Thread 713964426

Absolutely dominating!

>>713964426 (OP)
classic xp > oddity xp

>>713964530
Yeah, I agree.

>>713965069
Holy based

>>713965069
I find it funny that he even says anything about it when he has his own daughter as second of command and female sec troopers already working for him.

Is there a way to access the pirate merchant without betraying Aegis or joining the pirates?

Firearm pistols are ASS
never trusting /v/ again

>>713965248
I super-duper stealthed my way to her once (I'm assuming you're talking about Katya, and not the other pirate merchants)
I can't remember if she's actually default hostile or not. :shrug:

>>713964426 (OP)
North Underrail is too civilized. Will it be any fun to explore in the sequel?

>>713965387
Nice, good to know. Guess I will try that and then genocide the pirates when they kidnap Oldfield eventually.

>>713965325
>ap bullets for crawlers
The fuck

>>713965325
What do you usually run?

>>713965183
I've mentally noted to myself when the "voice" of the writer behind the lines seems to change.

Like if I had to guess, Underrail's dialogue and descriptions are written by two different people:
-one is a normal guy who can't really into fluff but played a lot of Fallout/Arcanum and has a basic idea of how to structure things and occasionally has fun.
-The other is a gay man (likely closeted) who considers himself "low key" woke and believes himself a good writer.

That's why you can get sometimes even get whiplash characterization like that. It'll jump from funny banter and sci-fi lore building plots in the funky setting that is Underrail in one place to shoe-horned virtue preening completely out of setting the next.

>>713965879
Got any examples of this?

>>713965585
anything that has mechanical DR/DT takes more damage from w2c rounds and seeing that I need to kill them before they act or I die, it's called for.

>>713965325
The absolute state of your build

>>713965979
Talking to NPCs in SGS then anything you talk to in the Free Drones base.

this guy

>>713966045
Can't say I notice much discrepancy. Are you thinking of people like Kokoschka versus that of Vera?

>>713966175
I love Ladelman, best part of the expansion.

>>713966259
Pay closer attention. I would put money on it not being the same person writing the dialogue.

>>713966043
Why the fuck does every Yogi encounter have to have a million evasion? You're probably super levelled with really high guns skill and you're in close range so you get the pistol evasion piercing and abomination is a super hunchback so it shouldn't have evasion in the first place but it still has enough to drop you below 95%.
I know this is a minor example compared to Masters zooming around dodging everything while wearing blast suits, but fuck. Why did he think every single enemy needed evasion?

>>713966358
Well, you can't except people to engage in a discussion on it if you aren't willing to elaborate further. It's a long game after all.

>>713964530
>>713964583
>DUDE I LOVE BEING LEVEL 30 AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO IMPROVE MY CHARACTER ON WHEN I AM JUST HALFWAY THE GAME!

>>713966043
oh wow !!! firearm pistols so good!! I have to use ammo to pretend to be a melee! I have to trigger my feats with a unique weapon you can only get after lunatic mall!!

>>713966543
I'm thinking about doing a level 10 run next time I play. Not sure if I'll be able to make it but I might.

>>713966628
imo if you had 10 levels of skill points but uncapped skill it would be fine. I'd think you'd need to be able to specialize in at least 3 skills. If I'm doing the math right, at level 10 you only get up to 55 base skill points in anything, but have a total of 420 points. 420 points is enough, but 55 skill points in any one skill isnt.

>>713965584
Ever since I discovered you can prevent the kidnapping, I've done it every time.

>>713966762
It's 60 at level 10. It'll probably work if I use ambush/stuns/grounds/whatever to get around evasion. Maybe. I'll find out if I actually do it.

>>713966045
>implying I talk to the commies instead of gassing them ASAP

>>713966628
that sounds really frustrating and unfun
if the game was like 50% shorter then maybe it would be ok

>>713966486
Because dominating difficulty increases enemy stats across the board.

>>713966604
Why are you malding instead of fixing your shit build?

>>713966543
Yes.

>>713966987
There's "increases enemy stats" and there's "these guys have 95% penalty but they still have several hundred evasion because haha dominating". It's stupid. You look at other dominating encounters and they don't cheat like that. Dominating Balor doesn't go flying around like a rocket. Dominating nagas don't dodge everything.

>>713967303
It literally says in the difficulty description that it's unfair and not guaranteed that you can finish the game. Some regular humans having 5k HP is also not explainable.

>>713966770
Oh shit, you can? What does it involve? Killing the pirates first?

>>713964426 (OP)
Are the two DLC worth it?
I can easily afford the base game, but getting the two DLC puts it just above my cap since I'm also buying other games

>>713965647
random snippet of gameplay of an actual stygian build
no constant reloading, has endless backup plans for RNG
does everything 3-5 levels lower
10 con facetanks the half-dozen stalkers before the synesthete camp and gets to it on first try at much lower levels
room to pick up whatever feat I want, even if it's unoptimal, like packrat and doctor
not broke from always buying ammo and trying to craft
skillpoints assigned wherever I want them

>>713967570
The moment you're at the Aegis camp, pickpocket a unique communicator from the chunky NPC technician on the dock map. Report and turn it in to Marcus.

>>713967648
The Expedition is very very much worth it. Heavy Duty is simply not the same kind of DLC

>>713967648
Heavy Duty is an easy skip. The new area is only like an hour long, and the new weapon types are okay but nothing you need.
Expedition is much better since it has a lot of new areas/enemies/items/feats/everything. You can skip it if you need to though. Base game is still fun.

>>713967648
Expedition is 100% worth it.

>>713967648
Get Expedition, skip Heavy Duty.

>>713967748
Thanks, bro, I am sad I did not invest in pickpocketing....

>>713966175
Wait, do they even have jails? I saw one in Foundry but that's all.
Thought they just dominate anyone who does anything funny

>>713968124
It only requires 39 effective skill, but I don't blame you. I rarely use it.

>>713966486
evasion only works on ranged, not most psi and not melee. like every kind of CC turns evasion off, and there's a lot of ways to boost precision. most of the time, the high evasion isn't a real issue. the cherrypicked clip of the guy throwing deagle at The Abomination boss where he reloads every time he loses the initial 88% diceroll is misleading.

>>713968281
If you're Praetorian you can arrest the hobo outside your house, so I guess there's meant to be a prison somewhere in Core City. It's just offscreen I guess.

I fucking hate Foundry
The people there, I mean. They're 100% assholes, except for like, 2 guys.
Would there be any reason why I shouldn't just exterminate the whole place?

>>713968580
That hobo gets brutally slain every playthrough by a mysterious assailant. Poor guy.
Shouldn't have ignored the warnings I suppose.

>>713968597
Kevin sells magnesium grenades if you don't have 40 chemistry. Also good amounts of AP ammo.

>>713968685
>I spend 90% of my life digging through dumpsters suddenly I get a house and I piss on a hobo doing the same
He's not doing any harm
Now, the burglar in the house right outside the Praetorian's- he gets a mysterious death.

Who cleans the bathrooms in Underrail, do the stations hire janitors? Imagine being the Underrail janitor.

Should I kill the muties at the camp in the black sea? They seem friendly enough but their demands are ridiculous.

>>713969523
If you can't sneak by and are unwilling to give in to their demands, what other options do you have?

>>713969393
Does Boycie count?

>>713969608
I could sneak in, but I have a murder lust

>>713969709
You can intimidate your way in. The one at the gate has a high requirement so maybe bribe him with morphine instead, but Wesley only needs 60. Balaclava+standard Tchort robes+bullet belt+slackjaw (Ladelmen sells this in his special stock, easy to get from him)+somirbaren weapon+mutant dog boots is enough to meet the check even with 0 base. If you have 90 effective electronics you can fix their generator and they'll even forgive you for being rude and be friends from that point.

>>713969875
Hell yeah, excellent.

if you haven't played a psi monk yet, play a psi monk

>>713970729
Hook a brother up with a build and I'll consider it. Only if it's Dominating approved.

>>713969646
It's a good start.

>>713970920
there's a lot of dominating approved psi-monkery out there. imo it's the most friendly way to play dominating without any points in throwing or traps even
my favorite is 8 dex for AP breakpoint on gloves, get lightning punches, then just stack strength for damage on both fists and psychic fists. lightning punches, corporeal projection, force user, and expose weakness, are the must-haves and that's it.
you can just fill in the the rest however you want

>>713971731
Do you think perception 3 and will 3 will work then?

>>713972279
perception is uselses. you need Will for Force User

>>713967648
creampie both
heavy duty is worth for it's weapons alone

>>713972416
Hmm alright, trying to think out a dump stat.

>>713965879
well yeah, it's still at least styg and phryg writing. yogi did some stuff too, he's pretty easy to spot as all his dialogue is broken in various ways, including technically. don't remember if the other guys have contributed much in that department.

>>713972797
Yogi is good.

I always slaughter both the savages and pirates every playthrough, I always purge the savages first after the first invasion before doing the mutie island quest.

>>713972537
Don't forget to dilate afterward, psisister

>>713973159
I should do that too....

>>713965428
wasn't it a prequel?

They need to buff CON and shotguns.

>>713973720
Infusion? No, it was originally going to be a standalone expansion with a new character and story vis a vis the same time as original Underrail, but Styg decided to make it a full sequel after engine improvements, etc.

>>713974170
thank god, that's infinitely better

>>713974095
Constitution's getting buffed for Infusion. Or maybe it's more that low constitution is getting nerfed? Either way, if your guy is an out of shape fuck he's going to get tired after running five feet.

>>713965428
no, so it's good that you aren't going to see it anyway.

>>713964426 (OP)
Heh, I just noticed this slip for the first time

>>713974820
I want to see Six pretending to be a person.
>you must retake the outposts from rathounds
>why?
>you do not need that information
>do I get paid?
>your petty concern for money is not relevant
>you've given me no reason and no incentive to do this so i don't want to
>humans are stupid, you must obey my orders unquestioningly, go do it

>>713974820
Nothing wrong with saying the word human, I say it all the time.

I'm running out of feats to pick, the fuck should I do? Put 2 points into dexterity instead of perception to pick grenadier and 3 pointer?

>>713965325
>make shit build
>it's shit
Wow.

>>713966628
I know level 10 stealth assault rifle runs have been done, and it's not too ridiculously difficult because AR is pretty much done by level 10 and outside of commando most improvement beyond that point is usually overkill damage that's getting sprayed in the air. AR also naturally does well even with mediocre accuracy. Below level 10 would probably require pure cheese bullshit all the time due to losing concentrated fire.

What the hell is going on in South Underrail. You have alien constructs, secret illuminati organizations, a biomass god in the deep caverns

>>713975179
found the GodTranny
mods, use the pre-nerfed Wicked Hook on him

>>713975702
Low trust mongrel society exploited by a megacorp for centuries

LMGs or SMGs?

I nearly finished underail and the expedition 6 years ago before I ended up stopping cause I kinda burned myself out.

I wanna finish it now, last time I had a psy build which i think got a bunch of nerfs now? Any reccomendations for another build?

>>713975731
AAAIIIIII

Sørmirbæren women absolutely dominate all the females of South Underrail. Shame we can't marry one.

>>713976757
The pirates have a couple decent ones as well.

>>713976757
Vivian is cuter than all of them

>>713977060
Vivian clearly has some similar genestock to where the sørmirbæren originally come from. Same with Gunnar Edstrom, maybe Ola, and so on.

>>713977060
I don't find spies cute.

>>713976434
psi is still immensely powerful. practically you just use the shitty spells even less, and huff an asthma pipe now and then.
just pick a weapon that appeals to you, everything works. somebody even finished the game on dom without any items, including lockpicks, healing, etc. just some mandatory quest items + tnt for hathor.

Do you recon the game would be more fun if I doubled all talents/attribute points/skill points and proficiency points?
Right now the game for me is quite boring, even on DOMINATING, because no matter what you get one build with one single routine and no real variety.
I kind of want to be able to switch up based on the situation, swap between guns and chemical guns or sport some major psychic powers while sniping from far away, at the same time I'm unsure if that will just make the game boring by virtue of being overpowered.
Any suggestions?

>>713977312
>he believed Ola was telling the truth about that

>>713977060
>dies off-screen

>>713975281
https://underrail.info/build/?GAUFAwkMAwfCggAAAAAAAABfXwAeX18oX18AAAAAAAAAMQhiwrDClh_CkMKYS1Mp37w

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I'm doing a run on hard and I'm out of good feats to pick. The way I see it I could go into temporal manipulation, take dex for grenades or put it all in perception

>>713977452
You can pretty easily do multiple attack types if you try. I know the common advice is that you shouldn't do it, but that's directed at people who have no fucking idea how to make characters. If you know what you're doing it's not hard.
I came up with https://underrail.info/build/?FAUFBgMKCgZuRgAAAABuOyEAAFNCJixQbgAAAAAAOCskATk_wrDCljUCKsK8fiHfvg just now in like five minutes. Competent with shotguns and sniper rifles and thought control, and that's only level 20. You don't need to cheat to get variety.

So Hexagon is basically Kowloon on steroids, right?

>>713978126
I'm a fan of Thought Control but I know people prefer Temporal Manipulation.
As for feats... Doctor is helpful. Paranoia? Your initiative will be shit. Expertise or Perfect Scattering? I never bothered with a dedicated shotty build.

>>713978126
I hate playing without grenadier. 1 more dex to get it is a total no brainer for me.

>>713978452
It's shit alright but I feel like I can tank most stuff on hard
>As for feats... Doctor is helpful. Paranoia?
I'll consider these but they don't feel that strong.
>Your initiative will be shit. Expertise or Perfect Scattering? I never bothered with a dedicated shotty build.
Expertise and perfect scattering straight up don't work sadly.

>>713978690
If I put 1 point to dex and get grenadier should I also put 1 point into strength, then pick increased strength at 26 to wear steel armor? Dunno if I need the perception with shotguns

>>713965428
Someone will detonate an underground supernuke and fuck it all up

>>713978126
lack of mobility makes it less good, but barrel stare is literally free damage.
consider escape artist, getting stuck can often be fatal. that would also enable grenadier and quick tinkering for maximum bullshittery. you already have some traps for some reason anyway. fast metabolism is ok even without psi, and yes you can just slap TM to any build and make it better if you want to.

>>713980578
I think I'll just go tin can to survive, if I had one extra perk point I could pick grenadier but alas it's wasted on perception. Juggernaut is too good to pass with high con and at 7 str I might as well go for metal armors.

Is viable a Unarmed Explosives build? no grenade launcher, only throwables.

>>713980241
Good.

>>713982302
Both are strong on their own already, so yes

>>713982302
Throwing only is possible but you need to use throwing knives. Grenades have a cooldown so you can't rely on just them.

>>713982578
>Grenades have a cooldown
FUCK

>>713978891
Shotgun is definitely doable at 12 perception with maxed out leading shot. A lot just comes down to preference. I also wouldn't be able to sit at 9 con without just getting 10 for thick skull. Personally I would've dropped int and given up power management and gun nut. 6 would still be enough for armor sloping. But again, it's all preference. If you haven't had a problem with grenade cooldown so far then grenadier isn't a big deal. How much you need to do to mitigate the movement penalty of heavy armor going forward is also preference. I've only ever played on dominating, so I have strong preferences for the things I've personally relied on.

>>713982715
Get the feat that reduces this and couple it with temporal manipulation

>>713982987
I think gun nut is pretty good for shotguns since vindicator has pretty high maximum damage value and pellets average everything upwards

Why is this game so unpopular on Reddit?

>>713983336
why the fuck do you care what reddit thinks

>>713983336
Because the dev is an evil nazi chud

>>713983336
They get filtered by rathounds and having to read.

>>713966175
>*flings shit at you*
it's-a me, Tony

>>713966543
Exactly, memorizing where certain pieces are garbage located to level up is a shit gameplay design

>>713984479
Reddit? Inflexible ideologues that believe any bullshit they hear so long as it supports their worldview?
That doesn't sound right.

>>713976757
>keeps triggering combat in you're path

I've liked Unarmed the last two times I did it; one with Psi and one without. A fair bit more difficult without, especially if you go up against robots or anything with a high Mechanical resist and Expose Weakness misses.

>>713966543
>DUDE I LOVE BEING UNDERLEVELED IN THE FINAL AREA AND HAVING TO FARM MOBS FOR RNG EXP LOOT

>>713984479
Fucking lol

>>713966543
>>713987067
Can't we dominate in peace?

>some random guy steals the cube from the faceless
>guy must be some kind of badass
>styx does not make a hidden prequel that ends up you stealing the cube and connecting directly with underrail 1

Watching shitters throw a temper tantrum when their easy mode psi builds got nerfed was so fucking funny. What a based dev.

>>713966543
>>713964530
the idea of oddity is good, but the implementation just makes you into a garbage man, clicking every barrel and trash pile to find a way to level up.

>>713984479
>Lemuria and Atlantis
Ah yes, the well known sunken landmasses of myth that are used as names for underwater bases and outposts located in a place only accessible by water? Nah, must be some nazi shit, the cigar CAN'T be just a cigar.
>Hyperborea
I can't remember a single point in the game where someone even says hyperborea, and while that may be more linked with nazis than the previous two it sure as hell wouldn't be evidence of anything. Could just as easily be a Conan reference or myth in general.
>Styg twitter
Your fault for going on twitter.

Reading that was suffering.

>>713987598
I would coom from kino

>>713989470
I really thought he would do it. I think he even said it's not even gonna be in Hexagon.

It was perfect from a writing standpoint. The last mission would be the cube heist. Faceless obviously are some really strong endgame faction and stealing something like the cube from them could have been a big thing. You could get some backstory for the faceless, for the oculites and how it all went down. And since the guy who stole the cube was never mentioned to be male or female it was perfect for a self made character.

>>713964530
FPBP

>>713988101
I was going to look into every trash can and break into every house anyway, so I'm a fan of oddity xp

>>713990082
based garbage man

>>713965069
YAAS QUEEN, SLAY!

>>713989883
Either Styg is not interested in continuing the story or he wants to wait until his dev skills are better, hence Underrail 2's separate story and location.

>>713977060
She cute :(

>>713977060
I'm not crying....

>>713991378
This but unironically

>>713964426 (OP)
How's the crafting in this game? I heard it's basically mandatory.

>>713994553
You can get away without it but it's pretty strong.
If you don't want to engage with it you can skip most of it. Just go to gun shop, buy gun frame+gun barrel+gun attachments and then combine them. That's as deep as you need to go. Maybe you'll need to go to multiple shops to get all the attachments you want but it's still not complex.

Just wiped out the Sørmirbæren leader and village. Do I get any extra pay for this?

>>713995012
Nobody even acknowledges it. It's pretty stupid.

>>713995132
Wow that's lame. Of all the things Styg could have programmed in, it could have been that.

>>713995012
Your pay is no more interruptions from attacks at base

>>713995132
Isn't your Expedition saying the attacks stopped or so?

>>713995693
I deserve a handshake!

>>713977452
you could do it like this: plan out 2 separate builds in the same archetype, and when you level up and pick a say hammer specific perk, you can use a cheat engine table to get 2 perk points, at that same time pick a sword perk too. Yes it's sort of cheating because of the added versatility of the other weapon and it's cooldowns, but you can limit yourself by finishing a dungeon with 1 weapon type and switch only in town. Take generalist perks normally, you won't need extra skill points as both categories take from the same one

>>713995719
They don't even say that. The attacks do stop, but nobody comments. They just think it's a coincidence or something.
If you ask Yahota she says she can't see any lights in the village, that's it.

>>713996305
Awful. Just awful.

>>713995132
>>713995132
The sniper women will say that she doesn't see any activity in the villages anymore, but that's it.

What level should I be before I start the DLC? I have 200 hours in this game and this is the longest I've ever got in a playthrough before reroll-itis kicked in.

>>713997682
What build are you playing as?
First time Im doing the dlc too after 200 hours and I started it at 25/26. Probably later than most.

>>713997803
Assault Rifle/Thought Control, very squishy. I'm level 16 now, and I need to craft some shit and get at least another feat before I'm comfortable.

>>713978408
I thought it was a bit more esoteric but yeah probably

>>713965325
>Goes pistol
>Does not level throwing
Rumao, at least you are not a TM abuser
>>713972537
Dilating in-game and outside of it.

>>713998632
>throwing
you didn't beat the game.

>>713998040
Good luck, the dlc can get quite difficult.

>>713998828
WHAT

>>713998828
Bullets are already explosives, I don't see *why* is it not thematic to go with more explosives.

>mfw I accidentally joined preatorian security instead of coretech
Where the hell do I get my high end electronic components now??

>>713999761
The eye.

>>713999761
Time to do Abram's quest.

>>713999761
How do you accidentally join someone...you should have gone with Phreak!

>>714001380
I played by memory, remembered that I need high quality electronics and completely forgot which one was which

FUCK

>>714001380
You can go with both Phreak and a oligarch if you do the former first.

>>714001917
but betrayal is mean :(

>>714002537
You don't betray Phreak if you do both.

>>714001917
I already started the praetorian questline...

>>714002773
Have you accepted the quest to find the Acid Hunters? If not, I think you should be able to find him.

>>714002853
I have but not from the oligarchs

>>714003094
Then you should be able to find him still. Go to the water pump area at the bottom of Core City with a pair of night vision goggles and turn them on near the pipes. You should find the secret entrance.

When you go sniper you don't need to use dynamie or the heavy ass jackhammer

Are there any cute girls (fuckable) in this game? I won't play otherwise.

>>713964426 (OP)
Just bought this, any beginner tips?

>>714003849
Choose 1 (ONE) weapon type and autistically focus on it. You can check the box to see all feats and loosely plan your ability point spread to be able to meet the requisites for the feats of your weapon type. Use every dirty trick you can: Stealth, grenades, traps, etc. Crafting is annoying but it is also your ticket to immortal godhood.

There are many guides on the underrail forum but you don't really need them unless you choose to play on dominating difficulty.

>>714003849
Play on Normal difficulty for your first time.

>>713965069
>gets slapped
>cries

>>713973716
You should, invasions are turned off when you get the mutie island quest.

>>714004894
oh......

>>713973159
>slaughter the pirates every playthrough
Aegis eventually leaves though. If you want merchants that stick around afterwards, join the pirates.

>>714005243
Oculus tsakes care of most needs, plus free drones or protectorate. Killing them is much more benefcial.

>>713977060
Who is this? I don't remember ever seeing her.

>>714005442
You might as well betray Aegis and kill them all at the end then.

>>713977060
Both she and the Sørmirbæren women have something in common, they're both dead.

>think your build is strong
>start DLC
>don't even have time to get comfortable when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iTyVoet9w0
Will Styg ever top this feeling?

>>714005850
hahahahahahahaha1111!!!!!!

>>714005880
I love that the stuff that's good in most of the rest of the game (high frequency shields, high single target damage, powerful long cooldown abilities) are bad against the natives.

>>714006341
My shotgun build went from dominating the main game to pipeworking garbage in the dlc

>>714003849
Don't be a conlet.
Stick to or two weapons.
Stealth and traps are powerful.
Don't do Dude's quest before you hit level ten if you are a stealthlet or a woman.
Crafting is extremely powerful.
Persuasion has some nice perks like avoiding encounters or being able to get the upper hand.
United Stations and their goons are faggots.

>>714006341
Also melee builds that aren't insane dodge tanks get chewed up by the natives really hard. Can't really tank 50 dudes with poison and low impact weapons.

>>714003849
Hard is hard and will fuck you up.

>>713987598
Azif tells you about the agent who stole the cube if you talk to him after coming back from the DC. I don't think it'd work out as a game because the agent pretty much kept larping as a Faceless until he actually thought he was one but still had enough of his personality left to fulfill the mission and is still with the Faceless after delivering the box deep into his larp.

>build is good enough for Base game
>not good enough for the DLCs

>>714006715
Monks actually thrive against the natives. They have the highest mobility with 4 AP attacks plus Fancy Footwork, and do amazing damage against anything without high Mechanical threshold. I'd easily kill a few natives in a single round then dash away with the tons of extra movement.

>>714007643
pain...

Didn't expect the lmg/heavy guns build to be so much fun to use. Is the minigun much different from lmg?

>>714006584
>Don't be a conlet
You can laugh at the 3 con lifestyle, but nothing can beat this peak tactical stragem.

>>713965325
>>713966043
This looks so boring

>>713978126
shotguns? play it. Tincan survival, sure sure whatever. You're not making mistakes it's just shit from the get-go. Just learn to hate shotguns and report back

>>714003709
There are only two girls in the game you can attempt to romance, one tries to drug and murder you, the other gets killed off screen.

>>714009876
What makes shotties so bad? High AP cost?

>>714009876
>Shotguns
>Bad
Pipeworker banga and possible a TM abuser could make this post.

>>714009917
Who's the one that gets killed off screen? I know about the Foundry woman

>>713988101
I'm playing dominating, I have to check every single barrel for every single bottle I can save money from, besides, I love those little treats of xp from a random barrel in the corner, makes fighting enemies a matter of convenience, crafting materials and or cash

>>714010548
Vivian, the girl you work with if you join JKK. >>713977060

>>714003551
>stealth archer build breaks another game

>>714011016
Not very sealthy since there are no suppressed snipers

>>713988101
>playing crpgs
>not checking everything and running through all dialogue automatically

>>713972537
>got to experience temporal manipulation before the psi fuckery update

>>713982302
>>713982715
I've been doing 100% throwing on dominating see >>713967662

damage grenades have 2 turn cooldown, but there's a lot of other things to throw, but that's not that bad of a restriction. Grenade -> limited temporal increment -> end turn -> grenade is a lot of front loaded damage. throwing knives are pretty shit at the start but they actually scale with your skill unlike other throwing implements so they so they start to pick up, and fatal throw is very strong.
and everything is just designed to buy you a thousand turns. throwing nets buy you more turns, putting CALTROPS everywhere is one of the most busted things in the game, EMP grenades start to become really useful. Shock shurikens are a non-scaling form of throwing knives that start really good and have some extra utility. And there's no reason not to invest heavily into poisons, and all the extra turn-buying and LTI use chains into traps with Quick Tinkering very easily

oh, and gas grenades, and acid vials, and putting poisons on traps/caltrops/throwing knives is all a huge extra source of damage.

I went to 10 con just because the build can afford to do it. I have thick skull, I have loads of HP, metal boots/sure step to run across my own caltrops, respirator to run through my own gas clouds, antithermic overcoat to run through my own incendiary grenades. the whole kit comes together as being extremely forgiving. throwing only is a very very good build, with only a couple of blindspots that you mostly find in the expedition expansion

>>714010283
expensive to operate, high AP cost with nothing synergizing quite right or unique going for it. the high AP cost means one-turn wonder mowdowns won't happen vs. multiple enemies, but it doesn't have any control to make up for it. pellets get eaten by damage threshold enemies and it'll turn into a lot of pounding every single thing with expensive w2c shells and it's not like SMG's that can use expose weakness or 5mm shock rounds

>>714003551
and here I am bringing the jackhammer everywhere like a FUCKING RETARD

I did a shotgun build and it wasn't so bad, you just gotta use the red shells only unless its an armorless creature like rathounds then the yellow shells work better. I also had grenades and thumper for crowd control, I ended up killing the final boss in just 3 shots without doing the mutagen puzzle or destroying the healing tanks.

>>714012248
my last playthrough was a burst-fire shotgunner with a grenade launcher for back-up and it was a cakewalk

>>714014417
>grenade launcher for back-up
that's a whole nother thing

I am almost tempted to give it a try.. Anons, please tell me if you have good romance options.

>>714014848
people like this game because it isn't bogged down by romance, just (You), the pipes and the caves

>>714009876
>>714012248
Shotties aren't bad. The perk to ignore evasion is broken, you can play somewhat low PER, tanky and still hit agile enemies on dominating. It turns into a satisfying positioning minigame, you can often kill targets next to the guy you shot at. I never used any w2c shells, reds and yellows all the way.
>one-turn wonder mowdowns
Not everything can be firearm pistols, maybe you should try playing firearm pistols.

I can't even make supersteel, I don't have enough charons. this build suuuuucks

I'm still mad about the psi nerf, especially for pure psi builds I can no longer use everything at my disposal and can only use 6 abilities at as time.

I always play a mage in all RPGs but for once I wanna just be a dude in heavy armor shooting a machinegun
Can I still get enough magic to buff myself or would I have to look up metagame shit to make that work?

>>714015683
no it's pretty easy to support anything with the TM psi school

or for the truly enlightened, sometimes supporting your gun with TC

>>714009549
It's more boring than it looks. Underrail sucks. Go play Wasteland 2/3 instead, or if you really just crave a godlike new CRPG then Archaelund.

>>714015795
Okay, not gonna look up what the builds are, just gonna jump in. Thanks friendo

>>714015805
yep, u got filtered

>>714015805
I did. They're decent enough as an entire package, but both Wasteland 2 and Wasteland 3 have god awful and absolutely braindead combat, which is a problem compounded further by how much of it there is and how limited the options for character development are. What you're doing at hour 10 is exactly what you'll be doing at hour 30.

>>714016316
Nta but that's underrail...

>>714016398
no, you are the same anon
no, you certainly do not clear depot a the same way you survive DC
you got filtered

>>714016316
Then play Archelund on Old School or Cruel difficulty, much more tactical than Wasteland because every level up gives new options. What you do in hour 120 is not the same as what you do in hour 10.

>>714016602
>early access slop

I think I've seen it shilled on Codex, so I'm willing to give it a go.

>>714016765
It's early access, but it's good. The dev has never abandoned a game. He had Exiled Kingdoms in early access for years on mobile and finished it.

>>714016935
imagine buying an unfinished game because Underrail filtered you

So, for monk builds, Gloves are better early and Unarmed is better late, right?

>>714017457
Well the unfinished game is just fun for me, that's all.

>>714017852
Leather gloves and completely unarmed are two separate builds.

>>714014848
No. None.

>>714017852
You'll need something like the power fist for the robots in Expedition.

>>714018094
rusting acid traps

>>714004509
Don't worry she'll kiss it better

>>714017852
To some degree yes. You can make insanely strong gloves midgame if you're pumping crafting stats and do Foundry early. And you can hit 4 AP attacks with Leather Gloves at 17 DEX, which is possible with the Improved Dexterity feat or temporary boosts.
But nothing really competes with Improved + Expert Unarmed damage especially since you can pump STR due to only needing 12 DEX to reach 4 AP attacks. And STR is a multiplicative damage amp on true unarmed unlike weapons where it's additive.

>>714017852
unarmed it trash from start to finish compared to gloves.
With enough crafting you can get some massive damage going if you use super steel fiber to up the quality of your leathers. Or just combine two super steel plates of the highest quality for some insane heavy gloves.

>>713994553
crafting isn't mandatory but it's always very very good. some builds can skip it a lot more than others but it's hard to resist the temptation.

just having crafting skill isn't good enough most of the time (chemistry excluded), you have to find materials of high enough quality

>>714016602
>>714017860
Should have included pictures of the Goblin, Minotaur, and Half Orc+Half Elf female player character portraits if you wanted to catch strong attention.

>>714014848
lmao
>>714017852
Early game (pre-invasion) yeah. To be honest a lot of builds that work have the hardest problem at the start. The biggest challenge an unarmed build will have it's the beetles.
>>714018659
>t. Never used an unarmed build

>>714019356
>t. Never used an unarmed build
I did and I regretted it by level 26

>>714019421
Post build.
And If I see Psi abusing Im calling tanner on your ass.

>start a build
>get to depot a
>start a build
>get to depot a
>start a build
>get to depot a
>start a build
>get to depot a
>start a build
>get to depot a
>start a build
>get to depot a
>start a build
>get to depot a

despite having almost 1000 hours into this game and having created atleast 100 characters I've only reached core city like 5 times and have only beaten the game twice

>>713977060
>she
>her
anons... Mykola even says he does not have any *daughters*

>>714019508
https://underrail.info/build/?HAoJBwkDAwUARgDClihQwpZXQAAAZG4oE3gAAADClgAUACsxOWIgBk4DE8KoEsKHPAdLwqnCtt--
feats are out of order

>>714009876
what the are you even doing if you fail with fucking shotguns of all things. do you have hard time with assault rifles too?
>>714012248
>expensive to operate
>smg expose weakness
i have no idea what you are doing, but you're doing it WRONG

>>714020743
>Psi abuser
>ONLY 12 STR in the most STRpilled build in the game
>No biology
>NO intimidation
>Low as shit dodge/evasion even though this is a stealth build
Bruh

>>714020717
He's coping

>>714021506
>i have no idea what you are doing, but you're doing it WRONG
if you don't know that expose weakness is standard on SMG builds, you have no idea what you're talking about. actually beat the game on dominating at least once, okay?

>>714021528
I used adrenaline to boost it to STR to 16
>No biology
But it does? Enough for acid dog leather tabis.
>NO intimidation
Doesn't help me hit harder, put 0 in for yell at level 30.
>Low as shit dodge/evasion even though this is a stealth build
Just enough to fulfull some requirements.

Meanwhile 1-2 shot shit with my glove build.
Pic related, left is fist only with all buffs applied, right supersteel gloves without any buffs or drugs.

>>714021528
>Low as shit dodge/evasion
not that anon but I do this too. dodge and evasion are essentially useless on dominating difficulty. the problem enemies in DC, for example, still end up with ~70% precision on their attacks if you get you stack dodge/evasion to 700.

they're joke skills

>>714022364
never fucking happaned, I have to wait until blaine

>>714014848
Fuck off retard

>>714020717
>>714021717
I'm straight but if Vivi is a dude I'd still date him no homo

>>714021971
my man, you found a way to fail with shotguns.
>>714021717
he is, and no wonder.

>>714021506
assault rifles are reliably middle of the pack they're just boring. SMGs are GOAT, fists and knives are OP, energy weapons are good, chem pistols are fun and good, best snipers and swords are ratfest reload streaky, sledgehammer is massively underrated and spears are a noob trap, firearm pistols take forever to get going.
stealth, traps, and throwing are how all the lacking builds survive until they can be actually good, so yeah, shotguns are cruddy.

(the taser and psionics are SMG/fist/knives tier)

>>714023005
vivian has a penis? That just makes it better

you faggots on here will shill styg to no end
but dont you dare forget what he took from you

for me its chemical pistols

>>714022364
on 3 recent characters that happened on 2 of them
not sure how rare it is to find an advanced catalyzing belt super early but that happened on 2 of the 3 too

I swear one of the updates made pre-invasion loot less restrictive

>>714023331
That's someones son!

i dont know what to do in the last act. its go open a gate and beat the shit out of tchort?
easier said than done. the eldritch abominations keep spawning and burning through my ammo and napalm grenades. im pretty sure im gonna be running out of chems too at this rate

>>714023534
you have to use your ingenuity
I think DC is a well designed final chapter but not everyone agrees with me

>>714023115
i'd accuse you of baiting, but you put way too much thought and effort to this... in case you *are* baiting, I guess consider it successful and here's the (You). sheesh.

>>714023534
You're not supposed to fight the tchortlings in the DC, just stealth past them there's also an NPC who teaches you a feat that slows down the eye of tchort debuff.

>>714014848
Nope, but Dude is a good friend.

Honestly, the game is so fucking progressive, unintentionaly I might add, that I am still shocked that Styg made it.

>>714022210
>Dominating
Joke mode.
>>714022129
Yeah you need to do a run with proper STR one day.

>>714024709
>Joke mode.
it's the only real way to play though. hard is trivially easy

>>713965979
Not as broad, but the entire Phreak questline was blatantly written by a completely different person.

>>714024807
Yeah if you like to be emasculated and have everyone around you mog you in stats.

>>714024709
>with proper STR
Even adding +4 str here woudn't even come close to the gloves and will sacrifice crit chance.
So no, pure unarmed is just a cucked version of gloves.

>>714024962
Like I said, you need to play it. No other way around it.

>>714024952
lmao, the protag of UnderRail is overpowered. Mog you in stats? please, people have killed Tchort on dominating with a crowbar. Dominating is the only way to make the game approach being fair

>>714025065
Considering you don't even play on dominating you should really take your own advice here and find out why glves hit exponentially harder.

>>713964530
Classic would be better if the curve were dropped 20~30%
In Oddity you basically have to turn Deep Caverns upside down in order to reach level cap, even if you did a majority of the overworld quests/oddities.
In Classic, you can reach level cap without even trying. On my most recent playthrough I tried to avoid leveling past 25 until I hit DC, and I had enough xp queued to get 30 before I even stepped foot in the institute.

>>714025215
I'd make a mod that does that if it weren't for styg being such a cunt about people modding his game

>>714025215
Yeah I feel the same, oddity was neat to try once just for the novelty but I don't want to go dumpster diving and exploring every inch of ever map in the game to level up every time I play, I also don't like the Protectorate or Free Drones so I never do their quests which hinders oddity XP progress but helps keep me from overleveling on classic.

>when you accidentally click the transfer all button and now you have to reset all items that were on your skill bars
PIPEWORKER

>>713964426 (OP)
UnderMID

>>714007207
Well that could be an ending.

>>714025215
You can address this partially by removing xp from respawning enemies, like rathounds and beetles.
IMO the sormirbæron mooks shouldn't give any, you only get a chunk of xp for killing the bosses. Maybe the skærders and sppætters, at the absolute most.

least favorite enemy type?

for me? it's dogs

>>713987598
It's a bit frustrating that all of the Oculites are supposed to be apex-level assassins and hackers, but you literally never see this and all of the Oculus quests revolve around the Oculites being colossal fuck-ups.

>>714014848
You can jerk off to Vera's profile portrait in her library.

>>714026510
the oculites inside the oculus all come across as very competent. I was taking in the ambience of that place just last night again. it might legitimately be the coolest place in the entire game. All the oculites give off the aura they're almost on the PC's level.

If you focus on the best parts like Oculus, Dude's Quest shenigans, The Expedition etc. it would make a fantastic novel

Infusion when?

>>713964530
Oddity is a must for your first playthrough. After that Classic is better.

>>714027059
Probably 2 years

>>714026510
>quests focus on them being fuck ups

name one? I mean a sole oculus agent stole the freakin' cube from the inner earth borg.

>>714027059
I need more of these memes

>>714027196
Ok

>>714026429
Besides deathstalkers because who doesn't hate those fuckers I also hate all the dog enemies, especially the shitbulls.

>>714027424
If anyone has the gas station edit "there could be crawlers here" I'd appreciate it

>>714027424
>tfw I have never played the game on classic
>i always try to do everything
>I never played anything less than hard
do I hate myself?

>>714027296
man FUCK the shitbulls. sprint 90% of the map and somehow still have the AP to hit you 5 times and tank your AP into the dirt then have like 400% dodge like FUCK

>>713964426 (OP)
This is the only rpg where I actually enjoy the combat

>>714027537
Oddity is fun for your first run where you're exploring the world for the first time but after that it isn't fun to dig through the same pile of poo for the tenth time.

>>714027591
That's because all the game has is combat and character building. The story is shit.

>>714027537
no, I respect that. like, I LIKE the oddity xp curve I just dont' want to do the tedious routing for the oddities on repeat. the way it really pushes you to plot out your skill points in just the right levels of stealth/pickpocket/lockpicking etc. just so you can snag oddities and it is a pain. But the slower xp curve is cool

>>714027648
Story is pretty tertiary for a game like this. As long as the setting and dialogue is interesting enough to quickly click through it is enough to carry the game in the writing department. The last thing I felt the game needed is a more forced narrative.

>>714027648
the story isn't shit, the dialogue trees(with a few exceptions) and quests are just shallow compared to a lot of cRPGs. UnderRail's worldbuilding is actually dope

>>714027819
Yeah I wasn't saying it was a bad thing I have 700 hours in the game and use cheatengine to fast forward through the walking/story.

>>713964426 (OP)
how was the lastest DLC? the one with the companion, and has the developer added anything else since?

>>713977060
Styg is such a fag for this

>>714027959
objectively true

Styg should nerf the Taser, caltrops, and traps. Literal cheat items.

>>714028237
>deathstalker poison tipped caltrops
almost feels like cheating.
if it wasn't because the combat is so bullshit i wouldn't use them.

>>714028417
caltrops are so stupid with any of the poisons. you can throw caltrops, then throw a gas grenade, and humans will (without getting hostile and starting combat) walk over the caltrops to disarm the gas grenade. it's so dumb

>>714028237
What benefit would nerfing universal tools have beyond increasing the frequency of quickloads?

Should I go down to hard to have more (shittier) builds to play around with without having to slot TM in?

>>714029020
no. there's plenty of dominating builds that can skip TM

>>714029020
Anything goes in Hard as long as you know what you're doing. Dominating is where viability comes down exclusively to how hard you can cheese and shit out min/maxed crit DPS.
My most recent build was a sword ninja on Hard that was a ton of fun, which would have never even made it through the arena on Dominating.

Is stealth a thing in this game? Can I steal everything in enemy bases without being noticed?

>>714029020
why would you want to play with such shitty builds you have to have less combat in a game where combat is the only point.
i'm all for meme builds, but if they're too shit it's just boring

>>714029427
Stealth is the optimal approach 90% of the time.
You only avoid stealth with specific tincan builds that trivialize defense and initiative and thus have no need for it.

>>714003849
play the game on normal. play through it blind. absolutely do not look up anything about the game and read everything. it's a fantastic experience.

>>714029226
swords can do dominating. I didn't finish my dominating swords run but I stopped only after clearing lunatic mall. not the greatest, but I'm sure it can hang

>>714029427
stealth is one of the most powerful skills in the game. possibly #1

redpill me on rathound king
is he really a bad guy?

>>714029901
>[he grins]

>>714029901
his philosophy is that of a savage- to kill and take and abide by no rules but strength. Then he's just a jobber with a crossbow. So I find no issue that he just *dies*.

>>714023420
I will now play your game

>>714030383
heheheheh

>>714030383
>walking around in the dark
>her a "dink" - no damage
>combat starts
Just some metal armor things

Maybe being a conlet isn't so bad after all bros...

>>714031067
can also do that on lighter builds with high end crafted riot armor. only 30% armor penalty but a super steel sheet on a sturdy vest can make even a 3 con 3 strength versatility dex weenie feel like a tankie boy. just but boxing gloves in your offhand slot and enjoy that absurd amount of free block on your SMG build

>>714031485
Ezra, Dude, and Abram are my favorite characters, easily.

idk why people shittalk shotguns I'm lv 15 and do 500dmg per shot on a crappy one

>free drones
What is the deal with these comedic relief retards? I'm beginning to think I made a mistake by helping them...

>>714031909
nailbombs are really good and protectorate is evil.

>>714031909
Nailbombs + RP + Protectorate needs to go down
They are too stupid to do it properly though

>>714031583
SMG + boxing gloves is a very funny mental image even if it is effective
some tier 1 ex-Biocorp operator with NODs and a plate carrier fumbling their reload because they're wearing fucking boxing gloves

things I wish were in UnderRail:

-Drivable Quad bikes (kinda like the jetskis) that make the map larger because you race through the rail tunnels with them
-procedurally generated lower cavern layouts
-you can fire your gun at anything, just to make sound or to attempt to detonate a mine
-most zone transitions eliminated
-taking the train isn't always safe fast travel, sometimes it gets attacked by a gang on quad bikes, initiating a dark moving underground railway fight
-more mystery dungeons
-joinable Ironheads and Lunatic factions

You did clear Fort Apogee, right?

>>714027513
if anyone has the family guy one I'd be very happy

Things wish were in Underrail:
-A decent magic system (not this aberration of D&D vancian magic and psionics)
-A reason to use more than one or two weapons types. Though I understand this is very difficult to achieve in an RPG without feeling like shit. (I love the idea of using a pistol, a grenade launcher, a shotgun as needed like in a shooter, but there's no reason to do so in an RPG)
-rocket launchers
-high tech rifles not just pistols (laser, acid, electric, etc)

Just fun toys I'd like to have not major gameplay changes btw.

>>714034183
yeah on my SMG dominating playthrough actually, just trying to test to see if the build had any limits at all

>>714034426
>not this aberration of D&D vancian magic and psionics
Name what exactly is wrong with the system without using memes. Vancian magic is based and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>714034426
things I wish were in underrail
-GOAT hex grid magic instead of squares
-way more character models and animations, like back to the wall on a corner for cover, PC outfit having more updates based on what you're wearing, more variety in NPC models, etc.
-more/better SFX

>>714034183
Yeah on my Psi run
Back when this shit worked
>>714034562
>Vancian magic is based and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Kill yourself

where do I get high quality rathound leather

>>714034847
>Back when this shit worked
Hmm?

>>713964426 (OP)
Bought the game for sale, its difficult but fun so far. Should i invest in both lockpicks and hacking?

>>714034847
>Kill yourself
Cmon man I was genuinely curious, you don't have to be this way.
>>714035028
An omni-discipline psi user was godlike before it got changed some years ago.

>>714035231
It still is. The only trouble is now having to huff psi and choose a loadout.
>>714035001
The augmented rathountd. Booth's shelf has a high quality one

>>714035028
Ever since 1.1.2.4 the dreadnoughts can no longer get hacked. Which was their strongest use.
>>714035231
>Cmon man I was genuinely curious, you don't have to be this way.
There's nothing to be curious about me being mad at someone that wants things to be worse and *somehow* is curious people dislike it.

>>714035374
>The augmented rathountd.
wouldn't that make me fail befriending the faceless?

>>713964426 (OP)
FUCK OFF PIPEWORKER
>>713964530
Yeah, especially considering you can still get some oddities for XP in Classic it kind of makes oddity XP redundant

>>714035374
>Booth's shelf has a high quality one
found just a 47 quality one there. with my supersteel I get a 128 quality, so 11% crit?

is that good enough?

>>713965069
Based "ladies plate armour" enjoyer
I also really like that if you get promoted to Corporal by the Protectorate, you can ask him to call you by that rank and he continues to do so for the rest of the game
>>713965183
He probably says that BECAUSE his own daughter is second in command

>>713965325
Get the JKK jacket nigga

>>713964426 (OP)
I recently started playing with a spear build and holy shit I am blocking so much damage
I hardly use

>>714034562
The problem is that this isn't proper vancian magic nor proper psionics, it has the worst of both plus extra issues
That said before you sperg I already said this is just fun thing that I'd like corrected, nothing major.
Anyway, here's my take
>memorization like vancian
>but you waste mana whenever you memorize for some reason, and if you try to not be a one-trick pony you get punished for it
>mana points like a regular psionics system
>but you have to reload mana points like they're guns
it's just really odd and out of place.
And don't "muh balance" at me, the current system is still overpowered, any powergamer always picks time magic, so it feels weird and out of place and it isn't balanced anyway.

I have never used Psi powers
What is the quick rundown on Psi?
Is it a good think to pair with a pistol or knife nigga build?

>>713967648
This game is worth playing for Expedition alone
Heavy Duty's new quests are shit but the weapons are quite fun and interesting

>>713968597
I like the miners and the lady who sells super steel out front
they're alright

>>714035494
Oh, that's actually news to me that could be done at all
>>714035723
Yeah
>>714035527
You have to not kill like three on dominating or something

>>713977357
>somebody even finished the game on dom without any items, including lockpicks, healing, etc. just some mandatory quest items + tnt for hathor.
what the fuck
is it possible to learn this autism?

>>714009876
Shotguns are great with high mobility
yeah its basically a shell-operated melee weapon but since all the ammo is common between shotguns you only really have to worry about autistically stocking a few different kinds of ammo
and getting the Shoddy Shotgun at the beginning is absolute kino; even if I'm not doing a shotgun build I always waste a few points on persuasion+stolen under pie and go for it

Have you done a Fusion Cannon run yet?

>>713994553
Its actually pretty fun
but it can become a chore if you make it a chore; if you accept that you won't always have the latest and greatest quality components on hand or have too low skill to use them it takes the stress off
if you are constantly thinking about how to get a slightly edge in your equipment you are going to drive yourself insane

>>714036014
time magic is the strongest shit ever and basically every power gamer picks it. Everything else is to taste, but basically a more annoying to use version of D&D magic. Can be very overpowered, but you have to keep reloading your mental energy with asthma inhalers after a few fights

>>714036932
cheat engine really helps if you're autistic and can't let that go

>>714005880
Playing this with an LMG really is something else
Playing it with a conlet knife build is hell on earth

>>714014848
None
unless you are a pipeworker

What jetski?
For me, its the devastator

>>714037238
it's either that or torpedo

>>714036867
never knew about this weapon existence.

This was was a real bitch all because I didn't have a feat that I didn't need for anything else in the game. (expose weakness)

>>714036014
- Temporal Manipulation is bonkers and pairs with basically every single non-psi build since its main benefits are all utility focused, especially Contraction (a second improved adrenaline shot on a separate cooldown) and Increment (reduce cooldown of everything). You can just leave WIL 3, only level up the bare minimum of the skill in order to meet spell learning requirements and it'll still be good, though if you're going knives or swords you'll probably get 5 WIL for Ripper anyways. Pure psi users meanwhile might not necessarily pick Temporal Manipulation due to spells costs, limited spell slots and cross-school penalty.
- Thought Control is CC god if your build has enough points to spare for 10 WIL in order to get Locus of Control. Damage wise it's a bit boring since all you'll be doing is mind bonk, and you'll need something else for robots.
- Psychokinesis and Metathermics are more damage focused and generally you want to go all in on WIL to kill shit quicker. Exception being high DEX unarmed builds with Psychokinesis using Force Emission.

Usually you don't want to slot more than two schools, since every slotted school after the first one increases psi costs by 10%. You also want INT for spell slots, usually at least 6 for Premeditation feat (one AP free spell cast), possibly 8 for Psycho-Neural Flexibility if you're going with two or more schools. Crafting is insanely useful for psi-focused builds since you can craft tac vests and headgear that reduces spell costs.

>>713988101
just do the Jamrock Shuffle and you'll be fine

Where does the player character come from, anyway?
I know they're a southerner but they really show up at SGS with no skills and Tanner is just like "yeah s/he's in"?
Its not like you're familiar with CORE CITY right off the bat, and the areas surrounding SGS are completely new to you

>>714037238
Aegis patroller, why spend money on a jet ski when you can get one for free after purging the pirates?

>>714034641
>-way more character models and animations, like back to the wall on a corner for cover, PC outfit having more updates based on what you're wearing, more variety in NPC models, etc.
This is what I wish as well
I know its suboptimal compared to using a fabric-covered vest or something but if I'm going full dodge and evasion I'll sometimes where a bright uncovered siphoner jumpsuit just to feel something

>>714036997
Okay, thanks
>>714037035
I will think about it if I run into trouble

>>714037601
Aegis is nice if you throw two decent engines on it and can go sonic speeds but its not very sexy or cool
and something being sexy or cool is what ought to define your build in this game

>>714037358
Neat, thans for the rundown
I'll consider going for TM in a knife build

>>714037458
The faaaaar South.
I make up a different backstory dependent on the build

>Barefist gigachad
Cave survivalist. Parents died extremely young trying to get somewhere with him. Doesn't even remember his own name. Ended up being named something reminiscent of Carnifex by people who witnessed him killing with just his hands. Picked it up because he may as well have. Joined SGS for a safe place to sleep.
>Psion
A miracle child born on an island in the waterways to a woman everyone thought was a witch. Really, she was a TM and TC Biocorp psientist who taught him a bunch of different shit she knew. His father was some passing PK and MT mad lad almost lunatic who thought she was some goddess he had to "honor." She disappeared to answer the call all psions are compelled to and left him drifting the waterways meeting a bunch of weird ass people. Eventually ended up in SGS and became the most powerful psion in existence.
>Genius Fusion Cannon Tincan
Junkyard native. Loved tinkering junk and shooting shit with his ma and pa. They died in a plague and Junkyard is a shithole, so he decided to join up with SGS.

>>713964426 (OP)
Are the DLC narratively incorporated into the base game story?
I want to try and finish the base game first, then maybe buy the DLC later, but i dont wanna do that if the DLC is baked into the middle of the first game's story because then I'll probably have to replay the game after finishing it the first time.

>>714039064
nope
the best you get is Six elaborating on the shit you saw

Need to do an energy weapon run again. I've heard that both guns you get from Heavy Duty are insanely broken.

>>714039210
And this was my Hemopsychosis build, which was another fun one.

>>714039210
This was my Hemopsychosis build, which was another fun one.

>>714039552
Why do this anyway? I never got the appeal of hemopsychosis

>>714040174
Because you cast with the health given by Last Stand, you can change your Psi slots on the fly and use whatever you want (don't even need an inhaler). It's effectively free damage against enemies. Even if you don't use it for that, Psychosis builds tend to drink up Psi Points like Dude and his brews, so it's nice to use it on a turn that have a low amount and your booster is on cooldown.

>>714040174
Helps conserve psi points and reserves and only takes an advanced health hypo to recover the health used.

>>714039552
perfect example of how psi builds are GODMEN tier and firearm pistols is rathound droppings

>>714039064
The Expedition works fairly stand-alone but there's a nice tie-in where you can present special items you found in The Expedition and an NPC will give you some hints about what they really are. It's really deep lore stuff only

>>714037458
>Where does the player character come from, anyway?
IIRC you get to "tell" your backstory in a paragraph somewhere in the game and AFAIK the only consistent theme is "far south". Although it's open ended if you're making stuff up or not, Player's choice, really.

>>714037358
>Temporal Manipulation is bonkers
it is and you forgot to mention Stasis, which has the utility to extend even single-turn buffs like Bullet Time to last two turns. With just Adrenaline Shot and 10 AP turn carryover, a non-TM user can have 85 AP (not including any rapid reloader proc) to use with Bullet Time buff. With TM fully used, it's 185 AP, and feats can push that even farther.

>>714037334
I'll never understand why a build that can use expose weakness doesn't take expose weakness. It's such a gimme. You could have been expose weakness -> tele punch deleting all game

>>714035143
Yeah I'd recommend that for your first run so you can see/access more stuff. Just keep in mind the most you'll need is ~120 or so in each, and you can get like +35 bonus to each from an Oculus item (among other items).

>>714035143
yeah but you only need like 90 effective skill in either of them, ever, for 95% of things (including lockpick/hacking tool bonuses)

>>714043171
My tele punches were already doing that without the feat with the proxy besides the few exceptions like those bulky flamethrower bots and the service bots from the DLC.

>>714043634
yeah, exactly, it OHKOs those bots.

>>713965325
welcome to the underrail kid

>normal is easy but comfy once get you into the game
>dominating is just unfunny stat bloat but has the stuff like better enemy's AI and abilities
imagine if Styg added custom difficulty setting

>>714044613
I'd probably just need HP tuned down a bit and maybe sell % upped slightly from the "base" dominating experience

>>714044613
Get gud, scrub

>>714044613
there's nothing BS about dominating other than the precision bloat negating the value of dodge/evasion

the extra enemies, higher levels, 30% more HP/stats, etc. all just help equalize the world against the power of the PC

>>714045725
Is dominating easier if you tincan?

>>714045931
Actually it's probably the opposite. I find that if you're a typical tincan, you're just instant food for anything that doesn't deal primarily mechanical damage or has armor-piercing tools, uses crippling strike, etc. Which is a hell of a lot of stuff actually.

>>714045931
>>714046068
It depends.
I find the most survivable builds are high con and mobile ones. Tincans are pretty great until you get up against certain enemies, like the aforementioned crippling strike ass faggots

>>714045931
example Normal build:
Got MAD in his attributes + Metal armor + has Sprint + chugs health stims after taking damage + is okay with spending a bunch of action points to reach an enemy and assault rifle burst although it exposes him for a lot of damage taken

example Dominating build:
Lifting Belt 5% + conditioning 15% + ancient rathound 10% + aegis 15% + morphine 50% = 95% DR with low armor penalty, inherently mobile, plays to minimize taking damage and optimized to crumple everything with a sledgehammer in a few turns.

>>714044613
Anon there is a difficulty between normal and dominating.

>>714046703
Like, both high con and mobility in one build?

>>714047583
Most metal armor builds just run 6 AGI so you can take Sprint (MP gain unaffected by armor load).

>>714047583
Yes.
I did this with the previous version of my above spear woman. The thing is I sacrificed power for survivability I didn't really take advantage of. Now, I win by overwhelming firepower and mobility with 5 con

>>714048187
>>714048039
Interesting, I will try and play around with this for a bit and see what takes
Thanks anond

>>714048337
Another "mobile tin can" is armor sloping+2 with super steel. IIRC can get it under 25% armor penalty.

>>713974436
Pretty sure Styg confirmed 2 is set in the northern part of Underrail but frankly I do not remember.

>>714023005
Uuuuh is this real?
She sells things, that's why. She doesn't use it.

>>714049645
>She sells things
No she doesn't.

>>714027196
I love games that let you set yourself on fire for reasons other than suicide.

>>714023331
>>714023420
Styg is an orthodox christian, he wouldnt add a tranny or a femboy

>>714026817
For real?

>>714050170
do crawlers actually get the scared debuff if you are on fire?

>>714051223
No, it just prevents them from ambushing you.

Trying DOMINATING psi monk build. Wish me luck

>>714024941
Does that mean its good or bad?

>>714051973
it's fucking weird

I've played through the game twice and never met Phreak.

>>714051992
I think his writing is good. Same with Gorsky, Ladelman, and some others.

>>714052041
Time to just read the wiki then..? Since it doesn't seem like you're reaching bruteforceman naturally

>>714052041
He’s far from essential. Not sure why he exists actually.

>>714052073
phreak is like a weird autists idea of a crazy genius guy
the ones that aren't alcoholics

>>714052245
phreak is actually pretty damn similar to the real life phreaker

>>714052073
Gorsky, Ezra, Ladelman, Vivian until she's dead, Phreak, Expedition mutie camp, Oculus peeps (Constantine and Twitch get a dialogue read through every time I unlock the place), pretty much everybody in SGS, Todd

>>714052195
Yeah, I don't get why anyone would want to skip the Oligarch questline and miss out on getting a free house.

>>714052387
qrd please, is this some history i'm unaware of?

>>714052549
Yeah, this.

>>714052895
John Thomas Draper

>>714052895
nigga
is this your first day here?

>>714053328
I want my penis cleaned by Sanae. Speaking in a videogame sense of course

>>714053313
Damn, Phreak even looks like him in the illustration

>>714053313
Ok, so what did he do

>>714053719
look it up

>>714053982
Styg is interested in some strange things it seems, especially as a Serbian man. This is something I would have expected from Vince D. Weller's autism in Age of Decadence and Colony Ship.

>>714054271
Nah Underrail has loads of cyberpunk stuff in it.

>>714054332
Isn't that mostly present in Hexago. I guess Coretech has some heavy cyberpunk theming, but otherwise the setting is relatively low tech, the age of corps having passed.

>>713988101
Why did they have to hide oddities in garbage cans anyway
They could be in places that are off the beaten path but still prominent

Instead you have to be perpetually paranoid that you're short one oddity because you missed a cupboard
>just loot them all lmao
You missed one

Who the fuck is brian? and why is he everywhere in underrail?
Is UnderRail 2: Infusion finally going to reveal the truth behind this omnipresent mystery??

>>714054573
>You missed one
and my favorite are all the lootable locations that don't show up when you press tab. Like the oddity in the corner in Foundry

>>714003849
Look up a build and just follow it.

>>714054478
>but otherwise the setting is relatively low tech
With computer hacking, fusion batteries, stealth generators, force fields, mech suits and power armor, energy weapons, and the like, right? The South Underrail is kind of a wild west since the big companies that founded it fell apart but everywhere else is a cyberpunk dystopia.

>>714054627
My PC, a spear and riotshieldman is named Brian
It's literally him

>>714056124
>spear and riotshieldman
but that's just a meme

>>714054791
>but everywhere else is a cyberpunk dystopia
I hope not. Much of the appeal of Underrail is its setting and atmosphere, the decay, the ruins, the underground living and relatively primitive lifestyle coupled with the juxtaposition of extremely rich tech stuff is fun, especially seen with Expedition. Having the rest of the Underrail just be cyberpunk would be a disservice to the setting as a whole.

>>714056896
The average city up north is like Core City. The South is way underdeveloped, there's a reason protectorate guys all think everyone down south are hicks.

>>714056968
Which is what makes things fun and fascinating. Bring on the misery, bring on the poverty. Give me Junkyard x100

>>714057095
South being a shithole is also better from a game perspective. The north doesn't have bandits and wildlife and lunatics and cannibals and so on everywhere. You can't explore and find enemies or abandoned bases or things like that because there aren't any. It's a better place to live but it's a worse setting for a game.

>>714057303
>It's a better place to live
I'd rather live in SGS than big places like Core City or the Foundry. The smaller settlements in the south are downright comfy. Fuck the north, and fuck the protectorate. THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN.

A game in the north would only work if it was some company or city management game or something.

>>714057459
Yeah, dominating!!

>>714057303
>>714057490
This. North doesn't even have mutants, it's so sterile up there it seems. Everyone speaks all fancy, there's no bloodsports either? North Underrail should be the Akavir of the Underrail universe. We hear, but we never see.

A game in Hexagon could probably work, even though its up north Seeger says it isn't under Protectorate rule and that its a pretty dangerous place to live at with there being cyborg muggers and shit.

>>713964530
oddity is more soulful

>>713965428
void bullshit is more common up north

telekinetic grounding is great
it makes crawlers completely trivial

>>714051973
When it was first added, I felt that the dialogue was extremely poorly written. A couple years later I went through it again, and it's much better than its initial state. Probably went through several copyediting/proofreading passes to make it less incomprehensible with Phreak's already weird vocabulary.

I tried to play this game a couple years ago and got completely filtered. Can someone please recommend a braindead build that even a monkey couldn't possibly fuck up

>>714059298
Shotguns/Grenade launcher on normal.

>>714059298
Assault rifle tin can with time manipulation

>>714059298
LMGs were added as a retard-proof build

>>714052195
Gives you a way to get to the acid hunters without sucking oligarch cock

Styg hates mods because he doesn't want people making his game better.

>>714059338
>>714059436
>>714059492
Thanks, I will try my best

>>714059887
he's afraid of people making his game better, because he knows deep down he's a pretty underwhelming coder

>>714059681
Free house though!

>>714015805
Lol eat shit troon

>>714027648
No cunt the story is cool

>>714059681
I am the Invictus! I suck no one’s rod

>>714059338
Do not do shotguns!
t. dropped a shotgun build after 150 hours

>>714052195
>>714059681
More to the point, he's there in case you somehow fuck up and aggro the oligarchs. Before he was added you could softlock the game if you attacked them before the cube was stolen. Now you can kill every single person in Core City and still complete the game no problem.

>>714062307
Aaah that makes sense

>>714062307
He's even easier to aggro tho

>>714061390
Surprised you can talk with pipe in your throat

>>714062509
You can finish his missions even if he's dead.

>>714036424
yeah, you're probably already familiar with the pants i mean basics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8gf319go5E

>>714049149
He's said several times it's specifically not set in the north. They don't have the resources to make it as cool as they want, because a lot is going to developing the new engine.

>>714063065
Good. Glad to hear it. Let’s hope it never goes there.

>>714054271
yes, though phreak was written by yogi, not styg

>>714057095
>Bring on the misery
you're in luck!

>>714063434
Excellent.

>>714052763
So is Phreak a merchant or not?

>>714063065
Where is it set anyway? East? West? Further South?

>>714063628
No confirmation yet.

>>714063758
Damn. I saw a tweet screenshot that mentioned some of the environment art was Alien Prometheus inspired at least.

>>714063513
He sells stuff, if that's what you're asking

>>714063989
Is the stuff worth the house?

>>714064149
no, but you can get both. just hang out with phreak then go complete quests for the oligarch.

>>714064256
Phreak gets fucked over in most oligarch paths tho

>>714064256
Thanks. Can I fully complete his questline?

>>714064376
yes.
>>714064307
can do both phreak's quests and get the house from the oligarchs