Thread 714213607

I CANT WIN A GAME BECAUSE EVERYONE IS A FUCKING 20 SOMETHING YO RETARD FOLLOWING SPREADSHEET BUILD ORDERS LIKE A COMPUTER PROGRAM AND YOU CAN'T COMPETE
THIS GAME USED TO BE FUN BUT METAFAGS RUINED IT
AND ON TOP OF THAT MOST PEOPLE PLAY ARABIA WHICH IS THE WORST MAP IN THE GAME, YOU CAN'T WALL FOR SHIT AND IN 15 MINUTES THERE ARE ARCHERS IN MY LUMBERJACK, TOWERS DONT DO SHIT, ARCHERS JUST DODGE THEM OR STAY WITHIN ONE TILE OF THEM
FUCK THIS SOULLESS DEMAKE AND ITS PLAYERBASE

>>714213607 (OP)
>playing a party game thats fun with friends online competitively with strangers

>>714213607 (OP)
Go play AOE4. It's actually fun and all of the civs look and play uniquely.
Very under rated in my opinion. The two dlc packs are worth it too.

>>714213753
PLAYING THIS GAME WITH FRIENDS FUCKING SUCKS, ESPECIALLY FREE4ALL WHICH IS A GLORIFIED GAME OF RISK GLOBAL DOMINATION

>>714213607 (OP)
Get past the initial elo calculating and get put into the 400s where you can sim city.

>>714214112
STOOPID SPREDSHIT ALL OVER THE ELO RANGE

>>714213607 (OP)
if they buffed handcannoneers, maybe youd win.

I just like playing the campaigns, don't care to touch MP becuase I like to chill out and plan shit instead of spamming hotkeys while watching history docs.

DE SAME SPRED SHEEIT EVARY TIME
DROP DE CASTILLE

>>714215620
I've seen videos of players with 5 elo and thousands of games and there's no way they're spreadshitting. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. You can reach the area that feels right.

I AM BAD AT THE GAME AND DON'T WANT TO IMPROVE WHY ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE PLAYING BETTER THAN ME?????????????????
lol
literal, actual, skill issue
If you lose enough you will probably derank into the steering wheel underhive and then you can play the game on your flight sim joystick or whatever the fuck you're trying to do.

>>714213607 (OP)
>play competitive game
>people start competing for the best of their abilities
WOOOW

also, you can literally just make a lobby for noobs if you want a casual game, or just join a 4v4 map, play with friends, or just play the shitloads of campaigns the game has.

AoE2 is in a better shape than it ever was, with more units and strategies being viable than ever. If you want to play competitive 1v1 be prepared that you will lose your first couple of matches because you will start on a high elo for newcomers. Also, the build order of your first 15 villagers is mostly set (just watch the spirit of the law video about it) but afterwards you can do a shitton of things you want

>>714213607 (OP)
They killed the game with the three kingdoms. Not only they're in the wrong era but people would rather see jurchen and khitan campaigns. Or play as the song dynasty.

>>714213607 (OP)
Just play singleplayer and enjoy the comfy campaigns or play with friends. Competitive meta-gaming spergs have always ruined everything. It's unavoidable.

>>714216937
>game is dead because [arbitrary thing]

>>714213607 (OP)
Pay attention and don't let archairs run underneath your tower

>love RTS games
>very bad at them

Play campaigns and AI skirmishes if you want fun.
Or put the AI on Standard and play Age of City Builder.

>>714217784
Same here. Never gonna stop playing them, especially Age of Mythology.

>>714213607 (OP)
Just wall and make skirm on Arabia and if they tower your lumber camp just make another one.

>>714216316
Most players below 1200 elo don't use build orders and if they are they are executing them poorly (30+ seconds of tc idle in dark age).

I like to play Sicilians and build those funny little donjons and annoy people

>>714213997
I haven't played it myself but watching a a few streamers AoE4 looks so weird and static compared to AoE2. It seems like every game is always fast castle into making a big army and then fighting. And these fights are also quite boring too, because is just your units stepping in one place shooting and the other army which is doing exactly the same (since you can't dodge arrows there's no point on kiting). I haven't seen also that early preasure that is so present in AoE2 and that makes every age except for dark age feel important. You don't see people rushing 3 archers or 3 scouts and automatically winning the game in 10 minutes if they manage to kill enough villagers and the opponent doesn't defend well

Op, legit just shut up.

>>714215853
holy fuck kys already

This game looks legit boring and uninspired for someone who grew up with warcraft and starcraft. Why play it when you can just play something like warcraft 3 and actually have fun?

>>714217784
Very rapepable character you posted.

>>714219435
>grew up with WC/SC
>play AoE
>never play WC/SC again

>>714219435
You're right. This gane is for sweats

>>714218125
>Most players below 1200 elo don't use build orders
this isn't true, pretty much everyone at 800 and above has a perfect dark age, some sperg posted the data like a year ago (pic related)
the difference in time mostly has to do with the fact that high elo and elite players usually click up with very few villagers to get quick raids, while low/mid elo players usually go for 21pop+loom build orders (if you search on google "scout/MAA/archer rush" the first results show BOs that won't have you click feudal with less than 20 pop or without loom)
if someone is 800 elo i can guarantee you it's not because of their dark age, it always has to do with shit that happens in mid feudal and onwards
also people on the 600-800 elo range probavbly use BOs too but poorly

>>714219435
>t. gookclicker

>>714213607 (OP)
>GAME USED TO BE FUN BUT METAFAGS RUINED IT
many, many such cases...

>>714217784
The Japanese have a special word for people like you that suck at what they love doing.
下手の横好き

>>714219326
i dont find my sister attractive, sorry.

>>714219435
as someone who also really loves sc and wc3:
for one, defensive playstiles are actually a thing in aoe2. You can build walls and towers and castles, and a bit of defensive troops, boom your economy and strike out with an unreleting force later, and also siege your opponent's own defenses.

there is also map variety. All sorts of maps are viable even competitively, with all sorts of water/elevation/forest/resources etc distributions. The maps are also randomly generated, meaning there is actual exploration of the map and adapting to different terrain for defense/offense

there are a bunch of cool little mechanics like units (and buildings) on highground dealing a lot more damage and recieving less from lowground, so you often fight for highground, or have to take it into consideration when placing castles. You can also dodge arrow shots, also aiming/dodging mangonel shots can be pretty intense without being cancerous like disruptors are in sc2

there are also 50 civs in the game, while individually not as unique as the 3/4 blizz factions, together they offer overall more options. Every civ has at least one unique unit, which usually has some unique role too and isn't just a slightly stronger version of another unit.

also out of sc1(remaster) and wc3 and AoE2(DE), I think AoE2 looks the best (if you don't murder the game's visuals with mods for some minuscule extra clarity like how many high level players/casters do)

>>714213607 (OP)
Competitive play always devolves into this. Find other casuals

>>714216937
They should've made Chinese able to eat corpses for regenerating health

>>714217784
I just play the campaigns. I have zero interest in out-sweating metafags.

Singleplayer is the way it's meant to be played.
Only people that play decades old multiplayer games are naturally going to be sweaty.

>>714213607 (OP)
Should have downloaded faf

>>714213607 (OP)
>THIS GAME USED TO BE FUN BUT METAFAGS RUINED IT
This is every game... Unfortunately...

>>714219435
Frankly same. I played AoE2 back in the early 2000s but it was weird for me. The RTS I grew up instead were WC3, mostly because of custom games and editor, Battle Realms, Stronghold. Later I moved on to Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, and picked up AoE3 along the way, and I unironically liked that one better than 2. After CoH2, I just kinda realized that RTS games are dead and just moved on to Total War and Mount and Blade for my battle sim enjoyment.

>>714220208
Pic rel proves my point though, 10 minute feudal is late and I've seen people that elo play, another thing is a lot of players below 1200 do is they don't use their army or they build their production buildings late. Like they might get a decent feudal time but it will take them like 2 minutes to make a stable. Or they will make scouts but not attack until they have like 8 of them.

>>714220839
'ampion 'ittin 'ining 'amp

>>714221537
>Pic rel proves my point though
it doesnt
you said people dont follow build orders below 1200, thats not true at all
sure, you also said "or poorly" but 10min feudal isn't really that poor compared to people who are just doing "what feels right" and click feudal at like 15min

>>714221537
Are you not just better off going up at 20 vills with no idle time and being able to get your stable as soon as you hit feudal? I mean if your execution is less than perfect

>>714221771
I dunno do you need a build order to recognise there is nothing to do in dark age once you have eaten most of the animals and you only need so much wood to get all the buildings you can make anyway

>>714216059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLbYqqXUsU

>50 civs (original game had 13)
>can't play them all because $$$DLC$$$
>still need to learn what they're good and bad at
>still need to learn their unique units because unique units break the counter meta
>in a game about hard unit counters
as bad as MOBAs at this point

>>714220943
It's the fun way, it seems. I have it on my Steam account and I'm installing right now, but after failing a few times back in the day to play online, this time I'll stay on the campaign and just try to have some fun.

>>714222309
What do you play, anon?

>>714221069
Same shit, just diluted because everyone plays team games

>>714222581
Anno

>>714213607 (OP)
If you're playing to win, why not use the best methods? That's how it works in all competitive games.

I am just now finishing the campaigns (already beat them on normal, now replaying on hard) trying my hardest to memorize hotkeys and how the game works, what each unit does etc, but I have a feeling as soon as I step into multiplayer none of it is actually going to help and I'm gonna get BTFO endlessly. Either way it's an extremely soulful game and I'm enjoying it, and just from the campaigns alone I've already got my money's worth, seriously there is a LOT of singleplayer content.

>>714221879
21 pop is a late timing, 20 pop is perfectly doable for new players

>>714222738
Heard some good things about it. A friend is addicted to it, too. kek

played my first ever online aoe game last month and got btfo from the jump for not villagermaxing in my 4 v 4 game and was the one who got attacked quick for it

scenario creation is the only way i've played this game the past 20 years. my most recent, I (Roman Catholic Church) defended against the muslims, freemasons, norse pagans, the jews and 3 other teams teamed up against us all at once, but did not prevail against the church gates on top of my hill. All their bases were next to to each other on the opposite side of the map and they all got crusaded once they started pissing me off

>>714223704
Good to know. Thanks!

>>714224701
Play with teammates around your elo so you don't match with players who are way too good for you to play against

>>714213607 (OP)
nigga just let it go... Your best years ain't coming back, your hair ain't coming back, nothing will ever come back.

>>714221879
I just follow the spreadsheets ok

Why do aoe2 players hate off meta strats so much? I'll play like 20 games as khitans and nobody will bat an eye but if I play off meta (i.e tower rush, persian douche, all in monks, siege tower into castle drop inside the enemy base) my opponent will wall his vills in a corner and call me "boring".

>>714213607 (OP)
Early game heavy RTSses always have some reallly counterintuitive and goofy metas. In AoE2 its all about luring the hog in the base and spamming priests and catapults. In games like CnC Generals the US Humvee is the single best unit in the game because how strong garrisoned rocket soldiers are.

>>714225167
>opponent will wall his vills in a corner and call me "boring".
Legitimate strategy, see cannon galleons on oasis. You are trying to give your opponent a bad experience don't cry when he does it back plus if your a skilled player you can easily take those corners back

>>714217784
I just play skirmish against bots and build a lot. It’s a comfy life

i've played fightan and shooters at a competitive levels but rts has always filtered me, you can't really wing it in rts, you have to follow a formula
that and matches can be long and losing can feel like shit

>>714221879
>>714225082
how do i knight rush
i want to piss people like OP off
spreadsheet would be helpful

>>714225515
I've done that a few times, the problem is players will usually give up just from me turtling and going to castle/imp before them. Plus maps that you can do em on are rarely in the 1v1 pool and when they are in the team pool I can never convince my friends to do it with me.

>>714225167
>I'll play like 20 games as khitans and nobody will bat an eye
that's just not true, everyone was seething at shittan pickers
also i hate persian douchers because I like my dark age chill

>>714225082
>research loom
Don't do this. Just go up raw like a real man.

So many civs now. Would prefer if they focused on making civs more unique. How does Japan not have ninjas? Why does India have knights? Why does every civ use galleons?

>>714213607 (OP)
unironically, play scenarios
some of the most fun i've had was playing shit like roll the dice, castle blood, u da prey, tower defense and simpsons/harry potter RPG

>>714230695
Because Europe is originally their focus. The idea of medieval is eurocentric since it only considered the fall of Rome and didn't include countries that had nothing to do with it.

>supposedly intense game genre
>threads always filled with whiny boomers
>>714230695
go play grand strategy or something retard

>>714231801
>Because Europe is originally their focus
Yea I get that. Just like AoE3 - all the original European civs are very similar. But the add-ons for the Japanese, Indians, Lakota etc. were amazing. All unique units. Be nice if that was the model.
>>714232245
ehh I've been playing AoE for almost 30 years...I have earned the right to whine. It seems like the game will be around forever so freshening up the original civs couldn't hurt. Giving all civs unique castles was a great start.

>>714213607 (OP)
Everyone is a sweat on the ladder after like 850 ELO. Problem is that current 1000 ELO players are basically advanced and new players have to lose 30 games in a row to get down to true beginner ELO which is awful design

>>714229314
Thanks for the win buddy

>>714234028
If you lose your first 10 games you will be at about 500 ELO

>>714225082
Where do you find these spreadsheets?

It's funny I'm an older player that had the game back in the day and I still remember this basic build order. When I came back to play I didn't look anything up I just recalled more or less how to go about it. I've pissed people off in games already.

EGALOS

>>714219435
go play an actually good RTS:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/334920/ZeroK/

>>714235632
This is like the 5th TA clone right? Supcom, Supcom2, Planetary Annihilation, BAR. Why do they keep making them?

>>714221068
>75pop limit
yeah no thanks

>>714213607 (OP)
Losing is just the game adjusting your elo to where it should be

>>714213753
>AoE2
>party game
Bait used to be a art

>>714213607 (OP)
Just play fun modes

>>714234567
the saracen sells them on his patreon. you have to get them from leaks or steal them from replays if you don't want to pay.

>>714213607 (OP)
you're a retard if you're getting beaten by 20 year old

ERECTUS

>suck at game
>blame suckiness on game
Classic /v/

>>714237764
Actually, we're blaming other players, get it right.

>>714223704
Knowing counter units will probably put you ahead of most low elo [;ayers

>>714213607 (OP)
I would actually agree with you on that because of how many factions the game has now. They've added dozens and broken apart old ones into even more and it was not for the better.

>>714229314
>>714234196
Should probably play Manor Lords too. Your puny peasants literally leave crops to rot in order to fight for you. Hilarity ensues, of course, as you have to backflip your way around hunger and chaos.

>>714238081
>Chinese
>Shu (Han Chinese)
>Wei (Han Chinese)
>Wu (Han Chinese)

Only trannies play on higher than 600 elo tho

>>714238980
Exactly. Awful. I miss when it was just Indians, Persians, Chinese, etc rather than each one being dissected into 3-5 lesser subfactions.

>>714238980
Should have been Tibetans, Bai and Tanguts. Three Kingdoms made no sense since we won't be seeing them in other campaigns.

>>714214091
>play with friends
>they turtle
>they turtle but they don't even know how to turtle
>raid them endlessly before eventually getting bored and killing them off
Sad really.

>>714215853
fuck that, buff infantry further, everyone still only goes knights/archers + trash unit/siege. If militia were to stay the way they were before but you could
>A
spam the shit out of them faster by making production faster tru the ages, if not slightly cheaper on the gold making the gold cost 15 or so
>B
they should all take less pop space, so along with with your standard knight/archer whatever shit you pull off militia line stays viable by the fact that instead of having 10 skirmishers/pikemen/hussars you could have 15 to 20 champs
>C
AoE2 was always meant to be a RPS with infantry-cav-archers, but militia line loses to both which is fucking retarded, militia line should get a +1 against cavalry per age or per upgrade, i'd go per age because its silly that only scouts, eagles, camels and sergeants get a bonus through aging up but militia, the only unit you can produce in the dark age stays the same shit.

Keep 2 out of 3 of these changes and militia line will stay relevant, they just need a unique role to make them stand out from ranged and cavalry, being a shittier siege unit is not it.

I used to lan this with a friend and we both liked it, but ultimately came to the conclusion that it was a race to trebuchets.

We got into Starcraft, but that was kind of rough because he played zerg and I would go terran, but we both preferred zerg,

We finally came to Rise of Nations, and it was the best and last of them for us.

This was all before games were efficiency or dickery. We played for fun. Good luck finding that online.

e-sports destroys games like the locust

>>714220208
>1050 1v1 elo, 1200 team elo
>have made at max a feudal of around 9:50ish which means i click as early as 8:20
>19 vills, no loom
>6 on sheep, 5 on wood, 3 more for boars and deer/chickens, 4 more for berries, final one either for more wood or gold if I want militia/archers
I can't understand how people make it up before 9 minutes, either it is a civ bonuses or they just go up with less than 17 vills which doesnt seem good in the long run.

why do you HAVE to play multiplayer? the campaigns will probably last you like 200 hours

>>714241030
>AoE2 was always meant to be a RPS with infantry-cav-archers, but militia line loses to both which is fucking retarded, militia line should get a +1 against cavalry
why don't you just build spears? they're an infantry unit that counters cavalry just like you want.

>>714241486
literally just follow the spreadsheet
>>714225082

>>714213607 (OP)
>YOU CAN'T COMPETE
>YOU CAN'T WALL
>I HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH MY OPPONENT BY 15 MINUTES
unironic skill issue
if RTS stresses you out, stick to city builders

>>714213753
>labeling the best competitive strategy game to have yet existed a "party game"

>>714230695
>Why does every civ use galleons?
I hate to break this to you, but if they tried to implement non-Eurocentric realism, half of the races would be non-viable beyond Feudal, and three would be removed completely. Undifferentiated sailing ships should be the least of your concern: Aztecs have mills, blacksmiths, and siege engines. The game is nearly as fictional as Starcraft.

>>714213607 (OP)
shitgaem

>>714225660
>>714234567
since no one posted it, here it is if you are still here.
https://files.catbox.moe/b7dk1p.pdf

>>714216619
>>play competitive game
>>people start competing for the best of their abilities
>WOOOW
>
>also, you can literally just make a lobby for noobs if you want a casual game, or just join a 4v4 map, play with friends, or just play the shitloads of campaigns the game has.
This for Starcraft 2.

>>714213607 (OP)
Have you tried not being a shitter?

>>714213607 (OP)
Always play RTS against bots and single player campaigns.
The multiplayer community is only meta sweats and they wonder why their genre is dead.

>>714223704
Campaign missions teach you some bad habits even as they improve your skills, so long as you remember to always be making vills you will be fine in multiplayer

>>714225660
get the fastest castle time you can and start making knights, that's literally all there is to it
also play franks

imagine hating on this

>>714213607 (OP)
Either git gud or play offline like me

>>714213607 (OP)
Over optimization is a problem with clicky games.

I don't understand the hate on build orders
if you are playing to win then you are naturally going to try and maximise efficiency and this will inevitably result in you doing something that matches the optimal build order for your strategy even if you have no idea what a build order even is
People are just writing shit down after they figure it out what is there to get mad about?

>>714247369
unlike fighting games

>>714241504
I hate the AI

>>714247424
The funniest part about shitters hating on builds is that outside of maps with massive separation, they don't matter at all beyond mid-feudal.

>>714247748
>I hate the AI
>I also hate multiplayer because it's too competitive!
>No, I don't want to play with friends. Any games are fun with friends!

>>714230695
>Why does India have knights?
They don't

>>714243538
>labeling the best competitive strategy game to have yet existed a "party game"
but this is an age of empires 2 thread

>>714233582
>ehh I've been playing AoE for almost 30 years...
Wait a minute, how do you play for so long but don't know something basic as that none of the indian civs having knights? In fact they never had one, even when they were a AoE 2 HD mod

>>714237334
It's interesting how you know about the "a art", but use the word "bait", which makes that sentence a very awkward construct.
That said, peak AoE2 is a LAN party with maximum players and nobody knowing about build orders. Remember how I said "LAN party". Welp, that's a party game for you.
YOU DUMB FUCKING ZOOMER RETARD

>>714239707
Three kingdoms was probably a last minute rugpull not to release them under chronicles.

>>714247187
I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking with that dome on the Byz one.

>>714230695
> Would prefer if they focused on making civs more unique.
I was under the impression AOE 4 is all about that. Like AOE 2 remake if civs were much more distinct

>>714233582
>All unique units.
This is an awful model for RP midwits unless you go all in on race differentiation like Starcraft.
Otherwise it's the same [ranged unit A (+1 armor)] versus [ranged unit B (+1 attack)], just dressed up with superficial bullshit. No bro, it's not a *paladin* with bonus damage, it's a *savar*! Totally different!

>>714237554
People are paying for build order spreadsheets?

>>714246378
different anon here, thank you

>>714247424
>People are just writing shit down after they figure it out what is there to get mad about?
Most people don't figure shit out though

>>714247818
>they don't matter at all beyond mid-feudal.
They don't matter when the game is basically decided? Wow, what an insight, anon.

>>714250350
>xir games are over before contact with the opponent
lmao

>>714213607 (OP)
>REEEEEEE I AM BAD AT THE GAME
git gud

take the fatslob pill
>black forest only
>spam walls
>win by attrition

>>714213997
Why does it look worse than the 20 year old game even on the highest graphics setting though? Also it's still not fun

>play online videogame
>it's all either MLG pro wannabe guide consooming meta fags or "dude chill it's just a game lmao don't take it so srsly lemme hit the bong rq xdd"
it's so tiresome

>>714247424
YWNCUWBOAOKOTBOGN
You will never come up with build orders and only know of them because of Google, nigger

>>714222449
Just played Yodit's campaign for four fucking hours, and I still haven't won. Being a noob sucks so fucking much. I sent 500 gold for God knows where in order to get three fucking rams that died by the second assault because I didn't have material to fix them anymore. This is just pure pain T_T

>>714250228
no problem :)

>>714250902
>People are just writing shit down after they figure it out
you mean 2 guys wrote shit down and the rest google "aoe2 best build order"

>>714250409
>getting to Feudal before contact with the opponent

>>714247424
>you are naturally going to try and maximise efficiency

>>714223704
well good aoe players are like playing against extreme AI in skirmish, the campaign is always "hard" at worst.

>>714213607 (OP)
That's been every RTS for like 10 years now. It's a solved genre, thank SC2 for that.

>>714213607 (OP)
>EVERYONE IS A FUCKING 20 SOMETHING YO RETARD FOLLOWING SPREADSHEET BUILD ORDERS
congrats, in the process of your spergout you've discovered why the RTS genre died at the same time high speed internet became widely available. fun strategy multiplayer experiences and broadband internet are mutually exclusive.

>>714213607 (OP)
>IN 15 MINUTES THERE ARE ARCHERS IN MY LUMBERJACK
What really ruins RTS is how long the game are. I don't want to spend 30 minutes in a single game.

>>714252361
>I don't want to spend 30 minutes in a single game
Can't tell if you're a zoomer with a fried attention span or an adult with responsibilities and things that you have to do

>>714252474
It's the latter, but that doesn't change the stupid fact that you spend most of your time in an RTS game doing the exact same shit you did the last game. 15 minutes of boring tedious build order execution before the game actually starts.

>>714252670
That's justified, nobody wants to spend their limited free time basically doing the setup for a match that you might get beaten or beat the other player in less time than it took to get the game moving

The problem with APM is not just clicking fast like a spastic, it's having to make the camera to different locations every second

>>714252361
that's just a AoE thing. But you can play some fast start presets

>>714252670
doing that initial setup in the lowest amount of time possible is the only way to break the stalemates caused by players being fags/cheaters and looking up build orders and strats. every RTS game that tries to cut out that middle man and move the objectives onto the map like company of heroes or dawn of war ends up flopping. the only way to successfully cut those out and still have a game is to make a MOBA, which is honestly just another dead genre.

>>714252361
Lame his sheep and boar for a resign in under 5 minutes.

>>714217784
Been that way ever since I was a child. I'm a turtler at heart, but game metas always revolve around rushing and lightning-quick build orders.

>>714253232
You're just throwing words around trying to sound smart at this point. I don't want to wait 15 minutes to play a game. That's all.

>>714250057
>Otherwise it's the same [ranged unit A (+1 armor)] versus [ranged unit B (+1 attack)], just dressed up with superficial bullshit.
You make it sound like this would be a bad thing. Even entirely cosmetic changes would go a long way to giving each civ are a more unique feel. Like hulks or war junks/barges that function the same as a galleon. And maybe middle-east civs get an arab-looking heavy cavalry unit to replace knights. Or a scimitar-wielding dude to replace the militia line. They're already doing it with castles and priests. To this day it makes me sperg out seeing Aztecs comes at me with European footmen.

I think it's stupid that you can trade with yourself for gold in AoM.
Also, I wish trading posts and home cities were a thing in AoE2. I don't care if you hate me.

>>714256354
shame there are not more neutral npc, factions etc in RTS games. Many turn based strategy games have it (e.g. Age of Wonders)

>>714248012
>>714248548
Yea my bad. I haven't played the Indians yet. I just assumed everyone had knights if the Japanese & Mongols had them. The one example I picked was a dud lol. Only just been getting back into age2 on my ps5

>>714213607 (OP)
Anon, me and my friends used to play this game in the computer lab in 2010 and even back then it was like this. 2 guys played ranked and knew build orders. The rest of just wanted to build bases and fight but we’d get wiped within 20 minutes. When I played Stronghold 2 it was quite common for players to agree to a “peace time” period to avoid rushes, and it helped quite a bit. In AoE2 it probably wouldn’t make a difference because so much advantage comes from knowing the optimal build orders and technology trees.

>>714256354
nope i won't hate you because little ideas like this can keep this genre alive or bring new ways to play,
like it was with the empire wars mode or my beloved black forrest map(before they added lakes to it),
this could be a good opportunity for a new game mode but it would also require work and balance due some civs having better eco bonuses than others alone with trade which people underestimate

>>714213753
Playing with friends sucked balls because there was no ELO matchmaking in place.

>>714256508
Yea I feel like half these new filler civs could have just been neutral factions to give the maps more flavor. Build a trading post, purchase mercenaries and always have somewhere to send carts if you don't have an ally.

>>714213607 (OP)
Aoe 2 has always been the more mirco intensive game. Go play aoe 3, red alert 2 or tiberian war if you just wanna dick around.

>>714241273
Rise of Nations is my favorite RTS of all time but also one of the only ones I have never played on multiplayer.

my only complaint with aoe2 was adding the 3chinkdoms.

>>714257042
Yea home cities really gave AoE3 a lot of character and staying power. I enjoyed earning new shipment cards and fighting stronger AI as I levelled up my home city. Watching Jack the Ripper prowl around London was kino.

Post meta strategies...

Archers on lumberjacks.exe

>>714250618
Where Vikings only?

I believe in Tartaria!

>>714213607 (OP)
>They're following a spreadsheet
How are you losing a game in feudal age?

Call me whatvyou wnat but this is one of my fav strategies.

Walls and towers on everything!
>castle
Wrap it around a wall and some towers
>barracks
Wrap it around a wall and some towers
>lumber post
Wrap it around a wall and some towers
>sheep
Wrap it around a wall and some towers
>ally town center
Wrap it around a wall and some towers

>>714247834
>posts a pic of a game, that was known for having 90% of its playerbase only playing it for the singleplayer campaign

you literally cant have a successful RTS unless it has good singleplayer content

>>714259061
My man. Love me towers, walls, gates & castles. Hate siege engines. Simple as.

>Anon learned that teenagers have a lot of time

sucks, but that's life

>>714260551
is there a handcannoneer one?

>>714260596
close enough to

>>714213607 (OP)
I only play the campaign. I'm not very good so I always play super defensively and have had 8 hour long single missions. Still very satisfying to win.

>>714260492
Petard, sexo!

>>714237334
>still desperately trying to force "le bait" zoomer meme
Just say trolling, you pathetic coward.

competitive esports faggots are like women
they come in, are the minority of players, demand changes that benefit them and are still not satisfied

>>714213607 (OP)
Why don’t you learn the game? I mean, what did you try to do to win? Just wing it? When the game starts, what are you trying to do? What is your plan to win in any given game?

>>714250927
An army of rams? How quaint.

>>714213753
AoE2 is so fucking fun on custom maps with random people. But yeah. Playing with try hards is a pain. The game feels more like it was meant for 4v4 humans vs cpu or 2 c 6.

>>714261815
>infantry powered by racism
I will now buy your game.

>>714219435
Blizzard games are not good and the designs are basically stolen from Warhammer. Its that simple.
>But what about Diablo??
Blizzard didn't even make that.
>And World of Warcraft??
Yikes...
>Overwatch??
Lol.

>>714261604
Keep 'em coming

>>714222309
I love the game but I will say new civs should be free. Only campaigns should cost anything (and even then the campaigns should be free but we don't live in the 2000s anymore)

>>714262000
there are very few left

that's all i found

What would be the RTS equivalent of yellow paint?

>>714262887
a narrator or helper voice telling you how to play the game, and a bunch of bright target boxes/circles on the battlefield to alert you about locations or actions or objectives etc.

>I can't win
ok

>>714259061
i noticed as a turtlefag that if you put towers next to walls then battering rams can hit them through the wall so i always put them one grid behind

>>714263230
So basically what World in Conflict did?

>>714263319
armies are always better than towers
stockpile stone, then, when everyone else is spamming castles, sell your stone for trillions.

>>714263503
almost every RTS does it to some degree.
i'm inclined to believe the modern person is actually quite retarded.

I love AoE3. I was hoping the definitive edition would add a camera grip for precise movements, but since they didn't, I've just stuck to the originals and WASD camera. Building walls is fun. It's a shame no city builders feel as good defense-wise. Anno 1701's combat was so barebones they might as well have excluded it entirely.

for me it's the Normans

Don't the new infantry changes help MAA shut down early Archers?

>>714261657
misses
>exclusively friends with siege weapons

>>714264636
Nah, archers still counter MAA
The issue was that they were over-countered, like just one archer could shut down 4 MAA with some micro because MAA couldn't catch up to them at all due to their slower speed

Currently MAA are good for bringing in a couple to harass the opponent or even several if you are playing with an infantry civ with some bonus on them and the opponent isn't going full archers

>>714263693
>It's a shame no city builders feel as good defense-wise.
Stronghold is kind of a half city builder half rts and absolutely has the best feeling defense

>>714263693
>always default to treating the RTS like a City Builder
>make whole neighborhoods and districts in my base
>ignore the warfare outside of my big, beautiful, wall
It's a simple life

>>714241273
>Muh played for fun
>We've come to the conclusion that it's just a race to trebuchets and stopped playing
This is why "playing casually just for fun" is a meme. You will always find something that your rookie mind considers to be broken and that will make the game feel less fun for you if you are both trying to win

Meanwhile if you familiarize yourself with the game's design and balance you will find out about a bunch of counterplays and viable tactics to deal with these kind of strategies, which actually makes your gameplay a lot more engaging and fun

>>714241030
infantry will never be viable unless they severely nerf mangonels

>>714241273
>but ultimately came to the conclusion that it was a race to trebuchets.
So change your tactics or play something else. You clearly identified the problem yet refuse to solve it. You're not a robot. Humans can and often do put limits on themselves.

How long until modern AI is incorporated into RTS games so we can play against bots that you'll never be able to predict?

>>714266938
>modern AI
never

>>714266938
>The warning about my economy being raided is interesting, but not concerning.

>>714213607 (OP)
All competitive multiplayer games in the past 15 years or so have been killed by metashitters, people who play games solely for meaningless ranking points and will copypaste strategies, follow tierlists blindly, push for esports, etc. This is the era of netdeckers. The only point where you can play most multiplayer games for fun now is like up to 2-3 months after release. Bringing AoE2 back would only cause it to go through that sooner or later.

>>714241030
While I wouldn't mind a bit of further buff to late feudal and castle age militia since they are still hardly ever used there, there is a reason why the devs don't want to make them AS viable as the other options.
Basically the devs just don't want infantry spam to be viable. Knight spam is okay because you can still cause them huge harm with some cheap pikes or some monks, this forces the knight player to play really tactically with them, constantly maneuver between pikes or snipe monks. Infantry spam on the other hand usually plays like this: you put the waypoints of your barracks to where the enemy is and flood them with units, literally just trying to overwhelm them with numbers. That's just not that fun to play or play against.

They should probably make them specialize in anti-spear/skirm or at least just anti-skirm role more, like give them a cheap castle age tech that increases their bonus damage specifically against skirms. Skirms are kind of too dominant in competitive play anyway. Currently militia are only good at countering them very late game with full uogrades, but they should be able to reliably counter them even midgame. That would give militia a good tactical role while you could still use them to just enemy/building harassment stuff

>>714258052
>23 pop 2 range archers
i miss the good ol days...

>>714267419
Or you can just chose to not play the competitive 1v1 ladder but play casual lobbies or large team games

Every person complaining about competitive players using the game's mechanics and balance to win are certified retards

>>714265778
>>714263693
I have the opposite problem where I love production-chain focused games like Anno but the forced, tacked on combat sucks.
The Pharaoh games do it okay (especially Zeus), where it isn't really a big thing.

is AoE4 good if I just want to play campaigns? does it even get new content or is it abandonware?

>>714268906
It's okay
The campaigns have more cinematic stuff but their level designs are not as interesting as AoE2 campaigns. The game is still getting updates and has a pretty active playerbase, pretty much 2/3 the size of aoe2's.

>>714213607 (OP)
RTS games are worth playing with your friends. If you play online in any other way, you're competing with the no life e-sports players. Even back in the day, AOEII had that problem.

>>714257947
>>714258052
rts niggas be like ''why is our genre dying'' and then the entire online play is autistic shit like this

>>714268906
The devs still support it, albeit nowhere near as much as 2. It recently got a new DLC that added a couple more factions. The campaigns are ok, I would never call it a bad game but it isn't a great one either unfortunately. It is mostly just very redundant with 2 since it is essentially the same setting and factions, and feels like a mix between AoE3's gameplay and Company of Heroes.

>>714272479
>redundant with 2 since it is essentially the same setting
Remember this?

>>714272479
Setting AoE4 so close to 2 was the problem. Too much overlap. I do like that they just add "alternative" civs though, It makes it clear that they're effectively the same with minor differences.

>>714273138
AoE4 as their take on C&C would have been kino.
AoE5 is basically Halo Wars.

>>714273138
It would have been so cool if AoE4 had been WWI, WWII, Vietnam/Cold War, and modern as the different ages. I feel like they would have nailed it and Company of Heroes would have had some actual competition.

>>714273138
>>714273835
Modern times doesn't work with aoe's gameplay and nobody wants aoe to just be CoH

>>714274235
I do just not nuaoe

>>714274191
What are the teams
>United States
>Great Britain
>France
>Soviet Union
>Imperial Japan
>Ottoman Empire
>Austria-Hungary
>Democratic Republic of Vietnam
>People's Republic of China
>German Empire (also Nazi Germany variant for kino)

>>714266385
>>714266580
>spend 20 games getting stomped trying to counter my friend's cheap tactics
>or
>play a new and interesting game that we haven't figured out yet

>>714274507
The fuck does that mean
If aoe4 was just an aoe titled CoH that would be the farthest thing away from classic aoe

>>714274726
it means you're a faggot and im not expounding lulzzzzz

>>714274704
Tell your friend to stop being a cheap bastard. Use your words anon. Punch him if you have to. Either everybody has fun or you take your ball and go home, we learn this as kids.

>>714274704
Or, just look up in a minute how to counter a certain strat that's giving you a headache
Nothing against trying out different games, but digging a bit deeper into the better ones can also worth it rather than just experiencing everything on a surface level

>>714214091
>playing teams in LAN party
>player on enemy team is way better than the rest, but relies on market trade with weak teammate to fight 3 players by himself
>build up 30 paladins and permanently cripple the trade
>instant salt across the room
The power level imbalance keeps things interesting

>>714274917
Are you retarded or friendless? We were both using cheesebuchets and both stopped playing because they were all we were doing because they were so busted.
>>714275036
>look up strats online and cheat!
>oh but also you should explore the mechanical depths to figure out the game
kys

>>714274191
I always thought about it, that you start in medieval age and move towards tanks and stuff like a condensed Empire Earth. Which honestly sounds kinda bad.
Going from the early age of tanks and warplanes to modern artillery and drones would be really cool.

>>714213607 (OP)
They could easily fix it for casual/employed play by making a mode where combat units and villagers pass through each other and only villagers and buildings can fight villagers.
Turn it from genocide simulator back into honorable medieval warfare.

>>714213607 (OP)
Play with me, I dont know what any race does, I know literally 3 hotkeys, CTRL group 1 E house H center. And I find these games vs CPU hard modes really difficult

>>714275787
>look up strats online and cheat!
>oh but also you should explore the mechanical depths to figure out the game
what the fuck are you talking about
If you don't understand something about a game then you look it up. Your action was literally abandoning the game because you thought shit is just broken and boring because of it. If you yourself don't have the will to figure shit out by yourself then don't blame others for suggesting you to look up some tutorial in a highly complex game

>>714213607 (OP)
>im in ur base killin ur d00dz
skill issue

>>714277075
I'll play with yu

>>714221074
Not stellar blade because it has no depth

>>714277238
This was decades ago, anon, when the only people who looked shit up online were fags and niggers, you niggerfaggot. Unless we're talking about San Andreas cheats. Literally everybody did that.

>>714274191
How would that work? How do you take WWI, one of the largest conflicts in modern history, and reduce it to a ten minute start up stage where you pick berries and maybe send a few doughboys to harass the other guy's village. When you think about it, there's no way to pull it off without changing it so much it's no longer AoE.

>>714278161
the obvious way would be to make it like rise of nations - you start in berry picking age and go all the way to 20th century/nationalism age

>>714261985
Teitonic knight master race.

>cannon towers
>cannon Ships
>cheap farms
>the true and only Teutonic knight.

>>714278312
Somehow you managed to invent an even dumber suggestion. What is wrong with you?

>>714266012
Me too l, somehow good city planning inside a double fortified wall tingles my autism receptors the right way...

>>714266980
Ai will mostly find the broken way to play the game, in ways that are no longer fun.

>>714275787
>cheat
retard

>>714213607 (OP)
>people are better than me!!
ok

>>714213607 (OP)
>1999
>Be 15 years old
>my only 3 friend also play AoE2
>we talks for days trying to coordinate a lan party
>we end up meeting early one weekend to one my friend place
>only room where 4 computer (old bulky pc with crt monitors) is the garage
>spend the entirety of the day getting the machine into his house
>power cables, tables, chairs, dribks snacks, lots of logistics for a bunch of kids
>after the setup we realized we do not know how to set a LAN party
>not enough cables to daisy chain all computers
>no online tutorials, just good old fashioned problem solving task messing around windows settings
>end up hooking up all computer to two dial-up modems and then use the modems to create a network
>finally LAN time
>the most fun we ever had playing AoE2 in my life
>the stupid jokes
>the inside reference and constant shit talk among ourselfs.
>we were very silly and yet have a blast
>played til late hours of the night
>the next day we play again, and again.
>eventually we had to dismantle the whole thing
>we never had lan parties again becuse it was too tedious and time consuming to move the pc and monitors from one place to another.
>eventually we just did console gaming becuse of it practicality
>good times
>I still have my original CD

>>714279478
>Bro no one uses that 85% of all units they're not meta

>>714249764
?
Mosques have domes
Byzantine is a muslim civilization

>>714281768
ur mum is a muslim civilisation

>>714213607 (OP)
People were doing this back on msn gaming zone in 1999 you were just always bad.

>>714249764
>>714281768
niggas u fuckin stupid? domes were a popular thing in ancient rome. roman buildings in the eastern empire had them before the whole worship of the goat fucker.

>>714213607 (OP)
Play Starcraft 2 Coop if you don't want autistic meta minmaxing. Any PvP strategy game with any meaningful playerbase will eventually evolve into that, there’s no way around this.

>>714282272
Whitest American

>>714282253
Now look at any of the castles built by the Byzantines and tell me about dem domes.

>>714283071
the byzantines didnt even exist. they're retarded turks.

>>714284960
>1000 years of history just didn't happen, ok?