On Wednesday July 2nd at 8am CET we are going to start a Twitter campaign to get #StopkillingGames trending to help to get it past 1 million signatures. Post OC images that can be used for shit posting on that day.

>>713963170 (OP)
>WAAAAAH WHY WON'T COMPANIES DO SOMETHING AGAINST THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS SO I CAN KEEP PLAYING GAMES???
Gamers are pathetic

>>713963457
>WHY WON'T COMPANIES DO SOMETHING AGAINST THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS
They will once the EU makes them

I'm not european, not my problem.

Their scared

>>713963457
>>713963602
Notice how the jeet shills come into the thread immediately now?

>noooo you HAVE to support the game you made FOREVER!!!
>because I say so!
lol?

>>713963645
>Their
Pinnacle of irony

>>713963569
Communist scum

>>713963645
whose scared?

>>713963705
you're like shitcoiners on /biz/ claiming that somebody is being paid to 'fud' their shitcoin

>>713963840
READ NIGGA READ

>>713963925
Theirs, use your eyes

>>713963457

>>713963970
>no we aren't
>actually yes we are

>>713963170 (OP)
This id the future you choose.

>>713964046
your definition of "supporting" is arbitrary and wrong

>>713963956
>>713963925
Jeet shill damage control

>>713964031
I found out recently that this was also used for the console version of Spy vs Spy as well, meaning it was super easy to keep the multiplayer part of the game running if you wanted to emulate them.

Friendly reminder that Game Judas can't make videos until the recent controversy blows over, because if he does all the drama youtubers will cover it and as a result SKG will get enough attention to carry it over he finish line.

By keeping this going, you are essentially putting his revenue stream on pause.

>>713963170 (OP)
Why the hell did he pick Wednesday instead of the weekend?
>>713964015
Sauce

>>713964139
So what happens in the case of it actually hitting the goals? Abandons his streams forever?

>>713964156
According to data, most EU people use twitter on wendesdays.

>>713964139
SO LONG, GAY JUDAS

>>713963903
Bait
But I'll never understand the
>having laws is le gommunism
Attitude. Seat-belts and non-leaded pipes are le communism in that case too. You'd literally have to be a demonic psychopath to oppose them though

>>713964156
Surprisingly Twitter usage peaks on Wednesday mornings and lowers on weekends

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNdM8MRyY8

Kinda wish there's some grassroots movement here within the board too. I dunno, something like #stopshillinggames

FUCK FAGGOT SOFTWARE
LET'S GET THIS SHIT PASSED

>Be australian
>Visit parents for weekend
>Dad, who played a ton of PC games back in the 90's with me, asked what this SKG thing is about
>Have a good conversation with him about it
>"Huh, modern games are pretty shit huh?"
>Load up the OG xbox he still has and played Halo campaign Co-op for old times sake.
You fags are doing something right.

I would support this but the push for this shit feels so artificial and shilled that I'm not going to support it out of principle. It's so obvious that you fags are from reddit.

nobody cares about this shit
its a few mental patients spamming the internet to try and make it a thing
there is no realm of possibility where you can influence a government to force video game developers worldwide to spend huge amounts of resources building in permanency into their systems
it's an unreasonable expectation that only severe autismos in fantasy land could arrive at

bottom line: nobody owes this to you

this is not a 'seat belts and lead pipes' situation, its a leisure activity and you want to force developers to create software that they will be forced to distribute for free

that's not even getting into the DRM purposes of live service, to ensure that people cannot access the content/ip without paying for license/agreement on how to sue it

>>713964419
things that happened

>>713964512
Worse, they're from Europe.

>>713964187
>So what happens in the case of it actually hitting the goals?
If it passes, my guess is that he just moves on and hopes people forget about the role he had to play in it. The r/piratesoftware subreddit has been totally locked down lately, with no mention of the recent controversy at all. He did the same thing when M A N A G E M happened, he knows his audience will turn on him if they see his true face so he's planning on hiding the truth from hem for as long as possible. That's going to be difficult though considering the comments sections of his videos are going to look like pic related for the foreseeable future.

I'll sign your petition if you include a photograph of your hand to prove you are white, with a timestamp, and also "Fuck kikes, beaners, niggers, and AGPtroons" written under the timestamp.

>>713964546
>630k signatures
>"nobody cares"

>>713964546
lol, STFU faggot

>>713964546
When you don't care so you spend 10 minutes writing a post in Hindu than using Google translate to turn it into English

nice examples of super popular games saved by ethical support

I bet all 12 players represented by that entire list are thrilled.

>>713964725
SAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE SIGNATURE

>>713964673
>400k signatures from people who think piratesoftware is a fag and are doing it to get at him further
funny thing is your gay little internet activism would be nowhere without that dipshit negging it

>>713964273
This will forever be the thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKgACxsA7H4

Alternatively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LwLUv6k23o

>>713964725
Sheep mentality.
>No one else is playing this game! I can't play it!
I will load up my PS2 games to play even if no one else in the world is doing it.

>>713964776
>paid jeets area fudding my shitcoin
>they are out to get us!

>>713964234
If said anon is American, he might genuinely believe think that kind of laws are communism. Many Americans I have talked with finds government IDs and public transit communism in my country(and well many Americans thinks my country is very communist in general and very Russian too).
Still I think this whole initiative would just benefit everyone and signed it last year already. Hopefully we get more people from all around EU, my country has more than enough votes already but I'll make some of my extended family to also vote for it.

what happened to NYPA?

>>713963170 (OP)
old classic if people don’t have it yet

Reminder to thank your local finn for having the highest per capita and your local kraut for highest overall.

it's communism because they want to use state power to force somebody to perform labor and then distribute the product for free to 'the people'

it is quintessentially communist, and I'm sorry that you cannot see it

>>713963170 (OP)
>>713964945
'nother

>>713964139
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713964824
SAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE SIGNATURE

>>713964512
support SKG NIGGER

>>713965003
Still think RWS are fags for making Postal 4 as mediocre as it was, but will always give them credit for public support of this.

Petitions without time limits are legitimately jokes. If it takes you more than a year (and that's being generous) just to force enough public support, it should be tanked.
I've thought Pirate guy was a fag before I even knew this existed, but I'm not going to use that to change my stance.

>>713964967
>it is communism to make sure that a product that people bought and is no longer being sold, is able to continue to exist
I bet you are jewish and wish you could make people's possession just vanish.

>>713964784
https://youtu.be/en7Tww7SAuM?si=OURjgCdS130rSg4r

>>713965008
I'm not a shitjeet, I just think you faggots are super annoying and doing a horrible job of representing yourselves.

You cannot guilt trip or browbeat people into supporting this type of thing. All you can do is present it explain why you think its and hope for the best.

If you sink down to shitslinging and this cult bullshit, you just make yourselves look bad, and that is why this has gone nowhere for a long time now.

>look at past actions & results tab
>"we bugged a dozen global agencies about a gay racing game"
>"none of them did anything about it"
Grim

It's funny how the hate for piratesoft makes /v/ act like over ambitious girl scouts.

Not thread theme, board theme to remind people that /v/ loves vidya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTx0709z2Ao

>>713965116
do they pay you poopoomen hourly or per post

>>713965082
what product did you buy?

>>713965164
>makes /v/
It's not /v/. It's a ton of redditors going on an internet crusade.

>>713965172
do you think this type of post helps your cause, or hurts it?

>>713965165
I don't think you could have picked a more faggy /v/sings

>>713965193
>>713965243
>>713965281
would the pay be enough for someone living in a first world country? what agency did you go through?

>support my internet crusade or you are a...
>indian
>nazi
>jew
>chud
>incel

>>713963170 (OP)
>retarded goyim cattle forgot about piracy, gotta CONSOOM slopmasters

Yeah I'm thinking go fuck yourself, none of you cared about game preservation when flash died or the thousands of online web MMO's shut down.

>>713963170 (OP)
Will the EU consider the petition even if it doesn't reach the goal? It is probably the only petition in recent years to receive 6 digit signatures and shouldn't that in and by of itself be grounds for them to investigate?

>>713965193
There's some MMOs I used to play that I wish were still functional in some sort of way, such as Darkfall, Shadowbane, The Matrix Online, Marvel Heroes, Wildstar, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, to name a few.

>>713965116
SAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE SIGNATURE

So its at 630k (getting about 30k a day), if it keeps that pace it'll get the million with like 3 days to spare. But there's a good chance it looses the momentum it has right now unless european gaming youtubers and streamers keep shilling this

>>713965381
Supposedly, some MEPs are surprised it has gotten this far without any official funding compared to other initiatives.
I need a source for it though.

>>713965281
helps, mussies live in europe, not jeets.
mussies like jeet hating.

>>713965420
30k times 30 days would be 900k. It oy needs around 11k a day

>>713965379
To be fair they were 5 when that happened.

Main Gamersnexus channel mention has arrived
https://youtu.be/j51lNAw08Z8?si=M3e35EKR2cu3kdnI

>>713965053
Oh nvm it does have a time limit. Good luck with that kek.

>1 million signatures and some unelected bureaucrat might look at our whining about a racing game nobody played getting shut down, then toss it in his recycle bin

In pre-2010, this kind of initiative would've been supported by all of /v/.
But for some reason we have people being contrarians or genuine corpo bootlickers because they fear things that go even a bit against the rich is "communism".

It's scary.

>>713965379
The biggest problem is that before no one was willing to go through legal channels to do it, it was just bitching, moaning and shitposting. No one actually fucking did anything, including you other than pirating.

>>713963903
it would be a shame if regulations target large corporations for once instead of being used by them to stifle competition

>>713965486
Nah, 30k a day for 30 days is good since overshooting the goal is better than just reaching it.

>>713965518
Jason is cooked

>>713965486
oh shit im retarded, I think I read some google AI slop answer lmao
I fucking hate AI so much, its good for memes and porn but it is so fucking retarded

>>713965550
It's the same thing that happened to /tg/: Apathy. /tg/ used to get shit done and was a bastion of new interesting homebrews to spice up the tabletop scene, now it is endless 40k generals and bumped threads talking about innocuous shit.

>>713964958
Yes, Pious had told him of that land and Chaste had pointed him to the way but the reason was that in the way he fell in with a certain whore of an eyepleasing exterior whose name, she said, is Bird-in-the-Hand and she beguiled him wrongways from the true path by her flatteries that she said to him as, Ho, you pretty man, turn aside hither and I will show you a brave place, and she lay at him so flatteringly that she had him in her grot which is named Two-in-the-Bush or, by some learned, Carnal Concupiscence.

>>713963170 (OP)
The EU isn't your friend, stop trying to get this to work with the EU. The EU just recently passed guidelines alongside the anti-gacha ones that will designate video games as not suitable for kids and therefore not allowed to be sold within the EU (not even to adults) if they contain undesired political themes. It lets them ban practically every game and Steam was already forced to prevent access to 40% of its library to EU users because of shit like this. The EU will always go too far on these things and the reality is that this will not make games better because now every game is going to be a Call of Duty, because re-releasing a game every year and then automatically making the previous game defunct is the only way you can then have multiplayer.

>>713965550
>run absolutely horrible PR campaign full of screeching redditors browbeating people and calling them nazis for not instantaneously agreeing with their preachy bullshit
>try to cancel some dipshit and his youtube channel because he DARED to disagree with le plebbit hivemind, revealing to any concerned party what type of person is behind this
>"but for SOME reason we have people being contrarians or genuine corpo bootlickers..."

>>713965627
>alongside the anti-gacha ones
Based EU lol. Gacha games are automatically F- tier and anyone who enjoys them should be shot.

>>713965547
Ahktually we are spinning the narrative so that it's all about owning some fag that /v/ already hates!
P-PLEASE SIGN

So is there a reason not to support this as a consoomer?

>>713963170 (OP)
if you don't support this you basically forbid yourself from buying games on sales to play them on your future new rig which is fucking dumb

>>713965627
Banning gacha games is 1000% morally justified though.

>>713965547
The 1 million sign is to buy the lottery ticket. If you don't play you can't win.

>>713965663
>because he DARED to disagree with le plebbit hivemind
Why are you intentionally being dishonest about the PirateSoftware situation? He didn't just disagree, he straight up misrepresented the whole thing and continually outright lied.

>>713965674
I've been deliberately thinking of one for the last 11 months.
Literally zero. At worst they might try to use it to justify increased game costs but that shit balloons regardless of the fact and if the expiration date thing goes through - it will be marketing suicide to increase the price AND tell the customer outright that they dont own shit.

>>713963170 (OP)
Is there anything like Craigslist in the EU where I can post an ad and buy people's signature?

>>713965663
Imagine being a professional internet shill whose job it is to spread misinformation, and this is the best you can do.

Ubisoft is paying you way too much.

>>713963170 (OP)
Yet another antisemitic thread. Get new material already.

>>713965736
>he straight up misrepresented the whole thing
the SKG website does a pretty good job of that on its own lmao

>>713965736
He didn't lie. You lied. You scum lie constantly. That's why you didn't get massive popular support for something that should have been a no-brainer.

You lied. You bullied. You screeched.

You fucked up, and instead of fading away and trying again in a year or two, you kept going and tried to power through. Now here we are with you trying and failing at the same tactic you always used.

Lie. Screech. Bully. It's all you know, because that is what you are.

>>713965736
>liar continues lying
>why are you intentionally being dishonest

>>713965670
>>713965698
Are you retarded? I explained that it never means what it says on the tin and you just swallowed it up like cucks. Do you genuinely think the EU mass surveillance plans called Chatcontrol is really about protecting children too when Microsoft and Google are forced to install trojans on your device? No, the same way it's not about being anti-gacha, it's about sliding in guidelines that gives the EU full creative control of what's allowed and what isn't. We already have the total muslimification with console platforms, where games like Ready or Not are forced to suck off Saudi values

>>713964725
It was definitely worth saving Knockout City...

>>713965370
Pretty much how it works if you want votes. You need to tell your supporters that they're heroes fighting for a good cause and that only those who sign the glorious initiative shall inherit the earth. It sounds like it shouldn't work, that people couldn't be this pliable, but it does. And it took them 11 months to realize that you appealing to emotions works better than relying on facts.

>>713963170 (OP)
I wouldn't sign this even if I was European because it's a dogshit proposal, it's going to make it illegal to develop an MMO in the future.

>>713965379
I archive niche historical and archeological shit, how about you not make assumptions

>>713965381
THEORETICALLY someone at the EU commission can just smack it on the table even if it doesn't get the signatures. In practice impossible.
>>713965547
ECI's are incredibly powerful. Only 10 of them have ever gathered the 1 million signatures. 9 of them produced results (changed laws etc.) The one outlier didn't change anything because IIRC they deemed current law was sufficient but it wasn't being enforced, so even it got something done

>>713965841
>crying out while you strike this hard
(((you)))
ferret fucker your body language when lying sucks dick.

>>713965627
>The EU isn't your friend
?
>standardised usb-C
based
>forced Valve to do refunds for videogames
based
>GDPR
based
>and now they can force videogame publishers into bending the knee and letting consumers take back control of the games they paid for
GIGA BASED!

>>713965674
This is the closes you will ever get to a 100% good cause with no downside at all. It's such a no-brainer that the only people against it are the ones who have a major financial stake in games continuing to be destroyed.

As a pirate, this means I don't have to wait on an autist to make a fake server for games to call to access the multiplayer portions of the game.
Win-win, literally no downsides for me.

>>713965674
to own the libs :)

>>713965920
>100% good cause with no downside at all
vapid communist lies

>>713963170 (OP)
don't care lmao
t. eurochad

>>713965556
People have cracked shit for the longest time including running their own servers. The legality is the least of the concerns as different countries have different laws to omit that. Look at WoW 1.12 private servers. Those have been running for years, with cash/item shop transactions.

>>713965663
Anon.
Do you vote on things depending on the PR or what they are actually about? Do you value good PR over good laws?
Like you can think some publicity stuff is embarrassing or cringe or whatever, but if you refuse to vote for good laws or initiatives because of "screeching redditors", then I don't know. I fear you would be the kind of person who votes someone who is stupid, drives just their own interests, stomps on poor people and working class, but is good at speaking and PR.
I hope I'm wrong about the last part, but it gives me that kind of picture when you rather talk about people acting stupid than actual issues.

>>713965841
>He didn't lie
He did though. He tried to make it seem like devs/publishers needed to always keep their game servers running for eternity, which is obviously a lie. They can just release server code/software for self-hosting.

>>713965674
If the money you'll make from stealing people's games outweighs any moral dilemma you may be having.

>>713965873
Just make MMO devs release the infrastructure that makes it possible to run it yourself.

>>713965874
If you don't share it, it dies with you

>>713965981
Don't forget "convert multiplayer games to singleplayer ones" because of his assumption of what it was about before he read it.

>>713965873
>it's going to make it illegal to develop an MMO in the future
In what way? All the developers would need to do upon end of service is just to release the code to allow private servers. It's something that developers did all the time back the day.

>>713965960
well hold on
i'm a pirate but i still see value in "owning" a game on steam or epic and being able to download ikt anywhere and any time and not have to deal with cracks and private servers on dead games

Friendly reminder.

>>713963170 (OP)
i made a few

I've seen less delusional /pol/ threads than this.

>>713965961
>see a bunch of screeching communist faggots waving signs and burning flags
>HOW COM U DONT LISTEN TO THEM MAYBE THEY HAVE GOOD IDEA???

>>713965981
>They can just release server code/software for self-hosting
oh is that all? just 'release the server code'! so easy! my gosh why don't they all do that already?

>>713965674
It's an anti-semetic initiative

>>713965920
>no downside at all
But it will damage the videogame CEOs Christmass Bonus! Think of the poor CEOs! Think of those billion dollar videogame publishers! They need the power to kill your games! They need the power to remove your videogames from your library(not even memeing, they literally removed games from peoples libraries)!

>>713965570
what a disgusting looking incel.

>>713965674
No.

>>713965873
based, all mmos are shovelware

>>713966058
>oh is that all? just 'release the server code'! so easy!
Yes, it is incredibly easy. Developers used to do that all the time back in the day.
>my gosh why don't they all do that already?
They used to, but then developers and publishers became greedy jews who want to hang onto their game/IP "just in case".

>>713966037
>>713965993
If MMO developers need to rework their whole games so that they can be played solo after release they aren't going to bother, that's an insane amount of programming to rebalance and rework everything so that it works offline. It's not possible.

Someone post the boycott MW2 steam group

>>713965913
>>GDPR
>based
It's funny that you think people follow this.

>>713965960
>bu-but you can just pirate and reverse engineer
This is not about the games you pirate, this is about the games you paid money for. When i pay money for a game i expect it not to be removed from my library just because some faggot CEO decided that they were not making enough profits. I paid for a game, i did not pay for a monthly subscibtion so it can be taken away from me.

If you say "if you disagree with us you are evil, sign this or you are extra evil"

Then, I am going to wonder what is actually going on, and what your ulterior motive is. It's really that simple.

I don't need to know what the catch is, to know there is a catch.

>dev shuts down game
>EU issues them a fine for not complying
>dev happily pays the fine because it's cheaper than making an offline version of their game
This is what will happen.

>>713963170 (OP)
I signed it

>>713966139
It wouldn't matter if at the design stage you plan to have it.
Besides, FFXIV implemented the trust system so that solo players can still do raids and dungeons offline with bots. Not to mention WoW private servers that exist.
This also extends to Guild Wars, OSRS and others.

>>713966139
>If MMO developers need to rework their whole games
They don't. Just release the game/server code and let people use/reverse engineer it. It's super fucking simple, and pretty much it used to be. How do you think all those ancient MMOs were able to have 1000 private servers after they shut down?

>>713966058
>communist
Have you actually read the FAQ if you are interested?
I fear you are just trying to find excuses to not support it: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq
Like you have nothing to lose. You are spending more time complaining about people than talking about initiative and why you disagree with it.

Also if you are just pretending to be a contrarian to make people who doesn't like initiative look bad, then please don't. It is more healthy to have an actual discussion.

>>713966179
>i did not pay for a monthly subscibtion so it can be taken away from me
you literally did though, you the illiterate lazy pissbaby simply didn't read the license agreement

>>713966183
See >>713965674

>>713964234
Its futile and short sighted.

Your multi million dollar game companies will just stop providing the services they are mandated to continue, look for the nearest loophole, or leave the EU out of their service network. Playstation already does this sort of thing with PSN, no less.
>does this mean we shouldnt even try

Essentially, yes it does. Im sorry to all the clowns to bought and had fun with games that they knew were gonna be kill someday. Feel free to stop throwing your money into a fire.

>>713966214
Based vidya butts.
Reminder, Gacha games DO have EoL plans, so once again, based asians.

>>713966164
>It's funny that you think people follow this.
What do you mean? Since the GDPR law passed, I have been able to write to any company anywhere in the world and request any data they have on me, and I have also been able to make them delete it. It's super based.

>>713966184
>This is what will happen.
EU fines can grow and when it comes to corporations they fine them with a % instead with a set amount. That's why EU fines can be in the billions. I think that simply giving people the server binaries so people can make their private servers would be a lot cheaper to videogame publishers than getting fined by the EU.

>>713966220
I read the entire website before. It sounds juvenile and unprofessional. It's also full of lies and deceit. Using example of dead games with zero players as 'success stories' is deceptive.

You should never actually link to the website if you are trying to convince people, because it probably does more harm than good.

>>713964546
>Huge amount of resources
>Literally just add back lan and dedicated server tools

>>713966184
I dunno, that seems dumb. It would be better to make the game work offline and try to profit off of it by selling it for as long as possible. Companies still get to be greedy dicks and people can have their game mostly intact.

>>713966184
If an online-only game is already running on a server, they would just have to release the server code. It would cost them nothing. There's no extra cost or development required.

>>713966184
>paying a multi-million dollar fine is cheaper than getting an intern to package a consumer version of the dev tools

>>713966058
>so easy!
This isn't and will never be an argument against the initiative. It doesn't matter if it's cheap, or easy or anything else that benefits the developer. It's their obligation to not steal products from their customers.
If they wish to sell a service (like an MMO) then they are free to do so after appropriately labeling it as such and would not be obligated to release anything. That's one of the main points of the initiative: to make it clear to consumers when making a purchase whether that purchase is for a product or service since only one of those things can be legally revoked.

>>713966316
So if no one is playing a game then it should rot and burn?
Guess my copy of Taz Wanted should forever go away even though I do pick it up every few years.

>>713966362
nobody is stealing a product
you bought a license to use a product according to the owner of the software's whims

>>713966229
I don't have to read it. Obfuscating shit like that is illegal in the EU. If a game is a GaaS they have to have this said on the store page. So if a store sells you something without pointing it out the videogame store is liable and so is the videogame publisher.

>>713966220
The entire FAQ is Ross making stuff up. He should have consulted actual devs.

>>713966263
>stop providing the services they are mandated to continue,
they will be fined
>look for the nearest loophole,
and the EU will take them to court
>or leave the EU out of their service network.
this is the "billionaires will leave if we force them to not be psychopathic ghouls" argument - good riddance to bad trash
also they won't because they'd lose out on a massive wealthy market, any money they lose on keeping the service running is microscopic compared to being allowed to operate in the EU

you retarded faggot

>>713966058
>oh is that all? just 'release the server code'! so easy! my gosh why don't they all do that already?
You tell me.

>>713966427
>The entire FAQ is Ross making stuff up
Can you give 3 examples?

>>713965674
only for the sake of pure contrarianism

>>713966424
>I don't have to read it. Obfuscating shit like that is illegal
how is giving you a document to read and agree to before you use the software 'obfuscation'?

>>713966263
>I'll sell my products elsewhere!!!
Lol, LMAO even.

Piracy preserves tons of games but zoomers are slowly becoming tech illiterate so that can't be relied on forever.

Stop killing games is more about stopping developers from being jewish and introducing planned obsolence in games that don't need it, or requiring games that are sold as services to declare end dates, say that you are RENTING and can on longer use "BUY" in it's vocabulary to trick people into buying it with false expectations.

Yes gamers and nerds are autistic even in current year who knew, but this is of interest to anyone who enjoys gaming and consumer rights as well as introduce the concept of fighting back against corporate jewery to a wider population. It could contribute to a domino effect where this gets more people fighting against Tesla or whatever bricking your car's mandatory engine software in the future.

The ulterior motive being there is no rational argument that exists against consumer rights unless you like having corporate slop you buy break down every two years.

>>713966183
>be me, walking down the street minding my own business
>mugger steps out of an alley, pulls out a gun and tells me to hand over my wallet
>somebody nearby sees what's happening and starts to call the cops
>I stop them because the mugger is entitled to his opinion that he should get all my money, and just because I disagree with him about that one issue, it doesn't mean he's a bad person
>happily hand over my wallet to the criminal
>I continue on my way and the mugger shoots the person who tried to help me in the face and then proceeds to loot their corpse

>>713966179
You actually own the cracked/pirated games since the DRM restrictions are removed (though sometimes at the cost of multiplayer). Games can be taken away from you according to EULA that you should read, they tell you that "If you don't agree, don't use the software".

>>713963170 (OP)
Where was this when Microsoft and Sony was the ones doing it first? Why is this suddenly happening after Nintendo followed in their steps?

RELEASE THE BINARIES
RELEASE THE SERVER SOURCE CODE
RELEASE THE MODIFIED SOURCE CODE OR BINARIES IF THERE'S A RIGHTS ISSUE, LIKE HALF A YEAR OF WORK ON AN INCOMPETENT PAJEET TEAM AT WORST
PATCH THE GAME AS IT NEARS EOL TO BE PLAYABLE OFFLINE LIKE HOW MEGAMAN GACHA AND ANIMAL CROSSING DID
INTEGRATE THE HOSTING CAPABILITY INTO THE CLIENT FOR P2P CONNECTIONS
BRING BACK LAN CONNECTION
MAKE THE GAME WITH AN OFFLINE MODE IN THE FIRST PLACE
NUCLEAR OPTION - KEEP THE GAME ALIVE FOREVER LIKE HOW GUILD WARS DID
GIGANUCLEAR OPTION - REFUND EVERYONE IF YOUR GAME IS CONCORD-TIER EMBARRASSMENT
HUMANITY HAS HEALED OPTION - DONT FUCKING MAKE ONLINE SLOP IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THIS SHIT BECOMES TOO MUCH OF A HASSLE

SO MANY OPTIONS AND WITH EACH EVERYONE FUCKING WINS IN THE LONG RUN AND YOU STUPID NIGGERS KEEP FOCUSING ON THE KEEPING SERVERS FOREVER PART, SCHIZOPHRENIC FUCKING RETARDS.
KILL YOURSELF.

>Buy a car
>5 years later your car just stops working because the manufacturer disabled it remotely
>"Wtf are you doing I paid for that"
>Actually didn't you read the agreement? You only bought 'license' for the car and we retain the right to disable your car whenever we feel like it
>Anon1: "Yeah do you want the poor car manufacturers to spend their time not disabling your car?"
>Anon2: "How do you think they can just remove that feature? Like the amount of work it would raise the price of cars, do you want to pay more?"
>Anon3: "Just buy a new one, nobody even uses that car anymore"

>>713966482
It is obfuscation since you are misrepresenting the product from the start by lying on the store page and hiding the true nature of the product in a line somewhere in the EULA. This is illegal in the EU.

The idea that the line "this license can be revoked for any, or no, reason" doesn't make people angry infuriates me more.

>>713966263
>>does this mean we shouldnt even try
>Essentially, yes it does.
Why? What does anybody lose by signing?

>>713966263
>Your multi million dollar game companies will just stop providing the services they are mandated to continue
STK isn't asking for them to continue their services after EOL
>look for the nearest loophole
No reason to assume that when we don't even know what the laws would look like or how exactly you'd be able to find a loophole
>or leave the EU out of their service network
The EU is a HUGE market. They're not going to let that go untapped instead of just making an EOL plan when they develop a game

>>713965674
I can't help because I'm not a UK or EU citizen so I shitpost like a contrarian to force anons who are really passionate about the movement to reiterate the same points and explain the movement repeatedly.
Also it's funny when people who are against the movement expose themselves.

>>713966579
why would it make anyone angry? normal people read the legal contract before buying shit.

>>713966578
>muh eu
the same EU that floods you with african and muzzrat invaders?
that EU?

>>713966651
Legal contracts with unfair terms are null and void, even in US law.
Yet no one has challenged this part.

>>713966564
>>713966572
Can you two stop acting retarded?

>>713964778
>400k signatures from people who think piratesoftware is a fag and are doing it to get at him further
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>713966564
They're focusing on that issue because it's all they have, but it's not going to convince anyone. All of the arguments against SKG are crumbling. It's like in the 2000s when conservatives tried to argue against gay marriage by saying that if two men can get married, then people will be able to marry goats or inanimate objects or whatever the fuck. They've got nothing and everybody knows it, because the issue is a complete no brainer.

>>713966549
EULA does not apply in the EU when they contradict consumer protection laws goym. And proper information about the product you are buying needs to be available BEFORE you buy the product. Information also must not be hidden. This is the same with packaging for foods and other items. HIDING shit in the EULA you get access to only after you start installing the game IS ILLEGAL in the EU.

>>713966660
I dunno, UK has done a better job of that than the EU.

>>713966696
"unfair" isn't a legal term. stick to gaming, idiot.

>>713966610
>no reason to assume

Ahh, so your in your 20s and dont know any better.
Thats the entire thread for that matter.

Well, regardless of what you think: they wont reach their signature goal so ill say it again for those in the back.

Feel free to stop throwing your money into a fire.

>>713966624
Based reverse psychology drama anon

>>713966736
Faggots are harmful to society and should be rightfully shunned, but that's /pol/ talk not /v/ talk.

>>713966651
>normal people read the legal contract before buying shit.
99% of the world's population absolutely does not read any kind of contract unless it's some huge purchase like a brand new car or a house.

>>713966790
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm

>>713963903
Communism is good, get fucked capitalist whore and you're also probably brown (Cuban)

>>713964546
>YOU WANT TO FORCE UNREASONABLE DEMANDS ON GAME DEVELOPERS!
yes
get back to work wagie

>>713964725
Amount of players is completely irrelevant to the discussion. As long as just 1 person wants to play the game in the future, then they should be able to. And the developers probably wouldn't mind their game to actually continue its existence

>>713963321
ironically nintendo doesn't even do this
you can still play splatoon 1 if you want if you set up custom servers

>>713966840
>.eu
oh my bad i was under the impression that we're discussing civilized countries. carry on or whatever...

>>713963903
you lost

>>713966808
You're working rather hard to discourage this, eh? Almost like you have ulterior motives
>Feel free to stop throwing your money into a fire.
wat

I don't have to know why you are wrong, to know you are wrong.

All I have to do is look at the type of people who are most vocal about this: trembling bugmen, screeching trannies, seething redditors.

If they are for it, I am against it, and I don't need to know the details, because they are wrong about everything always, every single time.

>>713966817
Maybe if you had any kind of actual argument to back that up, gay marriage wouldn't be legal in basically every civilized country on earth. This is going to end up the same way, with conservative corpos getting BTFO by the will of the people.

>>713966918
What third world shithole country are you from?

>>713966948
read the faq

>>713963569
>Hello, just a reminder that you'll go to jail if you turn off that server

>>713964139
So long Judas

>>713966651
>normal people read the legal contract before buying shit.
It's the other way around, you fuckup

>>713966856
>Amount of players is completely irrelevant to the discussion...
>petition specifically about something that supposedly affects a large amount of eu residents

Slopeskull moment.

>>713966936
lost what? your campaign was dead a month after it started.

>>713966948
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713966949
Go back to /lgbt/, you faggots aren't needed in SKG.

>>713966980
clean up your image

>>713966327
>He doesn't know that servers are run in huge golden temples fuelled by thousands of liters of fresh cow blood, and burning the flesh requires a forest being cut down for firewood

>>713967000
>petition specifically about something that supposedly affects a large amount of eu residents
Where was that stated? And again, that's completely irrelevant

>>713966948
how the fuck do you think trembling bugmen, screeching trannies, or seething redditors are the ones in favor of this
-
First off I ain't seen a damn asian talk about this shit at all
Second, Thor is a MEGA FAGGOT so clearly the LGBTQIA+2SXYZ are not in favor
Lastly, this shit ain't all over reddit- it's here on 4chan bitch.

Fuck you

>>713967020
Things are different now, SKG has breached containment and Jason is on suicide watch

>>713966949
Corporations aren't conservative, they do whatever is the laziest, quickest option to make as much profit as possible unless they're privately owned and can be bent to the whims of whoever owns it entirely.

Commies and nazis alike should despise corporate enshittification because it makes the world as a whole worse, devalues the individual, and replaces the worker with third world slave labor.

>>713967067
>Where was that stated?

So this issue doesn't affect many people at all? Why is it important then?

>>713967096

you don't understand this will kill gacha in europe

>>713967082
>it's here on 4chan bitch.
No. This is a reddit thing, not a 4chan thing. You faggots are absolutely desperate to make 4chan care about it, but we never will.

>>713967096
I know, it's horrible that you are forced to purchase corpo video games several times a year. The first thing we should do is make it illegal to force people to buy video games from them.

>>713967112
>So this issue doesn't affect many people at all? Why is it important then?
Why is preventing games from dying important? Gee I don't know, anon. Why would anyone who plays games possibly want that practice to get outlawed before it becomes ubiquitous

>>713967179
How will it kill gacha? It's not a retroactive initiative.

>>713964139
he isn't really Judas because Judas was actually friends with Jesus, but what the hell
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713967156
antisemitic image

>>713967179
>this will kill gacha in europe
I wish i could sign the initiative a second time.

>>713967096
yep, be against publicly listed companies

>>713967186
SAAAAAAR PLEASE DO NOT REDEEM

>>713967186
>You faggots are absolutely desperate to make 4chan care about it, but we never will.
Not the guy you are arguing with, but it's painfully obvious that you are a tourist. No one here would ever refer to 4chan as "we".

>>713967179
I don't mind, either gachas will be playable after EoS or game studios start making anime games instead.

I agree on principle. I want server browsers and self hosting options.

However, you "people" are the wrong ones to go to bat over this. You are not qualified, you are cringe, and you are retarded. You will fumble this. You have already fumbled this.

You don't speak for me. Even if we agree on something, I don't recognize you.

I agree on principle. I want server browsers and self hosting options.

However, you "people" are the wrong ones to go to bat over this. You are not qualified, you are cringe, and you are retarded. You will fumble this. You have already fumbled this.

You don't speak for me. Even if we agree on something, I don't recognize you.

>>713967179
>sees anti-gacha sentiment
>immediately begins twisting narrative to get more signatures
Not falling for it, redditor.

>>713967228
future ones that is

>>713967096
>Corporations aren't conservative
https://littlesis.org/person/15108-Donald_Trump

notice that how everyone against this are American, it's like they don't understand that costumers can have rights and companies aren't always allowed to get away with it

>>713967186
>No. This is a reddit thing, not a 4chan thing. You faggots are absolutely desperate to make 4chan care about it, but we never will.
>we
There is no "we". You'd have to be fucking retarded to dismiss this campaign because people outside of 4chan are involved. But that's what us 4chinners are supposed to do, right, my fellow anonymous poster

>>713967272
>>713967285
Bot fucked up lmao

>>713967093
you sure? doesn't look like it.

>>713966532
Not exactly helping your argument with bullshit like that.

>>713967285
This. The biggest issue with this entire movement isn't the actual facts involved. It's that it's built on masses of fucking retards who have no idea how to convince anyone. Just signing this shit is capitulating and condoning this type of campaigning. Optics nightmare.

>>713967290
i'm not twisting it, the gacha genre its probably one the most impacted by this considering the sheer quantity of them going EoS

>>713967256
>>713967253
>if you disagree you are evil/an outsider
cult shit
>>713967325
no my proxy fucked up, I have 4 hours left on my 3 day ban for telling pedofaggots to stop posting gay childporn on /v/, because it was 'off topic'

>>713967318
>notice that how everyone against this are American, it's like they don't understand that costumers can have rights and companies aren't always allowed to get away with it
It's because they are all under jewish mindcontrol. It's sad.

>>713967318
Yup. This will surely win hearts and minds. Not signing your petition lol.

>>713967272
>>713967285
>identical post within 21 seconds of each other
What blatant fucking shilling

>>713967285
>I agree on principle
>However

>>713967331
will reach 1 billion signatures trust in Ross

>>713967331
Lmao it's up 250k signatures in like two days, but keep reaching shill. I'm sure ubi will be proud

>>713967293
Not at all. Either the companies are forced to say "we're only supporting this game for X amount of years" or they'll make the game playable offline like the megaman gacha. Companies lose nothing from this.

>>713965674
Unless companies make do with malicious compliance, it shouldn't have any downsides.

>>713966417
Wrong, the EU is not the US. You cannot revoke a digital, one-time purchase. It is a license but it is a permanent one. Unless the customer is found in breach of contract, it cannot be revoked.

Directive (EU) 2019/770 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 20 May 2019 on certain aspects concerning contracts for the supply of digital content and digital services.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj
Article 3(1) states that the entire direction applies to any contract where digital content or services are supplied in exchange for payment.
Article 7 states that sellers must ensure any digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-time purchases, for a period expected by the consumer (indefinite in most cases).
Article 14 states that termination of the contract is only allowed under specific conditions, such as a breach of contract by the consumer. Sellers are not granted blanket rights to revoke access.

Legally, revoking a product that was a one-time purchase (such as a game on PC or console not part of a service like gamepass) is theft, assuming the consumer was not in breach of contract. I will also remind you that TOS contracts are not legally binding in the EU. You can't just say whatever you want in a TOS contract and make it legal, this isn't America.

damn babel media working overtime today
i wish i was paid half a rupee per post like them

>>713967403
You are just showing how stupid you amerimutts are, because you can't even sign it in the first place.

>>713967394
>everyone who disagrees with me is mind controlled and my enemy, we must attack them
You are the wrong ones to get this done. Plain and simple.

>>713965674
As a consoomer? No.
You're incapable of thinking for yourself anyway.
As a normal person? Yes most notably the increase in FOMO practices it will enable.

>>713963170 (OP)
>>713963321
>many
I honestly can't think of any worth spending money on, let alone worth buying at all.
Why do you feel the need to exaggerate? This is straight up dishonest, no wonder emotional zoomers are falling for it. You guys can't even guarantee games won't die because your petition doesn't have any demands.

>>713967318
>EU initiative
>Everyone majorly against this is american
>Everyone giving it major coverage is american
I am not being a retard who says this is bad because muh burgers but this is quite a grim realization once you think about it.
Next reveal would be that most of the EU citizens who signed it are living in america with oduble citizenry.

>>713967479
nobody cares about eurotards with a .8 native birthrate
get replaced by niggers how the EU wants while you keep talking about how great EU regulation is

>>713966918
we are discussing an EU initiative
it's in the OP
I figured since you read every contract you sign you'd also read every thread you reply to

>>713966058
>NOOOO HE DIDNT LIE
>he clearly made this false claim
>YEA WELL ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE

>>713967508
>Yes most notably the increase in FOMO practices it will enable.
How so?

>>713967520
If CS1.6 came out today you'd have SBMM instead of server browsers.

On one hand I like when /v/ gets together to do shit, but on the other hand I just don't see spamming a twitter # moving the needle in any meaningful way. Good luck boys.

i'm making my own game, honestly i don't mind this if it passes, making games client only its trivially easy in the case of singleplayers (they are born that way, all the mandatory online stuff for example account linking, data harvesting et. is added basically always at the end of the development when the game is complete)

>>713965674
genuinely no, theres zero reason not to support it, the only reason you'd be against this is if you're a CEO or someone that stands from making money from games always being online and then getting killed, as a consumer we'll actually get proper right to own things or we know what games aren't worth getting because the publishers has to disclouse if there is an expiration date if they don't plan to have any EoL plans, pure win win for us.

>baawwww I can't play my gay little racing game online anymore!
>*dies out*

the end

>>713967431
when your time runs out and you shit and piss your pants crying remember me and remember that i am laughing at you.

>>713967520
>You guys can't even guarantee games won't die because your petition doesn't have any demands.
What does that mean?

>>713967393
>>713967506
>n-noooo you can't call me a retard just because I disagree with you!
You are not entitled to your opinion, because what you believe is not valid. Corporations shouldn't be allowed to rob people.

>>713967479
>this isn't America.
And yet you're just as retarded as one because you're under the impression that shutting down a game is akin to your purchase being revoked.

Why do people opposed to this care about who cringe it is? Why is this any different than the initiative that got rid of those dumb policies that you could only get your iphone fixed at the apple store.

>>713967318
It's 5:20am EST, I am one of the few Americans awake right now and I am pro-SKG. We're in peak aussie, jeet and SEAmonkey hours.

>>713967506
>You are the wrong ones to get this done. Plain and simple.
We got the USB-C regulation done. We got the GDPR regulation done. We got the "any storefront must allow for refunds" regulation done. We're going to get Apple to fuck off with their anti-competition behavior done.

How exactly are we the wrong ones to get this done?

>>713965674
No
But I want to watch it fail because I want live service games to shut down. I want the upset reactions. I want to dance on their graves.

>>713967452
>we're only supporting this game for X amount of years
the petition doesn’t oblige studios to make it available in alla cases? because if just saying this works then all companies are gonna do it
>you are guaranteed 3 years of the game

>>713967602
Does Counter Strike 2 have SBMM? There's no way in hell they don't have a server browser, the offbeat dedicated servers are the whole lure of playing the CS games anyway.

>>713967670
>you're under the impression that shutting down a game is akin to your purchase being revoked.
How is it not?

>>713967372
Having an end of life plan is no problem if you know it's coming. Some games already have functional private hacked offline versions. All you have to do is not arbitrarily brick it and release a method to run it locally. Or you can do what Capcom did and develop an offline buy to play version to make more money.

>>713963170 (OP)
Gamers Nexus yesterday uploaded his interview with Ross, spread it wide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ahH6HrtTc

>>713967586
Do you know what this is about and why people are supporting it?
So they don't have to think before they buy.

Yuffie says "STOP KILLING GAMES"

>>713967561
>i don't care about the EU i'm just in a thread about the EU talking about how much I don't care about the EU

>>713967547
its just how the internet is sadly, especially the gaming part is so American centric it's annoying, they're the reason why people thinks the American video game crash was a global event when it wasn't, but at least we can use those american idiots for something good for once.

>>713965674
if you want to be a hecking cool contrarian

>>713966871
>Nintendo don't do this!!!!
Google "Super Mario Bros 35"

>>713967676
>We
>We
How many migrants can I sign you up to host?

>>713967561
>get replaced by niggers how the EU wants while you keep talking about how great EU regulation is
Assuming that you are an amerimutt, this would be a hugely ironic post. USA is currently 50% non-white at this very moment. Even the absolute worst of the worst EU country is still like 75-80% white.

>>713967715
How does that increase FOMO practices, like you stated?

>>713966918
EU initiative about videogames dumbass. But if it passes it means pretty much it will be adopted everywhere else same as Steam refunds for videogames.

>>713967693
IIRC it does but it's super out of the way and not active at all. I might be thinking of when it was still CSGO though, they could have removed the server browser in the update to CS2

>>713967684
This will have to be explicitly stated on the box, and even if the normal consumer is goycattle these days - it would hurt the sales tremendously. Its the same reason big online games didnt become widely subscription-based.

>>713963903
Cry about it, goblin.

>>713967616
>theres zero reason not to support it
There's also zero reason TO support it when simply not purchasing the games does a far better job.

>>713967670
>because you're under the impression that shutting down a game is akin to your purchase being revoked.
Explain how this isn't the case.

>>713967762
see
>>713967749

>>713966790
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unconscionability
Dumbass.

>>713964139
SO LONG, GAY JUDAS

>>713967749
>How many migrants can I sign you up to host?
I live in a country that's 95% white overall. Can you say the same?

>>713967643
The petition doesn't have any solid demands. It's all vague bullshit because the EU wouldn't accept it if they went and asked "THEY MUST RELEASE SERVER HOSTING TOOLS", so the EU might just accept that those games just need to inform that they have a limited service period.

>>713967671
because that initiative was spearheaded by people with jobs

>>713967749
>mention irrelevant shit to steer the conversation away from games
You're a little worm, aren't you. Every major city across the continent could be burning and that still wouldn't be an argument against SKG

>>713967670
>shutting down a game is akin to your purchase being revoked
Yes, that's the case, as I just cited based upon EU law.
>Article 7 states that sellers must ensure any digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-time purchases, for a period expected by the consumer (indefinite in most cases).
Here is the exact legal code for you to read, assuming you can do so.

>>713964015
Nigga what's the sauce?

>>713967707
Did anyone come into your house and take your disc?
Is the game still on your console/drive?
Can you still boot them up without being met with a "you do not have rights to this property" message?
Then your purchase hasn't been revoked.

>>713967272
>>713967285
Hmmm....

>>713967842
I'm retired off crypto gambling and I live wherever I want, currently in Taiwan. So anyways, how many migrants would you like to host?

>>713967791
nope, not buying games will not make the games industry change their ways, they'll just focus on other markets like China or SEA, supporting SGK actually forces politians to discuss with the games industry which will force some change.
Just sign the petition it only takes 5 min and you'll do more good than you've ever done in your life so far.

>>713967779
>it would hurt the sales tremendously
i don't think that's the case, big online games didn’t become widely subscription-based because people hate subscriptions and having to pay monthly but a simple line of text can be easily added and no one would bat an eye (if its possible this is definitely what will happen)

>>713967684
If they say they'll support the game for 3 years they're obligated to do it. We'll never run into a situation where a gacha gets killed after only a few months, or another gundam evolution situation again.

>>713967403
it's for EU citizens only anyway

>>713966790
>>713967816
If that one isn't good enough
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/protection-consumer-against-unfair-standard-terms

>>713967869
>oh your fidget spinner that you bought years ago? you can't spin it anymore, your license expired yesterday :)
This is what your argument is.

>>713967847
>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
>The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
How is that vague for the requirements of petitioning the EU?

>>713967749
>hating immigrants
/pol/ shitters going at it, basically the only people that can be against this

>>713967860
Well you love the EU so much, and the EU is the one that assigns migrant quotas, so...how many can we sign you up for? The EU said it, so it must be correct and good.

>>713967894
>I'm retired off crypto gambling and I live wherever I want, currently in Taiwan
Prove it. Also, are you even white yourself?
>So anyways, how many migrants would you like to host?
Zero. I just told you that I live in a country that's 95% white overall.

>>713967847
it's vague because not every game will be different and EU petition are just to get conversations started so actual lawmakers can draft up laws.
>so the EU might just accept that those games just need to inform that they have a limited service period.
this is still a win because then a lot of people are not gonna bother buying them, no one wants to spend 80 euro on something they can't use in 2-3 years

>>713967865
>>Article 7 states that sellers must ensure any digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-time purchases, for a period expected by the consumer (indefinite in most cases).
That doesn't mean what you think it does. You're conflating access to the main content of the game with access to the application which is what article 7 is talking about. In other words, >>713967869

>>713967869
If I can't play the game because the developers has denied me access, then my purchase has been revoked

>>713967285
>>713967272
if this isn't enough to convince you that SKG threads are botted I don't know what is
it's so fucking obvious that the industry would be willing to drop a minuscule amount of cash to shit up discussion of something that would hurt their bottom line this badly

>>713967791
>hurr durr, just don't buy it
>Yes I am very smart
Don't like you ISP? Just don't use the internet. Don't like how farming pollutes the environment with toxins? Just don't eat.

>>713967915
i said 3 but probably will be 1 year at most

>>713967623
Retard argument does not understand the "gay little racing game" is irrelevant. Nothing someone enjoys should be irrevocably destroyed later after they purchased an indefinite license to enjoy it no matter what it is.
Imagine if Amazon sold you books with ink that disappears after two years.

>>713967967
>hating immigrants
>/pol/ shitters
and the mask comes off, as the SKGcommies reveal their true form

AS I SAID, you don't need to know exactly what they are doing, to know they are evil and wrong.

You don't need to explain the nuance or read the fine print: it's a retarded commie faggot initiative, so you know its a stupid idea by default.

>>713967791
Boycotts and encouraging boycotts does not fucking work. Nintendo Switch 2 is on pace to not only be the fastest selling console of all time but the best selling console of all time. If you think getting a million people to boycott an indefinite amount of game releases is easier than getting a million signatures for government regulation, I don't know what to tell you.

>>713967896
People also hate expiration dates.
Yes, they knowingly buy into servers getting shut down one day, but it could be 6 years from now, and could be 1, so they expect some playtime out of the purchase and dont think of it until met with the fact.
Knowing exactly when it will end will open their eyes wide and result in the line going down.

>>713967975
Whatever you say, shill

>>713968017
>>713967869
must be fit for the purpose, a game that boots to a broken login screen is not fit for it's purpose.

>>713965873
No, it won't

it doesn't apply to subscription games, and even if it did, it would just mean they'd need to provide documentation for the community to run private servers once/if they take the official serves down, and maybe not even do that much

>>713966017
I share as much of it as I am able to

>hey I have a game for you. 50 bucks,
>"oh cool!"
>hey, before you buy this- this is really important. i have to constantly keep this game's server online and the game isn't built to run without the server. you understand that right? you know you're buying this on the idea that I have to keep the server's running right?
>"ya ya whatever just gimme the game!!!"
>alright here you go
>
>hey it's been 5 years. funds have dried up. have to cut the servers
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WTF WTF YOU FUCKING PIG YOU ARE DENYING ME MY PURCHASE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
No mercy for GAASfags. Once again, retards with a poverty driven mindset failing to understand the most basic transaction and then crying for the government to have more power.

>>713967991
>Zero. I just told you that I live in a country that's 95% white overall.

You don't want migrants? Well what if the EU changes their mind and decides you are getting some anyways? Whatever the EU decides is good and just, so you better do the right thing.

>>713968058
>Nintendo Switch 2 is on pace to not only be the fastest selling console of all time but the best selling console of all time.
Okay? And? No one exact boycotted that.

>>713967791
>when simply not purchasing the games does a far better job.
oh i am laffin

>>713967179
God I hope

>>713967285
>>713967272
I bet the indian thats manually making these posts aren't even paid enough to cover his trip to work

>>713967857
How do you think people buy $70 games and whale on gachas without jobs? Get more creative.

>>713968097
The only thing they ever say is "requires internet" in the big letters. I got internet, why doesn't it work?

>>713968097
>intentionally misrepresenting things
Why are you """people""" so dishonest? All they would have to do in your example, is to release the server code. It's super simple.

>>713968097
>have to
No you don't, you did it by choice because you're an asshole. That's why SKG is going to remove your ability to do it in the future.

>>713968031
>somebody else must perform labor indefinitely so that I can enjoy access to leisure activity

Commie shit.

>>713968097
>funds have dried up
It's fine, just let me host it on my computer then. We'll do you a favor.

>>713968053
sure /pol/ shitter, consumer protection is commie, all that hurts big companies is commie

>>713968164
>jUsT reLEaSE thE coDE

surely you're willing to pay for it, right?

>>713967791

>>713968025
>Don't like you ISP? Just don't use the internet. Don't like how farming pollutes the environment with toxins? Just don't eat
You Americans are so pathetic.

>>713968104
Why did you completely ignore my question asking if you are even white?

>>713963457
That's why we're going to make it be in their financial interests.
Either they have a proper EOL plan, or they cannot sell their product in the EU.
Either they spend a little bit of money on prepping that, or they lose out on 20~40% global revenue.

Easy - fucking - choice.

>>713966139
>played solo after release they aren't going to bother
You mean played solo after EoS, at which point the devs would give zero fucks about people playing it offline, since they abandoned the game anyway

Stay there.

>>713968005
Oh yeah, that totally makes sense, the product is still technically in my digital library, it just doesn't function at all. It's too bad the law I just fucking quoted didn't say anything like
>and possess the functionality (...) and other features, as required by the contract
or perhaps
>be fit for any particular purpose for which the customer requires it and which the consumer made known to the trader
But I guess it wouldn't be a big deal even if it did say that since I'm fine to just look at the game in my library, I don't need any of that "functionality" shit. That's what I really paid for, not the video game.

>>713968207
Don't reply to anyone talking about muh gommunizm, they're not /pol/niggers. They're shills.

>>713968164
>All they would have to do in your example, is to release their property!

>>713968097
>i want to eat ze bugs and own nothing
Yeah kill yourself you glowing WEF nigger.

>>713968217
>surely you're willing to pay for it, right?
Pay for what? The server code is already made. The game was already using the server code to run on the servers, you uneducated retard.

>Games 20 years ago
>Play just fine 20 years later
>Games releasing now
>It's too hard to do what we did 20 years ago
Maybe we should reapproach the way we do servers if it is giving the user a worse product.

>>713968207
the same people who think #refugeeswelcome are the same ones supporting #stopkillinggames

so basically, we know there is something horribly wrong with SKG, even without carefully analyzing what it might be

>>713968261
they are both probably

>>713968031
>Imagine if Amazon sold you books with ink that disappears after two years.
Amazon already does this basically. Buying a movie on prime video is actually just renting a pass to view that movie so long as you keep paying a subscription and the platform's servers remain online.

>>713965961
>I fear you would be the kind of person who votes someone who is stupid, drives just their own interests, stomps on poor people and working class, but is good at speaking and PR
you just described 99% of politicians in history

>>713968270
What property, exactly?

I made this. I hope it helps. I love vidya.

>>713968229
if i don't like my isp i use one of several others

the environmental impact of not playing ubislop is very low

>>713968329
nice meme

>>713968168
>>713968164
>>713968157
>>713968184
>>713968271
Glad to see my post got highlighted in your Discord's #target-post channel. Also no, companies do not owe you their proprietary server code nor are they obligated to continue providing you a service when they specifically told you that it's a game as a service.

>>713968284
tech illiterate pleb moment

also you bought a license to run the software, you didn't buy a license for the server software, dummy

just a reminder that the industry brought this upon themselves, if they hadn't gotten turbo greedy and paranoid with servers Ross would never do this

>>713968270
Yes, what is the problem? Developers and publishers used to do this constantly back in the day. Almost all multiplayer games used to support things like LAN, modding and server hosting.

It was only after like 2012 or so that jewish developers/publishers started their "MUH IMAGINATIVE LOST REVENUE"´and stopped doing that.

>>713968097
Once again, the initiative isn't retroactive.
>i have to constantly keep this game's server online and the game isn't built to run without the server. you understand that right? you know you're buying this on the idea that I have to keep the server's running right?
Future games will be mandated to not do this shit without a plan to make it playable after they drop support.

>>713968353
If the software can't be run without the server, then yes you did

How easy is it fake signatures? Asking for myself

>>713968356
>brought this upon themselves
BROUGHT WHAT UPON THEMSELVES???
oh no!! a petition that is struggling to make barely 1m signatures by a certain date! whatever are we going to doooooo!

>>713968229
You can't separate an American from licking the bourgeoisie boot

>>713968157
why do you think it requires internet, anon?

>>713968353
>tech illiterate pleb moment
Very ironic of you to write.
>also you bought a license to run the software, you didn't buy a license for the server software, dummy
But with this initiative, you could potentially also get the server software for free, along with your purchase. Why are you against that?

>>713968286
The argument doesn't even make sense when the majority of server-side programming is containerized because it would be a nightmare otherwise to work on in a collaborative environment.

>>713968097
>hey it's been 5 years. funds have dried up. have to cut the servers
How many times are you going to repeat this shit? SKG is NOT asking for the developers to maintain the game after they abandon it

>>713968405
hard, really hard, 99.9% of the time you will get discovered and this is a mostly online one

>>713968403
Wrong.
>>713968352
>everybody who disagrees with me is part of a conspiracy

>>713968352
>Also no, companies do not owe you their proprietary server code nor are they obligated to continue providing you a service when they specifically told you that it's a game as a service.
Yes, they don't NOW, that's what we want to change. Why are you retarded?

>>713964139
>>713964187
Y'know - it never occured to me, but technically, if the initiative falls through would its actual organizers (i.e. not Ross, who is just the figurehead; but the actual people that registered the ECI with the EU) have a shot at dragging Jason into court over libel and willful misrepresentation?

Apt name, btw. Jason - as in Janus. The two-faced god of lies?

>>713968245
>it just doesn't function at all
Except it does, in fact it functions exactly as they said it would the day it released and in accordance to the disclaimer on the back of the box saying it required a connection and said connection could be shut down.
By the by, it would have to say something along the lines of
>if the product has a feature disabled in accordance with what was expected and advertised the consumer is entitled to (XYZ)
To apply to this situation.

>>713968284
so why should a company give it out for free? what do they stand to gain from that, other than possible competition?
unlike a copy of the game, server code is intellectual property and far more valuable depending on the game.

>>713968405
functionally impossible, you key in a government ID number which obviously can only sign once per person

>>713968417
Because it's a game that doesn't have splitscreen options nor single player content. That doesn't predicate central server.

>>713968445
>sign the petition and get free stuff!
>stop asking questions! just do it already you nazi!

shant be doing anything

>>713968469
>Wrong.
Why?

>>713968378
>Yes, what is the problem? Developers and publishers used to do this constantly back in the day.
Yeah, of their own volition.
Not having it wrested from their grasp by Jews.

>>713968286
Or maybe they're lying to your face, ever think about that? I remember the whole "we can't give Frostbite mod tools because it's too hard to work with" nonsense.
The only reason certain games aren't getting private servers or it's too difficult is the result of arbitrary obfuscation. The games are being intentionally bricked. The Crew was confirmed by the actual developers to have an in house offline client they never pushed out and instead deleted the game from everyone's libraries.

>>713968516
Who is calling you nazi?

>>713967029
99% of /lgbt/ is occupied by trannies, hence the name /tttt/.
/int/ is a better gay board unironically

>>713968470
>we aren't communists
>we just want to use a communist state entity to force a private company to do work for free and give up their intellectual property to the public

heh

>>713968505
>so why should a company give it out for free?
Why should they not? If they have already shut down their game and have zero intentions of ever opening it again, then can you explain why not?

Does your entire opinion hinge on "well, maybe one day in 100 years they will want to open the game again" or what?

>>713968412
gonna have to try harder plant

>>713964546
>there is no realm of possibility where you can influence a government to force video game developers worldwide to spend huge amounts of resources
Steam refunds.

>>713968405
You can't fake them. This is not a ''petition''. This is a European Citizens Initiative so you need the same documents to participate that you owuld need to vote into European elections/EU referendums. So pretty much only EU gamers who care about videogames are signning the initiative. I guess a few people that care about consumer protection are also signning this initiative but it is mostly gamers.

>>713968516
>shant be doing anything
You are doing something. You're working hard to persuade people not to want this. Now why would you be doing that, gaymer?

>>713968532
>Not having it wrested from their grasp by Jews.
But it's the jews who DON'T want people to have control of the games that they buy. It's jews who are AGAINST this initiative.

>>713968602
>everyone who disagrees is part of a conspiracy

>>713965674
I can see one "Undesireable" outcome out of this, either benefitial to everyone or malicious immensely depending on the autistic hands that exploit it:
Theoretically, since this would most definitely include console games, being able to host a server for them, especially a central one for some game that relied on it, could have a chance to be used as a backdoor to access and jailbreak it, or rape it through hacking on a community server.
Now, im not really that well versed in server sec or IT in general, so i may be talking out of my ass, but as far as i know - all consoles these days are meant for central connection, either for actual connection or as a security middleman for P2P, so this would require rethinking how online security will work and will definitely shake the industry in this regard one way or another.

>>713968585
>If they have already shut down their game and have zero intentions of ever opening it again, then can you explain why not?
You haven't used something you owned in years, it's been locked up in a storage unit somewhere but you're still paying for that storage unit, someone goes in and takes your stuff.
>you haven't used it and you clearly don't want to use it ever again so I'm entitled to it because I can use it!

>>713964595
>my guess is that he just moves on and hopes people forget about the role he had to play in it.
he has already started doing that and bans everyone that even mentions it, he is not gonna give up his cushy "career" of playing video games and pretending to be smart on the internet
>>713968475
>if the initiative falls through would its actual organizers (i.e. not Ross, who is just the figurehead; but the actual people that registered the ECI with the EU) have a shot at dragging Jason into court over libel and willful misrepresentation?
probably not
>Apt name, btw. Jason - as in Janus. The two-faced god of lies?
hehe

>SIGN OUR PETITION
no, I don't think I will, fuck off grifter andies

>>713968573
>we just want to use a communist state entity to force a private company to do work for free
Are they also doing work for free when they make sure you can even launch the .exe?
>and give up their intellectual property to the public
lol what IP would they be giving up?

All signatures get checked after the petition closes. There's usually about 10-15% invalid signatures, although it can be as high as 30%, so one million signatures won't be enough. It really needs at least 1.2 million signatures for a good chance to pass, which I don't think is doable.

I remember reading somewhere that 40% of adults now are functionally illiterate: ie they can read words on a page but not comprehend what they mean. I didn't used to believe it until just recently.

>>713968505
>for free
I paid $100 (plus tip), where's my fucking offline hosting

>>713968646
this isn't work
work implies effort, and making fun of retarded redditor commies for their disingenious horseshit comes effortlessly

>>713968585
every person playing your old abandoned game for free is a person that could be making you money playing your shiny new game.
doesn't matter if it's 0.1% of the old game's remaining players. it's a guaranteed net loss for you.

>>713968693
So you have zero arguments? Got it.

>>713966263
>or leave the EU out of their service network
You're either trolling or delusional if you think companies are just going to leave one of the biggest markets in the world like that. Even if they wanted to, they'd be intentionally taking an action they know will result in the line going down and hurting the shareholders' bottom line, which is literally illegal here in America and could result in the company doing so getting completely assfucked in American courts.

>>713966746
Don't sites and product pages explicitly state their terms and conditions aswell as their EULA? They make it clear what you are signing up for beforehand.

>>713968723
>lol what IP would they be giving up?
tech illiterate pleb moment #25 in this thread, at least

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>>713968780
What IP would they be giving up?

>>713968736
>everyone who disagrees with me must be illiterate or stupid

>>713968649
>It's jews who are AGAINST this initiative.
Sure buddy, they're totally against an initiative that will give them more control over a sector they've generally struggled to get their mitts on.

>>713968352
>nor are they obligated to continue providing you a service when they specifically told you that it's a game as a service
And nor would they with the SKG proposal.

Again, kill yourself WEF nigger. Get in the gas chamber.

>>713968532
But (((publishers))) are the ones telling developers to NOT put in an offline mode?

>>713968760
>every person playing your old abandoned game for free is a person that could be making you money playing your shiny new game.
>it's a guaranteed net loss for you
Very anti-consumer and jewish way of thinking.

>>713968731
not with that attitude, just keep pushing it, and honestly even if it fails it's drawing a lot of attention I'd imagine eu politians have already taken note and is maybe considering pushing it anyways since it does just fit EU's MO and they've already done things like starting to cracking down on lootboxes.

HERE COMES PLUM

>>713968741
A rotten soul. Good luck with that

>>713968771
So you agree that I'm entitled to your items just because you haven't used them in years.

>>713968476
>Except it does
It doesn't. It is a paper mache version of a tractor, not something you can till a field with. You can only look at it.
>in accordance to the disclaimer on the back of the box
Irrelevant. Just because I say I'm going to steal from you at some point in the future does not make it legal when I do so.
One-time purchases of digital products are protected. If you want to sell a service then sell a service. SKG isn't going to stop developers from turning all their future games into live-service slop, it's just going to make them tell the customer "we will shut this game down eventually" so they can make an informed decision. As of right now, most games are being sold as products, which is dishonest and only harms the consumer.
Please try to read and understand the legal code I have already posted, I'm getting bored of telling you what the law is over and over.

>>713968810
>proving your illiteracy

>>713968817
>they're totally against an initiative that will give them more control over a sector they've generally struggled to get their mitts on
What the fuck are you babbling about? How will jews get "more control" if people are able to self-host dead games? Explain.

>>713968817
>Sure buddy, they're totally against an initiative that will give them more control over a sector they've generally struggled to get their mitts on.
???

>>713968731
What would make a signature invalid? Doesn't it verify your ID and shit when you try to sign it to begin with?

>>713968846
>since it does just fit EU's MO and they've already done things like starting to cracking down on lootboxes.
Since when has the EU dictated what people can and can't do with their own property?

Whenever in doubt, if there's a furfag involved, you can safely bet that the correct opinion is the opposite of his opinion.

>>713968779
They don't. It is always hidden in some corner.

>>713965890
>In practice impossible.
Both the EU Parliament and the EU Commission have already gotten involved.
The Parliament via parliamentary questions. The Commission via co-authorship of an official set of legal guidelines wrt handling of virtual currencies and continued access to purchased digital content, based on which market authorities will be enforcing existing legislation. (Yes; there's a guidance document out there which basically states that what SKG is asking for; is actually already the legal norm.)

So for any other topic, I'd probably agree with you.
But on this one? I'd think they'd move forward with it regardless, simply because the train has already left the station and is already coming up to steam.

What if...you just didn't buy the GAAS garbage?

You're eurotards, so why don't you organize a fucking boycott?

>>713968856
>if you don't agree with me you are evil

>>713968873
Your analogy is completely wrong. It would be more like if you bought an item from me, then one day I show up at your house and take that item away from you, and then lock it into my storage locker, making it completely inaccessible for you.

Stop being dishonest.

>>713968736
In America, this figure is only for America because America is a fucking shit hole with some of the worst education in the world, mainly because it gets fuck all in funding and many areas are basically abandoned, EU is far more functional, the literacy rate is like 99%, people can read, they just often refuse to read english which is their second langauge anyways.

>>713968969
Jeet

>>713965890
>ECI's are incredibly powerful.
see
>>713968796

>>713968931
I think it's because different countries have different levels of authentication, so the ones with lighter requirements are maybe able to fake signatures. But I don't actually know anything specific

>>713968117
Nobody boycotts anything. Boycotts don't work because they only actually occur once in a blue moon. Just because something is bad and anti-consumer doesn't mean it won't financially succeed. Meth is a billion-dollar industry.

Can't wait

>>713967791
Vote with your wallet is a noble concept but when there are billions of wallets it's hard to make an impact. Corporations also have huge advertising machines on their side to fuel people's FOMO. Corporations also have devout believers that will support their favorite company no matter what they do because people grew up with them. The average consumer just wants the latest thing, they don't really care about consumer issues or looking into them.

>>713968990
>if you don't agree with me you are brown..
>wtf why don't we have 1 million signatures already?! Shouldn't this be obvious?!

Nigger you should be BEGGING raperats to give a shit about this, instead of even jokingly shitting on them.

>>713968969
>What if...you just didn't buy the GAAS garbage?
Yeah that's been working swell so far. Real genius plan there

>>713964139
SO LONG, GAY JUDAS

>>713968935
hi American, you see the EU unlike your goverment actually cares about consumers rights and will force companies to do good things for consumers, like forcing apple to make their iphones have usb-c ports because thats a standard and not force the consumer to buy adapters to use things with it

>>713969056
Jeet

>>713968873
This metaphor is retarded. You are a vegetable seller and I buy some of your tomato seeds. Years later, you decide you are no longer selling tomatoes so you go and burn my crops that I grew from your seeds despite me already paying you for your goods and clearly being able to maintain my own crops. It also doesn't mean I won't buy your new seeds either, fucking jewish retard.

>>713968969
I don't, this is for the "people" who did.

>>713968945
Friendly reminder that him and his boyfriend are both sexually turned on by ferret furry cosplay and roleplaying. And then they own a "ferret rescue" where they have 50 ferrets.

I don't know why this was never more focused on. I shudder to think about how they are probably sexually abusing them.

>>713968969
>What if...you just didn't buy the GAAS garbage?
I FUCKING DIDN'T. YOU CAN'T TRUST RANDOM CONSOOMER NIGGERS.

BRING BACK LEAD FOOD TINS
FUCKING COMMIES MAKING POOR COMPANIES USING NON-LEAD ALTERNATIVES FOR THEIR FOOD TINS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>713969065
>hmm a boycott won't work...
>I know, lets go to the EU and make it ILLEGAL to sell a game without permanent offline mode!
>heh! that will show them!
>fast forward a couple years after brilliant legislative success
>FINALLY! We can play games FOREVER!!!
>Now lets go see whats coming out...
>[Not available in the EU]
>[Not available in the EU]
>[Not available in the EU]
>REEEEE FUCKING NAZIS!!!! AHHHHH FUCK!!!!
>*huff huff huff*....well fine, I'll just get a vpn and play! Fucking nazis....

What's the fascist argument for SKG?
I'm sure there is one, rampant liberal capitalism is one of the things fascism hates.

>>713968969
>What if...you just didn't buy the GAAS garbage?
I already buy all my games exclusively from GOG but what about kids buying videogames?
>The Crew was PG which means it was being sold to kids 12 years old
Do you think that a kid that is 12 years old would understand the EULA? Do you think that a 12yearold would understand that Ubisoft could kill the game one year after said kid bought it? What about some grandma that is 70 years old? EULAs and the places selling games do not make terms clear enough, visible enough but still want to sell videogames to the detriment of consumers.

>>713968969
>vote with your wallet!
Are you from 2012 or something? The state of DLCs, MTX, early access, paid early access, etc. should show you that shit doesn't work.

>>713968954
Companies need to make it clear that you are agreeing to their EULA, which is why they put it before an installation of the product. EULA can be enforced as long as it doesn't contradict EU consumer laws, it depends on the country.

>>713969157
What makes someone to be so degenerates that they make up a scenario in their mind and declare victory based on the imaginary scenario?

>>713968931
The European Citizens' Initiativedoesn't use an automatic ID verification system, your ID gets verified manually after the petition closes. Any fake details or mistakes will get your form thrown out.

>>713969157
gaming publishers are not gonna abandon europe thats a huge market, especially for football games, Fifa would legit die if they abandoned europe and EA is not gonna let fifa die

>>713968985
funding is communism

>>713969160
Friendly reminder that hitler was a liberal, so if you're against liberalism you should oppose both him and trump and support the cause of progressivism/social democracy

>>713969229
having sex with ferrets

>>713969173
Also to people saying that EULAs are legally binding, i wonder if an EULA can be legally binding a minor who bought a videogame..........

>>713968808
the server code, dumbass.
if someone closes a restaurant, do you think he should make his secret recipes accessible to the public so they can keep enjoying their favorite meals?

>>713965890
>>713968965 (cont.)
A lot of this stuff happens off the radar though.

As another example: did you know the Belgian Court of Appeals recently ruled that ad-tracking and profile-building as used with real-time bidding systems are effectively illegal? They ruled that legitimate interest may never be used as legal grounds to process personal data for those goals, which leaves only explicit informed and freely given opt-in consent as possible legal grounds. Which requires people are told up-front all the information of each and every company that might receive their personal data if they were to consent. Which, in case of real-time bidding, is functionally impossible. (Because it's real time; and parties join and leave the table all the time.)

And because of the harmonization effects of the GDPR, all other EU member states now have to take that ruling as precedent or have to go through the European Court of Justice to have them give a formal interpretation of EU law (the ECJ being the only body allowed to do that) and judge whether the Belgian ruling was actually correct or not.

So in short: tracking ads are now ACTUALLY de-facto illegal in the EU.
But-- did you hear anything about this? Anywhere?
No?

Well, voilà...

>>713969160
Consumer protection is good for the people as a whole.

>>713969157
First off, you post like a fag and your shit's all retarded. Second off, the EU market is fucking huge and no one is going to forego money, instead of just implementing an EoS plan while they develop it

>>713969157
>Not available in the EU
Name ten games banned in the EU in the past 10 years that isn't banned anywhere else

>>713969289
No he ain't, especially if you know what the original definition of liberalism is you kike.

>>713969229
>imaginary scenario?
heh...you don't know, do you?

>>713968969
Not all games had always online shit at launch

Halo Infinite launched with offline customs, but that option broke due to bugs and never got fixed and they only told players forge was always online post launch

>>713969157
Just like how apple stop selling iPhones in the EU after the whole USB C fiasco right? Oh wait...

>>713963457
kys

>>713964139
SO LONG, GAS JUDAS! I hope this faggot gets violently raped by a pack of feral NIGGERS

>>713968890
>It doesn't. It is a paper mache version of a tractor, not something you can till a field with. You can only look at it
Yeah, and that's what you bought. Knowingly I should add because this wasn't hidden at all, in fact all games with some form of DRM that can render it unusable are legally obligated to inform the consumer which they did.
>Irrelevant
No, not at all. That information is completely relevant because it dictates what the product is and tells you exactly what it does in big capital letters. You had all of the information you needed to know before you purchased it and you still chose to purchase a product like that anyway.
>it's just going to make them tell the customer "we will shut this game down eventually"
Which they do so at best this initiative is going to do absolutely nothing.
>most games are being sold as products
As opposed to... What exactly?
Because having DRM doesn't mean it isn't a product. You're probably going to say something stupid like
>B-B-but it's a service because it can be shut down
Without realising that
1) a service can be a product, you're confusing product for goods.
2) drm doesn't make it a service
Getting back to the point you had the warning signs and have no one to blame but yourself for buying a bad product and more you're making the exact same mistake by getting suckered in to a bad initiative because you're not doing the one thing you should have done in the first place and read shit before agreeing.

>Please try to read and understand the legal code I have already posted
You're saying this as someone who's not only trying to redefine the law and definition of function out of sheer entitlement.

>>713969361
see
>>713968796

>>713969219
>put it before an installation of the product
Why not put it before buying the product and also put all the nasty shit about not owning your videogame and giving the publisher the right to turn off your game on the store page for everyone to see? Do you know why they don't do it? Cus it will cost them sales. Even if the only thing that the initiative achieves is forcing videogame publishers to be upfront with the crap they are trying to pull off i'd be happy. That would mean less people buying GaaS trash.

How many of you flags have a Twitter account?

>>713969160
fascism lost get on with the times

>>713969296
>if someone closes a restaurant, do you think he should make his secret recipes accessible to the public so they can keep enjoying their favorite meals?
Shitty metaphor. It's not the recipe, it's the physical restaurant. If you have abandoned that building then you have no argument against someone else coming in and cooking.

>>713969404
See my dick in your mouth faggot

>>713963903
WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

>>713969160
>>713969330
you're a pathetic nazi POS and that's why no woman will ever touch you

>>713968457
> SKG is NOT asking for the developers to maintain the game after they abandon it
I can't believe Jason Hall hacked the ECI webpage to add
> This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
as the first sentence. What a truly despicable human being he is.

>>713969296
>the server code, dumbass.
I didn't know I owned the IP of CS:Source. But I surely must, since I'm able to host my own server

>>713969434
i have

>>713969482
>if you won't sign my petition you are a nazi

>>713965550
miserable third world /pol/faggots have been poisoning the well intentionally just for reaction for nearly 20 years at this point, why are you only catching on to this now

>>713964139
This guy always felt off to me with his wholesome ex blizzard dev shtick so it's nice to see his true colors. SO LONG JUDAS

>>713969491
>to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
I'm sorry, are you confused about what "leave" means?

>>713963903
more like communism based in this case (as always) chuddies continue losing (btw Mamdani for the win)

>>713969491
...
You know it can be a part of a final update to paying customers then they abandon it, meaning it isn't perpetually supported officially right?

>>713969327
Literally the only thing is a few gacha-slop Korean MMOs published in the west by Amazon, which refused to bring them to a few EU member states that had lootbox regulation. Notably, the Netherlands and Belgium.

Those are two relatively small economies; and don't even come close to the impact of losing the entire EU market, which - depending on genre - represents between 20~40% of global revenue.

FIFA in particular is something that's like 70% of sales in the EU. And FIFA after-sales revenue (aka FUT cardpacks) is what keeps the lights on at EA. (Their books at one point illustrated that it was literally 50% of their global income.)

>already signed the petition, just hate the absolute faggots running it and spamming it everywhere and want them to suffer every step of the way to earn it

>>713968981
NTA but no?
You're not even talking about the same thing. You're talking about the game being shut down when the conversation was about server software being taken.
If you wanted to make a full analogy for both it would be more like this
>you bought an item
>the item says it's could potentially be rendered inaccessible but you'll be warned beforehand
>you ignore it and buy it anyway
>several years later the warning comes and after a month it's rendered unusable
>you cry for this item you haven't used in years and demand that a different piece of software that you have zero rights to be given to you

>>713968169
Post nose.

>>713969524
>anon posts an image of hitler and asks why he, a nazi, should support this movement
>"w-well that doesn't make me a nazi!"

>>713969418
You are correct, I agree.

>>713969160
incel

>>713969491
Are you a third world retard who is incapable of understanding English? "to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state" just implies that it needs to be functional and playable, aka giving people the ability to self-host a server, if it was a game that previously was online-only.

>>713969524
I'm pro SKG myself, I am just asking what the fascist argument would be.

>>713963903
Time to get a new script, Raajet. This one's already a year old

>>713964139

First time I saw this fucker on a short I hated his guts. His smug matter-of-fact way of talking.

>>713969491
What does this say?

>>713968705
>probably not
I'm not so sure. Keep in mind that an ECI is basically a political movement. And the EU has some very strict legislation nowadays wrt poltical slander and fake news...

>>713963569
BASED

why are people so fucking disingenuous about this

>>713969418
>Why not put it before buying the product and also put all the nasty shit about not owning your videogame and giving the publisher the right to turn off your game on the store page for everyone to see
They do. You just didn't read it.

>>713969640
>hello I'm a nazi, tell me why I should support your petition
>FUCK OFF NAZI
>guess I won't sign it then

>>713963569
SUPER BASED, also someone bake new thread

>>713969630
>that you have zero rights to be given to you
Why shouldn't people have the right to it though? Games back in the day supported LAN and enabled you to play a game 50 years later, if you truly wanted to. Why is this somehow a "lost technology" now?

>>713969701
>no we aren't asking that at all
>but we are, just rewording it a little bit

>>713969734
People one day will think they will reach CEO status and can't let anything affect their theoretical bottom line.
That's pretty much it.

>>713969734
because screeching redditors made it an us vs everyone thing, instead of an us vs them thing

>>713963569
EUGODS STAY WINNING

>>713969734
Because they're mentally retarded. Why else do you think they would blindly follow and defend an initiative spearheaded by a YouTuber?

>>713968969
>What if...you just didn't buy the GAAS garbage?
or what if i didn't buy AND i signed the petition
it's like i can do... TWO things!!!

>>713969734
about what? it's not reddit you can say it

>>713969736
>You just didn't read it.
Show me.

>>713969734
Jews, and amerimutts who can't stop serving the jews at all costs.

>>713965550
It's like arguing with someone whose role isn't to find truth, but to prove you wrong. No matter what you say, no matter the circumstances, you are always wrong upon every aspect. Every label on you cannot be shaken off, there is no common ground.
This is why I stop arguing on the internet, leave that to others. I simply lurk.

>>713969267
Those which use eID systems are verified immediately, as soon as they register. Courtesy of the connection to the national eID systems of the individual member states having to perform that check.

It's only people that register via a manually entered form whose personal data is bundled up and bulk-shipped to the relevant member states for verification when the ECI closes.

>>713969734
SKG people? Well they seem to be average plebs with no idea about IP, and they can't seem to admit that they want something for nothing.

>>713969793
>company keeping up servers eternally, costing them lots of money
vs
>company providing source code/server code to let people host their own servers upon ending/abandoning game, costing them barely anything

If you genuinely think these two are the exact same, then you must have some severe brain damage.

petition is started by and supported by people who think that they actually own their video game software, and not that they just have a license

instead of trying to change that status quo, they are attempting to coerce the EU into making game developers give them de-facto ownership rights, because they know they can never(ever) win the thing they actually want

>>713965663
>run absolutely horrible PR campaign full of screeching redditors browbeating people and calling them nazis for not instantaneously agreeing with their preachy bullshit
You just made this shit up

>>713969267
wtf? using ID to verify people is nazi shit

>>713969734
>I actually want my games to shut down and lose access to the product I paid for, fuck you communist
I guess people are happy with owning nothing if a rich ceo man says so.

>>713969874
>for nothing
God orbit you are able to play the videogame you PAID for. God forbid you don't have the videogame you PAID for removed from your library. You will own nothing and you will be happy.

>>713969874
>with no idea about IP
Do you think that if a developer/publish gives up their server code, then that means that they have given up their IP somehow?

If your answer is yes, then can you explain how games back in the day all allowed LAN play, server hosting, modding, etc. and none of that was ever a detriment to their IP in any way?

>>713969790
>Why shouldn't people have the right to it though?
Anon that's like saying why shouldn't you have rights to everything that exists and can freely use everything. It's not your property.
>Games back in the day supported LAN and enabled you to play a game 50 years later, if you truly wanted to.
Yeah, no one said that they didn't, the point is that it's not your property. Going
>but they did it back then!
Doesn't mean anything since it was their choice to do so, they weren't legally obligated to. Not to mention back then it was a case by case basis whereas now server software is often shared between games, it would potentially compromise other games.
>Why is this somehow a "lost technology" now?
You people just can't not be disingenuous about this, can you.

>>713965663
you are not a nazi, you are a capitalist pig though

>>713969734
>Rule of Acquisition 1: Once you have their money, you never give it back.
>Rule of Acquisition 208: Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
>Rule of Acquisition 226: When in doubt, lie.

>>713963170 (OP)
but i want them to kill videogames. it's the only way i'll ever be free.

>>713965663
>run absolutely horrible PR campaign full of screeching redditors browbeating people and calling them nazis for not instantaneously agreeing with their preachy bullshit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

>>713966564
no :^)

>>713969391
>Knowingly I should add because this wasn't hidden at all, in fact all games with some form of DRM that can render it unusable are legally obligated to inform the consumer which they did.
The back of that cover you posted mentions nothing about Ubisoft reserving the right to unilaterally terminate mulitplayer services and it, as a consequence, also making the entirety of the game inoperable. Good job undoing the potential of your own argument, anon. Good job...

>>713969947
>You just made this shit up
no it's pretty obvious to anyone witnessing these trainwreck threads and discussion anywhere without a downvote(hide) button

your deplorable behavior and absolute failure to form a reasonable argument that has broad appeal, without resorting to ideological warfare directed at your target audience is to blame for the lack of success of the petition

as you said before 'supporting this should be obvious', so something happened along the way to disrupt it....and that something is you, and the retards like you, who wanted to turn it into a 'win' against people you don't like on the internet, not just a win against an evil corporate practice

someone create new thread

>>713970017
>server software is often shared between games, it would potentially compromise other games.
This is literally the only actual argument I have ever seen that might have some validity to it, and where I can see that it might be a problem.

But even then, how many times would this actually be the case? I'm guessing it's fairly minor.

>>713969850
I'm just going to take the picture the other anon posted.

>>713970110
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>713969736
They buried it in the EULA. Which is not the same as prominent bannering across the storefront product page.

>>713970146
fake image

>>713969869
France is one of the biggest issues since they're the country with the third most signatures but don't allow you to sign the petition online, you have to print out a paper version, fill it out and then post it. None of those 66,970 signatures can be verified until after the petition closes.

>>713970014
>Do you think that if a developer/publish gives up their server code, then that means that they have given up their IP somehow?
Anon, you are away that the server code and game IP are two different things, right?

>then can you explain how games back in the day all allowed LAN play, server hosting, modding, etc. and none of that was ever a detriment to their IP in any way?
It was, they can never say people are abusing their property because they gave all players access to it on purchase.

>>713970151
my source is every previous shitslinging skg thread

>>713969936
You can't make eating fish illegal, but you can make fishing in open water illegal.

>>713970164
>>713970146
They didn't. It's on the box itself.

>>713970225
The archive is free to use

>>713970219
>It was, they can never say people are abusing their property because they gave all players access to it on purchase.
You sound very jewish.

>>713969160
Planned obsolesce is jewish.

>>713969936
>think they actually own
We do. Because EU says games are goods and not subscriptions. No eula/tos overrides EU law.

Any moment now

>>713970221

New thread

>>713970284
indeed it is

>>713970129
>I'm guessing it's fairly minor.
You'd be surprised. It's one of the areas of development where corners can be cut and assets reused without being obvious.

>>713969734
Americans are conditioned into the "THINK OF THE POOR MULTIMILLION COMPANY" mindset from birth

>>713970034
Anon, it's a win win

Either this will regulate things so people can play always online games offline, OR the naysayers are right and it passing will mean companies won't make always online gachashit and live service titles anymore

either way you signing it will help

>>713970341
The EU also says you need to accept african and muslim migrants by the hundreds of thousands, and indians too. EU law is the best and you will follow it, or go to jail :)

>>713970341
The EU also says you need to accept african and muslim migrants by the hundreds of thousands, and indians too. EU law is the best and you will follow it, or go to jail :)

>>713970221

>>713970146
to be fair when games were sold physically they always put on the box, if it was an online only game, that may revoke your access to the game, the problem is that now with steam and online vendors no one reads the fine print anymore

>>713969296
Server code is not source code. Server code is only the program necessary to run a dedicated server for a game.

>>713970401
Anon, the best case scenario is that it changes nothing. That's not a win.

>>713966736
>by saying that if two men can get married, then people will be able to marry goats or inanimate objects or whatever the fuck
Mainstream bible-thumbers always missing the point in these issues. Gay marriage isn't the problem, it's the normalization of non-breeding families across US that is. Every fag couple is another that isn't, which reduces the youth population and forces the US politicians to do stupid stuff to fix it.
I don't want to dive more into the issue out of respect of SKG, but damn I hate it when people miss the point.

>>713966949
reddit

>>713970272
> It's on the box itself.
It's not. What the box states is Ubisoft reserves the right to cancel access to one or more online features.
What it doesn't state is that this will render the entirety of the game totally inoperable.

>>713970386
Americans are so delusional that there's even a term for it. It's called "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" where actual poor retards will defend corporations because they are convinced that one day when they fix their own life, they will be part of those corporations.

>>713967717
Sex with Yuffie
On a more serious note, I fucking hate when voice actors and such say things like "It's what [character] would do/think/support!!" It's shameful to use the image of an existing and possibly beloved character to spread an agenda, even if I agree with the agenda in this instance. Also people wouldn't fucking know how that character would act because their mentality is tied to whatever world they were born in and they'd grow up with vastly different ethical values than a human on this planet.

>>713970110
>schizo meltdown

>>713970469
>the problem is that now with steam
There's a obvious yellow box on the steam page when a game has drm and physical games still come with it.
It's never been hidden away.

>>713970436
>>713970449
>the sir is so desperate he sets multiple bots to spew the same canned response
Love to see it.

>>713970359
Plenty of anti-SKG people calling everyone else for communists. Very little about SKG people calling everyone else Nazis

>>713970449
The EU actually doesn't. The legal requirement to harbor refugees comes from the UN.

>>713970519
>What the box states is Ubisoft reserves the right to cancel access to one or more online features
Yes and it's an online only game making the game itself an online feature.
Which means they printed it on the back of the box.

>>713970436
>>713970449
You're a bot, or you're a person shilling for the gaming industry. Either way, you're not human

>>713966945
>wat
Didn't you donate to the fundraiser? Or crowd fund the SKG ad campaign? Or bought SKG crypto?
Oh wait you didn't, because none of those existed.

>>713964139
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713964139
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713970480
Only if you're a bootlicking faggot

>>713967318
Italian here. Hey
Basically I'm just not signing it (the petition!!)
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UGH I know....... I know....
It's just that I'm not signing it!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

>>713967272
>>713967285

>>713964139
https://voca.ro/1aglKB2asVFk

>>713970839
>>713967272
>>713967285

>>713970545
> they'd grow up with vastly different ethical values than a human on this planet.
I don't know, Cloud and the gang seem the type to support the initiative.

>>713963170 (OP)
>>713963569
>>713964945
Nobody cares.

>>713970839
It's almost like the shills are getting more and more desperate and forget to be subtle with their bot usage.

Funnily, the customers totally have the power to enforce this themselves without needing to involve the government.
They just lack the self controls to do so.

>>713965960
Wow private servers came about through data leaks. It wasn't out of the goodness of blizzards heart that you could play burning crusade without the cata changes, or cata without the wlk changes, or wlk without the panda shit. That being the new norm is what my dad works at blizzard guy is seething about.

>>713971072
he says, 580 posts in

>>713963170 (OP)
https://voca.ro/1r6eVtzdzMrK

>>713964139
SO LONG, EH JUDAS?

>>713970839
It's almost like multiple people agree that yuropoors need to be put in a woodchipper.

>>713970545
>It's shameful to use the image of an existing and possibly beloved character to spread an agenda, even if I agree with the agenda in this instance
The people who support agendas you disagree with don't feel the same way. If you don't do it, they will, and they'll co-opt something you enjoy and use it to argue against your interests.

>>713968969
What if I just club you over the head with a sawed off cow leg?
How would you like that you filthy animal

>>713967715
>box says "game will last 1 year from purchase"
This doesn't make people think before they buy?
As opposed to now, where none of this is stated, the game goes EOS in a year and then the people who bought the game cry how the game they paid for, died.
And you still didn't say anything about how it increases FOMO practices

>>713963170 (OP)
Inb4 this shit gets corrupted by feds and troons like gamergate

God damn, what pleasure does the bot user derive from opposing a common sense thing like this. Fucking A. Kill yourself bot user

>>713969153
disingenuous retard
people would stop buying shit in lead packaging once they learn about the health issues, leading companies to stop using lead packaging

>>713971487
>where none of this is stated,
Scroll up. It's always been on the box.

>>713971615
Show me a game case and where it states for how long the game will be functional

>>713971487
Imagine the sub set of games that would be made and sold for half price- "4 months only!" and "get it before it's too late"
lol- I'm still supporting SKG I just think yes, the fucking JEET FAGGOTS at microsoft would for sure promote their LIMITED TIME SERVICE GAMES if they could make a profit

>>713963170 (OP)

I'm in the pacific, I can't sign the petition.

Why don't you guys just pirate the games? Like just make the video game playable offline and when the service ends, just release the modified version that can be played offline. You guys can also do some workaround so that people who legally purchased the game can only play the modified version once the support for the official version ends.

>>713970572
>does not explain what Denuvo is
>EULA obfuscation is still there

NEW BREAD ? NEW BREAD ? NEW BREAD ?

>>713971592
>implying they're opposed
Look around you anon, has anyone opposed to this put in as much effort
as the supporters? Despite how shaky this whole campaign is do you see them raiding twitter?
No because they only care that you're shitting up their space. They wouldn't get bots.

But you know who would? The supporters who lack the intellect to defend their stance so they make these blatant "bot" posts multiple times over despite the fact that such a mistake with a bot would normally be impossible to make it look like they're in the right.

>>713967681
That is just socio/psychopathy. There would actually be a reason to play live service games if they stay playable long after public servers go down.

>>713971741
Scroll up. You've had at least two anons talk about the game that incited this mess having it on the box.

>>713971763
You have a computer. You can Google it in two seconds.
You're really not beating the "campaign for people who don't want to think" allegations.

>>713971819
>No because they only care that you're shitting up their space.
fuck you there are literally dozens of threads to browse
FAGGOT
MISS ME WITH THAT GAY SHIT YOU FUCKING BLACK ASSHOLE

>>713971487
>And you still didn't say anything about how it increases FOMO practices
NTA but he did, >>713967715
>So they don't have to think before they buy.
That's how FOMO works. That desire to be there as something is happening is usually goubteracted by thoughts of "how this company could fuck me over" but I'm the situation this passes you're now in a world where consumers have that false sense of security and believe that they don't have to look into a game before they buy it.

Face it, chud. You just can't beat the kikes.

>>713971869
And blizzard says in their fine print that they can revoke access to any of your games or your account with and without a reason.
Not many people read those fine prints, so it's okay to fuck consumers over?

>>713971989
>fuck you there are literally dozens of threads to browse
Yeah and there's always an SGK thread or five up and faggots popping into other threads to shill this and faggots buying ads and being the human equivalent of bed bugs.

>>713971763
EULA is not legally binding anyway so anyone that brings it up can be instantly dismissed. It is not a contract under EU law, it's just a bunch of words.

>>713963170 (OP)
SO LONG GAY JUDAS

>>713972168
GET OVER YOURSELF YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>713972146
>Not many people read those fine prints, so it's okay to fuck consumers over?
Except you're not being fucked over by the company, you're being fucked over by yourself. You chose to ignore the very clear and obvious warnings on the box, in the EULA, the store page, whatever.

>>713972176
Just because I know you're going to target my post, no one is saying the EULA itself is legally binding however that doesn't mean that it doesn't convey information that is.
For example if it says we can extract your blood then no that's not legal obviously but if it says you only own a license as per the laws of copyright etc then it is.

>>713966064
>Rich kikes will lose money
That's a good thing, actually.
>>713968675
Making it easier to jailbreak hardware you paid for and own is a good thing, too.

>>713963170 (OP)
This is a battle for the soul of gaming and people here are seething that it is shilling. What shilling nigger? There is no money to gain from this shit.

>>713972296
>Just because I know you're going to target my post
Oh no, poor you, being accosted on a public forum! Whatever will you do?
>doesn't mean that it doesn't convey information
The information EULA conveys is subject to retroactive change or alteration without a warning, wouldn't be the first time it happened. Strike one.
>but if it says you only own a license as per the laws of copyright
As per the laws of the European Union, you own a product and copyright has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Strike two.

You got one last attempt.

>>713972426
>Whatever will you do?
Completely destroy your argument and send you into a fit of rage where you go on a tangent about things that are irrelevant since any change to an EULA, which rarely happen, don't change any legslese in it.
>you own a product and copyright has nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Except copyright is the reason you have a license and that's true in the EU as well.

I take it your final response is going to be more ignorance.

>>713972296
>very clear and obvious
the smallest of prints behind a box using obfuscating language?
Just like the age rating, that shit should be on front of the box in big bold letters "THIS GAME WILL EVENTUALLY DIE"
I hope you're being paid for running defence for these corporations

>>713972597
Imagine being this retarded.

>>713972426
>you own a product
Yeah and that product is a licence. What don't you get about that?

>>713972597
>since any change to an EULA, which rarely happen, don't change any legslese in it.
Happens all the time and without prior warning. The only one losing his wits here is you right now. I am enjoying the process of mocking you.

>Except copyright is the reason you have a license
Wrong again, strike three. You're out!

>>713972661
Incorrect, products, services and licenses are separate things covered under different legislations and copyright law is even farther removed from those when it comes to the European Union.