Thread 713934860

Game preservation IS video games

"Stop Killing Games" is a consumer movement started to challenge the legality of publishers destroying video games they have sold to customers. An increasing number of video games are sold effectively as goods - with no stated expiration date - but designed to be completely unplayable as soon as support from the publisher ends. This practice is a form of planned obsolescence and is not only detrimental to customers, but makes preservation effectively impossible. Furthermore, the legality of this practice is largely untested in many countries.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

I don't care.

>>713934920
Cared enough to post

>>713934860 (OP)
-ACK!

Are jannies deleting these threads again? Your OP makes it seem like it.

Jannies, these threads should be allowed for the next month, you faggots. Even if it has some kiwitroons in, this is actually important and relevant to games. More relevant than the AIslop you allow.

Stop being faggots.

>>713934952
it's over 600k now ;)

>>713934920
i don't see why anyone would seriously care, so you're alright in my book

Much like the state of games, it seems jannies clean these threads completely arbitrarily. Last one had barely any e-celeb talk, no more shit flinging than usual and there was even positivity over the idea of smaller budget but riskier games coming back.
I don't get it.

>>713935021
>Are jannies deleting these threads again?
Yes, they are.
>Stop being faggots
+1

>>713935119
Nonstop culture war slop and AIslop but jannies decide to crack down on something that is actually doing some good for once. The absolute fucking state of this website. Someone go bitch about it to their discord or whatever.

>>713934860 (OP)
yeah, I think I'll listen to the game developer

>>713935418
Yeah you should
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zblBt9XzWoo

>>713935384
Listen, coomer thread died for this, it's unacceptable.
VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION? ON 'MY' BOARD?

>>713934860 (OP)
>600k eukeks begging for the government's fist in their ass

>>713935418
software developer
https://youtu.be/xAVNxAVal1U

>>713935418
>game developer
Do you mean the one who has been developing an undertale clone for 8 years?

>>713935658
Why is she saluting Super Earth

>>713935074
The new staff is full of jeets, that's why you see all these pajeets shilling PirateSoyftware

>>713934860 (OP)

Sorry but the site is pro-Pirate Software. Or at least the staff is.

Every other mainstream site is subtly sabotaging it as well, so go scream in the hills alone. The bad guys won.

>>713935021
this
these threads are more about video games than 80% of all other threads on /v/

Before this thread gets nuked: krautland hit 200%

>>713935976
I will scream with other /v/irgins on this hill until our voices shake the earth.

Never forget that the IRC leaks revealed some janny posted CP on one of the SKG threads to kill it

>>713936195
Place the best, whose next: Netherlands or Denmark?

Campaign aside, its funny how Ross is such a famous and prolific vidya content creator on youtube, and hes well know by all the big names in the site, yet hes still stuck at 350k subs

>>713936214
I knew about the pizza being posted but never heard about a janny doing it.

BARBOSABROS

WE'RE ALMOST THERE

I CANNOT BELIEVE MY EYES

IT'S BEAUTIFUL

>>713936195
other countries need to catch up in terms of the absolute number of signatures

>>713936205
Based. We're in this together, brother!

>>713936380
Finland is doing their best with nearly 1 in 200 people signing.

>>713936463
atleast the big countries like France, Spain, Italy and Poland. I think those are the biggest after Germany.

>>713936661
Why does Italy have so few signatures per capita?

>>713936321
getting subscribers seems to be a function of how long you've been on the site unless you hit some critical moment where the algo favors you, and then it starts snowballing I guess

>>713936792
I've heard that Italy has some problem with their form where they need to use an older ID number to sign up or something

>>713936805
Ross has been around since the Machinima days so it's not a time thing either.
I think it's just that you have to get used to Ross way of thinking and video style, which isn't for everyone. Not everyone is ready for the deep conversations like Eggman potentially ruining the world economy with his robots building robots being technically a one man operation and thus no labor laws apply.

>>713936792
Too busy makin da spagett, just like when the titanic happened and no one in Italy gave a shit / knew it had happened

>0.33% of the potato nigger population has signed
That's a lot more than I thought.

>>713936792
everyone in Italy is over the age of 60

I just saw in my recommendeds that Destiny is talking about it. Not that I would click it because I don't like him, but that's showing it's getting out there right?

>>713934860 (OP)
There's a reason janny rhymes with tranny, you know

>>713937478
Because they both end in "anny"?

Even though they fucked up Postal 4, I am glad that RWS is part of this and openly showed support. More developers, as in actual developers, need to do this because I doubt any developer worth their salt would like to see their games destroyed.
The Crew developers even supported Ross.

>>713937956
Both kikes that should fucking die

>>713934860 (OP)
Burn

>>713936792
we are not interested in videogames

Eceleb threads are off topic

>>713937976
Developers who support SKG are mind-broken into not valuing their own intellectual property. Any developer who actually respects themselves and their property rights would absolutely be Pro Killing Games.

>>713935517
this guy worked on warcraft 3 too
thor BTFO

>>713938357
A player being able to play a game isn't IP theft, it's being able to play the fucking game
What's the most important part of a game? Being able to fucking play it.

>>713937976
But the so-called ex-Blizzard dev piratesoftware says that all the devs are actually against it and hundreds of them have contacted him to thank him for publicly speaking out against the initiative

>>713938493
Does he ever give any examples like Ross has?

>>713935418
>the qa beta tester
Lol

>>713938493
>But the so-called ex-Blizzard dev piratesoftware says that all the devs are actually against it and hundreds of them have contacted him to thank him for publicly speaking out against the initiative

>>713938548
He says, devs can't publicly speak out against it because they would risk to get fired as this could lead to a PR nightmare. Thats why they will only go to him and thank him for doing it.

>>713935021
No, the jannies are industry goons who are addicted to AAA slop and want the industry to crash because they just can't stop spending 60 on unfinished garbage. It's my understanding that there is one / was one that does TF2 trading, most jannies belong in a group home, but that one definitely does. If they just sticked it up to the deadline, they could just move on with their lives.

>>713938705
>Won't speak out against it because PR nightmare
I wonder why....

>>713938481
Being able to deny access to content is a fundamental right to the owner of that content. A player being able to keep playing a game after the IP owner wishes to cut off access undermines the IP owner's property rights.

>>713938745
It's still hilarious to me that pretty much every Valve game is SKG compatible, even something like Artifact or Underlords.

>>713938745
Why are SKG shills like you so dishonest? Your threads are off topic spam shilling for some eceleb. They have always been against the rules.

>>713936157
what calculation did you use to reach that percentage?

>>713938829
Let's take this to the logical conclusion, Microsoft should be able to shut down your OS remotely for any (or no) reason?

>>713938837
Artifact is not SKG compatible because it requires a connection to the Steam item servers to be playable. But every other Valve game is self-contained and can be played without connection to a central server.

>>713938313
wtf i love italy now

Why is there always some fags being pissed about this? Why do they hate consumer rights? Just being contrarian or what?

>>713938842
>Talking about Ross
What is there to talk about with him? There are literal industry plants trying to shoot down your consumer rights, eye on the ball, retard.

>>713938986
Actually fair enough, I didn't think that far for it.

>>713938997
the same reason people get mad about twitter screencap threads.

>>713938986
They couldn't just give an SDK to the community for server hosting tools? Or potentially set it up for LAN?

>>713938974
Yes. It is a necessary concession to maintain the integrity of private property. Owners of property need to be able to deny others access to their property at any time for any (or no) reason.

>>713938842
>Your threads are off topic
go to the Dall-E thread and go complain there. that AI slop that gets spammed there is way more offtopic than this thread

>>713939147
So how do I, a consumer, gain property?

>>713938997
I want to say its bait but /v/ has had a growing shill presence for what, 10 years?

>>713939259
Anyone have the screencap of the EA shill exposing himself from I think 2013 or so?

>>713939125
They theoretically could and frankly should have figured out a way to make Artifact SKG compatible when they officially dropped support, but didn't for some reason.

With Artifact, the problem is that your cards are stored entirely in Steam item servers. If for whatever reason you can't connect to the item servers, the game detects you as having zero cards and prevents you from doing anything, rendering it unplayable.

Euroids, Amerifats need your help on this, the cuckstate will not pass a law on this because it doesn't explicitly worship Israel, but if you vote, your market is large enough to potentially sway the global market to move towards more consumer protections, like with the iPhone charger.

>>713939257
Buy it for obscene amounts of money, or create your own.

>>713939497
I mean duh, if this passes in the EU then it would be rolled out globally. There would be no reason to ever region lock this and if they did then a European version of the game would be available to torrent.

>>713939534
But don't I need property of others to create? In terms of games, a computer, an OS, some sort of text editor at the bare minimum?

>>713938974
>>713939147
>I'm supposed to read this, agree with it, and think that its good that my OS can be shut down

>>713939614
They don't understand the power they wield right now, the EU has the infrastructure to bring some techno feudal lords to heel, *occasionally*, it is immensely useful to mankind, contrary to common belief.

>>713939620
Yes. You can use other people's property to create your own property.

>>713939497
KYS. You are the same as Hilary Clinton going to Europe and asking them to censor online speech because America can't.

i still don't understand how people are so sure this will pass once it reach its goal, the commission its obliged to discuss it but not making it into law and considering the sheer number of lobbyist in the eu and the possible implications of this going outside the videogame sphere and into the digital market as a whole, this has basically 0% chance of passing, i guess you can try anyway though

>>713939821
But what if they decide to rescind it? I won't be able to create property then.

>>713939784
Yeah, the EU is cancer in many ways but when it comes to consumer rights then they're one of the best things in the world.

>>713939863
I would much rather know for sure the world is fucked rather than be trapped in a legal grey area for all eternity.

>>713939853
Hillary Clinton would never give something to poor ppl lol

>>713939863
The EU is very pro consumer and they will force corporations to be less kikey. I believe in the EU you technically own a digital game rather than it being a licence but in practice it's the same thing. This initiative could be the thing that finally pushes the EU to make digital goods something you actually own

>>713939686
That is what property rights means. Not just your OS being remotely shut down, stuff like your bank account being frozen, your electricity or gas or water being turned off, and so on. Private owners of property have every right to deny others access to their property for any (or no) reason, at any time.

(Sidenote: I am aware that a lot of electricity, gas, and water is publicly owned property rather than privately owned property, probably because people are afraid of private owners shutting off access for no reason without warning.)

>>713939863
>i still don't understand how people are so sure this will pass once it reach its goal
the only thing that is certain is that the initiative will achieve nothing if it does not reach 1 million signatures. if it gets over 1 million signatures, everything is possible.

>>713939906
That's all I'm asking for. Anyone with sense would want this protection with the way everyone is getting nickel and dimed.

>>713940080
>The EU is very pro consumer
AKA woke and communist

>>713940137
I already understand your argument. I'm just trying to understand why you think people are going to read it and say "Gee, I SHOULDN'T sign the SKG petition".

>>713939956
as i said one can try anyway, its just that for now this is laying low because for now its just talking about videgames and most people don't give a shit about them but the moment this actually goes through and lobbyist take a look at this its quite easy to see the implications for the "license system" in general if this were to pass, most of the current digital service market is based on the license model, lobbyists will immediately think is this pass for games it could pass for every other thing (music, movies, streaming, software etc.) and they will make a coalition between eachother

>>713940221
Why are mutts like this?

>I will give you this copy of my IP in exchange for your money. The only thing I ask for is that you don't claim the IP as a whole is yours and don't profit off of it. Anything you do with it is up to you.
>Sounds reasonable

>This is communism to some people.

>>713940248
If the shills got to them first.
>>713940221
Low effort bait

>>713940209
>>713939784
>>713939497
This mutt is aight tho, he a good ameribro

>>713940080
>The EU is very pro consumer and they will force corporations to be less kikey
its quite funny to see people don't understanding the EU, not even a little bit, most of the laws pro consumers were passed in periods were the EU was at odds with America and the best way to hit America its to hit its own companies in retaliation, right know though with the tariffs and all i'm not seeing future pro consumer laws on the horizon, unless we go to a true tariff war

I hate how sometimes it is ignored that developers can be consumers as well.
I'm sure developers themselves when a game they enjoy gets shut down for no reason.

>>713940248
At the risk of derailing this into off-topic political shit flinging, it's because the sanctity of private property is the foundation of capitalism, while communism seeks to abolish private property. If you are a serious pro-capitalist and anti-communist, you have to take a hard line stance on private property rights, even for something so "trivial" as video games, because video games are a type of software, and software runs the modern world.

>>713940398
It is communism because it undermines private property rights.

>>713940621
>Capitalism is when you buy something but don't own it

>>713940538
Exactly, and we have never been more at odds. Hit us in the pockets, goddammit, it's the only thing they feel.

>>713940621
In an all or nothing world, you only get nothing

>>713940696
You buy and own a license of access to the property, not ownership of the property. In order to maintain the integrity of the ownership of the property, that license of access needs to be revokable.

>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT
>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.
>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT
>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.
>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?
>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.

Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.

>>713940621
If I'm getting this right, you are saying the only reason this hasn't happened in the past is because there was no reasonable method to enforce private property with physical goods, but it is possible now in the age of remote, interconnected technology?
You are saying if it was possible that my books would go up in flames on author or, god forbid, publisher whims?

>>713940808
There is a thing in law, even American law, of unfair contractual agreements, correct? Those usually don't get tested until a real world challenge of them appears.

>>713940621
>Personal ownership of a good acquired with capital is LE GOMMUNISM
Pack it up, fag nuts.

>>713940808
Holy shit I knew that a lot of dev shitkids kicked around here, but holy fuck, you retards roll DEEP.

>>713940817
>You are saying if it was possible that my books would go up in flames on author or, god forbid, publisher whims?
That is figuratively happening already with ebooks.

>>713940798
>You buy and own a license of access to the property
This is completely useless and not necessary for making and selling a game, so already that raises questions.

>>713940621
Copyright is a goverment enforced monopoly and is communism

The very idea that you don't own a digital good is insanity.

>>713941065
It's not Marxism when they relocate billions of dollars through the government to bail out hemorrhaging banks.

>>713941126
You could call it... Virtual Insanity.

>>713941065
>>713941159
Communism is not government intervention, communism is the abolition of private property. A government enforcing a monopoly ownership is capitalism. A government bailing out a company is not communism, a government buying out and owning a company is communism.

>>713941126
A digital good is a license of access to content. You own the license, not the content.

How do you have a take on markets more dogshit than lolbertarians and ancaps? At least they understand the exchange of subjective value.

>>713941267
Kill yourself, industry shill, I hope whatever festering corpo body you're a part of IMPLODES with sexual assault allegations, you WORTHLESS FUCKS.

>>713941401
>I need government thugs to keep shitty games online forever

It's just not a position that stands up to a minute of scrutiny

>>713941513
It should be up to me and me alone if a game is to be played. What is for the good of others or other opinions on it are spooks. It should be my choice if I choose to play the game again today, tomorrow, 10, 20, 30, 100 years later or never. It is my choice on what I do with what is mine, because I choose to have it as mine and the interference of outside forces shall not infringe upon that
>Communist
lmao marx wrote more about his refutation of The Ego and It's Own than did for his actual ideology.

>>713941513
There is no way for you to oppose this and look organic, clap your head with bricks.

>>713941267
Yes, that's the insanity.

>>713934920
then go fuck around a different thread

>>713941267
>A digital good is a license of access to content. You own the license, not the content.
How is this not insane? Why are digital goods licenses while physical goods are not?

>>713935517
>>713938474
At least here he's not being a retard like he was with Arthas.
He can eat shit still, but enemy my enemy yadda yadda

>>713934860 (OP)
Stop Killing Niggers first

>>713940808
i simply won't buy your game then

>>713934952
Thats an old photo let me add a more up to date on anon as it seems you a bit on the slow side.

>>713941873
>Why are digital goods licenses while physical goods are not?
Digital content can be copied relatively easy compared to physical content. Also, even physical goods are in effect a license of access. When you buy a physical book, the book gives you access to the information in the book, not ownership of that information. When you buy a chair, you gain access to sit on the chair, but not ownership of the chair's design.

>>713942050
>Digital content can be copied relatively easy compared to physical content
How is that relevant?
>effect a license of access
The difference is that the license cannot be revoked from you unlike a digital good.
>but not ownership of the chair's design.
Nobody is asking for the source code, we're asking to own the copy of the compiled game. Design = source code. Chair = compiled game. The compiled game (chair) can be taken away with the current laws.

>>713942050
>Digital content can be copied relatively easy compared to physical content.
>except the whole initiative is about how that's not actually true because there's online-only DRM so you can only make non-functional copies

>>713942050
This is some advanced fucking mental gymnastics to try and justify why you, I'm sure a completely normal person, and not a filthy paid shill, should own less.

>>713942329
>The difference is that the license cannot be revoked from you unlike a digital good.
Maybe it should be for physical goods too. The only reason this was not the case before was because the technology did not make it practical to do so for physical goods.

>>713942374
Always online connection to a central server is a relatively recent innovation created in part to make it difficult to copy digital content. Before its invention and spread, digital content was very easy to replicate.

>>713936321
Ross's content is fairly niche. Until recently you pretty much have to have played Half Life to have discovered his channel and its comedy videos and commentary organically, and as the newer generations haven't played Half Life his channel subscriptions have naturally stagnated.

>>713935038
It shot from 400 something thousand to 630 thousand in under a week. There is hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3KZcULK1rY
>Destiny roasted Maldavious better than anyone yet
he's not so bad sometimes

>>713942554
>Maybe it should be for physical goods too.
I know you're trolling or a shill, but I'll bite. Why should it be the case? Why do you think corporations should have even more rights over the individual?

>>713942050
Holy shit what the fuck did I just read.

>>713935021
>Are jannies deleting these threads again?
Yes, but for some reason eceleb threads are fine.
Perplexing.

>>713942554
>Maybe they should revoke more rights and use videogames as a rubric for it
You are the antichrist, LMFAO.

>>713942718
Jannies are compromised, open secret.

His bait is pretty good ngl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j51lNAw08Z8
new video on GamersNexus main channel

>>713942981
His bait is good, it has people talking about the heart of the matter. Arigato... Master Baiter....

>the thresholds are based on MEPs and not per capita
lmao, at least the tracker shows the actual per capita. It's embarrassing how poorly Italy is doing. Worst performer with only 0.06% while Greece sitting at an equally bad 0.08%

>>713943151
Pastaoids are naturally lazy.

>>713943151
I am about to immigrate to Yurope and register myself 30 times in every country and drive the Ubisoft dogs under my boot, inshallah.

>>713942657
>didn't even link to the petition in the description or a pinned comment

why the fuck do channels keep doing this garbage

>>713943167
you gotta put maldavious in the bottom left

>>713943049
Even Destiny is covering it. This is what we need.

Europeans need to bang on the doors of their favorite streamers and get the word out. There is still time to stop GAAS from winning and destroying video game art.

>>713943151
Give any Italians you know this new link that translates the message:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCK_Hwh3LTgGlAdr5qwc958d4FgOU-9DZ&feature=shared

>>713943215
>>713943247
Even the gypsies are doing better with 0.09%

>>713943412
I already shilled it in the italian general on /int/, got 1 guy to sign it bc he didn't want to lose his steam library, and I saw that someone already posted it on the italian subreddit. I'm not Italian btw

>>713941978
Never

When the smartest streamer of all time says it's a bad idea, then maybe you should listen

>>713943719
What did DSP say?

>Uncle Ross, you've got to call him a RETARD
>Oh he like beggin he like "Oh Ross Scott tell me im a retard"
>"ROSS SCOTT! YOU SHOULD SAY IM A RETARD!"

>>713943761
Im sydeing it. Im sydeing it. Im sydeing it.

>second best per capita signatures
>10th place
The threshold shit really doing the Estonians dirty. Dw I see you, esti bros

I'm shocked with the raw numbers Germany is pumping out, god damn.

>>713944065
I don't know, they don't seem very realistic...

>>713943719
That would be Destiny who called out PS's moronic ego and lies.

>>713942050
>When you buy a physical book, the book gives you access to the information in the book, not ownership of that information.
It does if you're not fucking retarded

>>713943838
you can change the sorting on the website
the thresholds don't even matter anymore as there are enough countries that have already reached it

>>713938994
This is what Jason sees right before he jolts awake, drenched is fear sweat. Music and all.

>>713944293
Where do you see an option to do that?

Reminder that an ACTUAL developer challenged Jason on his retarded claims on twitter, and Jason RAN. Roached out you might say. Refused to reply.

>>713944690
Just above the top row, there is a SORT button you can hover over.

>>713944757
Holy shit, how the fuck did I miss that

>>713944718
Jason is such a wimp that he would run away from an actual cockroach and then say there was nothing else he have done.

>>713944858
To be fair, I'd run from a cockroach too, bugs are nasty

>>713934860 (OP)
are the games saved yet?

>>713944842
>Top 3 per capita: Finland, Estonia and Ireland
>Bottom 3: Romania, Greece, Italy
Damn slavs and meds.

I wish this was also happening in America so I could have a reason to send letters to my representative every day. I mean I don't need one to harass them with letters but I'd feel like I was doing something noble

>>713936321
most if not all of his biggest numbers online were with machinimas channel as well mind you. an entire channel erased from history. ive followed alot of the bigger names on machinima for actual machinima content and their real channels were often disregarded by the mass populace in favor for keeping tabs on the machinima channel itself.

>>713945052
you can bug your friends who live in europe nonstop instead and get them to sign it

or message your american friends who might have EU friends and so on

>>713938994
>"Now, you may think I'm capping, but on god I don't think people like having their rizz taken away after a bussin amount of time. More on that later."

>>713945052
>american
>having consumer rights

>>713942701
He's trying to use the the arguments against his earlier attempts to obfuscate the concept of ownership, to support himself. Trying and failing.

What he used to do was this thing of "you never owned a game, you were only allowed to use it".
Long story long-
People responded to that by saying you owned a copy of a game the same way you would "a copy of" a book or chair. And in any normal conversation you'd be able to say that you own a book or chair (or that game that is printed on a physical thing you can hold and use), and that claiming "own" as only meaning to own in a distribution-rights sense is useless at best, and meaningfully lying in most cases including this one.

Now he, or maybe more likely the bot, is trying to patch his old text in with that rebuttal. And yeah, It's not working.

>>713945193
If enough people contact their representative they'll get scared and do back flips for you but it's definitely not likely to happen you're right

>>713935517
So many game devs and outting themselves right now lmaooo. All that cynicism, not reaing up and gam3r resentment is pouring out. This guy though was surprisingly baded.

You can find the dumbest and most innocous suggestions in here. Literally why couldn't game devs have a tax payer funded vault in which they backed up whatever is needed to build their games while mantaining control? Preservation done, albeit you need to find some autists to reverse engineer, which is at least easier now. Tell me why this wouldn't work niggers.

>>713945325
Last I heard of you, it was illegal to boycott the illegitimate state of israel. Apparently even your military isn't allowed to have consumers rights, they license their weapons and vehicles.
The land of the once free, how far have you fallen...

>Ross wants the bare minimum of putting server hosting files on mega upload
>this is apparently a second holocaust for people who molest ferrets

>>713935038
I hope those are actual EU citizens, because fraud will give false hope

>>713943564
Saving games while killing NIGGERS? uh, based?

>>713945520
QRD on maldavius molesting ferrets?

>>713945740
he is one of those furries

>>713945785
Yeah, but most furries molest dogs, not ferrets. What does he have with ferrets?

>>713945864
He owns a Ferret sanctuary and his fursona is one.

>>713945740
He is a notorious furfag from second life
He's a known degenerate
His 'sona is a ferret
He holds a ferret shelter
Here are the dots. Connect them.

>>713939257
Build it from your shoe straps

i dont agree with companies having to forever maintain online servers for online multiplayer games. but the video game should never become unplayable once online servers do go down, such as the case with games that should be singleplayer offline capable, that have no reason to need to connect to a server first in order to play,

>>713945932
>i dont agree with companies having to forever maintain online servers for online multiplayer games.
READ NIGGA READ

>>713945908
>He owns a Ferret sanctuary
That's like a pedo running an orphanage.

>>713945520
>on mega upload
That's the thing. It shouldn't be anywhere public. Because the point of the initiative is to protect purchases. It doesn't mean EVERYONE will have access to whatever solution they use. Steam can easily redistribute server binaries for the developer after end of life, but people always go and assume that they'll have to release it on GitHub or somewhere else and that others will end up getting the game for free when that's not how it will happen in any timeline.

>>713945987
You cooked him hard, bro :skull: :skull: :skull:

Daily reminder Jason has a bathroom gnome.

>>713943282
Streamers are subhuman

What genre would be impossible for this?
>MMO
WoW private servers and FFXIV trust system
>MOBAs
DOTA 2 has private servers, custom game servers and LAN options.
>Gacha
Most already do have end of life features and don't tie every game feature to the gacha, just the pulls.

>>713946970
none

>>713946970
Literally every big company goes
>THIS WOULD KILL THE INDUSTRY
When some new law concerning them shows up (Unless it was a law they lobbied for themselves), this is actually boring corpo playbook stuff.

>>713944718
He also had a dev on stream once. Tried to word a question about game preservation in a way that would make the dev go against it. And the dev made it immediately clear that he supported 100% (I think literally in those terms), to which Jason sheepishly pretended that was his stance as well.

>>713947103
>>THIS WOULD KILL THE INDUSTRY
Good.

>>713947238
I usually hate political memes but for some reason the JD vance ones always make bust a gut. I'm Australian and have no clue on this guy's actual personality.

>>713946970
Wasn't there some game where the developers deliberately gave the players finite resources to share and the game was unplayable after they were all used up? Though I think there's more than one game like that. It's the only example I can think of where an end-of-life plan would mess with the developer's "vision" where the game dying is the actual point.

>>713947341
>born to be silly
>forced to lock in

Reminder that Jason is not a developer. He hasn't made shit and can't code for shit.
His opinion isn't worth shit.

>>713946031
>Steam can easily redistribute server binaries for the developer
They already do. The whole 'tools' tab in the library is primarily used for SDKs and dedicated server tools.

>>713947554
I know, which is why people saying "they would have to maintain a website for people to download it" or "they would have to open source it on GitHub" and so on sounds silly to me.

>>713943151
voterei ma non ho passaporto neanche carta d'identità

The only thing that would need discussion eventually is consoles. On PC it is fine, you can network freely on it. But consoles themselves go through a central network system to connect to the servers. Would this mean that there has to be a rework of that or that their online services should also be allowed to connect to community servers?
If that's the case, based as fuck.

>>713947341
he looks like a garbage pail kid

>>713936321
I have literally never heard of Ross before Stop Killing Games

>>713947917
Either check out Freeman's mind or watch a random game dungeon to get an understanding of the mold man more.

>>713935517
fucking love this guy for just straight up calling blizzard a dogshit soulless company in one of his Q&A's where he talked about how they ghosted him for the WC3 remake. fuck these companies and long live the real nigga devs out there

>>713940892
I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOVIE

>>713947917
that's actually pretty interesting
i would like to datamine you a bit:
>how old are you
>did you watch machinimas when they were a thing
>when did you discover 4chan

Which game started all this multiplayer always online slop fest?

>>713947917
Maybe you don't care about old odd-ball pc games.

>>713936321
Based Steve for actually picking this up again. He also spoke about it earlier in life of the movement too, so his attention to it is not a grift.

>>713948054
You could argue about games that are multiplayer only, but those at least had local LAN features.
I guess the MMOs of old? But even then they had community servers with instances so I have no fucking clue.

>>713947917
same. i only remember seeing his ugly face spammed here sometimes. not anything against the guy, just never ever heard of him before his back and forth with pirate fagware.

>>713935021
EA and Ubisoft gave Hiro a nice fat check to make sure these threads get deleted.

>>713948043
27
yes. i even watched freemans mind i just didnt know who the creator was nor what he looked like. i watched that shit like 15 years ago and then never again. you expect me to remember what the creator looks like?
probably around 2006 from my big brother or some friend of mine during computer class showed me.

>>713940798
You buy and own a videogame. "You buy a license" is what your corporate gobbledygook says in a eula that is not a legally binding contract.

>>713948253
Uh kind of of you were a fan? Because he looked exactly like Freeman for a while.

>>713947789
You don't have digital id in Italy?

>>713948328
i just watched it. i thought it was good, but it was just another machinima to me and never focused on the creator and what he looked like. he also looked a lot different back then as opposed to his autistic metalhead look he has now.

>>713940892
"I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOVIE" to this post

>>713948490
I don't live in italy anon. even if I booked an appointment for a passport it will take longer than a month. plus shit's like $127

>>713948098
>his attention to it is not a grift.
He's the only tech reviewer to actually call out bad products and practices. Steve has shown time and time again that he cares more about consumers than a paycheck from a manufacturer. There's hardly anyone in the space with even half of the gamernexus' integrity.

>>713940892
Which Van Gogh is this?

>>713943151
>>713943412
>>713943563
>>713947789
UH TO ALL ITALIAN PEOPLE OR WOPS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, SIGN THE INITIATIVE, UNDERSTAND, CAUSE IF YOU DON'T THE POPE WILL DIE IN HIS SLEEP TONIGHT!!!

>>713948625
Ross as a creator was more prominent/big-picture orientated than other machinima workers. He cared about work outside of his own projects and tried to make another website for those works when that company collapsed and it caught on for a while, though it eventually went under. He has always been into preserving game art and derivative work. He was an early promoter of GOG too.

We can agree the dumbest argument is "That game is one no one plays/it is shit" right? Appeals to subjective measures of quality and ignores the fact that the option of it being playable is better than it not being playable at all.

>>713949026
based little tom

>>713948846
You don't have to live in Italy to sign it tho? You just need to be a citizen. That's why I asked about digital id.

In Sweden you don't even need a passport/id card, all you need to do is enter your full name and social security number and that's it.

>>713949156
It's pretty irrelevant as the law can only work forward so any potential bill would only apply to games that haven't been made yet. Saying "X is shit" brings nothing to the discussion.

would you want to face the mountaneous task for creating a video game and then being saddled with demands like making some offline patch thingie out of pocket for a game that doesnt make money

theres obvious examples of single player game having largely redundant drm but then theres plenty of games where the effort to keep it up is really not worth it.

I bought wildstar, I cant event go in the game world and look around after they shut it down and theres no refunds obviously, but the experience I wanted to pay for was playing with friends in raid guilds and thats not possible with the bare minimum playability so its hard to care.

>>713949402
>would you want to face the mountaneous task for creating a video game and then being saddled with demands like making some offline patch thingie out of pocket for a game that doesnt make money
If it was during the design phase of the game, it isn't that mountainous. It's not retroactive anon.

>>713949156
It's dumb, but it's not categorically and objectively false like most of them are.

>>713948934
GORDAN (not Freeman) from PC Magazine was good too, but he died last year.

I also heard Stephanie Sterling refused to cover "Stop Killing Games" because just because people were mean to her. Integrity is still in short supply among gaming journalists.

>>713949402
The game I'd make wouldn't be a live-service one, because I'm not retarded.

>>713949371
form asks for ID or passport no. I have neither, and getting either would take too long
>eID
would rather stay away from any digital ID shit

>>713949402
Fans tried and failed for several years to rebuild Wild Star on private servers and yet you you still can't walk around all the areas. That is a crime against art. Years have passed and any secrets in the code are worthless. The only reason the corpos didn't release the code so you could build a private server is corporate greed. They want you to buy the next game if they ever make one.

What if Nintendo had made Mario 64 online only and refused to have an end of life plan? Tough luck, you'd better buy a new Switch and purchase Mario Galaxy 5!

>>713949887
>would rather stay away from any digital ID shit
its an official EU website. what do you have to be afraid of?

>>713948934
I feel like lately Steve is close to fucking snapping, kek. The last bit from the video on 5050 where he just went on to call out Nvidia advertisers with words like "Feckless shill from a propaganda outfit".

>>713949887
Do it or ask any of your family in Italy to sign it else I'll take away your sphagett.

>>713934860 (OP)
Your premise is inherently flawed. Companies own their servers, their code, and their IPs. They have no obligation to continue to provide network services to you when it becomes unprofitable for them, nor are they obligated to provide you with an outside means to do so.

>>713951709
>they have no obligation
That obligation had been established the moment they received the customer's money for a financial transaction, finalizing the sale of a product.
>b-but muh license!
In EU software are goods, not services.

>>713951709
The point is to make them obligated

>>713951709
Ya that's why they're trying to change it. electronic media is a good not a service and should experience the same consumer protections, also you should be raped.

>>713951709
This, but for land ownership. Yeah, you bought a 'deed' and 'own' land. Big whoop. It doesn't belong to you. It belongs to the state, and you merely bought a license to it. We have no obligation to make your land actually livable or provide any services to ensure it can be made as such. You better pay your fucking taxes though, or else we'll come in and shoot your pets.

>>713951709
>they have no obligation
not yet.
hence, the initiative
the court WILL prove that giving me the product i purchased in a functional state is YOUR duty, not mine.
it's pretty funny seeing shills climbing mirrors talking about laws they don't understand, when this entire movement demands the creation of NEW legislation anyways.

Rate their efforts so far

>>713951928
>>713951943
>>713952074
>>713952186
You're being reasonable but the SKG community doesn't limit their ambitions to what you think they do. They don't just want off-line games to be available, they want companies that make online-only subscription based games to make their product available for 3rd parties to pick up and continue supporting if the company ever decides to drop it. This is not something you paid for when you pay for your subscription. Your subscription isn't forever. These SKG bros think it entitles them to access to a means make it that way.

Ross said he's going to promote a Twitter hashtag campaign for this Wednesday. Anyone decent at making digital posters to spam on Twitter? I'm willing to pay money for some.

>>713942657
>Destiny roasted maldavious
Both of those weirdos are cunts, one sucked a dudes dick on camera and the other is a dick
Also, Destiny got roasted by his own 15 year old son who Destiny went on to block on social media. He can't even handle the bants from his own son.

>>713952262
>the product i purchased
But you didn't purchase it, you paid for a subscription to online features.
Now, if all you want to do is remove phone-home checks that would be one thing, but that's not the full scope of SKG goals.

>>713952456
>but what about
irrelevant since the drafting of the final law is up to the eu parliament anyways
the only objective of the campaign is bringing up the issue to it

FUCKING COMMIE SCUM YOU WON'T GET MY SOURCE CODE FUCK OFF
MAKE YOUR OWN GAMES!

>>713952502
I can make at least one shitpost

>>713952663
Anything with #stopkillinggames and having the website url in the image would be great

>>713952780
Exactly, come back when you learn to reverse engineer

>>713952502
I think it's better if you hire someone on fiver or something like that.

>>713934860 (OP)
poorly thought out petition dead on arrival
>send it to the law makers and industry experts and let them decide!
they already did years ago and the results were the current horrible digital copyright laws
this movement doesn't go anywhere without dismantling those laws, and that isn't stated anywhere in the goals of the petition.
this isn't the movement to get behind

>>713952550
>but the EULA that my lawyer mr. shekelstein wrote says that when you click BUY you are actually RENTING a LICENSE, you will own nothing be happy eat the bugs and live in a pos
this will straight up not stand in court. it's that simple.
all your precious "user agreements" will be labeled null and void and will need to be rewritten
if this campaign was running in america or japan we wouldn't have a legal angle to stand on, but european law explicitly says that EULA cannot contradict eu laws, so it's the only way we have to fix things. it's literally now or never.
this has immense ramifications for digital ownership BEYOND gaming (movies, music, books, anything that can be purchased online basically), and (they) will fight tooth and nail to prevent this from passing at any cost.
ross is right, if there is one hill to die on, i'm picking this one.

>>713952456
>the SKG community
There is no such thing, shill.

>>713953123
Saved, I needed another strawman image.

>>713952456
Did you just reply to a guy who said you should be raped with "you're being reasonable"?

>>713952932
you are free to start your own campaign bro
if it's good i'm gonna sign that one, too

Webms you will never see Pirate Softy ever doing.

>>713952456
>they want companies that make online-only subscription based games to make their product available for 3rd parties to pick up and continue supporting if the company ever decides to drop it.
Correct, this is a good thing and should be obligated

>This is not something you paid for when you pay for your subscription
And if they're shutting the game down, they're not getting paid regardless

>>713943151
This initiative is the only time I wish England was still in the EU.

Has Piratesoftware attained true Lolcow status now?

>>713952634
You don't need the source code, just allow public servers

>>713953397
what does this mean

>>713952874
>so I can sue you
thanks, for once more proving not one single solitary person on your supposed side of the topic knows anything about the topic.

>>713953898
I think he's accepting that he was in the wrong

>>713953657
>If Britain was still in the EU it would have easily hit 1 million
Yeah, I wrote the above in a previous thread. The UK would have probably contributed a lot.

>>713952874
Oh no the poor indie developer is complaining that us mere mortals, us peons who want to own what we buy are trying to own what we pay money for.
You don't want to give your code out that's fine dude, you won't get our money. We're not entitled to your code that is true, you're also not entitled to our money.

>>713952874
no i don't think i will.
i think you will release all your server binaries and i will not spend a single extra dime for them.

>>713934860 (OP)
STOP THE COUNT AIEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://keepkillinggames.com/

>>713953397
are you one of those sports-autists that expects everyone else to understand your vague reference that you wanted an excuse to post or something?

>>713952874
>spend a decade getting back what the company stole from you after you paid them

>>713954361
the player saw the replay why he was sent to timeout. when he saw it, he thought the penalty was justified and thus admitted his mistake.
piratesoftware will never admit a mistake.

Only 600k? How many days has it been stuck at 600k? Four days? Five days?

>>713934860 (OP)
>this initiative will not apply retroactively for dead games
Seriously what is the fucking point ? New games are so bad that no one would sane would give a single fuck about their preservation.

>>713954730
it's honestly still going pretty slowly this morning. hopefully it picks up as more euros wake up

>>713954853
i want my own offline sea of thieves private server

>>713954730
It only reached 600k yesterday, calm down.

>>713954924
sea of thieves will not be subject to the law since it has already released.

>>713954361
use your eyes man

30k signatures yesterday, will it increase today or slow down?

>>713955074
Slow down. It's always down.

>>713955074
It's early morn sunday still, we'll have to wait and see.

>>713954989
i think depending on how they draft the law it could at least cover everything currently for sale

>>713954924
>>713954989

Didn't you faggot commies already tried to do this a year ago?

>>713955178
That was before drama with roach and Gamer Jesus gave us 100k signatures in a few days.

>>713955130
You're stealing a temporary license, goyim

>>713955130
>buying isn't owning
stop with this cuckold false dichotomy. buying is actually owning, and piracy isn't stealing

>>713955270
You got it the other way around, goy. Buying isn't always owning and pirating is always stealing.

>>713955321
Copyright infringement is not theft.

>making a copy
>stealing

>>713954989
if they update the game after a law has been passed, it could also fall under this new law. it just depends on how they formulate the law.

I love going around the internet to gather the thoughts about this and many of them are either "I didn't know about this at all" or "I didn't know Thor was lying...".
The former I can't blame but the latter... do people not fucking read?

>>713955178
this is month 11 of 12
you are going to see threads until july 31
i suggest you filter "killing games" and "pirate software" so you don't have to see our campaign polluting your catalog anymore

>>713955471
Also speaking of internet escapades
>Find a r*ddit thread on game devs about it
>OP is saying it is unrealistic/unfeasible to do
>Most updooted post is someone in the AAA industry who says it is not only feasible but also should be the direction it moves in
Sometimes those fags are alright.. only sometimes.

>>713955559
post it i want to laugh at it

>>713949026
I wouldn't care if yankee pope died but I signed back when there weren't even 100k signatures yet.

>>713955625
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/1lm20bt/what_are_we_thinking_about_the_stop_killing_games/
Comments to it are also hilarious, I'll greentext my favourite one
>I've seen this being mentioned a thousand times and, as a dev working in a live service game, I just have to scratch my head.
>Dependency injection is practically an industry standard: All online game I've worked on had ways to run the server locally at our workstations. Why? Because it's a feature we need in order to debug the game.
> And it's not like the workstations were anything special: Just some ROG laptop.

>>713940808
>Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.
Had to be forced on game publishers by EU as well.

>>713955696
Turns out this is just corporate spite and greed at play. Who could have thought?

>>713935119
yay we just like reddit now

>>713955696
Some of these posts sound very similar to the ones we get here, down to the
>I've asked them about the specifics and just answer back "That's not what it says" and I always ask "Ok, then what is it then"
type comments. I highly doubt that people don't go into detail on what the initiative actually strives for when asking questions. Good on those few AAA devs that talk about dockerized server programs, they know their shit.

>>713955696
maybe posting the initiative to euro subreddits could help

>>713940808
Under article 3 of Council Directive 93/13/EEC, End-User License Agreements are not considered fair contracts and their body is not legally binding until proven otherwise.
In the instance of the presupposed breach of any legal rights, the burden of proof is on the seller or the supplier of such contract.
In the case of the contract body conflicting with the EU law, the EU law supercedes the contractual terms in all cases unless ruled otherwise by a European Court in an outstanding exception.

commiexixterx... thor was right... we're not gonna make it...

>>713956370
Commies are Thors side anon, they're for the worker, not the customer

>>713955696
>>713955787
watch the quoted comment disappear overnight

>>713956271
Look goy. If you sign a contract, it's binding. End of.
It's not our fault that you don't bother to read what you sign.

>>713944965
Romanians are not Slavs.
Both Slavs and Romanians are offended if you suggest this.
They're gypsies get it right

>>713952370
its never been good. I'm so sick of nintendo

>>713956247
It has already been done multiple times

>>713956441
The worker and the customer are usually the same person. Now the owner? The financer? The CEO? It’s different.

Workers don’t own their labor, the ceo does. A lot of devs are all for this.

>>713956658
>The worker and the customer are usually the same person
LMAO, that's cope

>>713955696
>>713956461
>watch the quoted comment disappear
Here, faggot
https://archive.ph/yJdYK

>>713956726
LOL retard

>>713956726
But... that's true? Most normalfags work to earn money.

>>713956769
>>713956802
Were commies always this retarded?

>>713956641
every day, different people visit websites
there are certainly some who are seeing it for the first time

>>713938994
the man that saved ludo

>>713956839
You can't just spam it though, once a week or is reasonable

>>713947341
Oh don't worry. He doesn't have one. Other than being mildly unpleasant. And possibly poisonous, if Pope Frank was any indication.

>>713934860 (OP)
>>>/b/
Not videogames.

>>713957212
You are Jewish

>>713956271
so I'm right, you're just pretending to be stupid

>>713957212
hey buddy, I think you got the wrong thread
the DALL-E thread is two blocks down

>>713957447
Are you a seller or supplier of the contract?

crazy seeing so many anti-shill jeets against this, its just a petition and even if it gets 1 million signatures there is no guarantee something will come out of it

>votes get to a million
>goes to the EU parliament
>they look at it, ask the biggest publisher in Europe (Ubisoft) what to do
>Ubisoft say the current system is fine
>nothing happens

It still pains me that the initiative only got started again because of drama and it's leeches covering it

>>713958127
It's a greypill. Dramaslop sells but it is being used for good things.
I still wonder if Jason didn't be an ass about the WoW drama if this would've ever gotten picked up again.

>>713958193
dude's whole life is damage control meltdowns. it was gonna be something even if it wasn't WoW

Have you guys prepared for what's going to happen with whatever happens, 1mill sigs or not?
I doubt I'm ever going to back down from this even if the EU stuff falls through, because this is just basic consumer protection and aligns with my ideology regarding software and personal computing.

Stop killing games cringe reminds me of Stop asian hate movement a while back.
It was like cool bro, nobody is going to stop hating you because of some slogan on facebook

>>713958127
I hope piratesoftie's ego leads him to publish another video in which he rages against the initiative and all its supporters

>>713958252
good luck, it seems borderline impossible to explain to people what the initiative is even asking for. most of the people supporting it still don't even get it and just want to btfo maldavius/ubisoft

Why is there a july 1st deadline? Did Ross have just a year to get 1 mil petitions after it started?

>>713958193
>Jason didn't be an ass about the WoW drama if this would've ever gotten picked up again.
Probably not, it's what really made him a target for other youtubers, it's just a shame that still kinda overshadows the actual initiative

>>713958252
hopefully the EU rips publishers a new one like AUS did when they forced steam to implement refunds

>>713958252
all venues have been exhausted.
if this fails, i'm going to try and see if i can sell my steam account and i will only pirate or emulate from now on
this is the last chance to give digital purchases the same legal protections physical purchases enjoy

>>713958315
it's hilarious how much time and effort he will spend on skg but won't talk to /ourmold/. he knows he'll get humiliated in an open conversation

>>713958361
Yup, it's one year to get 1 mil sigs and 7 countries meeting a threshold. I suppose it is to stop things from going forever in perpetuity, but it kinda sucks for something like this which got a second wind so close to the deadline. I do hope some of the momentum continues for even just a bit. Getting to even 750k in a month will be great.

>>713951709
Like I don't really care about this since I don't play multiplayer but remember Battleborne, Evolve, Concord? They all shutdown within months or even days.
I don't think that companies should give public access you their source code or ability for the users to run servers but at least they need to state for how long they guarantee to run the servers.

>>713958434
Unfortunately, Ross' personality type is also someone who isn't willing to interrupt someone else just in case he would be a bother and would get talked over constantly. That said, it would also help the cause just by Pirate being an ass to a guy who just loves video games.

>>713958525
Most games made in 2000's gave the user ability to run servers, why should this practice not be permitted again?

>>713958525
why shouldn't i be able to host the game i bought?
server binaries are a reasonable demand in general and should be mandatory when the games shut down

>>713958441
Yeah I'm not too hopeful, the huge eceleb drama surge probably won't carry it that hard, unfortunately.
Ironically I think piratesoftware did more for the petition than he would if he just supported it from the start. He is such an egregious retard that people support the other side of the argument just in spite.

>>713934860 (OP)
we losted sisters...

>>713934860 (OP)
Based.

>>713947917
The Sonic Heroes game dungeon episode gives you a good grasp on his personality and way of thinking

>>713958425
>the same legal protections physical purchases enjoy
physical copies can be resold, which publishers won't allow for digital
SKG is merely about stopping publishers from taking away your ability to play your games, nothing else

>>713958579
>>713958590
That should be a feature not something devs are forced to do.

>>713958595
I kinda wish the WoW drama happened first THEN SKG. That timeline would've been an easy slam dunk.

>>713958636
>which publishers won't allow for digital
Publishers have no say in what should or should not be allowed, they either comply with state law or fuck off. Resale and reuse is in fact permitted on the territory of EU.

>>713958525
>TOS: Servers are guaranteed to run for 0 seconds

>>713958646
that will be up to the eu parliament to decide.

>>713958646
It should be something they are forced to do if their game relies on centralized servers to remain playable and has no option for dedicated servers. Otherwise it is a situation where you pay for a product and your money gets stolen.
>b-buh license
Not in the EU. Games are goods, not services.

>>713958646
Then me letting them keep my money indefinitely is also a feature, not something that I should be forced to do. You want your game back? I want my money back, how about that?

>>713958718
>TOS
lel

>>713958332
I don't understand what's hard to understand. It's literally just having what we had a mere 20 years ago. That's it.
Is this what getting old actually feels like? The good stuff being forgotten and only the bad shit persisting?

This kills the shill.

>>713958795
getting old generally means going through the motion. you only notice things outside the routine. it takes a conscious effort to override natural instict and deautomatize your life.

On Wednesday July 2nd at 8am CET we are going to start a Twitter campaign to get #StopkillingGames trending to help to get it past 1 million signatures. Post OC images that can help spread it.


I have been talking to Ross and he said he's going to make an official announcement for it soon.

>>713958920
>I have been talking to Ross
And how are you?

>>713958920
I don't have a twitter so I don't know how the site is ran, can a brand new fresh account get in on a hashtag and boost the numbers?

>>713958920
europeans aren't really on twitter anymore at least in large numbers, many have deleted their accounts after musk took it over so i don't think it will pull very large numbers on there

>>713959001
>how
I meant who, but I'm also interested in how you are. Are you doing fine? Have you eaten breakfast today?

>>713959001
ross is too pure for this place

>>713958920
Random oc I made

>>713959159
Not so sure about that, he does have the looks...

>>713959159
You know those posts that you find in threads about obscure games that has a theory about the game that sounds insane but is fascinating? It's probably not ross but maybe it's one of his spores.

>>713957818
except their own guidelines say they would need to take on the opinion of multiple parties from the industry

Can we get to... 69% ?????

>>713959001
Random dude but Ross agreed to it so it doesn't matter.

>>713959104
Around 15% of twitter is from EU users and another 10% are from the UK so it will still help. It can also get more influencers to see it

So what does this mean for Steam and other digital storefronts?
Even if there's a new law that states my copy of The Crew 2 must remain functional offline till the end of time, it's still reliant on me being able to login to Uplay or Steam to verify that I have legal ownership of the game license at all. Unless you somehow convince regulators to abolish copy-protection as a concept entirely and legalize abandonware, I don't see how my copy of the The Crew 2 would be safe from the inevitable shutdown of Ubisoft Uplay or whatever other service I own games on.

>>713959064
Yes

>>713959243
now that would be epic

>>713959313
Steam is piss easy to crack

>>713959313
if the initiative goes into law, the developer would be required to remove the drm protection once they stop supporting the game

>>713959313
I kinda assumed it's only applicable for games that come out after the law is out as laws dont have retroactive power

>>713959313
>Steam
They've already said they have a plan for if/when they go down the toilet that people can still play games and have a period of time to download it
>Ubisoft/uplay
I suspect that something like this would heavily discourage copy protection once outright support of the game ends.

>>713959313
Nothing in the EU is retroactive (unless is a life or death situation). The Crew 2 will continue on it's journey to inevitable doom.
If this passes and they make a The Crew 3 after, then that game works as normal for the entirety of its life cycle. They only need to patch after support ends.
>steam
Nothing, they aren't the devs, they're just the store. Nothing changes for gayben.

>>713959409
yeah but
1) there are other DRM other than steam for many games
2) there is online only shit on steam

>>713959469
>>713959313
What's funny is that the Crew 2 already has EoL plans for single player content.

>>713952456
Frankly, that's the way it should be. If companies had half a brain in their fucking heads(which they don't, obviously), they'd support this because it can provide an additional revenue stream after a game effectively "dies".
>game reaches EOL
>servers shut down
>devs change variables in the code to, instead of connect to their own static servers, be user-configurable
>this version released as final update, no further support
>publisher releases server code for, fuck I don't know. $60? $70? License is as-is also with no support, user assumes responsabiltiy from this point forward
>game continues on fan servers to infinity; company continues making money off a game they don't have to do anything about anymore other than host a couple downloads.
Like why the fuck wouldn't they do this. It's not an egregious amount of extra work if they write it with this fate in mind from the start.

>>713959510
Of course it has. Ubisoft wouldn't make the same mistake twice, what if The Crew 2 starts SKG2? They can't risk that, specially will all the bad press they're getting lately.

>>713934860 (OP)
It sped up recently but it's slowing down already.
It's not gonna reach the goal

>>713943215
I can't sign the petition, my (posteitaliane) digital id won't let me.
Nothing here in italy ever fucking works

Remember that "voting with your wallet" doesn't work most of the time because the majority in this hobby are retards

>>713957212
Shalom!

>>713959564
>trusting ubislop
people like them need to be forced not to commit crimes. they are incapable of behaving like decent human beings without the constant threat of jailtime.

>>713959516
What if they by some miraculous dumb random luck somehow make a good game for once? There would be no reason to buy the next slop if that game worked till the heat death of the universe.
That's literally their reasoning.

>>713958287
Go fuck yourself, shill.

>>713959516
More point in buying a sequel if previous game is dead

>>713959657
Herd mentality. Not defending companies but this is like saying because some retard lit his $60 on fire, I should too because he's going to do it anyway.

>>713960014
the fuck are you talking about nigge?

>"i'm not defending companies, but"
>proceeds to defend companies

>>713942616
>It shot from 400 something thousand to 630 thousand in under a week. There is hope.
It got more than 300 thousand signatures in the first month so I expect the 1 million to happen. If it can get over 300 thousand in 1 month with zero time pressure it can get 400 thousand in 1 month with massive time pressure.

More pressure = more content = more visibility

>>713960796
As long as we keep getting new EU people involved as well. Judging by the per capita, we should be targeting the middle of the pack. The lower end should as well, but there may be multiple factors that have stopped them from climbing.
That said as well, Italians have been slowly climbing, but still have the worst per capita.

July 2nd. Get ready

>>713959239
All the big publishers are going to be against it.

>>713960956
I wonder what CD Projekt red will do. Yeah, GoG pulled out last minute, but maybe with it being looked at, they might put their best foot forward.

>>713960956
yes but the EU would still push for it because it is proconsumer.
>>713961117
companies like CDPR will probably end up supporting it half heartly to try and get a good deal from the EU

>>713960897
I smell derailment. GamerGate-tier of upcoming derailment.

>>713961242
wow Thor is that mad?

>>713961286
I hope Thor chokes to death in a freak fucked up gay furry orgy. Fucking disgusting. When we get Stop Killing Games passed we need to blanket /v/ with roaches. FUCK that faggot

It'd be funny if there was some way to get a counter of people blocked by Pirate before 2nd of July vs after because I will guarantee it will lead to blocks.

>>713958920
why wait?

>>713961387
>>713960897
What is significant about this upcoming 2nd of July?

>>713961434
Use the algorithm in favour for once.

>>713961453
Officially less than 30 days left if I had to guess.

>>713961286
Not necessarily from that bitch alone; I mean the various ecelebs from both spectrum that will dogpile on the issue in general.

>>713961434
hashtags can go around and we really need to just try anything to get those last votes.

>>713961515
I guess so, someone like Grummz would probably try and change the movement for his own schizo means, hopefully we can fight off those things and keep it focused on the important thing

>>713961434
to have a concentrated effort to get the hashtag trending

>>713961453
>>713961491
>>713961434
Because July 2nd on a Wednesday is statistically when the most EU users are on Twitter. We have to make one big push on the same day in order to get it trending rather than drip feeding it

Reminder that anyone who says "the devs are protecting their IP" and "you're forcing the publishers to keep the servers online forever" are shills who didn't read the FAQ and are deliberately lying to you about what SKG is all about, which is a way to play games that no longer have official online support.

>>713961648
>July 2nd on a Wednesday is statistically when the most EU users are on Twitter
how the fuck is that even a thing, and why? how would you know that

>>713935021
>Are jannies deleting these threads again? Your OP makes it seem like it.
Not only deleting. Yesterday they sent the thread to /b/.
>Jannies, these threads should be allowed for the next month, you faggots. Even if it has some kiwitroons in, this is actually important and relevant to games. More relevant than the AIslop you allow.
The Stop Killing Videogames threads are probably the most relevant and most important for the future of videogames threads to ever be posted on /v/.
>>713935594
It will the the videogame publisher's ass that will be getting fisted boi.

>>713961720
Most Europeans use twitter on Wednesday mornings in the morning probably unironically at work or right before

>>713961242
There was never any derailment in Gamer-Gate. It was a public outcry over collusion between game development and journalism. The moment it started, the journalist friends banded together and began printing out articles saying that gamers are dead and we need gamers+. Then government and alphabet agency involvement got exposed and suddenly everyone talking about it was getting silenced.

The most interesting things that have come out of these threads is that "vidya industry is crashing and burning lololololololo" threads barely get a peep and yet these ones are always flooded with "but muh devs/publishers".
It's really interesting.

>>713961720
Looking at sites user data by country.

>>713961712
You don't lose your IP even if you opensource it. Doom source code has been out for quite some time. Open source things too can be licensed and protected. The "source code cannot be given up" argument pushers are unironically retarded.

>>713961745
>Not only deleting. Yesterday they sent the thread to /b/.
what the fuck are they all industry plants or just mega fans of pirateshitware or something?

>>713961835
They're shills, they want to push this line to make people think that's what SKG is about.

>>713961841
Jannies and mods are schizophrenic as fuck. At risk of them deleting this thread, this is also the same team that once deleted a thread of Yotsuba on /a/.

>>713948043
NTA but I'd happily provide you with another case.
28
I watched machinima a good deal but I can't really memember too much honestly, apart from Sonic for Hire and a few other animations, I loved that shit.
Friend told me about it around 2014-15 and advised me to lurk for a year until I understand some inside jokes and whatnots, so that's what I did. I started posting around 2016 so I guess I'm in the election tourism crossfire aswell, but as a eurofag it wasn't that much of a deal to me.

>>713961745
>>713961841
they've been deleting, shifting to /b/, and people are coming into threads saying "this isn't video games!" or "No E-Celeb trash!"
Fucking A- this is the MOST important video game subject going on right now.
Telling Faggot Software to go fuck himself is just a cherry on top.

>>713935021
You seem to have missed something important about mods, here, let me help
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/705870089

>>713961928
>this is also the same team that once deleted a thread of Yotsuba on /a/
how in the fuck is that level of incompetence in any way possible.

>>713959991
From what I've seen live service games rarely have direct sequels that do little to improve the game. It applies to The Crew though, I guess.

>>713961835
right? Can you imagine how much of a tragedy it would be if people had the source code for Fallout 76? Oh wait. No they'd just make it better because Bethesda is filled with retards who've been using out-dated infrastructure and design for 16 years

>>713941267
>A digital good is a license of access to content. You own the license, not the content.
the company owns the license to distribute. what now

>>713962164
Videogames are goods in the EU anyway. The "muh ilcense" is a spook that corpos hide behind like it's a shield because "it's written in the eula", but in the EU all pre-negotiated contracts are deemed unfair.

Reminder, anything you fags support will get mogged. Just like Gamer Gate, it's hard to be taken seriously when someone is asking serious question with 50 retards behind them screaming "BURGER 'N FRIES NIGGER FAGGOT"

>>713962243
Gamer Gate won though. It still lives rent free in your head and heads of countless leftists. It achieved it stated goals by exposing collusion behind developers and gaming journalism. Game journalists are right now being mocked universally.

>>713962243
Yeah but the difference being that this isn't a movement started here or a similar site, it was started by someone who just loves vidya and knows how to be respectful to normalfag standards. It also helps that the opposition is unlikable and already had a destroyed reputation.

>>713941267
>license of access to content
So does that mean that by them cutting off server support for your videogame they are cutting off access to content you paid for?

>bringing up gamer gate
the psyop begins

>>713940621
>buy a car
>drive it for 5 years
>distributor bursts into my house and smashes it to pieces with a hammer
>"what the fuck? I paid for that, it's mine"
>"sorry mate, the license in a non-legally enforceable EULA document expired"
This is somehow property rights to you?

>>713954853
It sucks, I know, but we've got to start somewhere right?

I hope the ACCC in Australia responds soon as well, those cunts are pretty good at this shit.

>>713962054
That's funny, though.

>>713954853
True but it might apply to some games that are still being sold with online components. Probably won't apply to videogames that are no longer being sold.

>>713962381
he is american so yes, he would be fine with this because it's not "CoMMUnISM" in his head

>>713959001
>And how are you?
Fine, sank you!

>>713962237
>but in the EU all pre-negotiated contracts are deemed unfair.
in all of West. try having a slave in the west.
even quid pro quo is illegal in the workforce

>>713962571
Apparently it is fine now when it comes to "digital licenses". People can be so easily deceived and told they have no rights or protections, so long as it comes from a "position of power".

>>713962243
>>713962275
leftists are FINE with collusion and cheating the system if it benefits them personally, and they HATE being exposed for doing so.
gamers fucking LOATHE cheaters, so finding out the magazines they read and the reviews on websites which were used much more back in the day to guide you towards how to spend your limited income on games- was fucking rigged and not at all accurate- made gamers PTFO. Rightfully so.
-
Relate it back to today- Faggot Software is FINE with misleading gamers because it benefits him personally to not have SKG pass.
Gamers are PTFO because in the time from when he was blowing up / still trusted when he talked about SKG to today it was discovered that he is a fucking liar and refuses to be accountable for something as unserious as a fuck up in a video game.
-
So same shoe, different foot. 10 years apart.

These threads would die the moment we had Ids on /v/ like /pol/
>>713961998
>this is the MOST important video game subject going on right now.
It is eceleb bullshit for the most part.
Saving the internet archive was way more important since it is actually hosting as of now thousands of roms, manuals and videos on game development. Meanwhile this is change.org petition.

In short, one is doing something and it actually losing against corpos while this bullshit is reddit tier circlejerking.

>Want to talk about it with my friend I shitpost with constantly
>Remember when it first blew up we had a massive argument around Pirate's handling of the situation and then bite my tongue
My friend for years has gone on about how shit apple and samsung are for forcing updates and making old phones slower on purpose, but took the furfaggot's side on this issue. I dunno why, but all I know that argument was bad enough I didn't want to bring it up with him ever again, but with this second wave of momentum I want someone IRL to talk about it with. Shit sucks.

>>713962715
sneed harder PUSSY

>>713962715
>Meanwhile this is change.org petition.
It isn't, dumb mutt. This is on the same level as electing political representatives because it requires a valid EU id. Same as voting.

>>713962618
>you're buying a license for the period of 365 days, after which your license will be revoked
This is fine.
>you're buying a license for an unspecified amount of time, which we can revoke at any moment, for any reason, without prior notice or compensation
This is not.

>>713962737
You should have more discussions on the topic with your friend, because good friends tell their friends if they are fucking wrong and retarded.

>>713959313
>So what does this mean for Steam and other digital storefronts?
New laws like this one could be are never applied retroactively. Any and all games currently purchasable/released are not affected, only new products.
As for how it could be done -unless I severely misunderstood your post- look no further than Knockout City
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2915930/Knockout_City__Private_Server_Edition/
and MegaMan X
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/
Both games pulled the plug then released the offline version on steam before discontinuing support.
Knockout City even made it free to download AND included all microtransactions, for free!
If Capcom (AAA) and (relatively speaking) a smaller game can do it, don't tell me other games and companies can't.

>>713962797
Neither is fine in EU. Games are goods, not services, you don't buy a license, you buy something that is expected to work. If it stops working, the company should either reimburse you or fix it, or provide you the means that enable you to maintain and fix it, such as manuals. If it can't, then it gets a lawsuit shoved up its ass.

you could never and would never understand the cross she had to bear

>>713962895
The first one is just a WoW subscription.

>>713962921
some people say SKG would require games like Concord to be playable after death, they've missed the point entirely- studios may reconsider spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a live-service politically motivated overwatch clone in the first place if they'd have to support it for either a set amount of time and or after they shut down the servers.

>>713934860 (OP)
https://vocaroo.com/1gNnqNBiojFq

>>713963056
That's not Thor, you've just used a voice cha- OH SHIT

>>713957818
Could be. But it's worth a shot.

I seriously don't know how you can look at a dork like Ross and hate him. I get finding him weird or unpresentable, but hate?

>>713935669
https://vocaroo.com/1gNnqNBiojFq

>>713962881
But Mega Man X Dive is still on an online service, Steam.
If it needs to legally be playable truly offline without ANY online service, then this type of solution wouldn't qualify.
And sure, it's not likely that Steam is shutting down any time soon. But Ubisoft might turn off Ubisoft Connect any day now, what then? Even if the game itself is no longer relying on game-specific servers, it's still relying on other services outside of the game itself.
Same with console games. Even if every PS4 online game could be played on private servers without connecting to game-specific publisher-operated external servers, they still need you to have PS Plus which is an online service that will eventually get shut down on PS4.

>>713963056
thanks for gracing us with your overedited voice thor

>>713953657
Late to the party, but you do realize that there's a similar thing going on for the UK right now?

>>713963046
>studios may reconsider spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a live-service politically motivated overwatch clone in the first place
that's what im saying too
you're doing these studios a favor anyway https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/713687263/#p713693819

abolishing Concord was only a crime to the concept of artistry
people got their money back

IMHO Sony had no right to remove that game. it could've lived on like Quake does these days. at least on PC because console servers are a more complicated ecosystem

>>713963305
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.capcom.rxdoff&hl=en_US
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mega-man-x-dive-offline/id6446021269

>>713963481
The UK one has no teeth since that is only one country. The EU one has the power to change videogames around the world.

>>713943151
you do not understand the level of normalfaggotry in italy
you think chad and stacy are normies? compared to italians they're niche weirdos
I have nobody I could even begin to explain why this signature is important and I went to CS uni

>>713963170


New thread

>>713963862
don't link threads this is not a general

>>713946970
Literally none. Every game is probably playable offline since the devs have to test it before deploying, at least running it in their own networks.

>>713947373
But those finite resources are just finite in the server instance they are running, private servers popping up would just mean they have new instances of those finite resources.

>>713948043
NTA
>30
>yes, but not autistically following them and the creators, just one or another that were funny
>2009
Why is that interesting?

>>713964191
it so is

>>713946970
>What genre would be impossible for this?
None. Every game can be made to last forever. Videogame publishers want to kill games on purpose.

>>713949402
>offline patch thingie out of pocket
How do you think they test their game before releasing? And after releasing, you think they all test stuff on the official servers or some private LAN offline server?
The answer should be pretty obvious already anon. It's just a matter of letting the player run an executable that they already have. In fact, many games on Steam already did this, and still do.

>>713964584
This. All online games are first tested in house and only later they get linked to international servers. Also a lot of those games still have versions that run in LAN.
>League of Legends for example has a LAN version
Same goes for pretty much any game that is an e-sport. They all already have LAN versions, those versions are just not available to the public.

>>713951709
>I own the book that I wrote, so after the arbitrary time period I set expires you will not be able to read it ever again... because... just because!
No one is asking them to keep a server up, just to release their run_this_for_the_debug_offline_server.exe that they obviously have.

>>713962243
How scared are you, shillnigger?

>>713963305
>If it needs to legally be playable truly offline without ANY online service, then this type of solution wouldn't qualify.
I'm not sure I follow your logic. You download from Steam but the executables are no longer tied to Steam. If Steam ever goes offline, the executables will still work and it will be up to the community of those games to distribute them in any way, usually torrents and piracy forums, as it's done anyways in some cases.
The point is that there is a way to get the game to work.

For example, in comparison -and in contrast- the majority of Wii games with online components were completely made inaccessable when the Wii services were discontinued. Some games, like Monster Hunter 3 Tri, had half of the content under the requirement that you are online. The data was still on the disk but it was inaccessible (Hub and High Rank quests were tied to Multiplayer servers). Only about a year ago some some absolutely blessed autism managed to reverse engineer the game enough to make an open-source solution to host private servers yourself, accessing the rest of the game.

With this in mind, ALL games rely on an outside service one way or the other. Be it a storefront (digital or otherwise), a forum or a website you can download it from, or a friend who can copy the contents then send it to you by mail on a disk or whatever. The point is now how you acquire the game, but whether the game is in a playable state.

>PS4
I'm going to be honest and say that I didn't buy a Playstation since the PS3 so I concede on any and all points you may raise in connection because I'm not knowledgable on the state of the console line from that point.

>>713957761
It's afraid.

>>713963305
>If it needs to legally be playable truly offline without ANY online service
The game may still require you to connect to a service online, but as long as the service can be run by someone other than the company itself (for example by giving consumers access to the service executable so they can set it up themselves), they're in the green.