but why?

>>714018213 (OP)
$70

>>714018313
This. You can just play the game on twitch/YouTube for free.

because Kojima cocksuckers are a loud minority and the average person knows how shitty Kojima's games are.

Waiting for PC

Kojima is retarded like SE. He doesn't realize it's not the same Sony like for PS1/2. The actual audience for his works mostly play on PC. Just like the first game.

>>714018568
I got it for free on PC

>>714018568
FF flopped and shitted on PC thoughbeit

Literally meaningless data. There's next to nowhere selling new physical games in the UK anymore.

>>714018824
Nigga, AstroBot outsold it by 50%.

Death Sharting is DOA

>33% lower than astrobot
grim

>>714018941
You could at least make it less obvious you're rubbing your hands with glee over this failing for whatever schizo reasons you have.

>>714019012
AstroBot sold well, just not in the UK

>>714018213 (OP)
Good.

>>714018213 (OP)
PS5 is a death sentwnce for anything that isn't cod or fifa shit. It genuinely is one of the most lifeless consoles of all time

People don't give a shit about Kojima. They only care about METAL GEAR SOLID.

>>714018651
Thats what happens when yiu wait a year to port it and in that time everyone had time to realize the game was shit.

>>714018213 (OP)
Didn't the first one flop too?
Same with Alan Wake.

>>714018213 (OP)
Literally a fucking walking sim with overdramatic music

>66% lower sales
>ermmm but it doesn't count because uhhmmm Kojima is a visionary so ermm it's actually more like he wanted the game to sell less
>so uhmm acktually it sold more counting for inflation
KWAB

>>714018538
if anything the kojima haters are the loud obnoxious ones

The consequences of PS5 exclusivity claims that another victim

>>714019101
no it didn't

>>714019252
Claims that another victim does what?

>>714019236
dickrider cope

I didn't buy it because it's not on Xbox yet

>>714019265
2.3m sales at full price for an exclusive that broke even at 200k copies?

Yes, that's incredibly good.

>>714018213 (OP)
The majority of people who wanted a PS5 already bought one. Of those people, most of them only bought it for sports games or as a status symbol. They do not give two shits about any other games, let alone La Creatividad's experience. Below average sales will, maybe, be countered by whatever Sony paid for timed exclusivity.

>33% lower than Astro Bot's launch

>>714018568
He probably doesn't care. His nominations and nominations are already stitched up, even if DS2 doesn't sell 1 million copies it will almost certainly be placed into the running for GOTY.

>>714019551
Tons of games sell well on PS5. This is just a shit game

>>714018213 (OP)
Who knows?

>>714019369
Way to prove him right, retard

>>714019580
*Awards and nominations

>>714018213 (OP)
people got tricked on the first one to buy it without realizing it was a walking simulator with 30 minute cutscenes. obviously they're not going to buy the second one after they know what type of game it is. the popular sentiment behind the game outside of autists was very negative

>>714018213 (OP)
Death Stranding is the Tears of the Kingdom of Death Stranding, fans were hoping for an actual new game, but instead they got $80 dlc

no one but journos really care about Death Stranding, it's just too boring of a concept for most gamers

also PS5 exclusivity

>>714019603
The only things that sell well on PS5 are live service slop and FOMO games.

Why does it feel like this game has ZERO hype or discussion anywhere?

>>714019603
>Tons
lol

>$70 Kojima slop
Good. I'm sick of people sucking him off. His "games" without being reigned in are fucking shit.

>>714019709
Sony already paid for its GotY award. You WILL care about it!

>UK
why do we keep posting a Twitter screencap of a guy that looks at sales for a country that only make up for less than 70 million people in the entire world?

>>714019793
Most companies don't release numbers, especially platform specific

>>714018213 (OP)
>death stranding
"oh shit new kojima game, the guy who made mgs?? i'm getting this"
>death stranding 2
"death stranding fucking sucked, I'll pass"

not too hard to grasp I would say

>>714018213 (OP)
Its the 80-100 dollars price tag.

I will buy it at 10 dollars years later like i did for DS1 on PS5.

bad news kojima bros
the game sold more than 1 copy...
it's far too popular, how can we fix this?

>>714019698
>>714019709
The game is designed for journalists to nominate it for awards so Sony can bandy it about as a prestige product. Not for actual customers.

>>714019909
>dude trust me

>>714019797
won what?

>>714019709
but all the popular streamers are playing it...?

Tlou2 leaked with horrifying reveals
Still managed to sell 10 million with critical acclaim

Everyone say thank you to mr druckmann

>>714018213 (OP)
Because it's not a videogame

>>714018213 (OP)
ps5 niggas don't play games without guns, balls or thots

death stranding is a very niche game, you only know about it because you

a) are a big enough games enthusiast to seek out discussion of it online
b) watch videogame live events where trailers for games are shown
c) watch videogame related videos on youtube, twitter, etc

the name "hideo kojima" means absolutely nothing to most people who dont partake in games despite what you may perceive, and even then most people who call themselves gamers dont venture beyond fortnite, madden, fifa, call of duty, apex legends, and maybe an oddball title here and there that might catch their eye, this latest kojima game has zero pull with normies, hence the sales numbers

>>714020021
so then the people watching have no incentive to play it since watching it gives them the same experience?

>>714018213 (OP)
The original DS underperformed. DS2 flopping seems like the obvious thing to happen.

guess its not worth Kojima porting it to PC or Xbox, not to worry then you girls have plenty other titles to play, game is fun though

>>714019803
Then don't play them?

>>714018213 (OP)
>but why?
Literally the same exact game but less wordy, if people didn't like 1 they won't like 2, ergo they won't buy it.

>>714018213 (OP)
>YOUR GAME ISN'T A FLOP? OH YEAH? LET'S SEE HOW MANY PHYSICAL COPIES OF COLLECTOR'S EDITION WITH A SCRATCH EXACTLY AT 1/3 OF THE BOX DID IT SELL IN TIMBUKTU!
>YEAH THOUGHT SO, NOT SO SMART NOW HUH
Why are flopfaggots and chartniggers like this.

>>714020181
we can just watch it on youtube.

>>714018213 (OP)
Playstation only for $70 while DS1 is on steam for $15 for mostly the same game.

>>714018213 (OP)
Cause of making it a PS5 exclusive, a console that is still difficult to find at a reasonable price. They destroyed all of my hype.

>>714018213 (OP)
Because people pressed triangle to pretend to buy the game

>>714019709
boring walking simulator not a cool action stealth military game like MGS.

>>714020230
>UK is now timbuktu

>>714020108
I knew FIFA normies back in college who loved Metal Gear Solid. I remember one random fifa grug telling me how excited he was for MGSV.

This launched with 3 days "early access" or whatever which is digital-only right? I guess that would kinda screw up numbers cause its the first Playstation game to do so.

>>714018213 (OP)
Do you even need to ask?

>>714018213 (OP)
It's a dlc masquerading as a whole new game

>>714018213 (OP)
only insane people bought a PS5 and kept it this long, but of course all the ones that did have to pretend this game is mana from the heavens

>>714018213 (OP)
amazon simulators aren't fun

>>714018213 (OP)
Because Kojima is a hack.

>>714019148
Rebirth is the only good FF released in the last 15 years

>>714020562
Is this a boss?

>>714019504
>Full price
It's a bundle with a PS5 Slim, and it's $50 cheaper than getting the slim without astro bot. I don't get that part

>>714020857
Said no one, ever.

>>714020523
thats only because metal gear solid on the ps1 was a huge game, most people who owned a playstation owned it because it was seen as a huge leap forward in terms of technology, a very small amount of people know the name behind it, or know that hes still making games

with death stranding, consider how small the audience for that game was, now consider how much smaller that pool of people are who both played, finished, and enjoyed death stranding enough to buy a sequel, that is also only available on one platform that has a $500 - $700 entry fee

the sales numbers are completely predictable is all im saying

>>714018213 (OP)
because the first game was shit despite what kojimadrones will try telling you

>>714020061
>Still managed to sell 10 million
How many is that via console bundles?

>>714018651
The issue was FF being a timed exclusive. If it came out day and date on PC, then it could have benefited from riding on hype trains and marketing pushes behind it alongside what >>714019148 said about people not having the time to formulate opinions about it after seeing reviews, listening to influencers, reading up on issues and bugs, etc. Even if the game was a 10/10 perfect game, it being over a year old means just that. It's a game that's over a year old that everyone either forgot about or no longer cares about that you're trying to resell again usually for full price. Nobody is buying into that. The same thing will happen to DS2.

I don't understand how many times this has to happen before these companies realize what they actually need to do to maximize sales across platforms.

Konami won.

>>714018213 (OP)
I don't know, I look at this series and all I see is Kojimbo using it as an excuse to rub elbows with Hollywood. The actual games don't look appealing at all.

>>714020253
>"...mostly the same game"
this is what makes me mad, I would like to guess that the devs saw how the walking simulator aspect of the first game was so criticized, boring and snooze inducing, so for the second game they decided to do literally nothing about it?
I mean I liked DS1 a fair bit, but it was a 7/10 game at most with the pacing and boring gameplay being its biggest faults, you're telling me the sequel is just more of that?

I'm not buying a snoystation.

>>714020956
Even if it's for a Bloodborne remaster, I don't think Sony understands just how much of the gamer base they pissed off with their console prices, the exclusivity strangling, and the sheer unavailability of the console, the scalper drama, all of it is just a mess. Every console launch for every company is worse than the last.

>>714021273
b-but they added brain-dead combat and silly vehicles!

>More of the same
>Literally the exact same plot
>Sam has even less character and literally only has like 10 or so lines in the entire game

>>714018213 (OP)
Konami did nothing wrong.

>>714021338
that ship has sailed a long time ago since bloodborne is fully playable at 60 fps on pc

>>714018213 (OP)
Just give Kojima a lifetime VIP access to all the film festivals so he can retire and stop wasting everyone's time and money.

>>714018213 (OP)
>"33% lower than Astroturfed Flop's launch"
Damn, this shit is actually dead on arrival then.
Based.

>>714019618
>>714020562
Every single clip and screenshot I see from this game just makes me go:
>what in the everloving fuck is this shit?

>>714018213 (OP)
Konpeko...

So no Death Stranding 3? What about the genre?

>>714018213 (OP)
>Its a Mystery

>>714018213 (OP)
Weirdly I didn't see much hype on it. Even on Twitch only one the guys I normally watch bothered to play it

>>714022268
Just like with Starfield, you all just don't "get" Death Stranding 2.

>>714022502
Explain it then. I could use the laugh.

>>714018213 (OP)
Bought the first on release for my PS4 back in 2019.
Had a lot of fun with it, even platinium'd it, but the only interesting part was thw gameplay. Everything else was trash.
Then he released a better version for PC.
With this second game Kojima has doubled down on all the retarded stuff, and he even becone friends with pieces of shit like Peele. So I'm not interested.

I wish all these fucking salesniggers would just die holy shit.

>>714018213 (OP)
People bought the first game because they thought it would be like Metal Gear but instead it was a game where you walk around and deliver cum. So when Cum Delivery Boy 2 came out they knew better than to buy it.

>>714022585
I was joking. Starfield is an unfortunate, boring experience. Just like Death Stranding 1 and 2. The only difference between the two is that Death Stranding probably won't see the mod support Starfield has.
>Starfield is getting mods?
Honestly yes. Creations and Nexus Mods update often with new mods and updates to mods for Starfield. Not at all on the level of something like Skyrim obviously, but for a new IP, it's doing a surprising good job there.

>>714022076
It's like watching a french art show, absolutely retarded if you aren't high on huffing farts

>>714022631
This is my sentiment as well. All the best parts of the first game were when all NCPs finally shut the fuck up and it just played some music and let you trudge through the terrain

There was just weirdly no push or hype for this game. Not really related I think but Stellar Blade earlier this month and now the steam summer sales might have killed the game's momentum. Sure I know these are for pc, but it's known that PS5 users also game on pc and the console exclusive crowd isnt that big nowadays.

>>714022502
>You need a high IQ to understand Death Stranding

>>714020108
It can't be that niche if it's being hailed as a triple A PS5 exclusive. From what I've seen, there definitely is less talk about this game than the first. The first had an amazing marketing team and a bunch of crazy trailers, and it got released around covid. I think it's fair to say the second one is under performing the first. This one doesn't even had Mads in it, and the singer for the band that did most of the first's soundtrack killed himself a few years ago.

>>714020857
I agree but, that's also not saying much

For twenty fucking years I've waited for people to realize Kojima is nothing more than a Hollywood dropout. Now you see. You ALL see.

>>714020562
is this a Severance season 3 teaser?

>>714020857
This
Also I'm gay

>>714019140
they care about kojima. but 70bucks is expensive for some experimental cinema shit

>>714018213 (OP)
>released only for a console for dudebros that play call of duty

absolutely NO ONE will buy a ps5 for DS2

>>714018213 (OP)
Watched it on Youtube. It's just like the first game, except with even more retarded nonsense.

>>714018213 (OP)
I honestly didn't know it was releasing this month so I didnt save any money for it, ill get it next week

>literally says a week before launch "the game tested too well, people enjoyed it too much, so we went back and made it worse, because I am a career contrarian"
>surprised when nobody buys it because they'd rather wait in line for a Switch 2 then play "walking simulator 2: bad on purpose"

>>714018213 (OP)
nobody has a ps5 and most of the people who do don't play pseud games
kojima should know you have to release on PC nowadays unless you're making franchise slop that retards buy on reflex even if it's shit, like Ass Creed or Cod.

>>714018213 (OP)
Good that means a PC port is incoming soon

Shitposting aside

It genuinely feel like the game just doesnt have much buzz in general compared to other major releases. You'd think there would be 500 threads of nonstop arguing and shitposting but....nope.

>>714022986
The first had the whole walking sim controversy. For this, that's just old news. People who don't like it won't even talk about it much less buy it out of curiosity.

>>714019618
what the fuck

Are we all still pretending gaming isn't 99% PC nowadays?

Nobody gives a shit about consoles.

>>714025396
Console exclusive + everyone is bored with Kojima's attention seeking gimmicks

>>714025396
This game looks way too retarded even for shitposting.

>>714025415
You clearly don't understand such intellectual art

>>714025260
>the game tested too well, people enjoyed it too much, so we went back and made it worse, because I am a career contrarian"
He's such a fart-sniffing pretentious retard. Ds2 flopping would be great hit to his ego and it would really nice to see it happen

>>714018213 (OP)
>ps5 ecxclusive
>sequel to a very divisive game

>>714020562
This reeks of degeneracy

>>714025396
Most people on /v/ dont have ps5's a game being exclusive to it kills discussion of it by aboit 90% here.

>>714025396
I mean, have you seen some of the clips out there, it's just Kojimbo going full pretentious. People were already saying this when the first game was out but it's just gotten even worse

>>714020562
>when you want to make it to Hollyweird

>>714025396
that's what happens when you make something ps5 exclusive in fucking 2025

>>714025369
It's going to bomb on PC too. With it not being released on PC on the same day as the PS5 release, now even less people will care since nobody even cares about it at its peak. As soon as companies realize waiting 6 months, 1 year or however long to release on PC is nothing but detrimental for game sales because people on PC aren't necessarily sitting and waiting in anticipation for PlayStation exclusives (or console exclusives at all for that matter), the sooner they start making more money on PC. Capcom figured that out, SEGA figured that out, every company who releases day and date on PC figured that out.

>>714018313
>Death Stranding 2 costs less than fucking Mario Kart.
WHAT IN GOD'S NAME WAS NINTENDO THINKING WITH THEIR NEW PRICES
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU JUSTIFY CHARGING 80 DOLLARS FOR BING BING WAHOO KIDDIE SHIT???

>>714025971
Because it's a good videogame, not that you would recognize what a good videogame is

>>714018568
Sony funded DS1 and DS2 and PhysInt.

>>714025968
i like DS1 i want to play DS2 i dont care about sales i just want the PC port ASAP

>>714018213 (OP)
>but why?
>PS5 exclusive
I wonder why. Didn't DS2 sell the most on PC?

>>714026167
Sony funded lots of shit that ends up on PC, an exclusivity PERIOD that keeps getting shorter is not gonna push console sales in a time of economic turmoil

>>714025968
Pretty much.

>>714026214
I mean DS1.

>>714026167
You'd think Sony would know better after seeing how this grifter ripped off Konami

>>714026167
The only thing sony did was give Kojima the horizon engine (and for all the shit I give DS. I'll say it uses it better then the series the entire engine was even made for)

But forced exclusive timed deals are retarded no matter how much of favor you owe in return

>>714020857
>Stranger of Paradise is the only good FF released in the last 15 years
ftfy
though due to Squareshit's incompetence they fell for the delayed release and then released it of fucking epic store and the game never had the chance to take off

>>714025971
mario kart was the most sold game on nintendo switch, it doesnt matter what the price is nintendo cucks will buy it

>>714019709
I bought DS1 on sale for the PC. I thought it was enjoyable in a weird way, but not "buy a new console +$70" enjoyable. Most people on /v/ are either on PC and/or tendies, and those that have PS5's are either not interested in the game or waiting for a discount.
Discussion will probably perk up next year when access is broader and the asking price is more reasonable.

>>714018213 (OP)
I mean we all know what the game is about now, I picked up the first game because I thought I would like it, as I enjoy Kojima's old games, turns out I fucking hate walking from point A to Point B in vast open spaces, or hilly terrain, playing a glorified Post man that goes around delivering packages and installing fibre internet, and it wouldn't surprise me if many were thinking the same. Dead Standing 2 looked to be exactly more of the first game, for better or worse.

At this point it's clear everyone else at Konami was carrying Kojima

I didn't even know it came out lole

>>714026394
Would Kojima really trade away a multiplatform release just in return for use of Decima? Not like there arent other engines he could use. Probably some funding involved.

Is just /v/ that don't have PS5? because where are the discussions of this game? I was expecting tons of theories like the deltarune threads.

>>714026457
It has been 11 years since the last Mario Kart released. I will even admit 8 is better than World, but I needed something new and different. And the music is incredible.

>>714025396
All the dumb stuff in it just comes off as sad now, like a cry for help or attention. It's different when the games have hype behind them like MGS or DS1 did.

>>714020184
I'm not, but thanks for the permission, I guess.

>>714026703
PS5 has no games, also they either hard to get or even if you do have one it could straight up die because of how shoddy Sony made them like the heat sink issues

>>714026543
I got it for free from Epic on christmas a couple years ago and still never played it.

>>714019954
So like most Sony products last 10 years really, but plenty of them were successful afaik

>>714026406
I dont get the praise for stranger of paradise. I tried it and it was just a shittier, more shallow and repetetive version of nioh with a final fantasy skin.

>>714026797
>they either hard to get
lol what third world country do you live in? ps5 shortage ended like 3+ years ago

>>714026876
America.

>>714018213 (OP)
Same guy that spread the "third party games are selling poorly on Switch 2" fake news yet you won't see a million articles covering this kek.

>>714026703
>I was expecting tons of theories like the deltarune threads.
Few people take Death Stranding's lore and writing seriously, for good reasons.

>>714018213 (OP)
>physical
>UK

double nobody cares

>>714018213 (OP)
Why is every single goddamn dude in these games named [Thing]man

>>714026861
People liked that the MC was an autistic retard

>>714020108
I wouldn't call it niche, it's more like "biggest X fan tries X for the first time" type of game.

>>714026982
Blame peacewalker, that's where it started and kojima thought it was funny to keep up the gag

>>714026952
physical sales mean a lot in UK, people like owning stuff here, you would be surprised by how many people dont even have the internet, its why second hand game stores make a killing here and why big game flagship stores with full price games get shut down

>>714026639
As I understood it, the Decima engine is a lot like the Fox Engine used to be. So I imagine it's just something Kojima has like a autistic hyper fixation on.

>>714018213 (OP)
66% lower sales is fucking brutal. "different era" is just wrong, 2019 isn't 2009.

I did my part and bought the collectors edition. I dont even own a ps5.

>>714025971
Well, MK is actually fun to play.

>>714022631
>frieren beyond reddit's end

>>714025396
The Persona gacha has more activity than DS2 threads.

>>714026457
>>714025971
>>714027326
Clown Mode Activated!

>>714018454
underrated comment

>>714018213 (OP)
People only bought the first game out of curiosity and the price is absurd for a boring walking simulator. Good riddance

Because the first game is completely fucking retarded and boring, and nothing about that has changed for the sequel

>>714018568
There is no audience on PC other than F2P turdworlders and pirates.

>>714028087
Salty snoy bitch

>>714020902
Says anyone with a brain, frequently.

Because they added a vtuber.

>>714028128
Dumb favela fodder PCasual.

>>714024853
I agree with the point about the price but normalfags definitely don't care about Kojima or even know who he is.

>what if we made the first game but made it more accessible and watered down its most unique aspect
>flops

LA CREATIVIDAD
LMAOOOOOOOO

>>714019580
Can't wait to watch Geoff Fellatio Kojima for 3~ 4 hours on stage at TGA, while Geoff tells Kojima about IMAX.

>>714028087
Death Stranding sold pretty well on PC though

>>714028375
No it's even worse than that, by kojima's own admission it was "too good" for the masses so he made it worse on purpose

Lol, lmao even

>>714028460
>turd worlder reading comprehension

He changed the ending, he obviously made a sour one instead of a happy one. Also the game's been fucking garbage since the first entry, people play it cause kojima is directing the scenes.

I jusf fucking wanted a walking sim with more kino delivery mechanics.

Who fucking asked for more combat.

>>714028627
>Muh turd worlder
Post hand since you like to project so hard

>>714018213 (OP)
you know the sales are grim when people have to resort to posting UK sale statistic

>>714018213 (OP)
Then FUCKING RELEASE THE PC VERSION OF IT NOW!

>>714028780
just watch it on Youtube

>>714018213 (OP)
no one enjoys horror games

>>714028815
No, I want to play mod it .

>get hyped because the guy who made metal gear solid is making his own game
>buy it
>it's a walking sim
>fool me once

>>714025971
Because it's more fun than UPS simulator, and Mario Kart 8 outsold every single Metal Gear game combined.

Keep in mind top of the uk game charts only means like 5000 copies sold when it's anything but gta/fifa/cod
Dring tries to cover that up by only using percentages but this is a nothing stat

>>714019236
LOL. LMAO EVEN. >>714019659
BIGGER LMAOOOOOOOOO

DS1 has filtered so many people

>>714018213 (OP)
People falling for hype already learned their lesson with the first game.

>>714020021
So…women and niggers? Really impressive there Yong!

>>714018213 (OP)
you ever hear that quote from Shinkawa where he had to ask Kojima multiple times "is this a joke?" during MGS2?

That is all of Death Stranding 2.

Why does Kojima keep pretending DS' main demographic isn't on PC?

There's no more mystery about Death Stranding the people that want to buy it know it's a game about deliveries and the ones that tried to give a chance to the first one but hated it aren't going to buy the second one, is just that simple like even Astro bot is a game anyone can pick up death stranding isn't

>>714025968
I agree. I am not waiting for that game. No, I will not buy a console for a fucking game. Release it on PC now. or just be forgettable. I probably pick it up on the deep discount.

>>714029329
>>714029292

yeah this is the problem
death stranding showed its hand and its literally just AAA eurotruck sim
instead of appealing to this massive audience kojima listened to the sonyfags and made more cinematic shooting slop instead

>>714029015
Bad gameplay is bad.

Makes sense. People figured out what the game is and probably find no real compelling reason to play it when the first one isn't some generic video game.

>>714018538
Nah, the average person doesn't know who Kojima is.

>>714028432
source?

>>714029456
Pretty much this I love "job games" and Death Stranding 1 was a perfect game for me because it was a "job game with a twist", I'm happy it exist and is insanely polished(since most job games are very bad looking or feel like a meme) but even when DS2 comes to PC I'm not expecting it to explode in popularity

>>714018213 (OP)
Because the first one was shit

>>714019709
It's the sequel nobody asked for. The first game had some buzz because it was so original and kojima but I think a lot of DS1 players had enough of it the first time.

>>714029456
What I would give for all the combat to get scrapped so they could go all in on the delivery autism. Like no one here fucking made webms of the combat. It was always two things -- the weird kojima shit and the deliveries.

Why don’t snoys buy games or play games other than gacha, sports, or cod? Why do they spend more time talking negatively about everyone else playing games but never back their talk up with purchases on the system?

>>714019793
where is gran turismo
and why the fuck is forza there

Roblox won

>>714018568
I thought he basically confirmed he knew that PC was the primary platform for the first game; it sold the most on PC and had the most long tail sales, plus had the largest community/userbase for the Strand System. The fact it didn't get a day one PC release is moronic. I'd accept a month or so for them to sort out technical glitches but he can go fuck himself if this is another 6+ months before the game shows up and anther 6+ months before it gets the Director's Cut / GOTY expansion updated version and he expects us to pay full price.

maybe its not him and its alll Sony, but even Sony must realize that they need to sell to Steam ASAP and not shit the bed because there is almost no overlap leading to audiences that will buy a fucking PS5 just to play one game; PS5 players will enjoy it there, PC players will enjoy it there, but treat the latter like shit you lose sales you would have made at higher prices. If it comes a year down the line and asks for $70+ then I'll wait until its on sale for $30 as I already waited because of your bullshit.

>intentionally go out of your way to make sure only the PS5 gets the game for several months
>ensure everyone has the game spoilered for themselves or lose interest

WhErE DiD AlL ThE SaLes Go!!1?!2

this actually FEELS like a flop. No online discussion other than journalists sucking Kojima's dick. I would be surprised if this sells 1M, and even then it would be a flop because of the high budget

I feel like people here care more about sales than games.

Wait, it's out?

>>714030048
Because a lot of jap developers are retarded buck broken snoycucks even if it costs them money, look at harada. They’ll only learn once the flops get so bad management puts a figurative or literal gun to their head and tells to give it up.

>>714018213 (OP)
>already pretending to care about Death Strandings sales

NONE OF YOU FUCKING CARE. STOP MAKING THESE THREADS.

>>714030048
It's a timed exclusive and Sony paid for it.
>maybe its not him and its alll Sony
Kojima had to agree and he did.

>>714030359
Don't forget that the Yakuza guy was caught red handed getting taken to massage parlours and wined & dined by snoy executives while constantly pushing for more playstation exclusives as part of SEGA's management. That's the main reason he got fired

>>714030465
Good, hope his family starves also.

>>714029928
>Combat
Eh i don't know. I remember a significant amount of the hand to hand combat with the handcuffs on the DC version, the new rope thing, fucking with MULEs, attacking BTs with the blood grenades and guns, electric gun, and other shit too. Especially with the updated melee in the DC I saw more webms of it; then ther was the whole new expansion
>Not-MGS
facilities against the soldiers that basically became a sneaking mission and had more combat takedown focus.

>>714030359
I thought Kojimbo, the biggest westaboo there is from JP auteur game designers, would see through it. Also even Sony management has found out they do better selling their shit on PC but yet they still won't hurry up it seems, unlike say.. Sega who basically dragged Atlus kicking and screaming into the modern era despite P4Golden and other titles selling a ton on PC.

>>714030454
Really wish he wouldn't have taken the deal this time or Sony wouldn't have been stupid enough to ask for it. If anything I'd think he'd argue for a SHORT exclusivity period 1-3 months at most so Snoy gets their stupid Snoy money with Only on Snoy labels, but PC gets a little time for new tech features and then releases while the hype continues. Its not like Sony doesn't make money from PC releases either

It's a high budget niche game, it's definitely not for everyone. I grew up on the MGS games and want to try DS1 just because it's Kojima, but it doesn't look interesting to me gameplay wise. Maybe one day but I'm already deep into playthroughs of FF10 and Halo 2 legendary so I want to finish those first

>>714030816
>It's a high budget niche game, it's definitely not for everyone
Same excuse for Starfield.

>>714030997
Literally wasn't.

>>714030997
Starfield was not supposed to be niche. It was fallout 4 in space with somehow an even worse progression perk system.

>>714029292
Kojima loves Hollywood and the spotlight so I think he thinks console is the "main stage" of video games for the big blockbusters he loves to create. PC is the indie film festival.

It's a shame because he could flex his gameplay creativity a lot more on PC and find a high iq audience that will appreciate it but instead he chases the spotlight and herding the average PS5 idiot.

>>714031269
>the high IQ audience
>appreciating death sharting, the series kojima made to scam sony for money to bribe celebrities to hang out with him so he can feel like a REAL artist

I’m starting to think the first game was better.

>>714030997
I think Star Field is different, it had actual marketing, a mainstream setting (yes sci-fi is mainstream at this point) and more traditional gameplay for a modern AAA game. Also the lore is very accessible.

>>714020562
This was unironically the best part of the game.

>>714031554
>I’m starting to think his first games was better.

ftfy

>>714018213 (OP)
Because the first game was a boring hiking simulator with a stupid story even by Kojima cocksucker standards and nobody wants more of that.

>>714018213 (OP)
Because all the new fans on Xbox cant buy it because Kojima will never stop sucking Sony cock, we'll get sloppy seconds and tranny screaming simulator which will make his walking simulator look like peak gameplay

>>714018213 (OP)

Buzz online for this game is barely existent. At least Starfield had people shitting on it, they'll be lucky if it limps past 2M by the time the PC release comes out

PS5 players only play fortnite and fifa, its WELL known

>why isn't selling?
Who ever thought that what Death Stranding needed for a sequel was more vehicles instead of more vertically is an idiot and the major reason why I'm not buying it right now or ever. Every time I click on a video of someone playing this game, 9.99/10 they are using a vehicle. That is not Death Stranding. With new hardware, why didn't Kojima dive deeper into what these desolated cities are capable of becoming by having us actually traverse through a BT infested Brisbane or Melbourne, where we need to use ladders, ropes, bridges to traverse across skyscrapers, where we have to tread carefully around deep craters in the heart of these cities, have us climb mountains warped with different styles of vertically due to BT shenanigans like the cube like rocks from the first game.

Come on, Horizon has more interesting vertically and an open world then DS2, fucking how is beyond me considering Horizon heavily relies on yellow paint railroading. Also, I'm tired of Kojima's unfunny humor that gets praised in gaming. Kojima is able to make fun of his fans knowing they will eat anything he makes. Do you think Stephen Spielberg, Tarantino, George Miller and any of the directors Kojima has a boner for would make the last fight in their movies so unapologetically stupid like the one in DS 2?

Is this game really just a retread of the first Death Stranding? That's sad if true.

>>714018213 (OP)
Everything is flopping outside of original IPs. Turns out endless sequels aren’t what players want

>>714029292
Sony is moneyhatting his shitty game, he does what they tell him

>>714026057
>Because it's a good videogame,
hahahahAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH
>>714028898
It sold well because tendies like kiddie games. You could literally slap Mario and a $100 price tag on a taxes simulator (you're officially doing other people's taxes for free btw) and tendies will eat it up.

>>714025396
What's there to discus? The gameplay is just "oh, new car"
And the rest is so retarded, it doesn't bear mentioning

>DS1 was carried hard by years of Kojima hype in the media and the crazy trailers which just kept adding to the mystery and weirdness
>It comes out and to most gamers its written off as a walking simulator
>Good chunk of people who got DS1 were let down
>Less people overall excited for DS2
>In fact DS had a massive boost due to the PC versions but obviously 2 is a PS5 exclusive (for now)
>As for 2 itself its just more of the same
>Except even fans of 1 are critiquing 2 for fumbling and regressing in areas
>Its TotK to DS1's BotW except at least more effort is put into it by creating entirely new maps

Kojima doesn't want mass appeal, that is fine but he can't do the same thing again and again. The road to DS1 can't be replicated. Kojima's departure from Konami, fanboys and media alike tripping over themselves to gargle his balls in support, the freedom to make HIS game and not to please investors, all the trailers with their mystery and intrigue.

>>714018213 (OP)
Kojima getting humbled with a flop is probably not a bad thing, he's the type of creator that makes his best works when he has others to filter his ideas

We used to wait 2-3 years for iterative sequels. Now they take 5-6 years to develop and only contain minor QoL improvements. What a shitty fucking generation.

>>714018213 (OP)
Why do they have to add the cope to the post
>it's a different era!!!

>>714018213 (OP)
Death Stranding 1 was a novelty.
Death Stranding 2 is a cash grab.

>>714018213 (OP)
Why does Sony refuse to learn their lesson that no one gives a shit about exclusives anymore?

Why would I pay 70 for a bad movie
I play games to play a game

>>714034037
Feel free to seethe harder

>>714025396
Deltarune came out and actually had good writing and gameplay. So people don't need to pretend to like Kojumbos pretentious art house shit.

>>714034707
Nobody gives a shit about sony exclusives, Mario kart world is going to sell like 40 million

>>714032952
>retread
no............you now get to use vehicles after the first hour... look just buy it , i need a new kojima game before he kicks the bucket.

>>714018568
Most sales are on console

>>714032096
Aren't the main characters bald feminist scientists that are scared of all men cause rape?

>>714035060
That's only because the Tendie cult is not to be messed with.

>>714031093
>It was fallout 4 in space
It wasn't Fallout in space at all, but OK. It's what people hoped it would be but it wasn't.

>>714034707
No its this
>/v/ mocks ps5 for not having exclusives
>gets one
>/v/ complains about it being exclusive

>>714036075
That's what PS5 gets for being unpopular.

>>714036136
Its unpopular because it doesn't have many exclusives

>>714035917
There is a few missions where it feels like fallout 4 but mostly the missions are to short and disjointed and there is no exploration

>>714025971
The price of everything has doubled. If anything 80$ is an insanely low price. They should be 140$

>>714036702
No it shouldn't because inflation has increased the price of necessities without increasing wages significantly.

So consumers have less disposable income, gaming audiences are expanding though so they should be able to make enough based on volume

>>714018213 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

if you think ds2 flopped just stop, save yourself the embarrassment for when numbers are announced

>>714037175
kek

>>714025396
Just goes to show that piss5's sales numbers are not real, otherwise there would be endless thread spam about the game.

>>714018213 (OP)
a lot of these aaa garbage games that sell to casuals sell based on the previous game. people bought death stranding because of metal gear solid. now that they're aware of what death stranding games actually are, they're not buying the sequel (even if people say the gameplay is better or whatever)

each successive kojima game is gonna sell less. he's probably retiring after the next one, he's already like 60+ anyway

>>714037351
I don't understand the gameplay it looks like you drive around in very slow golf cart and press buttons to build predefined things

>>714018213 (OP)
Fool me once Kojima

>>714037351
It's exactly like this. People bought DS1 because it was from the creator of MGS and PT. They got a mediocre walking simulator with a genuinely shit story instead. DS2 is more of the same, except with an even worse story and more cowadoody segments so makes sense they didn't buy it.

anyone who looked at the youtube and google metrics could see this coming, glad kojima dickriders are getting put in their place. open world games SUCK ASS

>>714028087
you console cucks say the same shit about every game ported to PC yet it sells the most on there

>>714025971
Why are you sperging out and acting like you didn't already know this. Holy fucking shit you people are so schizo.

>>714018213 (OP)
>Studio is called Kojima productions
>only has 1 franchise and is already dead
I guess Konami was the one who carried Metal Gear

>>714038706
>yet it sells the most on there
lol

>>714028432
Prove it.

>>714028780
Why don't you play your own exclusives, sister?

>>714037351
Yep, Death Stranding was also very frontloaded sales-wise, but generally coasted off being "the new game from the Metal Gear guy" because people hadn't actually sat down yet and thought about WHY MGSV was an unfinished mess. Lo and behold, DS is widely considered pretentious and boring - two misses (in the eyes of most people) in a row and people have wised up to Kojima being past his prime.

This is coming from someone who bought DS2 on release last week.

>>714018213 (OP)
>but why?
Death Stranding 1 was a divisive game already and people who didn't like it aren't returning for Death Stranding 2.

>>714026703
PS5 is for casuals who buy CoD, sports, and maybe a super hyped game or two a year. I have a PC and a Switch 2. PS5 is in a perpetual state of "the one game I care about which will be on PC in six months therefore it's not worth buying".

>>714025971
Because nintendo knows their playerbase will buy everything full price no matter how low quality it is

i pretended i played it

>>714038917
>WSJ
kill yourself, the studio state it themselves

>>714018454
half the game is doing things your own way or feeling how the wind vibrates your controller a certain way. watching someone else play could never portray the whole experience

>>714018213 (OP)
$70 DLC

>>714038917
>>714039398
>source: aldora intelligence
>https://www.aldora.io/
>https://www.linkedin.com/company/aldoraintelligence
>hasnt posted shit since the end of 2024

lmaoooo

>>714025396
Come to think of it, why didn't the resident schizo spam the board with threads like he did with the astrobot reviews? Does he actually have a deep hatred for death stranding or something?

>>714018213 (OP)
>but why?
It's really boring.

>>714028148
... on opposite days

>>714025260
Has he said what the changes were? Fragile's death maybe?

>>714039012
>This is coming from someone who bought DS2 on release last week.
Why would you buy DS2 if you already knew DS was bad?

>>714025971
Both $70 and $80 are retarded pricing. I will never spend more than $60 on a video game release.

>>714018213 (OP)
Too much "Hello, fellow kids" style pandering and marketing.

Thread belongs to Nintendo now, btw.

>>714040742
i wouldn't mind $70 if the game is great. DS2 has the gameplay of a $10 game though. you're better off watching a gameplay video.

>>714041063

>>714038794
So he can continue to samefag and shit up this thread and /v/ at large with his seething about Nintendo for another couple hours.

>>714021273
Kojima literally changed shit in 2 to make it worse when he saw playtesters having fun. He doesn't give a fuck about making a decent game, hell all the games people pretend kojima made where done by other people and kojima just shoved hus name at the start, he didnt write any metal gear or even know shit about the gameplay, fucker has an interview about mgv and he has no clue about anything the actual dev team is doing cause he was too busy wasting money to make an actor hang out with him.

>>714041142
kojima must be insufferable in the office.

I never played the first, probably never will, so I’ll definitely never play the second. Should’ve made a real game kojimbo, I’m sure once 2 flops he’ll go back to doing that

>>714037351
Physint is supposed to be the real metal gear spiritual successor I'm sure it will sell well based on this idea alone but if Kojima pulls some annoying gameplay twist Physint 2 will have the same fate

>>714037351
>a lot of these aaa garbage games that sell to casuals sell based on the previous game.
like TLOU2

>>714018213 (OP)
Physical doesn't sell anymore, DS1 came out 6 years ago, pre covid.
The world is far more digitized

>>714031760
And here come the MGSfags to try to convince people that MGS1, 2 and 3, those movies with 10 minutes of gameplay, weren't trash

>>714039012
>Death Stranding was also very frontloaded sales-wise
No it fucking wasn't, most copies were sold on PC

DS1 > DS2
Especially story wise.

I always thought people only cared about Death Stranding because of the celebrities. That was the whole novelty.

Kojima still has that game with Jordan Peele, right?

>>714039012
>because people hadn't actually sat down yet and thought about WHY MGSV was an unfinished mess
MGSV not only is the best selling MGS game by far, but it's still has 1000-2000 people playing it today a decade layer and still keeps getting gameplay compilations.
Zoomers know who Venom is, they know Raiden from MGR, but guess what, they don't know who Solid Snake is.
MGS nowadays is just MGSV and MGR, you know why? Because they are centered on the gameplay.
Nobody gives a fuck nowadays about MGS1, 2, 3 and 4, nobody makes videos, nothing, they don't exist in the public consciousness, and tbere's zero hype for MGS3's remake, you know why?
Because they are shitty movies with terrible gameplay and hilariously poor and childish writing.

Nobody cares about MGSV being unfinished because people like the freedom it gives to fuck around, nobody cares about the cringeworthy soap opera of Big Boss or the stupid japanese toddler humor that plagues the franchise.

>>714018213 (OP)
>>714018568
This. I skipped PS5 because most of the games are on PC or coming to PC.

>>714042710
Kek, imagine having to follow up this flop with a Jordan peele game of all things. Kojima is cooked

>>714041234
He did, with MGSV, and it made /v/ have a mental breakdown that has lasted for a decade now because it's an actual game and not a 15 hour long movie about Big Boss killing kids.

You MGSfags don't want games, you don't play games, you are like Deltarune trannies, you want a movie to speculate over and talk about the dumbass characters.

>>714042882
Solid snake is in smash bros. They definitely know of him at least

>>714029292
Sony and Nintendo help fund a lot of games, even if they don't directly own them or the studios. There are a lot of games that wouldn't even get made without backing from someone with a lot of money, and the three console manufacturers are the only ones actually willing to fund them.

This is PC's greatest weakness, and one that probably won't go away anytime soon. There's no one with billions of dollars in the bank willing to pay for the development of a game with the stipulation that it must be on PC day 1. Video game development especially is heavily, heavily dependent on being able to receive money from a backer.

>>714043117
Why would you randomly assume I don’t like V?

>>714042882
>Nobody gives a fuck nowadays about MGS1, 2, 3 and 4, nobody makes videos, nothing, they don't exist in the public consciousness, and tbere's zero hype for MGS3's remake, you know why?

Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, and 3 were recently rereleased. People still make videos on them. People are looking forward to Metal Gear Solid Delta.

>>714043127
Ah yes, he appeared in one DLC 7 years ago, totally not completely irrelevant.
The few people who buy the MGS3 Remake will wonder why Big Boss isn't voiced by Sutherland

>>714043069
You never know. Maybe that game will be Kojima's saving throw after Death Stranding 2.

>>714043236

>>714043225
>Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, and 3 were recently rereleased
And they came and went without getting anyone's attention.

>People still make videos on them
No they don't, that's what happens when your games are the bottom of the barrel of the stealth genre and had zero influence on it.

> People are looking forward to Metal Gear Solid Delta
There's zero hype for it, it's going to flop as hard as the HD collection and bury MGS for good.
Only a remaster of MGSV or MGR will sell.

>>714043243
>>714043069
>>714042710
So you literally just made that up?

>>714043069
>>714043243
Assuming that the stories in the trades are true, OD was an episodic horror game that was in pre-production for Google Stadia that got canned when Google pulled the plug on funding third-party developers. He then tried pitching it to several publishers, including Jim Ryan's Sony, who rejected it but Microsoft picked it up because Phil Spencer and Matt Booty felt the Xbox needed a "prestige title".

Kojima was actually championing the format of episodic video game releases back in the early-mid 2010s when it was fashionable for a bit, so I wouldn't be shocked if it's true.

>>714018213 (OP)
Who the fuck even plays console games anymore? I bought a PS5, played Gran Turismo for like a week and then never touched it.

PC gaming is where it's at

Because no one wants their PS5 to overheat playing a walking game

>>714043491
You don't know about the Kojima + Peele game?

>>714043347
That was funny because the MGS collaboration made 40 million dollars, one of the lowest grossing collaborations ever in Fortnite.
For comparison, the Star Wars collaboration they did 2 months ago made 1.8 billion dollars.

Nobody cares about Solid Snake, or his games, because no one has the stomach to eat up a bunch of movies with such poor gameplay, what little there is.

>>714043663
No, only thing he has ahead is OD and Physint.

>>714043665
The cutscenes are a bit long yea.

>>714043610
>what is nintendo

>>714043225
>Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, and 3 were recently rereleased
And they flopped hard.

>>714043225
>>714044053
For comparison, here's the decade old MGSV

>UK
How about a real country and not a caliphate?

>>714043964
Oh you mean the inferior handheld to the ally and deck? The handheld that ends up costing 1300 - $1600 all in with 10 games?

Lol

>>714043436
>No they don't
Videos on MGS1-3 still get made and can rack up hundreds of thousands of views, especially those essay videos that Gen Z loves. The games still get gameplay compilations and speedrunning to this day, especially after the MC got released.There were even randomizers recently made.
https://youtu.be/235N2qCw4_c?si=PWO6416KSu8n3Roa
https://youtu.be/JZxQjXz9a6w?si=09ntaff5lGcVwMGM
https://youtu.be/PHQXs-n7s3w?si=Km1tdi_9htbv8KVq
https://youtu.be/8C7W7kIizdw?si=3gwhwtrxQmM3hMQu

>>714044053
Those versions unironically may have been pirated more than bought on PC.

>>714018213 (OP)
Just pretend it sold.

>>714044249
Far more people are playing the Switch than the Deck or Ally which are niche machines

>>714018213 (OP)
Game didn't need a sequel
Kojima celeb wank fatigue

>>714039565
I turn off rumble because it's a waste of battery. Dodged a bullet.

>>714018568
this
im waiting for pc

>>714018213 (OP)
Death Stranding 1 had the benefit of the doubt as it was a brand new IP by Kojima
with the sequel everyone knows it's more walking shit and weird kojima writing

>>714044357
>typical vids about muh plot
This is why the MC sold like this
>>714044053
Games centered on a plot that has writing that makes shitty MCU movies look genius in comparison.
The MGSV videos are all gameplay compilations, since the gameplay isn't garbage, hence why it gets these numbers >>714044104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCaPqbjvESs

>>714022962
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Death Stranding. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the trigger buttons most of the traversal will go over a typical gamer's head. There's also Kojima's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his writing - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Hollywood movies, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these references, to realize that they're not just films - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Death Stranding truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the meaning behind Amelie's existential catchphrase "Like Mario and Princess 'Beach'" which itself is a cryptic reference to videogame classic, Super Mario Bros. 2. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Kojima's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Norman Reedus tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

>>714018213 (OP)
That's not what you're twitter post said

>>714044610
>typical vids about muh plot
I also posted gameplay stuff but let's be honest, most people who talk about MGR never actually played it, they only talk about the memes.
>The MGSV videos are all gameplay compilations
There are plenty of video essays for MGSV as well

>ps5 exclusive
>ps5 pro and sizable chunk of base ps5 are digital only
>talking about physical sales
Why did it flop guys?!?!

DS1 got a ton of hype because people were fascinated by the idea of what Kojima would do once he was finally "free" from MGS. Now we know the answer; he'd make a nonsensical plot with tons of unnecessary celebrity guest appearances dragging down a game which is an interesting concept but not one I'd consider paying full price for let alone $70 for the sequel. And from what I've seen of the second one he just doubles down even more on just shoving whatever wacky idea comes to mind into the game.

>>714018213 (OP)
im tired of being baited by Kojima so I'll pass.

Let's be honest, none of death stranding's characters were as memorable and as iconic as MGS. I guess Fragile but thats just Lea Seydoux's every other character. Same with sam being just norman reedus.

>>714044740
>There are plenty of video essays for MGSV as well
And those have nothing to do with it's popularity.
Videogames are not for storytelling, they are for playing, and this is why the MC flopped and why the MGS3 remake will flop.

I take back everything bad I said about George Lucas. Kojima is the biggest hack I've seen.

>>714044860
So iconic they are completely forgotten.
Only Raiden is popular, and because of Tiktok memes.
A generic soldier with a bandana is only iconic to toddlers, and toddlers are also the only people who could take MGS' stupid plot seriously.

>>714044448
The steam deck has sold more units than the switch 2 though and it's up 50% year over year the switch 2 is the swan song of retarded consoles with shitty closed marketplaces and exclusives

>>714044862
>why the MGS3 remake will flop.
People said the same thing about the SH2 remake (a game that is even more storyfag focused than MGS).

Because Doom is destined Goty. Simple as.

>>714044934
George Lucas is a great director, what the fuck are you going on about, MGSfag

>>714045020
Because horror retards are starved for games that aren't RE or streamer bait crap.
MGS1, 2, 3 and 4 meanwhile are the bottom of the barrel of the stealth genre.
There's no reason to buy them when you have Hitman, or MGSV.

>>714044860
The problem is that most of the characters are played by hollywood actors or have their likeness based on famous directors which means you won't see characters like Sam as their own thing but rather you will always see Norman Reedus instead. By contrast, Snake initially looked like Kyle Reese or Mel Gibson until MGS1 gave him a distinct appearance and personality.

Basically mocap shit is cancer

>>714018213 (OP)
I have seen 3 clips from this game
>dancing nigger
>kissing tentacles
>some guitar duel (?)
I thought it was about walking but it looks more like some experimental film, which tracks given that it's a kojimbo game.

>>714044563
I turned off your comment because its a waste of bandwidth

>>714018213 (OP)
no one has a ps5, and if they did buy it they forgot about it a long time ago. not enough games for retention. I'm not talking about /v/, I'm talking about the general public. this is a completely failed generation.

i still need to finish the first game so its a good thing it hasn't come out on PC yet

>>714018213 (OP)
King of /v/ has spoken

>>714018568
>Waiting for PC
yeah fucking same and its painful. I've seen some videos and somehow the scale of enviroments is even greater in this one.
I just want even nicer vidya mountains

>>714045173
Hitman and MGSV are totally different types of stealth, they are open world type of games with a focus on scale. The more smaller focused style stealth died with Splinter Cell and Thief so classic MGS is the only thing keeping it alive

>>714045506
I thought even the tranny chasers stopped paying attention to him after he got caught lying about Resident Evil 8

>>714045302
Splid Snake has no personality.
He's supposed to be a generic war vet but then goes around saying stupid shit like
>I-I can't believe a girl could be this cute...
like some stupid anime high schooler

>>714045364
which is a shame because a walking courier game could've been fun
there's a market for simulator games, just look at snowtracks or euro truck simulator. The concept of correctly loading your backpack for baggage and carefully traversing the countryside whilst listening to the radio could've been comfy
instead you got dancing niggers and shitty ghosts interrupting that

>>714019236
Nah, even /v/ proves this. The moment anyone even criticizes mgs v - ds2 in a DS thread you’re met with rabid hostility, even if your argument is in good faith and mature.

I'm a simple man. I see Debra Wilson's ugly face, I keep my money away from that place

personally not a fan of how there's more combat with more guns and tools
i just want more walking and trekking stuff
where the hell are my walking sticks and ice axes?

>>714045536
>classic MGS keeping it alive
The MC flopped, dumbass, those games are keeping nothing alive.
And Splinter Cell and Thief always mogged MGS anyway, in both gameplay and writing

>>714045506
>everything that snagged mechanically and narratively about DS1's pacing
there many more problems with DS1 than just the pacing though

>>714045574
>generic war vet
He isn't. He's a mix of James Bond and Snake Plissken

>>714045629
>The moment anyone even criticizes mgs v - ds2 in a DS thread you’re met with rabid hostility
Because it's MGSfags seething MGS ended in a videogame instead of a garbage movie like what came before.
You are just a bunch of aging millennials who want Kojima to make an MGS6 that's a 15 hour long movie, not to play it, but to speculate and theorize, like those obnoxious MGSV pre release threads.

>>714045696
So, a generic war vet.
And that's without counting he has nothing to do with Bond.

>>714045675
>those games are keeping nothing alive.
Do you see any other old school stealth games being released or rereleased No? Then classic MGS is the only thing around that is actually getting releases

>>714044357
ayy lmao
Even zoomers realize the writing is retarded.

>>714045962
No, and the MC flopped, so it's all dead.

>>714018213 (OP)
Xbox nog cope thread

Solid Snake was a lame faggot so that he didn't steal the spotlight from the TRUE hero of MGS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXPskVz2MfQ

>>714045901
>that's without counting he has nothing to do with Bond.
He flirts with girls which you complained about. In any case. Snake is the most famous stealth character in vidya so if he is generic, then I guess Sam Fisher and Agent 47 are non-characters.

>>714046024
Delta is releasing and Vol 2 will be a thing, no need to be upset

MGS3 remake will outsell this shit by millions, even just on the shitstation 5
coincdentally, it was the last good game kojima made

>>714019709
It's a game made for people who liked the first game, not for investors who want to hijack an IP to get money. It's also not on PC or Switch. And it's extremely bizarre even by Kojima standards. So there's not a huge profit motive to shill it, there's two groups who hate it simply for sour grapes, and there's loads of extremely weird and stupid screenshots and cutscenes to laugh at.
Most people who liked DS1 are perfectly aware they're a minority and the game is not for everyone, and don't try to push it. So the discourse around it is 90% people laughing about it or just screaming into the void because it's not on Steam.

>>714046164
Bond flirts with girls, and only to get information out of them.
Snake acts like a stupid anime high schooler when talking to girls.

>Snake is the most famous stealth character in vidya
So much that he's been culturally forgotten.

>Sam Fisher and Agent 47 are non-characters
Better that than being written by someone who is mentally a kid.
Sam Fisher behaves like an operative, Snake and Big Boss do not.
Venom does, mostly because he makes no stupid jokes and only talks when absolutely necessary.

>>714046257
>Delta is releasing and Vol 2 will be a thing
And when they flop as hard as Vol 1 then MGS will be buried for good.

>>714045978

>>714046297
see
>>714044053
Nobody cares about MGS anymore.
Also, MGS3 was a shitty movie, not a videogame, which is the reason it, along with MGS1, 2 and 4 have no popularity today, since people have wised up to movie "games".

>>714046109
On a serious note, Solid is a pretty interesting character. Self hating killing machine who keeps getting used by people with no respect for him, performing tasks that don't really benefit him anyhow.
Also "Personality" is dumb bullshit for women and if you mention this word while talking about a character you probably have a cunt between your legs.

>>714018213 (OP)
because we are now PC migrants. Sony destroyed the good licenses

>>714046628
>Solid is a pretty interesting character
Sure, if you are a 10 year old who only watches high school drama anime.

>>714046661
Licenses can rebuild.

>Solid Snake
>Big Boss
>Deadman
Why can't Kojima come up with names for shit?

>>714019551
its amazing how kojimbo glazers (and weebs in general) reveal their superiority complex in their posts.
you
are
a
fag
not an intellectual. a fucking fag.

>>714046695
He's pretty unique. You totally failed to make a case for Sam Fisher being a real character so I guess I won.

Gameplay of the first game is total ass, the only interesting things were the story and atmosphere which I can experience on youtube

>>714046827
t. used to suck off Kojima until he made MGSV a videogame and not a movie

>>714046420
Bond, especially early Bond also flirted to fuck girls as well
>culturally forgotten
>when he makes guest appearances in some of the most popular fighting games and shooters
>only talks when absolutely necessary.
And becomes the most boring character in the series

>>714018454
>you can simp like a faggot
Not really a compelling argument.

>>714046879
>story
>interesting
The story that talks about "soldier genes"?

>>714046502
Can't wait to see your cope when it succeeds

>>714019192
>flop
>Kojima stated in May 2020 that the game had sold enough to recoup the development costs and turn a profit
No. I mean obviously not fucking stupid do you have to be to think it flopped when it got a sequel you stupid fucking retard?

>>714018568
DS1 sold a lot more on PS than PC and kojimbo got sonybux for timed exclusivity.

>SE
FF16 and Rebirth sold significantly worse on PC despite the latter launching at a discounted 40% price (KWAB).

The only things that sell more on PC are hyper casualized slop like nu-MH which appeals to the Chinese PC base

BECAUSE THE FIRST GAME WAS SHIT

>>714047076
Filtered

>>714046906
The earliest Bond, the one from the novels, is a psychopath who only seduces chicks to get info out of them, and once they have no more use he has no issue using them as a human shield.
He also rages easily and has entire monologues about how much he wants to kill whatever big bad he's going up against.
So no, Snake has nothing to do with Bond, Snake is a saturday morning cartoon character.

>the average tendie or PCjeet seething about anything that contains less than 87% bing and/or wahoo
I'm alreay about 30 hours into the game. Death Stranding 2 has built upon the first game in almost all areas while still retaining the first game's feel. This is the second game I have experienced that felt fresh and nostalgic at the same time.

>>714046961
I remember /v/ saying that about the MGS remasters.
MGS is completely dead, only MFSV holds some popularity.

>>714047207
Remakes are always popular, people are scared of PS2 games.

>>714047127
>the one from the novels
Talking about the ones from the movies and I'm not arguing that Snake shares a lot with Bond either. I'm explaning where Snake's whole "spy likes to flirt" trope came from.

>>714039128
Actually they're still releasing the new CoD on the ps4 lol

>>714046906
>And becomes the most boring character in the series
As well as the only believable one.
Venom acts like a soldier, every other character doesn't even act like a human being, they are either clowns or some cringeworthy
>HURR MY LIFE BELONGS ON THE BATTLEFIELD
anime retardation

>>714018568
Same, I have a PS5 but I'd rather play it on PC since I was extremely disappointed in the PS5.
Hopefully eventually they'll copy Xbox and stop making timed exclusives and release their games on PC on day 1.

>>714047249
>Remakes are always popular
If the game retains popularity, like Resident Evil.
No one cares about MGS

>>714022076
The first game's story was nonsensical too, I'm just here for the gameplay, being a delivery guy in a post apocalyptic setting is surprisingly fun.

>Snoytranny exclusive that pandered to trannytubers
>flopped in Yuropia, the only place keeping Snoy in business
KWAB. GOTY my ass.

>>714047316
> "spy likes to flirt"
He only flirts in MGS1, and it sounds like an autistic teenager.

>PS5 only
>$70
I have a PS5 but I will wait for PC and a sale.

>>714047127
Are you insecure about your age or something? Why do you keep brining up children, is this the only insult you know?
Also kek at "NO, MY HERO IS MORE HARDCORER HE HAS ALL THE SEXORZZ AND IS BADA$$"

>>714047357
>shrapnel horn that is meant to represent his demon side
>ROCKETTO PAUNCH
Venom is an anime character too buddy

>>714018213 (OP)
>Different era
Why do these people not think digital sales are down too

It's over.

>>714047584
No, I'm saying the opposite, Bond doesn't give a fuck about getting laid, he's a cold minded soldier who only cares about completing the mission
The thing about Bond is that it's written by Ian Fleming, who was an actual operative.
Solid Snake is written by a japanese manchild.

>>714039720
>Death Stranding 2 is so uninteresting not even the board schizos want to touch it
Grim.

>>714025590
To be fair he might just be like "oh yeah it was just too ahead of its time. Misunderstood Genius that I am"

>>714047690
Because it's the current trend, everyone's moved to digital

>>714047762
Its not over Snake!

>>714047128
It's a game made for people who liked the first game, not for investors who want line to go up. The amount of seething this is causing is bizarre.
I get not liking the game. It is a walking simulator. And it's stupid as fuck in terms of plot and characters. But it feels like most of the people hating on it aren't just making fun of it being weird, they're genuinely angry a game got made that wasn't for them.

>>714047803
/v/ these days only cares about gacha games and "games" for teen emo girls like Deltarune and the Coffin of Andy and Keley.

>>714047649
Yes, that's the kind of stupid anime dumbassery that makes MGS so insufferable, but the way he acts otherwise fits a soldier.
Not sure how that happened considering Solid Snake and Big Boss are stupid manchildren

>>714047779
>The thing
What's the thing?
>it's written by Ian Fleming, who was an actual operative
So fucking what, retard? Are you trying to tell me that James Bond is "better" because he is more realisticker? Seriously? What does being an "operative" have to do with this? You don't even know what argument you want to make.
>child child child
Were you molested or something?

>>714047028
Well obviously those sales were fake and Sony just funneled money to a game that didn't sell so they could make a sequel that no one will buy so they could spend more money to shill it and buy awards so people will not spend money on it. It's so fucking obvious. Snoys are so stupid. Also they didn't buy the game because no one bought it since it flopped and made no money. Now if you'll excuse me I need to adjust the rubber band holding my joycon since my kart is starting to veer off the straight road

>>714048021
>anime bad
Anime site

>>714032815
I think you nailed it

>>714047873
>The amount of seething this is causing is bizarre.
Happened with DS1 too, it's MGSfags who will never forgive Kojima that they spent so much time theorizing about the hecking plot only to get no story instead.
That was hilarious, Kojima literally mindbroke some millennials by not making a movie.

>>714020562
>have amazing looking setting with top tier art and a world class engine
>recruit famous actors like mads
>blow it because you want to try to be lynch
wtb death stranding played as a straight scifi thriller with good content instead of a self congratulating wankfest

>>714048101
The discussion isn't about who the better character is. He was complaining about Snake flirting with Mei Ling and Naomi and I pointed out that was his Bond character talking.

>>714048101
>Are you trying to tell me that James Bond is "better" because he is more realisticker?
The novel Bond? Absolutely, too bad the movies turned him into a joke.
>What does being an "operative" have to do with this? You don't even know what argument you want to make.
That a soldier will jnow more about how soldiers are than some jap.
>Were you molested or something?
The arguing skills of an MFGSfag, I guess I shouldn't expect much from the people who clapped when they heard about "soldier genes" or the rrveal that Liquid's motivation for his acts of terrorism is that he's a retard who knows jack shit about genetics.

>>714032815
If it ain't broke don't fix it

>>714048119
No wonder it's full of brainlets who think MGS1, 2 and 3 are "genius"

>>714018213 (OP)
it's a pc game stuck on ps5
nobody bought ds1 till it came to pc

>>714046827
Tell me how that post is "glazing" kojimbo at all, retard.

>>714048225
>straight scifi thriller
Oh no, we missed out on a generic sci fi blockbuster with 20 minutes of gameplay

>>714048487
They have genius gameplay. The story/presentation are the cherry on top

>>714018213 (OP)
Let’s see
>the TPP fiasco a decade ago
>then DS1 came about after so many hypes and cryptic trailers, not exaggerating it died a month in.. even the Steam release didn’t help either
>the general consensus about the game was it was full of ideas but ultimately fuck all happened
> did the game revolutionize anything since? Was there anything memorable? Apparently nothing
> sad attempts to recreate some MGS references in game or trailer which comes off as pathetic
> this >>714018313
Why the fuck would anyone give a fuck about DS2 at this point ???

>>714032815
That would have been awesome.

>>714048526
>nobody bought ds1 till it came to pc
It sold 4 million copies on PS4

>>714048686
free on ps plus doesn't count

>>714018213 (OP)
Its the only AAA game with personality out right now, of course the masses will dislike it

>>714048749
also people own ps4 because bloodborne nobody owns ps5

>>714048749
They only count ps plus for the 20 million figure

>>714048609
Their gameplay is so bad that despite the sales numbers MGS has never influenced the stealth genre in any way.
You have to be mentally challenged to give a game about maintaining situational awareness a top down camera that doesn't let you see what's 5 feet ahead of you.

> The story/presentation are the cherry on top
Yeah, the billion cutsvenes bring the shit gameplay and dialogue that doesn't sound human together.

>ps5 audience is nothing but retarded nogs who play fifa and basketball games
>wtf??? why are these people not buying death stranding 2???
its a mystery

>>714048345
Do you always appraise works of fiction by how "realistic" they, even when they don't strive for realism in the first place? Or are you just acting retarded as a shield?

>>714048618
>>the TPP fiasco a decade ago
You mean being the best selling MGS of all time by far and, a decade later, having twice as many players as the MGS remasters at launch, and still getting gameplay compilations?

The only people who think TPP was a fiasco is /v/, a place that just wants to discuss hecking plots and characters,
Too bad that MGSV was a game and not a movie.

Most people who deliver packages get paid to do it

>>714048818
>MGS has never influenced the stealth genre in any way.
MGS inspired the creation of Splinter Cell
>about maintaining situational awareness a top down camera
There are plenty of tools that let you pay attention

>>714048993
Considering MGS does attempts to touch on real subjects I absolutely will, and MGS is a joke, it has no clue how the military works, how soldiers are, or how governments work.
And lets not forget hilarity such as saying that PMCs would replace national armies or that, apparently, the illuminati thought being a good soldier was genetical.

MGS sacrifices gameplay to deliver one of the most genuinely stupid plots of all time.

>artist makes his dream project, good for him
>barely anyone buys it since it's super niche
many such cases

>>714049146
>MGS inspired the creation of Splinter Cell
And the gameplay of Splinter Cell resembles MGS in nothing, since it actually makes sense.
In fact, it's MGS the one that gave up and copied SC's gameplay.

>There are plenty of tools that let you pay attention
Yes such as the map which is basically a wallhack and stopping to see in first person.
This combined with retardation such as guards not being able to see 10 feet ahead makes me wonder why Kojipro was so fascinated with the shitty top down camera.

>>714018213 (OP)
because the first game was incoherent shit, and kojima's reliance on nostalgia isn't a good business model?

>>714049460
>it's MGS the one that gave up and copied SC's gameplay.
MGS did not adopt any of its light/shadow mechanics. The only major changes MGS did after 2 was a controllable camera and crouch walking, both of which existed before SC.
>Yes such as the map which is basically a wallhack and stopping to see in first person.
The radar is a massive crutch but there are other tools to use such as wall hugging, peaking and the AP sensor. I literally never had a problem finding guard positions, especially since most levels are compact and linear.
>guards not being able to see 10 feet ahead
Only on easy. Guards can see very far away on Extreme/European Extreme

>>714049146
pretty sure tom clancy was alive well before MGS.

>>714048756
too bad its personality is like that goth chick who thinks liking tim burton movies makes her interesting.

>>714039720
they tried for like a day spamming the webms of Charlie dancing but no one cared so they gave up. i think now they just find any thread about the game and spam the info from OP now.

>>714049259
Every fucking work of fiction, "realistic" or not, reflects or touches on "real" subjects. Fiction is informed by reality, idiot. That doesn't mean it has to reflect all off it's minutae 1:1.
>PMCs would replace national armies
Not yet, but they are now widely used for conflicts national armies won't touch. Wagner's work in Africa isn't *that* different from MGS4.
>being a good soldier was genetical
It is!
>one of the most genuinely stupid plots of all time.
"I don't understand it so it's bad" grade school level reasoning.

>>714049927
MGS is bad because the author thinks he's making profound statemnets about reality but he has no idea what he's talking about

>>714049827
>MGS did not adopt any of its light/shadow mechanics.
Right, it never managed to have such advanced mechanics, but at least it accepted that the third person camera was superior.

>The radar is a massive crutch but there are other tools to use such as wall hugging, peaking and the AP sensor
All of which exist as patchwork for the top down camera.

MGS's mechanics have had zero impact on the stealth genre because they were all stupid ideas.

>>714050013
well, that's because kojima is a hack.
dude has basic white bitch mentality on things
>war bad!
>peace good!
and then just drapes it in eccentric characters and dialogue to make it seem super dramatic.

>>714018213 (OP)
I'm not buying a PS5 for it.

>>714049034
>muh sales
Congrats for shooting your argument in the dick

>>714050169
what? you mean to tell me post-apocalyptic amazon delivery person isn't a system seller for you?
b..but kojima wackiness!

>>714050164
I think it's more accurate to describe him as a japanese manchild than a basic white bitch
he thinks people in the military live like samurais

DS2 will be GOTY. E33 faggots in shambles

>>714050224
Physical is dying in sorry your dad lost his job at the blue ray factory

>>714050096
>Right, it never managed to have such advanced mechanics
Because MGS is much more faster paced than SC, its arcade like. That doesn't mean its bad
>MGS's mechanics have had zero impact on the stealth genre because they were all stupid ideas.
Well of course not. MGS' mechanics and controls are too esoteric and complex compared to every stealth game out there. Its the success and popularity of Metal Gear that influenced the genre since you see way more stealth games come out after MGS1.

>>714050013
You have no idea what Kojima thinks, you are stupid.
The main "statement" of MGS1 (and subsequent games to a varying degree) is that violence is very, very fun. Sorry this was enough to filter you.

>>714049927
>Every fucking work of fiction, "realistic" or not, reflects or touches on "real" subjects. Fiction is informed by reality
But MGS talks about it. Only to say utter stupidity, likely because Kojima has no clue about anything he touches on.

>Wagner's work in Africa isn't *that* different from MGS4.
Wagner had it's CEO killed and its now basically Russian military.
And that's it, there's no kore examples because all other PMCs are just for logistical support.
Thinking PMCs will replace national armies is like thinking the modfdng community of Kerbal Space Program will replace NASA.

>"I don't understand it so it's bad"
You really need a high IQ to understand what "soldier genes" are about.

>>714050351
>You have no idea what Kojima thinks
Yes I do I've played his shitty games
You can tell he's someone who has recieved no criticism or pushback from anyone and thinks any idea that pops into his head is amazing

>>714018213 (OP)
the game had no sales milestones even ONCE when it was PS4 Exclusive.
Only after it got a PC port is when they have their first sale milestone at 5 million.
Its obvious PC players are the main playerbase and its retarded of Kojima to still not realize this

>>714050218
What's the fiasco then, that a handful of neurotic retards who genuinely wanted one of the characters to be a tranny have spent a decade throwing a tantrum because MGSV was a videogame and not a 15 hour long movie?

>>714050321
you'll pay for this... 70 dollars!

>>714050339
>Because MGS is much more faster paced than SC
And because it lacks any depth whatsoever.
"Arcade stealth games", give me a break.

>MGS' mechanics and controls are too esoteric and complex
No, they were just designed by retards who never played games before, hence the top down camera.
It was also a brave choice to have forced combat sections despite having the worst shooting mechanics ever conceived

>>714021273
The sad part of this for me is that I would dump 600+ dolleridoos if ANY game looked as good as bloodborne. I'm probably just getting too old for the new stuff but it seems like there aren't any good games

>>714041142
> he didnt write any metal gear or even know shit about the gameplay,
It's hilarious that this post implies MGS has good plot or gameplay.
Only MGSV plays good.

>>714050429
It's crazy to think this doesn't have a day one PC release when the game was a lot more successful and jelled with PC players more. The platform where Euro Truck Simulator exists, we go crazy over simulators and cargo delivering.
The game downright bombed and was mocked it was released on PS4, this is not the type of game console players like.

>>714050273
given what MGS is, dude thinks that CIA/special forces are a bunch of faggy men in spandex jumping around like ninjas and having monologues

>>714018213 (OP)
Didn't he literally make it shittier on purpose because if the ending/gameplay was good or something then it's too mass appeal? Kojima will do this but do Tony Khan tier shit with a bunch of C-listers in his toybox expecting normalfags to watch his movie with the new bottom tier difficulty level

>>714050164
>>714050273
>basic white
Reminder that Amerimutts literally mock you if you don't think like a negro creature.
And they wonder why Europeans prefer Russians than those fatass brown untermensch.

>>714021379
But the first game already had braindead combat.

>>714020562
BUCKY ZESTYMAN

With that being said...is it a flop? Holy fuck that would be hilarious, I'm so tired of the blatant shilling this kojimbo gets on /v/ its unbelievable cancer.

>>714050671
Kojima doesn't care, he's been a Sony loyalist for longer than most of this board has been alive and those kinds of people refuse to break tradition.

>>714050809
They are the pawns of Israel, just stick to laughing at them while they cut their own dicks and swallow 20 pills for their wide variety of mental illnesses

>>714050368
I am once again telling you that MGS1 is not a military instruction book, or a history book, and it never intended to be one. Get that through your negroid skull.
>Wagner had it's CEO killed and its now basically Russian military.
Human error, doesn't mean the prediction was terrible. Maybe if Prigozhin didn't cuck he could've made all of Russian military into his PMC. Also national militaries still exist in MGS4
Honestly, this entire attack is retarded. Kojima never intended MGS4 to be 1:1 portrayal of life in 2014, what's even your fucking point
>You really need a high IQ to understand what "soldier genes" are about.
No it's simple. You need to kill good and doesn't afraid of anything.

Ok I am going to sleep. You are a gay nigger btw

>>714050420
similar to george lucas in the prequels.
because some of his works got huge, thanks to being released at a time when those specific pieces of media had never been done in that way, now no one can say now or else.
but in the end, they ruined their own image thanks to their retardation.

People only bought 1 because they thought phantom pain's shortcomings weren't his fault and that he'd have full control over stranding; turns out he was just shit all along.

>>714050903
/v/ insisted MGSV and DS1 flopped, along with RDR2 and Doom Eternal.
The neurotic manchildren of this board just say something flopped if it makes them seethe, they seem to think /v/ has any relevance on the industry.

>>714050809
>thinks the opposite of basic white bitch is darkie culture
ok, zoomer.

>>714020108
more people know ARMS exists then this faggotry.
cope.

>>714022986
>hailed as a PS5 exclusive
>the console no one bought...

>>714051008
>I am once again telling you that MGS1 is not a military instruction book, or a history book, and it never intended to be one
I know, it's a stupid anime clownshow, and I'm mocking it for that.

>Human error, doesn't mean the prediction was terrible
Considering nothing close to that has come to pass after almost 20 years I disagree.

>No it's simple. You need to kill good and doesn't afraid of anything.
>Ok I am going to sleep. You are a gay nigger btw
MGSfags, everyone.

>>714051054
Well, only amerimutts mock people for being normal and you Americans have reduced your "culture" to nigger worship.

>>714051034
>phantom pain's shortcomings
What shortcomings?
It's his best game by far, mostly because it's the only one that qualifies as a game.

>>714048597
>20 minutes of gameplay
so, death stranding but none of the writing matters?

>>714051034
>MGSV
>best selling MGS
>still has 3000 players daily a decade later
>meanwhile MGS1, 2 and 3 flopped hard and struggle to get to 100 players
/v/ in denial over MGSV being the most loved and only relevant MGS because people here unironically ate up the retarded plot

>>714051434
Yes, DS are movies, they are made for your ilk that never recovered from MGSV not being a movie.

>>714022268
>people will deny there is a sony bonus
insane.

>>714051289
>cutting a ton of of bb's lines because koji thought mad max was cool
>can't use the special tank
>wasting all your money on hollywood friends resulting in no more chaoter 3
>dumb retcons like The End actually getting his powers from parasites
>lack of bosses
>empty world with way too little interior locations

>>714051464
Didn't say it was bad, just that it had a bunch of shortcomings. Why do you think I said people bought stranding blindly because of it? Because they were high off the potential.

>>714051608
>plot shit plot shit plot shit
See?
The Battle Gear missing is the only negative.
It's only those low IQ retards who swallowed Metal Gear's retarded story that seethe about it because they don't play games, they just watch cutscenes

>>714051716
Having a chapter 3 implies more gameplay, you idiot.

>>714051675
It fullfilled it's potential.
Though it should have leaned more towards being a milsim, with realistic line of vision, bullet drop, being able to pilot helis, jets etc.

>>714018213 (OP)
>lower than Astro Bot

>>714018213 (OP)
I'm old enough to remember when brown Xbox cucks said that DS2 flopped and it wouldn't get a sequel. Better save your energy for tomorrow's job cuts.

>>714047378
They're obviously not going to do that given that it killed the Xbox brand

>>714050558
>And because it lacks any depth whatsoever.
This is false lmao. The various guard states and how they behave are amongst the best in the genre for example.
>never played games before, hence the top down camera.
It isn't an issue so as long as you aren't a scrub

>>714051779
The mods have given MGSV more gameplay variety than any extra chapter could.

>>714051809
Mgs or stranding? Neither fulfilled their potential.

>>714050809
(You)

>>714018568
You are delusional
Every male.person age 14-39 that has money and above average melanin in his skin owns a Sony box

>>714051859
>The various guard states and how they behave are amongst the best in the genre for example.
Damn, that really makes up for the rest of the gameplay being coded by a monkey.

>It isn't an issue so as long as you aren't a scrub
I'm not, which is why I play Splinter Cell and Thief instead.

>>714051873
MGSV, don't care about movies, MGSV is the only Kojima game worth playing

>>714051913
Go fight for Israel some more, Tyrone Deshawn Martinez

>>714051965
Guard AI is one of the most important elements in a stealth game. Nothing in SC or Thief is like this.
https://youtu.be/fMcrq0w9urg?si=FZUGPtXoqiVbchNB

>>714052129
Go sacrifice yourself for Putin in Ukraine you dumb vatnik

>>714052156
Too bad that only comes into play if you are caught, which is hard to do since you have a literal wallhack telling you where enemies are and where they look.
Again, there's a reason why Splinter Cell influenced the genre and MGS didn't.

>>714052324
>since you have a literal wallhack
You can turn it off in the highest difficulty

>>714031554
I dunno
I don't care either way but the higgs scenes were definitely more Kino in the 2nd game
Dare I say even more CINEMA

>>714052214
Go complain some more about people not being tattoo filled subhumans with severe mental illnesses, amerigolem.

>>714052467
Projecting much, Vladimir?

>>714025971
it's juast fun.
enjoy your ''''deep'''' ''''mature'''' nigger lover antiwhite sim faggolli.

>>714052513
No, you Amerimutts literally call "basic" to anyone who isn't a neurotic nutjob like you

>>714052580
Okay ESL faggot.

This thread reads like a litany of pedantic bitching drenched in seething. You bought DS1, realized it isn't a MGS1 remaster, got your shit kicked in by balance mechanics and remained salty to this day because anon called you a legitimate retard and was right for once.

>>714052534
I'm neither a kid nor a millennial so I can't be bothered with this crap.

>>714049915
You are swapping chicken and egg
Its the goth chick that dropped Tim Burton out of her womb so he could make cultural dishes that her soul sisters enjoy