Thread 713977732

On Wednesday July 2nd 8am CET (Tuesday night for Americans) we are going to promote #StopKillingGames on Twitter to get it trending. Our current 4 day signature rate is HIGHER than it was at the start of the campaign btw.

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WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF POSITIVE THOUGHT! ESPECIALLY COLLECTIVE POSITIVE THOUGHT!

THIS SHIT IS GOING TO REACH 1,000,000 SIGNATURES EASILY!
HOLD THAT THOUGHT AND VISUALIZE IT IN YOUR MIND EVERYDAY AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE STARTING NOW AND IT WILL MANIFEST INTO REALITY. DO IT! I'M NOT JOKING!

VISUALIZE AS OFTEN AND AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE!

EVERYTHING IS ENERGY AND VIBRATION
ATTUNE YOUR VIBRATIONS TO MATCH THAT OF FREE STUFF AND IT WILL FLOW TO YOU

We are slightly beating our sign rate from our first 4 days of the campaign by about 20%. If it has a similar curve as that did than we might be able to make it.

>>713977903
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT

Reminder this is some butthurt thirdworlder's anti-American meme petition. Report and ignore this thread for spam.

>>713977903
>desperately has to spam his shitpost because all else as failed to slow down support for skg

>>713977903
MORE POSITIVE VIBES FOR SKG LET'S GO

>>713977964
>>713977809

>>713977903
A petition has never changed anything in history, ever, faggot. Kill yourself.

cant wait to celebrate when this shit fails

>>713978012
LFG!!!! SENDING MY ENERGY!!!! SKGOBLINS ITS OUR TIME!

How do you think Thor feels about the fact that the only reason this initiative will likely pass is because people hate him enough to sign something they would have never signed otherwise just to spite him?

>>713977964
>jeet post

>>713978049
Digital whiteface

>>713978028
If it's not going to change anything, why bother with these false flag shitposts?

>>713977732 (OP)
>On Wednesday July 2nd 8am CET (Tuesday night for Americans) we are going to promote #StopKillingGames on Twitter to get it trending.
That's cool. Not gonna partake in that myself, but good luck with that. I already signed the initiative when this started last year.

>>713978067
Why are white people like this in Asia?

>>713978049
that's cultural appropriation sweetie

>>713978067
He'll make a video about how that was his plan since the beginning because people keep dogpilling on him on the slightest chance

>>713978023
DO NOT REDEEM THE FLUSH SAR!
YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTARD BITCH! DO NOT REDEEM!

>>713978119
>If it's not going to change anything, why bother complaining about my retarded spam?

>>713978067
>asian porn
nice thread SKGiggers

>>713977732 (OP)
WE ARE DOING IT REDDIT
LETS GO

>>713977903
uh oh stinky

>>713978231
Do you genuinely think that your complaints are going to stop people from posting these threads? You're genuinely low IQ, aren't you?

>he made a third thread
not spam btw

>>713978067
code?

You keep saying things like *down with the bourgeoisie*, *eat the rich*, *sodomize the land-owners*, *impale all people who have more than 25 reál in their pocket*, *literally murder all human beings regardless of their political beliefs* -- that kind of stuff.

>>713978343
you lost thor

>>713978359
and?

>>713978124
Let you parents sign too. I did it.

>>713978428
i got my parents, my gf, my friends and even a neighbour to sign it and they don't know what the fuck is about lmao

#KeepKillingGames

~~==OFFICIAL==~~ SKGoblin TRIBE RANKING!!!

1000+ SIGNATURES = WARLEADER
500 SIGNATURES = WARLORD
250 SIGNATURES = CHIEFTAIN
150 SIGNATURES = SHAMAN
50 SIGNATURES = BRAVE
25 SIGNATURES = WARRIOR
10 SIGNATURES = SCOUT
1 SIGNATURE = GOBLIN

GET THOSE SIGS UP AND RANK UP IN THE SKGOBLIN TRIBE!!!

>>713978067
>You just got added to the list, buddy. Eat my entire ass

Stop this antisemitic hate campaign, if you sign you're an economic terrorist

>>713978523
FELLOW BRAVE RANKERS WHERE ARE YOU?

>>713978593
funny to think this stupid petition would be dead in the water if people didn't have a hateboner for this dipshit

Hope those fake votes were worth the police showing up at your door, bud.

>>713978236
This. You need to post indian porn saar

>>713978067
that's why he made the videos how is everyone not noticing that...

>I DON'T CARE IF IT TAKES TIME, MONEY AND EFFORT TO DEVELOP A DEDICATED SERVER TOOLKIT
>VALVE DID IT OF THEIR OWN VOLITION 20 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS THE NORM, SO COMPANIES SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO IT NOW WHEN PRACTICALLY NO-ONE DOES IT ANYMORE
>ME AND 2 OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY THIS SLOP FROM 10 YEARS AGO BUT CAN'T. YOU'RE DESTROYING OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE REEEEE!!!

Explain why you are entitled to an unlimited service. When you sign the ToS, you are agreeing to a limited-term license of a game. If you don't like it, stop playing video games.

>>713978634
More like if this dipshit could hold his mouth shut, but his ego didn't let him.

>>713978702
retard

>>713978668
when half of the votes will be exposed as fakes the real fun stuff will begin

>>713977732 (OP)
im still not signing, i find folks supporting this movement to be very toxic

>>713978702
>it's not enough that I choose not to play a video game
>other people must be excluded from playing video games also, after they are banned from sale in the EU

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>>713978702
Explain why you are entitled to not have your family taken hostage as collateral for signing a loan contract.

>>713978759
>vtumor

>>713978702
I'm not agreeing to anything because TOS is not a legally binding document in Europe. It is in the US, which is why it is there, to get corporate slaves that have forgotten their freedoms to heel.

>>713978763
Yup. That's called adulthood. Accepting that there are terms and conditions to a product is adulthood. You cannot throw baby shit-tantrums in the middle of a Disney World and not expect to get kicked out.

>>713978748
yeah Im sure it will pass and then get denied because of all the fakes

>>713978702
Explain how gaming companies are allowed to sell a service as if it were a product

>>713978798
>I'm not agreeing to anything because TOS is not a legally binding document in Europe.
Odds are, those servers are being hosted in the US.

I just ran the numbers. If the signature rate slows at the same rate it did last time than by January 24th we should have 800,000 signatures with 1 week left to go

>>713978748
You cannot fake this.

>>713978801
And now the industry will have a few more terms and conditions if they want to do business.
Glad we got that cleared up.

>>713978028
The EU will enforce the petition if it gains the necessary amount of signatures.

This kills the shill.

>>713977732 (OP)
People signing this movement are retarded, they fellate that fat fuck Gabe Newell lol

Stop posting this forced crap . Your shitty petition is never singing into parliment .

>>713978847
They aren't, hence the TOS you're signing.
>>713978902
The ball isn't in your court. You have literally no leverage.

>>713978870
They probably are, but that is no business of mine, if they want to sell in the EU they will obey EU regulations.

>>713978915
>>713978698

>>713978929
Its not a petition. And is the best chance of saving that one game you love.

I'm considering signing it. Not because I care about games, but because any strengthening of consumer law is good.
Then again, I'm always hesitant to lend my name to anything involving politics. Who knows how the next lists for death camps will be compiled.

>>713978896
all it requires is a valid ID, and you can buy mass 'valid' ID's online for credit card fraud in batches of 100's for $1000 per batch

I think the issue is hardly that they are cancelling live service games.
they shouldnt be pumping them out in the first place. and also kill gacha, its a bigger problem desu. if you were hyped for suicide squad you are a retard

A lot of pajeet shills in this thread. This is from Babel Media:
>Helping your business succeed through social media is more than a job, it's a calling.
>A calling to discover, create and inspire your audience.
>We are thinkers and doers - we worry about your social media so you don't have to.
It's a social media manipulation company employed by Ubisoft. They bot and derail comment sections and message boards.

I'm not making a twitter account Elon

>>713978960
>You have literally no leverage.
That's why we are going throught the eu legal process to get leverage.

why are the supporters of this movement so toxic?

>>713979003
>Not because I care about games, but because any strengthening of consumer law is good.
No it isn't. The relationship between a consumer and a company is a delicate balance. If we give ultimate authority to consumers then it will just boil down to free products for everyone.

This entire movement is just fucking stupid.

>>713978896
you absolutely can, it just that it get immediately discovered when the actual checks begin

>>713979056
>I can't just take your money and run anymore this is anudda shoah!
No.

Who is we?
I'm not going to do shit.

SKGOBLINS GET HYPE. GET OUT THERE AND RAID THE DISCORDS AND SUBREDDITS! INFORM INFORM INFORM!!!! HIT UP YOUR FRIENDS YOUR FAMILY STRANGERS IN THE STREET MAKE FLIERS SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOP!!!! #STOPKILLINGGAMES!

>>713978302
funny that Ross said that reddit is banning anyone who talks about the initiative

>>713978915
I loved playing HL Deathmatch in LAN as a college student. Those were the days.

>>713979056
>protecting consumer rights means you are entitled to free shit!
go back to eating your cow dung cakes you smelly pajeet

>>713979037
>i will not use something to spread my message because i hate the retarded guy in charge
Lmao you deserve no consumer rights loser

>>713979056
Companies are constantly lobbying for greater power. They always have the upper hand. Consumers need to take every opportunity to level the playing field.

>>713979049
Is this a death threat?
*opens MS paint*
Yeah, you see I've been getting threats like this all week from the SKG community, yeah. Every single one of them is being documented, reported, blocked and banned. Welcome to the finding timeline, bud. Hope this was worth it for you.
*stretches*

I dont fucking get it, why there is so many people on a fucking video game board fighting and spewing contrarian shit to let corpos behave even more disgusting. Its like people on /tv/ defending Netflix ability to disable their monitors/tvs... I just dont get it. do those people need to troll this much?

>>713979042
I never thought I would actually approve of the European Union for once.

>SKGajeets accusing others of being Indian
GOOD MORNING SAR DO THE NEEDFUL SIGN POOTITION

>>713979151
you're a child voting for extra allowance from his parents
after a certain point the demands become unreasonable and you be reminded of your place

>>713978759
yeah when I saw the 3 stooges support it I began to hate it

>>713977732 (OP)
Kiwitroons are supporting this campaign therefore i wont sign it

>>713979202
>omg just give the EU every bit of power imaginable and let them regulate literally every facet of every business and existing ever!!! they know best so just tell them to regulate it!!!

>>713978960
TOS are only legally valid in America. They don't mean shit in Europe.

>>713979216
only braindead negative iq corporate bootlicking h1-b pajeets would be against SKG

>>713977732 (OP)
>Twitter

>>713979216
lmao people really thinks the people pushing for signing it are not from india

>>713978028
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT
GAMERS RISE UP

>>713979202
There's unironic paid agitprop going on and a lot of samefagging from the same exact shills every thread. They're trying every trick in the book, but it's not working. It's funny that it started with gloating about the movement failing when Ross made that video, but now they're in full damage control again.

>>713979305
Because letting corporations do whatever the fuck they want is better? Do you have iq to breathe?

>>713977732 (OP)
SPAM

>>713979305
Yes

>>713979202
you have to keep a delicate balance between corporations and governments.
sure, letting the EU stick it to the corpos now sounds good, but need I remind everyone what the EU is capable of when you provide it with precedents?

>>713979321
oh yeah? try saying nigger in marvel rivals and see if you don't get banned

>>713978915
Also.

GIVE UP NOW I'M NOT ASKING

>>713977732 (OP)
3 million people in London alone protested the Iraq war. Guess what happened next!

>>713979409
And

skgfags are a bunch of zoomer gacha who play mobile games right? what sort of garbage game can be killed lol

>>713979381
EU knows best.
#letthemin
#refugeeswelcome
#stopkillinggames
#freepalestine

>>713979468
Every game you play can be killed

>>713979378
just ignore them they're all brown subhuman smelly curry munching pajeets trying to get a rise out of (You)

Stop spamming this shit nobody gives a fuck

EU knows best. Give them more power. After we get them to #stopkillinggames we need to ask for more migrants.

#hostarefugee

>>713979305
What's even your point? The EU already has that power. They can pass whatever fucking law they want already, nobody can stop them.
The only difference is that this is one time this regulatory power could actually be used for something the populace wants and benefits from instead of gay bullshit.

>>713979483
still don't understanding what's wrong with refugees

>>713979483
Vatnigger still mad about losing to Ukraine?

>>713978702
People aren't asking for unlimited service, but for the game to be playable after the service ends.

Moist Critikal Asmongold bros we are winning bigly they wont be taking our video games for us us gamers always win

>>713979595
try living near them

>>713979595
They are brown and a tool for the rich to get richer at the expense of the working class.

>>713979639
No, I'm not poor. Are you?

>>713977732 (OP)
i fucking despise pc fanboys. fucking loser thread. pcmr cancer fuckers

>>713979671
Yes, but what does it have to do with the preservation of videogames?

>>713979595
They aren't actually refugees fleeing war in most cases. They don't actually leave and instead stay as immigrants.

open wallets for video games, but not open borders for europe? #letthemin #stopkillinggames

>>713979483
>he has no arguments, so he needs to shift the topic on something else
As if the #freepalestine useful idiots and the immigrant lovers aren't infecting USA too. This is all the left wrongdoing.

>>713979603
oh hey Anglo watcha doin'

>>713978668
Can votes be faked? Wouldn't the site just go error data doesn't match anything in the database? I mean you can grab your grandpa's ID and sign for them but I don't think tech can sense that they didn't want to do that and cancel it.

>>713978906
>please no more brown people
lmao
>please no killing gamerinos
lmao

>>713979732
The uk only accepts indians, what's your point?

#refugeeswelcome
#stopkillinggames

>>713979595
You live under a rock then. They make the environment unsafe, and bring violence and criminalty. This is not my opinion, but an objective fact.
Also, most of the times, aren't refugees in the first place.

>>713978512
its so him fr fr

>>713979216
This petition is currently the best measurement of whiteness. That's why Nordic countries are leading the charge. Brown third worlders aren't even eligible to participate.

>>713979808
But what does that have to do with the preservation of videogames?

>>713979757
you can put in whatever, its up to each country to validate them later

Whats the dumbest shit you've seen a skg supporter say

EU KNOWS BEST. GIVE THEM THE POWER!!!!

>>713978523
>>713977903
who called in the LINK marines?

what the hell, market vendor? I bought this peach 2 days ago and you said it would be delicious! Now look at it! You sold me a service and called it a product you greedy fuck!
The EU needs to mandate that fruit sellers provide all previous buyers with a free sapling so they can keep enjoying the product they paid for!

>>713979842
Norwegians would've come in handy.

>>713979878
>skg supporter
no such thing exists, they're all just e-celeb fags

>>713979850
Nothing.
People are topic shifting on this to say in a disingenous way that both this petition and EU is wrong.
But don't start to pretend that illegal immigration is good to counter this disingenous argument.

>>713979941
Just admit that you were tricked by maldavius and move on

>>713979394
>preventing people from polluting with a simple and common sense solution
????

>>713980015
nuking india?

>>713980009
bingo, exactly what i was talking about

>>713978359
Uh, bro, this isn't our discord.

>>713980101
Nuking North Africa and Middle East first.

>>713979967
It's not. It should be strictly controlled, but some autismo spamming shit because he first lost the argument and then lost his nerve should not be acknowledged as a "topic shifter".

>>713979814
Omg, they kinda look alike hahahahaha

>>713980101
>he wants radioactive shit particles floating in the atmosphere
YOU FOOL YOUVE UPSET THE NATURAL ORDER
>>713980156
>north africa
what did the Berbers ever do to you? Also uhhh our oil bro....

>>713980156
maldy's personal pajeetoid detected

>>713978702
They don't need to provide an indefinite service, just give the community the tools needed if they want the game in a playable state.

>>713980103
The fact that you know what I was talking about tells me everything

>>713980223
mold man being resurrected by mold 3 days after he died of mold inhalation.

>>713977732 (OP)
As someone who doesn't play online games I literally don't understand this movement, what sort of trash are you playing that can be killed

>>713978236
>mad because it's not blacked
LMAYO

>>713980315
The same stuff you play

1 million votes vs multinational corporations with the top paid lawyers and unlimited budgets.

>>713980282
>gibsmedat

>>713980223
It's hilarious to me that the "you will own nothing and you will be happy about it" mfers will piss and shit themselves the moment someone actually pushes for regulations on a lack of consumer protections in the games industry. Really tells you all you need to know about these cocksuckers.

>>713980373
Skiggers really think they are just like the apple USB-C and GDPR struggle.

>>713980373
>ack...

>>713980315
Boomers have realized that htey might lose their 20 year old wow characters at any time and zoomers have realized that they might lose their gacha shit so now they are rioting + eceleb bullshit that surrounds this campaign

>>713980315
Hitman is a pretty good example
>completely single player game
>always online for no fucking good reason

>>713980467
YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME
IM IN CHARGE HERE

>>713979394
>mass effect 3 endings

>>713980223
This Ross faggot should've contacted people instead of playing hero. These gay emotional arguments will get you nowhere in reality. Why not make a github with resources for replacing middleware with open source solutions and a clear vision to actually preserve online only games with complex databases? Redditor behavior, might as well kill games since this "movement" will kill any future tries that are actually made by people with technical knowledge and a vision.

>>713980409
/pol/tards don't have any principles. They're the dumbest kind of contrarian where they will actively work against their own self-interest if some demented retard tells them that that would align them with trannies and lefties and women or some other demographic they despise. They're legitimately low IQ and there is nothing that can be done about it. Led poisoning is a bitch.

>>713980409
It's leftists going after it anon.
they hate the idea of personal ownership

>>713980535
refer to the whiteness map before you post again
>>713979842

>>713978702
>Explain
93/13/EEC

>>713977732 (OP)
its gonna be funny when it gets to 1 million and nothing happens.

>>713980467
USB-C =/= Hand over the source code of your propritary IP to the public because they can't handle the fact that all things end

>>713980589
A gay furfag is the main opponent to this, leftoids are the problem, not /pol/.

>>713980475
i literally don't care about retarded niggers in these categories. hope your initiative passes, you'll get to see based eu inaction. but stop spamming the board.

>>713980595
>/v/ simultaneously screams about Stop Killing Games being a reddit initiative, which is leftie central while also claiming that it's actually lefties fighting it even though the thread is infested with morons arguing that supporting this initiative is actually communism

>>713980567
he's just not that good at it. he wanted someone else to take charge but no one would.

>>713980315
In my understanding it's more for games like Death Stranding or Dark Souls, where there are online components directly integrated into the user's experience with the game, and people would miss out on a lot of mechanics if the servers were just to permanently shut down.

what will happen when it passes, the EU looks at it and dismisses it?

>>713980672
I disagree

>>713980672
But you don't need to hand over the source code.

>>713980713
You're a leftist trying to poison the well, go back.

>>713977964
Are you even capable of making a genuine post instead of falseflags wrapped in 30 layers of irony?

>>713980679
And the main proponents of that gay furfag's opposition are conservacucks that think this initiative is communism. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

>>713980713
/v/? you mean the pajeets maldie hired to shit up any threads supporting the initiative?

>>713980714
Bulshit, guy's a fucking retard. People reverse engineer games all the time with decades of work from scratch. Like cmangos for example. He's just an attention whore pretending to be a messiah.

>>713980724
Most likely. I still think it's worth a shot because fuck the AAA studios. Bunch of greedy cunts.

I was away for 10 minutes
How the fuck did this thread manage to become 2000% more insane and spammed than the previous one?

>>713980724
>makes game development even more expensive and risky
>encourages piracy
>no other region has something similar, which puts a soft power industry at risk

toss

>>713977903
>we
fuck off, retard

just don't buy this shit, done

>>713980745
weak bait

>>713980770
They aren't, you delusional faggot

>>713980789
well that's what he said

>>713980805
Corpo shills are having a meltie

>>713980724
>makes game development even more expensive and risky
>encourages piracy
>no other region has something similar, which puts a soft power industry at risk

toss

>>713980846
I replied to your bait, so you got one person at least

>>713980409
It's different people. I know you think it's all one monobloc but it is genuinely different people.

>>713980870
>well that's what he said
Yeah, a redditor with a main character syndrome.

>>713980789
Why force people to do work that's already been done and payed for?

>>713978105
SO LONG JUDAS

>>713980856
They are, you subhuman low IQ retard. The most common argument pulled up by people on /v/ against it is that people want endless free shit and think of le poor companies. That's typical conservative cuck behavior.

>>713979732
send some of those women and children my way, I'll take care of them

>>713979842
This whiteness map is wrong. You have to sort by "signatures per capita highest first" to get the actual whiteness map.

The reason nobody can agree is because while this would be a good thing on paper who fucking knows how the EU will handle it. They could twist this so it barely does anything but forces even more restrictions and obligations on smaller devs

This whole initiative is "hey this is bad EU, do something about it"

im not signing it, stop spamming the board with your drama

>>713980789
>People reverse engineer games
It took a decade to get semi-serviceable WoW private servers. People shouldn't be forced to reverse engineer servers for games that they paid money for at the end of their life.

>>713977903
>[Deleted]

>>713980923
No, I have direct evidence those are the same people. Conservatives have zero principles and will flip flop on their position the moment they think they have to cooperate with lefties on something. They're genuinely that fucking dumb.

Stop trying to make this a "left vs right" thing. There are people all across the political sphere who supports this. You are just trying to create a shitshow to undermine the message. If you pay for a product, you own that copy of your product. You should be allowed to use said product.
It is your individual and generally collective right that we own games we buy.

>>713980724
With this mentality, you would do nothing. First we try to get enough signatures.

Reminder that the louder they scream, the more scared they are.

>>713980816
>>713980915
lol

I have never in my life seen a more vile reaction to a campaign than I have in these threads.
The amount of shills trying to derail threads, spamming and even sometimes posting actual CP is insane. Not to mention that jannies sometimes deleting these threads.
I have supported this campaign from the beginning and the disgusting subhuman shills only make me support it
These demonic corporations want to take everything from us.
I am not chattel.
I will own what I buy.
I will be given access to dedicated server.exe

Step 1
>don't buy Darth Stranding
Step 2
>no harm
Step 3
>only ones harmed are retarded normies and Kojima fanbois
Step 4
>there is no step4

>>713981001
PC gamers have the most prolific and obnoxious presence here it's unreal. Ugly ass motherfuckers too. OP and his PCMR spamming discord. Get therapy PC fanboys and stop spamming the board.

>>713981046
there are only two teams in the US, red jew vs blue jew

>>713980976
You can't sell shit that you then take away. I don't care if you're a solo dev.

>>713981005
That's why you make a github full of resources to help replace middleware services and talk to people who know their shit instead of being a whiny faggot wannabe hero.

>>713978686
over 10 months ago numbnuts, all the dramaslop youtubers thinking his anti-skg stance is recent is bonkers, but they just watch a video of a guy watching a video and give "thor bad" accepted stance
they're on the right side so whatever but goddamn a little due diligence would be appreciated

>>713980976
The only restriction and obligation being a dedicated server button. Conan Exiles and Rust both have that, which is why they will never die even should development cease on both of those games and their developer completely abandon them. This will only work in the favor of the devs as over the years people will continue to buy the game due to word of mouth and community persistence. Killing games to sell NEXT GAME is a short term strategy that promises profits, but does not actually deliver them.

>>713981102
>support it
support it more.*

>>713981016

>>713980535
>>713979880
>>713979801
>>713979573
>>713979483
>>713979151
>>713979117
>[Deleted]

Okay let me make a rebuttal of all the common critques
>this is forcing devs to keep servers up forever
What is community server hosting?
What is peer to peer connection
What is removing artificial server connections from games that dont need them (Hitman and the like)
People are just unaware of alternatives simply because they are used to being treated like cattle.
>this is big government creeping into our lives and having tyranny manifest
Regulating an industry is not tyranny, its how you prevent a healthy free market transforming into a edging towards ancap hell state like the US.
>i hate ecelebs so i wont support anything an eceleb does
Ecelebs also breathe. You should stop doing that too.

>>713980679
You never heard of gay nazi furfags?

>>713980957
Those posts are bait anon, retarded lefties like you use them to circlejerk about feeling "superior" to someone.

>>713977964
Reminder this is some butthurt thirdworlder's anti-American attempt at crying about people coming togethor to demand consumer protection laws.

>>713981061
>ask question
>rabid mongrel somehow turns this into his shill script
you didn't answer the question :D

>>713981092
I signed it already but honestly I was having doubts as to what kind of laws they'd actually think up if any
these threads filled with shills have given me confidence it'll actually hurt them

>>713980724
I mean it's a try. Though successful CI's actually have a good track record of getting legislation.

>>713979394
This change has been a bleessing for me when I do jogging or just walk around, if the quality of the tethered caps is bad is to take on the maker of said bottles, not the EU

>>713980957
Sort of. The 'Right' is a pretty diverse (ideologically) group of voters. You have your corpo cocksuckers for sure though but they're not exactly the majority, they just own half the politicians. Just recently a utah senator just tried to sell ~2m acres of public land off just this week and the resulting backlash pitted right wing corpo cuck libertarian types with the rest of the right and it resulted in the amendment being scrapped because it was so unpopular.

>>713981102
the shilling for the petition on 4chan is dishonest
its a youtube grifter and redditsphere thing, and has no place here
so people who might actually support it on principle spam it with garbage based on a different principle, which is reddit=get out

>>713981190
>regulate
>free market
choose one

when most people are retards, you get shit like this.
In a sane world, nu-Shartman 2016 would have flopped hard.

>>713981168
the dedicated server needs to be supported by money, and if your game is dead then you are perpetually losing money unless you declare bankruptcy

>>713981092
I'm legitimately curious: has there ever been a bigger shill campaign than the anti SKG posters in these threads on the history of 4chan ever?
I genuinely believe this is the largest shill campaign we have ever experienced on this website.

>>713981159
>make a github full of resources
Github full of resources that will magically appear out of thin air, I presume? For those middleware solutions to appear, the demand for them needs to exist first.

>>713981261
you should not try engaging these "people". they are not here to discuss.

>>713981358
>the dedicated server needs to be supported by money
It doesn't. What are you talking about? All online games have dedicated servers, it's just that not all of them are given user access.
>and if your game is dead then you are perpetually losing money unless you declare bankruptcy
What?

>>713981352
He'd probably get more youtube traffic and revenue from just making a game dungeon vid.

>>713981432
dev:
>shall we use this proper middle ware?
>or this buggy middle ware made by trannies and freaks?

situation boils down to consumers demanding a (bunch of other people) do work for free so they can maybe play a 14 year old game once or twice a year before dropping it because its old and it sucks

>>713981483
I know, hence the smile
my bait got one retard to drop the mask

>>713981497
>All online games have dedicated servers,
haa hahaha
they do not, they do naht

>>713981117
Consolefags have absolutely no standards, that's why you are happy to get buttfucked by the corpos everyday.

>>713981417
I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with crate.

>>713981543
>>713981483
>>713981261
you know your tactic is obvious when people can read the reply chain, right?
Scream harder shill. We're getting the signatures and the laws are getting passed.

>>713981583
Do you happen to know of one?

>>713981123
Ok but you don't need to make everything about teams. Everyone wants to own what they buy without it being taken away arbitrarily. Like no matter what your political view. Go ahead and ask anyone if they want things they buy be taken away. You don't need to be part of specific team to say "No, I don't want things I buy be taken away arbitrarily".

>>713981602
consolefags treat videogames like what they are: toys

nothing more

>>713977732 (OP)
Fuck off. I'm not European.

>>713981602
>but PCiggers
yeah, not own anything at all
and have to buy new hardware as soon as master (((Valve))) demands it
Sounds totally master race, as in "yes, masta Valve, I will comply with all your demands"

>>713981432
>Github full of resources that will magically appear out of thin air, I presume?
No, that's what talking to people with experience accomplishes. You faggots have no real solutions other than acting like emotional women. Turns out this sysgenic freak didn't accomplish anything other than kill all future preservation endeavors.

>>713981417
You must be pretty new lmao, there have been bigger ones, like during GG and the 2016 election. You're right though that this is a massive effort, it's definitely one of the biggest shill campaigns ever.

The all-time biggest is probably Qanon, if you don't count the republican propaganda that's been running 24/7 on /pol/ for something like 10 years now.

>>713981354
Copyright is a regulation

>>713981528
This initiative wouldn't apply retroactively. It would only apply to games that will be developed in the future which means that they will be created with a end-of-life solution in mind.

>>713981497
if I buy something cosmetic on your always online game then I own that thing and you have no right to close the game even if it's dead. You are forced to keep it always online.

>>713981657
I mean a real commie would be what is this "buy"? Everyone just gets things according to their need and shit.

>>713981602
Go to /r/PCMR with your therapy session fellow spammers and keep your advertising campaign off this site. Not your personal army has been in the rules for over a decade. Fucking get out ugly bald PC fanboy. Sign your petition in hell.

>>713981653
Dark Souls uses Peer-To-Peer as most games, retard.

>>713981193
I think I like them more than niggers now.

>>713981684
Weak

>>713977732 (OP)
I'm sorry but I'm not signing this thing purely for the reason that it asks for my personal identifying numbers off of ID cards, passports, etc. I know this is standard procedure and whatever but I'm not giving those details up to some random petition like this.

>>713981670
My condolences

>>713981695
not really.
it secures that the one who made $thing, can sell $thing
otherwise I could sell the latest Call Of Duty myself, which makes no sense, because I didn't create it in the first place.

>>713981352
Ross is losing money on this campaign. He has postponed his full length movie and several videos to support this campaign. He's powered by autism, not greed.

>>713981713
Is that a problem?

>>713981761
It's an EU site, they have that info to begin with.

>>713981845
maybe his autism should simply NOT BUY THESE SHITTY GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE

Why do leftists push so hard against SKG? It makes no sense but it keeps happening.

>>713981629
you know your tactic is obvious when people can read the reply chain, right?
Scream harder shill.

>>713981805
Who enforces copyright?

>>713981894
That hasn't worked before and it won't work now, kill yourself shilljeet.

>>713981847
for smaller and mid sized devs, I would believe so

I added 15 fraudulent signatures in the hopes that once it gets pushed up to 1m and they validate everything, it crashes back down due to failed validation.

It's pretty quick to sign up, and you can get names+addresses and ID #'s off TOR easy and cheap, cost me $5

>>713981902
>wants source code for free from all sorts of companies
>that's right wing
sounds like commie to me

>>713981761
>I'm sorry but I'm not signing this thing purely for the reason that it asks for my personal identifying numbers off of ID cards,
All I had to do was to put in my name, my street and house number, birthday and solve a captcha.

>>713981960
Then sell the game instead och pngs

> dunks on skiggers
> refuse to elaborate at first
> eventually elaborates in a 37 minute video
I wish I had a father

>>713981928
Who enforces anti-thievery?
Take a look at New York. Police doesn't enforce it, so customers do. They will punch you when you steal shit, because you are hurting these paying customers too.

>>713981845
>Ross is losing money on this campaign
It's not lost money if you are promoting your personal brand.

>>713981972
You should stop falseflagging and baiting now, it's past your bedtime.

>>713981713
You can get a server you can host yourself with all the cosmetics unlocked. Enjoy.

>>713981735
It offloads the process to the player, but online access is still managed by the central Bandai Namco server that hosts the p2p client. Aka a dedicated server. You can't play the original Dark Souls online right now for example, without spoofing the client precisely because of it, since it had been shut down after a malicious exploit had been discovered and Namco decided not to bother trying to fix it and just pulled the plug on the online service.

>>713982049
>stop disagreeing with me right now, it's not allowed
>where is the downvote button anyways? this website is so confusing

>>713981354
Wrong wording but general idea remains the same. Having companies with bad business practices and saying "VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET" doesn't work like that. Otherwise Disney would have gone bankrupt years ago. Regulation exists because you need to have some protections.
Like a common sense regulation is to not have companies dump raw waste into a river that people source water from. Your proposed solution is "LETS GET EVERYONE TO NOT BUY FROM THEM" while they're still dumping shit into the river.

>>713982010
you are effectively killing this as an option of monetization for smaller devs, they can't make a game like old League of Legends which depended on Skin sales. The risk is way too big.

>>713981845
>He has postponed his full length movie and several videos to support this campaign.
Yeah making a faggy jewtube video is so hard, this nigger's literally bearing a cross.

>>713981986
>all I had to do was dox myself, lol

>>713981956
>it doesn't work
Okay, I don't buy Ubislop
Now what?
How will it hurt me, when I don't have that game?
It doesn't. End of story.

>>713982049
>we are not commies
>we just want shit for free (as always)
t. commie

>just give us the source to your whole engine brah
t. commie

>>713981720
Kk but this commie is still part of capitalist society even if they wants to change it.
And I am like 99.9999% sure that said commie isn't happy that corporations are taking things away that the commie paid for. Like you gotta try and find most retarded excuses and examples at this point. "What if the ancap says 'the corpo has right to do that because in deal it read that'?". Like no, of course they don't support it because it is against basic fucking commerce.

>>713982032
So the government enforces copyright and it prevents you from selling certain things, but it's not a regulation?

>>713981956
Maybe it didn't work for you because you're to retarded to be fiscaly responsible and you get distracted if somebody jingles a set of keys in front of you but that is not the case for everyone else

>>713981805
Bootlicker cope

>>713981761
>Im not gonna tell my mom my name because i value privacy.
Every time someone writes this, they are not form EU.

>>713982092
>but online access is still managed by the central Bandai Namco server
No, it's using PSN services, it works.
>but PC
PC is garbage.

>>713982124
Would it be bad to not have league of legends?

>>713982194
>>713982136
Sorry sweetie, you can screech all you want but the petition is on track to getting a million signatures. Laws are gonna be passed and you're gonna be able to play videogames you bought for as long as you want. How tragic.

>>713982198
>everything should be free
t. commie

>>713982179
not really, otherwise so many PCiggers wound't have destroyed PC gaming by stealing games.

>>713982098
Who are you quoting?

I thought this movement was kinda stupid but I realize a lot of games are requiring online for dumb DRM reasons

>>713982295
Then this won't be a regulation either

>>713981761
They already have basic information like names if you're a EU citizen. You should be more worried about Google, Facebook, or Palantir. The European Union has never leaked personal information. They report data breaches and hold companies accountable. Just look up GDPR or EDPS. The only reason you can block cookies and use an adblocker is because of the EU.

>>713982265
>please sign my petition
fuck off
>more laws
great, now games get even more expensive and lawyers will simply add something to the EULA to get over it, cope

>>713982328
Dark Souls is a PS3 game, not a PC game.

>>713982127
being fair dude is
>having to talk with multiple representatives and interviewers
>having to translate documents and
>look up legal frameworks of a dozen different countries and figure out whats legal and what isnt so he isn't violating the law
>consult with experts on what to do and who to contact for the best efforts
>direct volunteer efforts
while postponing what actually is making him money because he's investing himself in something that's bleeding him.
You sound retarded because clearly you've never had to deal with legalese. It's a full time job dude.

>>713978789
this but with Concord copyright Sony Computer Entertainment

we need a Start Killing Games initiative to kill shit games and gacha and all the third world AIslop flooding steam and mobile game stores

>>713982363
it is.
it's the opposite of a free market.

>>713980816
>>makes game development even more expensive and risky
BASED BASED BASED

>>713982448
It's not, it will work exactly like copyright

>>713982382
i'm sure most of those will still be relevant when you get your ass dragged to fight the russians on behalf of frace who starts the war like the retards they are then forces everyone other EU member to become canon fodder for them.

>>713982401
You have ads on your gay videos, right faggot? Fuck off.

>>713982492
so it won't work at all, got it.

>>713977732 (OP)
Massive TRUTH NUKE incoming!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57XQu1XMNTk

Thor is NOT wrong! It is YOU who is the problem! stop signing this crap petition!

>>713979929
> food analogy
fuck off

>>713982194
no i just like eating shit and need eu to regulate on its consistency.

>>713982295
>he thinks piracy is what's destroying gaming
Lmao. You're retarded.

>>713982515
Copyright works when applied to corporations you dunce

>>713982130
>I AM NOT GOING TO DOX MYSELF TO THE EU, AN ENTITY THAT ALREADY KNOWS WHERE I LIVE

>>713981845
Parasocial relationship. PC fanboy. Balding toxic PC fanboy. PCMR therapy circlejerk advertising begging thread.

>>713978105
so long, judas!

>FUCKING COMMIES ARE AT IT AGAIN
FUCK OFF MAKE YOUR OWN GAMES YOU WON'T GET FREE SOURCE CODE
LEARN TO REVERSE ENGINEER IF YOU WANT TO USE OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK

>>713982265
To tell you the truth i have no dog in this fight ,so pass or no pass,it's all the same to me

>>713978049
Based

>>713982540
But is not cow dung cake sir?

>>713982521
it got shit-ported years later to some shit platforms, like PC.
Still a PS3 game. It's a successor to Demon's Souls, which was PS3 only.
Fuck PCs.
PS3 version works fine.

>>713981761
You're an idion. This is on the offical EU government site. They already have your ID information, that's how they check when you are entering the EU from the outside when you are coming back from vacation. This is how they check when you vote in European elections.
>b-but people told me that this was a videogame petition
Not a petition. This is a European Citizens Initiative about videogames.

>>713982609
Why? This is easier.

>>713982502
Hey, orc. How's life at the botfarm?

>>713982320
What I haven't seen is a good reason for someone to be agressively against it. If it's just a dude going "meh don't care" and moves on, it's cool, but people constantly arguing and making up strawmen to derail the whole thing is retarded.

>>713982659
>signatures with a list of grievances
so a petition you disingenuous little faggot

>>713982553
>9/10 PCiggers steal
>that's not destroying anything

>>713982638
I use GOG exclusively but i still signed the petition since it could lead to more DRM free games.

>>713982659
>signatures with a list of grievances
so a petition you disingenuous little faggot

>>713982502
>russian bot

>>713982675
newfag

>>713982507
>he thinks youtube works purely passively and generates infinite wealth forever
youre fucking stupid. Youtube works on a retention based algorithm. It wants you to upload daily or also upload hour long videos as the design of youtube. The more time you spend away from youtube the less likely you are to be promoted in the algorithm and the less viewer retention you get the more likely the algorithm will drop you.
why are you complaining when you don't understand how anything works and rolling your eyes. do you even have a job?

>>713982659
>they already have your ID
Everyone signing this shit gets marked as communist.

>>713982675
>What I haven't seen is a good reason for someone to be agressively against it
the type of people supporting it is good enough reason for me

I look at them and the other shit they believe, and even if I'm not sure what the details of the initiative are, I know it must be a fuckup because it's them behind it.

>>713982609
Asking lintroons to learn2code is a sisyphean task.

God I hate Europeans PC fanboys the most

>>713982127
It takes time.

>>713982738
GAAS is actually the only real way for companies to keep their games from being pirated. All other DRM, even Denuvo, can be defeated. The initiative passing would be a massive win for both consumers and pirates.

>>713980650
>>713980650
God, I love the UCTD and the fact it no-sells 80% of every US-centric EULA in existence, right off the bat.

>>713982783
>owning your videogames makes you a communist
Dumb zoomer.

>>713978028
A petition just like this forced Apple to move to USB-C

>>713982849
140 IQ post

PCiggers create the PC hell themselves
I wouldn't care, but it affects consoles too.
We need a final solution for PCiggers.

>>713982659
I don't fucking care about the EU and what it has to offer. I want out of it. They're trying to build NATO bases in my country to use them to fight Russians through via Proxy and then drag me and my while country by extent of that proxy into a World War. Fuck off.

>>713982739
A legally constituted citizen initiative

>people who still think air conditioners are forbidden technology trying to dictate to the rest of the world the direction game design will go in

I don't think so.

>>713982295
>regulations are good when they benefit corporations
>regulations are bad when they benefit the people
Jews like you belong in the oven

>>713982782
Start ebegging if your spammed adds on your shitty videos aren't enough to make a living from passive income. Or get a real job instead.

>>713982887
>owning anything
>PC
choose one

>>713982923
so a petition?

>>713982849
>GAAS is actually the only real way for companies to keep their games from being pirated.
Why should I care?

Can European PCMR go back to their shithole /g/ and reddit/r/GCJ

>>713982524
WTF based

>>713982797
Better than being on the side of the furry, but you do you

i dont get why these posters keep posting the exact thing that agitates me and gets me to keep replying to them it makes no sense

>>713982931
>retard actually believes air conditioners are something no one in europe uses

>>713982564
To be fair, you are putting your name to a political cause. Who knows who will get their hands on those databases in the future, and who they decide is a traitor to whatever extremist cause they might represent?
Granted, this is a benign issue. But if someone takes over who thinks consumer law is only pushed by dissidents, then you might just get the bullet in 20 years.

>>713982914
Why is ubisoft paying you to shill this thread if you're just going to outsource your work to AI? Couldn't they just cut out the middleman and do that themselves?

>>713982935
in reality copyright protects indies.
without copyright, corporations could steal whatever they want and sell it themselves.

>>713982968
Yeppers.

Can we keep games but kill devs? I'd like that.

>>713982969
A method of inducing change with a proven track record

>>713977732 (OP)
>Twitter
I don't use any social media. Best I can do is sign up to Twitch with my spare gmail account.

>>713978067
It's not gaining momentum because of hatred towards him. It's gaining momentum because e-celebs are finally talking about it again.

>>713979128
That's just not true. Unless people were literally spamming it.

>>713980315
More and more games are being made with always-online DRM, even games which look like they should be offline games.

>>713983016
I don't believe it. I know it.

>>713982656
So it's either PSN that runs it via Namco Bandai licensing or your own console via its network card + software, in which case it's you acting as a dedicated server. P2P is just the protocol. Stop being dumb.

>>713982295
Piracy worked as free advertisement for games. A pirated game later starts to sell, especially if it was good, because the pirate starts to suggest the game to his friends or online.
Also, if games are mainstream today, we owe it to the PS2 piracy era which popularized games.

Not enough? EU paid a lot of menoy to commission a study to demostrate that piracy hurted sales.
They later hidden everything because the study did not give the hoped results. The study did not manage to demostrate that piracy hurted sales.

>>713982975
I'm saying it's a good thing for GAAS to be destroyed by this initiative, because it means more games can be pirated.

>>713983031
>Ubislop
Has nothing to do with Ubislop but with gaming as a whole.
Denuvo only exists because of PCiggers
Fortnite only exists because of PCiggers

We should gas PCiggers, gaming could heal afterwards.

>>713982721
Are you a consolebaby? Also source?
https://www.advanced-television.com/2022/10/11/survey-video-game-piracy-set-to-rise/
the documents ive found put it closer to like 1 in 10.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/10/the-true-cost-of-game-piracy-20-percent-of-revenue-according-to-a-new-study/
This one claims denuvo cracks cause a loss in income but at 20% rather than a full on like 80% like youre suggesting once again implying that pirates are a minority rahter than a majority

>>713982385
Pretending to be against regulation when this entire problem is created by copyright laws is retarded. If copyright didn't last entire centuries, then this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

>>713982675
well this is /v/ a contrarian board

video games should be banned for over 25's and all men not in the work force should be enslaved and sent to labor camps

>>713981761
>>713982130
You're not giving your ID to a "petition". You're submitting it to your local government through an official EU website. Anyone who is involved in it already has full access to your ID - that's how they check for fraudulent votes.

>>71398293
You're fucking retarded. If you spend less time working on a non profit source rather than working on your income you make less money. How are you this dense?

>>713983126
You never grew out of your cod phase eh?

>>713982524
Why would I not be apathetic when first of all, most of the games coming out are not worth caring about, and second of all, I stopped engaging as often with them since I have other, more important work and things to take care of than those alone now that I stopped being a teenager with shit ton of time on his hands and no plan for the future?

I don't care what happens to the market anymore, I don't need new amazing games to come out every single year and to go mainstream. If I ever want to play something, I'll just look through past ones that came out which I haven't got to play yet and try those. If not, I'll look at indies or something else.

Only the PCMR needs a public therapy session and massive spamming begging for personal army. Even more pathetic are the European PC fanboys. Glad you're all balding age age 55.

>>713983096
>licensing
no, PSN offers the connectivity.
PC only has garbage APIs, like Steam-slop, which is shit and doesn't deliver what PSN can.
Cope
>PSN is dedicated servers
well duh, you fucking moron, how are accounts or trophies or shop purchases or downloads supposed to work, you dumb imbecile?

Fact is: Dark Souls itself has NO DEDICATED SERVERS, it's peer to peer. Therefore nothing can be turned off. Therefore you are full of shit.

>>713983194
I thought it was for video games

>>713982968
Physical copies are becoming licenses now. This at least for Switch 2, but soon everyone will follow.

remember when /v/ started pretending to not like elden ring after it became massively popular?

>>713983149
>claims
>we know better than the companies that use Denuvo
>YOU CAN'T MEASURE US THIEVES
>wait, here you can through magic
kys, thief

>>713978105
so long judas

>>713983237
>look at me ive given up why dont you give up too
Defeatist losers like you deserve the rope.

>>713983337
>literally sources cited show loss in profit based off time in denuvo cracks
Are you fucking stupid?

>>713983087
Nigger, even villagers and the poor have ACs in their homes. There are just some people who can handle the heat and don't want to install an AC. And many countries don't have extreme heat so they don't even need it. I don't think you'd need an AC in Sweden and Ireland. But you would in Portugal and Italy.

>>713983219
We could start cutting their fingers off.
And when all 10 fingers care off, we gas them.

>>713983320
>but but Shitch 2
I don't give a shit.
I got a juge backlog.
And I'm not the moron who complies like fucking Steamies, who destroyed PC gaming 20 years ago.

>>713983337
Thank you paypiggy

>>713980931
Who are you talking about? Because Ross is pretty far away from any of that

>>713983263
>it's not a dedicated server, it's a dedicated server using a peer to peer protocol
Kek

>>713983403
>Nigger, even villagers and the poor have ACs in their homes.

>>713983401
>sources
"we asked thieves, and they say they totally buy stuff sometimes"

>>713980373
>regulates loot boxes and forces refunds in your way
heh, nothing personal kid

>>713983339
What giving up? I literally just told you I have more important things to do in life now than to sit around, jerk off and then play every single possible combination of videogames for hundreds of hours on end in the same week. Grow up.

Tendie vibes from the guys against this initiative

>>713983449
>Steam is dedicated servers, therefore all games are using dedicated servers
Wow, we got a brainlet here.
>Splatoon are using dedicated servers too
t. smooth brain

>>713983405
How did "Steamies" even destroy PC gaming?

>>713983518
"we asked devs, and they say they totally lost one sale per pirated download"

>>713983567
>WE DEMAND MORE EU REGULATION!!!
sounds gay
>YOU ARE A NAZI, SIGN OUR PETITION OR YOU ARE EVIL
no

>>713981528
consumers buy game and play game, or not, depending on the value offering. the word you're looking for is "communists".

>>713980672
>because they can't handle the fact that all things end
What a retarded non-argument for not preserving games. The heat death of the universe doesn't really matter in regards to preserving things that can actually be preserved. You know, like video games

>>713980672
Do you think that in order to run a server you need the source code? What? It's like any other piece of software that fulfills a certain function on a computer. The only reason why you would need the source code is if you want to keep developing it. I'm going to assume that games at the end of their life cycle aren't going to get any further updates that would require people to update the server tools.

>>713983518
This literally based off of profits in sales based off when the denuvo crack was released and how it effected sales figures. This has literally NOTHING to do with the pirates opinions or figures
Why are you willfully acting like a moron?
As for surveys why would they lie on something with no ramifications. Yes, even thieves occasionally buy shit you retard. You can't always steal everything under the sun.

>>713980724
Why would they?

>>713983567
Literally making threads just so they can pretend to be against it, only children and actual industry shill would give enough fucks to come here to act like a retarted contrarian.

>>713983570
All online games utilize dedicated servers, yes. Otherwise there's no online connectivity. The user is rarely the host these days, instead that is offloaded to a central server ran by the company that manages the incoming connections. You do realize that it's still a dedicated server even if you are not the one hosting it and instead it's some PC in San Diego. Or do you imagine that PSN is a magical hivemind of PS3's talking to one another to form one big powerful supercomputer? Because it's not like that at all. The online connectivity of PSN games is guaranteed by countless dedicated servers running on their in-house software stack. Each game with an online component that is present on PSN has its own software that acts as such.

>>713982524
You're either a moron, or a planted shill using wilfull misrepresentation.
The actual video is scalding towards EU citizens NOT signing the petition and remaining on their ass instead; including bullshit reasoning as not wanting to hand PII to the EU. (Which already *has* all your PII - duh?)
And it is scalding towards EU-based streamers like Pewdiepie NOT giving this coverage.

It is literally calling you out to FUCKING SIGN THE THING so you can secure the legal right to own the product you paid money for, because otherwise what is the point to buy it in the first place.

>>713983518
You don't seem to grasp that there is a very high chance that a pirate wouldn't have bought the game anyway. Also this >>713983102

>>713983658
Who is calling people who doesn't sign it "nazis"?

>>713983420
Really? So why didn't he organize something and networked with other people before making a petition? Seems like attention seeking for his failed channel.

>>713983413
Thanks for creating Fortnite.

>>713983738
>you can compare one game with another completely different game at a different time
you can't, smooth brain

>>713977732 (OP)
Why isn't there a thread on >>/vmg/ about this? 90% of the actual offenders are smartphone games.

Wouldn't the gacha sloppers salivate about the ability to preserve their games (and their $100-$1000+ "investments")? iirc there were historically plenty of mobile games with servers that just shut down and wiped hundreds if not thousands of dollars per player by rendering the games 100% unplayable.

>>713983765
PSN does matchmaking services and account login
that's it

therefore all games using these services, are not using dedicated servers, but instead going peer to-peer, which is what Dark Souls is doing and they did that to keep the game online, which works.

Meanwhile with Steam-slop that doesn't work, because Steam is garbage.
Cope PCigger

>>713983827
He did, you uninformed retard. That's why the first piratesoftware video on it is from 10 months ago. Ross explicitly avoided attention seeking behavior by engaging with that faggot back then, even though the drama would have boosted his channel. If boosting his channel would have been his motive he wouldn't have started this shit a month before the petition ends in an desperate attempt to save it. He could have milked that for a year.

>>713983807
>I wouldn't have boughted the game anyway
Good, so it's not a problem that it's locked behind Denuvo and you can't play it then.

>>713983932
it's impossible to put into words how braindead the average gachafag is

>>713981168
Stop being so antisemitic

>>713983932
>preserve gaem
>by giving me all paid content for freesies
t. commie

>>713983932
Gacha players are not the same species as people that play other games. They're addicted to the process of unlocking characters, not actually owning anything they unlocked permanently.

>>713984075
So instead of making a council of sorts to actually achieve something, he just tried to boost his dead channel alone if this succeeded. Total redditor who's now getting all the attention and is getting troll shielded by other faggot ecelebs.

>>713983914
>immediately changes argument when he realizes its deadweight
God you're stupid
You can compare the drop in sales figures in sum along with something called an "average" which is how we figure out when averaging different things. Yes people are more likely to buy things during sales or during christmas and such. However by gathering a lot of datapoints you can smooth out the irregularities by comparing it from multiple sources and seeing how heavily it effects sales figures in the sum of all video games measured in the study thus deducing a general pattern. This is how statistics work. That's basic common sense shit and how we measure multiple datapoints
READ A FUCKING BOOK. ANY GODDAMN BOOK. You're fucking dense man.

>>713984000
>more non-answers and screeching
Steam is garbage, but all games utilize dedicated servers, regardless of the protocols employed.

>>713984086
That is indeed a problem for the customer, but you can't even grasp something so simple like this.
It's impressive you even manage to write, with an IQ this low.

>>713979202
Because the ask is childishly unreasonable.

Without googling, name one single game that has been "killed" and you can’t play anymore

>>713984463
Kingdom Under Fire 2.

>>713983827
He is absolutely not seeking attention. He is maybe not the brightest and autistic, but he is not a grifter. He is one of the few losers making videos on the internet I can say that about.

>>713984463
https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list

>>713984247
I'm pretty sure the point is to make the games be playable offline after the servers shut down (viaba patch or whatever) or make the game possible being hosted via community servers,after the officials get killed.
But I know you are being disingenous on purpose

>>713984463
Shitty online only games like darkspore.

>>713984247
1. You can at least somewhat prevent that by exporting each player's data and having them import it when they start playing. Players could share their "saves" between each other, BUT read point 2:
2. The original company is not charging for anything anymore and they are not losing any money. So who cares? It's abandonware, money isn't being made.

>>713983403
>Italy
most people here don't have ACs

>>713984579
And how do you propose devs do that? It’s really not as simple as you guys are suggesting it is.

>>713984550
No merit or solutions, just validation and attention seeking.

>>713984632
They don't even have mosquito nets.

>>713984570
>without googling it
I win :)

>>713978702
Because TOS are not legally binding in the EU. This isn't america they simply don't matter there to begin with. Furthermore the EU has different laws regarding contracts making sure they can't be unfair to the consumer and has laws that give the consumer rights regarding his purchase, the availability of it and how the company has to support them. Did you know you are legally obliged to support software products with security patches for almost a decade there? There's a lot of other laws regarding digital products as well, making sure the company can't just take away access or include planned obsolescence.

You might not like it but that's the place the EU is. It's not america. Your TOS is worthless. They are already entitled by existing law to a lot of shit.

>>713984627
So why don’t you guys just reverse engineer the game instead of demanding extra labor from the devs?

>>713984652
Just patch it to work offline.
Polyphony did it with GTsport, or release the tools to male a server.
But idk really, I don't play online only games

>>713984086
>>713984416
And I even forgot to mention that Denuvo gets cracked several times in a few weeks, if not days. It's a problem almost exclusive for actual customers which rightfully are the ones that complain about it.

>>713984627
>just export the games you purchased
>import them afterwards
>hurr durr
>export your account name too
>import it afterwards, just trust me brah
t. commie thief

>>713984746
Online games are designed to need a server. It’s not as simple as “just patch it!”

You guys are essentially asking for the devs to refactor their client/server infrastructure at a time where they no longer have the revenue to pay someone to do that for them.

>>713984704
yeah

>>713984293
He got in contact with lawyers and people that know the terrain of EU law and how to get lawmakers to pay attention to the issue. The last 2 years of channel updates and streams were him and begging people to write him e-mails to guide him through the process since he recognizes that he's too uninformed on the topic to achieve anything on his own which is how the Stop Killing Games initiative came to be in the first place. The people that helped him are not e-celebs, they're experts in the field.

>>713984579
>just give us the source of your server
fuck off commie
>just give us all the 3rd party libraries you are using
fuck off commie

>>713984632
>>713984704
Jesus fuck

>>713983087
>Switches on AC.
You're wrong.

>>713984863
How come polyphony managed to do it tho?
Remember that GT sport was online only. You needed to be connected to play it

>>713984835
>they are all complaining, except that Denuvo gets removed later
nice try, thief.
no one is falling for your bait.
everyone purchases Denuvo games intentionally to disrupt thievery.
And to be honest, we would kill you if we could, swine.

>>713984863
Or they can just give people the servers they used to host their games.
>where they no longer have the revenue to pay someone to do that for them.
In that case they should declare bankruptcy and sell off their assets until they can. That's how it works when you are unable to meet your legal financial obligations.

>>713984942
>He got in contact with lawyers and people that know the terrain of EU law and how to get lawmakers to pay attention to the issue.
Yeah to file a petition with no resources and no one to boost his cause. What's the point if you get nothing done in the end? What's the end goal here other than jewtube views?

>>713984948
Than just patch it to work offline

>>713985041
>just give us your work for free
>it's not like this would be a security risk as well
>it's not like companies reuse code

>>713984741
So why are you
>asking for a refund when you buy a dysfunctional/broken product
>asking for a refund or free repair when a product you buy breaks itself while under warranty
instead of repairing it yourself without any instructions/documentation?

Wheres the vote for Europe to start deporting migrants?

>>713983219
>cod phase
Just call it what it is: infancy.

>>713977732 (OP)
>literally announcing a raid
At this point im starting to think these threads are false flags

>>713985107
>just
>just patch Fortnite so it works offline w/ 100 player split screen
brainlet

>>713985147
Why deporting? That cost money. Just execute them

>>713984741
Because that's literally illegal according to EULA. and multiple projects have been shut down for doing that
>>713984863
It depends on what game and what type of always online desu, some literally contain all the information on the disk and just check the company servers to let it play. Some contain parts of the game that are then tracked in the multiplayer aspects while others literally need the servers to function. Also not having an end of life plan is retarded and bad practice and business speaking of a company who most definitely shouldnt be running that service to begin with. Its highly unprofessional to just discontinue a service without at least something beyond "youre shit outta luck folks" and speaks of a lack of forethought.

>>713983827
Ross has been speaking out about this for over a decade. Ross has reached out and been in contact with numerous people. He's been the front man because no one else wants to, and he hates it

>>713985147
you can also sign a petition for that, which gety your ID flagged as racist and bigot and you will go to the gulags

>>713985124
>what is community hosted server tools
are you retarded?

>>713985212
>what are bots
Ok retard

>>713983263
>White-knighting PSN as having better connectivity and networking APIs than Steam.
Wow. There's retards, and then there's you.
Did you know Steam has an entirely seperate internet's worth of peering between backbone providers, such that if one of the major ISPs around the world ever shits its pants, Steam's infrastructure can switch to the failover and is not affected?

Yeah- PSN DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

>>713985124
>for free
It's not for free if I paid money for it. Ensuring that the game works was part of what I paid them money for.
>it's not like this would be a security risk
That is none of my concern.
>it's not like companies reuse code
Code has nothing to do with it. Compiled server binaries =|= source code. You've been repeating this for a year now.

>>713985290
>just give us the source of your server lel
fuck off commie

>>713985018
Because they are good. Good game devs are the exception, not the norm.

>>713985041
It’s not that simple. Take wow for example: they could give you their server but you still have to figure out the authentication pattern and server needs lol.

You guys don’t appreciate the type of infrastructure that goes into these projects.

>>713985291
funnily enough fortnite has already bots

>>713985147
uhhh just dont worry about it
but you better sign our next video game regulation initiative or you are literally hitler

>>713985092
A citizen's initiative is not a petition you retard. It literally is proposing a law to pass to lawmakers.

>>713985356
Well, Dark Souls on PS3 still works.
Dark Souls on PC doesn't.
Therefore Steam-slop is worse than PSN.
Simple fact.

>>713985382
you paid money for A COPY of the game, not for the rights to the source code, brainlet.

>>713985092
I don't get your point at all. Ross himself has said that he didn't want to be in charge of this, and that he did the best with what he had. More than anyone else has. And It's sitting at 640k signatures now, so I'd say he's done pretty well all things considered

>>713978505
congrats on being surrounded by NPCs

>>713985138
Are you asking for a refund years after you’ve bought the product?

>>713985291
Lmao so now the game devs have to design bot logic after their game is dead?

>>713985403
Than they should just force devs to be good

Dedicated server bros we're going home...

>>713985382
>just give us your server binaries
lol, do commies really?
>we can make it work somehow
>by decompiling it
fuck off commie

>>713985387
i know zoomers cant be this dense because they have minecraft which had dedicated server hosting tools. What are you a baby? do you watch cocomelon?

>>713985034
What bait? Objective facts? Denuvo gets removed after several years it was already cracked.
>everyone purchases Denuvo games intentionally to disrupt thievery
As if... The customers hate it because they are the ones facing the negative conseguences...

>>713985215
> and speaks of a lack of forethought.
lol how many early access games are on Steam again? You’re asking for an ideal that simple doesn’t exist and you’re angry that people are laughing at the ask.

>>713985484
Good thing that source code is neither needed nor included in my proposal then.

>>713984741
Because reverse engineering a modern game is nearly infeasible. Even a decently sized team of experts with funding would need years if not decades.

What extra work would devs even have by providing their fucking compiled binaries and documentation? Why can't or shouldn't they be forced to take this into consideration from the beginning of the development? It won't be any extra work at all because it wouldbe part of your normal process.

>>713985561
they should fire all leftie devs?
that I can agree with.
Where's a petition for that?
Ban all lefties from game development.

>>713985624
>Mineslop
We are talking about real games here, not pathetic LEGO for children.

>>713984463
Irrelevant to whether or not you want the practice to stop

>>713985557
>>713985409

>>713985213
B-b-based!

>>713985290
Something only valve does. If you want valve to be the industry standard you should have made your petition about that.

>>713982915
>>713982502
no wait its russians that are buttmad about EU doing something good LMAO

>>713985594
>try decompiling it
>get nothing because decompiling something provides a broken garbled mess without the source code
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>713985664
>just give us a binary
>binary doesn't work on our systems
>waaaahhhh
>waaahhhhhhh
>you also need MSSQL Pro server license too
>waaaaaahhhhhh
>waaaaaahhhhh
Whoever wrote that proposal is retarded and has no clue about computers.

>>713977732 (OP)
cringe
kys

Do you think that fat fuck from Kiwifarms latching onto the movement has done it more harm than good?

>>713985698
>ban all lefties
I wish man...

>>713985249
>over a decade
>Ross has reached out and been in contact with numerous people
Who are these people? Where are his resources and solutions after 10+ years?
>He's been the front man because no one else wants to
Yeah no one else but him wants to play old games that don't have servers anymore.
>and he hates it
What a lie. Just seeing the video that was shilled you'll figure out that it has the most views out of anything he put out this year.
>>713985540
>I'm gonna be a hero and save video games by myself
>the petition is failing!!
>RAPEEEE!!

>>713985561
Then you would have no games

>>713985779
>imaginary situation where things happen as anon says they should
>I win

>>713985760
>it doesn't work
projects like ScummVM show that you are retarded.

>>713985692
> Because reverse engineering a modern game is nearly infeasible
So is refactoring your server infrastructure AFTER your game is dead, which is what this petition is suggesting should be legally required.

>>713985664
You won't get extra dev time so they redesign the entire game to work for those 3 people who care about playing offline when the new iteration of the game is already out with working online.

>>713985863
that's reality.
Binary could be for Windows 8 Server.
It doesn't work on Windows 11.
It doesn't work with latest MSSQL.
Now what, you dumb fuck retard.

>>713985798
Only harm can come from a cp hoster that drinks 6l of coke on a daily basis and eats pizza on Fridays to lose weight.

>friendless morons making contrarianism their only pastime and form of personality, going against their own interests by willfully misinterpreting this initiative
at least the furfag has a monetary interest in pretending to be against it, and mental damage that prevents him from admitting fault. you "people" have no excuse for your actions.

>>713985698
Leftists should be fired from every position of power. They are the ones that dominated the first world and the main reason that caused the fall of the West.

I propose to turn California into a prison country, and send every leftist from USA, Canada, and Europe in there.

>>713985954
These people don’t know a thing about how servers work.

>>713985965
pretty sure he eats pizza most days

>>713985652
>comparing steam early access to fucking hosting a server for a multiplayer game
Any multiplayer game made by indie devs in recent memory that's on steam uses peer to peer or community servers rather than a company hosted server you fucking mongolid. You're saying that a poor little indie dev would own a fucking server to host an entire fucking game platform on yet at the same time not be able to ever offer end of life access or somehow not be able to do so. You've constructed an entire scenario with an imaginary developer. Most indie devs wouldn't be shouldering the cost of a fucking server to begin with because they're expensive in the first place and rely on hosting tools via steam or peer 2 peer.

still ticking along bros

>>713985624
thats my point if even baby's first game can do it then why cant you.

>>713977732 (OP)
>SAAR SIGN THE PETITION SAAAAAAR

>>713985965
How is he a CP Hoster when he's vehemently anti-loli?

>>713985871
If anything projects like that only server to prove the viability of this initiative, since LucasArts did not lose their IP as a result of it. Imagine how much faster and easier this could have been done if they were granted documentation to work on this instead of having to remake the engine from zero?

>>713985954
List that as system requirements to run the server and then wash your hands off the problem.

>>713985092
>Yeah to file a petition with no resources and no one to boost his cause
There were people boosting it a year ago. It just was within Ross's sphere of influence, which weren't big Youtube drama slop tubers like PirateSoftware.

For instance:
https://youtu.be/01qkVPQxDA4?t=2172

>>713986150
it's not going to reaching goal before the month ends lmao. get absolutely fucked.

>>713985850
>Who are these people?
I don't know, but some of them are those who made the inititative itself, because Ross obviously can't do that. He said he reached out to Youtubers, but most of them didn't respond
>Where are his resources and solutions after 10+ years?
You're looking at it. And no, he hasn't been working for over a decade to solve the problem, but he has been reporting on it and featured games such as Darkspore and Battleforge
>Yeah no one else but him wants to play old games that don't have servers anymore.
Objectively false
>What a lie. Just seeing the video that was shilled you'll figure out that it has the most views out of anything he put out this year.
All his regular content is much more popular than the SKG content he's been releasing for the last year. Anyone who actually watches his content knows this
>i'm gonna be a hero and save video games by myself
Ross didn't want to be the one to do it and always said the probability of success was low. You've made a guy up in your mind and you've called him Ross

>>713986078
Steam quite literally gives the code FOR FREE so devs can achieve what you’re asking for.

They are the only company with the talent and infrastructure to manage this, and that’s because they’ve been doing it for decades.

>>713985935
>just create a new server model over and over again

>>713986170
The neko shota guy who hosted loli on 9chan, phile and hebe on 16 chan is not a pedo? You sure about that one Jewsh?

>>713986317
That’s literally what happens, friend.

>>713985741
>something only valve does
>only valve has community hosted servers
holy shit, how is everyone underaged
Community hosted servers are a common component to multiplayer games you moron.
it was common practice from like the 90s to 2000s how do you not know about community servers?

>>713986187
actually that is the case for ScummVM, but that's because they are not supporting thievery and also keep NDAs secret.

So the opposite of the commies, who want stuff for free.

When this fucking shitty petition fails (and it will) all of you fucking commie bastards should get on your knees and apologize to thor

>>713986187
>hurrr it requires Windows 2000
>your problem now
that's idiotic and shows how brain dead even the proposal is.

>>713986315
That's literally what im saying. It wouldnt be the dev's own server. That would be a steamworks issue.

>>713986170
You don't know? He wanted to have a database of CP hosted on a site he could hand over to the FBI

>>713983401
How exactly are those "losses" calculated, anyway?

>>713979595
( ' >

>>713986413
they are not.
it's only common for Half-slop, but that's a shit game.

>>713986378
no, it doesn't.
Remember Wii online services shutting down?
That wasn't actually Wii online services, but a common multiplayer services commonly used on PC, and tons of PC shit games lost multiplayer and almost no one recreated their multiplayer code, instead the multiplayer was simply gone.

>>713986480
The furfag's problem is that he doesn't play the heel to the end, and bends the knee instead. Would be based otherwise since he produces so much seethe.

>>713983738
>estimate
lol, lmao even

>>713985484
>Dark Souls on PC doesn't.
It doesn't because Bandai Namco is not using Steam's infrastructure.
They rolled their own. And then pulled its plug.

>>713986250
these threads are doing iron man numbers

>>713986413
> it was common practice from like the 90s to 2000s
Back when it was required for game devs to understand networking infrastructure. That isn’t required anymore
>but valve does it!
And only they do it. Ever ask yourself why?

You guys are asking for something that is non trivial and requires some good software engineering skills. This doesn’t come cheap.

>>713979929
>food analogy
based

>>713986519
>he could hand over to the FBI
For them to jerk off at?

>>713984463
>but how does it affect you?

>>713986628
>because because
because Steam is SHIT and doesn't have what PSN has.
>noooooo, they sabotaged the Steam release!!!
conspiracy theory.

>>713985741
>Something only valve does
This is crossplay btw

>>713986498
The steam system is really easy to hack, which requires authenticated servers also requiring Steam services.

You’re asking for game devs to be required to buy into steams infra. That’s promoting monopoly.

>>713986484
Yeah, it is your problem. If you want to run the server, better get windows 2000. If the software is functional and a user gets an in, it's up to the user to meet the system requirements of the software to make it function. Even that would be better than just killing the game and leaving you with no functioning product that you paid money for.

>>713986418
>actually giving people documentation to make dead games not dead is good
So...what the fuck is your problem then? People wouldn't need this initiative if most devs weren't gigantic cunts that took your money and ran, intentionally publishing games that can die on you any day.

>>713985757
Honestly not surprised. They are always up to shit and trolling.
T.Finn

>>713986586
>comparing console to PC
Learn how games are developed, please.

>>713986637
>Back when it was required for game devs to understand networking infrastructure. That isn’t required anymore
So devs have become less competent, and we should accept worse products than what we received before
>And only they do it. Ever ask yourself why?
But they aren't the only ones doing it at all

>>713986658
Josh would never hand over his stash, just like he keeps archives of all the zoosadist shit for himself.

>>713986550
from what i understand its probably retarded and calculates steam sales and then subtracts from the multiplied downloads from pirate bay minus profits as "lost sales"
>>713986617
you have a fifth grader's understanding of math

>>713986716
That’s using Microsoft.

So are you asking for all game devs to have to buy into Microsoft or valve server support?

>>713986806
> and we should accept worse products than what we received before
That’s the trade off for having more games to play. No one is forcing you to play the games that don’t provide the support you want.

>>713986726
that makes no sense, and you know it.
therefore the proposal is idiotic and only a foot in the door.
afterwards you will demand source code, you fucking commie.

>>713981092
based, that's why they're spamming these threads for their faggy petition so much

>>713986695
It's easily verifiable to check whether they use Steamworks networking. And they don't.

Deal with it, you piece of vaginal excrement.

>>713986978
Is piracy communism?

>>713985757
>>713986736
Dont fucking pile me with these retards.
I've been here dismissing shills since day 1. This shit will benefit us too because it will make piracy easier.
>>713986851
They allow both community and dedicated servers, and the latter are not using any company middlemen, retard.

>>713986978
>that makes no sense
That makes perfect sense.
>afterwards you will demand source code, you fucking commie.
Yes, I will also demand them to serve me dinner and shine my boots too, why don't I.

>>713986726
>So...what the fuck is your problem then?
you being commie slime.
>the games stop working
actually they don't, you fucking idiot.
the point of ScummVM is that old bugs are getting fixed and games can be played without fiddling around because modern OS don't properly work.

The games themselves work fine without problems on the computers that they were made for.

>>713986921
>That’s the trade off for having more games to play
That's a bad trade off, and more games doesn't mean better games
>No one is forcing you to play the games that don’t provide the support you want.
Because A), a game can be good even though it requires a central server and B), this practice will slowly spread to games I care about. Further, I don't like the idea of not owning something I buy, regardless of what media it is

>>713986721
that is not what i said at all. you in fact made an entirely new sentence. I said
"indies do not host their own servers and would most likely use steamworks. This would be a steamworks issue"
this implies that the burden therefore wouldnt be them pulling the plug but steam pulling the plug which means valve removing online functionality which would be a VALVE issue of them removing server support rather than the devs own fault as a third party removed functionality.
you instead somehow are implying that I want valve to personally host all indie game servers ever. Im going to beat you with a pipe wrench.

>>713987054
> and the latter are not using any company middlemen, retard.
Incorrect. They pay a license for the infrastructure that allows for this stuff.

>>713986484
Windows 2000 is not a problem. LOL i unironically have multiple copies of it.

>>713986779
>when Wii used Gamespy, that was consoles and le bad
>when PC-slop used Gamespy, that was great and awesome
>when Gamespy was shut down, that was muh Nintendo is retarded
>but PC-slop was yay master race

you don't even need a server list tho

>>713986827
You are retarded

>>713987109
> this practice will slowly spread to games I care about
Nigger this practice is older than you.

>>713987037
Steamworks sucks
>>713987045
yes

>>713987179
And you have not once said anything of substance ever. Please kill yourself posthaste and stop interjecting where you shouldn't

>>713986293
Ain't no one watching your shitty videos.

>>713987154
Strawmen don’t help you get your petition signed.

>>713987286
I spit on your petition
spit spit

>>713987253
>yeah bro we estimated our sales to be ten million
>we only sold ten
>it's clearly the pirates!
Again, there is no factual basis for actually assessing "losses" due to piracy. Any inflated guesses by people who want there to be "losses" so they can push their shit even more is entirely worthless. As are you.
I bet you also think Concord failed because of le chud trolls or whatever, it's the same line of reasoning.

>>713987082
>comparing online functionality to a wrapper
You're legitimately retarded.

>>713979405
>Imagine being this dense
Legally they can't do that, the fact they do is only because no one has sued them and set a legal precedent that they shouldn't be able to steal you're money with no recourse.
If a game company bans you from their game, they should, at the very least, give back every single cent you spent in the game including all associated purchases and subscriptions.
This way all those permabans and trigger happy AIs would disappear from all games within a year since they would lose so much money they'd rather not ban everyone and their mother.

>>713987464
>there is no way
>except indies can track who submits highscores and who stole the gaem

>>713978231
Do you complain about spam in other threads, or just ones you care about?

This isn't about the spam.

>>713985557
>Are you asking for a refund years after you’ve bought the product?
If it's under warranty, then yes. I'm asking for a refund or repair.

>>713987471
>ScummVM is a wrapper
>the VM stands for wrapper
lmao
low IQ retard detected

>>713987464
Anon. I don't believe that piracy hurts sales. I pulled these statistics because the estimation someone else made was way off and assumed piracy was crippling the video games economy and pointed out even people who agreed with him said it was only a 20% decrease in sales "at most".
You're attacking somebody who agrees with you

>>713987697
>refund or repair
or replacement

>>713987705
>ScummVM is a program which allows you to run certain classic graphical adventure and role-playing games, provided you already have their data files. The clever part about this: ScummVM just replaces the executables shipped with the games, allowing you to play them on systems for which they were never designed! ScummVM is a complete rewrite of these games' executables and is not an emulator.

Functionally it is a wrapper in all but name.

>>713987717
>nothing is crippling anything
>sales on PC are simply dog shit
>but that's because uhhhhh
>well anyway it has nothing to do with thieves
>also see the PSP
>PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY GTA ANYMORE, YEAH?

>>713987717
...I am sorry. These graphs just put me into a blind rage and then I am more beast than man.

>>713986637
Being so incompetent that you ruin your own game and render it unplayable in the future is a ford pinto tier manufacturers defect dummy.

>>713987882
>Functionally it is a wrapper
In reality it's all sorts of GAME ENGINES *rebuilt*, you fucking moron.
that's why cool stuff is possible in ScummVM, but isn't in shit like ShitBox. Like having new functionality which wasn't there. Or fixing 50 year old bugs. Or using game data to display more colors than the original GAME ENGINE displayed.

>>713988036
And? The games covered by this were never in danger of dying. I don't see why you brought this up in the first place.

>>713987905
These people weren't going to buy the game to begin with. You equate physical merchandise to digital goods. That's like saying watching a letsplay of a Virtual Novel or a walkthrough of a ride/a theme park is equivalent of a lost sale. You are thinking with a 20th century brain but the digital age is simply different. If you think piracy is hurting video games then you must also think that anybody who watches a lets play on line is also functionally stealing money from the dev.
>>713987917
lol its all good.

we should promote it and publish it in every social media available

>>713988243
>dying
>all sorts of games have major problems running properly on faster systems, or don't work at all anymore
The problem is ONLINE DRM and YOU supported that by using Steam, you fucking Steamie retard.

>>713987224
>no argument
Opinion discarded

>>713988308
>weren't going to buy the game to begin with
Denuvo is supposed to lock these non-payers out, which is a good thing.
So no harm done then and Denuvo can stay and in fact should get expanded, just like Valve proposes.