Thread 713970221

On Wednesday July 2nd 8am CET we are going to promote #StopKillingGames on Twitter to get it trending. Get ready

>>713970221 (OP)
We should kill Mario because he is a shxtalian

>>713970282
I will leave that to shitendo, they are doing a pretty good job at raping the old and rotten plumbers corpse already.

>>713970221 (OP)
>using Mario
>a game made by the one company without this kind of drm
You people are so ridiculously dishonest that it hurts.

>>713969927
So you want the state to force the publisher to transfer the server binaries into public domain or something similar on a date known in advance.
Nevermind that the initiative already states that there should be no IP changes.
This is dishonesty/stupidity, on top of limiting the free market. Do you see yet why you're actually commies?

what would be your go to arguments to convince a non gaming relative to sign the petition?

>>713970282
ok but what the fuck is happening in pastaland? Are they having difficulties signing the petition? lol

#KeepKillingGames so /v/irgins have to go get lives

>>713970424
False.
Look up Mario 100

Over 9,000 for today so far.

So you want the state to force the publisher to transfer the server binaries into public domain or something similar on a date known in advance.
Nevermind that the initiative already states somewhere that there should be no IP changes.
This is dishonesty/stupidity, on top of limiting the free market. Do you see yet why you're actually commies?

>>713970446
WE DON'T FUCKING PLAY VIDEOGAMES, every thread someone asks this and receive the response and then its promptly forgotten the next one

They are called Europoors for a reason.

Just let them have their gay little petition, hiding inside away from the mass invasion of black as night gorilla niggers directly from africa and islamofascist rape rats is all they can do.

>>713970569
Yes

>>713970569
Yes.

>>713970446
Italians don't care much about shit that happens on the internet.

>>713970631
also the few that play them its Fifa and for Fifa players its just reality that the game stop existing after a year (even if its still on)

>>713970221 (OP)
You can spam this image on Twitter on July 2nd

>>713970631
I never saw those replies.
And you are gonna get more of these questions in the future.

>>713970569
Because the industry can make their case when it goes through the process, you don't have to bootlick so hard.

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>>713970528
>john romero if he was an actual hack grifter and a furry pedo

>>713970743
>everyone who disagrees with me is evil
>if you don't sign the petition you are evil
>the only reason anyone would ever not sign the petition is because they are evil

>>713970569
The publisher can still offer server binaries for download without relinquishing their IP rights over those binaries.
They offer the game client binaries for download without relinquishing their IP rights over *those* binaries as well, after all.

>>713970785
No, because you are indian

>>713970676
nah if its about free stuff or politics they do, it's just in italian, plenty of online petitions reached the threshold here

>>713970569
good morning sir

>>713970785
>I make up scenarios in my head and get mad about it despite not being personally involved in them

>>713970814
>if you disagree with me you are brown

>>713970221 (OP)
disingenuous name, but Start Preserving Games doesn't have that oomph

>>713970743
Their "case" will say the exact same: "g*mers don't understand intellectually property laws, but no surprises there".

>>713970785
>everyone who disagrees with me is evil
>if you don't sign the petition you are evil
that's right

>>713970848
>anyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill from india

>>713970569
Communism is a fundamentally evil ideology, but it's a HELL of a lot realer than demoncracy, I'll take a good and honest commietard in spirit here and there over whatever the gay shit is we have now any day of the week, especially in this case.

You commie gamer manbabies should be slaughtered

>>713970881
EU Gigachad just told you that they are moving 20 families of at least 4 african niggers each into your small town. Is he still based?

>>713970221 (OP)
What does Mario have to do with that?

>>713970569
>you're actually commies
and?

>>713970912
>t. insecure low t incel

>>713970785
Being a deceiving cunt that degrades themselves and lies to others for the sake of multi-billon dollar companies makes you evil, yes. You are what you do

>>713970785
The definition of evil is placing one's personal gains above everyone else's wellbeing.
So- yes.

If you're against this ECI and against the EU evaluating the balance between consumer rights and businesses' interests, and are against both being given fair opportunity to plead their case as such, then you are either an industry plant operating in your employer's direct interests for monetary gain - i.e. are evil.
Or you are an idiot that actually doesn't understand how these ECIs work.

Pick.

>>713970569
>Do you see yet why you're actually commies?
Keep saying shit like this and you'll turn /v/ into socialists.

>oh Anon there won't be any console exclusives!
>and there won't be any microtransactions! in fact all games would be free!
>corporate meddling would be a thing of the past and workers would be in charge!
This is dangerous thinking. We need to keep /v/ away from class analysis and kept firmly rooted in identity politics obsession.

>>713970947
>everyone who disagrees with me is a lying cunt
>>713970950
>you won't sign my petition, that makes you evil

>>713970872
Then it should be an easy win for them. Still, they don't need grunts defending them tooth and nail on a videogame shitposting imageboard.

>>713970924
i don't hate immigrants, i have plenty of tunisian, morrocans and algerian friends and one from nigeria

>>713970221 (OP)
i do not remember more gay shilled "movement" than this, maybe blm?
anyway kindly kill yourself and stop shilling political shitter.com shit

>>713970886
There's certainly a good possibility of that in these thread

>Mortal Kombat Armageddon servers are shut down
>the European Union won't force them back up
It's over. Hyperborea is dead. Jack Thompson won.

>>713970987
Correct.

>>713970912
>actual incel talk

>>713970987
>everyone who disagrees with me is a lying cunt
No, but you are

>>713970912
Why is Thor contently sniffing the fumes of his own piss from a glass?
Or is that just a furry thing?

>/v/ has become commie central
nothing new under the sun

>>713970886
yes because only a low iq subhuman that has been paid off would disagree with this campaign

Europoor value the things they buy much more than us Amerifats, because they are extremely poor.

Reminder that in most of europe the EFFECTIVE tax rate is near 50%, after income, vat, regional taxes, and etc.

Combined with rather low wages, this means that Europoors have VERY low spending power compared to us golems. We can just buy random shit all the time and we don't care, throwing money away on nonsense. A europoor must carefully analyze every purchase he makes for maximum benefit both short term and long term, so it is understandable that he would be extremely angry if he loses access to something he thinks he owns a couple years down the line.

You would never understand the mentality until you experience life as a europoor, where 50 euros (I don't even have the symbol on my keyboard, that is how irrelevant they are) is a make or break amount of money.

>>713970446
I just fucking hate the EU. Also, people here don't really care much

>600,000 nerds soloed by one guy's 15 minute video
>still crying about it a year later

>>713970886
That's correct, Rajeesh. Digital ownership only concerns civilized nations, you don't need to worry. You'll be allowed to lick those corpo boots for a very long time in your shithole Brownistan.
Everyone in this thread who's against SGK is a brown shill. Every single one.
Will you post hand, jeet-kun? Of course you won't.

>>713971136
Every free market is regulated, and there are good reasons for that

>>713970796
Those still have EULAs, and publishers _are_ alive.
Gabe snorts all the coke in the world, Valve and Steam disappear, you're downloading the old CS dedicated server from a torrent, and you're pretty much a vaporware pirate in my understanding, even if you had a legitimate copy once. (I'd love to be corrected on this).
The petition aims to have all games have a contingency plan to be released into this vaporware state if the publisher dies. Do you see how this is limiting? Do you see how a publisher can be attacked to take over their game (e.g. TF2 bot situation)? There will be cheaters everywhere, is that still "Functionally Playable State"? Seriously, watch/read summary of PirateSoftware's videos, he makes a few good points.

>>713971109
>how dare you have a contrary opinion in my thread! Where is the downvote button?! How can I keep other people from seeing this comment??? MODS??
maybe you should go back? the thing about 4chan is that you need to be able to swim in the sea of piss without the sting in your eyes or the smell bothering you, but you can't do it

you lack grace, humor, and wit

that is why your "obvious win" petition struggles so bad, because you retards want to fight with everyone about it, when all you need to do is just exist and offer an open hand of friendship

The filthy mongrels at big gaming companies shall know our wrath alhamdullilah

>>713971013
>consumer rights advocacy is politca---
Oh wait, it is. Enjoy eating corpo swill then, my good goy.

>>713971257
>FUCK BROWN PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY SHITJEETS
>damn why is our petition struggling?

>>713971168
Depends on which country you're talking about. "Europe" is comprised of many different countries that vary is wealth and consumer culture. It's not like America that's one nation split into states

>>713971168
>Combined with rather low wages, this means that Europoors have VERY low spending power compared to us golems.

As someone actually from the EU: this is bunk. I can leisurely buy, i.e. debit - paid in advance in full, a new "60 4K OLED living room TV set every month and it would still not burn a hole in my pocket. And I make average wage.

>>713970221 (OP)
Based. I will promote it to my parents too.

>>713970221 (OP)
Just signed the initiative
SO LONG JUDAS

if your petition was a good idea, we wouldn't be having these threads :)

>>713970443
That some day his expensive "smart" whatever will suddenly stop working because the manufacturer killed the login server.
My tech illiterate boomer parents have a samsung tv that for some pants on head reason requires a fucking account to use. It's only a matter of time before samsung realizes what the gaming industry is getting away with and tries to copy it by killing the auth server, rendering the tv unusable.

>>713971327
Brown streetshitters can't sign it anyway, why should we care to play nice with them?

>>713971379
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713971304
yes it literally is?

>>713971379
SO LONG JUDAS

>Mutt golem are fine with "Xou will own nothing and Xou will be happy!" plan
Sad.

>Thor writing a script to parse all the petition signatures and send them to Nintendo's piracy tipline
>all of them get Gary Bowsered

>>713971371
I make $10,000 a month. You are very poor compared to me.

Europoor, you might say.

>>713971379
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713971404
>People look at pic related and think it's fine
Grim.

>>713971327
Correct. Browns like (You) can't vote anyway.

>>713970569
>Owning is communism
You must be american or from Babel Media.

>>713970676
It's more that the further west you go into Europe the more people take responsibility for their own actions and learn from their mistakes.

Fake outrage campaign, ignore.

>>713971404
why you need to own something, you can perfectly go on with life without owning anything

>>713970796
>The publisher can still offer server binaries for download without relinquishing their IP rights over those binaries.
Except they can't. Doing so would alter their rights over that property and ultimately affect how they can defend how they're used.

>>713971527
this

>>713970829
What the fuck are you talking about? Italy has missed badly a referendum on worker rights.
Abstentionism is a chronic italian disease.

>>713970424
SUPER MARIO BROS 35, FAGGOT, CAN YOU PLAY IT?
Jesus, tendies are so dishonest as always.

>>713971278
Piracy in the EU is a case of a civil suit. You can also only sue for provable damages in lost sales. Punitive damages are not a thing in the EU. So if the rightsholders are gone, then even if it would be classified as piracy to pull in that material via a torrent, there would a) be no-one capable of bringing a case and b) there'd be no provable damages in lost sales, since the product is not for sale anymore.

>>713971460
Yeah but I have a fully paid off house and land while you're stuck paying $3000 a month to rent some shitty apt like the cuck you are.
Do you leave the apt in shame while your whore of a wife is shagging the landlord or do you prefer to stay and watch?

>>713971486
I take responsability for letting the industry go so bad, which is why I signed it.

>>713971168
>meanwhile, half of the us population lives paycheck to paycheck
Why would you larp as a burger of all things.

>>713971589
I kinda blame the citizenship thing slipped in there ngl
But yeah, people don't care that much about voting here

>>713971589
i'm specifically talking about online petitions, also in the referendum vote abstention = no vote, it's not that difficult to understand

>>713970569
>>713971136
I'll bite your bait. We could have virtually infinite copies of any software, but there are fags deliberately restricting what a computer can do through always-online / DRM mechanics. I don't like it when some faggot decides he's going to artificially change the nature of infinitely-reproducible software. Also, there are STATE level legal protections that prevent people from copying software infinitely. So the state is responsible for fixing at least a subset of the problem they created in the first place.

>>713971570
>Doing so would alter their rights over that property and ultimately affect how they can defend how they're used.
ID released the source code for DOOM decades ago and is still selling old and new DOOM games just fine, offering server binaries does not mean giving away the IP.

>>713971542
Why don't you go live in the woods then faggot

>>713971617
Detecting a lot of projection in this post.

The fact is the petition is a european thing, because only europoors are poor enough to care about it.

>>713971589
>he actually supported that referendum that would have actually killed the italian economy even more
just say you hate italy at that point

Jeets larping as Amerifags in this thread is the funniest thing ever. The brown dog thinks $120k is a lot in places like LA.
Stop shitting on the streets and then you can talk about consumer rights.

>>713971013
Okay, "anon"

>If Valve pulls the plug for TF2 official servers, the game can still run and be played because community servers
>Blizzard killed Overwatch entirely and replaced it with Overwatch 2 without player consent.
It's pretty black and white to me which is a better system.

>>713971662
I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
And I'd gladly stand up
Next to you and defend her still today
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God bless the USA

>b-but this will kill live se-
Good.
>b-but many games won't release in Eur-
More games to pirate for free.

STOP KILLING GAMES
FUCK THOR UNTIL HE GETS AIDS
FUCK CANADA

>>713971823
>the USA
more like the land of the cucks who enjoys getting fucked, god i hate americans

>>713971379
It's comical how his reputation plummeted at first not because of the whole SKG drama but because of him being a pussy in a WoW raid.

>damn xisters our petition is stalled what should we do?
>what if we went on 4chan and called them nazis and chuds again?

>>713970221 (OP)
From what I've seen so far, StopKillingGames movement is not fighting to make changes like
>let's persuade publishers to never remove their games from digital stores, maybe people will buy them 6-7, 15 years from now
but instead they fight for keeping the multiplayer servers online, for games that have 5 active players. Yeah, fuck that.

>>713971678
There is no problem because there is no danger involved.
When your Tesla locks your windows and burns your alive because of Indian software engineering or whatever, any state has a reason to be concerned. When you cannot play your vidya juegos, you're just being a whiny bitch.

>>713971542
You can also go no with life while owning things. "Owning" implies things that can't be taken from you. Why would you not want that?

>>713971168
The taxes are so high because we can go to ospital and to school for free? Even the insulin is affordable.
Amerimutts die because they cannot buy insulin, and become fat because the unhealty food is much cheaper. Just to say a few things.

This is the "greatest country" in the world. A coutry that has all the resources to become much better than Europe, yet people there still have to get in debt for life just to study.

>>713971603
Tenks :3

>>713971945
>Owning" implies things that can't be taken from you
they can though?

>>713971909
I am OUTRAGED!
but be sure to use my affiliate link to buy this stuff!!!

>>713971460
Spending power is defined by what you have available freely for spending.
Not by your gross monthly income.

How much of that $ 10,000 is being set aside for taxes, medical bills, insurances, retirement fund, etc?
How much do you have left after all that?
On a good month; and a bad month?

>>713970221 (OP)
REEEEE!! RELEASE THE SZECHUAN SERVER CODE!!! I'M PICKLE ROSS!!!

>>713970796
But what about non-binaries?

You know what is funny? Ubisoft is getting sued even in the USA because of The Crew fuckup. No wonder there are people even from the USA that support this.

>>713970569
>wow vanilla through wotlk servers are public domain
>because of this random spergs can create a better game than blizzard with their 700 employees ever could
If thats the cost of being a commie then sign me the fuck up.

>>713972031
>he is angry some poor youtuber is getting a little bit of cash
genuinely mental illness

>>713971912
Funny how that works. It really makes you wonder how he managed to keep up the persona up until then and why the mask fell off for something as retarded as hardcore wow.

>>713972013
Yes anon, everything can be taken from you if you're being pedantic enough. But we're talking about the general concept of ownership in a society. Why would you not want to own your possessions if you could?

>>713971929
You should stop looking at videos made by anti-skg shills then. If you had bothered skimming the official FAQ you'd know whatever video you watched was full of lies, disinfo and half truths.

>>713971956
You get free stuff because we (the USA) subsidized your defense for the last 80 years.

Say thank you, Europoor.

>>713971431
>Thor writing any kind of code that actually works
Guess all those anons are safe then; because that's never happening.

>>713972080
>getting angry somebody pointed out monetized outrage
is that your channel you tubby slob?

>>713972084
Why would you want to own your possessions if you could? You can use them anyway, they are just not yours

Hitler should have won yeah

>>713972064
Yeah, I dunno about that one, especially in the US. I remember reading a bit of the us lawsuit and it's not exactly well written, researched or argumented.

>>713971956
Wealthy europeans do not use public hospitals or schools.

Why do you think that is?

>>713972064
>No wonder there are people even from the USA
GAH! Fucking Euros always getting shit wrong about Americans.
1. Yeah you're a big enough market if shit happens over there it happens over here so OF course we're fucking invested you troglodyte.
2. Do NOT underestimate the power of American's ability to fuck with people. If you want to appeal to an American you can try logic, but you'll get a visceral reaction if you can appeal to their ire. Frame something as a fight (FUCK THOR) and they'll be more than glad to help out.

>>713972154
no, it's just weird how you get angry that someone is getting money for their work, maybe this thread is really filled with commies like some retards are claiming

>>713971570
You are an idiot that lacks the brainpower to understand how IP works.
If a rightsholder chooses to distribute a work freely, that does not relinquish their exclusive distribution rights over the IP or any rights they may have over it.

>>713972175
Hitler would've supported Stop Killing Videogames. So would Stalin. So would Washington.

>>713972064
Credible source or bullshit. Americans don't have consumer rights, and there's no way jewbis eula doesn't say they can't be sued.

>>713971617
It isn't 3k and even if it was I could afford it. I can also afford air conditioning.

>>713971956
to be fair the people who has money just go to the private sector as the public sectors is notoriously shit nowadays, at least in my country

>>713972158
>Why would you want to own your possessions if you could? You can use them anyway, they are just not yours
Look what thread you're posting this in. Does the subject not clue you in as to why ownership is preferable to being at the mercy of others?

>Stop killing games
You never owned the games in the first place dumbos, all you have is a license to rent them.

>>713972291
their property, their decision, just don't "buy" or rent the shit you scared they can take away

>>713972252
>It is in the interest of the nation to keep art alive
>The working class' leisure cannot be taken away by the bourgeois
>Liberty dictates that people can and should choose whether or not to partake in their leisure
Pretty much.

>>713972325
And now we are working changing that.
Thanks for the support.

>>713972325
FUCK you Thor. Get out of here you actual homosexual. Go get AIDS you bitch. NONE of us like this license bullshit. Go to hell you fucking mulatto cunt.

>>713972342
Which is why it's preferable to own a thing. Thanks for demonstrating

>>713972241
>getting money for their work
>affiliate links
LOL

>>713972175
Hiter's so overrated on the internet, even if you agree with him.
>created a world war, that killed many of the "good guys".
>brought Germany's economy back up, only for it to be subjected by the west/Soviet Union for decades.
>Now Germany has a bunch of draconian laws about Nazism/fascism.
>holocaust/camps/whatever you want to call it, put so much money away from fighting a war on two fronts.
>helped created UN, Nato, and Israel with all he did.
Wow what a guy. What an inspiration, his legacy is ruining his own side. There was fascist all over the world, and people who agreed with him like Henry Ford. Now you have a nigger rapper who support him.

Meanwhile Russians still suck Stalin's dick/support his policies.

>>713970221 (OP)
Another anti-semitic thread, mods do your h*cking job.

>>713971705
>ID released the source code for DOOM decades ago and is still selling old and new DOOM games just fine, offering server binaries does not mean giving away the IP.
Anon, the source code and doom itself ie doom guy, imps, pinky icon of sin etc etc are wholly different things. They're not one big property.

Why is it that the only arguments for skg come from either a place of ignorance or dishonesty?

>>713972158
>why would you want to own the house you bought
I see the shills have taking up spewing actual nonsense as a means of shitting up the threads.

>>713972325
that is why this petition exist, to remove the dumb license system and move to a "you buy you own it forever" one, its time to kill licenses entirely (i hope they also kill also EULAs)

>>713971663
The left was vile to use the worker rights as a trap to vote the citizenship trash. Also it was the first time the quorums were independent from each other, so it's possible that many didn't know.

Anyway, I don't think people would have voted regardless.

>>713971739
The referendum was to partially *get back* some rigths there were before.
Ironically it was the left removing those rights, causing a huge increase in precariousness.

>>713970221 (OP)
>63%
hahaha you LOST you LOST so hard hahaha. You idiots never accomplish anything xD

>>713972252
All the people you listed and many more would consider any video game culture to be extremely indolent and cancerous to a healthy nation. Stalin would absolutely have thrown gamers in work camps if such an activity existed at that time - he threw gamblers and drunks in labor camps, which is about as close as it gets.

>>713972325
>never owned
But I do. Games are products and not services here in the EU. No eula/tos will ever override EU law.

>>713971168
this. take the average gross salary of a senior software engineer, a well-paid white collar job.
>Poor euro countries (Greece, Romania): $30K
>Average euro countries (France, Germany): $50K
>Rich euro countries (Switzerland, Norway): $80K
meanwhile across the ocean
>USA as a whole: $100K
>USA, Bay Area: $250K
combine that with much heavier taxes and no such thing as tax deductibles and the average European has far less disposable income than his American counterpart.
also the gap has only widened in recent years and will continue to do so. Western Europe is slipping into 2nd world territory.

>>713972325
>You never owned the games in the first place dumbos
Fucking says you. Also, that's a retarded argument regardless
>I want to stop games from dying
>oh wait I only bought a license
>then I guess it's A-Okay to kill games
Who do you think you're convincing with this dumb shit?

>>713972376
>>713972401
>>713972470

You will never get this passed, just letting you know. Your e-celebs will have you on to another agenda soon and the cycle will repeat.

>>713972492
>causing a huge increase in precariousness
if it wasn't for the job act we would have still 10%+ unemployment, having an agile labour market is mandatory in 2025, you can get away with 1960 FIAT anymore, it would just collapse

>>713972431
>Hiter's so overrated
take that shit back, how could you?
>>713972450
l o l
>>713972456
>Why is it that the only arguments for skg come from either a place of ignorance or dishonesty?
FUCK YOU YOU HONKY ASS BITCH
>>713972539
blow me, fag

>>713972456
>Why is it that the only arguments for skg come from either a place of ignorance or dishonesty?

A state of delusion is required to believe that the goals of the petition are possible.

They are using examples of games with zero players that were not commercially successful in the first place as their 'success stories'.

>>713972539
>It's afraid

>>713972539
You don't need to be so against it if you think it will never pass.

>>713971635
Big brands' (e.g. Sony, LG) OLED top segment at living room sizes goes at a non-trivial 2500-3500 EUR price-range though.
That's quite a lot of freely disposable income to throw away every month. Esp. if you consider that it doesn't burn a hole in the pocket yet - i.e. there's still comfortably more freely disposable income left.

Keep in mind also: Europe buys debit, not credit. They don't pay downpayments. They pay in-full, in advance.

>>713972564
If the whole practice is too hard to implement, why did they bother for these games that have 0 players?

>>713972539
>give up you lost
>give up i said
>FUCKING GIVE UP IT'S POINTLESS
>WHY DON'T YOU GIVE UP AAAAAAHHHHHHHH
>frothing at the mouth intensifies...

>>713970221 (OP)
Why Wednesday???

>>713972509
who is this budget juiceica

>>713971931
The problem is that you don't really own something you bought. I want to fully own my tesla, computer, and my video games. I especially want to fully own it if it's infinitely reproducible. Why the fuck would I tolerate anything else, even if it's in an insignificant domain? Would you let some indian streetshitter walk into your house, borrow one of your bowls and take a shit in it if he promised to wash it after?

>>713972456
Good example actually.
Their source codes are GPL (aka commie license). One can play FreeDoom (a free asset flip with the same code). But no one does, probably. Has iD/Bethesda ever gone after people pirating Doom/Quake?I'm not aware of it.

>>713972687
The Adams Family is really popular here in the EU.

>>713970221 (OP)
Nah, fuck you.

>>713972637
IDK maybe you retarded faggots should ask those companies for some feedback, instead of trying to look for a 'gotcha!' moment on 4chan from a guy who has 15 tabs of gross cartoon porn open.

>>713970446
The threshold is highly unrealistic because Italy is a country of old people. And most of the young ones either don't know or care.

>>713972724
You know what a source port is and what the majority of modern doom runs on, right?

>>713971929
retard

>>713972564
>A state of delusion is required to believe that the goals of the petition are possible.
Why would it not be possible?

>>713970569
No they don't. Eurocucks only know how to whine to Daddy Government to force people to do things against their will. No lower form of life exists.

>>713972517
I fucking hate AT gear shift.

>>713972031
>mad at capitalism
kys commie

>>713972689
>who is this budget juiceica
probably AI, but this is a good example of how to seek petition signatures

arguing with people on the internet who want to make you mad is a losing strategy, every time

>>713972039
There are special provisions for those, Carlos.

>>713972539
rashit you bloody benchod you have to needful and be less easy!!!

This is not a lawdraft in any way, shape or form. It's a petition to get the EU to actually LOOk at what the gaming industry has been doing for a while and start enforcing legislation that's already there.

>>713970881
>DUDE the EU is so hecking BASED!!! I can't wait to die for the jews so a nigger can move into my home!!!

>>713970221 (OP)
Why use mario when there are 0 live service games with him or games that can no longer be played inb4 le mario 35

>>713972724
>Has iD/Bethesda ever gone after people pirating Doom/Quake?I'm not aware of it.
Not directly but the Vimm's takedown everyone blamed Nintendo for had the ESA take down a solid chunk of games from various including Doom

Postin my meme one more time before going out.

>>713972608
honestly i have seen in real time my family change from a debit card system to a credit one (i live in the EU) and its simply amazing, if you can pay it every month you can just expand your consumption without any downside by sending debt to the next month indefinitely

>>713972256
>Credible source or bullshit.
The case brief for Ubisoft's motion to dismiss was posted by an anon in one of the earlier threads the past two days that ended up reaching archived status. You can look it up.

It's true.
The plaintiffs don't stand a ghost of a chance. But it's true.

>>713972608
>bragging that he doesn't have access to infinite capital
>bragging that he spends his own money to buy things
EuroPOOR

The faggots who are against SKG make NO fucking sense.
1. Force devs to keep a game going forever.
>no, that was never said, that's bullshit
2. the government fucking with companies more
>oh so take that reductively and think about removing other laws because it's just the government fucking with you. Stealing is legal now, in this scenario, hey just deal with it yourself when someone steals your car- you wouldn't want the government involved would you?
3. It's pointless / it will never work.
> It's a petition to get it to the government to make them work with lawyers and game companies to make a version that DOES work you disingenuous faggot

>>713972456
>Why is it that the only arguments for skg come from either a place of ignorance or dishonesty?
What, like claiming devs would have to keep their game maintained forever? Or that devs would have to give up their IP? Or that we should just accept it because the ToS says so? Or that it's communism? Or that it is impossible? Or that it isn't desirable because supposedly no one cares about these games? Or that convincing all consumers to stop buying these games is a variable alternative to passing laws about it?

All these are arguments are used in every single thread. Many of them posted in the exact same way. So go ahead and talk about dishonesty, because the detractors of SKG spew little else

>>713972992
I still have the screenshot.
God the butthurt from the plaintiff is hilarious.

>>713972903
why do you think that? also why do you hate immigrants?

>>713972815
Yes. All GPL code, of course. Source ports and WAD files are pretty much independent, so not sure why you're asking that.
I'm talking about the choice between the legally clean FreeDOOM WAD asset files, and the original Doom/Doom2 WAD files - which are IDs IP, but one can find them freely available in a billion places. Doubt ID will stay forever cool with piracy like this.

>>713972325
European Court of Justice ruled as part of prejudicial hearings for Usedsoft vs Oracle that EU consumers actually buy the digital content and have ownership over their copies. Even where there is no physical carrier medium involved, they have ownership over the ephemeral bytes.

In fact, this is why platforms like Steam are legally required to still give you access to your account and purchases to install and play, when they otherwise fully ban you off of the platform.

>>713970443
The model can be applied to any good, and likely will, if not stopped.

>>713973057
>>713973061
same wavelength, same braincells.

>>713973057
SKG is supported by commies, redditors, onions, and shitlib screechers, so I'm sure it's a bad idea.

I don't need to know why it's a bad idea, only that the type of people who want it are evil and wrong about everything, so this must be evil and wrong also.

if the eu could get fucking apple to switch to usb c, then this could absolutely go somewhere

>>713970443
"hey grandma, can you please sign this petition for me? It doesn't affect you at all but it's important to me. Thanks grandma, I'll come by next Saturday to help you with the lawn"

>>713973148
I agree, it's like they're PAID to shit up Stop Killing Games threads.

>>713973148
It's not wrong. Those are the majority of arguments against SKG that you'll see in these threads. Meanwhile the initiative speaks for itself for anyone that actually gives a fuck about vidya or want to keep their games

>>713970443
try these
>If you don't sign the petition you are a nazi
>sign this or I am going to socially isolate you
>sign this or you are evil
>if you don't sign this petition it means you hate me

>>713973259
oh no, I agree. I wrote the one of them I just thought it was funny the other 9 seconds away from somewhere was on the exact same wavelength

>>713972101
>>713972821
With "strong arguments" like yours it's no wonder that SKG failed.

>>713973259
>Meanwhile the initiative speaks for itself
If this was true it would already be wrapped up on on its way to a desk for an unelected EU official to look at by now

>>713972456
All I'm reading there is
> Anon, the actual game IP is not connected to the server implementation at all, so releasing the server binaries wouldn't impact the IP.
I.e. SKG is right; this is feasible and wouldn't impact IP rights.

>>713973301
Oh, fair enough

>>713973210
bait
fuck off

>>713973210
>gets wordfiltered
My, quite a lot of tourists these days. I guess 4chan has become a prime tourist destination for indians.

>>713973210
>SKG is supported by commies, redditors, onions, and shitlib screechers
According to who, twitch frog?

>>713973331
People need to know about it first. That's why we've seen a huge spike in signatures in the last few days

>>713970569
>communism bad because it doesn't acknowledge some things are scarce and some things aren't, instead attributing the same worth to everything
>software corporatism good even though software is being made artificially scarce even though it costs literally nothing to infinitely duplicate and run, but because you keep the thing to yourself you can slap whatever price tag you want and make it completely disappear when people stop buying

>>713972689
>failed to spell a simple 6 letter name correct
I question the validity of your dedication, but I'll humor you nonetheless. It's a webcomic that did a strip about skg when it was new-ish. Fairly certain it's Polish.

>>713973304
Here's my argument.
Nigger.

>>713972209
Every country is different. In my country private schools are extremely easy, and are considered a way to bypass school.

But it's not about this. Everyone has the actual possibility to study.

>>713972121
We get nothing free because we pay a lot of taxes for that, and still contribute.
Also, don't act as this help wasn't mainly for your own interests, as if we didn't help you even when we disagreed. This argument is used in a disingenous way.

>>713973057
>>no, that was never said, that's bullshit
You're right, it wasn't said by anyone. Which is why it's your strawman as you can see here >>713973061 along with a long list of other things you're generally ignorant about.
>Stealing is legal now
Which ironically is what you're asking for when you want developers to be forced to give away their software. And then you try to hide your demands by saying
>it won't affect their IP!
As if code, music, designs, characters and so on aren't multiple properties.
Anyway, to take your analogy and use it against you what you want is more like
>hey you haven't used your car in years and you haven't put petrol in it so I'm entitled to your catalytic converter and any other parts I want.
>to make a version that DOES work
Uh huh, that's why you spend most of four time shitposting and falseflagging here instead of actually working with the relevant parties to make a petition with demands that actually make sense.

>>713973398
Exactly.

>>713972121
I doubt you're actually American

>>713973445
>Everyone has the actual possibility to study.
Including the hordes of african and muzzrat invaders the EU forces you to accept :)
>This argument is used in a disingenous way.
How many US military bases are in your country?
How many of your military bases are in the USA?

>>713973128
>European Court of Justice ruled as part of prejudicial hearings for Usedsoft vs Oracle that EU consumers actually buy the digital content and have ownership over their copies.
>The legal dispute between Oracle and UsedSoft revolved around the question whether “used” software LICENCES may be sold to third parties, a long-time controversial legal issue.
Uh-huh.

>>713973496
I collect $2500 a month in veteran disability because I hurt my feetsies in the sandbox while killing muzzrats as a ZOGbot

>>713973492
>Which ironically is what you're asking for when you want developers to be forced to give away their software
You mean give away access to the thing the player has already paid for, i.e the game itself?
>As if code, music, designs, characters and so on aren't multiple properties.
What?
>working with the relevant parties to make a petition with demands that actually make sense.
What demands don't make sense?

>>713973540
NTA but isn't that just because the US didn't want the EU to rearm because of the fear of muh nazis and shit?

>>713972807
The threshold is also completely irrelevant, because we hit the 7 countries minimum long ago. The only thing that matters is signatures. Ideally 2 million of them, so the pencil pushers in Bruxelles can see this is a valid concern for a lot of people.

>>713970569
corporations are not entitled to my money AND their servers

>>713973540
Funny how you think niggers, wetbacks and illegals don't go to school in america.

SPAM THESE ON TWITTER JULY 2ND

>>713972517
>combine that with much heavier taxes and no such thing as tax deductibles
There's plenty of tax deductibles, actually. Notably deductibles for healthcare expenditures, home-office expenditures, etc.
Income tax rate tends to be scaled and tends to run from 10-40% where only the part of the income exceeding each scaled level's threshold is subject to that amount of taxation. The 40% isn't hit until obnoxious levels like 100,000 EUR income. Wealth tax doesn't exist in all member states. In many where it does exist, it is a figure based on what could realistically be obtained by making your money work for you via higher interest on deposit sums, stocks, etc. hovering around 1~4%.

Most EU consumers also tend to more proactively build up savings than US citizens, which are living more month-to-month on credit.
The average EU consumer has 20,000 EUR banked and saved for emergency expenditures. The average US citizen has a few hundred bucks, and that's it.

>>713972903
That's the UN, not the EU. You lost, Anal.

>>713973492
your analogy is so fucking retarded it isn't worth replying to, but I am just to tell you you are a cunt.
In your fictitious scenario the very framing is wrong, a random person taking the converter- dumbass- the car belongs to the person who bought it not the person who sold it.
You could have used an example of a customer buying a car- and then 3 years later every single petrol station in his town is closed down so he can't drive it.
But noooooooooooooo, you can't into logic.
FAGGOT

>>713973101
>also why do you hate immigrants?
why don't you?
I hate that they go around mugging and assaulting people
I hate that cops don't do anything to stop niggers but destroy you if you retaliate even verbally
I hate seeing my once safe and beautiful city get turned into a shithole by degenerate niggers
I hate that I'm forced to hear MUP DA DOO DIDDA BIX NOOD MUHFUGGA instead of my language

>>713973101
they come with baggage. they used to be cut off from where they came, but these days it's a badge of honor to hold on to the retardation you fled from

Why use Mario when Nintendo's going to slam your collective asses and Ross' mold god ass into the ground for it

>>713973615
I think it's more that America was nervous about the Soviet Union, and the Soviets themselves owned land as far as East Germany

>>713973101
>also why do you hate immigrants?
This is who supports SKG
it's open borders commie retards who want EU to be the one world government

>>713972997
>Bragging he can't afford anything with his own money
>Bragging that everything is effectively a rental and he doesn't really own anything.

Ah. So THIS is where the mindset comes from that is so turned against SKG and owning your games.

Most gamers support this idea but don't specify how it should work. They only care about the result. For a law like this to pass, it needs to be written carefully from a technical perspective, which is a challenge. Sure, some genres are easy to implement, but others are more complex. If it's adopted as it is, it could end up killing many games and genres. It'll be cheaper for companies not to make a game at all than to create an "afterlife" for it. And yeah, most gamers probably don't care about this, but I'd be sad if the industry lost future games just to keep old ones. This is basically a trade-off: we're not killing old games, but new ones.

>>713973804
Oh well yeah, fair. I forgot about that detail

>>713973842
>it could end up killing many games and genres
you mean live service games that are designed to sell you worthless skins and battle passes, season passes, cosmetics, loot boxes.
WORTHLESS SHIT

>>713973823
>acktually, access to near infinite capital of a BAD thing
>deferring the initial cost is Acktually a bad thing...

This is why you are euroPOOR.
Americans use their money to make more money, and then pay off their debt, while retaining the initial capital.
You use your starting capital to make a purchase, instead of using it to make more money and pay for the purchase.

This sounds EXTREMELY confusing to you, because you are a socialist europoor who thinks that making money is evil.

>>713972826
And Amerifats only know how to wage-cage for corpos, and shoot up schools and malls when they get fed-up with life - IF they can get up and out of their rascals, that is.

Next overly broad generalization, please?

I would like to sign it, but this piece of fucking shit website doesn't work.

>>713973842
>If it's adopted as it is, it could end up killing many games and genres
not a single game worth playing would be negatively impacted by this

holy shit guys The Crew must have been massively popular to cause such an uproar by closing down, lets look it up...

>>713973540
You are incredibly disingenous. Not only you try to shift the discussion on the immigration, but even say that we somehow owe something for you military bases. You have a lot of interests in doing this, and still we still contribute for it.

>>713973948
yeah it's shit, only way I could sign it was by entering all the info manually

You won't make 1 million, much less 1 million of valid signatures.

>>713970446
most of italy does not speak english
normalfags only play fifa
zoomers are ADDICTED to online only sloppa
old men hate videogames
women don't care about videogames

>>713973967
5 million copies sold iirc, 5 million people with -1 game now.

....uh nevermind, maybe there is a better example?

>>713971279
Could you post more terrible, bad faith arguments? You're doing a really good job making our side look more appealing.

So what's stopping people from monetizing private servers to make money off dead games? We have people monetizing mods for games. They're making money off IP that isn't theres.

>>713973819
>one world government
yes

>>713973842
Because it's not a law draft. Specifying how it would work is up to the work of lawmakers at a later date.

>>713973985
>Not only you try to shift the discussion on the immigration
You're the one who says the EU can do no wrong. I'm simply pointing out a very important and controversial activity they are engaged in.
>but even say that we somehow owe something for you military bases
You do. Say thank you, peasant.

>>713974060
and what's wrong with it? servers are costly to maintain

>>713974061
One day we'll show you the wooden door, Shlomo

>>713973575
The right to resell goes hand-in-hand with ownership rights and exhaustion of the first party's rights, anon.
Learn what you are talking about before you run your mouth off.

>>713974029
>You're doing a really good job making our side look more appealing.
If this was true why wouldn't you just shut up and let me post then? Why try to stop me?

>>713973952
Until it's a game you like.

>>713970221 (OP)
Piratebros, look at these retards thinking Mario is liveservice.

Fuck off and buy an ad.

>>713973842
>For a law like this to pass
good morning saar
It's not a lawdraft. Stop shitting in the street.

>>713974116
and now you just killed the law. Corpos will just bring this up and now copyright will be brought up and SKG will die.

>>713973937
Video Games?

>>713974130
go back to /pol/ faggot

>>713973842
>If it's adopted as it is, it could end up killing many games and genres
The petition isn't the law. It's the outline of what the problems are and possible solutions, which the lawmakers themselves will then design laws around
>It'll be cheaper for companies not to make a game at all than to create an "afterlife" for it
It absolutely would not. In no world is the cost of having an EoS plan higher than what games can make in profits

>>713971197
Not the ones on suicide watch.

>>713974175
>and now you just killed the law
corpos can suck cock and so can copyright law

>>713973608
>You mean give away access to the thing the player has already paid for, i.e the game itself?
Oh so now you're demanding they give up rights to their game and not just their server software?
>What?
Not that hard to figure out. When you people use nonsense arguments like
>they should just give us the server tools it won't affect their rights over their IP!
You're either being intentionally dishonest or you are too flat out stupid to realise that it's its own property wholly separate from everything else. Meaning you are literally begging for someone else's property to be taken away from them.
>What demands don't make sense?
Let's try all of them since you can't force people to do what you want.

>>713974185
get with the time retard, it's popular to hate kikes now

>>713973967
Not only is the number completely irrelevant to the concept of preserving games, but it also doesn't account for anyone in the future wanting to play it. Hell, maybe the people who worked on the game would actually like their games to stay playable

>>713974160
It kind of is while the only legal (in the eyes of Nintendo) way to play most old Mario games is through their virtual stores which they then shut down after a couple console generations.

>>713971379
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713971197
>one gay furry streamer's career soloed by a mana gem
>still crying about it 4 months later

>>713974268
>Not only is the number completely irrelevant
If numbers are irrelevant why does your petition require 1 million signatures from ID verified people? Why can't it just be 1 person signing it?

>>713974248
>it's popular to hate kikes now
yes in your nazi echochamber as always

>>713974107
>You're the one who says the EU can do no wrong
Show me where I said that.
>You do. Say thank you, peasant.
Again, you earn from that, and we are contributing still.

>>713972121
Not really. The EU's expenses on defense were shifted mostly to foreign aid and development programs for agriculture and healthcare in Africa. The EU could just collectively cut spending on foreign aid like the Trump administration called a halt to USAID expenses and it'd have all the defense funds it'd need.

It would cause humanitarian issues all over, but -- in a truly American take on things -- we have to look out for Number One, right?

>>713971197
Is this the guy who roached in diremaul?

>>713973742
>In your fictitious scenario the very framing is wrong
It's almost as if it's supposed to be from the perspective of the owner of the property and not you.

>>713973948
eID has been down for like a year lmao

>>713974185
go fuck yourself, redditor

>>713973693
Why is P.T. demo there. They didn't kill it for cost saving measures or anything. It wasn't even purchasable. It was free.

LET THEM IN
#REFUGEESWELCOME
#STOPKILLINGGAMES

>>713974318
good morning sir

>>713973742
>you can't into logic.
Dude, you're not the owner of the property here. How are you this fucking stupid?

>>713974481
Asking again:
If numbers are irrelevant why does your petition require 1 million signatures from ID verified people? Why can't it just be 1 person signing it?

>>713970569
no, games as service should have a clear indicator for when they get shut down!

This is not about keeping the game alive, that would be great if it would work but the truth is, it doesnt work. So what is needed is a date for when the support stops, or change the buy button into rent button.

>>713974468
Getting real desperate in shifting the narrative when all your arguments about the initiative get shot down, huh.

>>713974243
>Oh so now you're demanding they give up rights to their game and not just their server software?
No?
>You're either being intentionally dishonest or you are too flat out stupid to realise that it's its own property wholly separate from everything else. Meaning you are literally begging for someone else's property to be taken away from them.
Did Epic give away their rights to Unreal Tournament 2004?
>Let's try all of them since you can't force people to do what you want.
You can when they want to sell something. In fact, companies are already forced to do a bunch of shit if they want to legally sell a product. With your logic, devs could just release a game that literally didn't work and all would be honky dory because "you can't force people to do what you want."

>>713974443
Several games there are still playable in some capacity. These people have no idea what they even want.

>>713974553
what arguments? Refugees are WELCOME and we need to STOP KILLING GAMES!

>>713974516
I'm just pointing out your strawman. You are trying to refute apples with oranges.

>>713970221 (OP)
YOUR KILLONG

>>713972509
based Peripeteia poster

>>713972689
Marie from Peripeteia

>>713972873
>probably AI
no, the artist is Hirotonfa

>>713973492
>Stealing is legal now
Stealing is legally defined as removing a property from its rightful owner, such that they no longer have access to it.
If I get to keep a game running indefinitely because a publisher is legally forced to give me a COPY of the server software, that's not stealing.
They have the original server software still.

>>713974619
Ok. You keep doing your thing, I'm sure you'll convince someone eventually (lol).

>>713974318
>If numbers are irrelevant why does your petition require 1 million signatures from ID verified people?
Because that's how many you need for the initiative to be discussed in parliament. The number of Crew players has nothing to do with whether or not an initiative gets accepted

>>713974403
go fuck yourself /pol/tard

>>713974562
>These people have no idea what they even want.
Real talk: figure out who stands to make $$ from the situation, and you will figure out who is behind the initiative. I'm sure there is a $$ angle somewhere, I just don't know what it is.

>>713974636
You said numbers are irrelevant, but they clearly are relevant, because the petition itself requires popular support to show impact on a great number of people, to be considered in the first place.

honestly people hating refugees in this thread are kind weird lol

>>713974702
niggers don't love you back (you can't refute this)

>>713974619
No joke, I think they should shot immigrants on sight

>>713973764
>petition
Faggot.

https://youtu.be/j51lNAw08Z8?si=SiQWcOrZUDi6pQyR
Not only SKG is getting major traction, there's also the fact that Denmark is about to sue sony for digital monopoly.
EU, i kneel.

So what about IP like Marvel? Who owns the rights to the games and who is in charge of preserving it? When Marvel Rivals goes offline? This law is too impossible to be realistic.

>>713974753
like you have the luxury of forming an opinion, niggercattle

you are getting the 'refugees' whether you want them or not, lmao

>>713973693
>>713973764
>>713973820
These are all quite good.
Well done.

>americans go to sleep
>rampant off-topic politics and well poisoning posts increases
So how's the weather in New Delhi?

>>713974794
Wait im retarded, Dutch is netherlands
Still, the point stands

>>713973820
>>713973693
>petition

>>713973993
>>713974386
yeah I did it manually
fucking backwater continent

>>713974732
>You said numbers are irrelevant, but they clearly are relevant
The number of players of a game is irrelevant to whether or not a game should be preserved. The number of signatures needed for the initiative to be brought up is not irrelevant

>>713974848
>everyone who disagrees with me is an indian

>>713974812
all immigrants i have encountered in uni were kind, honestly its really weird that people hate other people for no reason

>>713974883
>The number of players of a game is irrelevant to whether or not a game should be preserved.
obviously wrong, did you type that with a straight face?

>>713974893
Kinda seem to be that way, yes.

>>713973842
>This is basically a trade-off: we're not killing old games, but new ones.
To put that another way:
We're not killing classic local multiplayer games or single player games.
We're killing GaaS slop; and microtransaction nickle-and-diming.

>>713974753
It's to try to steer the conversation away from the SKG subject. It's a standard tactic for controlling a narrative

>lets give big gov even more power so it ruins companies and make investments meaningless
Why are euro commies like this?

>>713974908
lmao

>>713974848
>thinking all people opposing this are indians
keep loving immigrants

>>713974753
Refugees? Jesus how guillable. Also, those so called "refugees" are linked to an increse of violence and crimes objectively. They are a national threat. Just look at France and UK.

>>713974908
>in uni
Kinda the problem here.

>>713974893
Am I wrong?

>>713973698
>There's plenty of tax deductibles, actually. Notably deductibles for healthcare expenditures, home-office expenditures, etc.
maybe in your specific EU country. there isn't an EU-wide law on tax deductibles and most EU countries don't have any.

>Income tax rate tends to be scaled and tends to run from 10-40%
how can you even frame progressive tax rates as a good thing? no wonder European innovation has plummeted when you're being punished for being successful.

>>713974975
>Make investments meaningless
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
TOTAL PUBLICLY TRADED DEATH

>>713974546
You're buying a license to play.
It's like buying a ticket to an event. Yes, you own your ticket, and you have the right to access the event for part or all of it's duration, but the ticket will be useless once the event ends.

>>713974938
>obviously wrong, did you type that with a straight face?
Why is it wrong?

>>713974060
The fact that everyone can make their own private server, dumbass.

>>713974107
>You do. Say thank you, peasant.
Thank you for stashing your nukes on EU soil, and turning the EU into a target for Russia to feel geopolitically threatened by.

>>713975048
obviously, it's deranged to even suggest indians would give a shit, or that a legion of "paid shills" could respond coherently and specifically in this thread in this manner

it makes you look REALL stupid to claim that indians are derailing your thread

you ARE really stupid, I'm just saying that it makes it undeniable

>>713973948
Do it manually with your ID. That's how i did it.

>>713974060
>So what's stopping people from monetizing private servers to make money off dead games?
What exactly would be the problem with that?

>>713975085
>It's like buying a ticket to an event.
these generally have a time announced on when they end

>>713975081
This is why your economy is crashing.

>>713975085
>GaaS

>>713975145
>Russia would have been nice to us if it wasn't for mean old USA
lel

>>713973820
>>713973764
>>713973693
Good, but it's NOT A PETITION, for fuck's sake.

>>713974975
fuck your stock "investments" lmao, you are the problem of today's economy

>>713973842
Based retard. This will kill nothing. Publishers would simply be less inclined to make GaaS and sell it as something else.

>>713974975
No one should want corporations to have more power than governments.
Governments can fumble their use of power, but corporations will actively use it maliciously against you.
There are checks on government power. There are resources you have to respond to abuse.
The only resources you have against corporate abuse is the government.

>>713975217
>it's NOT A PETITION
what is it?

>>713974443
It still was killed

>>713975085
You are buying a license for a copy of the game and unless specified, it's perpetual.
And after we are done with the initiative and the laws that will pass from it, it will be perpetual by default with no way to rob the customer of his purchase.
Thanks for your attention to this matter.

>>713975263
you're right the EU is perfect and need to be given even more power, including to dictate how video games are developed

>>713974773
I think they should actually bring them all the way into international waters near the US and then set them into sloops and shoot a hole in them.
Let that particular UN resolution on boat refugees work its magic on the US for once and see how THEY handle it.

>>713975152
Cool. Anyways SKG is about protecting customer/consumer rights by letting them play their games even after the publisher shuts down official servers. I don't see how rapefugees are relevant to this discussion, talk about it on /pol/ where someone gives a fuck.

>>713974443
and if the petition passes we could still play it, SKG doesn’t just cover games killed for cost cutting

i am YooHoo from YooHoo & Friends (2012) and i think that image is really fucking funny

>>713975152
>obviously, it's deranged to even suggest indians would give a shit, or that a legion of "paid shills" could respond coherently and specifically in this thread in this manner
Not really. We know for a fact that Ubisoft employed Babel Media to shill on 4chan

>>713974560
>No?
So you just confused yourself in your sea of shifting goalposts. Good to know you don't even know what you want.
>Did Epic give away their rights to Unreal Tournament 2004?
See what I mean, I explained how they're all different properties and you can't help but ignore what was said.
>You can when they want to sell something
No, no you can't. The sell you the product they want to sell you and the onus is on you as the potential consumer to decide whether you want it or not.
>devs could just release a game that literally didn't work and all would be honky dory because "you can't force people to do what you want."
May I introduce you to games such as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, Aliens Colonial Marines and Sonic 1 GBA. It's not uncommon for games that don't work to be released hell the 80s and 90s were flooded with them and no one expected them to be fixed with a revision because we just didn't buy them.

>>713975287
I should be able to play a limited time demo from a console game shop FOREVER. It is my RIGHT as a WORLD CITIZEN to have INIFINITE ACCESS FOREVER to game demos and I'm not afraid to say it!!!

#loveislove
#refugeeswelcome
#STOPKILLINGGAMES

>>713975085
>r part or all of it's duration,
and thats what is missing on the current state of games as service.

>>713975368
But you can still play it??? Just get it from somewhere else than the store?

>>713975256
Even if all of this did was force sellers to put an explicit expiration date on the games you buy, it would be an improvement.

>>713970221 (OP)
Where can I view the signature tallies for each country like in pic related? I saw a chart in a thread several days ago for volume of signatures over time too.

>>713975283
It is a European Citizens Initiative. This is a process withing the EU where Europeans can have a direct interaction with the EU governing body that can result in legislation. The process itself is legally binding once the 7 country thresholds and the 1 million votes from EU citizens have been passed. This is why only Europeans can participate since this is pretty much like voting but just on a single issue.

>>713975419
you're still milking that shit? you're a big fucking maderchod you know what I'm saying? A grade a benchod basterd bich

>>713975352
You're an idiot. Corporations more powerful than governments are distopic.

>>713975485
it should be legally available for free

>>713974794
>Denmark is about to sue sony for digital monopoly
Wait- what? Are they going after them under the DMA gatekeeper clauses for PSN, or something?
(That'd actually be brilliant. Forcing Sony to open up PlayStation to third-party digital storefronts and sideloading. Lol.)

>>713975353
Actually based idea lol

>>713971379
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713975521
But how?

>>713975486
>Even if all of this did was force sellers to put an explicit expiration date on the games you buy, it would be an improvement.
I agree.

>>713975520
>Corporations more powerful than governments are distopic
why? at least corpos won't kill you if you slander them, governments too powerful are always bad for the people in the country

>>713975508
so...a petition?
>legally binding
"We will look at your peasant proposal if we have the time."
>>713975520
l m a o
you believe this, don't you?

>>713975497
https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

Reminder this is going to lead to dedicated servers and there is a good reason the industry moved away from them.

Do you really want a future where ANYONE can host a server for your favorite game, giving they/them access to YOUR IP and private information which they could misuse unlike legitimate and honest companies who follow string privacy guidelines?

>>713975420
>See what I mean, I explained how they're all different properties and you can't help but ignore what was said.
No, you just listed off components of a game. Did Epic give up the rights to the Skaarj because I can host my own server in UT?
>No, no you can't. The sell you the product they want to sell you and the onus is on you as the potential consumer to decide whether you want it or not.
Seatbelts, nigger
>May I introduce you to games such as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, Aliens Colonial Marines and Sonic 1 GBA
You know what happened with Arkham Knight? It released in such a broken state that it became one of the first games to be taken off the store, and it resulted in the refund policy we enjoy today. So clearly, you can force standards. What exactly do you think regulations are, anyway?

>>713975580
on the store, for free

>>713974661
>Stealing is legally defined as removing a property from its rightful owner, such that they no longer have access to it
Your property aka the file/disc associated with your license is still in your possession and it still functions as you were told the day you bought it as is described on the box. Nothing is wrong with your property.
>I get to keep a game running indefinitely because a publisher is legally forced to give me a COPY of the server software, that's not stealing
Which is appropriation of property that doesn't belong to either you or the government aka theft.
You want the government to legalise theft.

>>713975497
I suggest to click on "sort" and then "signatures per capita highest first" if you want to see the whiteness classification.

>>713975624
Yes because ANYONE is a set that includes myself.

>>713975597
>at least corpos won't kill you if you slander them
Yeah, their fanboys will do it in their stead you fucking lemming
>>713975624
Oh yeah, the companies like jewgle who own 90% of services that most people use on the internet like search engine, browser, video platform and email service?

>>713975536
i made a mistake in the post >>713974861 but yeah, thats pretty much it.
Weird they arent coming after xbox though, since its pretty much the same there. They say that its because about 80% of people there have a PS.

hey, judas
so long

>>713975597
>at least corpos won't kill you
I'd suggest you read about East india company.

>>713975650
But who pays the server and storage costs?

>>713975725
i don't care

>>713975536 (cont.)
>>713974861
Ah. So it's just the Dutch suit wrt Sony's price-fixing.
I.e. nothing-burger. Shame.

>>713975508
Textbook authoritarianism.

>>713975624
>Reminder this is going to lead to dedicated servers
BAAAAAAASED

>>713975287
You can play it if you have it installed, which isn't the case for most of these. I.e. It's not dead by the same definition as the others.

>>713975701
>Yeah, their fanboys will do it in their stead you fucking lemming
i never heard of it, most of the time is people angry with companies killing the ceo or something
>I'd suggest you read about East india company.
it was a chartered royal company of the UK and it was basically an arm of the government, not an independent one

>>713975795
This is the most democratic thing yet since it puts power into the citizens who vote for it

I have some distant family that live in the EU but I doubt they'd care that much about signing a petition like this. How would I be able to convince them?

>>713975707
>Weird they arent coming after xbox though, since its pretty much the same there
That's because Xbox and by extension Nintendo still give retailers code cards so they don't have a monopoly over their digital store fronts. Sony on the other hand killed theirs years ago so they're in complete control of their storefront.

>>713975881
second part meant for >>713975721

>>713975283
It's legally binding. I.e. if it hits 1 million, it has to be seriously considered.
There is also proper protocol for it, so it cannot be offhandedly dismissed.

A more appropriate term would be a referendum. But it's also not quite that.
I would just substitute the full term of "European Citizens Initiative" instead.
Capitalization included, since that gives it the necessary gravitas.

>>713975893
>power into the citizens
Literal fascism.

>>713975795
>People notify their elected officials that they are concerned with a matter.
>Said officials legislate a solution to alleviate their concerns.
>Textbook authoritarianism
DERP.

Who are these threads for? If you were interested in spreading awareness and trying to get signatures you wouldn't be actively engaging trolls and allowing yourself to be made fun of.

This is some tribal bullshit where supporters of the petition are circling the wagons and looking for a fight, since it is now ideological.

>>713975905
Just ask them to sign it and says its important to you personally. Give them simple instructions. That's all it takes.

That's how this should actually be going, instead we have retards here calling everyone jews or indians for not toeing the party line.

>>713975624
>Least obvious falseflag as the evil shill
Come on anon, we are all autistic here but it doesnt mean we cant fucking read.

>>713972509
I need the new Dustbowl level

IM SPENDING ALL THIS TIME DESIGNING POSTERS

YOU GUYS BETTER POST THEM ON TWITTER ON JULY 2ND 8AM CET

DEDICATED SERVERS ARE A HUMAN RIGHT

>>713975597
Corporations will turn everyone in slaves and increase their profits to the infinite. Also they will gain the political power if they are stronger than the governments, becoming functionally the government. The worst thing you can do is making people poor.
Cyberpunk shows his vision of corporations controlling everything.

>>713975601
Bootlicker.

>>713975981
Most of the anons who give a shit (amerifats) are sleeping now so we're left with europoors who don't speak english and pajeets who are paid to shit up the movement

>>713975981
It's basically a YouTuber proxy war with people defending SKG because they like Ross.

>>713970221 (OP)
I want my Nier Reincarnation back :(

>>713975961
>gravitas.
see
>>713970757

>>713975353
FWIW the EU literally had plans to do this, except dragging them back to the African coast instead. But there are concerns of traffickers simply doubling down and tempting (and extorting) the refugees in question to take another ride on boat #2.

>>713975893
plebiscites were extensively used in fascist italy

>>713970221 (OP)
I don't really care for this larp

>>713974318
>>713974516
because that's how eu initiatives work.

>>713976045
gachaslopper
if it weren't for you we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place

>>713975617
>>713975673
ty, very nice second monitor content

>>713976037
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT PIRATESOFTWARE OR ROSS

>>713975085
>You're buying a license to play.
Does the license specify when it expires?
Does it state so on the storefront, in plain and clear language - as required through transparancy requirements in EU consumer rights legislation - without requiring the user to dig through 10,000 words of legalese in the EULA?

>>713976025
>Corporations will turn everyone in slaves and increase their profits to the infinite. Also they will gain the political power if they are stronger than the governments, becoming functionally the government. The worst thing you can do is making people poor.
>Cyberpunk shows his vision of corporations controlling everything.
as opposed to an authoritarian government who makes you slave for real without your choice and then kills you anyway? I don't think people in gulags during Stalin's reign were happy they weren’t living in corporate dominated world

>>713976037
People defend SKG because why the fuck wouldn't a consumer want to

>>713970221 (OP)
yeah makes sense the twitter board is also advertising their twitter crusade

>>713974468
This one will work for sure.

>>713976123
As in, I don't really believe you have people's actual interests prioritized, and I don't use shitter.

>>713975881
It was obviously working for the interests of the empire, but it was a private company. They had a stock that paid dividends and all.
The same way starlink, spaceX and aws are USA's strategic companies that are to some extend controlled by it.

>>713975597
>at least corpos won't kill you
Did you miss the part where WotC sent the fucking Pinkertons after someone? This is what they do in the open.

>>713975351
>You are buying a license for a copy of the game and unless specified, it's perpetual.
It's ALWAYS specified under T&C as until EoS, the date being at the full discretion of the publisher
This is why I'll never buy a games like this. That said, I wouldn't call these companies liars or swindlers

>>713975617
God i fucking love NUMBERS so much bros

>>713976223
>bluesky tranny mad that twitX elonchads dominate

definitely the shitcoin of internet activism
>hold the line SKGmuhreens!
>the paid fudsters will never sink us!
>remember to REPORT and hide all fud!!!
>it's paid indian shills attacking us! stay strong!
>OFFICIAL SKGMuhreen RANKING!
>Got 100+ signatures = General
>Got 75 signatures = Major
>Got 50 signatures = Captain
>Got 25 signatures = Lieutenant
>Got 15 signatures = Sergeant
>Got 5 signatures = Corporal
>Signed = Private

how do people went from discussing SKG to discussing Stalin?

>>713975597
>why? at least corpos won't kill you if you slander them
Instead they'll put toxic shit in things because it's cheaper, and they'll pay doctors to say that Oxycodone isn't addictive, or that smoking isn't unhealthy, or that you aren't actually entitled to the insurance you bought because they want to weasel out of what you already paid for. On and on it goes

>>713976406
The detractors keep bringing up unrelated topics to poison the well. Retards actually take the bait.

>>713976406
because Government shouldn't control the private affairs of privately owned companies.

>>713976008
Change "petition" into "initiative" and I will.

>>713975452
Same could be said for most tickets to sporting events.
Most people are aware of this, and most people don't care, because they expect to get their money's worth within a few years of the game's release

>>713975789 (cont)
>actually watches video segment
FUUUUUU----ck. The Dutch actually ARE going after Sony with the DMA angle. o_O
Holy shit! This is HUGE!

>>713970757
If you bought the game, you should be able to, but this is not what corporations want.

>>713976153
Makes me miss when I had one of these.

>>713976352
>trannies out of nowhere
you need to see a therapist holy fucking shit man im talking about the fucking twitterposting in general

>>713976209
You are assuming that every government is automatiacally a russian mafia state.
You are assuming that if a corporation takes power the government magically disappears, when in reality is the corporation itself to be the governement.

Dude, admit you have to rethink this.

>>713976349
did he die?

>>713976406
Because somehow governments are le bad, and corporations are le good.

>>713976486
Would be great if the whole of the EU dabbed on SNOY,GAYbox and Trannytendo for that matter. All of them are shit and exploit gamers.

>>713976472
Bad comparison because sporting events have an etablished and known average duration. When it gets cut short due to unexpected events that aren't part of the normal event, people ask for partial refunds.

>>713976219
Only amerimutts hate consumer rights because they think corporations not robbing you blind is communism.

>>713976528
No, he only got roughed up.

where are the fucking jannies? just kill this SKG slop and ban it from 4chan

>>713975485
>you can still play it, you just have to become a criminal so my employ- i mean the publishers can rape your ass in court
good morning sir

>>713976262
EULAs and T&Cs do not supersede the laws in any other place than america where corporations rule the land. The publisher taking away your stuff at his discretion will be purged as an option.
They are going to cope and seethe but digital ownership will eventually be on par with physical ownership.

>>713976691
Jeet mad

>>713976691
>a DALL-E thread died for this

>>713976637
then is not as bad as the government

>>713976219
>because why the fuck wouldn't a consumer want to
Because most people don't want to enable people's shitty choices for starters. Consumer rights are one thing but when you're refusing to take responsibly got your choices only to push an initiative allowing people to make more dumbass choices there's just something fucking wrong with that

>>713976764
Jeet post

>>713976691
>faggot now crying for jannies because he can't make even one compelling argument about why this is bad

>>713976815
>>713976748
>pol spam

>>713976739
>EULAs and T&Cs do not supersede the laws in any other place than america
No one is saying that they are where being said is that they contain information that is.
Being mentioned in an EULA doesn't mean you can evade copyright for example.

>>713976764
Responsibility of what? What dumb choises?

>>713976691
*stretches*
Insane, dogshit behavior in this thread. I've personally banned 6,000,000 EULA offenders from World of Warcraft when I worked at Blizzard for 7 years and let me tell you the janitors on this site could learn a thing or two from me.

>>713976764
I'm responsible for my choices. And now I choose to support this because other people aren't and making it worse for me. So fuck them if they want to be retards, I'll make them kneel if I have to to improve my situation.

>>713975707
Yeah- it's because Xbox doesn't have the install base to hit monopoly thresholds in anti-trust legislation.
After having watched the video: this foundation is going for the Epic vs Apple play.
And Epic WON that one wrt Apple being forced to open up aspects of the platform. Even in the US. Even though Epic had screwed the pooch on violating Apple's terms and conditions for publishing on the platform beforehand.

And this is in the Netherlands.
With the Dutch.
Who tend to be *very* pro-consumer. (They are actually one of the few countries in the world with legislation that states lifetime lasting liability of the trader and manufacturer for fitness for purpose of a purchased product, let that one sink in.)

This is going to end up ... interesting.
Very VERY interesting.

>>713972928
Am i the only STALKER bro in this thread?

>>713976629
Correct, and the same happens when GaaS games get cut short due to unexpected events. The expected duration here is a few years after release, a threshold all of these games under contention have reached.
So both sports leagues and game companies are already doing what they should on that front. No idea where this "explicit end date" tangent came in or why it matters.

damn, the situation is crazy

Why aren't the admins banning this thread despite reports from multiple IPs?

>>713976419
To this day the construction industry is still paying so-called scientists to travel around and give faculty lectures about how asbestos is totally harmless.

t. sis in law is a doctor and some of those lectures gave study credit

>>713977025
paid by ross probably

>>713977010
no

>>713976764
>consumer rights are one thing, but-
consumer rights are all this is about.
everything else is deflecting, misdirection, misinformation and FUD.

>>713976419
just learned that shit by yourself, not the companies fault you are a retard and don't read or inform yourself

>>713970221 (OP)
I'll do a promo letting my autistic furfag followers that I'll make a nsfw animated short with this bird if the initiative manages to hit a million legit signatures.

>>713977079
>probably
That's not very probable if you know Ross

>>713976945
>because other people aren't
Anon, they weren't tricked and information wasn't obfuscate from them.

>>713977132
>bro you just need to know the latest e-celeb
no, and i don't think i will, i only know the name "ross" and "pirate / thor" by the people spamming them here

>>713976448
>gommunism :DDD
>unrelated
funnet

>>713977131
Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a furry.

>>713976494
Impossible to not stick your face in their soft fur, only to regret it when your nose got filled with fine hairs

>>713977025
>admins
Why would mods ban a topic that is genuinely important to games as a whole?

>>713977065
>asbestos is totally harmless
it is if you don't work with it, its a really good insulant

>>713976939
I honestly don't know how this guy has an audience that takes him seriously. He acts like an upjumped discord mod.

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF POSITIVE THOUGHT! ESPECIALLY COLLECTIVE POSITIVE THOUGHT!

THIS SHIT IS GOING TO REACH 1,000,000 SIGNATURES EASILY!
HOLD THAT THOUGHT AND VISUALIZE IT IN YOUR MIND EVERYDAY AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE STARTING NOW AND IT WILL MANIFEST INTO REALITY. DO IT! I'M NOT JOKING!

VISUALIZE AS OFTEN AND AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE!

EVERYTHING IS ENERGY AND VIBRATION
ATTUNE YOUR VIBRATIONS TO MATCH THAT OF FREE STUFF AND IT WILL FLOW TO YOU

>>713977025
>reports from multiple IPs?
>multiple IP
Are you using proxies to report this thread? Anon, that's very gay and cringe of you.
>>713975624
>Reminder this is going to lead to dedicated servers and there is a good reason the industry moved away from them.
I've been playing multiplayer games since Quake 2. I am all for LAN and dedicated servers. Videogame publishers can all kys.

>>713977114
>consumer rights are all this is about.
If it were then it wouldn't exist.

>>713977130
You mean like how Dupont poisoned the entire world, starting the US, with cancerous run-off from the teflon production process? Like how that stuff is still in every burger wrapper made of grease-resistant paper?

You *knew* about that the last time you had a burger - right, anon?

>>713977285
Pathetic

>>713976842
Jeet mad

>>713973823
one of the most financially irresponsible things you can do is letting your money rot in a bank account.
always invest it, keep it moving, keep it working for you. if you need to "save up for something" you're doing it wrong and inflation and exchange rates will have their way with your savings.

>>713977285
>resorting to new age bullshit

>>713970569
Communists aren't going to understand the amount of actual work that goes into game dev cycles since they've never had to actually work for anything in their entire lives

I like that jump

>>713977079
>Moldman
>paying for anything
Lol he would give the state of Israel a run for their money just from how much of a stingy bastard he is.

>>713977151
And they still made a retarded decision, so they lose the right to make it worse for eveyone else.
If a retard sets a field on fire, you don't clain that that's it's his choice and if it's bad for everyone else, it only depends on him to not make the retarded choice. You send his ass to prison and force his retarded ass to not set another field on fire with penalties.

>>713977285
Fucking pathetic

>>713977328
and why would i care?

>>713976262
>Pokegirlfag
>Is retarded
Spend some of the time you are jerking off to the worse girl of the two to learn about the laws you're arguing about, retard.
These terms and conditions dont mean jack shit because
>It's ALWAYS specified under T&C as until EoS, the date being at the full discretion of the publisher
Is basically a Get-out clause on the side of the publisher and One-sided change to the product or service, which in turn nulls the entire document even without considering the fact you agree on it AFTER the purchase, which voids it automatically.
>93/13/EEC

>>713977328
Just don't drink any water, or eat any food that has used water to make. Easy.

>>713977387
SKGMARINES WE ARE MOOOOONING1!!!! 1,000,000 SOON!

>>713977224
What about side by side with a fren? :)

>>713977130
It has been proven time and again that that is not feasible. That's why pro-consumer laws exist in the first place. You're living in a fantasy world if you think this is any solution at all
>just learned that shit by yourself, not the companies fault you are a retard and don't read or inform yourself
Did you miss the part where they were actively lying about their products? Which means that much of the information you would come across would be fraudulent in the first place. And again, most people do not have either the time or ability to research these things, which is precisely why regulations are a thing

Mods please enable country flags in these fucking threads already.

>>713977285
>it's not a commie thing guys
>it's not a cult guys

>>713975085
Yeah but you should have the ability to actually own your games. Imagine if you couldn't own a VHS or record back in the day and certain companies only let you rent them. It's a terrible industry standard that people should protest

>>713977285
kys faggot

>>713977421
Why wouldn't you want to trust products? Do you want said products to actively make things worse in the society that YOU reside in? This is a you problem unless you're completely self-sustainable and separate from society

>>713977285
>SKG its totally just a consumer petition bro, its not a cult i swear

>>713977285
YOU NEED TO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>713977184
Yet you want to write "probably" about the behavior of a guy you don't know anything about

>>713970569
Server binaries don't have to be released into public domain, are you a fucking chinese room? Just give them to people that purchased the game. No, it will not transfer the IP to whoever gets them, no more than being able to run your own Rust or Conan Exiles server grants you the ownership of their IP. Stop being fucking stupid.

>>713977618
i don't care about society

>>713977285
Not a falseflagging glowie btw.

I'd like to imagine that in an alternate universe where piratefag never mentioned the petition it wouldn't have lost its momentum quite as hard as it did months ago but it still would have failed by just a smidge towards the end. But in our universe, because of his ratfucking ways, people have such a visceral reaction to him that they will just sign the petition in droves, even if they don't give a shit about it at all. It will be remembered as the EU initiative with the highest amount if signatures and there will be a Wikipedia article written on it where Thor will be named as one of the chief critics of it. And he'll seethe about it endlessly.

>>713977618
He doesn't care because he already eats cow shit and bathes in the Ganges.

>>713977285
>>713977330
>>713977372
>>713977415
>>713977536
>>713977543
>>713977675
>>713977679
All me btw

>>713977130
>not the companies fault you are a retard and don't read or inform yourself
Don't care. You will get regulated and you will be happy.

>>713977686
because i like giving the benefit of the doubt to everyone, i know i should stop using probably

>>713977726
Seeing as I live in one, I sure do

>>713977285
YOU ARE A MANIAC

>>713977131
>10 million signatures from Germany the next day

>>713977759
Bootlicker.

>>713977732


New thread

>>713977748
no it's actually me

>>713977770
There's nothing probable about it. You just admitted you wouldn't even know if it was probable

>>713975905
See >>713971404 if you want arguments.
Or just tell them that it's important to you and it takes a minute at most.

>>713977835
>>713977748
>>713977285
>>713977330
>>713977372
>>713977415
>>713977536
>>713977543
>>713977675
>>713977679
Why are all these posters pretending to be me?

>>713977837
I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS ROSS GUY IS AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT, GET FUCKED

>>713977407
>And they still made a retarded decision,
Exactly, and they learned that's why games with DRM are dying. With less and less being released.
You, and people like you, are taking away the lessons they can learn from their mistakes so they can repeatedly buy shitty games over and over and over again.

>>713977131
Thats a weird way to advertise your porn.
I like the lighting in your picture though so it definitely worked. Link?

>>713977798
Keep crying, corporate whore. Submit or miss out on the single biggest market on earth.

>>713971542
Why don't you practice what you preach, hypocritical fuck?

>>713977925
Then stop making statements concerning probability about the behavior of a guy you admit to not even fucking know

>>713977529
>posts with memeflag
problem?

>>713976008
You should add QR codes. Typing out an url is too complicated for your average phonetard.

>>713977941
People don't learn when no one points out that something is a mistake. This will and if the burgers and other retards still want to live in their cesspit of retardation, then nobody will shed a tear for them.

>>713978081
Memeflags are a /pol/ exclusive
/int/ does not allow you to hide

>>713978027
>single biggest market on earth.
china?

>>713978170
I'm from the EU and signed the petition, what good will you knowing my flag do, for you?

>>713978170
then pol should do the same

>>713978137
>This will
No, no it won't. All it does is remove responsibility.

>>713978246
It will allow me to know if the tree YOU are supposed to be barking at is actually indian/american or not, retard.

>>713974802
>This law is too impossible to be realistic.
It's only applicable to online only service games. Which are the problem in itself.

>>713977987
Just trying to get anons thinking about alternative avenues of attack. Everyone likes a stretch goal! :^)
@voui3d

>>713977432
>Is basically a Get-out clause on the side of the publisher and One-sided change to the product or service, which in turn nulls the entire document even without considering the fact you agree on it AFTER the purchase, which voids it automatically.
No, I'm talking about the T&C presented at the time of purchase

>>713978281
People will still be responsible for the games they buy. It's very retarded, like saying regulations to prevent food from containing pollutant or preventing industries from dumping manufacturing waste water in rivers is only a case of people not taking responsability for their purchases to not support what the seller does.

>>713978561
Steam is not all there is - physical still exists and does not require a T&C on purchase, and it still does not take away the fact that there's still the issue of the Get-out clause and a one-sided change

>>713978569
>like saying regulations to prevent food from containing pollutant or preventing industries from dumping manufacturing waste water in rivers is only a case of people not taking responsability for their purchases to not support what the seller does.
False equivalence. You're talking about sustenance in a conversation about entertainment.

>>713978569
>like saying regulations to prevent food from containing pollutant or preventing industries from dumping manufacturing waste water in rivers is only a case of people not taking responsability for their purchases to not support what the seller does.
NTA but no.
An appropriate food analogy would be buying food you know you're allergic to and then blaming the company for making it.

>>713977529
Would be pointless when proxies exist. Thread IDs on the other hand... that would be a god send. Every blue board should have them, as far as I'm concerned. Trolling and other shitposting belongs on red boards.

>>713979095
Proxies would make IDs just as useless.
Either way a ton of SKG supporters would be filtered day one if it either were applies today.

>>713978776
Yes, but it's been widely understood since the early 2000s that any game that relies on online servers is at the full mercy of the developers' choice to maintain said servers. So long as the developer does advertise otherwise, they're fine

>>713979165
The whole point of IDs is exposing samefaggotry and shitters trying to derail a convo by jumping into it. If you've been cycling through 20 different IDs you're not going to be able to reply with the 7th ID you used in any given convo.

>>713979165
>>713979308
Whoops missed that.

>supporters
That's not how you spell detractors. As in, the samefagging poos trying to shit up the threads that would get exposed if thread IDs was a thing.

>>713972517
>this. take the average gross salary of a senior software engineer, a well-paid white collar job.
>>USA as a whole: $100K
You're pulling numbers out your ass. I'm a second year software developer straight out of college, and I'm making 80K. In the Midwest. How are seniors making chump change?
Also these type of statistics are flawed because they account for too much. You even split USA into two, but we need more groups for both Europeans and US.

>>713979165
It's better than nothing, you can often tell when somebody posts with a proxy.
But both it's good.