fps games
Is this the knowledge of an average mustard racer?

oled deck looking pretty nice
but I'll stick with my lcd until it breaks

I just don't know why anyone would rather pay an extra 150-200 dollars just to have a better screen. 1080p HDR LCD is fine. You're never gonna have your experience hurt because it's "only" LCD. Meanwhile that 150 dollars is 3 full size games if you buy them on sale. Do you care about games or the screen?

>>713883440 (OP)
If you look up any jewtuber video about the matter you will see 3 types of videos.
>Niggers simply parroting the "sources" if not outright watching them and reacting to them.
>Faggots trying to be fancy, but simply parroting the "it's not LE TRUE HRD and worse than oled".
>Techniggers doing fake tests.
The first two ones are self explanatory, but the third one is more insidious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB67B8LCorI [Embed]
Skip to 3:50.
Not only the nigger is comparing it to 144-520hz high end monitors (granted, most are 144-165hz), he's also comparing them with the switch 2 at 60hz.
How was this done you ask? By comparing the pixel movement through an ufo test video.
How did they do it on the switch 2 you ask if it has not been jailbroken and the official filmware has no internet browser? Through a youtube video, which downclocks the screen to 60hz to save battery (because no jewtube video goes over that anyway) like any game that doesn't use the full 120hz would.
The video even literally admits to the downclocking around 4:50 even, "Switch 2 60hz IPS LCD"

>>713894405
yes, tendies that bought this paperweight at launch aren't the best and brightest
what else is new

>>713894180
120hz isn't for 120fps it's for 40fps. The way it works 40fps is halfway between 30 and 60 fps. For a handheld system that will be struggling to run a lot of these games, a 40fps option is a huge deal.

>>713894208
assuming this is actually true, one switch port getting dlss smeared at 720p doesn't justify having a 120hz screen if it means they have to cheap out and get the worst one out of a trash bin in taiwan, this is only going to become more true as time goes on since this things already struggling with ps4 games
>>713894253
true

>>713894502
>>713892016

The strangest thing is not a SINGLE PERSON ever mentioned, noticed or pointed this out until digital foundry did.

Every preview, every hands on, all the captured footage from all the journos and YouTubers and everyone that went to all those media events and even recorded their own footage of the switch screens I don't remember or can't find ANYONE complaining about the screen. Until just a few days ago.

>>713894104
>There's no reason for them to though
Yes there is. The biggest reason they made the Deck was to push Proton and SteamOS. They want as many people using that as possible. It was never about the hardware itself, it was to spur on competition in the handheld PC space and then load up that competition with SteamOS. The Deck is just a vehicle for that and in order to be a good vehicle for that, it needs to be affordable, which Valve can easily do by subsidizing it with the shitload of money they make off Steam. If they price people out, that defeats the entire purpose of leading this space into maturity.

>>713894502
>click the timestamp
>60hz grey to grey performance at the top
embarrassing
delete this post honestly, calling others fake while you can't fucking read

>>713894569
I mean the consoles been out for 2 weeks. Most studios don't even have dev kits yet. Lots of smaller and lesser power required indie games could probably and will probably run their games at 120fps in the coming years.

Just cus none of the what... 30 games out right now use it doesn't mean they won't.

>>713894461
They aren't getting anywhere close to 40fps either lol

>>713894615
Psst the double embed should be the hint you're responding to a shill and/or bot.

>>713894502
At this stage I feel like you keep posting this 12 year old's understanding of display technology because it's more embarrassing for tendies to convince people they think like this.

Also, since you retards show your asses by being completely unaware of what's going on, this isn't the panel quality issue, it's due to Nintendo limiting the screen's power draw to extend battery life.
They can put out an update in 5 minutes that changes the settings, but then you'll be spamming 942 threads screeching about battery life instead

>>713894343
I'd say it's hilarious that all tendies have is deepthroating sales when all nu-Nintendo has done with those sales is use it as justification for utterly screwing you, but it's just sad.

>>713894857
it is a quality issue of it not being an oled
nintendo has by far the highest profit margins per customer and they're scalping twenty bucks off the initial hardware sale

>>713892473
Shit screen is the most common complaint about the deck LCD.

>>713883440 (OP)
This shit genuinely gives me a headache while playing it, it is awful. All those saying you can't notice it are legally blind or shills, it's very obvious. At least I can play on TV I guess.

The problem with these tech reviewers is they never factor in the price because they're sent the devices for free, unlike us plebians who have to work for them. So the more expensive the better, even if the difference is only marginal. That's why you saw all these fuckers gushing over the 700 dollar PS5 pro that barely does anything whereas you have this massive leap from Nintendof for 450 and they're not impressed. Because they didn't pay for either of them.

>>713894857
>but nintendo could just put out an update to tank the 2 hour battery life to 1 hour of battery life if they wanted to so ha, it's not actually a problem!
Okay?

>>713894861
No it's just funny watching you being on suicide watch and nothing you scream about changing reality.
What are you still doing here? You should print more leaflets and go stand in front of Walmart to warn people about Switch 2

>>713894613
That would make sense except the handheld PC space completely bombed. It's sold like 4m lifetime and those sales were probably severely front loaded, with people initially buying for the novelty. With diminishing returns I expect most handheld PC owners are not going to be looking for an upgrade any time soon and there's no room to expand the market because anyone who hasn't bought one would rather have a laptop or a switch 2.

>>713894502
>tech ecelebs tested it wrong on purpose
but why tho

>>713895017
>massive leap
nintendo's games could run on e-waste if they ported them

>>713895045
>You should print more leaflets and go stand in front of Walmart to warn people about Switch 2
Now watching your meltie over that was pretty hilarious. I do hope more stores do it.

>>713895148
Mario Kart world has twice the characters and way more on screen than 8. It wouldn't have run on the switch 1 at 10fps.

>>713883440 (OP)
I have no doubt that the Switch 2 is a good device (for the right consumer), but in my opinion, the OLED Deck most likely the superior product unless you *need* the newest Nintendo releases as they come out. It's a capable device with more functionality and a larger library. Will you be able to play Splatoon 4 online? No, probably won't be able to play it at all. It's up to (You) to decide whether or not that's important.

>>713895017
Anything is a huge generational performance when your last console was so dogshit even budget smartphones on release were more powerful

>>713895226
Switch 2 will never have an emulator. Nintendo will immediately sue or pay off anyone who starts working on one. They've killed all the switch 1 emulators and will be much more aggressive with the new console.

>>713895197
it would run on any console and pc because it's a fucking desktop 3050 minus 40% of the cores and 50% of the clock speed capped to sub 30w
they're selling old silicon and a shit ips screen with a big fucking fat PROFIT

>>713895137
Anti-nintendo payments.

>>713895098
No it didn't, it's doing better than it's ever been. You're making it too obvious you're just operating off of wish fulfillment and just don't want any of it threatening Nintendo.
PC was dead in the water 15 years ago before quietly overtaking consoles. It will be a slow burn yet again, you don't have to worry just yet.

>>713895197
all this says is that the switch 1 was even worse than e-waste, my smartphone can emulate switch games

>>713895339
There is no chance whatsoever that they're profitting on this thing. The analyst estimate is 400 dollars to produce but you have to pay the retailer cut, shipping, storage, R&D, marketing and a 10% tarrif on every unit. They're most likely selling at a 30-50 dollar loss, which is why they're pushing the mario kart bundle as the main unit.

>>713894937
>Just bump the price by $200! That'll do it!

>>713895369
Handheld PCs are not a revolutionary product, they're just laptops with a different (worse) form factor. They're never gonna beat out laptops for the handheld PC market because they are inferior in most ways.

>>713895339
>it's a fucking desktop 3050 minus 40% of the cores and 50% of the clock speed capped to sub 30w
isn't that more like a 1050?

>>713895163
Are you going to go around knocking at doors like Jehovah's witnesses next?

>>713894502
Holy cope.

>>713894471
Same boat. I actually bought an OLED, but as a gift to my brother. Both Decks are still damn good for what they offer.

>>713895541
they basically already are

>>713895424
they're using 2 generations old nvidia architecture with old silicon from samsung with zero fucking demand and get a massive bulk order cut
and the screens are also made in bulk and ips is getting replaced by amoled even in midrange phones
are you suggesting phones that never really see the manufacturer profit beyond the initial sale are sold at a loss?

>>713895424
it's $338 as of now(will get cheaper overtime, but nintendo will never lower the price) and nintendo states they never sell at a loss so they likely are profiting at least marginally

>>713895486
I've had multiple gaming laptops over the decades. The deck mogs them so damn hard for gaming. The only reason to have a laptop is for more portable productivity. The deck could do that too, but it's less convenient for productivity, just like a laptop is way less convenient and worse for gaming.

>>713895424
if the only thing they're supposedly profiting on are the games why don't they do like sony and microsoft and just become multiplatform, are they retarded or are you wrong?

>>713895492
The closest GPU is the 2050, but with 25% fewer cores (2000 vs. 1500) and less than half the clock speed in handheld mode (1.2GHz vs 0.5GHz).
So it's roughly half as fast as a 1050 in handheld mode. But it supports DLSS: a 1050 runs games at 500p and they look like shit, Switch 2 can run games at 500p upscaled with DLSS and they look fine.

>>713895714
>go on a website expecting nintendo worship
>get upset over seeing arguments to the point where you made a cute little comic about it that you spam everywhere you see dissent
reddit is more your style champ

>>713895541
Are you going to shit your diapers over that next?

>>713895724
How is it 2 generations old when it's a custom Nvidia chip that does dlss?

>>713896104
it's 2 generations old because it was sold after nvidia released the 40 and the 50 series silicon
and yes, big partners like that get to have that silicon earlier, see sony and microsoft getting rdna2 contemporary with the desktop release

>>713896104
He's talking about Nvidia GPU generations, retard. PCs aren't limited to a single generation per decade.

>>713893223
dapper young individual
seems to be in the air

>>713896104
Switch 2 = Ampere.

Blackwell = RTX 5000 = 2025
Lovelace = RTX 4000 = 2022
Ampere = RTX 3000 = 2020

>Miyamoto gets TWO scoops of icecream??
>Nintendo is literally oppressing me.

>>713889061
WaitLords keep winning.

>>713883440 (OP)
BUY
AN
AD
AUSSIE FAGGOT

>>713896104
dlss has been around since q1 2019 tendie-kun

>>713896626
He's a console retard, in his mind two generations ago means PS3

One thread full of Nintendo defense force cope. Man this shit is nearly as fun as concord threads

>>713896619
don't think i will

>>713894343
Why do you post this shitty bait in every single hardware thread? It's like a 5 year old bragging that Goku can punch harder than superman then expecting his grandpa to care about it. The deck is a pc, it has the library of a pc, sales have never mattered, you know this and you don't care either so why do you post this stupid shit.

>>713896784
Lying is bad form, anon. So is screaming into the void.

It's hilarious to me that people fall for shit like this. 3.4 million units sold and how many returns? Fact is human beings are perfectly happy playing this way. It's fine. You can have an enjoyable experience with it. Scientifically flow state is flow state, when you're locked in you're locked in, you can't "enhance" your enjoyment past the point of flow state by having a 4k 90" monitor with 0.1ms response time. Psychologically it doesn't matter.

>>713889061
i hope valve isn't retarded enough to only offer an ips deck 2 on release
they should take note how it's the only one that doesn't sell out

>>713888947
>Xbox won

>>713894857
>since you retards show your asses
Please be bait, if it isn't you need to fuck off back to whatever sewer you crawled out of, you don't belong here.

B-but guys 120hz!!!

>>713893840
>American education
Lol

>>713893053
the video has mario kart world footage

Stop lying out of your asses.

Even here a comparison against the Deck OLED it looks the exact same!!!!!!

>>713891017
The HDR spec is badly flawed and if you have a problem with it, you need to take it up with VESA. I agree that it's bullshit, but it's that way because ASUS, Acer, AUO and all the bottom-tier suppliers of monitors spoiled the spec years ago so they could sell their junk.

>>713886451
Kek you're like one of those people who dont notice the difference between 30 and 60 fps. You are very lucky

>>713894857
>battery life
he says in the video that disabling overdrive is literally only extending the battery life by less than 20 minutes
you know what else would extend the battery life? an oled screen like what happened to the deck

>>713897316
HDR on an LCD is bad no matter the spec as the panel types just aren't upto the task.

>>713883440 (OP)
Don't need a switch 2. At most I will buy deck 2 OLED

>>713897474
It's true! Write an email to VESA about it. I've been bitching about it since before Covid.

>>713897295
He should've included Switch OLED. Nintendo fans would have nothing to say.

>>713890716
Psp street is the psp with the best screen

>>713897461
OLED screens aren't always more power efficient, they can be less efficient than LCD if it's a very bright scene.
Deck OLED increased battery size by 20%, uses more efficient RAM chips, reduced board complexity by a fuckton, and improved the node of the SoC from 7 to 6nm.

>>713897474
Yeah except the way Nintendo advertised it a lot of us were sure it would be a panel with at least dozens of dimming zones. And DF just had to send blind geriatric 60yo retard Richard to the hands on who then reported that the HDR in Cyberpunk looked "great".

>>713897461
20 minutes is a huge deal when you're already struggling to hit 1 hour.

>>713897474
HDR on an LCD is actually not bad at all. Sonys flagship is an LCD backed by Mini LEDs and it beats the OLEDs in most areas when it comes to reproducing the reference display for HDR content.

The only thing MIni LED LCDs cant do is tiny tiny objects on the screen (1% squares of the display or smaller) with the same brightness as OLEDs.

>>713894343
Nintendo advertises and develops games. Valve collects a paycheck.

>>713895309
"Never" is too strong of a word, but it will take a while. PS3 emulation is still kind of shitty, for example. I still think the Deck is a solid choice for primary console unless you are worried about experiencing FOMO with new Nintendo games. There's always the chance that the Switch 2 will go on sale down the road, and even if it doesn't, there will be enough units around to ensure cheap, second hand purchases.

To put in in perspective, I've waited so long to play a lot of third party stuff that I can pick up great games for under $10 and not have to worry about getting my money's worth. It pays to be patient, unless we're talking about online experiences.

>>713897295
>hardware TAA
what did nintendo mean by this?

>>713898204
You're "technically"correct here, but only because all those technologies use a liquid crystal layer. MiniLED and QLED and such are all technically "LCD" screen, but they're never marketed at such. That's because they're vastly better than what people think of when they hear "LCD" and MiniLED, LED and others want to make the point that they're that much better. Nintendo never said antying about the screen other than "LCD".

I disagree with you about the last part. My 16" MBP has arguably the best MiniLED screen you can buy, with a little over 2500 zones and 2000 nits. HDR and local contrast still doesn't look as good as my glossy OLED 1440p monitor. Blue-greens and yellows are just impossible to get right with a polarizing layer between the light source and the viewer.

>$200 phone has an oled screen and it has to be profitable because it competes with all the other phone brands and the phone maker only gets the money from the hardware sale
>$450 nintendo switch has one of the shittiest screens in recent history despite competing with no one and making a fuckload of money from all its software

>>713898658
The macbook pro is notorious for being bad as an HDR display, blooming out the ass buddy.

>>713894196
It is not lag, it is pixel response time

>>713893935
cope

>>713898887
tbf phone outsells switch harder than wii outselling wii u by 10 folds

>>713898510
kek

>>713898887
Shittendo is a small nippon company, please understand!

>>713899207
and they don't get much more out of you than those 200 bucks
nintendo has much higher margins on hardware than a midrange phone and with all the software sales the profit per customer is not even close to comparable

>>713899446
yeah you're right $80 games and paid networking lmao

>>713898905
lol ok

>>713898887
almost like sammy is vertically integrated or something. and i doubt they're making money on their low end phones. samsung profit is abysmal

>>713900298
ok
here
it's some random chink brand that's even cheaper

>>713900456
Looks great! When are you buying it?

>>713900573
i already have a redmagic 9 pro and i wish i spent half as much on a phone, bought it only because i got the specs autism at an inopportune time
i only ever emulate on it and i'm not playing the actually demanding chink gacha slop

>>713883440 (OP)
STEAM DECK WITH CRT SCREEN WHEN?

>haha who cares if its 33ms
>So what if brand new 200 dollar phones have an OLED screen.

>>713884384
Jesus christ do tendies have anything to actually justify buying this fucking thing?

>>713892214
>can't imagine how awful it looks in a dark game like CP2077.
OH NO NO NO NO DLSS temporal blur plus poor pixel response time, Cyberpunk? More like Cyberblur.

>>713896104
all nvidia gpus since 2018 support DLSS upsclaing

>>713896329
This looks like an AI generated video

>>713896104
you know dlss has been a thing since the 20 series right?

Does it really matter if you only play it docked with a pro controller?

>>713894405
Digital Foundry guys mentioned the poor pixel response times like a week before the Monitors Unboxed video.
Any gamer with functioning eyes (no not tendies) should be able to see the smear fest.

>>713884847
That's why I pick Deck OLED

>>713902478
at that point you're settling for a handheld tax with no benefits

>>713893808
>via wine you can run shadps4
>wine
shadps4 has native linux builds anon, 99% of emulators do, rpcs3 runs much better on Linux because Windows CPU scheduling is a mess.

>>713894502
>Not only the nigger is comparing it to 144-520hz
All monitors are set to 60Hz you retarded tendie

>>713898151
Is Switch 2's battery life that shit?

>>713895424
Nintendo always sells hardware at a profit unless that hardware eats absolute shit and they're desperate. They cheaped out to ensure that profit. Profiting off the hardware is a big reason they even make hardware, the other being absolute control.

>>713902698
man ps5 and xbox would be a fucking steal if they opened the bootloader from the get go and just let you install linux right away
but if they did that they wouldn't sell them at a loss

>>713902193
>wanting burn in on a device you will use for thousands upon thousands of hours

>>713902881
Cyberpunk will run the battery flat in about an hour.

>>713903174
Jesus

>>713897295
Man, what is the point of 120hz that 99.9% of games will never even make use of anyway when all it does is shit on the battery life and the screen is still a blurry fucking mess. The fuck is wrong with nintendo, this sucks.

>>713903095
>low brightness mobile device
>burn in
Protip: all the burn in memes come from big bright and old screens running around the clock

>>713889061
thanks for beta testing!

>nobody notices this "issue" for weeks
>not even in previews where nothing but praise over the screen quality is posted
>suddenly some rando internet man says it is a major problem
>MAGICALLY every content thief and farmer jumps on the train to claim they knew of this from day one
Mighty curious one might declare.

>>713903458
>what is the point of 120hz
Normalfag marketing point.
A 60Hz OLED would have been much better.

>>713883440 (OP)
>he's ugly
opinion discarded

>>713902881
It's as bad as the LCD deck which is terrible. It might even be worse than the OG deck.

>>713887970
look at the switch 2 and then look at the rog ally in the top row
it's not even close

>>713902241
exclusive games
but personally I'm waiting for a mid-gen OLED version

Here I am with my OLED Deck and MangoHUD FPS limiter, enjoying no lag and no blur, while people play on this subpar piece of shit with a nintendo logo "that can do more FPS!"

>>713903623
Three days before Monitors Unboxed first video.
Only tendies that have played at 20fps over the last decade can't seem to notice the smear-fest screen.

>>713902881
Not quite that bad, but yes, it's dogshit. It's worse than the deck lcd's terrible battery life, which the same people tying themselves into knots defending nintendo were constantly shitting on.

Eric won just wanted to put that out there

>>713904093
>implying I meant monitors unboxed is the rando and not digital foundry
lmao outing yourself

>>713903972
Seeing what Nintendo's doing to those games, actively shitting on their users for not playing the way Nintendo wants them to, as well as banning and censoring third party games, even that's a highly debatable reason.

>>713904580
>a channel with over a millions subs is a rando
Ok tendie, just get your eyes checked, I am worried.

>>713904580
lmao nice try

>>713884384
Tendies were so desperate for the S2 to be an objective improvement over the Deck so they could shitpost into the sun and instead they just keep eating L after L, holy shit. It's just going to be years of them screeching over sales as if that means anything other than Nintendo arrogance, isn't it? But at this rate I kind of doubt even that will keep any real momentum before long.

>>713903905
Higher lows but lower highs compared to the OG Deck.
LCD Deck goes from less than 1.5 hours to over 8 hours (I've seen 10+ in very old games), depending on what you're playing and at what settings. Switch 2 goes from a minimum of 2 hours to a maximum of 6 hours.

Generally speaking, at similar settings, LCD Deck lasts longer simply because the battery is double the size (40Wh vs. 20Wh).

>>713888812
"Lots of people eat at McDonalds so who cares that it's food is trash!"

>>713905596
>Switch 2 goes from a minimum of 2 hours to a maximum of 6 hours.
The problem with the Switch2's battery in particular is that even in games where you would expect at least 4+ hours, like MKW or even Welcome Tour, you're only getting 2.

>>713889808
>UFO bubble lines are clearly outlined on ROG
>Can see yellow background between alien head and edge of UFO bubble on ROG
>Top and bottom text boxes more clearly defined on ROG
>Vertical lines on red UFO body visible on ROG, not visible on Switch
>Can see outline of joystick in UFO cockpit on ROG

Should I go on?

>cheap smeary screen not fit for 30hz refresh rate
>cheap SoC contemporary to consoles
>cheap controllers with no hall effect
zero effort or love went into making this thing

>>713905864
Too expensive, but it is more powerful than the Deck.

>>713894343
But steam deck continues frequently selling out while walmart has Switch 2s uo the wazoo, tendie

>>713888947
>Xbox won
It's dead, Jim

>>713905984
I agree. I considered getting one instead of a Steam Deck. Ironically, I went with the Deck OLED because of it's ease of use, it's good enough internals, and its high quality screen. You know, like how Nintendo used to be 15 years ago.

I will buy a Switch 2 LCD model, and a Steam Deck 2 LCD base model in 2027 simply to piss off tendies, steamies, and OLED faggots and enjoy gaming.

>>713894343
Who cares about sales? McDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers that have fecal matter particles in them, does that make them good?

713906353
bait that weak doesn't even deserve a (You)

So it doesn't have a good screen. It doesn't have good battery life. It doesn't have revised sticks, so the issue is still there. The launch titles are lackluster, with plenty of people complaining about the biggest one (mario kart) and waiting for a game that looks like the most underwhelming 3D mario to date. A new convoluted system of sharing games. Game cards. More expensive games with no justification for it. A port of a 5 year old game that runs worse than in most platforms. What is good about this console? What is actually worth those five hundred buckatonne that can be found in this piece of plastic and fecal matter. It plays a few switch games at a higher framerate? That is it? Oh no right, "it sold a lot". Wow it sold a lot guys! It sells a lot. That's gotta be the most fun thing to do. You buy something because it sells a lot.

>>713906353
>Retard bragging about how retarded he is

Um, ok I guess?

>>713906565
Well you see anon, it has a big red N on it and the bing bing wahoo games.

Its worth noting that the switch2s display is not only worse than the deck oled, but the base deck LCD as well. The switch is worse in every conceivable way EXCEPT marginal performance gains contingent on switch 2 specific builds that cost 80 fucking dollars.

>>713883440 (OP)
I own both because I'm not poor

>>713905931
>>cheap controllers with no hall effect
>cheap
It is almost a hundred bucks, fucking gamesir chink gamepads have TMR (improved hall effect) sticks for 40 bucks.

>120Hz screen can't show 120fps
>HDR can't show HDR
>Wide Color gamut but no color management
>DLSS but can barely run a custom DLSS-lite
Switch 2 won

>>713906980
Jesús
What the fuck is wrong with this company? It really is the Apple of consoles.

>>713906980
>gulikit kk3 is a hunk of shit
>just in time for a rival faction of honkonk gamesaaars to release the Cyclone 2.
How embarassing that third party chink controllers are better by every metric AND cheaper by up to half price

>>713907032
It won over the PSP. Barely.

After tasting the oled lyfe I will never go back to lesser screens no matter what.

>>713906628
Made you angry

>>713907221
>500 dollar nintendo switch 2
>worse display than the 350 dollar lcd deck
Good fucking grief.

>>713904694
I guess by that logic watchmojo is an incredible source of accurate information.

>>713906353
>and a Steam Deck 2 LCD base model
I could see Valve doing something like that while offering a more expensive OLED at the same time.

>>713906565
>So it doesn't have a good screen
My TV does
>It doesn't have good battery life
Doesn't matter when docked
>It doesn't have revised sticks, so the issue is still there
Yeah this sucks, but it hasn't happened to me
>The launch titles are lackluster
Not really different from the original Switch which had Breath of the Wild, 1-2-Switch, and Bomberman.
>with plenty of people complaining about the biggest one (mario kart)
Valid complaints, but that's also only for one mode. Knockout Tour and Battle are still fun as hell
>waiting for a game that looks like the most underwhelming 3D mario to date
I didn't watch anything about Bonanza, I don't really like DK games
>A new convoluted system of sharing games
How is it convoluted? If you're on a family plan, you can share games with the press of a button
>Game cards
This is on 3rd party people for not wanting to optimize file sizes btw
>More expensive games with no justification for it.
Bonanza is going to be $70, like the rest of the game industry. MK being $80 standalone is because it's a big name title. I expect the inevitable Smash, Prime 4, and real 3D Mario to be $80 as well. But stuff like Kirby, Fire Emblem, or Pikmin will likely stay at $70 (again, like the rest of the game industry)
>A port of a 5 year old game that runs worse than in most platforms
No idea what game you're referring to, but anyone with a brain wouldn't buy a third party for any Nintendo console
>What is good about this console?
People asked the same question about the Switch 1 when it came out. The launch lineup was shit or available on the WiiU. But by the end of the Gen, Switch had a great library. I'm a huge Nintenfag so of course I'd just get the system day one, and I wouldn't recommend the Switch 2 to anyone except:
>People that want to play the newest Mario Kart
>Other nintenfags
>People that didn't buy a Switch 1

>>713906980
>5 stars
And this is why Nintendo has become utter ass.

>>713908048
I love how tendies went from
>but it is portable!
to
>it doesn't matter, I use it in docked mode anyways

>>713908048
>I paid 500 bucks for a handheld I don't use as a handheld, which is the whole reason the hardware is so ass, and I don't even plan to play third party games on it
Cinematic cuckoldry

Just bought the Deck. Time to see what games I want on it

>>713908265
>>713908431
>Console is advertised as a hybrid
>NOOO YOU CAN'T USE IT DOCKED BECAUSE.... WELL, YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY??
Cool

>>713883564
>rothschilds bow to the Bogdanoffs

>in contact with aliens

>rumored to possess psychic abilities

>control france with an iron fist

>own castles and banks all over the world

>direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line

>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)

>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth

>first designer babies will be Bogdanoff Babies

>both brothers said to have 200+ IQ

>ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them

>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world

>You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now

>The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church

>They learned fluent French in under a week

>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff

>The twins are 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human.

>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Bog bang to the end of the universe

>The Bogdanoffs will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love

>>713909670
>It's a hybrid guys!
>I... I just don't use it handheld because... reasons! H-haha...

End of an era

nintendo games are made for nintendo consoles only
whether the screen has 1ms 30ms or 300ms, if they make donkey kong and i want to play donkey kong, i'll do it on my switch 2
you can compare it to a steam deck or complain about it all you want, but as long as nintendo games are nintendo exclusive, none of this stuff matters.

>>713883440 (OP)
>Buying an 'eck
You are just dumb contrariando, buy a PC you fcking --groids

>buy ASUS 144hz 1ms monitor
>less than 2 years later it suddenly has horizontal lines across the screen basically rendering it useless except for maybe as a second monitor
>shitty Switch screen still works fine 10 years later

>>713910812
PC plays more Nintendo games than any of Nintendo's consoles and it is piss easy to do on the Deck. The only Nintendo game the Deck can't play is the one Nintendo just shat all over because they were upset people weren't playing Nintendo's game the way they wanted them to.

>>713910616
I work from home, why the fuck would I play it in handheld mode?

Don't really notice when I play shit, so I don't care.

>>713911089
It is a pc you fucking --mbass

>>713883440 (OP)
Does Steam Deck have Mario Kart World? Will Steam Deck have DK Bananza and Kirby Air Riders? Will it have Metroid Prime 4? Will it have the new Smash Brothers and the new Animal Crossing? Will it have the new Splatoon? What a brand new 3D Mario game and a new 3D Zelda game? Even an new 2D Mario and 2D Zelda game?

That's what I thought.

>>713911293
if pc can play all nintendo games, then why even care about the switch screen? just play on the deck lmao
i also emulate windwaker on my pc but i play MK World on Switch 2 because that's the only way to play it. how hard is that to grasp

>>713911543
Depending on how well Switch 2 emulation goes, maybe!

>>713911543
Not even Nintendo fans want Mario Kart World.

>>713911602
>can't play Nintendo games native
>have to resort to emulation and pretending that's a win
Sorry for your situation.

>>713911881
bait

>>713911881
Not even the switch 2 can run their emulated gamecube/N64 games well though. Considering it has literally 1 game that's bad.

>>713911543
>Will it have Metroid Prime 4?
yes actually

>>713903458
120Hz allows for frame sync at:
>60, 40, 30, 24, 20, etc. FPS
90Hz allows for:
>45, 30, 18 FPS
60Hz:
>30, 20
Out of all the broadcast standards, 120Hz can deliver everything except 50, whereas the other available RR can't do any.

VRR range is directly proportional to refresh rate. A higher RR gets a better VRR experience even if you're only using a fraction of the max FPS.

If you want to do BFI or "stride" frames (dropping 1 of X frames to reach a FPS higher than Hz/2), then the possibilities are even higher with a 120Hz display.

It's a good technical decision from Nintendo that allows devs a variety of target output FPS.

I have to laugh at the Deck comparisons. The Deck is stuck with a woeful upscaling solution and completely shit VRR. The OLED screen will look better displaying a static image, or a perfectly done 90 FPS game, which is rare as fuck for the Deck.

>>713911881
>native games
>no romhacks, no mods, no fast forward, no customisation whatsoever
oh no... the elusive native experience of being a slave... however will i cope...

>console is out for weeks
>not a single mention of ghosting anywhere
>suddenly every youtube gifting channel that spent the past month crying about switch 2 all release a video about screen ghosting at the same time

>>713911995
It can though. They play fine. Only a speed running troon is gonna notice the input latency on a regular basis. Yeah, I've seen the soul Calibur 2 clip. I have also played a lot of it on Switch 2 for myself and it just isn't a problem when playing the game. Most people don't notice input latency unless a machine tells them it's there.

>>713911970
When did pointing out factual information become bait?

>>713903623
I noticed it as soon as I was scrolling through my games on the home screen, and to double check I then played Super Mario Bros on NSO where it sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>713911881
>>can't play Nintendo games native
Neither can the Switch2 lol

>>713889061
Same and they had the gall to promise not to release revisions soon. Then they changed their mind and said well technically it's not a steam deck 2 weasling out of their promise. But it's better than the base deck in every way.

>>713912045
>It's a good technical decision
It's a shit decision that comes at the expense of something far more important.

>>713911317
Normies are just bitching because it was successful, notice the handheld he decided to use was a Rog Ally. Isn't that the same handheld Microsoft is using?

>>713884384
Ah that explains why I couldnt really tell when my ally was doing 120 instead of 90 or so.

>>713893483
>N-nobody cares!
>I base my purchase decisions on the consensus of Nintendo cattle!

Lol

>>713912432
>I don't notice input latency so nobody else does and it ABSOLUTELY shouldn't brought up ever
Are you 70 years old?

>>713912432
>if you hold nintendo accountable for pennypinching people in their massively profitable ecosystem you're a tranny

>>713889128
>its no problem that the giant fucking screen thats 90% the size of the entire console is shit

>>713884847
can anyone explain what am I supposed to see here?

>>713912045
Literally all you need is 60 and 30, fuck off

>>713913149
>I base my purchase decisions on the consensus of fags who dress as wizard for youtube!

>>713893935
It really is real.
If you cant see it in real life, I'm happy for you, but its the number 1 reason my Swoled is still my daily handheld and my switch 2 is a tv console

>>713913452
Nope, still here

>>713913353
see>>713897295 and >>713889808

>>713913452
No net really how it works.
Say your game cant hit 60. In the old days your only other option was 30. So maybe your game could run perfectly fine at 50, but because it has to sync to screens, you'd be stuck with 30.
With vrr you could run the game at 52 and it would look fine. And a drop from 60 to 57 wouldnt be noticable, but without vrr it goes to the next logical step and thats 30

>companies mostly release "fast IPS" panels that have NATIVE response times under 10ms, and overdrive reduces those even further
>switch 1 and SD have 20ms response times as is usual for an older style IPS with no OD
>switch 2 manages 33ms in the year 2025 against all odds, and OD would be insignificant on the battery due to voltages being so minor

how? Did they specifically go out of their way to buy/create slowest panel tech available?

>>713912432
I assume you mean this clip. It doesn't even do it justice.

https://youtu.be/4MDpzGZBnH8
It's about 8:20 into the video. Listen for when he presses (the "click" sound) then notice how long it takes to respond. That was just ONE aspect of this video where it shows much more wrong than just input lag on menus, but I think it's mainly a problem when playing with others online rather than you playing alone or with CPU VS mode.

>>713883440 (OP)
Consoles suck ass, handhelds suck ass. Combining the two suck dick from a dirty ass.
Who the fuck plays these awkward bricks outside anyway. They have the battery life of a bananafly.

>>713883440 (OP)
Wait I got a cool few ones on my phone.
I could tell it the second I used one.
This one is pretty bad

>>713914039
I boughted them to play around the house so I don't have to sit in front of the pc all day, and I rec doing this to anyone who's a work from home wageslave like me

>>713914076

>news that PS5s are literally melting and breaking down is getting out
>suddenly massive astroturfing campaign about supposed ghosting on the switch 2
hmmmm

>>713914268
its bad to the point where a better company might issue a revision with better panel and offer to replace the display for people who bought the old shitty switch 2

>>713914268
Yeah, bad news for two consoles at a time couldnt happen at all!

>>713914268
then make a thread for it?
surely the few remaining snoys that got buckbroken by PC will care to argue with you

>>713888939
>That difference from Deck LCD to Deck OLED
Goddamn. Hope the Deck 2 has OLED out of the gate so I don't have to wait.

>>713914076
>>713914228
tendies will be like "I don't notice this at all" but that's only because their eyes have been used to 15 fps dogshit their entire life

>>713883440 (OP)

>>713914397
>nintendo
>offering anything for free at all
lol
lmao

>>713914654
case in point >>713914725

>>713914739
they are actually guilty of false advertising when it comes to a lot of things

They advertise HDR capable display : the display is an IPS with no local dimming
They advertise 120hz : the pixel response time is so bad any 120 fps content would have 4 frames of ghosting. actual 120hz displays like rog ally x has 8ms response time to function as advertised
They advertise vrr : works only on welcome tour and 3rd party games cant mange to implement it

>>713913452
dumb faggot, fuck off

>>713914970
>s-s-s-switch 2 existing is a crime!!! its false advertising!!!!
is this the cope for the week?

>>713911317
Why would you pay $500 for a weaker console than the Series S if not for the handheld gimmick?

>>713915048
It's a handheld with dogshit battery, that's what nintendo should have prioritized you snoy faggot

>>713915183
okay heres the bare minimum when a company says "Im selling you 120hz HDR display"
1: it has pixel response time that allows the pixels to change fast enough 120 times a second, so about 7-8ms max, lower is better.
2: its either OLED, or its ips/VA with local dimming that allows it to reach 1k nit + bright highlights while other parts of the screen are black

neither, buy a Asus Rog Ally. update drivers, debloat it with wintoys, install pc version of steam. game native your old 2d and 3d games, run emulation and finally use Apollo to stream your demanding PC games from you PC desktop via stream/wifi

>>713914725
Tendrones have been shitting the board with how powerful Switch 2 will be/is since the reveal. Now that the device has been tested and is proven to be worse and they suddenly all forgot all the spam they have made up to this point.

>>713914970
Switch 2 fulfills the retarded technical qualifications for the VESA HDR standard. It is a very stupid standard but any objection about it will get shut down hard in any legal venue. Neither Nintendo nor VESA have anything to say about local contrast for HDR10.

Nintendo does have a 120Hz display. Whether the display updates fast is a seperate issue. Again, "guilty of false advertising" isn't going to happen.

Nintendo (actually, Nvidia) implemented VRR and if devs can't figure it out that's a bummer, but not a legal problem for Nintendo. They must be some shit devs, because the T239 has been available for about a year and works as intended everywhere else.

deckshills are desperate, but as expected, all that shilling was useless since the switch 2 already outsold in 4 days the 3 years of steam deck sales

>hylics
switch
>psychics
steamdeck
>pneumatics
rog ally

>>713915496
>More literal cow shit is consumed in India than vegetables in US.

>>713915496
Now Nintendo will rape you even harder knowing full well just how stupid you are, congratulations!

>>713915184
>Why would you pay $500 for a weaker console than the Series S
Switch 2 is equal to Series S. You also get more RAM on the Switch 2 than you get with the Series S. Also DLSS. So anyone trying to say the Switch 2 can't compete and that it won't get GTA VI don't know what they're talking about.

>>713915496
>tendies identify with clueless uninformed children
i hope you're reposting that unironically

>>713915479
you can very reasonable explain to a judge what the consumer expectations are when those terms are flung about. HDR on Oled and ips are not the same and equating them is misleading to the consumer

Then when consumers go onto buy monitors with x amount of hz they expect some sort of clarity as the pixel response times are inherently tied to what kinda hz the monitor can push and work as expected. No one would release a 500hz ips gaming monitor with 20ms response times and not expect to be sued for example.

>>713915704
It will absolutely not get GTA6.

>>713915864
Good luck with your class action

>>713915704
>Switch 2 is equal to Series S
>Switch 2 will get GTA VI

>>713915704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVMAYEb-3rI
What the fuck are you smoking?

>deckshills are getting progressively more desperate and insecure with the switch 2 massive sales not only already outselling YEARS of deck sales but also still selling out within minutes and nintendo apologizing for not being able to meet demand despite it already being the fastest selling console in history

>>713916334
you may not know this but eating cow feces is really good for you
it's rates of consumptions in india are off the charts, you dont wana be left out do you?

>>713916334
>desperate
people are laughing at you for buying something this cheaply made and sold at a massive markup

>>713916443
you can only fool yourself, people who can afford things don't have to pretend everything is "cow feces"

>>713916334
that kinda proves most of the population are legit npcs tbqh

>>713916334
Really like how the only argument tendies have are sales figures. They seethe every day that nearly every third party ignores them.

>>713889061
I almost bought an OLED but then I realized I don't even play games anymore

>>713915917
>>713916208
Explain why Street Fighter VI looks as good as the Series S version then.

>>713916610
you can also use oled to watch anime
tho some panning scenes may be more enjoyable to see on switch 2 display with its native motion blur

>>713916334
Enjoy having Nintendo bend you over. You get the dicking you paid for.

>bad screen
>bad SoC
>bad controllers
>bad battery life
nintendo should be forced to go multiplat at this point

>>713916773
You forget
>will outsell the ps2 and be lauded as the best console ever made

Nintendo keeps getting richer and you keep getting poorer
it's no surprise you're so bitter at success and seeing other people actually afford video games

>>713916894
more like best console to emulate in your schizo scenario
the native experience has no value with how shit everything about it is

>>713916894
Good god you people are deranged. Curb your fucking autism.

>>713917075
you sure know about schizo scenarios

>>713916729
It's completely off topic but the Vision Pro is downright, fucking stupendous for watching anime. I have no idea why Apple doesn't lean into this, maybe they just don't want to be associated with anime or something, but it's by far the best way to watch. 3 grand is a bit rich but there's supposedly a cheaper version coming.

>>713916495

>>713917286
>no you see the console is good you just have to replace the controller and the screen and pretend it's a different type of console

>>713884384
>Ally X has fastest response times for LCDs
>also hamstrung by 60Hz measurement when it can really go twice as fast
>OLED crazy fast but no VRR means in practice it’s a bad experience
Glad I made the right choice
OLED + VRR handhelds never soon enough

>>713917286
Sony found another 2 million ps2's in a warehouse in brazil so it remains best selling console of all time forever and ever.
>and they ill find another million if they have to

Switch 2 has nintendo exclusives so it's worth more. What can I do on a deck that I can't on PC? fucking nothing

>>713892954
>Literally no one cares about this.
No, you being myopic does not mean literally no one cares about this.

Question: do you know why most VA monitors are not recommended if you plan on playing videogames? Because of their poor pixel responses times, particularly their very slow black shift time. This means that with VA monitors, there's a very noticeably and annoying ghosting smearing trail behind the color black.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAxIGPdUVVA or https://youtu.be/nfd1eCUUD_0?si=l9q7rLV0-hSfCftU&t=491
This is why very slow panels with awful pixel response times are not recommended.

The Switch 2's panel is incredibly slow, slower than any LCD monitor in many years including VAs - except it's slow with basically all the colors, not just black shifting.

Going from a good IPS or even an OLED to the Switch 2's display is like toggling heavy motion blur on.

>>713914268
Every time Sony or Microsoft fucks up, they pay everyone to either shit on Nintendo or Valve.

>>713918221
>valve
aww tendie thinks he's in with the pc people after all the steam deck crying even in this thread

>>713915442
>Tendrones have been shitting the board with how powerful Switch 2 will be/is since the reveal
let's be real here, do you really think they care about this stuff? can you even imagine what kind of magic nintendo will be able to pull off with 5X hardware power?

>>713884847
this was not acceptable 10 years ago. nintendo should be ashamed

>>713916334
>tendies are getting progressively more desperate and insecure with the decks massive game library so they cope with sales figures.

>>713884925
>>imagine not buying a switch oled for the most important test you will do for the next 5 years
monitors unboxed usually only talks about monitors, not handhelds

>>713914490
>he doesn't think Nintendo will just undercut them with a Switch 2 OLED within the same year.

>>713918534
>undercut them
by the time deck 2 is out switch 2 will have emulation out of all the spite it gathered

>switch users: "that looks crystal clear!"

>>713887716
quiet ninkiddies, adults are speaking

>>713918036
This is the "thing" for me. I've got a few thousand $ PC that can play anything. Granted, I can't play it in bed or on the couch. But control schemes for most PC games assume a KBM setup anyway, so I'd have to fuck around with input settings and my experience with that is bad. I've never even thought of getting a Deck despite a huge Steam catalog.

But I love my SWOLED. Comfy as fuck, consistently quality games. It would be kind of weird to play TOTK on my PC without the gyro aim or the touchscreen. Yes, it costs more than the hardware within might suggest. But a few hundred dollars really isn't a problem for me.

They (PC/Switch) are just two equally good ways to play. I don't mond having both, but if you have a PC then I can't see a reason for the Deck at all.

>>713888947
naw, steam deck oled won

>>713889061
>reminds me of how hard I got owned for buying the LCD one on release
I told you bro to wait. no oled, no buy

>>713917286
The only cope here are tendies hiding behind their salesfagging as their last line of defense as each and every one of their arguments get systematically debunked as time goes on.
Yes, everyone knows the switch 2 is going to sell like hotcakes, that doesn't make it a good console. It just means that mainstream lowest common denominator retards are mindless consumers, just like everyone else who buys the yearly cod/fifa.

>people who've never seen a switch 2 irl trying to convince people who actually own it and use it every day that it's bad because clickbait farming media told them
that is actually being an npc

>>713918146
VA is SHIT but your webm (and post) is disingenuous. That effect has nothing to do with pixel response times. That's due to normal (as in, a 90 degree angle) black values. VA loses blacks when viewed head-on (normal, 90 degs), and curved (your webm) is the worse case because the "head-on" angle is extended.

>>713918036
lol

>>713918998
>tendies insisting on "muh real world performance" when you can view very clear real life comparisons that only outs them as clueless retards

>>713919247
see >>713903623

>ITT: Nintroons on suicide watch

>>713919436
>it doesn't count because launch tendies with criminally low standards didn't notice it! NO TAKESIES BACKSIES UR A STINKY POO POO

>>713918998
I dont own a switch 2 because I know from using lcd portables for 30 years of my life that lcd sucks ass. not having oled nowadays is unacceptable

>>713919436
see >>713904093

remember this? how did it end? with 152 million sales and now going stronger than ever

>>713918783
>But control schemes for most PC games assume a KBM setup anyway, so I'd have to fuck around with input settings
Thousand dollar PC but doesn't know that controllers have been plug and play for the last 15 years.

>>713919658
see >>713904580

>>713919687
>product selling well means it's good
shit i guess gacha really is better than nintendo shit
or are you willing to be an adult and discuss things on a deeper level

>>713919687
>it doesn't matter if the console is dogshit, itll sell millions anyway!
not an argument

>>713919812
The juggernaut success of the Nintendo Switch is the biggest prolonged nonstop assfucking this board has ever endured.

>>713918783
People have been using controllers on PC for years now. Basically nobody plays Souls or other popular action games on M&KB. Everyone I know who games on PC has a controller.

>>713919773
>>713919812
see >>713917286
you losers already admitted that bad products sell like shit
nintendo won and you lost

>>713919687
marvel capeshit sells well

>>713919068
How about non-curved scenarios then, from a different angle?

>>713919769
>digital foundry is a rando
Sorry, I probably should have listened to MarioHugeFan64 instead for his input on the switch 2's performance instead (his only point of reference is the switch 1)

>>713918998
No, it's people on Switch OLED that are pissed that Switch 2 screen is a downgrade. Not everyone wants to wait years until Switch 2 OLED hits the market.

>>713919947
>see this post from a decade ago
tendies changed the game, quality no longer matters
which is why you'd fucking die before you came up with literally any positive things to say about your toys if you were shot for mentioning sales

>>713883440 (OP)
Why not just play gaymes on a laptop?

>>713919924
we are talking about the switch 2

switch one is good. switch 2 is dogshit

>>713919719
>PC for 15 years(?) but never had to tweak stick sens or fake gyro or play without autoaim on a pad
C'mon man

>have switch 1 lcd
>have steam deck lcd
>have switch 2

Works well enough for me.

>>713894502
lmao tard

>>713919947
>nintendo won and you lost
ok? I was on team nintendo last gen, but I'm not buying the shitch 2

DEFEND IT SHILLS DEFEND IT

>>713918998
>because clickbait farming media told them
In this case the "clickbait farming media" offer thoroughly tested comparisons between competing and similar screens, and the Switch 2's screen is far worse than all the screens that were criticized for being shit.

>>713920189
>ignorance is bliss

You know what's sadder? Even OLED isn't really good for motion clarity yet, and this is one of the worst disasters in modern video game technology. CRTs are still better at representing motion than all the alternatives we have at our disposal. At least under normal conditions (it's possible that a 240hz OLED will finally achieve motion clarity comparable to any low-budget television from the 1990s).

>>713916334
>Nintendo sells well
>Sales matter
>Nintendo doesn't sell well
>Sales don't matter
>Nintendo has great battery
>Battery life matters
>Nintendo has crappy battery
>Battery life doesn't matter
>Nintendo has good graphics
>Graphics matter
>Nintendo doesn't have good graphics
>Graphics don't matter
>...
>the opposite applies to anything that isn't Nintendo
By the way, selling 3.5 million shitches to tendies and children with no standards is not a fucking accomplishment. With all of Nintendo's bullshit jewery it'll end up like the PS3.

Friendly reminder that Valve has:
>repeatedly sold out the deck
>revived the UMPC market
>made Linux gaming good
>has shipped out their Linux distro to other products, lighting a fire under microsoft's ass

>but... but muh ngage sales
Every market has its early adopters. It's literally only a matter of time and refinement.

>>713920438
>Even OLED isn't really good for motion clarity yet
I'm pretty sure 0.3ms qualifies as near-instantanous which I think is good enough. Honestly everything below 15ms qualifies as good enough.

>Some people aren't sensitive to these issues so they can't pick up on this.
This means that Switch 2 trannies are too retarded to notice the blatant downgrade kek.

>>713920167
>switch one is good

Ah how times change. Now Switch is no longer a threat to you. Switch 2 is a bigger better Switch btw.

I still can't believe how well the Switch 2 sold after every fucking Youtuber telling people not to buy it.
They really are the Jewish mafia of gaming.
t. Never owned a Switch

>>713920305
Cool cartoon bro

>>713883440 (OP)
>206K subscribers 273 views 6 minutes ago
ai post

>>713921012
It is. Why does it look better on 8 year old hardware?

>>713921240
Switch 2less troons be seething every day. Only 18 days until Donkey Kong.

>>713921393
Donkey Kong would look better on a Switch 1 btw.

>>713921601
Switch 2less troons be seething every day. Only 18 days until Donkey Kong.

>>713921684
>still image

>>713921838
>still coping.

>>713921684
>tendies need to repost the oled fud image to defend switch 2

>>713919947
The ones losing are Nintendo fans and it's sad and pathetic you're incapable of acknowledging that obvious fact.

>>713921684

>>713884847
CRT is the only one that doesn't job for the silly UFO image and nobody is using CRTs anymore. I think this whole drama is stupid.

>>713922069
Nice cartoon bro.

>>713920542
>shitches
You can't resist exposing yourself can ya?

>>713922160
>the one on the bottom reflects more
kekarooo even the 3ds mogs the shitch 2

at this point switch 2 owners who are out of the refund window are shit out of luck, but at least we can now post the response time charts and ward anyone thinking about buying a handheld away from buying switch 2

shame nintendo is such a freak of a company

>>713920939
Launches always sell well. The only real difference here was nintendo had enough to meet demand after sitting on them for so long. The real test are the holidays and seeing if there's momentum.

>>713915184
For the exclusives
>But but but PC
I want to play games when they come out without any issues. I'm not gonna wait on whoever to make a fix for whatever emulator eventually comes out, I'm gonna take a day off of work and play for a few hours.

>>713922527
If you're dumb enough to have bought a switch 2 already you're a big enough tendie to have FOMO over being barred from playing mario kart and other various bing bing releases. I dont think anyone has buyers remorse yet, everyone else will happily wait for a OLED models because they dont give a shit about the majority of Nintendo shovelware and just want the new zelda or smash in 4-5 years.

>>713918783
why aren't you streaming it? You can stream your PC directly onto your steam deck?

>>713922402
>only one person can say a word in my schizo headcanon
Cool beans nintensnoy

>>713922069
lmao poorfag cope

>>713923113
It's about three different obsessed schizos

>>713883440 (OP)
I thought Advertising and E-begging was against the rules? Fuck off!

>>713920939
wow, it's like gaming youtubers don't fucking matter at all or something

>>713923421
I agree mods need to ban all nintendo ebegging threads from the site

>>713883440 (OP)
How are these threads allowed to be posted on /v/?

>>713889061
You got fomo'ed sir

>>713922158
OLED has better motion clarity than CRT (No phosphor decay trails). The motion blur you see is actually biological constraints of human eye. If you blink fast during UFO test you can see perfectly rendered individual frames even on IPS.

>>713923523
>>713923421
People are actually discussing consoles

>>713922527
>>713923052
>I am a pitiful schizophrenic that needs to WARN people
Yeah

>>713923760
who'd want innocent consumers buying defective hardware?

>>713923706
In the wrong type of thread. Try again without begging for views

>>713889061
same, its extra annoying because they are taking fucking forever to release the next one and because i was cheap i bought the 64gb model which is now having issues because the storage is too small and is constantly being filled with system shit.

>>713923891
Nice try, wannabe janny. Glad your application got rejected.

>>713923523
Video games. Just like the deck is video games even though tendies tried to get it kicked to /v/.
If console cockriding generals like famitsu threads can exist, then so can these.

>>713923523
I agree, Nintendo should send the lawyers to terminate this thread ASAP.

>>713924024
>tried to get it kicked to /v/.
*/g/

>>713924024
>tendies tried to get it kicked to /v/
Freudian slip schizo!
>If console cockriding generals like famitsu threads can exist, then so can these.
How is weekly hard data a "console cockriding general" console warrior?

>>713924312
idunno, how about the fact that all tendies ever talk about is hardware sales?

>>713924312
>Freudian slip schizo!
You don't even know what that means.
>How is weekly hard data a "console cockriding general" console warrior?
If you're seriously asking that, you are the problem. Those threads are pure shitposting and corporate dickriding and if everyone in them got rangebanned the board would improve immensely. And how do sales matter more to games than how you actually play and experience those games?

>>713923594
>OLED has better motion clarity than CRT
That's false. Most OLEDs have worse motion clarity than CRTs, especially at 60Hz. There are several articles, even scientific ones, explaining why.

>>713920558
Response time isn't the only factor at play here. If you have an OLED screen, chances are that its motion clarity at 60fps is considerably worse than a CRT.