Thread 714211527

I'm not watching 4 hours of ugly virgins bickering on youtube. So can I get a TLDR of who's actually right in this argument? Is SKG unfeasible?

>>714211527 (OP)
stop devoting energy to them
nobody cares

one guy wants you to sign his worthless petition and the other guy is a cryptojew furry loser

Literally just listen to Thor
He has a better voice
He is more beautiful
He has more subs

Beauty and popularity is absolute.

The Jewish trillion dollar companies can afford it, but they prefer to kill live service games so they can sell them to you all over again and you don't have any option to go back to the previous one.

>>714211527 (OP)
>So can I get a TLDR of who's actually right in this argument?
PewDiePie
>Is SKG unfeasible?
Nope

>>714211527 (OP)
tl;dr welfare recipients are trying to get the EU government to force people to make things for them, for free

this is entirely consistent with their ideology and previous behavior, and should come as no surprise to anybody

however, due to their dependent status and lack of political or financial backing or clout, it is more than likely the movement will go nowhere even if they get enough signatures for EU review

one of the things that people have to show when bringing something like this to the table, is that it has a serious impact on a great number of people, and considering what they decided to use as their examples for their impact statements, it's going to be a hard thing to actually prove

they will use examples like usb-c and steam refunds (started by autsralia first btw), but those broadly affect people, in this case they could only find a handful of individuals and a couple of truly shitty old games nobody ever cared about, as examples of why end of service for an online game is a bad thing

>>714211527 (OP)
SKG is morally right but practically unfeasible.

>>714211632
>we're going to overtly harm small businesses in order to mildly inconvenience the huge corporations that can absorb the cost easily, and that's a good thing

>>714211617
Who's that?

>>714211846
>practically unfeasible.
how so.

>>714211527 (OP)
>Is SKG unfeasible?

>>714211783
it's easy, shlomo. I pay for a game, I get a game. your kvetching isn't convincing anyone.

demons will rape his bones dry for renouncing jesus christ as his saviour

>>714211527 (OP)
>virgins
Ross is a married man.

>So can I get a TLDR of who's actually right in this argument? Is SKG unfeasible?
Ross, he wants to prevent the destruction of private property due to planned obsolescence.
Check this FAQ video if you have questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA. It has timestamps.

Jason is being a corpo cuck.

>>714211527 (OP)
Left wants companies to do their job and make games, not services. Singleplayer game tied to online? Not allowed anymore. Online game shut down just so the company can make you buy next year's version? Not allowed anymore. Game you liked that a soulless corporation turned off because it wasn't making $101,000 a month? Not allowed anymore. Games must have end of life policies in place to continue letting players play the game they bought.

The right (and shitters in this thread) want the status quo. They want companies to own your 'product' and hold licenses over your head. They like it and want it to continue. They have posted actual child porn and gore in previous threads to derail them. That's the kind of arguments you'll find against StopKillingGames.

>>714211527 (OP)
iirc some channel called DesignerDave, some dev guy, made a tl;dr about it. The even shorter version is, SKG is feasible. I'd say it's morally right, but that's subjective.

>>714211846
>I don't know what a software license is
>so I'm going to try and fuck everything up
morally indefensible, actually

>>714211527 (OP)
Doesn't the queer on the right use a voice changer to make it sound deeper?

>>714211527 (OP)
The one of the left wants you to be able to play your games when the jews pull the plug in order to make you buy a worse sequel.
The one on the right wants you to have less consumer rights so that he can scam you more easily with his perma early acess indie game that will never be finished.

>>714211876
>harm small businesses
How?

>>714211876
>Literally all they have to do is release server software, turn off DRM when EoSing, or just enable LAN play
>AN IMPOSSIBPE TASK

>>714211887
The Norse god of thunder, duh.

>>714211617
>Thor
Imagine calling yourself that. Such a massive faggot

>>714211846
How is it unfeasible? There are already private servers and shit for games. So the feasibility of people doing their own servers isn't up for debate.

>>714211783
>reddit spacing
>actively against it.
okay thor, go back to your 24/7 ferret stream, its the only thing making you money considering your recent donos have been proven false and you are clearly not releasing your game.

>>714212108
"Software licenses" aren't real, it's made up. Kike lawyers invented it so they exploit goys, same with "IP" and "copyright".

>>714211527 (OP)
who cares I just want to see the furfag BTFO

>>714211527 (OP)
>I can't be bothered going through both sides and the facts so can someone please tell me what to think so I can regurgitate some sophistry

Imagine being this much of a faggot OP

>>714212058
This post is funny, because the people who will defend the status quo will use the status quo itself as their defense, and they will be correct, because ridiculously huge millions of people prove every year that they want and are willing to pay for the GAAS slop.

They will point to this fact, that many more millions of people enjoy live service games and are unbothered by them ending someday, and knowing that they will die does not impede their enjoyment or willingness to spend.

It will be impossible for skiggers to show a negative impact in this environment of willing consumers, who are not experiencing anything resembling distress. Their tiny minority of deranged retards who want to play a 10 year old racing game so badly they bothered the EU, will be sent packing.

That is how this will end, no matter how many low poly gigachads you post.

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Mishiro now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMeyXeAbQjk

>>714211783
>buy game
>dev ends support
>still own a playable version of the game
This is what SKG wants to achieve
>buy game
>dev end support
>a game you bought is now unplayable, money stolen
This is Jewry that you nickle and dining swine are spreading

>>714211985
it's really funny how little views this video has
it just goes to show you that 99% of people on the internet don't even bother to research things on their own time and only want to learn things by listening to dramatuber video essays or 4chan arguments

i bet only a quarter of the anons itt actually read the stuff on the website

>>714212330
>There are already private servers and shit for games.
This isn't the 90s anymore anon, server tools can fuck with a lot of games especially if it isn't proprietary, that's the downside of the online age.

>>714212441
>PLLRRRPRRRFFBRLRRRLTFFTT
That's what you just posted.

>>714212265
He used to call himself Maldavius Figtree so looking at it that way Thor is a step up.

The people who tell you it's unfeasable are stupid. All you really need to do to meet your obligations as a publisher of an online game is to simply not hardcode in the address the game uses to connect to your servers. Store in an ini or txt.
Then if people care/are skilled enough they will be able to make a server. Putting out dedicated server files is unnecessary, as you can(and should) consider those trade secrets as a live service publisher.

>>714212465
So what would a playable version of, say, WoW look like if Blizzard ended support? Fucking nothing.

OP retarded

>>714212330
Private servers require people to maintain them
People require money to maintain them
Donations used for anything other than server maintenance instantly constitute copyright infringement.
Copyright infringement must be punished or a company risks losing their copyright.

Do you really think it is feasible for anyone to constantly monitor every private server to make sure money is being spent only for server maintenance? Even that can constitute potential copyright infringement. It is not even the fault of the corporations, because if you let a small server get away with it a larger, more jewish corporation can come in and use that as evidence that you're no longer enforcing copyright and thus have given it up.

>>714212402
And yet Jews are against IP laws because it means others can control ideas they want and they either can't have it or have to give up something for it.

>>714212465
I'll make you a deal, you finish up your steam backlog and then I'll give you my full support.

>>714211527 (OP)
>I'm not watching 4 hours of ugly virgins bickering on youtube
But you apparently have the time to spam threads about them all over the catalogue all day. Fuck off.

>>714212058
>>714212441
And the big argument status quo, pro corpo use, outside of intentionally distorting what SKG is, is a rehash of why you can't raise taxes on the rich and need to keep dumping incentives on them. Because if game publishers can't just shut off games on a whim, they'll just pack up and stop making games.

>live service games exist in a legal void that encourages consumer abuse
>SKG is an initiative that wants companies not to abuse people

>>714212594
I do not care about copyright. That has no benefit to me as a consumer.

>>714211527 (OP)
>Is SKG unfeasible
it's a waste of time. SKG only exists because Ross willingly purchased garbage live-service ubislop (The Crew), which ended up being shit and got shut down(surprise, surprise). Now he wants the EU government to force every studio, including broke indie devs, to waste dev resources supporting their game after a hypothetical shutdown.
None of this would be an issue if people didn't buy live-service slop.

>>714211617
Hi Thor

I'm opposed to SKG because I don't want europoors to have things. I want them to stay europoor.

This might affect me personally in a minor way, but knowing a europoor is also affected negatively turns it into a net benefit for me.

>>714211876
How many small companies are making live service games in the first place? Seems like any company that can afford to invest in live service infrastructure and associated server costs in the first place could also afford to come up with a plan for when they don't want to pay for that shit anymore.

>>714212721
Well you should care, because it effects the consumer even if negatively. You have to change copyright laws for it to be feasible.

>>714211632
Didn't need a capital J in jew.

>>714212567
It's a subscription-based game, meaning it actually gives the player a clear indication of when service ends - at the same time their subscription ends. In other words, it already complies with the law. But I could see a version of WoW where the player can run around, do quests and level up as perfectly playable even if dungeons and raids remain unavailable

>>714212739
>waste of resources

okay money grubbing jew

>>714211527 (OP)
https://vocaroo.com/1gNnqNBiojFq
https://vocaroo.com/1r6eVtzdzMrK
https://vocaroo.com/1aglKB2asVFk

>>714211527 (OP)
The whole petition is a toothless nothingburger, but the other retard is putting it down for the wrong reasons. He's basically being a corpo shill while not saying he's being a corpo shill.

>>714212567
You would have the same game but with single player bots for dungeons like Final Fantasy XIV does?
There were wow private servers with bots that could do dungeons with you.
You can even make your own WoW private servers now. So what's stopping other devs to give you this, since they won't be supporting their game anyway.
Sure beats having literally nothing you ignorant cunt.

>>714212567
Private servers are already a thing

>>714212739
>Now he wants the EU government to force every studio, including broke indie devs, to waste dev resources supporting their game after a hypothetical shutdown.
That's not at all what it's about. If its implemented no support from devs is required to keep games running. It's only in the current environment where some devs or publishers choose to make the ability to play a game dependent on their support.

>>714211527 (OP)
As a modestly-informed consumer, I'd lean with Ross for two sincere reasons:
>I want the outcome where products and services I enjoyed aren't completely killed
Look at Blacklight Retribution on PC as an example. Had an account with tons of cool, exclusive things, but the game shut down, so I couldn't play it or use any of my things. At best, there was the console version.
>Thor is a narcissistic asshole
I just don't like or respect him. He's got such an inflated ego that he can't take accountability or apologize when he fucks up or harms other people. All he'll do is reframe things to put himself in the best possible light while shifting blame (look at the OnlyFangs raid incident as an example). Even if I didn't find him to be a prick to others, he lacks the maturity and consideration for others to suggest to me that his intentions are pure and sincere.

By the way, to the homosexuals praising Thor for his speech, his voice is well known to be bullshit filled with filters. Look up vids of his real voice on YT and you'll see multiple examples of him at public speaking events.

>>714212567
Doesn't matter what it ends up looking like. The people should be free to continue using their purchase in whatever way they want if official service is discontinued.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the EU moves at turtle speed and if a company wants to stop people from accessing their stuff they'll just use one of the million holes this thing has. I agree with the sentiment, but this will fail.

>>714212594
That was always a issue for decades on online gaming so that's not an excuse

>>714212594
>Private servers require people to maintain them
Once the End of Services reaches its date, the company is no longer responsible for damages and it is up to the customer to accept the risk of use, just as any open source software provider indicates in its user license since the 80s.

>People require money to maintain them
You don't need money to create a LAN Party with your friends in the privacy of your home. You just need your computer.

>>714212465
No, it's even SIMPLER, FAG.
>single player game that has stupid online bullshit NEEDED for some reason
>devs can't cut that out and leave a final update to patch the game and not need to check for an online authentication

Easy, Bethesda did it with Doom collection. You used to NEED to log in to Bethesda.net. Now you don't.

>>714212524
This isn't real right? Does he not consider what happens when the entire codebase is riddled with "minor" inefficiencies like that? These things add up in the background and then you're left wondering why your software runs like fucking ass.

>>714212754
hahah

>>714211613
fpbp as usual

>>714213206
that cost them gorillions! think of the shareholders!

Is it true the Malding Faggot guy spams SKG threads on 4chan with CP to try and get people to stop talking about it? Someone on discord was saying they were in his discord and he was encouraging people to do that while alluding to the fact that was what he was already doing.

>furry retard does not click on a mana gem during a WoW raid
>this leads to european legislation on video games
butterfly effect?

>>714213206
Learn to read mongrel

>>714211617
>He has a better voice
then why is he using voice changer to deepen it

>>714212465
What you're actually going to get:
>buy software license
>it that explains the game service is expected to end around (date), but may end sooner or later depending on external or future business decisions factors
>as a license holder, you are not granted any additional rights even if the game service ends early
>AGREE / DISAGREE

>>714211617
so that's the reason I thought he was the son of Gaben

>>714213292
nah thor did his SKG videos and streams months before the roaching incident

>>714212126
No it's just jealous trolls

>>714213368
It's not a voice changer, he just went through a second puberty.

>>714213292
lmaoooooooooo

>>714213053
>required to keep games running.
that's not what I said. you are still forcing developers to spend time and money developing hypothetical end-of-life mechanisms instead of actually working on the game

>>714213424
I think a lot more people showed up to see what type of piece of shit he was after that
it was all the fucking video game internet was talking about for a solid week (so stupid lol)

>>714213424
penguinz0 (maybe) wouldn't have done a vid on this if thor didn't became a lolcow in the meantime (in huge part due to the roaching incident + ashes of creation + cheating in outer wilds and animal well)

>>714213409
yeah I sure didn't get Steam refunds when other consumer protection governments forced them to implement them

>>714212126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCB3VcJy-c&t=36354s

>>714213057
He's just an all-around bad human being.
Naming himself "Pirate Software" for SEO purposes, the shit he pulled during Second Life (and from what I've heard EVE), the shit he pulled during OnlyFangs, his narcissism, cosplaying as a developer despite being a nepo baby who didn't develop anything, the list goes on.

>>714213331
Fuck you, I know exactly what I want out of this, Jew.

>>714213660
Learn to read mongrel

americans having petty arguments over a european initiative
If anyone was really serious about this getting passed they would be seeking out the top german and french streamers and getting them on board but all these retards want to be the hero themselves and only speak to their own audiences of english speakers, most of which are outside of the EU and can't contribute any signatures

>>714212193
>Literally all they have to do is release server software, turn off DRM when EoSing, or just enable LAN play
because they have to pay people to do this, when the jewish modus operandi since the dawn of jews has been don't pay anyone ever. these companies will pay more to fuck you, than pay less to make you happy. do you know why? because faggots pay them for everything, no matter how much gouging happens. when your average person participates in a humiliation ritual they don't understand, that's worth every dollar to jews.

>>714213449
He never went through a first puberty.

>>714211617
>He is more beautiful
Bro, the dude literally looks like a bond villain, what the fuck are you smoking?
At least make feasible bait points if you're trolling.

>>714211527 (OP)
It's like with job security: in the US, you're "at-will", which means your boss can throw you out at moment's notice for no reason and there's nothing you can do about it. In the EU there's a bunch of mandatory steps that make process more involved.
Games right now use the US model: any and all controll lies with publisher. You spent $100,000 on your diablo character or waifu collections? Don't care, it's all gone.
SKG wants something akin to the EU model where weaker party is protected in various ways. There's not a single fixed demand to provide servers forever, just like you aren't unfireable in the EU. But there needs to a wind-down procedure that attempts to preserve the purchase value, or you've gotta be honest and say that the player is never actually "buying" anything.

>>714213514
It's generally going to be a pretty trivial amount of time and money for something that WILL be very relevant when they decide to end service. If that's somehow unfeasible, then maybe there was an issue with how your live service features were structured in the first place.

>>714213621
Hes doing a bit there low IQ brown

>>714211527 (OP)
>Is SKG unfeasible?
no, we literally had what it is asking for decades before live service took over

>>714213248
Pretty sure it's fake because it shows nothing shows up when googling it.
The bigger problem is that the whole thing is pointless when can you just take the number mod two.

>>714211527 (OP)
>'m not watching 4 hours
Go the youtube video description
Click show transcript
Copy it to chatgpt
ask it to summarize it in a few lines.

There.

>>714211527 (OP)
There are 2 major issues.

First and probably more hot button, is the burden. Keeping and maintaining a live service game open even in a skeleton state has costs and offlining such a game has non-trivial development costs. This is prohibitive on smaller studios whose experimental titles and big budget forays may fail spectacularly and leave them with a dead game they're forced to run. This issue's most realistic solution is instead of forcing the original developers to "save" the game, they just need to release the source code and leave it open to volunteers to do so in their place.

This opens up the second issue which is a bigger can of worms. This is essentially a forfeiture of your control and rights to the game. While most games end up truly dead and abandoned with rights lost to limbo, the current system leaves room for the original creators to come back and try to revive something. This chance is miniscule, but there are rare examples of old games getting revived. A system where developers automatically forfeit control of an asset if they choose to discontinue service is frightening for the developer. The costs and incentives such a system would produce are unpredictable. Most likely a sharp decrease in live service games which a lot of people would prefer. The rights afforded to "volunteers" who take over old games may allow them to profit and that itself might cause extreme complications as well. However this is all theoretical and not a judgement that can be determined without real hindsight.

As a consumer, there is almost no reason for you to not desire games not dying. As a company, the right to end a game is desirable and useful. The EU dur to being extremely consumer rights focused is likely to rule in favor of saving games. However whatever act or bill they pass to support it will likely be threadbare as the systematic processes to ensure a game continues are non-existent currently.

>>714213587
Penguin will only do a video if there's an obvious villain like Ubisoft. In this case Thor. he's too much of an idiot to actually string together competent arguments when he was exposed by Sneako of all people.

>>714211527 (OP)
Who's the one on the left?

>>714213248
>This isn't real right?
Correct

>>714213514
Implementing a system where the ability to play a game requires some sort of online interaction with the devs also costs them time and money, probably a lot more than developing an end of life plan would. Not to mention that running the infrastructure also costs the devs money and is the primary reason why things end up being shut down forever.

>>714212524
This code is a standin for a code that look both like his code and yandev code (pic related).
CPU wise it is indeed not an issue in practice for script thing.
However there is a reason why both his and yandev games are not out even after a literal decade of work on em.

>>714213514
>instead of actually working on the game

Because Concord, Marathon, Hyenas or Anthem would not be the fun and successful games they are today if they took care to implement EOL features.

>>714211527 (OP)
Why would anyone not want to save video games?

>>714211527 (OP)
It's another #gaymergayte, #killgames vindicated.

>>714213248
his game is a 2d earthbound-like. undertale has maybe the worst coding in fucking history. guess what? it runs perfectly fine on literally anything. shit like this only matters when your game looks like red dead redemption 2, and suddenly the cpu is fighting bad coding, along with everything else a cpu has to do regarding cutting edge 3d graphics. even bad coding combined with poor asset offloading from the cpu to the gpu will crippled a game. this is a non-issue in a game like heart bound, or undertale.

>>714213424
Yes but Ross only rebutted Jason's videos against SKG a week ago. The current controversy has been much bigger partly because of Jason's repeated pattern of being an single-digit-IQ smug asshole.

>>714213248
The "performance critical" codebase is the game maker engine.
That don't affect CPU time much, just development time.
A decade of work and nothing to show for it.

>>714213642
>cosplaying as a developer despite being a nepo baby
I mean, he worked as QA at Blizzard. Given with how we hear the games industry treats QA, that's not exactly a nepo baby position. If he started as a manager you would have a pont.

>>714213886
If you can't shoulder the burden of offlining the game when it's EOL, maybe you shouldn't be making a live service game?

Kill all online only games

>>714211527 (OP)
doesn't matter who's right or wrong - fact of the matter is that you sign a EULA that states you own absofruitly nothing; you're purchasing a license and not goods, so it doesn't matter. they can revoke the license at any time, they can shut down the game at any time - and you agreed to it
only response you will get from governmental bodies is that what they're doing is not illegal, but if you still believe it to be, then you should take it up with the courts

>>714214102
some online-only games are good though. I just want the ability to play them after the server goes down :(

>Gaming is being saved
>Piratesoftware's reputation is completely in the gutter
I'll have to give RRRRoss and PRRRRRRRRRRROMOTION

>>714211527 (OP)
>Is SKG unfeasible?
yes and piratesoftware is a scapegoat

>>714214135
We know. We want them to tell us that to hit the critical mass of normies understanding how fucked things are.

>>714213440
invents "second puberty" to explain why lowers his voice to sound manlier lmao

>>714213912
Freeman's Mind

>>714213912
Ross, some say Rosm

>>714214229
When's Ross gonna start selling hats and fake cancer?

>>714213937
>probably a lot more than developing an end of life plan would.
it's still an opportunity cost, and studios not named Ubisoft don't have the time or money to develop APIs and expose arbitrary parts of their source for hypothetical situations. They need to be working on the actual game

>>714212524
I remember people dunking on yandev for this, but really, what would you do? This isn't me claiming to be smart, i'm just interested since i only brushed with programing on my teens and if were to make a game i would probably do the same. The only thing i could think of is using case or a .JSON file, since iirc they were used as "catalogs".

>>714213961
>streamline cases and convert strings to an enum
>setup a sort of hierarchy for enum values (ex: insanity takes precedence over weapon and blood)
>segregate updatelabel and gameovercause onto another function
>inject the enum values into the function
r8

>>714214290
What makes it infeasible?
Stop Killing Games means leaving abandoned games in a playable state. It can be difficult, it should not be a nearly impossible reverse engineering effort to do so.

>>714214354
>>714214387
Is he that one MtF people said lives with PirateSoftware?

>>714213961
I feel like my code often degrades into spaghetti, but man am I glad I don't have to work with that kind of codebase

>>714213850
>pretty trivial amount of time and money
are you a developer? have you ever programmed online or multiplayer support?

>>714214076
And if his dad wasn't the Director of Cinematics he would've never gotten a job there at all.

>>714214135
a terms of service isn't a legally binding document, the courts can just say that this terms of service is bullshit and it's against the law, that said I doubt that the eu will do anything, like you've said, there's just no proof that it poses any real harm to anyone, stealing personal data is easy to see as harm, gambling is easy to see as harmful, game servers shutting down is hard to see as something that really harms people

>>714214464
Then just don't make games that require the player to get permission from you any time he wants to play a game. Problem solved. That worked just fine for decades.

>>714212126
pretty sure he just deepens his voice. Everybody can do that, it's just draining to do it all the time, but i imagine it becomes second nature if you keep at it.

>>714214464
>hypothetical situations
We've seen those hypothetical situations happen over and over again. Even from Ubisoft the publisher you named.
>don't have the time or money to develop APIs and expose arbitrary parts of their source
Release the server binary. It can be a confusing mess that requires AWS and seven different microservices.
>It can be difficult, it should not be a nearly impossible reverse engineering effort to do so.

>>714214542
>write (or find) a specific software to generate these scripts in a way you can easily see and edit em

But yes, your idea is also good.

>>714213961
In English, poindexter. What's all this techno gabbeltygook say?

>>714212848
>meaning it actually gives the player a clear indication of when service ends
Except it doesn't. Your conflating subscription end with service end.
One relates to the player specifically, one refers to the game as a whole. The latter is what this whole thing is about otherwise there would be no issue.
>it already complies with the law.
Which it wouldn't.

>>714214569
>What makes it infeasible?
Publishers can't make money off it

>>714213278
>it is now my life mission to kill pirate software

>>714213912
If it's confusing
Left = Good
Right = Evil

>>714214460
unironically brownoid resort to faking their voice to become more appealing. Just like retards calling themselves "Thor". Ur just mad you'll never pass

>>714214628
Pretty much. ToS agreements are basically you acknowledging that the devs can do whatever they want listed within them, but if they break consumer or personal rights then it can be challenged. The opposite is also true though, as if nothing is infringed upon then it's destined to fail, which shutting down their own servers falls into.

>>714214512
For checking odd or even?
>if ((n & 1)) == 0 { // even }

>>714214871
Arigatou

>>714214840
Yes they can.
>MMO shuts down officially
>Licensing terms for server binaries requires a 30% cut to them paid out every quarter
Warhammer Return of Reckoning could be printing money for EA right now. Now imagine how much more popular it would've been if the RoR team didn't have to spend years reverse engineering the game to get it up and running again.

>>714214730
His code is like a gigantic mass of tangled spaghetti that takes the whole day to find the specific wire he needs instead of having everything neatly sorted, so it's a decade or more of work that is mostly seeking shit in the pile.

>>714211527 (OP)
>piratesoftware

>>714215019
>>Licensing
SKG is all about getting it FOR FREE.

>>714214906
Of course you would know that

>>714215113
No it isn't. Leaving the game in a playable state includes transferring service to another provider.

>>714213248
>This isn't real right?

>>714214794
From the point of view of the law, renting or subscribing means the customer gets told clearly when *their* service ends. So if you're subscribing to a game you can only expect access as long as you keep paying. If you *buy* a game, however, the reasonable expectation is that you get to keep it forever - the same as if you buy a t-shirt. That's the whole point of STK: to get a law put in place to establish ownership over games *you've purchased*. Subscription-based games are exempt from SKG's initiative

>>714214135
Yeah nigga that's why we want a law to change that.

Ross needs to shave that shit off

>>714215254
I don't even want a law changing that specifically. Great if it happens but I just want the gray area to state for the record what is legal for companies to do and what isn't.
A multi billion dollar industry shouldn't operate within gray areas.

>>714215116
Yeah I'm speaking with a street shitter rn. U mad your faggot eceleb is a pussy?

>>714215313
Ross needs to keep rocking it and not shave a single hair off.

>>714215242
>STK
SKG* That's it, I'm going to bed before I fuck something else up

>>714215313
It's a good thing low-level autists are immune to propaganda.

>autos*ged
We see you, janny

>>714214591
Yes and yes. Have you?

YOU CAN KILL THE THREAD
BUT YOU CAN'T KILL THE IDEA
SEE YOU NEXT TIME MISTER JANITOR

>pinned thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1lp19ml/stop_killing_games_megathread/
Meanwhile over in this shithole threads are getting deleted. Rare plebbit W

>>714215463
You corporate cocksuckers shouldn't be spamming then.

>>714215204
Does piRAT not do enough cringy real things for you to not need to make them up

>>714214937
I don't think shutting down servers counts as directly causing harm, it's not direct exploitation, however if I was gonna find a compromise between companies and courts then I'd make it so live service games all have a monthly subscription from now on, you're guaranteed to have access to the game for 1 month, nothing is guaranteed beyond that, if the game shuts down during your subscription you get a refund, and every problem is solved, you can't find a fault with this, otherwise what, if you buy a monthly pass to a gym then the gym needs to have end of life plans for you? nah a gym pass guarantees you 1 month of access to the gym, if the gym shuts down during your subscription you get a refund, and that's all there is to it, companies would probably even like that, like instead of having f2p games you have a monthly 10 cents subscription, it'll kill botting since spending 0 dollars for 1000 bots and spending 100 dollars for 1000 bots is a big difference

>>714215519
#GAMERGATE

>>714215540
Isn't that just because there's a fuckload of ragebait threads (including this one)?

>>714215540
Ross said reddit was deleting threads left and right. They just don't do it anymore because big youtubers picked up the topic

it is impressive pirate both managed to completely kill the momentum of this but then also completely get it back into overdrive just because he is that unlikable as a person.

>>714215730
someone should fill these janny cunts in too

Ross famously bots /v/ whenever he needs people to watch his videos. This is no differen.t

>>714216163
Correct. I am bot #723. Nice to meet you!

>>714216163
Based weaponized autism.

>>714216163
This its is well known

>>714216237
It got cracked like last year.

>>714216330
Oh shit really? I'm pogging out rn frfr.

>>714216163
Hey guys have you seen the latest Freeman's mind!?