Just reached 68.2%
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

Stop killing threads

>>714110601 (OP)
based

>>>/ecelebs/

have the jannies given a statement on their discord server why they're having an absolute meltdown over these threads? is this not video game related?

>>714110653
why are jannies anti video games anyway?
imagine being janny of vidya board and hating video games this much

The mask is off. This movement is reddit. It is memes.

>>714110601 (OP)
Reminder most of pizza stuff comes form Israeli using VPNs, since its not a crime to won and share it from there.

>move threads to /pol/
>word spreads
>oh shit
>outright delete the threads now

>>>/b/
Not videogames, fuck off.

>>714110601 (OP)
MOOOOOOOOOOOODS

MODS

Reminder that SKG shills are literal pedos

OY VEY GOYIM KNOWS SHUT IT DOWN!

>>714110653
fpbp

>>714110751
these threads that are getting made a nanosecond after 1 gets deleted are done from the vidya butts spammer, who they already have on a kill on sight list

>>714110747
DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS

>>714110601 (OP)
If you value free markets, you won’t sign that.

>>714110751
The /pol/ posters are surprisingly civil about it as well... well except for their opinion on the jannies.

raising awareness of leto's faggotry

>>714110743
>>714110802
hey ur bot broke buddy

>>714110837
vidya butts spammer is also a literal tranny

>>714110756
SKG is more vidya than all the LOL and bait threads that waste 80% of the board space.

>>714110887
So? Who cares if he wants to cut off his dick.
He annoys the mods and that makes his existence a-okay to me.

>>714110601 (OP)
Why should I care about Eurolard parasites? American website

SAVE ME BABEL MEDIA

>>714110887
how am i trans?

>>714110837
Why aren't they posting vidya butts instead? That's a way better thing to spam.

No amount of deleted threads will stop the SKG

>>714110887
the real vidyabutts retired a while back

>>714110906
You don't even discuss games in these threads and just rant about e-celebs

>>714110837
vidyabutts is unironically a fucking hero though. People don't know the full story of why he does the shit he does.

>>714110950
>68%
It’s already stopped lol

>>714111002
>STOP THE COUNT

>>714110991
Why does he do it? I don't pay attention to gacha shit.

I am on the jannie with this one. You are not discussing games, but eceleb shit. Fuck off somewhere else.

>>714110979
source?

>>714110979
are you talking about the april fools post

>>714110871
I'm not a bot and only 1 post is mine the picture is just really fucking funny to me idc. Tranitors should probably filter this thread for the day CP being spammed isn't a good look for advertising. The banana sybau thor is the best thing to come out of these though ngl

>>714111002
30k today nigger

>>714111002
We went down 7 hours within 40 minutes.

30k signatures and another hour to go.

>>714110948
Butt spammer using your powers for good

30k now

>>714110718
>why are jannies anti video games anyway?
Trauma from the GamerGate days.
>>714110751
They did the exact same thing during GamerGate. They tried to send the entire topic to /pol/ and began to delete everything and add spam filters when it backfired.

>>714111039
Its a movement ABOUT games, with basically no e celebs mentioned.

>>714111111

>>714111063
How’s that estimation calculated?

>>714111050
>isn't a good look for advertising
I do not care trannitors should die for trying to hide what people really feel about this situation

Every SKG thread

>>714111063
what website?

>>714111039
stfu wannabe jannie lmao

>>714111030
He made a vidya butts thread with ak 12 image you know which hit bump limit.
He made another one but that got pruned.
Then he made another and that one got pruned.
And this kept going without end.
I am not even making this up. He just wanted vidya butts thread. IF jannies ignroed him for a few threads he wouldn't have gone this far.
They are entirely responsible for the monster they created.

>>714110708
>>714110718
This is such a weird thing for them to do.... Just like that cripple, why would any human being be against it? This is weird and creepy..

>>714111139
>movement
>>>/pol/

>>714111030
It's simply a demonstration of hypocrisy of the moderation that's spiraled out of control with neither side backing down.
Nothing the guy does is any worse than some other threads that get posted, that's the point. He spams this shit specifically to demonstrate that.

>>714111063
getting the 316,812 signatures still needed is possible, we just need to keep pushing

>>714111165
>>714111180
https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/

>>714111063
ya, the EU site is gaining like 20k~30k sign ins per day, even if it drops to just 15k it will still be enough to get enough voices AND have at least minimum of week to get a nice buffer too.

>SKG shill threads are full of CP!
>also I just made another SKG thread!
really makes you think

>>714110865
reminder to read his thread on KF to find out why 4chan is so shit now. it's not necessarily the staff's fault!!!

>>714111030
jannies banned him over some bullshit and now he is on the anti janny crusade

>>714110601 (OP)
>STOP THE COUNT YOU HECKIN CAN'T FIGHT BACK AGAINST CORPORATIONS THAT WANT YOU TO OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY................................................................. UM THINK ABOUT HECKIN TRILLIONAIRE COMPANY CHUDS, THIS IS ECONOMIC TERRORISM AND ANTISEMITISM AND *checks notes* LITERAL HECKIN COMMUNISM

>>714111165
>How’s that estimation calculated?
Take signatures per day (or hour, or minute, or second, it doesn't matter) and do some arcane magic that involves the number of signatures needed to reach 1M.

Ok the decay of the current signature spike isn't very fast. It's going to settle at a daily level above what we need probably.
It's happening.

>>714110601 (OP)
is mold man still doing targeted ads? i remember he was talking about it dunno if that idea got scrapped.

>>714111242
fuck off back to your faggot pedo site

>>714111318
>that one anon begging them to stop

>>714111318
but I'm working to take these pedo threads offline so your criticism makes no sense

new vid from a guy with almost 2million subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRUgM-RGeA
the gravy train keeps rolling and the momentum isn't slowing down fast enough

>>714110708
because all you fags talk about are ecelebs

>>714111145
dubs are disabled on /v/

>>714110991
And here I thought it was just an unrelenting love for AK-12. /kneel

>>714111273
aren't a like bunch of the guys shilling skg here actual indians are trannies though?

>>714111318
What a disgusing subhuman. Only SKG shills are this depraved and evil to be able to do this. That guy should genuinely be arrested and potentially executed.

>>714110653
Before stopping killing threads, we have to make sure videogames don't get killed anymore.
This is the most important thing /v/ will ever do.

>>714110708
>>714110756
It's literally related to all games... These "people" have no brain.

>>714110991
he's not though. by encouraging him you're encouraging that CP site too.

>>714111416
that too thoughbiet

Alright it's time for this thread to die. It serves no good for it still being up.

>>714111381
>The act ma'am
Az sends his retards faggot.

>>714110653
need to take down leto for that, his shit will collapse without him

>>714111443
>It's literally related to all games
it's not.

>>714111520
I don't know who that is, nor do I care what his opinions on things are
he's got a viewerbase and he's supporting the initiative

>>714111525
>leto
Who is leto? I'm only aware of Ross.

>>714111525
Honestly I think one way to do it is to burn through as many of his IPs as possible since the feds are likely just watching him and not doing anything.

>>714111570
Look up unrealskybox on kiwi farms and you'll be enlightened.

>>714111381
>Siding with a known grifter ready to backstab anything for a meager gain in popularity
Not the win you think it is.

>>714111432
When it was moved to pol threads the supporting people were mostly EU flags + couple of US flags, but shills, spammers and other (((critics))) mysteriously disappeared

How do you respond now, HUH?

>>714111630
>unrealskybox on kiwi farms
I hope you don't mind if I don't.

No joke, every person who signed this commie shit should be investigated for CP. You "people" are disgusting filth.

>>714111530
>nu-uh

>>714111050
>that concern trolling
Buddy, you're literally from >>714110865 just do what you always do, we're used to it already.

>>714111569
>hes supporting the initiative
just like the spammer trying to get the thread deleted to 'make the browns look bad'
right?

>>714111676
It'll explain why 4chan is so bad now, it's really worth a read.

>>714111674
Based. Simply fucking Based.

>so many porn and pizza shills
yeah, EU initiative chads are winning, and will kick in the teeth all the shitty game devs and publishers

>>714111674
>Good.

>>714111674
If 3 people are playing on it then it isn't dead

>>714111570
gay furry responsible for the site in >>714111318
>>714110865 that the faggots spamming the thread are using, if you see a blue-and-white furry creature you're most likely seeing him

>>714111718
don't care, got more signatures, thanks for the bump

>>714110601 (OP)
>my face when we reach 69%

>>714111674
based

>>714111674
That’s pretty based, being able to play the game you purchased when you want

>Jannie surrendered

Damn, better change up your fucking strategy, faggot jannies.

You'll need some industry plants in the commission to invalidate 60% of the votes at this rate

>>714111719
That's sharty's fault
Well, and the mods for allowing it to happen

>>714111674
I kneel Moldman!

Every saar that signed this thing against my boss is a padofile! You sars are unshitted!

>>714111824
retarded newfag

Here's to the based finns and hope they make it to the 0.5% per capita.

>>714111782
Locking TF in, will spam slack tomorrow with this

>we're waiting for your crippled ass in there

>>714111676
you asked who leto is, they did a very thorough job on him, another example of him shitting up the site is contributing to the start of the porn embed plague from a while back

Despite the porn shills we had a solid 30k signature day.

>>714110751
same as gg, retards

>>714111701
It says so on the thing you're signing
>>714111674
Enjoy paying for overwatch 1.3 when they kill the servers again

>>714111662
anon you can stop pretending indians aren't being mass exported to europe by now, we all know that's the case due to (((corporations))).
>captha YAAAY

>>714111873
Hello you
Don't you have a wojack edit to make?

>>714111639
signatures will roll in from this, keep seething

>>714111983
No, because I'm not a newfag.

>retard complaining about e-celeb shit
>literally no e-celeb shit in the thread
>meanwhile the board is full of (not even) stealth eceleb generals

>>714111983
goodbye tourist faggot

>>714111824
who do you think supplies the majority, if not all, of their proxies? that's right, him

>>714111980
>arent being by now
you know if you're trying to paint your opposition as the side thats filled with browns
maybe you shouldn't be an ESL retard

>>714111980
Only UK

>>714111674
I already like Ross, if by a quirk of fate he ends up being the marginal push the industry needs to go into a catastrophic 1980s style recession, i will name my firstborn after him.

>we gave your crippled ass fame and power! >NOW IT'S TIME TO PAY UP

>>714111980
>captha YAAAY
/kgb/ broke containment...

>>714111985
Not a good thing anon, but when your communities inevitably get invaded again by them it wont be I the one to seethe.

vidya butts

>>714111674
Radical

Alright my niggas, any of you ever played the City of Heroes? It seems kind of janky, so I kind of wanted to heard from people who actually played it.

>>714112126
>your communities
what communities? what the fuck are you talking about

>>714112195
>any of you ever played the City of Heroes?
I did. It was ok but i was more into D&D Online personally. Is D&D Online even alive still?

>>714112209
Your would be "revived games", anon

>>714111674
>SKG passes
>less GaaS gets made or GaaS can be played after EoS with all the microtransactions some schmuck bought
Literally cannot lose.

>>714111440
>i'm gonna post on the pedo website to falseflag because i'm a retarded pedo who hoards cp to defend a mentally ill furfag who goons to cp

Why not just kill the people killing video games?

>jannie finally started cleaning up the bad faith brigading by that faggot pedo site instead of bumb locking the thread or moving it to another board
Took you long enough you absolute fucking mongoloid, did you become wiser yourself or did your manager talk down on you?

Will this initiative bring back pic related? I never got to play it.

>>714112286
looks like it is, impressive

>>714112332
this isn't going to revive any old games as laws don't work retroactively, you're spouting schizo nonsense anyway. Anyway, you lost

>>714112404
because that would take more action than spamming a website on an anonymous forum

>>714112417
I like to think the faggot janny got bitchslapped by a better one.

>>714112404
Why that would involve removing (((them))) from the earth, and such isn't going to happen any time soon.

>>714112446
>went up by 0.2%
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714112428
Probably depends on the wording of any laws. The game itself is free, but the trick is you have to buy NSO. I imagine it depends if a lawmaker catches that loophole.

>>714112417
>deleted
kek

>went from 40% to 70% in a few days

>>714111674
I actually have a few 30 year old games in my collection from when i was a teenager. Back then videogmes did not need always online and videogame publishers could not turn them off the way The Crew was taken down by Ubisoft.

>>714112417
maybe its because they already tried bumplocking, moving, and deleting and it wouldn't work for whatever reason

>>714112494
laws should just focus on banning residential proxies they do nothing but be problematic

>>714112513
you misunderstand, it's going to be even more than 30k tomorrow, and the momentum isn't dying

We're all gonna make it.

>>714112620
I think laws should just ban anyone I don't like, if they don't they're racist sexist and shills

>>714112428
Maybe if Nintendo try an re-release it after this initiative has passed and produced a law they won't be allowed to kill it.

>>714112513
>needs 4k more for perfect 69.69%

How do jeets get so many pictures of asses?

>>714112428
it's not retroactive

>>714112619
Makes sense that they stopped, because the more you try to censorship, you either end up killing it or triple the efforts (like gate)

How do I sign this if I'm not in the EU?

This scares kills the corpocuck

wrong pic

>>714111674
video games don't deserve to exist if their greatest threat is letting people play their games.

>>714112775
Immigrate brutha

>>714112761
They got scared of going to hell.

31k now

>>714112446
You yet mistake me anon, but feel free to continue.

>>714112775
>How do I sign this if I'm not in the EU?
You can't. This is only for people from the EU. If you want to help you should make threads on other videogame forums and share the hashtag. If you have EU friends you shoudl talk to them or maybe mention this in the chat of EU streamers on twitch.

>>714112775
immigrate to sweden, the other countries are shit

>>714112775
> if I'm not in the EU
if you are in UK, they have their own petition going on. Otherwise you can try to get it hyped in other placed to get as many of Euros eyes on it.

>>714110601 (OP)
I still can't believe no one's made a paraody of that PFB pie chart comic where SKG antis are just causing more people to support SKG

>>714112775
you're not allowed

>>714112932
Do not tell them that this is on purpose

>>714112076
it's a monday night nigger, do you really think i have the time to correct myself?

>>714111824
This >>714112052

The sharty is really performative about hating pedophiles and CP but they use his services. The ick on eck guy runs a similar service but at least there's a barrier to entry and he doesn't seem like he tolerates illegal content.

Have the jannies forgotten what we obtained from them not even two months ago?

>nighttime for eurofags
>it is still growing this fucking fast
KINO

>>714112972
>shitted on initiative early on because he knew the drama would be a much better way to advertise it
Pirate-sama... ?!

>>714112932
Some anons have been making videogame inspired memes already.

During the previous threads americans, shills and other “people” failed to provide comprehensive answers the following questions:
1. Why is it bad to force government you elected to represent your interests
2. Why is it bad to have more consumer rights and better protection for them
3. Why should an average person read hundreds of pages of agreement he gets AFTER the purchase and gamble on his knowledge of exact laws governing this and perfect understanding of all the edge cases of the phrasing used instead of expecting good service by default?
4. Who except kike publishers will benefit from this initiative NOT passing?
Food analogies will not be accepted as an answer.

>>714112340
Except for the fact that GAAS games aren't the target.

>>714110601 (OP)
>ubisoft might actually have done something good for video games (involuntarily)

weird

>>714113083
>he's the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now

Truly a fine tale of the moldy and the maldy.

>>714113026
>calls you a pedo
>*proceeds to dump his entire CSAM folder*
Why are shartoids like this?

>>714112404
To do that legally you would have to stop buying their games. If the people supporting it did that then they wouldn't be supporting this.

>when petitions start pouring in

ActMan made a vid in support.
Ecelebs all coming out of the woodwork.

>>714113206
Then they say this site has a CP problem, which they caused.

>>714113083

I was feeling a bit down seeing it 24k yesterday, but then waking up today getting close to euro midnight at 31k is inspiring.
Truly autism wins the day again.

This isn't fucking /pol/. The 2016 newfags really need to get the fuck off my board.

>>714113181
Kinda. If Ubisoft had not fucked up so badly in their greed to push The Crew 2 by killing The Crew 1 we might have never gotten to this point. I am still amazed by the greed shown by most videogame publishers.

>>714113026
eckers uses letos proxies
nobody is exactly sure how letos managed to accumulate such an extensive proxy collection (it really is ridiculously huge)

>>714113249
Ah, CIA tactics. Classic.

I’d sign for ya bros if I could

>>714113263
Yeah, I was feeling it was going to be just 20k for next few days, but hopefully with the push from this dude >>714111381 and the future plan for posting about it on twitter on 2ndJuly will give it another big push

>>714113315
ubisoft's greed has been a major part of their downfall

The cripple in pain will lose his grace of god if he doesn't repent his evil ways.

>>714113083
thats what Act Man suggested to be his out but nobody is gonna buy it at this point

>>714113070
I'm worried the reason it's going so fast in the middle of the night is that the signatures are getting botted and they will be discarded during the verification process

>>714113461
I have so many harsh words for Doom 3, but I can't deny that they get the spoopy part correct.

>>714113320
fraud and money, 4chan got banned from one provider specifically because of him

Jason, a second 1M+ Video has hit the petition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRUgM-RGeA

>>714113519
Can't bot signatures too good when they require a governmental ID.

>>714113320
The original one doesn't, I think.

He allegedly pays for them, which caused some minor drama with the og guy. Rumor has it that he's burning up some inheritance on it but it certainly isn't some epic botnet he spun up himself like he wants you to think.

>>714113083
now he just needs to kill himself to close the loop

>>714113519
I don’t think it works like this, as in it adds to the counter if the signature is already confirmed

>>714110601 (OP)
>need 10 000 signatures per day
fuck this is going to fail
good attempt though

>>714113560
I unironically like Doom 3 more than nu-DooM.

It would be better if had just died out and been forgotten like it seemed originally. This shit is going to get to like 98% and fail.

>>714113736
It's getting over 30k daily, saars.

>>714113736
>>need 10 000 signatures per day
We did 3x that today alone.

>>714113121
euroanon here, anything related to "i want the gov't to do it for me" only lead to a slipery slope, sure it's good to know that my own gov't would give a shit about my consumer right but at the same time i don't want that same gov't to use those rights as an excuse to push his shit harder on my everyday life.
i just want to play video game in peace, not have a stupid ass digital ID following me everywhere just so they know when i say nigger to someone online.

>>714113736
Considering it is hitting that triple amount per day, it's not bad at all.

>>714113737
That's fine, I respect that. I'm a person who can respect both styles of games but will always be drawn back to OG Doom and slaughterwads.

>>714113576
AAAHHHHHHH

>>714113576
Did Pirate Software actually save the petition by providing a face for the corpos that can be attacked and farmed for drama?

Alright fags, email some YouTubers. I emailed a history YouTuber and got a response. Doesn't look like that one will work out, but some of them do read and respond to emails. If you REALLY care, picking 3 mid to small time YouTubers you like to email really isn't a big ask. At the very least you can say that you've done your bit
And do what I did. Branch out. The history guy hadn't got any gaming vids, but he's a fucking history nerd. You know what nerds do? Play games. That gun YouTuber you like who looks like a fat nerd? Probably a fat nerd, give it a shot

>>714113121
As just a third-worlder without any horses on the race, I'll attempt to answer these.
>1. Why is it bad to force government you elected to represent your interests
My government tried that Brazil twice and it failed the first time, and cratered the second time.
>2. Why is it bad to have more consumer rights and better protection for them
I hate government and want (((them))) outside my life.
>3. Why should an average person read hundreds of pages of agreement he gets AFTER the purchase and gamble on his knowledge of exact laws governing this and perfect understanding of all the edge cases of the phrasing used instead of expecting good service by default?
Blame normies for being good goys and not reading.
>4. Who except kike publishers will benefit from this initiative NOT passing?
It's a win for jews no matter how you slice. Eighter the government gets more power and ability to fuck you over, or the corpos gain more power and ability to fuck you over.

>>714113761
https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/
nah, the optimistic prediction are pointing at getting 100% at 7th July, and even if there will be a slow down I would imagine it would still archive the needed numbers at 14th

>>714113867
yes

Can I vote if I only have an EU resident permit?

>>714113320
>>714113647
I'll add to this by saying that none of what he's doing is new, it's just more automated now and there's no barrier to entry at all aside from probably being datamined.

>>714110601 (OP)
You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over?

go hassle trackmania youtubers, every motherfucker on that game is EU

Are there really this many youtube eceleb shills on /v/? Or did they only show up here because of this ebegging campaign?

>>714113828
That's why representatives from the movement are sent to discuss this with Parliament. If they're not getting it they can walk.
I also fail to see the "devs cant kill games without a way for consumer to continue playing them" relates to you saying epic racisim word

>>714113883
fuck did you expect from a history channel? should keep it focused more towards people whose content it would be likely to align with

>>714113962
Keep sucking that corpo cock

>>714113083
he's 100% going to force that narrative if the initiative goes through

>>714113935
try your passport.

>>714111674
good
i very rarely buy non-indies because there's an average of 0-1 good AAA releases per year
if this means that occasionally a game I actually enjoy avoids shutdown then I am perfectly happy for the industry to lose billions of dollars (it won't, SKG isn't going to cut into their bottom line that much)

>>714113962
why?
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/You%20fuckers%20know%20what%27s%20coming%20if%20you%20vote%20for%20this%20petition/

>>714113935
Pretty sure they will ask for full citizenship ID from passport. YTou can still spread info about it on other vidya sites

>>714113867
Yes and he'll use it as a claim to fame if it does succeed, becuase it would have failed without him.

>>714110718
>and hating video games this much
More than half the anons here hate video games but now it's a problem?

>>714110601 (OP)
I work for a massive publisher.

You idiots won't change a thing. The attitude inside a massive publisher is "yeah, the games suck and the microtransactions suck, but they pay the bills". Like that's literally what is said in our massive meetings and even the lowest totem pole workers know that's how it is. We know the games suck, but hey pay the bills.

It is unfortunate that I work for a company that takes advantage of people that can't control their finances, but I haven't found a new job yet that has similar pay or benefits.

You won't change shit with some stupid twitter campaign.

PEOPLE. KEEP. BUYING. MICROTRANSACTIONS.

PEOPLE KEEP PAYING $120 TO PLAY GAMES 3. DAYS. EARLY.

You won't change anything. PEOPLE KEEP BUYING THIS GARBAGE.

Unless you can educate people on finances so they stop buying $10 loot boxes every single paycheck, then NOTHING. WILL. CHANGE. IDIOTS SHOVEL MONEY INTO OUR POCKETS AND WE ALL HATE THE GAMES WE MAKE BUT YOU MONKEYS KEEP BUYING THIS SHIT AND PAYING OUR BILLS.

>>714113987
Surprise! Your kind isn't welcome here. Never has been.

>>714114020
Is there any evidence that he can pull of "le 5d chess"? Most of the time he never backs down from anything.

>>714114006
>corpo
why do the shills ITT LARP like they are Cyberpunk characters?

Thanks for the fight

>>714113925
i think that only uses the number of signatures from the last hour to calculate the date. you can see that when the signatures slow down in the night, the date is pushed into august

>>714110708
janies do no like movement threads because if the chance it gets put of hamd somehow.

>>714113121
>americans
If the other thread being move to /pol/ was any indication you're probably American.
>Why is it bad to force government you elected to represent your interests
Simple because they can't realistically satisfy the interests of everyone nor is it a good idea to pass a law that allows them to fuck with creative works.
>Why is it bad to have more consumer rights and better protection for them
This doesn't have anything to do with consumer rights. You were told a that a product was reliant on the Internet and that it may be taken down before the release of the game and you still bought it seeing it as a good purchase.
This is a temper tantrum and you not being able to take responsibility and learn from your actions so it doesn't happen again.
>Why should an average person read hundreds of pages of agreement he gets AFTER the purchase
Not only are EULA's available to read BEFORE you purchase, which is what you're clearly referring to, the necessary information is a sentence on the back of the box. You don't have to read hundred of pages and even if you did you could just ctrl+f relevant phrases.
>perfect understanding of all the edge cases of the phrasing used instead of expecting good service by default?
Are you really trying to say that being aware of how your rights and everyone else's function isn't necessary?
>Who except kike publishers will benefit from this initiative NOT passing?
Consumers for one since it doesn't open up the hobby to government intervention.
By the way publishers gain more from this from consumers since the false sense of security can be used to manipulate you into buying because you clearly don't care about the quality of the game as long as you know about it.

Oh and only SKG Pajeet shills use food analogies.

>>714114005
Who do you think watches those channels?
1: nerds
2: people who would never hear about this petition otherwise
You are fucking retarded if you think branching out is a bad idea. Go and email a couple guys before you respond to me

>>714113901
Explain how this would give the government more power to fuck you over

>>714110601 (OP)
As a vidya developer I'm not going to sign it. Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please. The standard nowadays is online server-based games and those are expensive to maintain.

If you want games to stay alive then KEEP PAYING FOR VIDEOGAMES you fucking losers

>>714113980
They are all Eurotrash, yes, but Ubisoft is their bread and butter. Even if they personally agree with the concept, the fact that The Crew is the thing that started all of is will likely have a chilling effect on the response you'd get.
And even if you could get them to care, they care WAY more about setting a PB that's .001s faster than their last.

>>714114117
The term was used before CP77, zoomer.

>>714114162
Any power to the (((government))) is bad anon, don't do what my country did.

>>714113901
>>2. Why is it bad to have more consumer rights and better protection for them
>I hate government and jews
That doesn't answer the question retard

>>714112428
laws aren't retroactive, it doesn't work like that
you can't just make something illegal and then send everyone who ever did it straight to jail
in this case you'd be trying to force companies to release code that no longer exists anywhere for 30 year old games

>>714113576
NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING
I'M IN CHARGE HERE

>>714114170
or just ship a dedicated server you faggot

>>714114162
Anon, giving the government access to forcibly take property from people doesn't just affect companies, it's affects anyone who uses it in that way.
Hell, you could make a shitty game you distributed with friends, kill it for one reason or another and they would be able to sue you.

>>714110601 (OP)
How would this affect MMOs? If Blizzard kills off WoW, will the EU sue them to make it work on LAN?

>>714113962
stale pasta

>/v/ on a good day: Fuck the games industry, lmao devs are being fired, publishers losing money!
>Anti-skg posts: B... but muh devs and publishers
Something ain't adding up.

>>714114085
We will win because we're on the side of good.

>>714114001
as i said, it's all a slipery slope that the gov't would use from your previous requested right to give them more leverage in adding more control over yourself
>i want to feel more safe
>great now we create gun control
>oh btw, i know you didn't asked for it but i don't think it's ok for you to have rifle that easily so we're just going to enforce even more control from now on
>oh btw i know you didn't asked for it but now that you don't have guns we need to make sure you fully comply with the local police without any questions
>it's all for your security, don't worry about it
do you understand what i mean now ?

>>714114170
I only play single player games. You faggots who work on online games are worthless.

>>714114247
>have more consumer rights and better protection
If you really think the (((government))) is going to give you that from supporting this, you are eighter underage or just retarded.

>>714114152
Are you seriously arguing that this would benefit publishers because they would be able to find a loophole that you might not happen to notice before purchasing? And it has not occurred to you in any way that the government that this said regulation wouldnt close said loophole?

>>714114330
>Kill your game that your friends have been enjoying
Nigga, that hypothetical is dumb.

>>714110601 (OP)
>juicy 32k signatures collected before the daily reset
Feelin' real comfy tonight EU bros

>>714114227
>>714114395
You're a retard who thinks corporations aren't the ones in control.

>>714114085
People also used to driving in cars without seat belts and drinking expired milk before government got involved.

>>714114170
then sell your game with a big expiration date on the cover.

>>714113576

>>714114330
sue over what retard? If its singleplayer they can still play it. If multiplayer then they can set up their own servers and play it, thats the whole fucking point of this

>>714114342
if it has always been presented as a subscription service this won't affect it
plus it's not retroactive
but if this passes (and the EU parliament decides in favor of it) then if, say, next year they offer a "buy lifetime access to wow" thing then they'd have to allow you to make your own servers after their servers finally close down in 2225 or whenever

>32k
We're so fucking back, it's finally time for a real holobunga

>>714114361
Yeah, you're retarded and don't understand how any of this works, kinda like the roach, funny that.
If you're so fucking concerned about the goberment controlling your shit, stop drinking water since it's as regulated as your clothes, your food, fucking everything you own or "think" to own, fucking retard.
Always, every single fucking time, the same retarded stupid arguments with you lot. You fuckers know that you're wrong yet you still keep trying.

>>714114519
Based ross.

>>714114510
didn't it take fucking mafia involvement for those milk regulations to happen

>>714114521
>If its singleplayer
Did anyone say it was?

>>714114342
1. no retro-active changes
2. MMOs that have a subscription model (e.g. pay X dollars to play Y amount of time) are exempt because they're a service
3. other MMOs will be subject to the same rules as any other games

>>714114361
No I don't because these aren't regulations against you or gun owners in your case.

>>714114170
>The standard nowadays is online server-based games and those are expensive to maintain.
lmao go eat a massive pile of stinking shit you absolute degen mongoloid. you should've never been taught to write
>If you want games to stay alive then KEEP PAYING FOR VIDEOGAMES you fucking losers
goes both ways. WOW still went to shit. so go eat that pile fucktard.
the sooner the industry is reduced to one developer, the better

>>714114356
>ignorant anons chime in on things they know nothing about to boost their egos
Many such cases.

>>714114170
>Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please.
You can, very easily, by not making your game a product, but rather a service. If customers are not paying a single, one-time fee for your game then it won't qualify as a product.
If you make something like a MMO which uses a F2P (with subscription) model then you will be providing a service that you're more than free to shut down whenever you please. But if you sell a game for $60 and then try to remove the customer's access to it, that is known as 'theft' and is illegal in the EU.
The point of this initiative is not to change the law, but to get lawmakers to realize that laws are already being broken and create a more robust system to address this particular issue.

>>714114490
Anon, who do you think runs those corporations? Who are the people most common to lobby the government?
You still sound underage btw, maybe go back to xitter.

>>714114386
Eventually all games will have built-in central server dependencies, even single player games. You do not have a right to access our content in perpetuity just because you could theoretically host it on your local machine indefinitely. That is a violation of our private property rights.

>>714110751
got to love how it backfires on jannies EVERY time

>>714114519
>they already did the work they can se the game everywhere
Oh so that's his goal.

>>714113576
What do you think is going through that ferretfucker's head right now? He had such a good thing going with his youtube shorts braindead zoomer audience, now they're all turning on him because he's the latest lolcow.

>threads getting shit up stops when we started pointing fingers
hmm

>>714114085
>You idiots won't change a thing. The attitude inside a massive publisher is "yeah, the games suck and the microtransactions suck, but they pay the bills".
you retard don't even understand the issue

>>714113828
>euroanon here, anything related to "i want the gov't to do it for me" only lead to a slipery slope
False, EU consumer rights policies have been nothing but perfect. If you’re in EU your consumer rights are quite literally the best in the world
> i don't want that same gov't to use those rights as an excuse to push his shit harder on my everyday life.
They already do this without any petitions whatsoever and already have the power to do this. Petition simply asks them to use that power for something people actually want instead of pushing the private chat access for 7th fucking time

>>714114342
MMOs are services as long as they use a F2P/freemium model. If you made a $60, one-time purchase MMO then that would be considered a product and be relevant to SKG.

>>714114671
>You can, very easily, by not making your game a product, but rather a service
So basically you're saying they can only do "what they want" if they do it a specific way.

>but to get lawmakers to realize that laws are already being broken
Want to know the fun part? Absolutely zero laws have been broken.

Everyone! Lend Ross your power!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!

>>714114776
Just because a payment is one-time does not mean it is a product. You are merely making a one-time payment for a subscription.

>>714111674
why do zoomers fear and mald over people playing their games instead of moving to next product

>>714114714
Which pretty much confirms it was some janny.

>>714114686
You're literally running defense for some faggot with an MBA and 0 skills. You're the one who needs to grow up.

>>714114834
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

COME ON 69%

>>714114747
>EU consumer rights policies have been nothing but perfect.
Is that why companies have ended up benefiting from them?

>>714111432
yes, but these are the people actually playing videogames

I swear, it feels like we're back in the 1910s, or something, where people are destroying films, because they're "old." "That one aired three months ago, why keep it?" People are going to look back at games being terminated, and sunset, and think we're all a bunch of wasteful, destructive retards.

Is it good or bad that fewer people are signing this petition every day?

>checks other answered initiatives
>animal rights
>water stuff
you know, things that actually MATTER, not a fucking vidya holy shit lmao, as much as I hate Mald, I don't think your initiative will go anywhere EUbros

>>714111674
He is misinformed. You cannot reason with a retard like this.
We will win as a response. The retard won't even notice we won, but he will still parrot about how this is dangerous.

>>714114074
the ultimate ego play move, 4d chess

>714114085
This was posted in the last thread. It'll probably get posted in every thread related to this issue. Also, like >>714114731 said, that anon insists on posting this pasta even though it is about a different topic entirely lmao.

>>714110601 (OP)

>>714114834
\o/

>>714114862
They have been taught that "old = bad & lame"

>>714114876
What?
Look anon, I'm starting to think you're doing more damage to your own side by saying this much dumb shit.

>>714114557
>food analogy
if i'm retarded, you are further below me.
btw, did you know the EU only approve for certain selected species of vegetables and fruits to be commercialized because said sepcies are specialy engineered to resist long travels ? interresting ins't it ?

>>714114915
why are americans so obsessed with making corpos happy? What did they ever do to you? The more eu fucks them the better.
>>714114854
youre paying for an unlimited life-time subscription though, why shouldnt cancelling that be illegal?

>>714114776
>If you made a $60, one-time purchase MMO then that would be considered a product
Uh, no? Services and products aren't mutually exclusive, you're thinking of goods.

>>714114957
It's not though.

>>714114834

>>714115035
You showed your hand

>>714111674

>>714114651
i'm french, we have gun laws and they are nothing compared to how they were after our revolution

>>714115038
Nta but,
>food analogy
Where?

>>714115049
>why are americans so obsessed with making corpos happy? What did they ever do to you? The more eu fucks them the better.
The EU has never fucked them over. That's the point.

>>714113835
>but will always be drawn back to OG Doom
Never like the OG Doom either. Alway were more of a Duke and Wolfenshtein guy.
>>714113935
You need proper EU id that lets you vote in an EU country. If you can not vote in the EU you can't participate in the petition.
>>714114198
As someone who sometimes goes to /tg/ i can confirm. Still Cyberpunk 2077 made the term even more popular.

>>714114834

>>714114959
hello organic /v/ user post
thank you for your concern, but this is /v/ideogames and there are people here whi care about videogames

>>714114959
>abloo bloo muh animals
who fucking cares?

>>714114834
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>714115049
The subscription is not unlimited life-time, the subscription is for as long as the IP owner wants.

>>714114826
>Want to know the fun part? Absolutely zero laws have been broken.
Want to know the fun part? You're fucking wrong.
Directive (EU) 2019/770 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 20 May 2019 on certain aspects concerning contracts for the supply of digital content and digital services
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj
Article 3(1) – Scope:
>States that the directive applies to contracts where digital content/services are supplied in exchange for payment or personal data.
Article 7 – Conformity with the contract:
>Sellers must ensure the digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-off purchases, for a reasonable period expected by the consumer.
Article 14 – Termination of the contract:
>Termination is allowed only under specific conditions, such as lack of conformity or breach by the other party. It does not grant sellers blanket rights to revoke access unless the consumer breaches the agreement or as contractually agreed under fair terms.
TOS terms are not legally binding in the EU. If they violate the law then they're null and void.
>So basically you're saying they can only do "what they want" if they do it a specific way.
Wow, companies can only do what they want when it doesn't involve fucking the customer up the ass? Crazy, I think we should go back to lead food cans and whole, dead rats in the sausage because the government is unreasonably burdening manufacturers with "regulations" (pussy shit).
>>714114854
>subscription: an amount of money that you pay regularly to receive a product or service
retard

>>714114959
You can care about multiple things. Its not hard. Caring about your hobby is normal.

>>714115145
>stop drinking water since it's as regulated as your clothes, your food, fucking everything you own or "think" to own,
we were talking about individual freedom rights, like speech or defense and this dude come in and start talking about food and water not even knowing he can grow his own food and have his own well with a filtering system, an other city dweller of some sort i guess.

>>714114639
The EU should really take a look at MMOs who have micritransaction ontop of you paying a subscribtion. The digital items you buy in the MMO like skins for your character might be classified as digital goods. So even if the game is a ''subscribtion'' game there still might be colleration due to videogame publishers trying to monetise on digital goods like character skins etc.

>>714110708
Jannies don't understand what "video game culture" means

>>714115181
how jewish is this broad

>>714115038
>food analogy
>retard truly doesn't understand how shit works
Either you do know you're wrong and are playing stupid, which makes you stupid, or you're 12 and don't know how the fucking world works.

>tries to pull a poor mans non sequitur
Guess you had your first debate class this morning, eh?

>>714113901
>I hate government and want (((them))) outside my life.
Problem being, if gov doesn’t do jack shit then corpos become your government and try to make your life subscription-based. Getting something good from them fucking with each other is objectively not bad
>Blame normies for being good goys and not reading.
I disagree. When you purchase a product good service should be expected, not “learner from mistakes”. Normie or not, youre wageslaving half of your life away, you don’t deserve to be scammed just because it is more profitable for some gigajew to do so
>Eighter the government gets more power and ability to fuck you over
EU government already has that power, petition asks them to exercise it in a way that actually makes peoples lives easier

>>714114959
the initiative is not a petition, the EU commission is legally obligated to take it seriously and come up with a solution
an EUCI has the same legislative power as the EU Parliament

>>714115326
well then its clearly against the eu laws, simple as, nothing to argue here.
In eu laws if you press "buy" on the store page, it means youre fucking buying the game, no matter what shits hidden in the terms

>>714110708
>have the jannies given a statement
Yes, let me quote it to you
>GAWK GAWK GAWK
That's all they said

>>714114357
good side only wins in movies

Every single person I've seen on Twitter that doesn't support SKG has a blue checkmark, and like, 200 followers.

>>714115352
Yes, yes, you're retarded and neither understand how your country works nor what an analogy is.

>>714113867
Ubisoft was already that. That's how it came to be in the first place.

>>714115352
anon, that's... Not a food analogy, sorry to break it to you.

>>714115375

>>714115061
goods = products
a regular delivery of goods/products would be a service but the product being delivered is still a good

>>714115495
are they bots

>>714115495
I am not sure what this means or why I should care.

>>714115516
you know what's a food analogy? when your mum sticks cucumbers up her cunt

>>714115495
...so basically, random dudes
the bluecheck is meaningless

>>714114834
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>714114152
>Simple because they can't realistically satisfy the interests of everyone nor is it a good idea to pass a law that allows them to fuck with creative works.
retard never heard of middleground
i don't give a fuck about your library dependencies. they will be reduced to ashes or it won't be served and Unreal won't save you either this time.
picrel, the EU passed more retarded laws already in terms of digital goods.
you will fail either way:
>release shit asset flip = fail
>unable to deliver respectable project in regulated countries = fail
>give up before you even start = fail
consumer: win-win-win

So why are people against the idea that publisher can't take away single player games that you bought?
Is it just Republicans again?

>>714115670
It's just a subscription service now
Anyone can buy it

ferret bros our narrative is falling apart, normies are waking up...

>>714114834
Forgive me, master...
I have to go all out, just this once

why do we cattle think we have power

>>714115610
>>714115670
It means they pay for Twitter, but get next to zero engagement on there. If you're paying for Twitter these days, it 90% means you're either some kind of grifter, or very specifically an Elon cultist.

>>714115758
Geo-blocking was based, though. If 4chan has taught me anything, it's that anyone who isn't American shouldn't have internet access, let alone play videogames with other Americans.

>>714115092

>>714115331
>You're fucking wrong.
Citing random changes doesn't help you if you don't understand their impact. Hell those digital refunds on steam enabled abuse and the destruction of competition that only large companies could tank.

>>714115812
>RWS retweeted
BASED

>>714113320
>how letos managed to accumulate such an extensive proxy collection
i'd wager a bet it involves bioluminescence

>>714115812
Increase the ferret rape! We can't let them win.

>>714114463
CAN'T STOP WINNING

>>714114834
TAKE THE LAST OF MY POWER
YOU HAVE TO FINISH IT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The cripple looks demonic af, look at his soulless eyes.

>>714115981
Spike dildo? Lubed and ready.
There will be no survivors.

>>714115930
Name 1 business that went under because of digital refunds (you won't).

>>714115604
>goods = products
Yes.
Services are products too. A product is just defined by being something you can sell.

>>714110601 (OP)
We need to bring back exile

"Thor" kind of looks like that old SJW pic /pol/ used to spam

>>714115831
The application of justice to matter is something only human beings understand, not cattle like yourself.

I tip my ten gallon hat to Eurobeans and Australians. Both your governments are retarded but at least they push for consumer rights. Yeehaw.

>>714116058
Kiddo, forget the lube. We're fighting for the future of the Industry here. Your gnome better have a poop-stain by the end of the night.

>>714115930
Oh ya I forgot the entirety of indie games is gone because of that.
Also those aren't "random changes"; those are the cited on the fucking initiative.

>>714115780
They fall for corporate lies that games will get worse or more expensive even though thats happening anyway

>>714115871
that's not the type of geo-blocking you think it is.
Steam basically divided the Euro-zone into 3-4 zones ever since 2005 or so. what it allowed, is for publishers to set prices according to purchase parity in each zone, which means as German you weren't able to buy in Bulgaria.

EU Mafia removed that. so all eastern brothers got fucked. it wasn't used much anyway but at least it was an option.
like i said, more retarded shit has already been introduced

>>714110601 (OP)
I HURT MYSELF TODAY

>>714116149
fat kid

>>714115780
Private property rights. Taking away the IP owner's control over their own intellectual property undermines property rights.

>>714116308
Today was a great day.

>>714116149
>lust provoking image

>>714116369
...and?

>>714116369
most retarded post so far holy shit

What would actually happen if it did reach enough signatures and EU decided to do something about it?

>>714115467
>Problem being, if gov doesn’t do jack shit then corpos become your government and try to make your life subscription-based. Getting something good from them fucking with each other is objectively not bad
The corpos are already inside the government anon, comes as a perk of being jewish. And the infighting is manufactured too.
>I disagree. When you purchase a product good service should be expected, not “learner from mistakes”. Normie or not, youre wageslaving half of your life away, you don’t deserve to be scammed just because it is more profitable for some gigajew to do so
Gullible.
>EU government already has that power, petition asks them to exercise it in a way that actually makes peoples lives easier
As I've stated in the original post, I sadly am a resident of Brazil, and my government tried to help gamers twice, and fucked it up twice entirely because the (((corpos))) wouldn't allow it. So no I do not believe the government jews won't join in with the corporation jews to still fuck you over.

>>714116369
>A: No, we would not require the company to give up any of its intellectual property rights, only allow players to continue running the game they purchased. In no way would that involve the publisher forfeiting any intellectual property rights.

>>714116369
You willfully ceding control by selling it. Want control, then don't sell it, shrimple.

>>714116457
Discussion happens, and hopefully the bureaucRATs don't sign in a retarded law

>>714116369
Read the FAQ before you make shit up, you god damn retard.

>>714116457
Few more sentences added in the eula

>>714114834
\o/ \o/ \o/
Involve your parents for more power. It's like having 3 votes.

>>714116457
Hard to say for sure. Games that rely on central servers might be required to come with a warning label on the cover that the game may be shut down in the future.

>>714116457
It's possible that even with enough signatures they decide to just throw it into the bin, but that's unlikely
If they do decide to act on it they'd take months to spitball and draw up various laws regarding it
it's pretty much the wild fucking west when it comes to consumer laws regarding video games, so they'd be able to do whatever they want within reason

>>714116369
So would you say it's fine to require them to replace all instances of saying purchase with "rent"?

>>714116457
The EU parliament is obligated to consider it, actually consider legislation, maybe draft some laws to vote in if it proceeds.

>>714116596
it's a talking point ripped direct from the piratesoftware video

>>714110708
they really are testing everyone patience
these niggers got all their data leaked and they are still pulling this crap

>>714116369
No one is taking away the IP, though. They're forcing them to comply with regulations of commerce when they introduce their IP into a consumer market. They shouldn't falsify their ability to meet demands that they are unwilling to comply with (i.e. granting free reign over their internet service once they have decided to forfeit their own responsibility for maintaining it).

What you're suggesting is that they have their cake and eat it too, which is unreasonable to begin with and unfair to the consumers.

>>714116457
>If your initiative meets all the conditions, the Commission will consider it.
>Within 1 month
>EU officials will meet you
>Within 3 months
>you will have a public hearing at the European Parliament to explain your initiative
>Within 6 months
>the Commission will issue a formal reply – and explain why it will or will not propose a new law based on your proposal

>>714116457
All of the previous petitions that met the required votes led to actual change.

>>714116617
EU law requires them to actually discuss anything that reaches the 1M goal

>>714111630
Also responding to this because someone just screenshotted my post. Why are you guys so certain that the voice clips are him? /cumg/ regulars messed with voice changers all the time.

>>714114260
Do you feel in charge?

You guys are still trying and failing to own a service?

>>714115432
>don't know how the fucking world works
alright, consider the following.
https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-reject-motorbike-safety-standards/
this was rejected in 2014, technically that mean the government understood my democratic right through my european representative vote and acknowledged it, right ?
well because it made it to the european commission, even if the vote was negative it still is taken in place 10 years later
https://www.femamotorcycling.eu/motorcycle-testing/

an other one because why not
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/27/a-wolf-killed-the-eu-presidents-precious-pony-then-the-fight-to-catch-the-predator-began

and now just a few years later
https://www.birdlife.org/news/2025/05/08/press-release-europe-turns-its-back-on-wolves-and-on-science/

do you still understand how it fully works ?

>>714110708
the problem is that this is video game related unlike most other threads on this board

>>714116687
>Within 1 month
>EU officials will meet you
>Within 3 months
>you will have a public hearing at the European Parliament to explain your initiative
Isn't Ross American?

>>714116369
You can't own a game

>>714116308
By tomorrow, we might be able to get the daily needed average down to four figures.

>>714111630
ineffective strategy, too many IPs, more effective would be going to the companies that provide him with them

>>714116794
he can be represented with a european lawyer and other europeans group members

>>714116505
>>714116596
True ownership of a property includes the ability to control access to that property by others. I respect Ross and SKG and understand that they are not actively trying to undermine property rights, but they are mistaken in their understanding of how property rights work in practice.

>>714116627
Yes, which is why I'm actually a bit ambivalent on whether the SKG initiative gets enough signatures, because that's one possible off ramp for the situation that maintains the integrity of property rights. SKG can get enough signatures without it automatically being the end of the world (which is why I'm a bit weirded out by how passionate some other pro killing games guys can be sometimes).

>>714116457
It's worth keeping in mind that this whole shebang was a "Fuck it, we'll give it a go and at best get an answer" operation from the start

>>714116794
Lives in Poland and iirc, on the books the movement in the EU is represented by two EU lawyers.

>>714116794
i think he is just the spokesperson but the organizers of the initiative are some guys from europe

with pewdiepie this would've already passed

where is he when we need him bros? he should have a fairly large yuropeen following

>>714116741
>>714116747
>>714116687
>>714116457
Don't forget that the EU is already in the process of heavily ass-raping digital planned obsolescence with multiple new directives from the last years and will soon come up with the Right to Repair directive expected by 2026.

The chances are insanely good.

>>714116889
Anon a digital copy of something has nothing to do with "property rights"

>>714116308
honestly, we should've been at one million long ago and aiming for 2 and set a new initiative record. god, gamers are so complacent. what's all this fucking "training" for

>>714116608
Eula? Whats that?

>>714116889
Property rights are a social construct, and are easily changed.

>>714116369
>Taking away the IP owner's control over their own intellectual property

It doesn't do this, but desu I wish it did/could

if you shut your shit down and make it inaccessable, then yes, the IP should go into the Public Domain

>>714116943
he's in his family man arc as far as i know

>>714117002
The thing you don't read but agree to when you download a game

>>714115508
Except no one really gives a shit if Ubisoft games die.
But everyone loves to laugh at a lolcow failing spectacularly.

>>714116794
Ross is a spokeperson since he has been against GaaS for long before the petition. The actual organizers are European(Polish i think).

>>714116943
could get him to talk about it it if enough people went to him about it

>>714116969
Yes, the initiative goes in the same direction, so it should have a good chance of being considered and turned into legislation

I want to believe

>>714117095
>The actual organizers are European(Polish i think).
they must be from atleast 7 different EU countries I think

>>714116943
>EU? What's that? Wanna see this new hobby I am invested in before I take my kid for a stroll in beautiful Japan?

>>714117173
Don't believe in yourself. Believe in me who believes in you.

>>714117061
>if you shut your shit down and make it inaccessable, then yes, the IP should go into the Public Domain
No.

>>714110601 (OP)
YOU HAVE LESS THAN A MONTH LEFT! THE EU WILL LET YOU DOWN AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE!

>>714116889
You're misguided and have failed to understand the initiative. The "control access to that property" is property the EU considers you own as a good.

>won't work retroactively

>>714116943
>>714117065
isnt he shilling linux and kodi and shit these days? this should be right up his alley

Post yfw Europeans do something useful for once

>>714110708
Anything truly pro consumer getting through will piss off the elite enough to flex wherever they can to stop it, yes even here

fuck this gay ass thread Iran is breaking the ceasefire

>>714117318

i disn't pay attention to shit cause I'm American and couldn't sign. lemme try and get this straight

Stop Killing Games is trying to stop corporations from removing the ability to play the games we bought, and allow us to emulate servers for mmo's and always online titles. However, it wouldn't let us buy delisted games like BFBC2. Maybe just keep the servers running for those who own it.

the streamer that I get confused for the 4chan post stealing x account, that pops up on my feed sometimes that gloats about working at blizzard constantly is trying to stop this

now jannies stepping in for some reason against the thread


Is the ex blizzdev a turbo corpo slut?
Why the fuck are jannies deleting threads? Ecelebs?

>>714114152
>If the other thread being move to /pol/ was any indication you're probably American
Polish
>Simple because they can't realistically satisfy the interests of everyone
Petition only asks to satisfy the interests of customers
>nor is it a good idea to pass a law that allows them to fuck with creative works
It fucks with publishers of said works, not with works themselves
>This doesn't have anything to do with consumer rights. You were told a that a product was reliant on the Internet and that it may be taken down before the release of the game and you still bought it seeing it as a good purchase.
I deserve to use the product I paid for even if the grandjew decides that this is not the case
>This is a temper tantrum and you not being able to take responsibility and learn from your actions so it doesn't happen again.
Good customer service should be expected when you purchase a product, not “learned from mistakes”. This is not controversial.
>Not only are EULA's available to read BEFORE you purchase, which is what you're clearly referring to, the necessary information is a sentence on the back of the box. You don't have to read hundred of pages and even if you did you could just ctrl+f relevant phrases.
How can you understand the whole text without reading the whole text?
>Are you really trying to say that being aware of how your rights and everyone else's function isn't necessary?
I am trying to say that when you read “YOU NOW OWN THE GAME**” you should expect to own the game, not that you own it until (((they))) decide that you don’t
>Consumers for one since it doesn't open up the hobby to government intervention.
Not really, anti-consumer practices will continue
>By the way publishers gain more from this from consumers since the false sense of security can be used to manipulate you into buying because you clearly don't care about the quality of the game as long as you know
Try writing a comprehensive thought next time, this makes no sense

>>714117349
All games should have their source code opened and IP laws deleted but that's too much for this shitty world (for now)

>>714117349
Nothing can be done about that

>>714111186
>>714111207
Some piece of context is missing here. The image he was using for the vidya butts thread wouldn't be allowed on a blue board, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he got banned for it. Was it something before that that set him off?

>>714117547
he's just a retard

>>714117446
Iranian-American who plays videogames here. AMA

32,500 on a Monday is pretty fucking good.
Fuck you "thor" you ass pirate faggot.

>>714110708
>>714117417
4chan is controlled opposition

>>714117653
You haven't made a good video in years, Jon.

>>714117547
1 was abib fucking around with lobotomy corp threads and apparently one of the first vidya butts threads got deleted when janny left up a blacked thread

>>714117446
you mean the ceasefire they already said wasn't real?

>>714117449
>I know everything about this issue, I'm just making the obligatory narrative correcting post to further my party's agenda while posing as an unbiased fence sitter
Yeah

>>714117446
>listening to a self-admitted communist retard

>>714117547
There are 2 versions of the pic IIRC. One where she's wearing pants and the one that gets spammed every now and then with her nasty cooter lips out and about. Never got what the fuss was, as I found that picture to be "meh" at best, and seeing it spammed and pruned all the time is just pathetic.

>>714117547
It's the hypocrisy.
Mods leave way worse shit up. That's what set him off.

Why is this eceleb shill thread still up?

>>714116858
Staff has apparently done this once already.

>>714110653
I hope die subhuman shill animal

>>714117737
Oh shit, I forgot that he's the face of Iranian-American gamers.

Ah well, GG

>>714117348
I think I understand the initiative fairly well.

An increasing number of video games are set up to depend on a central server controlled by the IP owner. Once the owner shuts off the central server, the video games become unplayable, effectively destroying the owner's copy of the game without recourse. SKG is seeking to bring this practice to government attention in order to question the legality of this practice, because at first glance, the ability of the IP owner to destroy games that a customer has paid for does appear to be very hostile to the customer.

The reason SKG is a bad initiative is that control of access to the IP is a property right of the IP owner. The IP owner can and should be able to deny access to customers as part of their rights as the owner of the property. This is true whether or not the property is called a good or a service.

>>714117751
ok then geniunly simple question.

what is the reason they were/are trying to suppress this. What bad does it do. I'm not watching a second of any streamer talking about this

>>714111063
>>714111218
>>at the current rate in the last 24 hours
This is extremely flawed because these things happen in bursts, not a constant rate. There will definitely be more bursts as we get closer to the deadline.

>>714113070
>>714113519
Europeans will still be awake for a couple hours.

>>714114915
What if I argued the companies that profited from legislation made wise strategic decisions by appealing to the customer group that is legislators and their tie-groups?

>>714117964
>The reason SKG is a bad initiative is that *made up head canon that doesn't relate to the initiative at all*
very interesting, tell me more

>>714117992
If games will live forever even in offline only mode update, these developers have to compete with their own old product if new release turns out to be horrible slop.

>>714118013
but the internet told me that everything is a constant and that if a country's birthrate is low they will literally go extinct in a few years

>>714117446
TWO MORE FLAGS

>>714117349
>Game gets released because publishers can't help themselves.
>Is now subject to the laws of game preservation
They can't escape.

>>714117964
>should be able to deny access to customers as part of their rights as the owner of the property
they are not the owner of the property if the customer fucking bought it it belongs to him, not the ip obviously but the property is his to do what they want to as long as it's not copying or modifying for money

can americans sign it?

>>714118129
We've already solved this issue
Just do a """remaster""" every 10 years or so and gamers will lap it up

>>714118227
Only if you have a dual citizenship in the EU

>>714118056
SKG does relate to property rights even if it does not intend to. It's like how an initiative about roads would inevitably affect cars in some way even if it doesn't intend to.

>>714117653
Are there any cool games, comics, movies etc that have neat Bronze or Iron age Mesopotamia and Persian aesthetics you'd recommend?

>>714118227
Are Americans European?

>>714118129
That's a pretty stupid reason seeing as how people are a lot more eager to play new games rather than old ones. Doesn't matter how much better the gameplay of older games are-- average consumers don't buy things for the value, they buy for the sake of buying.

>>714117992
It's not needed, it's not useful, and ultimately strips IP rights from the holder while granting no consumer rights.

>>714118227
Americans have no options they're completely cucked by companies, hope the Europeans do it, for no one else is coming to save you.

>>714118267
>>714118303
damn

I tried to sign it but it won't let me. oh well.

>30k sigs after 2 days of falling to a it over 20
Pretty nice.
Also there's a new big eceleb coverage out by some fag called the Ace man. Dunno who that is but his vid gains traction fast so i'll consider that a plus.

It'll be funny for Ross to back to doing his usual thing after this and having new comers get used to the way his brain works.

>last thread deleted
>mfw jannies on ubishit payroll

>>714110718
Just about every 4chan mod and jannie is an SJW that hates 4chan and their entire goal is to make the website unattractive and unusable. They shut down good threads with real discussion and ignore off-topic or spam threads.

>>714117964
you do not lose your intellectual property rights if you allow consumers to play your games once you have stopped providing support. and even if you did, the law could be changed so that allowing the community to continue playing the game would not result in a loss of intellectual property

>>714118473
>Ace
*Act

>>714118227
I can't imagine how fast this would crash and burn in the US because not only do corporations own everything, the Republicans have total control and they are 100% corporate shills.
Actually I can imagine some anti-SKG legislation being forced through by them now.

>>714117964
You're seriously arguing any form of regulation that prohibits or forces you to change your product, as a producer, infringes on IP? Seatbelts, lead cans, lead paint, asbestos, harmful chemicals in food and water, and for software GDPR are fucking IP infringement? Good fucking thing no regulatory body agrees with you.

>>714118481
game dungeon is a rite of passage

>>714118481
Game Dungeon deserves more viewers, it's great.
I only wish that he could have dropped the new Freeman's Mind series.

>>714118563
>the Republicans have total control and they are 100% corporate shills.
You know jack shit about our politics if you think it's only republicans, lmao.

>>714117964
>The IP owner can and should be able to deny access to customers
No, not if the customer paid for it, retard.

>>714118274
Mahmoud Farshchian is the modern master of paintings in the Persian Miniature art style that follows the Persian tradition of Islamic art. They are exceptionally beautiful and I have been trying to ape his art style for years but my drawings are dogshit compared to this dude's.

A game in this art style would be Iran's answer to Okami. No fucking idea how the hell to even begin creating a game that looks as insane as this. Maybe 10,000 years in Blender and I'll get it right.

>>714118212
When a customer buys a copy of a video game, they are buying a license to access content. The license is the customer's property. The content itself is owned by the IP owner, and the ability to access the content falls within the IP owner's rights. Therefore the IP owner has the right to invalidate licenses. In a sense the customer still owns the license, the license is just invalid and can no longer access the content.

As a physical goods example, imagine you buy a car, and the IP owner remotely disables the engine. You still own the car, so your property rights are respected.

>>714117531
I know but it still hurts. PS3/360 days had some really fun/unique mp modes/games.

Ross is right. It's weird that I can still play shit from the 90s but not from the 00s/10s...

Oh well, at least there are efforts by people to make games like Warhawk/MGO playable again on private servers and shit.

>>714118619
you're right, the establishment dems are 100% corporate shills, the GOP are 200% corporate shills

>>714118729
Nope, I own a copy of that game.

>>714118390
It's like 01:30 there, anon.

>>714118494
>jannies
>getting paid

>>714118563
It wouldn't even get off the ground let alone crash and burn because the courts in the USA have already judged the issue and ruled that "licenses can be revoked for any (or no) reason" is legal way back in the 80s-90s. Nothing to do with the current state of politics.

>>714118803
Dems suck more corporation cock than anyone else. Who do you think Google and Microsoft are supporting? Pelosi and her insider trading.

You have no fucking clue, lmao.

>>714116369
Retard.
And even if it did: IP'S ARE NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'RE A COMMUNIST INVENTION TO MONOPOLIZE IDEAS.
FREE MARKET =/= IPs
Patents are a retarded jewish invention to enslave you and benefit their cronies.

>>714118303
Every country belongs to America

fpbp
If someone were to bot the signatures, would it be nullified by that?
>>714118563
>Republicans
I envy your naivety

>>714118862
Wow thanks retarded teenage fake lawyer, any other wrong summations of how the law works?

>>714117964
> The reason SKG is a bad initiative is that control of access to the IP is a property right of the IP owner. The IP owner can and should be able to deny access to customers as part of their rights as the owner of the property. This is true whether or not the property is called a good or a service.
Selling a license instead of licensed copy should simply be forbidden. If the IP owner does not want to sell a licensed copy, he should not be allowed to sell at all, simple as.

>>714117349
Some of those developers are now no longer working alongside their games.

>>714118729
completely wrong
but if it was true then its still very clearly going against eu laws since you press "buy" on the store page when you get it

>>714118862
Where'd you get your degree? The University of Retarded Assholeville?

>>714118519
Why don't you just pirate it and call it preserved like you do every other game? Why do you want to spend money to pirate a failed game with a dead community that will be offline anyway?

>>714118943
No, illegitimate signatures would just be cancelled. But I think if they aren’t verified they won’t even show up on the counter, at least that would be a logical way to construct such a website

>>714118984
/thread

This anon's explanation should be used to start every thread so that the idiot naysayers can understand the goal of this campaign.

>>714118906
>>714118943
>Say this
>When the Republicans just rammed throw a 4 trillion dollar giveaway to the rich
LMAO
Democrats suck, but you're not fully anyone if you're pretending Republicans aren't 100 times worse.

>>714118729
>imagine you buy a car, and the IP owner remotely disables the engine. You still own the car, so your property rights are respected.
... and in what world do you think that would fly with consumers or governments (that aren't american)?

>>714119125
how do you know which games will fail and which won't? and sooner or later every game dies

Does he really not see the irony of this?

>>714119127
>that would be a logical way to construct such a website
Yeah we stopped using logic for that stuff when we outsourced the 3/4 of the tech industry to Indian programmers though so ya never know

>>714118906
>Dems suck more corporation cock than anyone else.
Except republicans

>>714117964
actual gpt post wtf

>>714119265
kek

>>714119265
Rin should double, triple, and quadruple down. Maybe not pop a mana gem too.

Intellectual Property is so fucking retarded.
How come some people believe that you can own an idea? It's like trying to tax you for using the energy of the sun and wind.
What's even more surprising is having so many midwits retards defending it.
Abolish IPs and this retarded government coercion.

>>714119265
What's the irony? That the *other* game is actually doing the thing he says he wouldn't do?

>Thread is pretending like both united states political both aren't just zionists wearing different colored ties
The corporations are not sending their best falseflaggers today lmao

>>714119504
Him complaining about when someone gets something wrong to a giant audience

>>714118729
That approach is against EU laws already, as content falls under digital property and cannot be taken away by IP owner. Yes, you theoretically can force the dev to return your 60 bux if they ban you for saying “nigger nigger nigger”, although in most of EU you’ll probably get a hate speech fine if you admit that you said that in the court room

>>714119530
This is the eternal /pol/tard for you, they can only see red and blue.

>>714119470
Because plagiarism is wrong and IP laws are the best we've got to prevent lazy, spineless people from stealing really great ideas and making lots of money off of them.

>>714119470
>just abolish capitalism

>>714118729
>customers buy licenses to games
By what I know, this is true in many cases. It is not, however, as I think things should be if an equitable contract between the two parties is preferred.
>the ability to access the content falls within the IP owner's rights
I'd dispute this. In the US this is true but as far as I know, it's a gray area in the EU.

The car example you gave is analogous and such a perfect example of what kind of dystopian hellscape the sociopathic suits would like the people to inhabit.

>>714116369
yeah, just like property rights were violated when they ended slavery

>>714119678
Yes, what we need is to end this FAKE shit called capitalist by a bunch of inbred kikes and have a REAL free market.

>>714119265
He felt that was misinformation. Rin didn't.

>>714119265
>it runs fully offline
>has never nor will ever require an internet connection
>CHECKS TO SEE IF YOU ARE PLAYING THROUGH STEAM
*stretches*
Welcome to the finding out timeline bud. Pointing this out will be the biggest mistake of your life, hope this was worth it for you.

>>714119265
I find ironic how now he talks of misinformation.
Next time he had to learn to shut the fuck up, and not show everyone how he lies again and again.
I didn't follow the whole thing, but I would not be surprised if people started to suspect his game will never be finished due to the last red flag Ross exposed.

>>714119708
>Nearly 1.5k sigs by 1am in the morning on a Tuesday
Bless those euros that never sleep.

>>714119237
Ask yourself that same question. This proposal demands developers put expiration dates on their service, ie predicting success/failure.

>>714119673
>Because plagiarism is wrong
It's not, kill yourself faggot.

>>714116505
Which is a lie because server tools fall under intellectual property.

>>714119504
him complaining about misinformation getting a big audience

>>714119470
>Intellectual Property is so fucking retarded.
Here's hoping your online gamer movement fails so bad nobody ever tries it again.

>>714119174
Democrats and Republicans both suck retard
The major difference is that dems convinced a bunch of retards that they're heckin anti-establishment for blindly supporting corporations as long as they're the ones that the bad guys don't like, the republican approach is to say "Yeah lmao what are you going to do about it lmao?"
My point is that neither of them give a fuck about any of us. The other post was from a different anon.

>>714119812
Didn't mean to reply.

>stealing ideas
Wow, wouldn't you need really advanced tech to do that? To literally interfere with someone's brain to the point you can remove an ENTIRE idea?

>>714119839
Being a thief in vidya is fun, but I draw the line at being a thief IRL. No one is going to agree with you but other thieves, anon, and other thieves aren't likely to back you up on the day you end up getting caught.

>>714119708
Yes, slavery was ultimately a property rights issue.
Even if the SKG initiative passes, it's just going to lead to a Dred Scott case like result where the courts will be asked to choose between what activists want (free slaves/preserve game copies) and maintaining property rights, and the courts will choose property rights.

>>714119993

>>714119957
>The major difference is that dems convinced a bunch of retards that they're heckin anti-establishment
Yeah republicans would never run a platform of larping as anti-establishment. Very different than the other party.

>>714120050
I thought Kojima invented everything

>be ancap
>get confused as a commie
horseshoe theory?

>>714120050
is miyamoto the biggest hack in gaming?

>>714120018
plagiarism is just intellectual piracy, get over it bitch

>>714119993
No, actually. What you would need is see their idea in action, copy it, and then create a legal bulwark stating that it was your idea first.

Unless, of course, the person who came up with said idea realized how good their idea was and did that before you. Then you'd have no choice but to eat shit, as God intended.

>>714118274
Sultan's Game

>>714119957
>corporations are always bad
No corporations just always want growth. US Dems run better economies and are more profitable for corps than republicans which is why their legalization gets more corporate lobbying.

>>714120127
Yes, the property rights axis basically loops back on itself.

>"""""steals"""""" your idea
>Does it better
>Sells it for a lower price
problem, faggoid?

>>714120225
Who do you think foots the bill for that growth, anon?

>>714120159
Plagiarism would be trying to brand/sell the pirated media in question as your own.

Yes, piracy is not stealing. It is even worse than stealing. The damage from stealing is limited to the lost item. The damage from piracy is completely unlimited.

>>714120327
Just tell me what you think. I don't like guessing games.

>>714119458
that's actually hilarious, he should totally do that
absolute kino

>>714120353
I've been pirating tendie games for decades.
I don't even play them, just pirate, delete and pirate again.

>>714120127
Just an uneducated retard with a different colored hat.

>>714120493
Based, I do the same thing.

>download ROM of some game I've heard is good
>use the shitty emulator to play a different game that runs terribly
>don't bother using it again

>>714113083
He isn’t that intelligent, and at this point I’m convinced he’s an industry plant considering how he was gaming the algorithm like game theory did.

>>714120353
Wtf stop trying to make me feel good!

>>714120382
It comes at our expense man, they squeeze every drop of profitability out of things until people move on to something else and they do the same. Gaming, for example, is in the state it's in because of that. The thread you're in right now is evidence that it's reaching its tipping point. Corporations aren't "always bad" but it's a lot easier to find examples of them being a bad thing for us than it is to find examples of them being good.

>>714119265
>Overwhelmingly Negative
Is the game bad or are people just review-bombing it because he's a prick?

>>714120819
It's been in early access for nearly 10 years, and for the last like 2 there's been hardly any updates at all. Also I find it funny how it's one of the few games not even on sale for the summer sale.

>>714119957
>Both are retared
>But let me rant about why one side is much worse than the other rather than showing equal scorn.
The Republican shill outs himself

>>714120050
>jumping is an original idea in a videogames
Jesus Christ!

>>714120798
What's your proposed alternative to capitalism?

>>714120819
it's just a shit undertale ripoff

>>714120819
Review bombing doesn't exist, if tons people are leaving negative reviews there's a reason.

>>714120050
>>714120147
>>714120978
You do realize he was joking and instead of taking the capitalist route of trying to copyright jumping and killing competition, he just made better games.
Right?

>>714121073
>You do realize he was joking
Uh huh

>>714121141
>Missed the (laughs) at the end

idgaf about your stupid politics or how much you hate/love the government or corporations, man. No one cares.
The initiative is trying to do smth, the alternative is to do nothing, I think that's all it needs to be said, really.

>>714117964
>control of access to the IP
The customer has to be able to play the video game with a compatible video game system in order for the transaction to not be fraudulent in the first place, the IP holder knowingly agreed to grant access to the video game product and its accompanying services because that is what they are selling, that is their business as a video game company. Retroactive sabotage of the video game product and its accompanying services that the customer paid for demonstrates malicious intent and is not comparable to something like the customer losing the disc. That the specifics of software ownership and licencing is not properly defined in the legal system does not grant the IP holder unlimited power. EULAs can be challenged because they're often deliberately ignorant of actual law.

>>714121073
>he was joking
Looking at nintendo now i am sure that he was NOT joking.

>>714121031
>Review bombing doesn't exist
It definitely does lol... that's why I'm asking. This anon >>714121017 probably hasn't played it and is instead parroting what that other guy said in the Tweet, and >>714120883 probably hasn't played it either but hates EA games on principle. Doesn't really say a lot about whether the game is bad or if people are just shitting on it because the lead dev is PR poison.

>>714121141
One of the symptoms of autism is being unable to recognise sattire, humor, and sarcasm.

>>714120947
Sorry to hear about the functional illiteracy bro
>>714121014
I don't have one, I'm just tired of people trying to pretend the state it's in right now isn't a bad thing for the general public. Until recently capitalism was a pretty sweet deal for us.

>>714121213
I laugh when I tell you to kill yourself, doesn't mean I'm jesting.

>>714121397
>but hates EA games on principle
That's literally the reason why, just look at the reviews. It's all people saying to not waste money on it because it hasn't been updated in ages.

>>714121424
>I was merely pretending
Nah, stop playing damage control from the Republicans.

>>714121424
Still is a sweet deal if you're good at the game. Time to grind levels and get a job that pays above the cost of living.

>>714121397
go look up what the game looks like, retard

>>714121350
>>714121450
>You can still play Nintendo games offline, including multiplayer stuff like Splatoon.
Yup, he was joking. Stay butthurt.

>>714110601 (OP)
What's the best video to watch on this "stop killing games"? I've always ignored it when it came up cause I didn't care about politics but I hear its getting crazy now

>>714121562
>>You can still play Nintendo games offline, including multiplayer stuff like Splatoon.
I think you're lost, jeet.

>>714121587
watch the Accursed Farms videos on it

>>714121671
thank you anon