Do western studios make their female characters ugly on purpose?

>>714141145 (OP)
is she really that ugly?

Anything to own the chuds.

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes and they were brazenly proud of it before major projects started bombing hard on release.

>>714141145 (OP)
Wasn't there an article months ago about how Unreal Engine’s Metahuman Tool was fucking up Women's faces because the Devs were too lazy to go back and fix them?

>>714141145 (OP)
>western studios
jews?

>>714141384
No

>>714141384
Yes. Yes, she is.

>>714141384
No but this isn't an original character for this game. This is a character with decades of design history that 'modern' designers decided to potato for ideological reasons.

I think they do it to broaden their demographics. they already have the straight guy demographic on lockdown so they want to get the other half of the population into

average looking women HATE prettier women so making them normal looking probably works better as a marketing tactic

>>714141384
Yes.

>>714141706
And yet...

>>714141145 (OP)
Is there still any doubt?

>>714141145 (OP)
This is a photo realistic western woman.
Remember you all asked for this I didnt. You all shat yourselves over realistic graphics
While you were playing TLOU I was playing Atelier
While you were playing GTA I was playing DOA
You literally asked for this, dont reget it now. Youre stuck with THIS

>>714141826
>You all shat yourselves over realistic graphics
Nope. I never wanted this.

>>714141765
I meant they want people who don't normally play video games to play them and it's why they're making them more plain looking. I assume that study asked women who already play video games, which isn't really what I was talking about

>>714141826
I miss when we made Characters like Shantae.

>>714141145 (OP)
No. It's just a terrible coincidence.

Imagine being jealous of video game characters.
Imagine being a straight man and lying to yourself so you don't offend those who are jealous of video game characters.
Imagine hating yourself so much that you capitulate to the demands of looney bins.

>>714141826
There are realistic western women that are actually attractive. I realize that your ideal beauty standards are plastic korean dolls but you represent a tiny minority of weird losers that exist mainly online.

>>714141706
>>714141869
Yeah but it still needs context which the marketing departments don't seem to have a clear idea about what game genres appeal to what demographics or why. What's the point of uglifying capeshit? No woman is going to play capeshit the whole appeal of marvel ect. is like the whole appeal of WWE you had to have grown up with it to even give a shit. They think they can appeal to netflix sloppers when in reality those people are so retarded they can barley navigate the menus in said app. There's no way in hell these people would ever pick up a controller of a 700 game system.
This is why chuddies call it a humiliation ritual it doesn't serve any other purpose other than to cause distress and discomfort.

Meanwhile, cosplayers...

>>714141869
The idea is flawed anyway. People who don't play games are not going to suddenly take an interest because a game includes more plain character designs. If the game is good it might still sell, in spite of the character's presence, but it's not pulling any new demographics. The whole 'modern audience' thing is a grift by activists in the industry to inject their propaganda in to games. It's a fantasy and they know it.

>>714142438
I never really bought into the reasons most people gave for why girls are uglier in vidya nowadays. I'm not even saying I have a problem with pretty girls in video games, I just don't think it's for the reasons everyone seems to think it is, that's all

>>714142345
>>There are realistic western women that are actually attractive
Got any recent examples, then?

>>714142498
yep

>>714142574
yeah but big companies don't always make the correct decisions. it being a bad idea to make women uglier for the sake of marketing doesn't mean it's wrong. companies make mistakes

>>714141145 (OP)
Its so obvious. You don't see this kind of stuff in non-western games

Not like the east is doing any better.

>>714142689
You say that while the game has cute girls like Fragile and Tomorrow.

>>714142438
>marketing departments
Marketing is not making these decisions
>>714142674
Company execs were sold on the idea that failure to align with the activist aesthetic would harm sales due to social media backlash (organized by the activists). It was a form of extortion by outfits like Sweet Baby Inc.

>>714142689
>ugly women
>is ugly in game
Wow. Couldn't miss the point harder

>>714141384
not hideous troll, but uglier than needs to be or should be

>woke women get into game dev
>makes sure to keep the female characters ugly
hate to see it

>>714141384
I've seen better looking redheads at Walmart

The writing was on the wall when they decided to get rid of booth babes, despite the women doing those gigs having no issues with it.
At some point, the industry decided that it was immature to cater to straight men and here we are.

>>714142689
I thought this was Gustavo Fringe, lmao.

>>714141145 (OP)
It's incompetence sometimes. If you look at the guys in that game they look off from the models too. Bad angles/lighting will further fuck things. Look at more than the cherrypicked photos and you see the face actress actually does have a big chin.

>>714142863
>the industry decided that it was immature to cater to straight men
I think that's actually it. it's "low brow" to go for sex appeal. so everyone has to look ugly

Yes.

>>714142967
Even funnier that those very same people champion drag queens reading to kids and pride parades where dudes are shaking their dicks at children.

>>714142967
Its just strange it went from "bimbos fighting in high heels and bikinis is bad" to "any woman that is prettier than a lunch lady is bad"

>>714142689
Are you FUCKING kidding me?? She's in this game too?

>>714143081
anon, she's in every game
it's in the contract

>>714142689
Kojima was brainwashed by Hollywood.

They don't even like you modding your games to make the women prettier.

They believe the "male gaze" is evil and must be negated by either removing any trace of traditional female beauty or by rendering the character "off limits" by making them a lesbian.

>>714141145 (OP)
>Do western studios make their female characters ugly on purpose?

OP, yes and out of malicious spiteful hatred of white straight males!!!FACT!!!

>>714143271
This, but also: a lot of these potato-faced women are ugly for an additional reason -- to make trooonies feel less awful about their own appearances.

>>714142779
>Marketing is not making these decisions
It's easier for people to understand what is going on and why I'm just bringing up the end of the line to get my point across, when yes it's all top down ideologs investment groups calling the shots creating the toxic hiring practices and environments in the first place. We can go even further into the esoteric I just thought it would be easier to point at bluehair axe wounds in HR.

>>714142967
This honestly makes the most sense when looking at it from their point of view. It probably reminds the developers who design them of their little television dramas on Netflix where everything is dark and gritty so butter face bitches like Zendaya or whatever are the norm, which is seen as more 'grounded in reality' to them than using a more conventionally attractive female for the main character to fuck. I think the idea of them trying to intentionally emasculate dudes is completely wrong for *most* games, and it's just poor optics on the game dev company's part.

>>714141384
Inside and out.

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes

>>714143590
Look at dem big ass fuckin bobble heads, I still haven't a clear understanding about why they insist on oversizing the heads it's a new thing too within the past 5 years.

>>714141145 (OP)
No but they try and make them look human on purpose, and often humans are ugly on accident, especially when constantly tempting the uncanny valley by digitizing them.

>>714142689
Does she constantly give you updoots like that guy who constantly dies?

>>714142993
This one genuinely looks uncanny and horrifying to the point where it's more insect than human
Even if the agenda was to uglify someone, this shouldn't have gone past quality control

>>714141708
I thought his mom was dead

>>714141384
She's supposed to be a literal supermodel in the marvel universe.

>>714141549
Considering the obscene budgets the games have, I don't buy it. Movie CG which sony does doesn't have this problem.

>>714141706
That's the marketing theory, and yet women consume loads of media like movies and romance novels and womens fashion that are full of smokeshows. And the games they're making with potato faced women really aren't doing particularly well with them.

>>714141805
To forbes readers it's all a conspiracy.

>>714142345
MJ is supposed to be a supermodel.

>>714141706
>Let's alienate and chastise our primary demographic and revenue stream for people who don't give a shit about us.
>What could possibly go wrong?

>>714142580
>I never really bought into the reasons most people gave for why girls are uglier in vidya nowadays. I'm not even saying I have a problem with pretty girls in video games, I just don't think it's for the reasons everyone seems to think it is, that's all
Then you're either disingenuous or just plain naive.

>>714142580
The artists and activists have been very clear on why. Attractiveness is literally one of the categories on the blizzard diversity matrix that they want to reduce.

>>714145501
kek

>>714142617
Nigga, you can just go walk around downtown somewhere and you will see lots of hot women. Colleges, clubs, Target, hell even decent fast food places like Chick-fil-A have cute women working there.

>>714142345
Your games failing to sell consistently every month says otherwise.

>>714141384
Yeah

>>714142345
>korean dolls but you represent a tiny minority of weird losers that exist mainly online
Excuse me mister racist but there's like 1.4 billion people like me and we're the majority when it comes to vidya market demand

yes.

>>714141384
Could be worse. However, MJ is supposed to be a bombshell, drop dead gorgeous.

>>714141384
She’s really mid. I don’t see the problem with making hot women, do devs ever go outside ? Western women love being hot, they love putting on make up and going to night-clubs

>>714141869
>I meant they want people who don't normally play video games to play them and it's why they're making them more plain looking

nah, it's just girls who are in power and want everything to look like them.

>>714147538

>>714147565

>>714141384
Are you blind or just gay?

>>714147590

>>714142689
person on the right looks like Neo from The Matrix

>>714147630
All those things compiled.

>>714142498
I hate (real) women so much

>>714147630
Male writer wants to make a self insert
>makes Conan
Female writer want to make a self insert
>makes Bella Swan

>>714141145 (OP)
that's just how western people look.

>>714146476
>no monolids
into the globohomo trashcan.

Really sucks how the entire western games industry just bent over backwards for women.

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes
>>714141384
Yes

>>714141145 (OP)
Aint this the fat guy on linus

>>714142993
That's just disrespectful to the real women

>>714149709
It honestly is, but they somehow can't see it. That woman IRL is objectively beautiful, and they massacred her for that game.
If I was her, I'd be pissed.

>>714141384
Yes.
>>714141145 (OP)
I can only assume that they do.

>>714149769
She probably secretly is. She just doesn't want to be sued and blacklisted

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes, to conform to whamen. They need too otherwise journos will right articles about it like stellar blade.

>>714141706
women who play video games always choose the prettiest characters
there's zero audience for these ugly woman characters

Catering to straight men is something almost all media is refusing to do now. It's why movies and TV shows have been showing more male nudity for the past few years, and have been cutting back on female nudity.

>>714149921
It's the karen devs and their good boys designing them for themselves

>>714142689
Kojima is such a massive westaboo rivaling Keiji Inafune shouldn't even count.

Gross.

I'll say it again so that the trannies in the back can hear me.

I PLAY VIDEO GAMES TO ESCAPE THE REALITY YOU'VE POISONED. STOP PUTTING YOUR FUCKING CHISEL-JAWED FREAKS INTO VIDEO GAMES TO PUSH YOUR AGENDA. I DON'T BUY ANYTHING WITH UGLY WOMEN IN IT.

t. eastern media enjoyer (because you fucking ruined western media with your delusional nonsense.)

>>714149503
imagine if other industries did this
>umm this car has an engine, that's very stereotypical so we're going to remove it and replace it with a TV so you can watch your netflix dramas and romantic comedies

>>714142689
Kojima and the Death Stranding games are westaboo in the extreme

>>714147630
>Put you dumpy, uninteresting ass literally into the the thing. wonder why no one is interested.
Why do female creatives gat this gassed up but not men normally?

>>714150040
Don't you find fascinating how they don't want us but still chase after our hobbies? Why do they want our attention so much?

>>714143328
You think black dudes want ugly bitches in games? I fucking don't.

Shut the fuck up you blue haired cunt and write an article about your failed sex change.

>>714142993
>>714149709
erm, thats just what REAL women look like, chu-

>>714150335
Maybe they like hiring ugly bitches just to fuck them afterwards.

>>714150040
Based and truth pilled

>>714141384
Yes it's grotesque.

ugly character = no play

>>714150335
Maybe I'm just not insane enough to understand why they're scanning these attractive ladies just to butcher the look in game...

>>714141826
I never asked for this.
I never played these.
If I see less than ideal characters, scanfaces and photorealism I automatically drop
I have all the rights to complain

>>714141869
Since when you attract new people making unstriking products on purpose?

>>714142498
that's a male

>>714142942
if all characters are all ugly, all the times, in all games for 12 years, then it's definitely not incompetence

>>714150548
Political interest / propaganda, but don't think of it like some grand conspiracy or something, it's more likely these studios have been hiring incompetent retards for a full decade+ who care more about virtue signaling their own vain politics than they care about making a quality product so they refuse to have attractive women as their own petty beliefs tell them that beautiful women in media are "objectifying" and evil, so they just fuck the 3D models up to make them ugly on purpose.

Meanwhile, with men it's 1:1

>>714142967

Marvel Rivals has attractive character models, is a Chinese produced game, and prints money.

So long as the western market ignores this problem they will continue to get their lunch eaten and frankly I'm all for it.

Every. Single. Time.

>>714150315
You sex, orientation or race doesn't matter.
If you complain about what they do you are a straight white male

Just stop buying games with ugly, man-faced women in them. That's it. That's all you have to do.

Look at what happened to Dragon Age: Maleguard. Keep that up and they'll either get the picture or go broke.

>>714141145 (OP)
no, that's just how ugly wh*te w*men are.

>>714150335
photoshop and filters and photoshop

>>714141145 (OP)
I'm sure it was just a coincidence that she looks like one of the devs.

>>714142345
>plastic korean dolls
Hotter than 99% of Mongoloid western women

>>714143692
Faces are where most of the personality is happening (in a visual sense), so making them bigger makes the characters more expressive.

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes
>>714141384
Yes

>>714151294
This, but that's asking too much for FOMOs

If you are part of the problem, you have no right to complain

>>714151294
Buying games? Nobody's doing that here, they're just pinata'ing a dead horse about how everyone hates men now and how ugly games are, with cherrypicked examples. Acknowledging that there's games without these issues and "issues" would be admitting defeat; it'd be saying that it's not a widespread infectious problem but rather an entirely negligible scenario of something not being about them.
>They'll either get the picture or go broke
There's other options but even these two don't help. When they "get the picture" (a videogame with hot women comes out, direct follow-up to anything prior not required) they dig right back into their shit sandwich about "we won" and "finally roasties btfo" etc, with no consideration that parties aren't fun if the whole hoopla is just continuing to stew on your hatred, or that such new games probably means the aesthetics of gaming isn't slinking down the drain in the first place. If any ugly games fail, it's paraded through the town as, whatever the opposite of a martyr is. Their holy relic of Evidence That Woke Sucks or some shit (like a style update would've saved Concord or that otherwise unheard of guitar singing wasteland game) where clearly the downfall was from the hubris of voting out the Bikini cosmetics and no other factors.

>>714141145 (OP)
That certainly didn't happen on accident

>>714149921
>there's zero audience for these ugly woman characters

>same old thread with same old images

>>714151865
That's a whole lotta words to just say you're mad

>>714141706
Hate prettier real women. They may be dumb but they ain't stoopid

>>714152126
It's a whole lot of words to say Spider-Man 2 isn't really relevant these days and the only reason to bring it up these days is to set up walls for the latest echo chamber session. I don't even know if the game did well or not, I laughed at the fridge and taser webma and moved on.

Wow, morale is hitting all time lows among tourists, haven't read a sore loser rant like this in a while. And they're still trying to salvage Concord when the very source it's stealing from only got any traction exclusively from its girls and mass porn commissioned from Blizzard. How dense can you be?

>>714141145 (OP)
I think it has more to do with the modelers being incompetent and being too lazy to fix it so they just chalk it up by defying beauty standards. You can tell when there's a deliberate attempt to make a character that clearly defies beauty standards vs the ones that are just fucked up through incompetence that they were too lazy to fix.

>>714151672
I had a suspicion it was due to infantilization of media it's like the same effect baby cartoons have on children in this sense it works on redditors also.

>>714141765
Taki sexo
>>714141894
Shantae sexo
>>714142498
Cosplayer sexo
>>714151102
Laura sexo

>>714141145 (OP)
They do not. The notion that they do requires a conspiracy theory in which there is an industry-wide unspoken agreement for all studios to take face scan results and make them somehow objectively "uglier" according to some equally unspoken-but-somehow-agreed-upon standard and for all the actresses to either be in on this and agree to it, or neither notice or care... and for what, exactly? Because le feminists despise le beauty? Learn to communicate in something other than strawmen, pls.

Add to that that virtually all of /v/'s "smoking gun" images are deliberately cherry-picked images from a bad angle and in poor lighting conditions, and you've got a clear case of misrepresentation. That's why you always see the same handful of screenshots over and over again even though it's been years. In some cases they'll still use prerelease shots for games that were released ages ago.

>>714152664
I don't get why MJ is the golden goose to this schizo theory when not only is Peter an ugly fuck too but they made him in particular look worse through redesign.

>>714150858
Show me the female characters *from that same game*

>>714141145 (OP)
It's because western games are ment to be an escapists fantasy like harem anime.

White women self insert themselves into the game. Not to mention their personal mommy problems.

It's mostly the Harry Potter thing where they are the ugly child of the family. They have mommy problems.

lol what the fuck am I even playing.

>>714151672
we were fine for 20 years without bobble heads
but somehow with better graphics we need to make the heads bigger

>>714141665
It was specifically the designer self inserting.

>>714152767
Furthermore, this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as /v/ will twist itself into all sort of contortions to insist that this or that female character is "absolutely butchered" when in fact they are just obsessively staring at an unflattering picture for hours every day. And if no unflattering picture can be found of a female character from a modern Western game, she will go largely ignored. This creates an incredibly skewed perception leading into a negative spiral of reinforcement by confirmation bias.

>>714153181
She was baffled to learn that people think this btw (writers are not modellers, for one)

>>714153224
If I have a team of indians on call, I can send them my pictures and have a character look like me. Nice try, wokie.

>>714151865
>>714152767
>>714153185
You OK bro? This is an unhealthy amount of seethe. It's not that complicated, it's an obvious pattern that people are noticing and they don't like it. That's all there is to it.

>>714153314
See how you descend further and further into implausible hypotheticals to explain how she *could have* accomplished it, rather than admit it's incredibly far-fetched?
You can probably find who was responsible for the model. 3d artists put these things online for their portfolio. You can also find the credits, and see if there were any Indian names. I think you'll be disappointed in both cases. And that is leaving aside the notion that a minor writer on the staff "has a team of indians on call". Why would she have that authority within the workflow of a large modern video game development company?

>>714153519
Only two of those are mine and all I'm doing is pointing out the flaws with your poorly constructed cope. I can't help that that takes a lot of words on account of the flaws being so many. The seething is entirely yours, hence the thousands of threads on this topic vs. my three replies.

>>714153519
>>714153647
>my three replies
(Including, of course, the one you didn't catch)

>>714153738
Sheer autism, lol

I don't care dude, you do you

Given how the industry fell right in line with Anita all those years ago, to not notice this obvious pattern is retarded.

>>714153809
Truth

>>714152775
Horizon too when literally all the characters male and female are ugly. Last of Us too. The thing is that we're more forgiving when men look less "attractive" because being less "attractive" is more masculine.

>>714153647
You engaging with a flippant hypothetical in such a serious way is really fucking funny.

>>714141145 (OP)
yes, they do
there was a screencap from xitter how they literally demanded an artist to uglify their female designs

>>714142689
>Kojima
>east

>>714153647
Look at you putting that fine arts degree to WORK! Yasss queen

>>714152865
It also has Debra, unfortunately

Even when Japanese girls self insert as the plain jane, she still has a degree of prettiness (see Hakuno for Fate/Extra). Americans though, good god.

>>714154087

>>714154087
>wh*te w*m*n does the black female head thing
Cultural appropriation

>>714153794
Great, you have a nice day now

>>714153909
It needs to be said because, however autistic you may think I am for doing it, you know there are legions of /v/irgins who are at least ten times as autistic as I am and will get genuinely upset that this undeserving feeeeemoid "obviously" subverted the artistic integrity of a video game character model by existing within proximity of the game being made, and then proceed not to shut up about it for two decades as they come gradually more and more unhinged. And if I can prevent just one of them, with a well-placed low-effort reply as the voice of reason, why shouldn't I?

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes, their self proclaimed goal is to change beauty standards. But it really just comes down to ruining a predominantly male hobby just because they hate men.

>>714154191
>>714154192
Case in point

>>714141145 (OP)
They need to stop aping for REALISM and instead be creative. That's it.

>>714141894
At least we got Sybil.

>>714154191
Err, is this low effort for you? I mean that would be kind of impressive if it weren't in this context

>>714153519
>it's an obvious pattern that people are noticing
It's a non-singular occurrence that morons are feasting on until even the bones and plate are gone. Not a pattern, not obvious.
>and they don't like it
Which I have no problem with whatsoever, MJ looks pretty bad in this game, I'm not gonna make people fuck her or anything. However
>>714153519
>That's all there is to it.
"All there is" is a shitload of needless circlejerk threads about "how bad things are now" even when "now" has come and gone already. It's a fucking mountain for being just "all there is" and I can't grasp the appeal of huddling into a corner to nod at each others delusions. MJ is ugly? She's not alone in that, in her own game. You hate ugly women in games? Great, discuss the better ones at least. Many games have this issue? Certainly if you narrow your vision intentionally to spot them, or even reach for more, but it's a joke to say sexy women have ever been an extinct species in games, or that X Y Z new game will finally bring it back. All of this isn't even getting into the second phase of this schizo plague, which is to take that notion and extend it to fit "and this is why the West sucks and the East is better btw". Oh one last thing
>an unhealthy amount of seethe
I'm only one of the posts you've replied to, the first one is it matters, and it's not seething to say people are acting like morons, certainly not on a site like this. There's enough narrative twisting in the threads without you pushing some "woah bro geeze haha calm down man why're your getting so riled up just relax it's not that deep" shit into me and lumping me in with someone else.

>>714141482
Even destroying your own business?

>>714143243
When are the British People going to burn down that horrible government psy op office?

>>714154304
Bro, I'm losing it this is so funny

You need to relax with the walls of text, chill

>>714154267
they're not even trying to be realistic
the real world has pretty women
the real world has women with large breasts
the real world has women who dress in sexy clothing
but none of this will ever appear in western games

>>714153904
To a degree sure, but the uncanny valley still exists and it's still plenty populated
>Horizon
Never seen the men, but then I never bothered with those games even before the scandal. That one I believe you on
>Last of Us
The second one? Everyone looked fine to me in the first one but then I've only ever played it in the early days so it's been a bit.

>>714154304
Whats your WPM man?

>>714141826
I KNEEL

>>714154297
Yeah, I mean, I didn't actually go and look up the writer's position or who the 3d artist was or whether any Indians worked on the game. I just adopted a sceptical stance and typed a bunch of words.
But I suppose I'm going off a different effort gradient than the one used by most of /v/, which tops out at "bunch of words" and does not even come close to including "looking up supporting evidence for your claims"

Explain this without a tin foil hat on.

Yeah the pattern is just too blatant even for normies now, my cousin was totally confused by Abby in TLOU2 and got red pilled hard off of the aftermath of that

>>714142498
nigga that belts hiding a bulge

>>714152767
>seething this hard
Sure buddy, it just happens al lthe times in all the west in all games in al lstudios for a decade. Clearly a coincidence

>>714154552
Concord is cheating

Returnal is worse than I remembered

>>714154351
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

>>714153809
>Anita
Hope it was worth it

>>714151536
>>714154182
Fuck off SEA.

>>714154363
>Damn homie that's crazy ain't no wayyyy [skull emoji]
I accept your concession
>>714154413
Nothing crazy enough to get specifically hired for it, but I like busy hands. I used to nomic games so I naturally evolved to keep up with vc on keyboard. I love to yap and I don't pay attention to my essay length so I've got no shame in text walling when it naturally occurs. No more impressive feats from me though sadly, because saying my piece and light blog posting is all I have to offer a thread like this, so I'm going to bed. I hope everyone has a good night and a miserable morning.

>>714154343

I love that that's just a rogue schizo trying to stop the flood of chuds with hand crafted essays, truly /v/

>>714154612
It's certainly not "all the West in all games" and in fact you HAVE to go back at least a decade to find enough examples to bolster your case, which you then proceed to spam at least once a week to make it look bigger than it is. It's obsessive behaviour. And I've already addressed the veracity of your cherry-picked examples.
Countering any detailed rebuttal of your clear mental illness with "seethe" is blatant cope and projection.

>>714154791
You mean two sane people in a sea of schizo chuds.

>>714141145 (OP)
No, unironically its a skill issue.
The devs hire the cheapest modellers and animators, ones who aren't good enough to ask for a real payslip. Because if you had any real talent, Pixar would have seen your portfolio and scooped you up at a price game publishers aren't willing to match.
I did 3 years at bioware, some of my weapon animations are in Mass Effect 2. Pixar saw some of my work and made me an offer that was literally triple what Bioware offered. Pixar actually poached a lot of BW staff like this. By the time Andromeda launched everyone I knew there was gobbled up by movie studios and only the idiots who couldn't make a clean walking loop remained.

>>714141145 (OP)
The funny part is if a real woman of this level of attractiveness showed any level of attention to any of you coomers then you'd drop your badass facade right away instead of pretending you'd only fuck supermodels.

Thread is officially being astroturfed by a failed tranny, abandon all hope ye that travel here

>>714154960
That sentiment only works if they're at least a 5

>>714154960
She isn't even at that level of attractiveness

>>714155005
It's honestly quite amazing just how many strawmen, unwarranted assumptions, projections, and thought-terminating clichés are working in tandem at any given time to counter your cognitive dissonance. What you have is the psychological equivalent of being held together with duct tape and bubble gum.

>>714155123
Correct, in-game she's at a higher level of attractiveness than this one screencap would suggest

>>714155005
>a failed tranny
so true lol or wait maybe its a seething roastie? no wait its a sweetbaby payrolled indian. no that's no good either it must be a jewish mind agent! careful, they use puppy blood to empower their text with hypnosis. only possible of course due to their alien biology and the earths naturally smooth flat shape.

Didn't Anita come out as a chud recently? Said some shit about how she didn't feel safe walking around in her own neighborhood along with some heavy implications as to why

>>714155248
Failed tranny is funnier and makes "people" like you type more

>>714155262
>come out as a chud
I think I'm losing track of what that word means, I thought it was specifically for anti-trans people. Context clues here have me thinking just plain vanilla racism though.

Yeah thread is dead, schizo's gonna schizo

>>714154903
you are not sane lmao
the opposite of woke is normality

>>714141145 (OP)
Obviously. Western society gynocentric and women are very involved in videogame development now.... they have been since about the 7th gen onwards.
And there's nothing women hate more than more attractive women.
Play any game made during the 6th gen or earlier and the women are all attractive... made by men, for men, just like the videogames themselves were.
These ugly characters are a feministic attempt to change beauty standards, in their favor, of course.

>>714154960
>the real women argument
lmao
video games?

>>714155350
like any other leftist buzzword it just means "norma person who reject my far left religion"
>anti-trans people
so normal people

>>714155386
Oh no, now where will you get your daily fix of rage at a two years old game? You may ave to wait hours until there's another thread full of of uncritical bitching and regurgitating the same talking points unopposed!

>>714155551
Funny thing I've noticed is that literal neo-nazis with SS and swastika tattoos who fly flags at rallies and all that will also insist that they are the only sane ones in a world gone mad with far-left insanity. Comes with the territory.
Objectively speaking, though, you are all obsessive adherents of a petty conspiracy theory surrounding the "wokes" and I honestly doubt this is the only area in your life where you display this irrational behaviour.

>>714141384
Dude, be real. Those proporsions are almost impossible to find.
It's much easier to find a girl with high beauty standards, and I am not even joking.

>Thread is on leftist manipulation of media
>Look inside
>A leftist is inorganically manipulating the thread

>>714155350
chud is an adopted word from sjws it may have meant something else at different points but it's just a catch all for someone who holds right wing ideas. Though here it means racist incel sexist antisemite and generally a term of endearment.
>>714155685
are you baiting now?
people come to their own conclusions about how the world works not through hate but experience and what type of information their exposed to. It's very rational and healthy to reject narratives delivered from the ministry of truth.

>>714156020
Yet another thought-terminating cliché. ANY push-back is framed as "inorganic manipulation". You know what the de facto outcome of such a mindset is? You live in a mental bubble. Everyone who contradicts you is wrong by default. You can never be wrong. Doubt and scepticism are marks of the enemy.
>>714156024
>people come to their own conclusions about how the world works not through hate but experience and what type of information their exposed to.
Indeed.
You can really tell that some people of very limited experience are only exposed to information on /v/. If only you showed a similar degree of healthy scepticism towards it as you do to the "ministry of truth".

>>714156024
>Though here it means racist incel sexist antisemite and generally a term of endearment.
Though if anyone calls you racist incel sexist antisemites you protest most vehemently

>>714155685
Dunn owhat you are talking about.
You are mentally ill and calling normal people "nazi"
You are no different from those caricature you described, except way more gross and lame
The opposite of woke is normality

Damn, you're really not used to anyone interrupting your circle jerks any more. Used to be people tried to argue for their delusions but now as soon as someone goes off-script you scurry back to your holes like rats. You've fostered an environment entirely unaccustomed to having to defend its views.

>>714156024
>Though here it means racist incel sexist antisemite and generally a term of endearment.
I don't see endearment, not directly anyway. A fascet of recycling woke language I guess but I mostly only ever see it used to reply to someone in a way that let's them know you think what they think by pretending to be a mindraped drooling fuckhead. Y'know like person A, say the OP of this thread. Then person B would be the mock opposition, and go "women aren't for you to look at without permission, chud!" or something. I guess I lost track through that, thanks for clarifying.

>>714156195
>You live in a mental bubble. Everyone who contradicts you is wrong by default. You can never be wrong. Doubt and scepticism are marks of the enemy.
Sounds like the woke bubble. No doubt everyone normal voted against that.

>>714156709
I'm calling nazis nazis (unless you are now saying that people with SS and swastika tattoos who go around sieg heiling in parades are just "normal people" in which case you've really told me enough - because indeed, those nazis also call themselves "just normal people").

>>714156781
>Sounds like the woke bubble.
Oh, it does, does it? Fancy that. Good thing you are not woke and therefore entirely immune to that effect. One little trick to always being correct and never having to doubt your views again. Doctors hate him!

On the one hand this counts as new conversation and discussion but on the other hand it's a little funny that even a thread like this one was still arguably about video games before we got here. There should be a way for OP to close shop and try again.

>>714141706
Not even real women want to play as or look at western nu-women.

Wanna test it? Try to introduce a woman to a fighting game they don't know anything about beforehand and watch them pick the sluttiest female characters 9 times out of 10 just based on aesthetics alone.

>>714157050
There is, it's called "New Thread"

>>714156791
Nazis don't exist.

>>714157136
Wouldn't any given fighting game devoid of "nu-women" have this scenario doomed to pick a slut? In any case I remember letting my sister try street fighter once and she picked Juri just for the color. I remember thinking it funny since she notably hates feet. I guess I'm not sure who the slut of that game would be, I only had eyes for Ibuki.
>>714157295
That's only half the battle. Can't exactly say we'll get em next time lads and have everyone decide no more bumps.

>>714157478
Thank you for proving my point.
>>714157529
>Can't exactly say we'll get em next time lads and have everyone decide no more bumps.
Oh no, would be terrible to have those dastardly SJWs have the last word, wouldn't it? Guess you have no choice but to remain and respond to every reply. That'll be sure to contain the woke.
Alternatively you could start spamming big black cocks or something

>>714157529
Not that anon but I remember playing Bloody Roar 2 with this girl a billion years ago and she always picked the slutty bat bitch instead of the far more modestly designed female characters like the lion or the catgirl.

>>714157650
I have lived in the south my entire life. I have never, ever seen anyone with Nazi garb. Hell, no one even has a confederate flag anymore.
You’re an overdramatic faggot looking for some battle to fight because you have nothing else in your life.
The demand for Nazis far exceeds the supply.

>>714157650
>Oh no, would be terrible to have those dastardly SJWs have the last word, wouldn't it?
Don't misread me it's embarrassing, that's not my concern here. It's just that this isn't videogames at all, and even the original, misaligned topic is out the window. This thread is a complete failure and closing it for business would be ideal, at least by my standards. I was musing over the idea of OP basically restarting, and so being nitpicky about how literal that'd have to be. I have no anchor here. Never even played the spidey games because I prefer Noir.

>>714155685
what conspirace theory? Considering all the activism in media, gaming included, and them being pretty open about it, considering the impact of Anita - this is hard to deny. Women in western games - especially made in USA - are made uglier on purpose.

Imagine defending the western games industry and thinking you're a good person.

>>714153647
Shut the fuck up, faggot. There's literally photo proof.

>>714157794
NTA but Anon what? The south isn't all cousinfucking and gunshooting and blacklynching like the stereotypes sure but that's a different point entirely from saying nazis don't exist. Me personally I saw Confederate flags in AL, not sure what south you're in, but honestly I couch that more in a stupid sort of patriotism specific to the state, or at worst just normal racism.

>>714158030
47 years old. Only seen Nazis on TV.

>>714157794
>I have lived in the south my entire life. I have never, ever seen anyone with Nazi garb.
Okay, well, I have the internet.

Also I love that this thread has gone 180 degrees from "people are seeing a pattern, it's literally happening all the time" to "stop being overdramatic" as soon as the topic turned. It's just so perfectly illustrative of how none of your shallow talking points are actually about the thing they pretend to be about.

>>714158098
There's definitely a new wave of it, granted there's definitely also a wave of "I don't like how they think so they're Nazis". I have to wonder if the latter would've been as prevalent without the former.

>>714155262
source?

Maybe because you "people" have spent the better half of two (2) decades calling everything you don't like "nazi".

>>714157867
>considering the impact of Anita
lol, Jesus
definition of "rent free"
>Women in western games - especially made in USA - are made uglier on purpose.
For a given definition, I could admit to this - IF you have incel brain rot and think anything less than airbrushed photo models is ugly, then deliberately casting people who do not fit this beauty standard is "making characters uglier on purpose". Then it's really just a matter of semantics and opposing political agendas. You insist on having 10/10 blonde bikini models with DD tits, they insist on being able to have anything other than that.

But that's not the claim that is generally put forth on /v/. People will explicitly say that face scan results are purposely altered to make women "uglier", and that is just not supported by the evidence, not to mention incredibly far-fetched. Conflating these two stances seems like a motte and bailey argument.

>>714142689
MR. WHITE. We don't normally allow men into the cooking room.

>>714142863
Are there even Western shows with booths anymore? Like isn't it all Summer Games Fest right now?
Did Games Convention ever use booth babes?

>>714158504
Do you ever get tired of being a disingenuous little faggot?

>>714158014
That image has very bad compression distorting her facial features and you also deliberately chose one where they have the same lopsided smile (what, did she do the animations as well?).

If you look at for example this image, which wasn't cobbled together by an incel with a chip on his shoulder but simply taken from the internet (forgive the embedded tweet), you can see that if you compare the shape of the eyes, the nose, and even the jawline, the model aligns very closely to the actress they used, even if in her picture she is using a lot of make-up and flattering lighting.

>>714158098
So how many blue-haired SJWs and trannies have you seen outside of TV, for comparison?

>>714158663
I dunno, don't you ever get tired of sucking your uncle's dick?

>>714158789
Why do you talk as if no one has played the game?

>>714141145 (OP)
the black one in miles morales was cuter

Everything about character design especially main character is intentional. It goes through numerous revisions and approvals. You can now stop making this thread.

>>714158902
Nice motte and bailey you got there.

>>714158912
>Admitting to playing a game you've hated since before release
Damn

>>714158857
I see them hanging around in my third world islamist country

>>714158951
Wow, look who just learnt a new word! Now the next step is to look it up.

>>714158927
>It goes through numerous revisions and approvals.
Lmao if you think that means that the final results are always refined to the desired point.

>>714159026
let me guess, some of them look rather stoned too?

>>714159026
But you've never met an anti-semite?

>>714147565
Amerisharts and Anglos need to understand that in continental Europe literally no one gives a shit about this gender war bullshit. No one in Denmark will care about a US or UK campaign because there are too many cupcakes and not enough fat women in the new girly Lego lineup.

>>714158504
I don´t insist of having bolnde bikini models. I like conventionally attractive people - beauty doesn´t automatically mean sexualization.

I don´t want all games to be Stellar Blade - I like Aerith who is feminine, yet not sex bomb character. I like the new Tomb Raider trilogy with more serious take on Lara - she was desexualized, yet still a beauty.

They don´t insist on makin anything other than bikini blond models - they insist on making characters uglier. Uglier is a tricky word here - because the characters still are not ugly - exept for example Concord characters.

They went from desexaulization of women straight to "make them so they don´t appeal to men".

More often - the characters are also androgynous and have male features.

I don´t insist on every chacater to be sexy or beautiful - there are cases where more grounded characters are beneficial for the game (like Life is Strange) - but I do believe that many developers went to other extreme - NO charater can be conventionally beautiful, and there CANNOT be a game like Stellar Blade (we´ve all seen the backlash against it).

And again - all of this is backed by the open often times extreme activism and ideology of the people involved in the development of the games


We have eyes

>>714141145 (OP)
Just like they make males ugly on purpose.

>>714141826
TSMT
I don't see why normalfags shit and piss themselves over muh realistic graphics

>>714159307
I feel the exact same way about it. I don't want porno in my games and I have never understood the compulsion some weirdos have for filling any and every game they have with anime women in lingerie, immersion be damned. But I do like there to be some ordinarily attractive people in the game, particularly the main characters and love interests. Put some ugly characters in there as well for variety, why not. Just not at the expense of removing any semblance of female attractiveness.

>>714159307
>beauty doesn´t automatically mean sexualization.
I didn't say it did. You made that connection yourself.
>I like the new Tomb Raider trilogy with more serious take on Lara - she was desexualized, yet still a beauty.
Okay, well, you already seem to be in the minority opinion there, because NuLara was a frequent subject of these threads. Admittedly, she's also the subject of many coomer threads, but I guess that just goes to show that the people who completely fried their brains on /pol/shit will always find something to complain about regardless of how a character actually looks.
>They went from desexaulization of women straight to "make them so they don´t appeal to men".
You are jumping to the conclusion that just because they don't appeal to you - a subjective opinion that is likely influenced by what you think the character design is "supposed" to do in the first place - that it was designed to do that.
>I do believe that many developers went to other extreme - NO charater can be conventionally beautiful
There are often conventionally beautiful characters *in the same games* that /v/ likes to cherry-pick from.
>and there CANNOT be a game like Stellar Blade (we´ve all seen the backlash against it).
Yeah, well, we've all seen the backlash on /v/ against any character that isn't sexy or conventionally beautiful.

So again, once we abandon the extreme, conspiracy theorist position (which is blatantly false but at least makes objective claims) we instead get mired in subjectivity and "my taste > your taste"

>>714152767
You perceive everything through the lens of conspiracies.
Pray tell, if I am saying it's not cool how there are no milky skinned pale body builders in this contest, does that mean I claim there is some anti-pale conspiracies ongoing?
Can you conceive of other dynamics than just conspiracies? Is your mind that simple?

>>714159307
>>714159678
>>714159742
For example: /v/ will post Debra Wilson in that Star Wars game, but not the Sith chick. /v/ will post that fat woman from Borderlands, but not the Sirens. /v/ will post Poison Ivy in Arkham Knight, but not Catwoman (and this is really a compound error because Poison Ivy is also conventionally beautiful in that game, even if she has lost her perfect animu girl proportions that she had in City in favour of a real model). Etc. etc. And then they say "why isn't beauty allowed???" and then you sit there thinking "yeah! They're right!" but is that really based on your own experience, or is that based on being told about it every day?

>>714159061
You think the producers and designers just say "oh well my artists can't create what i want so i guess we'll just roll with this" lmao

>>714159107
every time i look at the mirror

>>714159763
>Pray tell, if I am saying it's not cool how there are no milky skinned pale body builders in this contest, does that mean I claim there is some anti-pale conspiracies ongoing?
No.
Well, I guess that I do not perceive everything through the lens of conspiracies after all, and I must have had other reasons for calling you conspiracy-minded in this particular instance!
>Can you conceive of other dynamics than just conspiracies? Is your mind that simple?
This is particularly ironic because your answer is always "feminists hate men and beauty!" and not... the developers went for realism and relatability and beauty is subjective anyway and even if they cast someone whom you might not consider attractive that doesn't mean it's done to spite you.

>>714159997
You think they wouldn't, at some point? They're already in crunch to meet the deadline and some cunt is going to insist on a 67th iteration of an already finished character model?

That's because she's fucking ugly, staff from what's it called Star Wars which not a single human being cared for post-launch window after marketing firms disengaged, not even for mockery purposes. This is why it's the only "example" he posted, if you were wondering.

>>714159742
>You are jumping to the conclusion that just because they don't appeal to you - a subjective opinion that is likely influenced by what you think the character design is "supposed" to do in the first place - that it was designed to do that."

Yes - I am jumping to that conclusion - but the opinion is based on the extreme activism of late years - one that is often discussed openly by the developers - like Neil Druckman.

It´s also easy to believe that people like those in Sweet Baby would do exactly this - design (or convince other to design) the characters to be less conventionally appealing.

>Yeah, well, we've all seen the backlash on /v/ against any character that isn't sexy or conventionally beautiful.

Because we view this as a trend. There wouldn- t be a backlash if such charater is an exeption - we are criticiying a trend we are not happy about - that´s why now every game get some backlash

You also have take into account that there is always a minority on all sides that will complain about absolutelly everything

>>714159997
Technology, design, vision are limited, time and money limit then more, and given Spider-Man isn't supposed to be the "defeat evil seductress Mary Jane with radioactive spider creampies" yeah no I think they'll go ahead and ship a game with some wonky faces. Ones you don't even see often outside of cutscenes thanks to masks, action, and over the shoulder cam. But regardless of all that yes, plenty of creators will just send shit that's good enough because it's good enough, or failing that genuinely be surprised that what they shipped wasn't as good as they'd assumed.

This is the first real AAA game I've played in years so it might be that I'm just not accustomed, but the people who wrote the game and designed the missions should be fired. MJ being uglified aside, it's genuinely horrible.

>>714159590
Because they're terminally obsessed with photorealism as a metric for "progress" in gaming. Never mind if the gameplay is boring, the story is trash, or it plays like a tech demo-if you can count the pores on some NPC's nose in 4K, then it's GOTY material for them. Meanwhile I'm over here playing stylized games from 10+ years ago that actually have soul.

>>714160245
>the opinion is based on the extreme activism of late years - one that is often discussed openly by the developers - like Neil Druckman.
I'm pretty sure the thing that Druckman said that got /v/ incensed was "we don't use fun" - not "there can't be beautiful women" or anything of the sort.
And I guess add The Last of Us to the list: /v/ will post Abby but not Ellie, when complaining about how beauty is not allowed. And then turn around and post another Ellie coomer thread.
>Because we view this as a trend.
Okay? They see chuds demanding bikini models to the exclusion of everything else as a trend. Somehow your outrage is always justified and you are just responding, but you think they don't see you there and that they're not responding to you? You don't think the lack of bikini models might also be, in part, be there just to avoid giving the impression of embarrassingly pandering to the most entitled, demanding, sexist, loud minority in gaming?
>You also have take into account that there is always a minority on all sides that will complain about absolutelly everything
And so do you.

>>714160517
Yeah, pretty much. I remember people going apeshit crazy about muh realism in the 2000s too, but I never understood the appeal. I like pixel art games the most.
We can do very realistic graphics now, but it doesn't improve basically anything, as far as I'm concerned. Being impressed because something is technologically challenging is missing the point.

>>714160245
>>714160587
>And then turn around and post another Ellie coomer thread.
The point here is not to say "/v/ is one person and therefore a hypocrite" btw, the point is that these complaints necessarily exist within their own bubble, a self-reinforcing bubble that perpetually hammers the same few examples over and over again, repeating the same talking points, and ignoring anything that contradicts it. It's easy to "see a pattern" when you are cherry-picking only those things that fit the pattern you want to see.

>>714160316
They're all the same. Also, this is not in any way worse quality than the first one despite what anyone says, in fact MJ was a manipulative pile of shit whipping Peter in it too.

Legally distinct Ellen Page is an ogre and these threads are posted by TLOUfags alone.

>>714150884
Holy fuck what a cuck

>>714160316
>Jesus Christ how long are you supposed to mash X for? Oh, oh wait oh no
Didn't another game do this recently? I saw a webm of "quick, throw it to me!!!" and then you have unlimited time to do it. Was that GoW?

>>714160587
>Okay? They see chuds demanding bikini models to the exclusion of everything else as a trend. Somehow your outrage is always justified and you are just responding, but you think they don't see you there and that they're not responding to you? You don't think the lack of bikini models might also be, in part, be there just to avoid giving the impression of embarrassingly pandering to the most entitled, demanding, sexist, loud minority in gaming?

Yes, my outrage is justified - as is theirs. That´s how opinions works. I don´t like the trend of making the characters less appealing, they don´t like men enjoying conventionally attractive characters (or whatever other reasons they have).

Chuds demanding bikiny models? People are calling for attractive characters, not bikiny models, unless it is a game about bikiny models, or a game like Stellar Blade - one that is not serious in its tone

> And so do you.

I take it into account, but the minority got grip over the development

>>714160951
yeah that was GoW:Ragnarok

>>714161064
>People are calling for attractive characters, not bikiny models, unless it is a game about bikiny models, or a game like Stellar Blade - one that is not serious in its tone
All right, so not every game has to be Stellar Blade? And we've also established that there is no shortage of attractive female characters even in the games /v/ likes to complain about? So then, if you're not part of an extremist minority, where is the problem, actually?

>>714156195
none of this matters, just remember.

we'll fucking kill you.

and you know why.

>>714141145 (OP)

JTsmash has a YouTube video where a female game developer showed that the current Unreal engines have the default female faces with squarer, wider and harsher man-jaws instead of the narrow, tapering thin and softer jaws of most actual women.

https://youtu.be/o4IoHUk1W0k

I think this is the video.

>>714141384
lol

>>714161487
Yes, quite right, none of this actually matters to you, you're just itching to kill people who disagree with you, aren't you? And I do know exactly why: it's because you're profoundly mentally ill.

can't have this in a child's video game

>>714141706
This is not true.

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes.

>>714154552
both are empowering

>>714161670
yes, we are, that's human nature, we abhor people who ideologically oppose us and won't concede, the natural, right response, is to simply kill the other "tribe", politically, socially, whatever.

once differences can't be mended, when there's no reason to "talk" violence is the answer, your side already screams it at the top of their lungs, they support ANY violent unrest that could be flavored in their teams colors, even shit in fucking Israel that could be sniffed as lefty, the Hamas shit, gets full throated support, so too is any violence done in the name of leftism, or even could be construed as leftist.

why "deny" the obvious? violent conflict is coming, and we will fucking kill YOU and people who think like you, to the last, because our side are better killers, simple as that.

>>714154552
Jews control music
WASPs control videogames

>>714161885
You know what, on this I totally agree with you. I only wish the limp liberal "left" realised it too. There is no debate to be had with you. You've already declared your intent to kill everyone who opposes you. You openly declare your inhumanity.For the sake of humanity, we must eliminate you and your diseased ideology without prejudice.

>>714154960
No I wouldn't and I literally do have women like this chatting me up. I'm not interested because I don't find them attractive. I've had a couple of girlfriends so it's not like I'm going to die a virgin. I'll admit I am quite lonely for female attention these days but I can't change who I am and am not attracted to.

>>714162130
>I can't change who I am and am not attracted to.
You probably can. And spending less time on /v/ would be a good first step.

>>714162046
On this you misunderstand, "My" Side will kill you because we have to.

"My" side are the sleeping beast, that just wants to dream of lives of Nuclear families and working for them and then slowly dying of old age with the Wife and grandkids, in history, the "rightist" Side is provoked into violence, WW2 is a great example, people have buried the cause and effect, but it was absolutely the rise of Blackshirt violence (Commies) that got the average people's panties in a twist, so they turned to their own side's violent ones, the Brownshirts, and gave them full power to deal with it.

that is what will happen again, Lefties will ever increasingly cause violent events, in the next 10 to 15 years, and eventually the people will have had enough, and come to the Brownshirts once again, and then you and your kind will be killed.

its REALLY that simple, because its "happened" dozens of times in history, your ilk always rouses the dragon, because you think you can finally slay him, but you only "think" you can because of ideology and other learned knowledge, when its time for violence, you are untrained, always.

>>714161597
I cannot believe that this is one of the last lines in the game. Did people think COVID would last forever?

>>714162383
Yawn, I'm sorry, my eyes glanced off of this when I realised you were launching into a self-justifying mythologising diatribe. You're plain evil genocidal bastards that even a Captain Planet villain would consider too on the nose, and you don't even have the spine to at least stand for it.

>>714161346

> And we've also established that there is no shortage of attractive female characters even in the games /v/ likes to complain about?

we haven t established this.

The problem is, as I said, ideologically motivated "debeautification" of women (probably better term than uglification) - that goes well beyond desexualization of women (I don´t mean making them asexual here)

Of course - this is my opinion (you call it conspiration theory) - that´s what we´ve established

>>714154552
Feminists don't control the music industry and thsoe that do are focused on profit. The "Dev teams" behind a musical project are quite small, so they can quality control the people to make sure they're profit orientated.

Video games are mega-projects, that have diversity mandates and feminists hijacked companies. Despite having far left, anti-capitalist, origins, social justice theories need giant beurocracies to function and be implimented. Once groups are too small you can call out how retarded their ideas are.

btw, this shit goes back to Foucault.

>>714162472
Evil or Good are decided by the victors.

>>714162608
>we haven t established this.
No, true, you seemed awfully quiet about the list of examples I gave. It's far from complete, either. So I guess this touches on the other thing I said: this complaint of yours necessarily exists within a self-perpetuating bubble.

>>714162705
And you claim to hate post-modernism

>>714141706
They tone down the overt sexuality to avoid being accused of objectification and subsequently facing backlash, and/or they want to get brownie points for having characters that are more realistic or not conventionally attractive.

That's what it comes down to. I don't care if mid women exist in games personally but it sucks to see the more fun, provocative designs we used to have gradually disappear outside of gacha bullshit.

>>714141145 (OP)
I wonder why...

>>714160835
The writing was bad but not this bad. It's a really big step down.
>>714160951
I don't think there's a single qte you can fail, at least in the main story. Set pieces all solve themselves too.

>>714162721

> No, true, you seemed awfully quiet about the list of examples I gave

can you give it again, can´t find it

>>714162672
Hey, Anon, I know it might be hard to grasp if your understanding of Foucault comes from soundbites, but he's talking about the dominant capitalist ideology suppressing the calls for social justice that would disrupt it. Like, abolitionists, suffragettes, these people were literally shut up in asylums for the threat they posed to the dominant power structure. And when he mentions the justice system, that's very much about police cracking down on BLM and pro-Palestine protesters, and not the actual justice they demand but have no power to implement directly.

>>714154343
Get with the times.
Companies don't make money from clients, they get it from the FED for pushing the current agenda.
Money that workers get and then use to buy products is leftover scraps of that primary transaction.

>>714162940
how is Harry even in there? Venom's fucking forearms are as big as a man.

The west has fallen
China won

>>714162845

Was it the covid vaccine?

>>714163046
get to the part about Foucault fucking underage boys by the truckloads and getting AIDS and dying.

also being an advocate for underage kid fucking his entire life.

>>714160065
>if they cast someone whom you might not consider attractive that doesn't mean it's done to spite you.
What kind of gain do you derive from constructing strawmen and arguing with them? Is your mind that simple that you do not have a full theory of mind, so you only perceive others and their stances as caricatures?

>>714147630
It's a shame to see how far Mindy Kaling has fallen tbqh

>>714162983
Here: >>714159915
And then I also added The Last of Us.
It's hard to square the idea that Neil Druckmann is an SJW weenie who hates male sexuality and feminine beauty with all the coomer threads devoted to Ellie's feet. Yet that doesn't stop /v/ from posting Abby as an example of "Western game design gone mad". That is deliberately ignoring half the picture, and not compatible with saying you don't actually want every woman to look conventionally beautiful.
And then we've also got the likes of Baldur's Gate 3 which seems to go entirely ignored in these discussions because it's frankly full of hotties whom you can strip at your leisure and overall too horny for its own good.

>>714163309
Again, I can only comment that your post is very ironic.

>>714163376
I mean Neil is a card carrying Leftist, and he's proud of it.

all of his talks post TLoU1 are him going into vast detail on this.

>>714161750
I don't get it.
It would get me really tired afterwards. Not give me more energy for work.

>>714141145 (OP)
Yes. Read Harrison Bergeron.

>>714163474
>I mean Neil is a card carrying Leftist, and he's proud of it.
Yes, and that's the real problem, isn't it? It's not about whether he actually did or didn't include beautiful women in his game. When it comes to cooming, /v/ agrees that he did, and yet when it comes to complaining about how Western games never have any beautiful women in them, people will point to Druckmann's expressed views, and tie all sorts of conclusions to them. It's like each of these threads exists within its own separate reality. One is based on what's actually in the game. The other is based on stereotypes about the developer's views. You think you know what Neil would do, and that somehow supersedes what he actually did.

>>714163046
>triggered leftsits

Your ideas aren't as complicated as they sound, they're spun out of disenfranchised Marxists embracing continental philosophy and culture to continue "the revolution", without questioning why their revolution was such a huge failure the first time around.

He was a huge influence on feminists and other "social justice" activists, and infected them with ever worse schizophrenia. Queer theory and Fat studies are almost 1:1 copies of his ideas. Ironically, they dropped his anti-psychiatry stance and fully embrace psychiatry, but use his framework to attack things they don't like such as beauty standards, or gender norms. Butler and Sedgwick built queer theory mostly on his writings.

>>714163762
>Read this satirical novel by an inveterate lefty
No wonder "media literacy" became a dirty word to you people

>>714163376
> t's hard to square the idea that Neil Druckmann is an SJW weenie who hates male sexuality and feminine beauty with all the coomer threads devoted to Ellie's feet. Yet that doesn't stop /v/ from posting Abby as an example of "Western game design gone mad". That is deliberately ignoring half the picture, and not compatible with saying you don't actually want every woman to look conventionally beautiful.
And then we've also got the likes of Baldur's Gate 3 which seems to go entirely ignored in these discussions because it's frankly full of hotties whom you can strip at your leisure and overall too horny for its own good.

There is still a trend, politically motivated - and this trend face backlash from gamers - and its basically top down trend.

Few of the games where convetionally beautiful characters are allowed are made outside of big companies - both BG3 and Clair Obscure are more or less indie, and most of these companies are in Europe, where the woke movent is less dominant - although this might change

>>714163872
lol if you think every single Marxist isn't singularly preoccupied with understanding the causes of the failure of the socialist project. Your entire understanding of leftism relies on shallow soundbites and stereotypes.

>>714163974
Ah, so, BG3 and Clair Obscure were reviled by the American gaming press?

>>714163849
I don't care about pretty women like some of the posters here, I care about the intent to remove them.

I don't "want" or "desire" them, I care about the people who want to remove them, their motives, their ideals, and what they are trying to push by doing so.

among other things, in gaming, and society.

you want it to be about that because you can then wave away what I'm talking about as "you just want big tiddies you horny incel", when I could care less.

Neil is trying to move things to a post-modern progressive worldview, him and everyone like him are doing their part, and they are my enemy, simple as that.

714163474
>He's a card-carrying leftist
Wonder how he's feeling these days with the whole leftists crying for the death of Israel thing

>>714164117
>I don't care about pretty women like some of the posters here, I care about the intent to remove them.
Right, and as I said, that is a complete misconception that is demonstrably false when even the games that are supposedly evidence of this actually contain entirely ignored counterexamples.

So either you desperately want it to be about this when it isn't, or you're just not being honest about your motivations.

>Neil is trying to move things to a post-modern progressive worldview, him and everyone like him are doing their part, and they are my enemy,
But, again, he literally gave you Ellie.

>>714163119
That was a problem in the comics too. Venom started as a jacked guy with a big spooky mouth, then as time went on he got bigger and his mouth got spookier until there's no way anyone could be wearing it unless they're doing some Attack on Titan neck piloting.

>>714163872
>call it "continental philosophy"
>it grows thicker roots in the UK and USA

>>714163996
>lol if you think every single Marxist isn't singularly preoccupied with understanding the causes of the failure of the socialist project. Your entire understanding of leftism relies on shallow soundbites and stereotypes.

No, my critique is that they don't challenge their real underlying worldview, just apply it to other issues. They failed so hard, they just moved onto continental philosophy and cultural issues, which conveniently made their theories abstract and unfalsifiable.

It doesn't matter how many times the far left reformats their ideas, as long as they're needlessly paranoid, operate on a binary oppressor vs. oppressed, cynicism, conspiratorial worldview, radical skepticism, not willing to open up and accept criticism, dogmatism, and ignoring literally every expert in the world over their own schizo texts, it's doomed to failure. It doesn't matter if it's Queer theory, Marxism, Critical Race Theory, etc. The specifics don't matter, as long as the framework is flawed, it will produce flawed results.

Oh and literally no research or hypothesis testing, or hell even statistical analysis. It's all just essays all the way down.

You really hate the idea that i have a good grasp on marxist and post-structuralist ideas, because despite all the words they're not complicated.

>>714163920
You read it because when a leftist is trying to be satirical he tips his hand to what he actually thinks.

>>714163421
How is it ironic? Unlike you, I have not referenced some nebulous hypothetical commentator. I have literally replied, twice, to your individual comments, like sentences. Meanwhile, you talk about how "gamers" see conspiracies/attacks against themselves.
Again, explain to me, logically. Or don't. This was my last reply.

>>714164198
I think you're both aware of Neil's motivations for making TLoU2 and entirely misconstruing them.

>>714164198
he's fine with it, you have to understand, the Leftist, is loyal to Leftism first and foremost.

he's very pro Israel, but if it came to Israel, or the Leftist revolution, he'd burn Israel himself.

sure he'll decry Hamas online, but he isn't going to break from Leftism, its his religion.

>>714162445
>he thinks it was about covid

>>714164314
>It doesn't matter how many times the far left reformats their ideas, as long as they're needlessly paranoid, operate on a binary oppressor vs. oppressed, cynicism, conspiratorial worldview, radical skepticism, not willing to open up and accept criticism, dogmatism, and ignoring literally every expert in the world over their own schizo texts, it's doomed to failure.
Damn, and this in a thread full of people going "feminists are my Enemy because they hate men and are working together to eliminate male sexuality", no self-awareness whatsoever.

>>714164251
he did not, he didn't have the power he did in the company when the first game was made.

not to mention, "gave me Ellie", what the fuck does this mean? she's just some fucking 14 year old girl, she isn't hot or attractive in any conventional sense.

what EXACTLY are you trying to say here?

>>714164373
>Or don't. This was my last reply.
Okay.

>>714164528
Anon, we are talking about the second game, you know, the one that contains Abby, and in which Ellie is the main character and also in her 20s? And, to /v/'s credit, the version of the character they *mostly* wank to?

>>714164505
more Pilpul bullshit.

>>714164198
>the whole leftists crying for the death of Israel thing
jews realized that everyone hates leftists now so they put a good message in their mouth so everyone would think it's a bad message
>you hate israel, well you must be one of those annoying leftists!
just your typical jewish tricks

>>714164573
It was in the sense that it was my last real answer. It seems you no longer feel like discussing, but you are so childish that you still needed to have the last word.

>>714164676
No, Anon, this entire thread is operating on an idiosyncratic fringe worldview in which straight white men are the victims of some giant feminist conspiracy, and anyone who shows even the slightest amount of scepticism of this claim is decried as One Of Them. And you having it pointed out to you and just replying "pilpul" is a prime example of that.

>>714164661
Ellie did not grow up hot either, so that's moot, she's flat as a board, no ass, and is normal Lesbian, not the "hot porn" kind.

both games are basically free from any titiliation, the sex depicted in the 2nd game (and you can tell Neil is more in control over the 2nd game because of the addition of gross sex) is ugly and offputting, purposefully NOT titaliating in any way.

No u is the apex of lefty argumentative skills, lmao.

>>714154343
yes, fanatics don't care about money, only beliefs, and their narcissist cult leaders only care about ego

>>714164251
> Right, and as I said, that is a complete misconception that is demonstrably false when even the games that are supposedly evidence of this actually contain entirely ignored counterexamples.

Just because there remind some jews in Germany by the end of the WW2. doesn´t mean nazi didn´t want to get rid of them.

Games are not also made by some central entity. The ideological capture of game is bad - and just because it didn´t spread to all companies, doesn´t mean there is no such capture

>>714164792
Feminists/Post-Modernists are very open that they are trying to take down the White-Western world order and do so with glee.

so I dunno what your saying here, its real fucking greasy shit, the people "doing" it are proud of it, and you endorse them, but then out of your other mouth, you try and tell me "it" isn't happening.

>>714164763
>It seems you no longer feel like discussing
No, it's just that you indicated that you no longer felt like discussing, so what's the point in typing out a rebuttal then? I just thought it was funny that you invite me to waste my time writing a response that you've already told me you'll ignore and now get indignant when I took you up on your offer to alternatively just not do that.

>>714164846
fuck, I mean remained, not remind

it's TROONS
read the small print
>But in throwing a wrench into their assumed outcomes, the team also discovered that, when given the choice, it was actually female players who more often preferred characters with “high femininity traits (typically associated with higher sexualization cues)”, while men more often picked “characters that were strong yet less sexualized."

>>714164426
yes, we're aware of his motivations, sadly

>>714164792
>straight white men are the victims of some giant feminist conspiracy
they are
but they are not the only victims, everyone is a victim
women are much less happy today than they were 70 years ago
they were fed this idea that doing housework for a man makes them a slave
now they have jobs working for mr goldberg and have to do the housework anyway since they live alone

>>714164806
>Ellie did not grow up hot either, so that's moot, she's flat as a board, no ass, and is normal Lesbian, not the "hot porn" kind.
And yet... the coomer threads...
So what's it really about? First it's "no attractive characters allowed" and now it's that they're not attractive *enough* and also not enough T&A or gratuitous sex scenes? We've already moved on from the claim that Western games don't allow beautiful women.

TLOUniggers. It's about TLOUniggers, who are extremely gay (ie you). Legally distinct Ellen Page looks like a man, far more than the real thing.

>>714164846
>The ideological capture of game is bad
And yet when attempting to show just how bad it is, it seems you exaggerate and misrepresent the facts all the time, if not outright making shit up.

>>714164792

> No, Anon, this entire thread is operating on an idiosyncratic fringe worldview in which straight white men are the victims of some giant feminist conspiracy, and anyone who shows even the slightest amount of scepticism of this claim is decried as One Of Them. And you having it pointed out to you and just replying "pilpul" is a prime example of that.

This is no conspiracy. The woke is completelly transparent about their hate towards white hetero men, as they are on the top of the oppressor leader.

They are all open about what is happening and what their intentions are, including being open about represantion of characters who are not conventionally pretty

>>714164905
Why are you like this? Why are you such a disagreeable person? Like, I was interested in a discussion, in your opinion. Why does me announcing that it was my last point remove your incentive to still give me an answer? Do you always act according to such an egoistic lens? Obviously, still replying with a full written out response is a "favor" to the other party in some sense. But that is how grown-ups engage in conversation.

It's like I am explaining how humans work to an alien.

>>714164879
Someone in this thread was very open about intending to kill me and anyone like me, at the same time people adamantly insist to me that those people don't exist and I'm paranoid.
I, on the other hand, will simply tell you that you have an overly simplistic view of what your opponents believe because you let shitposts do your thinking for you. Wanting to dismantle white supremacy does not entail white genocide or whatever you think it is.

>>714165158

> And yet when attempting to show just how bad it is, it seems you exaggerate and misrepresent the facts all the time, if not outright making shit up.

Maybe in our head. You are always talking like the activists are not loud and explicit about what they are doing and what´s their intetion with the industry (look Sweet Baby videos). The difference is only in the intesity of their ideas - the pinnacle of it is Dustborn

>>714142850
Sarah isn't ugly, but Andreja is prettier

>>714165319
You're not as smart as you think you are.
Everyone sees through your bullshit.

>>714165194
>They are all open about what is happening and what their intentions are
Indeed, and noticeably it is not naked hate towards white hetero men. If you want to make that case then instead you have to say that they are being sneaky about their true motives.

>>714165194
they even brag about it whenever they're among their fellow liberals

>>714150040
I play video games to do white genocide and murder men. Seeing you miserable in real life makes me happier than anything else.

>>714165214
>Like, I was interested in a discussion, in your opinion.
Seemed like you weren't.
>Why does me announcing that it was my last point remove your incentive to still give me an answer?
If you say "explain this to me, or don't, because this is my last reply" I'm going to construe that as "do whatever because I don't care and I'm fucking off".

>>714163872
>without questioning why their revolution was such a huge failure the first time around.
They failed because they didn't start murdering people. The USSR did and that is why they lasted. The results speak for themselves, the destruction of Nazi Germany alone is one of the single greatest acts of human benevolence.

>>714165357
Rachel Weisz?

>>714165526
>Goal is to burn the video game industry to the ground.
Wow, sounds like your average /v/ user. But she's actually doing it.

>>714165348
>You are always talking like the activists are not loud and explicit about what they are doing and what´s their intetion with the industry
Well, there's the thing, isn't it? That conflation is one of the pillars that these threads rely on. What they are actually talking about, what their actual stated intentions are, are nowhere near as extreme as these threads tend to posit. But whenever someone questions the very extreme version put forth here it's always "but this is out in the open, they admit it!"

>>714165529
if you did play video games then Concord would have been a best seller
but you don't, so it didn't

>>714165408
I'm smarter than you think I am.

>>714165756
>What they are actually talking about, what their actual stated intentions are, are nowhere near as extreme as these threads tend to posit.
but the results actually are that extreme
the purpose of a system is its results, not its intentions

>>714166035
>but the results actually are that extreme
Also no, as I've repeatedly shown now.
>the purpose of a system is its results, not its intentions
So which is it? They are open about their intentions? Or they aren't?
Well, either way you're misrepresenting them.

>>714166035
>>714166118
>the purpose of a system is its results, not its intentions
Also I know you're borrowing this phrase from social justice but you'd never honestly apply it to the justice system or capitalist labour relations

>>714165824
That's a very low bar to clear.
At this point I'm convinced you can't live on your own.

>>714166118
>I've repeatedly said "no u" and that proves me right
and yet you're still here bitching about chuddha as if you lost your job or something

>>714166343
Yes, not the first time ITT there is a massive gap between your stated beliefs and reality

>>714166449
I'm not the anon that was humoring your psychosis.

>>714166402
I didn't just say it. I pointed out, repeatedly, that these threads subsist on cherry-picked examples and bad faith interpretations of (also cherry-picked) quotes, with relevant counterexamples. All you are showing is your irrational commitment to your existing biases and unwillingness to consider the evidence.

And my "bitching" will always pale in comparison to the sheer volume of bitching produced on your side by these threads.

>>714166545
>humoring your psychosis.
Oh, remind me what Foucault said about psychiatry being an expression of power wielded against certain social groups?

>>714166630
You're seething, go chill out somewhere lmao

>>714166708
His words were "you will never be a woman".

>>714166780
Anon, this whole board is nothing but seething at women, blacks, and trannies, do you honestly think this tactic will evoke anything but pity in me?

>>714166792
Who told you I was supposed to be a woman? Or are you imagining things again? Which one of us was supposed to be psychotic, again?

>>714166867
>>714166949
You're nothing but a joke. Dance monkey.

>>714166256
>Also I know you're borrowing this phrase from social justice but you'd never honestly apply it to the justice system or capitalist labour relations
this just proves how delusionally closed-minded you are
your "enemies" will quote and even agree with u/AbolishWork when he says 2 + 2 = 4, while still mocking him for saying 2 × 5 = 25

>>714167235
>Mocking people for being closed-minded at the same time as admitting to selectively pilfering only those phrases that already agree with your worldview

>>714141145 (OP)
yes

>>714164792
You don't have to think it's a bad thing, or that it's some industry-wide mandate, or that describing it as "making women uglier" or motivated by spite is accurate.

But do you honestly not think contemporary female character design has changed due to the proliferation of feminist ideals throughout the industry?

>>714167939
Another motte and bailey. Yes, I will admit to this severely weakened version of the claim that this thread is actually about, and nothing more.

>>714167587
the conservative "worldview" is objective reality, and by definition it's the set of all things that don't stop existing even when everyone ignores them, denies them, or isn't even aware of them
that's how people like you always wreck yourselves in the end thinking reality won't hurt you if you ignore it

>>714156840
>YOU DO THAT TOO
No? I'm normal, stop projecting

>>714168201
>the conservative "worldview" is objective reality
lol
lmao

>>714167467
Why the fuck are parents letting media or these axewounds and their supporters personally endanger and indoctrinate their kids?

>>714156791
I'm that anon.
I'm more inclined to think that those are performative mongoloid more interested in showing off than in being le nazi, just like pride-tards.
Nazi as a movent doesn't exist and hasn't existed sing WW2 ended. Nobody legitimize them. And if there is some schizo around who actually believe in that shit, it's the equivalent of... dunno... well whatever it is it's criminal.
That being said, leftard use nazi (and any other ist-phobe buzzword) just to indicate "normal people who reject their far left religion", and that's why they are morons and are losing almost everywhere

>>714168274
Anon, I was describing the behaviour of people ITT and then someone else brought up "woke" to go YOU DO THAT TOO

>>714151953
ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER

>>714168686
>I'm more inclined to think that those are performative mongoloid more interested in showing off than in being le nazi
If they take the performance as far as marching in the street, letting it influence their vote, and killing people, it doesn't really matter, does it?
>Nazi as a movent doesn't exist
Yes, it does.
>And if there is some schizo around who actually believe in that shit, it's the equivalent of... dunno... well whatever it is it's criminal.
Yes, but unfortunately they are actually extremely legitimised by America'scurrent administration.

>>714159307
>ith more serious take on Lara - she was desexualize
that's a piece of shit and not Lara

>>714158504
You don't get to compalin for alternative until normality gets back to being bikini babes with big tits, invader.
You fetishism for lesser looking inbred doesn't exist on the same plane where straight people who like beauty (99% always and forever) are

>>714141706
>I think they do it to broaden their demographics. they already have the straight guy demographic on lockdown so they want to get the other half of the population into
Has this ever worked

>>714141384
Yeah

>>714151618
Honestly I'd fuck the shit out of that dev and get her pregnant roughly, freak bitch is probably into that.

>>714168686
and yet who tries to blackmail businesses into hiring the feminists who demand self-insertion as the love intrest/female protagonist?

>>714160316
someone jacked off to this

>>714141894
Capcom made Shantae

>>714159307
You are already falling for sesexualization scam.
A desexualized character is a neutered character.
Sexualization is good, always been good, always will be.
Being a sex symbol always was the crown jewel of every single public personality and reason of envy for those who fell short.

You litrally cannot provide a good reason for designing anything that isn't beautiful and sexy, except comedic purpose

>>714141145 (OP)
Karens get upset at the sight of beautiful women
And the men in those studios are too afraid to push back

>>714145501
lol

>>714165682
>she

>>714159678
>PORN
kys

>>714141826
The machine just seems to be bad at scanning any woman above a 6. Has no trouble scanning men though.

>>714154680
Damn I'd never be hard enough to even think about cumming in this bitch, let her eggs be dryer than the Sahara desert

>>714160818
>t's easy to "see a pattern" when you are cherry-picking only those things that fit the pattern you want to see.
All modern western character are ugly.
The last attractive one was Lara Croft in LAU trilogy

>>714158920
I'd let her have my white baby.

>>714169345
Andromeda was definitely when I first noticed it. EA female employees were probably seething so hard that gamers were jacking off to Miranda in ME2

>>714141145 (OP)
I like the fact I have a hotter girlfriend than Spiderman according to this game, wtf lol

>>714169419
>All modern western character are ugly.
You are either delusional or lying. And those are the only possible reasons we keep having these threads.

>>714161346
Not everyone as SB, the other half should be like Classic Lara Croft, Bloddrayne, Cate Archer or Ruby Malone

>>714169227
>You litrally cannot provide a good reason for designing anything that isn't beautiful and sexy, except comedic purpose
the real reason is "DEATH TO ALL NERDS!"
always has been, always will be

>>714169345
It looks like they're putting on ugly hairstyles for most of them, and just not applying any makeup.

>>714169626
Hasn't always been but you keep this up and it will be

>>714161750
God she was so sexy, Peter must be gay, since she's not pregnant in every single comic.

>>714162705
And you never won anything. You either crumble under your own weight or get killed by systems that work

>>714141706
this is making a seriously false assumption that anyone working at major corporations gives a shit about the success of their products. Especially in videogames where it's completely normal to fire 90% of the staff like they were freelancers after any AAA production. The difference is that back in the day a management level guy would walk around to the office telling them to make the models sexier with bigger tits and now he's afraid to with a half woman workforce with a scattering of attack dog trannies.

>>714154343
Redditors will buy anything, and investor money makes up for any lack of sales

>>714165065
>And yet... the coomer threads...
Are all about underage ellie and you know that you retard. Because /v/ is unironically filled with "ephebos" as they like to call themselves.
no one posts older ellie from 2.
>Western games don't allow beautiful women.
They don't. You're taking normal at best and trying to claim they're beautiful, or trying to post examples from games that are over 12 years old.

>>714163523
Tired but motivated.

>>714163376
>Baldur's Gate 3 which seems to go entirely ignored in these discussions because it's frankly full of hotties
Lmao they are all ugly and gross with shit bodies, stuck in a game that made ugly and gross ists mantra

>>714169679
/v/ also loves to cherry-pick the angles

>>714141145 (OP)
>The New Normal
They really want people to memoryhole the 2020s, huh.

Devs should make what they want to make. But i wish they would stop complaining about games not selling or not being as successful as they thought they would be. If you're not making anything cool and sexy then you shouldn't expect to get money. It's such a retarded mindset to have, making things people don't want and expecting praise for it. It's also fucking weird.

>>714169679
ah, here we go, the meme that all women are ugly if they don't have makeup on.
No, anon, that is a meme only perpetuated by ugly women trying to make themselves feel better despite them putting even more makeup.

>>714149503
Insecure women hold an inordinate amount of power in the modern world
80% of modern academia is adult daycare for them whining and coping about biological differences

Why do they lie? When they're alone amonst their peers they brag about what they're doing. Any other time they lie lie lie lie lie that nothing is happening and you're a schizo for noticing things. I guess it's because they can't win an open discussion.

I can't imaging having to just lie constantly on social media and in public endessly. Don't they have any respect for the strength of their own dieas and themselves? Don't they think these are the superior ideas? reading between the lines they reek of insecurity, and wanting to dominate everything because they feel inferior.

>>714162845
That "dev" looks like she'd be fun in bed

>>714169521
they are

>>714169768
>Are all about underage ellie and you know that you retard.
Not the threads I've seen, but you do you.
>You're taking normal at best and trying to claim they're beautiful
You are moving the goalposts. It's clearly good enough - but not for you, no, this doesn't meet YOUR subjective standard of "beautiful" that you can just always put just out of reach in order to keep complaining.
>or trying to post examples from games that are over 12 years old.
As if these threads don't keep reposting the same handful of examples from over the course of a decade? I've already mentioned BG3 and Clair Obscur as examples.

>>714169345
we don't have the technology to properly capture the beauty of a woman. We can only make feminine men...

>>714169508
No, you are jsut ideologically motivate to gaslight.
Kys and fuck off from our industry and hobby

>>714169925
It's perpetuated by you, calling women ugly when they don't have makeup on

>>714169854
Hmm who was president when this was happening?

>>714142689
But that's exactly what Debra Wilson looks like.
They didn't make her uglier.
I have no problem with some girls in a game not being attractive, but I do have an issue when a character is supposed to be attractive and they make her uglier on purpose.

>>714141145 (OP)
yes
but in their eyes theyre not ugly

>>714170048
It was my hobby first, I'll not relinquish it to some emotionally stunted zoomers with a troglodyte mindset

>>714169838

>>714169925
So are you implying that those models didn't have makeup on? They look like photo shoots with ideal angles and professional photographers. And again, I don't dispute that trannies made them ugly on purpose since they did alter the hairstyles and made them look shitty

>>714141384
are you blind?

>>714169938
because their entire worldview is an extremely fragile stack of lies that can completely collapse if anyone dares tell a joke, let alone notices the lies

Porn has actually and seriously damaged a lot of men's views of women and more importantly their own self worth

>>714141384
She looks like Jay Leno in drag

>>714169951
I ocunt 4 characters, only one being western, the same one who woketards massacrated for 12 years). I'm waiting for all the other 99,9999% of character to be corrected
God I miss normality and my hobby not being gentrified

>>714170071
game character don't have makep and don't wear sportsbra, they are either designed ugly and with small boobs, or are not

>>714170148
Anon, this is very obviously not the model for the character, it's a random instagram model used as a counterpoint. It not only doesn't illustrate your point, but couldn't, and that you're using this as evidence undermines your whole position.

>>714169854
Feels good I didn't took the vaxx, and don't live in a shithole country so I didn't get fired.

>>714170148
but then they got him

>>714170201
Sounds like a female opinion. Porn has only strengthened me and benefitted my life. Redditors wouldn't get it.

>>714169938
Their stupid ideology would crumble unted the simple scrutiny, like having an honest basic debate
They CAN'T be sincere for the same reason they cannot create

>>714170403
>JATO-mounted goalposts, awaaaaaay!

>>714170403
Dilate you illiterate disingenuous mutt

Damn you think these bitches could make their self insert, "Me but hotter".

>>714170003
>meet YOUR subjective standard of "beautiful" that yo
Int's not mine and it's not subjective
>e already mentioned BG3 and Clair Obscur as examples.
Balding Gay is disgusting gay porn feat ugly gross people. Claire obscure is bare minimum, it's normal

>>714170629
Tell me what you think the goalposts are. What are you trying to prove?
>>714170647
You're the illiterate one, was precisely my point. But you misread that too.

>>714170721
Ok bruv, I'm not going to debate beauty standards with autists who don't understand the difference between fact and opinion. You will be eternally mad like this.

>>714170141
No it wasn't, invader
You aren't old and you were never welcome either way. The gate is built for people who don't want the hobby as it was

>>714170317
sorry, decline is a choice western devs made
you can at least tell when a new sexy character shows up because social media instantly bursts into flames even faster than if you mention Donald Trump

>>714170886
As if you had any right or claim to set up a gate in the first place?
This is my hobby and I'll do what I want with it. If you don't like it, you can just stop pretending to care.

>>714170849
>between fact and opinion.
That's you.
Facts are facts, and opinion that adhere to facts are facts too.
You are wrong, the villain, the invader, the fad, and in time you will be purged because normality always wins in the end

>>714170918
I had my suspicions for a long time that they were making women ugly on purpose. But the Stellar Blade fiasco really did expose a lot of them for what they really think.

>>714170990
Christ, the decline of Western civilisation really began when we had to pretend that unhinged delusional idiots like you have to be debated rather than locked up for the sanity of society.

>>714170987
The gate eixst naturally
someone create something ---> you are aligned, you are welcome /you are not aligned/move on to someone other place
it's not your hobby, because it's not made for you
proof is that yo uare here demanding to be teken into account whil trying to enfore things that actual hobbists rejects

>>714171074
Nobody likes mutts, not even mutts. And the people these are made to appeal to don't play games.

>>714171173
We are the western civilization that is forced to debate you retars because you are backed by well financed activism, invader
you are the problem

>>714170403
Straight up why do you lie? This approach is extremely disingenuous, and people don't like liars. People value people who are truthful.

In this example, he's giving an example of a design that he's going for, then saying that they uglify it later on. It's completely undeniable.

THINK

Do you think a left wing movement that has to lie about its motives and goals has a chance of success? Mass movements need the consent of the people to last otherwise they're gonna create a huge backlash that burns everything down.

>>714171241
Actually I do believe this entire thread is you people complaining that not every video game is made specifically for you and me pointing out that you are exaggerating even that pathetic complaint in order to justify chucking a tanty.
Seems like the person not aligned with video games... is you...

>>714171346
Please, no one could ever accuse you of any kind of civilisation.

>>714150884
>Look up this guy's twitter
>It's gone
>Look him up on bsky
>He has a small account where he posts with absolutely no engagement

>>714141145 (OP)
What is up the west's obsession with masculine jawlines on women? Is it some kind of op?

>>714145501
That's Aunt May

>>714171380
>Straight up why do you lie?
Anon, you lie. I don't know if it's intentional, but you are definitely disingenuous when you immediately call me a liar rather than seeing if you may have misunderstood something.
>In this example, he's giving an example of a design that he's going for, then saying that they uglify it later on.
There is no indication that he even worked on the character given as an example, nor that the instagram model on the left was intended to be the model for the character. He is talking about PITCHING a character - on a conceptual level - that looks more like the left, and, after some iteration cycles, the product shipping with a character more like the one on the right.

Now, maybe you are just too blinded by propaganda to see it, but there are a number of nuances between what he is describing, and what you are describing. If you want to talk about the issue described, fine, but if you'd rather misrepresent it to support your own flimsy claims, you are, in fact, a liar.

>>714171535
>What is up the west's obsession with masculine jawlines on women? Is it some kind of op?

Feminine youthful females are a male fantasy that doesn't exist and create unhealthy beauty standards because media is created by white heterosexual males for their own goals. Thus, media is a conspiracy of control that we, as good natured heroes saving the world, must do the opposite of.

>this is what leftists and feminists actually believe.

>>714171535
White women do in fact have jawlines like that.

>>714170201
>men's views of women
what should my views on women be, femcel?

>>714142689
>Kojima
>East

>>714171695
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

>>714171741
it's even deeper than that, which is why it's happening in everything from Olympic games to beer advertisements

>>714171741
Conflating male gaze with female looks is, ironically, a great example of male gaze in practice. The male agency in framing the subject is elided and the focus is instead placed entirely on the preferences of the presumed male audience, given that a woman is going to be framed a certain way.

>>714171916
Anon, that's not how this works. Two people can do this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
The tweet is, factually, not evidence of your claim.

>>714171943
One problem is that right wingers are mostly the ones sounding the alarm and criticizing the left, and the center + left isn't saying anything. The right mangles and simplifies things a bit, and lay too much blame on Marxism.

Frankfurt school were Marxist, and tried to save Marxism, and post-structuralists (post-modernists) were also post-marxists. So people are right for seeing a connection to Marxism, but there's more.

The Post-structuralists loved Nietzsche. No one actually reads their bullshit, but they're applying Nietzsche's views on language, history, and concepts, and expanding upon them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Truth_and_Lies_in_a_Nonmoral_Sense

>>714147630
This is the real problem. A bunch of narcissistic liberal millennials got into creative fields and started creating self-inserts in established IPs to "tell their story"

>>714172092
I'm not following. This was mostly a tactic used to criticize post-structuralist authors, which is a fancy way of saying they were full of shit. When challenged, they'd say that their arguments are small scale and reasonable, then go back to making grand proclamations only to repeat that they've been misunderstood when challenged again. It allows them to say two slightly different arguments depending if it's a sympathetic crowd or a critical crowd. It's a fancy way to say they were bullshit artists.

>>714151639
>Hotter than 99% of Mongoloid western women
the irony

>>714172614
>It allows them to say two slightly different arguments depending if it's a sympathetic crowd or a critical crowd.
Yes, Anon - which is precisely what happened here. To the sympathetic crowd:
>Woke feminists are uglifying face scans!
To the critical crowd
>Actually this black video game dev says that he has sometimes pitched black female characters that didn't make it through the production process
And when I say they're not the same I'm allegedly moving goalposts?
This is a fancy way to say you're bullshit artists.

>>714171383
You get to complain about that only once we get back at 100% characters beign made actual gamers, THEN you'll get your shitty exceptions

>Seems like the person not aligned with video games... is you...
No, I'm the overwhelming majority, invader

>>714171510
no shit

>>714173119
I'll complain however much I like. Not like being pandered to ever stopped you.

>>714170154
>>714170071
I am implying makeup isn't a magic spell that turns a 5/10 into a 10/10 model.

We have this thread every single day.

>>714173398
You explicitly say you're not implying it, and yet I cannot construe your words other than implicitly implying it

>>714173531
No, I am explicitly saying that lack of makeup isn't going to turn models into the abominations that their vidya versions look like.

All commies get the bullet.

>>714172883
>Actually this black video game dev says that he has sometimes pitched black female characters that didn't make it through the production process

That's not though? Specifically he says they get 10 interations of changes and end up looking like "grocery store aunties", and he gives an example to illustrate the point. You have to mangle what he said to make it fit what you say.

It's even more telling that he was told to keep quiet about this, and to not offer any more public views on "black representation".

This is every step of what would happen if our view of what is going on is correct. Feminist theories are popular in game dev bureaucracies since it's a lot of women. The women don't like pretty women. This isn't some mystery.

>And when I say they're not the same I'm allegedly moving goalposts?

By demanding more and more arbitrary evidence, like proving that instagram model was used as a reference. That's text book goal shifting.

>>714172275
>and the center + left isn't saying anything
>after the left spends the last 20 years gloating about it and the center keeps supporting them
one more lie isn't going to save the pile of lies that's already falling on you

Tranny and whale devs team up to make women look like ugly men to make them comparatively closer to looking like real/beautiful women

>>714173504
Yes, it's great isn't it, I can leave for months at a time and jump right in without having missed a single thing. Even all the examples are still the same.

>>714154960
The fuck? Chick in OP is a 3 anywhere except a third world country.

>>714173784
Do you think it’s bots? Or just really autistic people that never get tired of discussing the same thing over and over again?

>>714173717
I'm just saying the right doesn't sit around reading dense post-structuralist texts from the 70s, even though they're essneital to understanding post-structuralist critical theories like Queer theory. As such, they just see a superficial marxist connection and run with it, and then miss the underlying Nietzcheanism.

>>714173717
It doesn't matter, my entire purpose in this thread was to push it over the autosage limit, and thanks to you, I succeeded.
Buh-bye little bitch, and don't let the door hit you on the way out!

>>714172883
His main thing was "I pitched a conventional beautiful black woman and it comes back as an ugly aunt of that character." Not that they cut the character or changed the race, just that they uglified them. You can even see (>>714169345) when they scan the face of female characters they do so much work on them that they look bad from any angle.

>>714174023
Yeah, it's a little peak into the internal game dev world, and it's exactly what you think.

>>714173682
>You have to mangle what he said to make it fit what you say.
What I say is exactly what it says. You have to mangle it to fit what the rest of this thread is about.
>This is every step of what would happen if our view of what is going on is correct.
It literally isn't - he's talking about his original pitch not making it to the end product. Not about face scans or whatever. And it's further complicated by the fact that he is specifically talking about the representation of BLACK femininity. He's talking about racism and in fact takes deliberate steps to distance himself from your narrative.

>>714173931
>Nietzcheanism
Not him but Nietzche wasn't a moralfag. Adding ugly girls is a moral thing and fits well with marxism

>>714150884
KWAB

>>714149503
Stereotypical women giving speeches.

>>714173927
Obviously the latter. You can tell because these people vote, and the results are what you would expect from large swathes of the population spending their every waking hour in a massive echo chamber telling them to fear lefties

>>714174023
>You can even see when they scan the face of female characters they do so much work on them that they look bad from any angle.
This is precisely the claim that isn't supported at all by that tweet and precisely where you cross the line into far-fetched conspiracy theory territory.
That post you quote also deliberately cherry-picked bad angles for the female characters (juxtaposed with modelling shoots for the models) as opposed to the much fairer comparisons for the male characters. You WANT there to be a problem, so you create one.

>>714174325
Marx also wasn't a moralfag. Adding ugly girls is not actually a thing at all (in the sense that "ugly" is a specific requirement) and doesn't really fit any ideology. It's pure straw feminism.

>>714149503
I wonder if they mentioned anything about the dozens of impossibly buff shirtless men in Tekken?

>>714171983
male gaze is males having eyes nd being normal.
you don't get a more perfect natural barometer for female beauty than normal straight males
just stop yelling at clouds and getting angry at nature

>>714174023
>>714174506
Actually, it's really quite ironic that you say "any angle" because of course you deliberately chose precisely these angles that make them look at their worst. As if those models don't have bad angles in real life. Obviously they're not always going to look the way they do in carefully posed photoshoots with reams of make-up on.

>>714174325
>Not him but Nietzche wasn't a moralfag. Adding ugly girls is a moral thing and fits well with marxism

They carried on the spirit of Marxism, while jettisoning all the specific theories. Nietzsche is extremely important though, since that's where they got their cultural relativism, radical skepticism about knowledge and language, which is essential to understand their schizo theories. Foucalt is important since he's an ex-marxist but is already talking about the justice and legal systems, and sexuality, saying they're tools by the powerful to control everyone and this also continues with the education system. Video games and mass media are obviously in-line with this thinking, thus we must take over gaming to fix this.

>>714174305
Agree to disagree. Imagine if you showed this to 50 people. how many would agree with you? Normal not insane people see to come to this conclusion. >>714174023

I've re-read the tweet like 5 times to make sure I"m not misunderstanding, but he's literally saying it loud as day and it's the literal interpretation of his words.

>>714173223
Yes you will, and you will rejected for it, invader

>>714174763
>male gaze is males having eyes nd being normal.
It really isn't and it's quite funny to claim that when you posted the fucking article that contradicts you.

>>714174616
>Marx also wasn't a moralfag
He was less so than modern Marxists but only because he didn't think it was as important to focus on as communism was innevitable and just around the corner. Now morals are the only thing driving communism outside maybe China if you call China communist.
>Adding ugly girls is not actually a thing at all (in the sense that "ugly" is a specific requirement)
It is. Otherwise Japanese, Chinese and Korean games girls would look like western ones. It doesn't happen by accident

>>714174850
>Normal not insane people see to come to this conclusion.
No, because he is in fact making a leap that requires you to be fully submersed into /v/'s propaganda mill to even make sense of.
Up till that point, though, yes, even I agree with him.

>>714174385
>ation spending their every waking hour in a massive echo chamber telling them to fear lefties

>>714174924
The article is ideological leftist drivel, schizo.
Reality, nature and biology contradicts you

>>714175046
The reason for this is because literally every single thing the right accuses the left of is projection

>>714154680
>I did have a wedding-themed birthday
Man this is pathetic. I’m honestly surprised she isn’t a lesbian or something by this point. No wonder these kind of people are so fucking miserable all the time.

>>714175132
>The article is ideological leftist drivel, schizo.
Irony
The term has a specific meaning within art criticism and if you want to completely substitute it for your own idiosyncratic definition only to bitch about it you are, in fact, not quite rational or sane

>>714174765
Can you find me the angle where Aloy looks good in Horizon 2? I'll compare it to the worst angle for Johnny Silverhand and a set photo of Keanu and I'd bet it would still look better.

>>714175137
>NO U
fuck off already
Wasn't literaly everyone, your side included, voting against you a big enough wake up call?You are the villain
Go fucking aways and stop crusading against normality already

>>714141384
Her face is too big, too round.
Weird lips, bad hairstyle, creepy eyes.

A woman with this face in any Hollywood movie should considered to be comically ugly, a monster

>>714175240
>Can you find me the angle where Aloy looks good in Horizon 2?
There's no shortage of threads on /v/ devoted to exactly that.

Funny thing, I went to sleep a few hours ago, wake up and the same troon has been seething here for the last 7-8 hours. YWNBA!

>>714175208
>Is my stance is ideological, so its yours
Get a grip, sophist
My stance is observable reality, as intended by every ciliviization, every species, for all history, in all time, forever.

>>714175297
>Wasn't literaly everyone, your side included, voting against you
Bitch I am the "my side" that is against my side, the problem with the liberal establishment is precisely that they're too far right and too far from reality. I am the wake-up call.

>>714175361
And none of them has an angle that makes them above 4/10

Is it that hard to stop adding ugly girls? Why do they break down when you ask them for this?

>>714174616
>Marx also wasn't a moralfag.

Massive moralfag. Labor theory of value, key to the entire theory is a moral theory dressed up as an economic ones. Marxism is a moral theory first, then everything is about addressing said moral problem.

>Adding ugly girls is not actually a thing at all (in the sense that "ugly" is a specific requirement) and doesn't really fit any ideology. It's pure straw feminism.

We're just using the short, direct, normal terminology for this, rather than their internal schizo-babble speak. They would say that they're moving away from stereotypical depictions created by the Male Gaze. They'd never once say it's ugly, even if most normal people would call it that. Therefore, since it's not using the same feminist theory terminology, therefore it's not talking about the same thing, and it's not real.

I'm not bound by their terms, and they aren't dictators of language.

>>714142438
>This is why chuddies call it a humiliation ritual

Nobody uses "humiliation ritual", my grandmother with neurodegenerative disease.
Young people now write "Celebration Event"

>Celebration Event it doesn't serve any other purpose other than to cause distress and discomfort.

>>714175439
Your stance is pure gibberish, you have no idea what you're even disputing, let alone being able to posit an intelligible opposing stance.
But a phrase does come to mind - "ideology tends to be self-effacing"

>>714175667
>Labor theory of value, key to the entire theory is a moral theory dressed up as an economic ones.
Not at all, it's an objective analysis as to the problem of whence value originates.
>They would say that they're moving away from stereotypical depictions created by the Male Gaze.
They would not, in fact, say that. You have no idea what they would say and you don't care, yet you do think you know what to complain about. Yes, I can see you're not "bound by their terms", you're just making shit up and getting mad about it.

>>714175208
There is evidence that feminists created the term. There's no evidence it reflects anything other than their own internal ideas and opinions. A very large percentage of academic feminist thought is just glorified opinion essays, and they spend 60 years citing each other. They never do any research or test a hypothesis. Anita's Masters Thesis in Communications studies is just sitting and watching tv shows while giving her opinions on them.

A large chunk of feminist theory is thus very self-referential and going in circles. 60 years of "Therefore, therefore, therefore, therefore,", without questioning whether their starting assumptions are correct or incorrect.

Social theories relying upon science and scientific inquiry would be stronger theories, but that might mean abandoning dogma and they can't have it.

>>714175404
They have no life, and their entire exiestence is defined by forcing their fantasy world on normal people
Please understand, that's a 24/7/365/41 activity

>>714176095
Yeah "male gaze" just means the girl is hot and the cameraman didn't do an unflatering shot to "make up for it."

>>714175464
everyone to the left of mao is too far right and nazi to you schizos

>>714176095
>There is evidence that feminists created the term. There's no evidence it reflects anything other than their own internal ideas and opinions.
It's a word for an observable phenomenon. You may have a different opinion about that phenomenon - but to throw up your arms, completely refuse to ever learn what it refers to, and just assume it's all irrelevant anyway, whilst still bitching about whatever you assume it is - that is the height of intellectual incuriosity as well as incredibly hypocritical. YOUR usage of the term "male gaze" is entirely based on 60 years of reflexively dismissing feminists out of hand, and infinitely less meaningful.

>Buying games? Nobody's doing that here, they're just pinata'ing a dead horse about how everyone hates men now and how ugly games are, with cherrypicked examples.

>>714175845
>NO U
kek
cry more

>>714176347
Oh no, liberals aren't nazis, there's a difference. Not everyone I disagree with is a nazi, silly Anon! Don't say such things.

>>714175439
>Get a grip, sophist

Yeah, debating these people feels like they engage in sophistry. The wrangling over the black guy's tweet is perfect, as it's clear as day what he's saying, but they go back and parse over every word and make it say anything but he's saying.

They fail to explain literally anything, including why apparently there's so many feminist youtubers, activists, GDC presentations, essays, etc, but apparently it has no impact on anything and no one follows their advice.

Oh and i know they don't think beauty has any objecitve basis, therefore saying "feminists want to make games ugly" is meaningless to them, thus a "strawman", but if you parse through their words, they functionally want to make characters ugly, and just say it with more words. They also say that video games don't make people sexist, but they repeat gendered stereotypes that can lead to oppression of women (ie sexist).

>>714176407
>observable phenomenon
no it's not, and here crumbles your nonsense.
All you can observe is that straight people are straigt and that males like females
Basically you are yelling at clouds

>>714176042
>Not at all, it's an objective analysis as to the problem of whence value originates.

I fucking spit out my drink. No, it's a "moral" theory". To say there's a "problem" implies something is "Bad" which is just another way of saying morals. You let it slip it's a moral theory masquarading as an economic one.

It holds that all value that is taken by middle-management and owners is stolen. Marxism is thus about fixing that. It's moral hogwash, and typical of leftist thought: find the moral problem, propose an idealistic solution, then try to impliment it until the entire system collapses. Any questions about how valid the theory is is heracy and shows lack of commitment to the moral cause.

Instead, you should focus on how the world IS before you figure out changes to reform the system.