Thread 714149242

Why aren’t you guys supporting AAA games anymore? Do you want to see the death of them?

It already halfway through the year and there have been no AAA smash hits.

I have this crazy idea. It's just a theory but bear with me. What if they actually made good games? I have a strong feeling that people would then buy their games

>>714149242 (OP)
Because AAA games suck, only focusing on graphics.

i just like good games

It's almost like AAA games don't have an army of executives and dictating what must and must not be in a game

>>714149242 (OP)
There really isn't much to it: None of those AAA games catered to me.
They're all highly compromised consumer products that aren't able to attract a core audience big enough to warrant their overblown development costs.

>>714149242 (OP)
>cater product to consumer
>consumer buys it

>dont do that
>consumer doesnt buy it

damn that's really complicated

AAA has no reason to exist in current world. Just like consoles, it once served a purpose of offering better performance in certain fields, now it simply gets dragged along the corporate train because they can't allow themselves to lose influence in any field even at great expenses.

>>714149242 (OP)
>clair obscur
>indie
lmfao

Indie games are stuck imitating snes and megadrive games from 30 years ago, and doing a piss poor job of it because they don't have the budgets (or the talent) to compete.

Mario Kart World has already outsold Clair Obscureddit 33

AAA have t been good since dark souls 2/mw2 era. They’ve been absolutely shite for at least a decade. People don’t even want to play new versions of older games since the older ones are almost always better due to less normie catering. I play 99% indies or 10+ year old games nowadays, even consoles are completely obsolete at this point

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?

Atleast for American/European devs, yes.

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?
yes

>>714149242 (OP)
E33 is not an indie game

>>714149242 (OP)
I want to see the death of indieshit

>Expedition 33
>Indie
Jesus fucking christ, why does everybody forget AA exists

>>714149242 (OP)
Wokeslop went indie a decade ago with Undertale, and AAA was copying that to promote their totally-not-ordained-by-the-higher-ups social agenda, so the industry has been dead for a while now. All that's going to change is AAA releasing coomslop with lootboxes and microtransactions, knowing that at least one whale out there is going to pay a mortgage every week on something that shouldn't legally be called a "game."

>>714149242 (OP)
i still buy AAA games, tho people now call them "retro" games for some reason and they are like $4 on steam

>>714149242 (OP)
>Why aren’t you guys supporting AAA games anymore?
I dont play AAA or AgendaAgendaAgenda slop. Fuck the AAA devs and their wok garbage

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?
No.
I want them to continue and get worse and more predatory and more expensive.
I want AAA consumers to be fleeced of all their money until they're homeless.
I want AAA devs under so much crunch they go insane.
I want AAA publishers and their shareholders to lose money as LINE GOES DOWN

>>714151154
>are you sure this will help us sell soap?

>>714151261
>I don't even use soap!

is it really fair to call Claire an indie game? Whats the definition of an indie game?

>>714149393
>What if they actually made good games?
Yikes, thats like nazi incel stuff.

>>714151567
For retards, indie means any game without a AAA budget

>>714149242 (OP)
Games like Clair Obscur are rich people pouring millions into marketing to masquerade as "disruptive indies" capitalising off exploiting negative sentiment held towards the current industry. Real indies are just getting buried.

>>714149242 (OP)
>clair
>indie
I wanna strangle those clickbaiting cunts

>>714151883
Anon, in the eyes of AAA, it's indie.
You and me don't matter in this to them. To them, to AAA, there is AAA and then there is Competition.
Clair Obscur and BG3 are their competition.

>Here's that indie deckbuilder about wholesome debate where you protect your activist in Pokemon style brawl.
>W-where are the people that support indie games...
If if there are indie winners, there are still indie losers out there as well.

>>714152310
50 failing indie games come out on Steam every day
Feels weird to jerk off about how some woke slop nobody ever heard of failed

>>714152310
there are simply too many games

>>714149242 (OP)
>indie
Game """""journalists"""""

>>714152014
>Anon, in the eyes of AAA, it's indie.
No, they could afford to hire the main character of a Marvel show to voice the protagonist. The game will never be indie.

>>714149242 (OP)
>farming simulators
which ones? i havent heard of any in a long time.

For the last 5 or so years, i only played 3 games, basically the same game, Spintires, Mudrunner and Snowrunner, all pirated ofcourse

>>714149242 (OP)
AAA is still clearing 100000x whatever marketshare indies have
the numbers don't lie, most gamers are still slop eating tards buying the yearly cowadoody and fifa before dropping money on league skins and the next fortnite battlepass.

>>714149242 (OP)
>games made by ex-Ubi employees with enough budgets for glossy graphics and celebrity VA are indie now
Fuck all the way off past the moon.

>do you want to see the death of them?
You over estimate my intentions and thought processes, I do not think that deeply.

I simply buy game and play game, if game bad then I no longer buy games from that studio
I dont care that their marketing pushed them to release a broken product, their marketing is still part of their company.

I dont care if a kabillion dollars have been mismanaged and now you need to ask 200 dollars for your game, I am not going to buy it, you shouldnt have mismanaged that much money.

If you are going to chase another audiance, I wish you well and all the success in the world, but if I am not the audiance you are trying to get too then I will assume the game isnt for me
But if it then flops and you demand why I didnt buy the game you said wasnt for me, I am blacklisting your studio.

Devs being let go rather then the management that fucks up? Sucks, really does, but thats how it goes in all business so put the fries in the bag.

AAA made its bed, now its time to go lie in it.

>>714152912
>fifa
Anon...

Why's some guy seething about E33 ITT

>>714153534
>ITT
I think you mean on the entire board
Look up which systems the game is on, and deduce which of the big consoles do not have access to it. That will give you the answer

I don't get it, does indie mean poor or independent?

>>714151642
I've been saying this for ages. Finally people here are starting to wake up.

Oh, me? Yeah, I guess you could say I'm a little thing called an indie dev haha, or it would be more accurate to say 'solodev'...You want to WHAT?? Listen I know I'm rich but please settle down. Ladies, get in line, one at a time!

>>714149242 (OP)
If E33 is "indie" then the term has lost all meaning.

>muh E33
Kepler is a C tier publisher, nobody blew a gasket when people called Ultros "indie". They definitely poured more money in it than their past projects but still. They're clearly trying to be like old Devolver, and most people would call their games indies too, because they're from independent studios.
I'm more interested in that they got a publishing contract for PVKK, I've been waiting for this game since the first trailer.

I don't believe I enjoyed a single AAA game in the past 20 years.

>>714150130
>AAA has no reason to exist in current world.
They're way too expensive to produce. Why spend all that money on one game, when you can make 3 mid budget games instead and release them in a timely manner?

>>714154580
Is this one of those games where you sit in one room/cockpit and manually interact with all the levers and stuff? I dunno if we have a genre name for that yet

>>714154773
Because saying you're going to make modest products that make modest returns doesn't make stock number go up

>>714154773
think about all those poor shareholders

>>714154580
I don't like the English text in these controls, especially with that font and not looking old/damaged at all. It feels like an OCR translation.
English just doesn't feel right for this context, it should have been German/Russian/Chinese or whatever, give me a manual to translate them myself.

why would I give a single fuck about your shitty AAA when my kangz at Ubisoft are serving me AAAA n shiet

>>714149242 (OP)
>E33
>Indie
In what fucking universe?

>>714154869
>I dunno if we have a genre name for that yet
autism

>>714153534
>seething
saying something is not indie is not seething. Are you insane?

>>714149393
Sorry we defeated Nazism 100 years ago and won't pass over that shit again

>>714149242 (OP)
>somewhere under $30million budget
>enough money in budget to grease palms all over the place and get automatic good reviews
>somehow it's considered an indie game because it's french, i guess

>>714154876
And then you end up with Concord, Hayenas, Veilguardl, etc.
I'm happy that AAA segment is collapsing under its own corporate, MBA-infested bloat. With all those high profiles layoffs, maybe the parasites will finally fuck off and move on to destroy another thing for short term profits.

because AAA are soulless turds that run like crap due to outsourcing every aspect of them except for the jobs of the 55 year old Boomer studio heads.

>>714154958
Depends entirely on how you want to define it. Independently owned studio? Self funded? Self published? Some upper limit on budget/scope? It's a very hazy border.

>>714154876
putting all your eggs in one basked has never been a good investment strategy

>>714149242 (OP)
The last AAA games released in 2011. After that there were only a smattering of AA games and overfunded, mismanaged trainwrecks. They almost certainly don't have the know-how to even set up a viable management infrastructure for endeavors this large and the very large AAA team sizes are mostly being used for performative business management.
>>714149393
Crazy talk.
>>714150963
Because it's such a nebulous term. A studio with funding and some industry contacts isn't easily distinguished from indie by the layman.
>>714155391
Modest products with modest returns are "Many baskets". Current AAA is just gambling on longshots and hoping external funding doesn't dry up.

>>714149242 (OP)
>clair obscur
>bank rolled by billionaire family and helmed by a director from Ubisoft
>""""indie""""

>>714149242 (OP)
AAA development was a mistake. Its motto is to pour hundreds of millions into giga projects that take half a decade to make, which try to cater to literally everyone. It's no wonder the end result is a gray featureless goop.
But it seems normalniggers love their flashy graphics and A list actors.

>>714155632
>bank rolled by billionaire family
Two angel investors that got equity and with full names you can see on Linkedin
>helmed by a director from Ubisoft
He was one step above an intern monkey and didn't actually do anything except organize meetings if you go by interviews
I have a lot of complaints about this game but stop making shit up to be angry about

>>714155843
>if you go by interviews
Why would I believe the guy lying about how indie his company is?

>>714155930
>the guy lying about how indie his company is
what lie
you can go stalk their facebook posts from 2019 and the timeline for the game's development tracks perfectly

>>714155985
>our company "only" has 33 employees! haha so epic just like the game name!
>pls ignore the 200 people listed in the credits

>>714149242 (OP)
I bought 4 games on the steam summer sale. Severed Steel, Gris, Evil Genius and Banner of the Maid. It cost me less than 10 euros in total. I've only cleared the campaign once on normal in Severed Steel (very cool game) and I plan to try out all the other game modes and then also clear the campaign on harder difficulties at some point. I've tried out Gris, I'm going to complete it but unless it picks up I'm probably not replaying it. I haven't even gotten to Evil Genius and Banner of the Maid yet. And some fucking idiot expects me to pay 80 euros for a SINGLE game filled to the brim with microtransactions?
Good riddance.

>>714156139
>but unless it picks up I'm probably not replaying it
It seems like a kind of short one-and-done story/atmosphere game anyway, like Journey

>>714149242 (OP)
I celebrate the death of AAA gaming studios.

>>714156193
That's definitely the feeling I'm getting from it. Not bad, but it probably won't stay installed after I'm done with it. Hardly matters, because it cost me less than a bag of chips and I expect I'll get a few hours out of it.

>>714155843
>assistant creative director
>one step above intern monkey
>at the largest AAA studio on the planet
LMFAO
M
F
A
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>>714156280
>I doubt Kepler Interactive funded them for such a big amount
Didn't Kepler pay for all the VAs from the marketing budget? That is easily several million

>>714156362
I usually uninstall games after finishing them anyway, I got way too much shit I wanna play to 100% something unless the content after finishing once is sufficiently different

>>714156086
>our company "only" has 33 employees! haha so epic just like the game name!
When did they say that though? You have to do memes like adding the children born during development to get the funny number. Meanwhile they praised the fuck out of their external animators and how they got to meet them.

>>714153015
Rare truth nuke

>>714150130
This. Videogames nowadays belong to discord trannies and faggots. It's a dead industry.

>>714156381
>Didn't Kepler pay for all the VAs from the marketing budget?
They funded the whole game from 2022 onward, but the studio had already cast all VAs, Kepler only brought them Cox and Serkis.
And it was probably more about industry connections than money, according to Cox it was a single afternoon side job his agent got him to do and he was extremely confused at how much attention he got from it.

>>714156651
Well yeah because Gustave dies
I like how you're conveniently ignoring Andy fucking Serkis

>>714156280
So... A guy gets his rich daddy to give him money and makes a fucking awesome video game? Is there any real issue here?

>>714155630
>Modest products with modest returns are "Many baskets". Current AAA is just gambling on longshots and hoping external funding doesn't dry up.
I guess the exinction of dinosaurs didn't teach them anything

>>714156835
it should've been me

>>714156835
It's desperate cope to somehow deflect the "small team made good game so why can't AAA do it?" criticism
Shills think it somehow proves that you need 5000 people to make a game

>>714149242 (OP)
>kepler owned and published
>multiple studios worked on
>the head with his "Ohhh I left le evil ubisooooft" is exactly like piratesoftware in that he was a super rich nepohire baby
>massive fucking marketing campaign
>>>>>>>>>>>>"indie"

>>714156747
Serkis is great and I love him, he must easily have been the most expensive out of the whole VA cast, but still, it's VA. It's more about having the film industry connections to get them to agree, but it doesn't cost much because it takes very little time to do. Actors love VA gigs because it takes a day of work for a paycheck, just look at the absolute trash animated films that manage to bag A listers for marketing, or the shit Mark Hamill has voiced in.
They didn't make Serkis do mocap either despite primarily being a mocap actor, they did it themselves. Renoir probably has fewer lines than Gustave too, he's impactful but doesn't appear much.

>>714156835
No, and that’s why they say jealousy is an ugly emotion.

>>714152951
We should have never let journos allowed to call the Warner Brothers published game Bastion indie. That is the root of this evil.

Blue Prince and Monster Train 2 are the most interesting games of Q1-2 2025. You don't need half a billion dollars to make a worthwhile game!

>>714156280
I have seen how the game looked when it was entirely self funded before the investors got involved (the VA demo) and it didn't look like a nepo fag hiring the best of the best, it looked like a shitty /agdg/ project.
>Kepler wouldn't fund their biggest project since Shifu with 3 million dollars
Is this nigga serious?

>>714149242 (OP)
clair obscur is not indie

>>714157231
For me it's SNAILSHOCK. Not a fan of slaythevampiresurvivorslikes like blue prince.

Pretty sure people are still buying CoD and Fifa over and over

>>714153015
perfectly based

>>714149393
Yikes! Cool it with the antisemitism!

>>714156835
>recieving investments from family with 0% interest=bad
>seeking out financiers who want to supervise your project=good

>>714149242 (OP)
triple shit games have been taken over by far left lunatics, and anti consumer practices. so yes I want to see the death of them.

>>714156835
>being independent and poor = good
>being slave to shareholders who invest gorilions to you = good
>being independent and rich = bad

>>714157474
it's independently owned thoughbeit

>>714156280
This is really stretching the meaning of "indie game" then.

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?
And their suffering too.

>>714149242 (OP)
>game "journalist"
I'm sure the answer to the question is because of evil straight white men.

>>714149393
To be fair it's easier said than done. But cutting out the bloat, not putting in political propaganda, catering to the people who actually buy games ie fanservice is something that always sell and you might not get a 10/10 game but a game people might actually want to play and buy.

Okay ace combat, but it's high fantasy and you're a dwarf on a gryphon.
Everything is as aggressively Scottish as possible.
Would you pirate it /v/?

>>714149242 (OP)
"Indie games."
Indie went from 1-3 guys working in a garage to a nepobaby super rich family empire with 100+ working on a game real fast

>>714149393
That's very antisemitic! Stop that!

>>714149242 (OP)
>Why aren’t you guys supporting AAA games anymore?
Not the target audience, no money from me, simple as
>Do you want to see the death of them?
If I'm not the target audience, why would I care about what happens to them?
go rant about it to someone who cares

>>714150221
I thought about it and came to the conclusion that indie games simply lack a purpose. ALttP might not be the flashiest game but the devs set to make a 16bit Zelda sequel and everything is tightly designed and has purpose. Compare with the modern indie iteration, it will have a double triple jump into ground pound with flashy particle effects but taken as a whole, why is that in the game? There will be all these systems, but it will be very shallow and level design boil down to procedural generation over carefully crafted places. Why does this game need to exist when there are hundreds like that on Steam already? Because everyone wants to be an indie dev, it's hip and trendy. But what is the purpose of this game? What are we trying to achieve here? Indie devs are no different now than the AAA industry simply pumping out sequels and slop just because they can.

>>714161917
Only if the gryphon is female and gives the dwarf bedroom eyes while a shortstack dwarf woman seethes.

>>714161917
>Would you pirate it /v/?
yes, it sounds interesting
if on top of that is fun, i might buy it on a sale

>>714162950
Nothing will be said about the the gender of the Gryphon but you'll be able to edit it's name.
>>714163085
Game structure will be similar to AC 4 because I hate gimmick missions.

>>714149242 (OP)
>clair obscur
>indie game

>AAA not doing that we'll
There are 2 reasons for that
Budget and expections
AAA made for 200 mil can sell 15mil copies but the chairs might not be very thrilled by that
Meanwhile AA or even smaller AAA (e33, space Marines 2, kcd2) etc can be made for <50 mil and they are more than happy to sell 5 milion copies in first few years

Is the constant seething over clair obscure just contrarianism or tortanicfags crying they couldn't get another fix?

>>714163440
What about the bedroom eyes and the seething dwarf woman? That's the dealbreaker.

>>714163692
You'll only see the ass, and there are no women on magic-coms. You'll have to pretend.

>>714163690
more likely mindbroken turnbased ff fags

anons, please support AAA games and buy them immediately so they can reach 6 gorilion sales in 1 hour... it's important for the gaming industry

Why is the industry lying and tying to sell E33 off as an indie?

>>714163690
I guess it's the incessant over the top fake praise that caused a natural equal and opposite reaction.

People who liked it (or wanted it to be liked for some other stupid reason) should have acted more like normal people

>>714156280
>"Take this info as you will"
Immediate red flag line, every time someone does this it's also bad faith arguments you find in self-help/"alternative" medicine/anti vax/schizophrenic/conspiracy theory garbage. This fag is just jealous

>>714157104
Serkis obviously had to be more expensive per hour than anybody else but its not like Renoir had that many lines.
Fuck he might have had less lines than Gustave.
As you put it he probably knocked out in a workday and in the end it wasn't that expensive

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?
I want to see the death of western (and japanese) games in general, not just AAA

>>714151567
One that isn't funded by a publisher.

I buy games that are good and that I like. I don't buy them because they are AAA, AA or indie.

>>714149932
This. When an indie game is a full package for half the price of a normal game people play it

When a AAAA game cost over 100 bucks to get access to all the content, also has a separate season pass you have to buy, and you also have to download an entire second launcher for the game people might have second thoughts on buying

>>714149242 (OP)
Nintendo is never winning a GotY Award from Geoff ever again lol.

>>714149242 (OP) (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?
In 8K 60fps if possible pretty please

>>714152647
This is something that's only gonna get more prevalent as time goes by. We're kinda seeing the start of it now with the oversaturation of live service titles and rising game prices.
There's less reason to play anything new because everyone's backlog just keeps growing.
Why play the latest 90$ AAA live service slop title that everyone's raving about this year when there's like thirty other critically acclaimed titles released in the past twenty years that you've yet to play, and at a substantially lower cost too?

The last good AAA game was Titan fall 2 and you all know i'm right.

AAAslop deserves extinction.

>>714149242 (OP)
>French Nepobaby Redditors 33
>indie

>>714149242 (OP)
>Do you want to see the death of them?
Yes. I want to see indie games die too. Absolutely nobody in this industry is trying to make something good. It’s all trend-following garbage.
>b-but my heckin wholesome indie game made by one guy!
No.

>>714149242 (OP)
if Expedition 33 is Indie then so is BG3

>>714156280
people keep posting this image but their is 0 proof that the CEO family is involved in the financing of the game.
People tried to find evidence but nothing came out.
For now, the "rich dad" argument is just cope.

In which language independent translates to poor?

What farming simulator is the best rn /v/

>>714149492
Wrong. Look at Death Stranding 2

>>714173374
in all african languages

>>714173374
have you ever seen a strong independent woman being wealthy? they are all poor.
now you know

>>714172287
bg3 is an indie game since it's self published

>>714174065
Oprah is wealthy.

To be quite honest i just want Ubisoft to go under this year
THIS YEAR
See them keeping the AC: Japan that people asked since AC1 only for its release be the final nail in the coffin

>>714150221
>Indie games are stuck imitating snes and megadrive games from 30 years ago
Indie games have existed since even before the 00s. You think they're all platformers and JRPGs or something?

>>714149242 (OP)
>Why aren’t you guys supporting AAA games anymore?
Because bla krock and vanguard money is being used to hire women, fags and niggers to insert Marxism into games. Not only is it propaganda, but it's mediocre talent hired to destroy gaming. Let the corpo borpos burn and the kikes lose the boomers 401k hedge fund golem money.

>>714149393
These kind of opinions are just toxic ableism. Not all devs are good. You're putting pressure on those poor people by implying the works they create should have a minimum quality.

>>714171863
I was more talking about the "straight men cannot have anything enjoyable" movement that's been surrounding AAA games for 15 years now, but that's a valid point too

>>714149242 (OP)
>E33
>indie
so taking money from a publisher, using a publisher to advertise your game and PUBLISH it still makes you indie, even though the definition of indie is independent of a publisher, which they are not?
Even their own studio doesn't consider themselves indie, but I guess you really can't expect game """""""""""""""""""""""journalists"""""""""""""""""""" to be able to actually string together a coherent thought