Gold/Silver/Crystal or HGSS?

>>713936669 (OP)
/v/ told me never to play remakes

>>713936669 (OP)
Gen 3 is better than anything that came before and anything that came after

>>713936669 (OP)
Drayano's HGSS rebalance

g/s, remakes has dogshit nupokemon, gen 4 cross evos are utter dogshit

>>713936669 (OP)
bw2, johto fucking sucks

palworld the better game

>>713936747
HGSS is the exception

>>713936950
HGSS - BW - BW2 are the 3 best games.

>>713936669 (OP)
HGSS is really bad from a game design standpoint. There aren't enough places to train or NPCs to fight to get your party leveled up appropriately, you can fight literally every trainer on every route and still be underleveled. The team building options are also very limited and starting with Chikorita is completely worthless. Also, they didn't bother to fix the shitty Pokemon distribution from the original games, such as having Houndour locked to the postgame.

>>713936929
lol

>>713936669 (OP)
pokemon white is the best game in the series and its not even close

>>713937290
extremely based

>>713936669 (OP)
Crystal, but HGSS is ok.

>>713936929
Based

>>713937095
Emerald, Platinum, and Yellow*

>>713936669 (OP)
Crystal with a Gameshark was so, SO good growing up. I know everyone shits on Johto for Pokemon availability but being able to that makes it perfect. Like, put Murkrow in Ilex Forest or Houndour in Burned Tower or Larvitar in the back of Mt. Mortar. With just some slight tweaks Crystal would have been peak Pokemon.

they're both good if you played the originals on release. switch between the two when you feel like it. otherwise, just play the remakes.

G/S for me. Better sprites, quicker gameplay. HGSS are an example of a remake done well, though

>>713936929
No one ever cared about turds like Gligar and Yanma. Sinnoh saved them and you know it.

the original, i hate remake redesigns,

>>713936669 (OP)
Crystal original in all cases for the series' peak soul and gameplay experience, but if you've played a pokemon before or are coming back from when you were 7, play a romhack like polishedcrystal that ups the soul even harder: it changes as little as possible (or makes the stuff they do change optional) but in doing so makes a half dozen very small quality of life fixes, very light content additions, and freshening up's you'll appreciate as a returning player, pic related.

The problem with default Johto in both versions is that even though it's the peak series roster and best region design, its level curve is horrifically fucked, so after you fight a busted early game miltank on a gym leader that's massively overtuned, you won't run into another challenge till the final 15 minutes of the entire game and are mostly going to be bored. Trainers are universally too weak, and refighting trainers is lame because they never really meaningfully progress. The romhack fixes this.

Additionally, despite including Kanto, both have INSANELY weak post-games until the last 15 minute, because they didn't do the work to make the second half of the game an actual game: it was something they threw in because they could, and the HGSS remake doesn't really fix this.

>>713936669 (OP)
originals
gen4 suffers from obscene amount of bloat and unnecessary shit

>>713938058
SOVL

the actual answer is crystal
it's really the best

>>713936669 (OP)
>>713936887
Sacred Gold/Soul Silver is to Heart Gold/Soul Silver what HG/SS is to G/S
>All non-legendaries from the first 4 gens are obtainable before the E4
>Legendaries have a series of post-game quests to obtain them
>Low-tier pokes have had minor buffs that still leave them weaker than average but at least usable
>Most HM roadblocks are removed, a few more roadblocks are added to smooth out the level curve after Whitney
>Trainers rebalanced to accommodate the increased availability, keeping battles interesting
>Too many QoL additions to name

>>713938192
link?

Crystal if you've got the money. Otherwise, Silver

>>713936669 (OP)
Platinum

>>713937249
> Underlevelled.
Most of the game comes to just abusing super effective and status effects to win anyway, if you have trouble beating the game you are a trash player.

>>713936887
Aurora Crystal soon, right? Haha...

>>713938428
HGSS are good
But crystal is where pokemon peaked

>>713937909
>No one ever cared about turds like Gligar and Yanma
Correct
>Sinnoh saved them
I don't care about them though

Gold and Silver feel fairly definitive as-is. I think the only thing added by Crystal that doesn't feel superfluous is the Celebi event with the GS Ball. It's not like Eusine, Suicune, the Unown messages, the female player character, Odd Egg, move tutors, or even the Battle Tower really add that much, and I would argue that putting more emphasis on a legendary kind of cheapens the mystique already present.

HeartGold and SoulSilver are worth playing and have a ton of content, but they're also further removed from classic Pokémon. They're more linear, more focused on legendaries, more focused on story, but they're also made to be a love letter to people who already played those games. Maybe you don't like the new National Park theme over the original because of all the flourishes, but I think anyone can like it in ADDITION to the original. Because that's what Crystal and HGSS are. They're ADDITIONS to a complete package.

>>713938394
Can't share for obvious reasons, but searching "polishedcrystal romhack" should get you on your way.

play romhacks instead

>>713939039
this is 4chan you can share shit here

>>713936669 (OP)
HG/SS

This is purely nostalgia but I miss the art from the gen 2 era, not just the sprites from GSC but also all of the spin off games and anime/manga content. Even the promotional ads and the art they used at the stores. I've always liked the levels in Stadium 2 and am hoping that maybe that battle simulator game they're making but I know it's just going to be that stadium they've shown and nothing else.
Gameplay wise just having the physical special split makes HGSS better but I think the originals play better as a full game as stupid as that sounds. Despite what I said at the top of this post I think that HGSS has the best art direction that Pokemon has ever had and I wish they would go back to it.

>>713938192
this, they backported basically all the actual mechanical improvements and good new pokemon you'd actually want from later gens, but made it work for gbc

>>713936669 (OP)
HG/SS by far.

>>713937095
B/W isn't nowhere near to the best; it was a divisive title and the begining of the end. Platinum/Emerald are the candidates.

>>713936669 (OP)
HG/SS ruin the visuals, especially at night. So classic wins, easily.

>>713939137
I miss claude

>>713940020
>; it was a divisive title
Considered that by retards who cried about the lack of Charizard.

>>713940180
me too ;w;

>>713940184
>Considered that by retards who cried about the lack of Charizard.
And the B/W apologists were too retarded to the point they didn't notice the game was a Kanto reskin while they were spouting nostalgiafag as an insult at any hint of criticism.

>>713940307
Ah yes, i really liked the kanto electric spider

>>713940417
>kanto electric spider
*Kanto's fire blitzle

>>713937095
Why do people hype gen5 so much?
The puppet animations make the sprites pixel art stretch and warp. It looks like shit
Theyre the games that started the story heavy/handholding trend that still plagues pokemon today
The new designs are uninteresting and boring
While the cities arent totally lifeless, they dont compare to earlier gens

>>713940417
>>713940516

>>713936669 (OP)
I just started playing Crystal yesterday for the first time. Gonna do this team

I already have Zubat, who do I get next?

>>713940530
>The puppet animations make the sprites pixel art stretch and warp. It looks like shit
Subjective
>Theyre the games that started the story heavy/handholding trend that still plagues pokemon today
There are people who like more emphasis on story, BW ofc is not FFX but it's a simple yet nice story like FFIV imo, unlike RSE that actually started the trend
>The new designs are uninteresting and boring
Subjective
>While the cities arent totally lifeless, they dont compare to earlier gens
Correct, in fact Castelia is the first city to actually feel like a metropolis

>>713940307
>And the [enter game here] apologists were too retarded to the point they didn't notice the game was a Kanto reskin while they were spouting nostalgiafag as an insult at any hint of criticism.
What you're describing can be any game from 1999 to now. Kanto started the niches of certain mons. Is anyone calling Staraptor a Pidgeot knockoff? No, only a retard would do that.

>>713940530
>Theyre the games that started the story heavy/handholding trend that still plagues pokemon today
No, that was GSC where it made the mistake of having the main antagonists be the leftovers of the previous game.

>>713940913
>Subjective
He's right; moving sprites brought GB era tier pixelation

>There are people who like more emphasis on story
But it has no place in games like pokemon where it becomes detrimental hindering player's liberty of playing their own adventure as intended. S&M is exactly the endgame of B&W's approach.

>Subjective
50/50

>>713941021
>What you're describing can be any game from 1999 to now

>>713941210
>S&M is exactly the endgame of B&W's approach.
I agree that S&M approach was too intrusive, but im not sure it's BW's fault, considering XY were very light on story and SM was made by a different director

>>713941021
>Is anyone calling Staraptor a Pidgeot knockoff? No
Ofc not, only you with that projection in disguise.

>Shoving Staraptor into gen 5's Kanto ripoff
A more fitting example would've been pidgey and pidove; and that would've been true for a couple reasons while the real problem for Unovapologists comes with stuff like Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee and Throh/Sawk, that was blatant.

>>713941292
I accept your concession.
>>713941210
>But it has no place in games like pokemon where it becomes detrimental hindering player's liberty of playing their own adventure as intended.
This implies Pokemon ever gave you serious freedom, instead of just take this route over this one.

>>713936839
ORAS mogs the shit out of RSE

>>713941428
>I agree that S&M approach was too intrusive, but im not sure it's BW's fault
It's exactly because B&W due being the first one forcing story. They doubled down with S&M and nobody could deny that was a trainwreck; that's what happens with story in games (in pokemon), it simply doesn't work.

I often go back to this meme and I know it to be completely true.

>>713941537
>This implies Pokemon ever gave you serious freedom, instead of just take this route over this one.
You could skip the gym order in gen 1, anon.

>>713941539
>ORAS mogs the shit out of RSE
RSE had the battle frontier and gym leader rematch; they mog ORAS outside the PSS and monpool

>>713941581
the story was fine and comfy, it was the rotomfucker and the pokeride suit that ruined it for me

>>713936669 (OP)
Gold/Silver/Crystal for me.

>>713941707
>You could skip the gym order in gen 1, anon.
Wow, you're still going to fight them all regardless.

>Can't get Sneasel early in HG/SS
It's shit

>>713940913
>The puppet animations make the sprites pixel art stretch and warp. It looks like shit
>Subjective
No, its not subjective. It lazy garbage and stretched pixel art looks awful. Anyone who thinks it looks okay is a retarded zoomer who only plays pokemon in strecthed emulator windows because they haven't discovered integer scaling yet.

If you like the garbage, thats okay. Just say that. Something being shit doesnt mean you cant personally have fun with it.

>>713941725
>the story was fine and comfy
Fine? Not a chance.
Comfy? Yeah, but mainly due the setting being great carrying it not on its own

The excessive intrusion ruined the game as a whole. It's more of a VN than a pokemon game tbqh.

>>713941776
you can find Misdreavus earlier tho

>>713941879
Nah, it's pretty subjective.

>>713941539
im-fucking-plying, that game is dogshit. tons of unnecessary changes, axes the game corner/frontier, introduced that retard known as zinia and multiverses.
>>713936747
the anti remake faggot ought to be linched. fucking autist

>>713941773
>you're still going to fight them all regardless
>moving the goalpost this hard
Well yeah. Sadly we never had a +8 gym leader pokemon game, wold've been great though.

>>713940698
>I already have Zubrat
based, you don't need anything else

>>713936669 (OP)
Perfect Crystal

>>713941976
>you will die without ever knowing the soft warm feel of a zubrats insides
grim

just finished crystal. going to transfer my guys to stadium 2 in the near future
GSC is better aesthetically but I much prefer HGSS for all the quality of life stuff. more move info, no bag limit, running shoes

ORAS did something that RSE needed bad: having a final fight with your rival where they use their fully evolved starter.

>>713936887
Bloated romhack that adds in a ton of unnecessary things

>>713941879
The sprites were meant to be seen from the DS with anti aliasing, if you play it with an emulator with integer scaling and with an higher resolution it looks good

>>713941773
The middle of gen1 being semi open to just go get badges 4,5,6 was pretty fun desu
But i bet it confused too many kids. I never understood why people struggled with sabrina when I was younger because I always just went to koga first

Pick related is what happens when the plot is thrown out the window.

>>713942164
The ds didnt have anti aliasing. Are you thinking of it being stretched on a 3ds?

>if you play it with an emulator with integer scaling and with an higher resolution it looks good
Yeah, it probably would. But if a game needs to be played on newer hardware and upscaled before it looks okay, does that mean its not shit?

>>713942459
>discord friends e4
>brown npcs outnumbering normal ones in a japanese setting
No thanks

>>713938058
Karen is so fucking hot

>>713942698
>The ds didnt have anti aliasing. Are you thinking of it being stretched on a 3ds?
Yeah, my bad
> But if a game needs to be played on newer hardware and upscaled before it looks okay, does that mean its not shit?
I guess not, but i think that's a general issue with DS games, especially the ones that tried to do something in 3D

>>713938058
jasmine's see-through skirt...

>>713936669 (OP)
og gold is shit

>>713943043
The low resolution on the DS did hurt the 3d stuff, i agree. But its a 20 year old console so it is what it is.
I didnt really consider that BW fags all hype it because they played it on emulators. I might try it that way and just put up with the story handholding.

>>713936747
It's genuinely the best remake in the history of remakes. Game Freak has never topped it.

>>713936669 (OP)
Original music is 11/10
Remake is 9/10

>>713937249
>HGSS is really bad from a game design standpoint.
yeah we got this new type dark and you can get this cool dark dog about 80 hours into the game in the old region so you see johto as a buffet of shitmons till you get to kanto but kanto's also cut in half of its content.
everything about gen 2 is the drizzling shits add kanto didnt help at all it just bloted the game into a mess

BW's story was kino and I'm tired of pretending otherwise to placate fatasses who think life peaked during a childhood fad.

>>713943535
HGSS also has the GB player, so it's 9+11

>>713943240
It's a sundress.

>>713943636
Didn't say the story was bad
Don't want it rammed down my throat every step of the way. Just let me explore the world and play the fucking game without a cutscene at every time theres a change in scenery

>>713943636
>playing games for the story
snoy tier shitaste

>>713943684

HGSS was made by the same director behind Emerald, and suddenly the level curve not getting fixed makes perfect sense when you take into consideration that that Emerald didn't fix any of the issues in RS outside of giving you the postgame RNGfest that is the BF.

>>713943820
This is a valid complaint
>>713943879
This is not

>>713943684
>GB player
doesn't sound the same

>>713938058
Where are the Black people?

HGSS is superior in every way and the only people who say otherwise are the kind of turbo autist who has a panic attack if they have to eat something other than the same chicken tenders they've eaten every day for the last 30 years.

>>713940530
gen 1 is broken (unfinshed with types that have no moves, types that dont work how there ment too it needed alot of adding on)
gen 2 is bad still broken and doesnt fix the mess
gen 3 is good still not there yet but everything is going well and in the right way foward
gen 4 everything is pretty much fixed game desgin wise...theres just one bad thing about gen 4 just a little issue, everything is slow when we was kids you be watching the tv cause the game is so fucking slow
and then there you go gen 5 the peak of the classic pokemon game design wise (before changing types going into big mode and all that shit)

FRLG was the better remake because of pick related.

>>713944178
>gen 4 everything is pretty much fixed game desgin wise
Yeah except the actual game

I played Crystral first and then went and bought Yellow afterwards. Enjoyed both.

>>713944178
Pretty much this. Gen V was them realizing IV was a lil too slow and rectifying that, and among other things, like nobody liking finite TMs.

>>713944348
Finite TMs made them feel imortant. You had to actually think about it using them.

>>713944478
you are ungodly stupid

>>713941539
Said nobody.

>>713944178
So you didnt disagree with any of the bad points I raised about gen 5. Just complained about the others

You're allowed to enjoy garbage. But that doesnt make it good. Gen 5 is a downgrade from the previous games.

>>713944478
It made them feel important to the point of detriment and reduced the desire for experimentation and variety in pokemon teams.

>>713944517
I accept your concession.

>>713944631
Why do people hype gen5 so much?
you asked that I answered, I give zero fucks what you think

>>713944631
Yawncuck, your mom gargles my cum.

>>713944517
I'm not wrong

>>713944665
yes you are prending you have a working skull I know

another decisive victory for unovachads

>>713936747
and they were correct

>>713943953
You're choosing it at will, hipocrite. People liking it is one thing, assuming it's good because they liked it is another.

>>713944478
This. Same thing with shinies, they used to be a thing but then gf casualized it and now they're worthless and lost the purpose they were created for.

>>713936669 (OP)
Original. Heart and Soul unironically lack heart and soul.

>>713944765
>you are prending
>prending
whatever, pajeet

>>713944178
>here's your peak of classic pokemon bro

>>713944896
>Heart and Soul unironically lack heart and soul.
The Ho-oh track proves you wrong with no comeback chance.

>>713944665
>>713944712
since theres two of you retards, a game is for fun not busywork like you two fuckstains want, oh I used my tm for EQ so now I gotta breed it onto this then that, all you want is added bloat cause you dont have a life nor fucking anything to do in it

Anti-Infinite TMfags are dumb. I would have killed for infinite TMs playing the previous games. Movepools were fucking terrible back then.

>>713944642
Yes, it did make it not worth swapping mons out later.
It would probably be better if in post-game they just opened up a way to teach TM moves in infinite amounts.

>>713944947
I never said gen 3 was bad
I talked about the game design
what is this bullshit about, make sense idiot

>>713945039
Why the fuck would I waste time breeding specific shit
>play the game
>beat it
>funs finished, on to the next game
Where's the bloat?

>>713944947
There's uniroincally more pokemon diversity to be seen on the right than the left which was just chinchou, ralicanth and clamperl.

>>713945067
genwarfags (and most of /vp/) don't actually have working brains.

>>713945067
Yes. Thats why TMs were so important.

>>713945376
to do the post game in Gen 3 and 5 or are you a shitter that didnt even try it says his beaten a game but hasn't done the postgame lol

>>713945067
>Scarlet and Violet got rid of infinite TMs altogether
This is why I don't take anyone that likes the Switch entries seriously.

The remakes are everything you could ever want in the game as you could rematch all the gym leaders. Also saw one place at the mall trying to sell the game just the game no box or anything for 175 dollars

>>713945454
And that's why people held on to them. Take that Xatu pic for example, if I wanted to teach Xatu Psychic, I would have to wait until the postgame to get it in Saffron City, or wait even longer and grind for level 65. But wait! Why even do that? Xatu is downright inferior to Kadabra who can get it way earlier at level 38? Johtomons can't get a break.

>>713945067
no anon just lv it too 65 so you can breed this shitmon with another then you can get psychic on the pokemon you want who cares if you wasted a few hours!

>>713945067
>Anti-Infinite TMfags are dumb
People making a different opinion a concept making it sound like an ideology sound so fucking weird and cringeworthy. I take it, you like your pokemon team having the same moves due infinite tm, but that's not a good way

>I would have killed for infinite TMs playing the previous games
Use a pokemon with pick up ability, ez rare candies and TM

>>713943636
>fatasses who think life peaked during a childhood fad
ironic

>>713945647
>i dont want bloat and busywork
>yeah i love breeding to grind specific movesets and ivs for rng postgame

>>713945865
>I take it, you like your pokemon team having the same moves due infinite tm
You make it sound like everyone got Earthquake and Thunderbolt ASAP but they made those late or even post-game.

>>713945876
Unovasisters... the weather has been put against us...

>>713945865
>Use a pokemon with pick up ability, ez rare candies and TM
just run about with 3 zigzagoons but make sure you lv them up for those free rare candies more and more busywork

>>713946020
>You make it sound like everyone got Earthquake and Thunderbolt ASAP
Yes but with shadow claw. Most likely in Excadrill.

>>713946064
>tfw zigza and linoone are your favorite mon

>>713946064
Not just that, but you need them to be level 90 minimum to get that sweet, sweet Earthquake tm.

>>713944869
>You must be Nick
wtf that's my name

>>713946180
>audino
>lucky egg
>exp handhold in gen 5 at low level
>exp share
ez to get there

>>713944869
kys, HGSS are the best pokemon games and there's nothing you can do about it

>>713945982
I said I didnt want to beed moves about for every fucking mon I would wanna give a try and see if I like them or not, your then just playing the fucking game while on serebii making sure everything is inch perfect and you havent fucked up
making a team for the post is where you can be autistic and break that rng, you coping mong

>>713944219
>getting more poke than you deserve
you didn't beat the game

>>713944869
>reading is BAD

>>713936669 (OP)
polished crystal

>>713945361
>here is your peak of game design bro

>>713946671
did you use flash?

>>713946671
hi yawncuck

>>713944478
>You had to actually think about it using them.
that's nice and all, but if you were into pvp it was it's a kick to the balls to have to beat the game again to get another one, just like tutor moves.
>>713944870
shinies were always pointless. something that kids would brag about having.

>>713946671
Can you that with route 1 comparison. That destroys B/W plebs with no chance of comeback.

>>713946821
Sure

>>713946896
Damn...

>>713946797
>something that kids would brag about having.
That was the point and why easy to access isn't a good thing; it lose it value just like TMs. They should have been limited in use instead of going 1 to infinite.

>>713946896
No, anon. The one when you start, not with the postgame access.

>>713946896
>>713946973
BRUTAL MOGGING!!!!

>>713947030
>No, anon. The one when you start, not with the postgame access.
backtracking is le bad!

>>713947224
It's not backtracking; it's postgame due level +50.

>>713947030
>and why easy to access isn't a good thing; it lose it value just like TMs
But you didn't get easy access you inane retard. You had to play the game till the late game to get access to the strong TMs, and they even made them late game prizes to explore for.

>>713944869
The person who spams this also worships the stories of Gens 7, 8, and 9 despite wordswordswordswords.

>>713941539
>playing new gens
I should rape you for that shit

>>713947340
>You had to play the game till the late game to get access to the strong TMs
Once again; shadow claw is easy to access and early in the game. Also; gym leaders TMs that were very good on their own. You'd be stupid to rely on the gen 1 earthquake meme in gen 5, but then again unovababbies are quite ironic as a whole.

>>713941539
heres you free kool-aid latios =3

>>713947446
You'd have to actually leave your moms house for that
If you do actually manage to leave your room, come say goodbye to me and your mom first

>>713947446
>new
anon..

>>713947571
you also get surf midgame and no water type needs anyother move most likely can do gen 1 with blastoise and surf

>>713947820
I'd say that by Nimbasa you already broke the game in terms of access to moves in both games. By driftveil in bw or bw2 you destroyed any chance of challenge and we're talking in the easiest gen of all. Insane how much stuff you access in driftveil city in bw2

>>713947571
>Once again; shadow claw is easy to access and early in the game.
You get it on the sixth gym leader, which is not early game at all. You have yet to even present a good argument.

>>713947820
https://youtu.be/1pr0115s4Wg?t=1226

>>713947980
>we're talking in the easiest gen of all.
LMAOOOO

>>713947980
>and we're talking in the easiest gen of all.
That would still be Gen 2, the worst Gen.

>>713947980
whats that doom tweet, you control the buttons you press
why do you think nuzlocks was made dumbass

I cannot believe there are people against reusable TMs simply because they were introduced in the oval region.

>>713948210
Nobody really is, but some people with no lives can only get off on being contrarian shitposters

>>713936839
spbp

>>713948210
being contrarian is the bread and butter of these faggots, these obvious /vp/ tourists are no different. there's been a pretty well known one that bashes the physical/special split in gen 4 for some reason.

>>713937249
thats because you have to use your cellphone NPCs rematches

>>713936669 (OP)
Virtual Console Crystal or Heart Gold.
>why Virtual Console
Because you get the Odd Egg and the Celebi event.

>>713936669 (OP)
I am sure the remakes are as fantastic as /v/irgins here say but what these zoomies don't get is I just like the visuals of the old Pokemon games because to me that is just what Pokemon should look like. It gets way too weird looking the more advanced the graphics get.

Even then I don't think some of the most recent 3D games even look all that good. Its not just me who thinks it either. I have seen that webm that compared modern Pokemon battles with the way they were depicted in the Stadium games and you clearly see a lack of effort put into detailing the battles. Gamefreak seriously just lazy it up.

So you can all keep your gameplay mechanics. I much prefer the soul of the originals.

>>713944869
>shitting on the Ho-Oh summoning
You are aggressively retarded and malicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9fhwQ3f9g4

>>713947992
>which is not early game at all.
Yeah, it's mid game. Early is even easier and by when mid game hits the easy movepool access appearing noticeably things are really fucking bad.

>>713948210
Your 24 move slots being the same moves taking +10 isn't a good thing. You only need to take off your bias googles, stop and check your team. That's how I realized it. Infinite TMs are good on paper, but the execution is what really matters.

>>713948850
>black filter
ew...

>>713949318
It's cool but I also think it kinda sucks in a way. I dislike that there are multiple people present for it, that they're "summoning" it for you when before, it was a Pokémon you reached entirely on your own. A Rainbow Feather ending up in your possession after your heroic deeds was enough proof, it was your ticket to enter its domain. HGSS forces you to encounter your version mascot before Kanto, which takes away from the special feeling of finding it. By telegraphing everything and forcing you into being the chosen one, it loses my respect. The music and presentation are good, just not the design.

>>713949347
>Your 24 move slots being the same moves
This never once happened to me. Self inflected skill issue.

Lugia eat me

>>713949796
>This never once happened to me
You did, don't lie. You just didn't notice. We were conditionated to use and abuse TMs locking us to the same moves for the main game instead of relying on the important side of move choice. And why would anyone bother? TMs are fucking infinite and are more powerful moves than the ones your team is learning normally for the main game.

Contradictory design choices are gen 5's speciality,

>>713949347
>black filter
I don't even know what this means, but if it's about how the game looks, you can return both games to their original resolutions by just holding start or select while you boot them up on the 3DS, Crystal even gets a GBC border.

>>713950207
VC games on 3DS have a dark filter applied to them.

>>713950034
>Contradictory design choices are gen 5's speciality,
Name another faggot

>>713950412
Choosing the E4 battle order.

>choose the order
>You have to beat them all anyway
>mfw
WHAT'S THE POINT LMAO?! It's a literal gimmick lol At least it should affect the league champion in some way but nothing but a pre-battle visual setpiece

>>713950034
>oh man I can't wait to slap volt switch on my entire team
said no one ever

>>713951048
>trying to gaslight volt switch wasn't one of the best moves ever

>>713951048
>>713951170
volt-switch emolga into excadrill = tactical nuke

i wish most romhacks wasnt just smogon meta slop

>>713938058
>Janine rather than Koga
wut?

>>713936669 (OP)
I prefer the originals for the TM distribution and visuals, but both are good.

>>713948514
Really highlights the difference between intended patterns of play and how the modern audience plays it. The days of the week and rematch system doesn't work it you sit down and binge the game for 3 days. The devs clearly intended people to slowly play the game out over many weeks.

Look at this birb

>>713950261
They're also backlit so you aren't relying on the sun to tell what you're even doing, nor are you having to buy batteries for both the cartridge and the handheld, the only other platforms Crystal can run on that are backlit and don't have the filter are the N64 with a Transfer Pak and Stadium 2 or a GBA SP, even then each version misses out on something the others have.
Playing Crystal on the N64 gets you direct connectivity between Stadium 2 and Crystal, but it's no longer portable and you don't get the Odd Egg or Celebi events.
Playing Crystal on a GBA SP is the only way Crystal can be backlit and unfiltered while still being portable, but no events and since it's not Stadium 2 you don't get to speed up the game.
Playing Crystal on a 3DS makes the game backlit and portable, it gets you the Odd Egg and Celebi events and there is no battery to run dry like there is for the original cartridge, but it has a dark filter and it can't connect to Stadium 2.
Pick your poison, none of them do everything every other version can all at once, so you may as well play the one you dislike the least, there is no such thing as the definitive gen 2 experience, which sucks, but there's also nothing that can be done about it.

>>713953498
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vanilla gen 2