do you guys like the ungoro crater

>>714223814 (OP)
I dunno how you get down there, when I originally went there, I found the edge and just kept jumping off little bits here and there to make my way down.

I died a few times, so I would just go further down before rezing, and repeat until I got down there and found a flight path.

>blizzshit shill thread
Back to your tranny general

Yeah it was alright. I remember watching E3 and they talked about a zelda reference there and getting a boomerang.

No, it's a shitty zone. Too many dangerous areas and many 60s that hunt lowbies

Real niggas farm quietly in blasted lands or WPL (far away from the main path)

Going in there when the weather is on high rain and storm is cozy

>>714223814 (OP)
i liked the colorful crystal cave

>>714223814 (OP)
i HATE ungoro. i'd rather be in any other zone, i will grind fucking azshara if i have to.

>Truth is, I know the way out of here, but until Larion will admit that I'm right, I'm staying right here!
the fuck was his problem

>>714223814 (OP)
I like yo momma's crater, if you catch my drift.

>>714223971
>I dunno how you get down there,
i got you

Nah i always skip
>60s farming devilsaur around the clock will one shot you if you go near them
>those elementals that slow you by 70% makes any class that can't remove magic a cunt to play
>one of the smallest and tightly clustered zones with too many mobs and too many players
Im a tanaris/epl/hinterlands enjoyer myself

>>714223814 (OP)
THE DEVILSAUR MAFIA

>>714223814 (OP)
Un'goro Crater is my go-to example of a "mixed bag" zone. It was cool, but suffered from some terrible logistics.
>Only town and flight path is in the far north
>Only graveyard is in the far south
>Town had useless guards - maybe none at all, i forget now - and the zone was high-enough level that players trying to quest were worth honor points for lvl 60s (this combined with the first two points made it a prime griefing location)
>Zone is on the southern edge of the continent yet the flight path doesn't directly connect to any zones north of it (at least for Alliance)
Despite all that, it has some really great and memorable aspects. It had a good mix of environments between the marsh, the tar pits, the lake/hot springs, fire plume ridge, the silithid hives, and even a gorilla cave. The devilsaurs added a unique sense of danger to the place, especially in 2004 when draw distances were so short the devilsaur wouldn't render until it was like 40 yards away. The color crystals weren't very important, but they were a neat idea and added some nice flavor to the zone.

I like when the rain becomes so heavy that you can barely see in front of you
It’s a shame they removed things that made it atmospheric in retail

very comfy zone for leveling, good quest density, as long as you don't get buttfucked by a devilsaur it should be smooth sailing
if it's too populated ofc you go somewhere else though
This is my experience on Turtle WoW though

>>714223814 (OP)
So much Rich Thorium Ore

>>714225659
Using a private server you can make it rain on command

Im not crazy about it but if you have skinning its sort of required

>>714223814 (OP)
No it fucking sucks.

>>714223814 (OP)
It was one of my favorite zones during vanilla era along with Feralas, Red Ridge Mountains, Thousand Needles and Swamp of Sorrows.

I miss being young, having friends and not so many responsabilities

>>714223814 (OP)
For some reason, I chiefly remember it for being the one and only area you can get through entirely unscathed as a lvl 1 on the way to Silithus. Normally mobs aggro at you from the edge of the draw distance, but the river is conveniently empty.

>>714229172
i think the aggro distance is also scaled down due to devilsaur sizes, they're so huge they are almost as big as their entire aggro range.

>>714223814 (OP)
The Silithid lair in the south is underrated, there is a tough quest in there that shows the player how much of a threat these bug fuckers are, which leads well into Silithus/AQ.

>>714223814 (OP)
top5 worst classic zones ever

>>714228745
>I miss being young, having friends and not so many responsabilities
Yeah...

>>714227449
>rocket helms you and steals your skin

>>714229658
The quest where the goblin is like "oh fuck this is way more serious than I thought, go tell your leadership IMMEDIATELY" was pretty kino

WoW progression was a fucking full time job, if you didnt have responsAbilities before you fucking did now.

>>714223814 (OP)
yeah. thematically it's one of the most memorable zones in the game, and it has a decent number of quests for a late game zone. cool place.

>>714223814 (OP)
no

>>714225659
this. the rain there is awesome vibes. especially because it feels like you are truly so far from civilization it feels like an actual adventure. kalimidor is the best part of wow.

>>714231153
>Gadgetzan 5 minutes away
>sO fAr FrOm CiViLiZaTiOn!!! what an adveNture!!

My issue with it is that its so crowded by the time u run from a baddie u hit another. The quests are weirdly spread out too instead of a nice circle

>>714232884
>zoomers have no sense of abstraction
grim
also gadgetzan already feels like an outpost on the edge of civilization

not really, I prefer Felwood, Burning Steppes, and the Plaguelands.

Do you guys like Sholazar Basin?

>>714236832
this.
>>714232884
gadgetzan is pretty much an outpost in the desert after passing through a mostly deserted 1k needles and barrens/feralas. org and tb is far away and a long flight path journey back.
>>714237316
i did but howling fjord was my favorite.

>you have to forge part of the Scholomance skeleton key in the volcano in Un'goro
Yeah I bet the fucking Cult of the Damned didn't need to travel to a place nobody had fucking heard of on a continent nobody had fucking been to just to make their keys

The sense of scale and adventure might have gone out of the game but I do not miss bullshit filler like that

>>714223971
Brown discord post

>>714237316
its pretty good, i hate the shitty nesingwary part though.

>>714237316
>you have to choose between factions
>both are dumb baby talking imbeciles
>one side just wants to be left alone, the other side is going to genocide them just for existing because they're too bitchmade to fight the Scourge
>both had an annoying "buy this and wait for days and you might get a cool item" gimmick item but one had a mount
real glad opposing factions like this and the Scryers/Aldor went away after WotLK

>>714237316
Fuck no, there aren't even any dinosaurs

is this a stealth shartstone thread

>>714238150
bullshit it had a green devilsaur

>>714230126
I'm gonna go crank my hog to night elves thanks

>>714223814 (OP)
I do, I always liked to try and hunt the bigger dinos while they were red level as a hunter.

i really liked silithus, and when the worms became tameable for hunters.
never did get that cool bug mount though

It's got a great batch of quests for a couple of fast levels, and easy thorium farm just running laps around the edge. Devilsaurs are a fun hazard. Though the bottom left quarter with the elite stegosaurs is basically a complete waste of space, no idea what they were thinking with that place. 8/10 it's okay.

>>714223814 (OP)
Seeing all the wow streamers and wow audience transfer to OSRS is the craziest thing I have ever seen. You mazed retards are finally learning what an actual soulful MMO looks like for the first time in your lives

>>714239162
you're acting like osrs hasn't been pozzed to hell and back

>>714237341
Why would the cult members need to forge a skeleton key at all, retard

>>714239472
>why would the cult need a KEY for their LOCKED DOOR
I don't know shit for brains, you tell me
>buh buh buh skeleton means fake
It's literally made of bones because they're necromancers you fart huffing mongoloid

>>714239673
Why would they need a key when there's a secret door opening switch on the inside? They would just have the door guard who would have to inspect arrivals anyway open the door for them.

>>714223971
Just realized; is the wheelchair fucking floating?

>>714240203
Yes, it's a conjured wheelchair. It's why it's purple and half transparent, too.

>>714242227
So why does it need wheels if he can float everywhere?

for me it was thousand needles

>>714242854
otherwise its just a floating chair

>>714223814 (OP)
Felt like a proper scary place back playing Vanilla for the first time, one of those times I appreciated being a rogue.

>>714237316
Yeah
Titan stuff in WotLK was kino

>>714243290
That's what I'm saying, like if he can just sit on a chair and have it float around, why did it have to be a wheel chair and not something comfy or luxurious. Heck, why does he need a chair at all, can't he cast "float" or whatever on himself and fly like superman? This is all really bizarre to me.

>>714244385
i mean you could make the same argument about why they need straps or laces on their boots when they can just put them on with magic, or like a million other things

>>714223814 (OP)
I liked it solely because it was the sign I could soon switch to oulands & BC.
Having massive Alt-itis tend to lead to weird priority.

One thing I didn't like that much about Vanilla Wow, and maybe even more in BC, is there were too many deserts and intentionally "ugly" zones. Un'Goro is nice because it's actually appealing to look at. It's pretty. As you get up in levels, look at what your options are, like this anon posted. >>714236986 Two dead forests and Mordor. I'm not saying those are all bad in doses, but still.

>>714239162
This only happened in your head

>>714227636
I fucking hate how instead of having it locked behind a setting, they remove it. Same thing with them changing gender shit to body type 1 and 2 instead of setting those apart.

>>714245127
No, you could not make the same argument about boots. You have physical boots with physical laces, that need to be strapped.
He made a magical chair for himself to move around, because his spine was broken. Why did he add wheels to it, if it doesn't touch the ground?

>>714238682
The Black Qiraji mount was only for ultra nerds. I ain't farming all that shit.

>>714223814 (OP)
DUDE DINOSAURS

>>714229804
holy shit taste

>>714238013
>both had an annoying "buy this and wait for days and you might get a cool item" gimmick item but one had a mount
I have no idea why they did it this way. Most unbalanced 'pick one' option ever put into a video game. Literally everyone picked the guys with a mount.

>>714226756
GAY LUIGI

>>714226756
Luigi

>>714250235
because maybe it takes effort to make it float and he needs to let it be on the ground sometimes

>>714223971
>>714240203

>Conjure wheelchair
>None of the infrastructure or buildings are wheelchair accessible
>oh well, i'm a wizard
>floating wheelchair

it's not hard logic chuds

>>714223814 (OP)
too green

>>714223971
Kwheelghar
this is fucking retarded

>>714225209
>many 60s that hunt lowbies

>playing on a PvP server

I actually dont like un goro. Its interesting but I dont like leveling there. Too many mobs, you gotta evade elite devilsaurs, a lot of mobs etc. Its the only zone without a flying master which is weird. Desolace is another one I dont like leveling. It has an interesting lore but I wish they put more interesting stuff to uncover in desolace. I like that lone tower near the shore and the naga but I wish there was more lore, more environmental storytelling or whatever and more quests.

>>714223814 (OP)

Pain in the ass to navigate but fuck me if it isn't comfy as hell.

>>714237339
The bagpipe music was kino as fuck in Northrend questing zones.

>>714253587
music dept always carried wow even harder than art dept

Part of the magic of wow died for me in these high level zones because I realized they are all conveniently separated by mountains, it started to feel more theme parkish

>>714223814 (OP)
The only good thing about ungoro is being part of the local devilsaur mafia and grief plebs but that's schizo behavior

>>714250946
If the wheels aren't touching the ground, why have wheels at all.

if nothing else, this is the zone that kills pvp servers for you.

>>714253474
>Its the only zone without a flying master
what there's one for alliance and one for horde

>>714250946
Why does it have wheels? Why is he even in a chair? Why not just make himself float?

>>714230126
I know the guy who commissioned this

Not since they butchered my boy

>>714254718
is he a black lesbian now too?

>>714255182
He says 'townsfolk' or something instead of 'maidens', the gag about him mistaking the Belf for a woman is deleted, the whole overarching joke about him is gone

>>714254453
>Why is he even in a chair? Why not just make himself float?
because sitting is more comfortable than floating
>Why does it have wheels?
because otherwise its just a floating chair, which looks stupid

>>714223814 (OP)
My first reaction: UGH another jungle zone, fuck off

Hated how completely unnecessary it was
it had no uniqueness to it, we have seen dinosaurs in stranglethorn already

Might as well be all silithus after tanaris (which I suspect it was before some future-troon at blizzard decided two deserts is too "samey" and put this in between)

>>714256513
I dunno it's faily unique. It obv. looks and feels way different from STV besides it has dinos that weren't in STF like the Pterrordax for example. Mario and Zelda references were kino. Final quest on top of the volcano felt rewarding, fun boss fight. The crystal spires, which were relevant before BC, was an interesting gimmick which kept you going back, forcing faction vs faction open world PVP. Great zone 9/10 kys if you don't agree.

>>714256207
>sitting is more comfortable than floating
False
>a floating chair, which looks stupid
And somehow putting wheels in the floating chair makes it not look stupid.

>>714237316
>jungle zone
>in arctic
this is when you know wow has begun to brainrot

>>714253474
>Too many mob
skill issue
>you gotta evade elite devilsaurs
skill issue
>the only zone without a flying master
wrong wtf there's a flight master

>>714237316
Yes, but Grizzly Hills is the better zone in Wrath.

>>714256207
you'd rather sit on a chair that float in water? i love the feeling of weightlessness while diving and swimming

>>714256630
Crystal spires were never relevant until classic

>>714256913
Trolling or you seriously don't know?

>>714256630
>my mario references! wahoo!
yeah no
it's out of place stranglethorn-2

>>714257080
It's really nothing at all like Stranglethorn lmao kys
>There's Raptors
Yeah and there's also Trees so it's like Hinterlands and there's lava so it's like Burning Steppes and ... Yeah you're retarded.

>>714257165
not only raptors, it's a whole jungle zone lol
you sound hurt

>>714256951
You really think the handful people actually getting arcanum mats or using them as consumables count compared to everyone, their mum and their dog playing classic?

Same reason loti weren't popular compared to classic.

Top 5 worst zones.
1. Silithus
2. Thousand Needles
3. Azshara
4. Blasted Lands
5. Deathwind Gorge
aaaaaaaand thats pretty much it, the biggest problem is that most of these areas are uncooked. I kinda wanna add WPL too, but at least it has Scholomance and some kinda epic Q chains.

>>714257316
It's not even a jungle

>>714223814 (OP)
training mining was pretty chill there yeah

>>714223814 (OP)
Yeah Ungoro is when I feel like the leveling is ending. You still have to do zones after it but you get that feeling in Ungoro. Also it's fun to spin your camera around and see a fuckhuge tyrannosaurus coming up to jumpscare you.

>>714223814 (OP)
the aesthetic was tiresome after levelling through hinterlands and feralas but there's so much xp and monster density there and i'd rather kill gorillas and dinosaurs than slimes and wolves in felwood

>>714257385
>3. Azshara
I get why people hate it, the logistics is a nightmare but personally I think WoW lacked in autumn themed zones (besides westfall), and this was one of them

>>714256207
>which looks stupid

>2006
>sick, get a whole week off from school
>questing, grinding skinning through feralas

kino memory

>>714255341
for real? I always liked doing his quests because they were silly

>>714257393
it plays the jungle music (from stv)
so even the developers say its a jungle

>>714223814 (OP)
yeah it's alright, but 30-60 is an absolute slog to level through, awful grindy shit

>>714257569
There was just almost nothing to do there tho.
I know, its good spot for grinding and Azuregos is there with Hydraxians, but otherwise there's like 2 Quests for Horde. I love the zone but wish there was more to it.

>>714257750
no wait, it plays swamp music, nvm I forgot

>>714256867
he's not sitting in it to relax, he's trying to do the job of an archmage. would you be able to work on your laptop while floating in your pool? sitting is a more focused position when you're trying to work

>>714257759
Aw yeah I love those crystals.

>>714257759
blizzard was really lazy back when vanilla launched and a lot of the higher level zones weren't finished

>>714223814 (OP)
>do you guys like the ungoro crater

I kind of disliked Un'Goro Crater as a "video game zone", but I respected the hell out of it as an actual place in the "World of Warcraft". Un'goro's remoteness, the solitude, the strength and disparity of its' creatures, the natural formations/areas, the fucking rain:>>714225659 and the lack of humanoid habitation, really gave Un'Goro an authentic feel as just a "literal uninhabited fantasy jungle." I even liked the fact that it wasn't entirely obvious how to get into the place.

>>714223814 (OP)
easily one of the best zones in the game

>>714223814 (OP)
Never once in my life went in that area outside of going there for flight master.
It's cool to see dinosaurs when flying around on a griffon I guess.

>>714257385
Only issue with those zones is a lack of good questing. As in game locations they're fine.

>>714257385
the classic zones everybody hates almost directly correlate with the zones blizzard couldn't be assed to finish before shitting out the game
so basically your list plus desolace

>>714258309
it is cool to see these mysterious high level areas that are mostly empty, wondering what could be there in the future
the problem is they never fucking followed up on any of it in classic besides silithus, and the rest just rotted till cataclysm fucked em up and made em unrecognizable anyway
and in the modern day they don't even do these "preview zones", they just shit out a new magical place onto the world map which ruins the immersion completely

>>714253474
I genuinely don't know what they were thinking with Desolace. WoW already has so many deserts. Why did they want to make the ugliest, grayest, most barren desert possible?

>>714223971
You get there through tanaris

>>714258668
its the elephant graveyard area from lion king

>>714257569
Azshara was great thematically, and as a late game zone being difficult to navigate offset mounts a bit, keeping it from feeling smaller than even lower level areas
The problem is nothing to do. It was undercooked.
When people talk about Classic/Vanilla + they're talking about filling in some of those obviously under utilized zones. Maybe even going back to the more robust stuff and providing a little bit of in-demand resources to keep the entire world relevant/throw a bone to lower level players.
Azshara is among the best examples of low hanging fruit Blizzard could have capitalized on instead of stat inflating the game to death. Visually it was mostly well done. It wasn't like Silithis early on. It was obviously "done", they just didn't have nearly enough quests. And they never delivered any.
Instead they didn't just 'finish' Silithis, they actually put in quests and an entire raid. It's like they completely forgot about a zone people might like to actually want to spend time in in favor of yet-another-desert.

>>714258647
>the rest just rotted
I feel the most of the team really gave their best during 2001-2003 and burned out after that
the next expansions were made by some of the original hires but gradually were replaced by new blood

you could still feel the vanilla vibes in BC, but something already felt off and Wrath was completely off (for me)

>>714227449
*tames you*
nothin' personnel

thread for dead tranny games belong in >>>/vg/

>>714223814 (OP)
low lvl dungeon-only scrub but my last few memories of playing WoW before Cataclysm's release (and eventual quitting due to unsupported drivers) were in Tanaris and Un'Goro Crater.

I can't remember anything else from later expansions:
>TBC
Dungeons were a leap harder than Classic and I missed out on playing the endgame Classic ones because LFG takes you to TBC ones instead. Also flying mounts and descending upon unsuspecting Alliance players was fun, as well as Hellfire Peninsula's aesthetic. Finally was manually flying through all zones to reach the first hub city of Shattrath which was 100% empty and depressing to see.
>LotLK
Missing out on endgame TBC dungeons for the same gay reason with LFG mentioned above. Northrend and especially the first dungeon looking nothing like "Warcraft's original aesthetic" and Dalaran being PACKED with people. Also
>I'LL PAINT MY FACE WITH YOUR BLOOD
>I'VE RETURNED, ANOTHER CHANCE TO CARVE YOUR SKULL

>>714259119
>>714258668
They also needed some place remote for Rexxar to be roaming around, it also has Maraudon which is kino and centaurs have a somewhat important place in the lore

>>714259645
>Shattrath which was 100% empty and depressing to see.
Yeah that's normal, nobody likes Shat even in TBC.

my only critique of ungoro shatter is the time spent on it could have been spent on polishing other end zones like EPL and Winterspring

>>714259678
I just think the design of the area is really ugly. The centaurs literally had flies buzzing around them, too. The trash dump of Vanilla WoW.

>>714227529
Agreeded

>>714223971
what were they thinking

>>714259950
If I'm honest. One of my biggest critiques of Vanilla WoW is central and southern Kalimdor. Six variations of desert. One very unappealing looking swamp.

>>714259950
I dunno I appreciate it in a way because you need contrast. It borders Feralas, a green lush zone with vegetation and lots of life. You need that contrast of the grey, literal dead graveyard full of hyenas to appreciate the more lively zones. They could have done more with the rivalry between the two centaur clans, like all you got for choosing one clan over the other was a green quest reward item and some arrows.

>>714255341
christ almighty

>>714259726
Well obviously since I joined during LotLK days and I was already an expansion too late.
Just the feeling of reading the lore of a UN or NATO & Russia-in-the-Balkans-styled joint expedition sounded really kino, and it's the only chance (I didn't know about Dalaran) to see enemy faction players not in PvP, so it's a bit sad seeing it like that.
>>714258647
>it is cool to see these mysterious high level areas that are mostly empty, wondering what could be there in the future
As a newfag in my time you get spirited away to the expansions, and nobody stays behind to do them so you're all alone, thus these high level Classic areas are even more mysterious.

>>714245657
They probably intended for the high level zones to look as dangerous and desolate as possible. I see your point though. Personally, I liked Winterspring.

>>714260019
>women in bars walk off when I tell them I make videogames so we'll have to use our games to change the world

>>714223814 (OP)
No, is a shit zone just like Silithus

>>714260081
I dunno central Kalimdor has Mulgore which is the most kino zone, barring STV. Barrens is core obviously. Feralas is beautiful and also feels like a core WoW area with the night elf boat to Silvermoon Stronghold (taxis in an open world MMO was novel at the time). Dustwallow Marsh is nice, perfect setting for a dragon's lair such as Onyxia's. The only zone I agree is universally hateful would be Silithus, literal bug desert that no one liked and no one would have ever visited if not for AQ and Thunderfury quest line.

>>714237316
Yes because it was Un Goro but done right

>>714260365
kino factions

>>714223814 (OP)
My thoughts pretty much as well. >>714258248

>>714260365
For me it was Frenzyheart
>Why
They were cooler
>B-but mount
I didn't give a shit, I had the Flying Machine from Engineering, it was way more rad

>>714259141
I could see why they didn't touch azshara
it had questing, it was small but it was there - class quests, questlines, it was connected to the world
adding/expanding quests to it would mean a complete rework (in design) and it'd take a lot (of design)
where as Silithus was completely unconnected and empty and just laying there to be filled

>>714258238
Achchually they didnt even expect questing to be that popular. They expected people to just grind like in previous MMOs. Thats why finishing final zone´s quests was low on their priority list. Only after their massive popularity did they start to scramble to add more of then, but like always, temporary solution became permanent and some areas were left unfinished.

>>714260538
Imagine if instead of making TBC and Wrath and fucking the progression, they spent time fleshing out Silithus, Un'goro, EPL, Winterspring, Aszhara and Desolace.

>>714260678
This is true I read that book WoW Diary I think it was called, the author (leveldesigner, made Molten Core) explained how surprised they were to see players get so hooked on questing, they thought everyone would just grind.

>>714260365
>linear cinematic noob zone structure shitfest
kys expansion baby

>>714223814 (OP)
I enjoyed pre-cata version more, you had a few mystery quests

>>714257385
>3. Azshara
>worst zone
Opinion discarded

>>714260706
Turtle chads stay winning I guess

>>714260678
kinda funny that they considered adding the exhaustion debuff to force people to rest at inns or get -xp which would have nuked grinding

>>714260706
hopefully this is what they do with classic+ instead of adding le whacky wotlk/retail abilities
it would immensely improve the game given you run out of quests at like 54 too

>>714223814 (OP)
looks lik a niple haha

>>714259141
>being difficult to navigate offset mounts a bit
I don't really think that sort of effect happened. Azshara was difficult to navigate in the sense that if you jumped off a cliff it would take you half an hour to get back to where you were

>>714260881
Imagine being so coomerbrained that you think this looks like a sexual thing

>>714260081
On the other hand, that´s kind of the point. Not defending it from "am I having fun" perspective, just pointing out that central/southern Kalimdor was supposed to be desolate badlands. However in my opinion they did their best to break up the monotony: Barrens has oases, Thousand Needles is unique on its own, Feralas breaks up the desert-grind at 40 and Un´goro at 50.

>>714260784
Every zone was better pre-cata. There isn't a single vanilla zone that was actually improved in cata.

>>714260118
>They probably intended for the high level zones to look as dangerous and desolate as possible.
nah, they just had limited resources to create content so they copy pasted a few bears here and there and called it a day.
if they tried to release half empty zones nowadays they'd get publicly ridiculed.

>>714260365
>peaceful natives (with mount) or violent refugees (with fursuit)
gee what a choice

What level do most classes come alive at in MoP? The point where they feel unique and strong

>>714260802
ching-chong

>>714261256
After WotLK every class was designed exclusively with max level in mind

>>714261256
>The point where they feel unique and strong
that never happens in mop. mop was the every class has the same tools expac.

>>714259726
>Nobody liked Shattrath
Nah fuck off it was great
https://youtu.be/IAeEVZJY8s4

>>714261405
>tfw waiting for a group and just chilling out watching people auto run off the lifts

I did. It's a very calm zone and a nice big circle which makes my brain happy.

>>714250946
>conjure wheelchair
>it could have been anything else but it HAS to be a wheelchair for "representation" and pushing the co descending lie that disabled people can do anything
>not a single person believes this, everyone is just collectively pretending because to do otherwise is wrongthink
>the flying wheelchair is ridiculous and cringe and hurts the tone of the setting
There, that's the logic.

>>714260856
>hopefully
>classic

>>714261625
Peak comfy

>>714223814 (OP)
it's the yamcha crater, actually,

>>714260081
not surprising. if not check some (very) old design maps. Kalimdor is really tiny, maybe half the size of EK, if that. All the southern parts were hastily tacked on within last year before release

>>714260819
Designers 'consider' all sorts of things. Doesn't mean much of it was very serious. Sure, it's all regarded seriously, but many considerations are only considered briefly before being thrown out.

Think of it from the other side, with design by committee like Ubishit. "Our games must be open world with XX proportion of POIs, a leveled/gear progression system, etc". Including things as a matter of course is just as poisonous to design as excluding things as a matter of course. All sorts of things should be on the table when designing, neither should any of it be granted as part of a design necessarily.

I like it. Been farming devilsaurs there as a lvl54 mage on classic launch.

>>714262069
i can dream

>>714223814 (OP)
>JOURNEY TO UN'GORO

>>714260678
>>714258238
it's just crazy how hard the game hits a brick wall in the mid 30s, at 40 you're basically just afking with killing enemies because there aren't any quests left to pad it out, all the way to 60

>>714263709
You're just expected to grind and run dungeons. It's old school MMO design

i think 30-40 is the worst level range, followed by 40-50 so i fucking love ungoro and searing gorge. those two areas have so many easy quests and you can finish all in 1-2 runs through the area without too much travelling. my two favs

>>714264184
the early 30s have a pretty decent array of quests. It's the 38-46 zone part that's suicide inducing

>>714264048
yeah, the worst part of the game. up to 30 is a really enjoyable experience

>>714264184
STV has a lot of quests in that range and you have thousand needles for early levels, plus Scarlet Monastary and RFK. But badlands, arathi, and desolace were more sparse on quests.

>>714264740
stv only has quests if you're not playing on a pvp server, and even then they're mostly shit
during first wow classic i had to abandon stv as alliance because of all the spawn camping, and grind mobs on the horde side

>>714263709
how it feels at the endgame is also how the development went it seems

at the beginning they were a tight team of dudebros doing thangs and eating pizza
at the end it was a faceless corporate machine with nearly hundred of people

yeah I always felt like 40-50 is the roughest stretch in original vanilla for leveling. 50-60 might be longer but you can just focus on dungeon grinding once you're in the mid 50s for gear

>>714263709
I dont remember grinding as Horde at all, maybe doing couple dungeons multiple times but that´s it. Played almost 10 years ago though, so some of these might be slightly incorrect but general gist of having enough to do is there
>40-47 Badlands, Tanaris, Feralas, Searing Gorge + Zul´Farrak
>48-51 Hinterlands, Felwood + Jintha'Alor
>52-53 Un´goro, Burning Steppes + BRD
>54-56 Winterspring, Plaguelands
>57-60 Eastern Plaguelands, Silithus, dungeons

>>714265149
if only dungeons/raids were fun to play, at 60 i quit the game after getting my upgraded mount

>>714264048
>It's old school MMO design
lol they ran out of content and shipped it unfinished.

>>714265268
might be different for horde, but i just loathe dungeons so i barely did any at all making grinding an even bigger part

>>714265339
That might be it. Between 40 and 60 the dungeons are worth a good 2-3 levels if you do all the quests. 3 levels worth of exp means tons of grinding.

>>714261405
Feels like it was meant for Diablo.

>>714223814 (OP)
Best zone to corpse camp people in.

>>714257913
The only thing I remember from that zone is a rogue quest for a cape to reduce fall damage. It was very useful in battlegrounds.

>>714223814 (OP)
What do they eat?

>>714265654
why

>>714243838
It's a crime how much atmosphere a concept art can convey versus whatever the fuck the end result is supposed to be.

>>714237316
The memory of farming Saronite on my shitty gryphon with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bFof6GeW1Q playing in the background will never leave my brain.

>>714265287
Same
Shame retail couldn't get its gold sinks in order before the game went to shit in other ways.
I like money grinding, playing auctions and the like because there's always a different gig, and it changes with the markets, where dungeons are just static (though they can sometimes play into the economy). But without a functional economy its just making numbers go up. Wait, and the same shit you would sell today will inflate to absurdity on the proverbial tomorrow.

WoW Tokens helped in this capacity, but even with them it doesn't help Classic. At least early classic. No idea where things sand with Cata/MoP. Game needs other gold sinks to make the token exchange really pull gold out of circulation.

>>714227449
>make cool mechanics on a restricted supply
>"haha it will be so cool when every player has a fair shot at something rare"
>buch of autists for a mafia
Same with world bosses. Ruined vanilla for me.

>>714257385
thousand needles is pretty cool tho

I'll always be mad that draenei are stuck in blizzards claws

>>714250235
>Literally everyone picked the guys with a mount.
I didn't initially because I didn't know the other had the mount.
I hit exalted with them and got the shitty toy that transforms you into the little wolvar form or whatever before swapping to the other, grinding THEM to exalted, and then never seeing the mount for weeks before giving up

>>714257685
wtf this actually happened to me too

>>714266758
It makes more sense when you realize wow is a CIA funded project created to analyze the human condition. Same reason other bizarre decisions like non shared quest drops, last in - first out auction house, limited lotuses existing at the same time, the rank system and other seemingly stupid decisions made it into the game

>>714260081
i like the swamp

>>714257385
Those were all cool, at worse they were in-betweeners, at best like Azshara they were far-off exotic zones that you would go there only if you wanted to (I wanted to).

>>714258416
corpos forced them to release the game in it's current state under threat of axing the entire project

>>714266797
>>714267141
Dont get me wrong, i love all areas in this game. Azshara just needed more help with quests. There's like Naga ruins in the coast with nothing to do. They could develope the area and make so many cool quests there.
Thousand Needles is so good area, but overall its on the weaker of the zones in the game.

>>714267236
Blizzard always had a publisher, yes.

>>714263709
i never understand why everyone say 30s. for me it dies in the mid 40s

>>714267121
I always figured call of duty trained kids how to use guns myself included, I could operate most weapons I never laid a hand on, isn't that fucked up?

>>714267398
If they ever do classic+ and don't fuck it up I hope Aszhara gets more quests, such an underutilised zone.

>>714265268
People exagerate it a little, it's the late 30's and low 40s that slow down but it picks up again once you can do Tanaris and Hinterlands

>>714260801
Best looking zone but there is fuckall to do there, which is a shame.

>>714223814 (OP)
It was actually my favorite Vanilla zone even though it barely had enough quests

>>714255341
"Town dwellers" is the exact mangled phrase.

>>714267426
Because at 30 the game turns into "do two quests here, now walk across the entire fucking world and do two quests there, repeat". Or alternatively you can spam SM a gorillion fucking times, pick your poison.

>>714265268
>badlands
>feralas(later half)
>felwood
this is where i start to burn out. sometimes doing searing gorge feels like a chore too

>>714267519
not anymore fucked up than people acing their truck exam thanks to euro truck simulator, or forklift sim or flight sim
wasn't there a VR game where you could disassemble real guns or something?

>>714268240
The later half of Feralas was fine if you were Alliance, as the first half is entirely blocked off to you so it's basically like the beginning of the zone and the quests are somewhat centralized. Felwood can suck a massive dong though, whomever thought of putting the fucking FP at the extreme north end of the zone but spreading all the quests throughout the entire fucking thing needs to have their head examined.

>>714265896
each other

>>714223814 (OP)
Is there a way to play WoW in singleplayer?

>>714268225
wanna know a secret? by level 30 in vanilla you were meant to have joined a guild and be doing group levelling with other players, maybe some dungeons, or a little bit of just inviting anyone else in the zone.
you then talk to them while doing mass murder across a zone, finishing quests 3 levels above you, because even if you all miss 1/3rd of your attacks, theres still enough of you to heal up, or swap out aggro.

>>714268969
play retail, its basically a single player game until you hit raids.

>>714269074
>finishing quests 3 levels above you
They had the nerve to punish XP gains depending on when you turned the quest in. Completing higher-level quests usually gave you less exp than if you completed them around a more appropriate level.

>>714268969
if you ignore most of the endgame its pretty easy to play it like a single player game

>>714223971
Blizzcucks are living a never ending humiliation ritual, now go back to watching your e celebs

>crater
>has a giant mountain in the middle
Does Blizzard know what a crater is?

>>714223814 (OP)
Not really but I do like bringing civilization to Kalimdor.

>>714269195
mate, you didn't do it to be quicker, you did it as an excuse to chat with your internet friends while still progressing your character.

>>714269272
some craters have remains of the thing that hit in the middle, and in that crater its an entire dungeon cave full of lavamen and hellspawn.

>>714265149
40-50 is by far the worst. Few dungeons are worth running for XP in this level range, the zones available to you are limited in their questing options, and by about level 44 the novelty of your slow mount has worn off. I spent alot of those levels just grinding, which is annoying for some but I find grinding somewhat meditative. Maximizing your efficiency while killing hundreds of turtles is strangely satisfying after a while. When you get to the point where you can confidently grind mobs until your HP/mana are down to 2% without breaking a sweat there is a kind of quiet mastery which is extremely satisfying

>>714244385
they have to do a checklist to get esg money

>>714244385
Blizzard development isn't really run by a lead anymore, it's been stated that it's very much a "democratic" process of deciding character designs, lore, messaging and so on. Now think about the people who actually work at Blizzard and "vote" on how the game is developed.
This process is how you get the most recent Mary Sue, a lesbian, butch, one-armed, one-eyed, bi-racial, black elf, inheritor of Arathor who is also a Paladin in pink who is the totally the greatest fighter in the land.

>>714256787
Nigga it's a fantasy game. Sholazar Basin's a literal Titan experiment kept temperate in the same way the Un'Goro Crater is is a Titan experiment.
Plus Sholazar Basin's just a giant reference to the Savage Land from Marvel comics, which is in Antarctica.

>>714269508
and 55-60 is just pure grinding, i had no quests left to do at all. took me like a week

>>714270228
There are a few quests but I don't feel like 55-60 is that bad because you can always just run BRD or something to grind it out, and since you're so close to 60 it makes things easier. Idk people complain about grinding but I don't think it's so bad. I found it was often better xp to just grind than it was to do an annoying quest

>>714270446
i hate dungeons so i only had grinding as an option, i was in that small snowy area in the horde island (damn i forget every name now) killing hundreds of yetis

>>714260121
they walk off because they're ugly balding manlets with small penises, no charisma and a severe case of vulnerable narcissism

>>714270551
Winterspring?

>>714263709
But it doesn't happen in 1.12? Maybe if you skip all dungeons instead of running them once.

It did happen before because a lot of quest hubs were missing. Thorium Point, Revantusk Village (patch 1.5), Steamwheedle Port, Silithus (1.8). I think LHC also lacked stuff before Naxx patch. Plus various other quests that were added later. Class quests for example were added in 1.7-1.8.

Faerlina or Mankrik for MoP? Is there any difference other than world PVP being a thing. Is PVP as annoying as it sounds? More people are on Mankrik so I'm tempted to just choose that.

>>714270623
yeah that's it, comfy area

>>714270683
i only played classic, got bored in tbc and never reached 70

>>714223971
Yeah i had some soft fall spell so I just leapt in.
I loved exploring the world back then.

>>714256787
>he doesn't know
>laughing dinosaur.jpg

>>714269195
Character_Level <= Quest_Level + 5 : Quest_XP = (100 %) or Full_Quest_XP
Character_Level = Quest_Level + 6 : Quest_XP = ( 80 %) or ROUND(Full_Quest_XP * 0.8 / 5) * 5
Character_Level = Quest_Level + 7 : Quest_XP = ( 60 %) or ROUND(Full_Quest_XP * 0.6 / 5) * 5
Character_Level = Quest_Level + 8 : Quest_XP = ( 40 %) or ROUND(Full_Quest_XP * 0.4 / 5) * 5
Character_Level = Quest_Level + 9 : Quest_XP = ( 20 %) or ROUND(Full_Quest_XP * 0.2 / 5) * 5
Character_Level >= Quest_Level + 10 : Quest_XP = ( 10 %) or ROUND(Full_Quest_XP * 0.1 / 5) * 5

You need to be 6 levels higher to get hit with the punishment.

>>714270551
Winterspring isn't a bad zone, though I preferred grinding in EPL or silithus. I like spooky zones and that iconic tanaris theme

Desolace should have stayed desolate and they could have made Un'goro more tropical/flooded like Sholazar. Cata Ungoro wasn't anything special

>>714271175
silithus was such a pain in the ass, all those bugs

>>714271313
I did alot of solo grinding there post 60 in the elite bug tunnels. Same with the frost giants in Winterspring. Got a couple of world drops that sold for a pretty penny on top of the rich thorium nodes which dropped arcane crystals from time to time

>>714265268
>I dont remember grinding as Horde at all
Having played both sides of classic now, horde 100% has a better time leveling. If youre just questing you spend 55-60 constantly flying across the world because someone in darnassus wants you to collect 6 skeleton asses from EPL while a gnome in IF wants 15 ooze asses from felwood. You can either do those or just kill mobs for the last 4 bars of your level

>>714268969
it called retail

>>714271493
Do you remember when only Ironforge had an auction house and dungeons didn't have summoning stones? That first time traveling across the world for a single dungeon in enemy territory was so much fun.

>>714271681
thats why nobody liked to run mara and direm. way too far from everywhere

>>714271175
>Winterspring isn't a bad zone
Its such a nice looking zone with densely packed quests, that demon shit and the hidden hyjal portal, but the modern meta ends up ruining it with people grinding the mobs 40% of quests are about because warriors will pay 15g for 20 minutes of 35 attack power a .4% increase in dps

>>714272371
As a warrior main ill have you know that I desperately needed that 0.4% DPS increase as an Arms spec war I needed all the help I could get. I did all my consumes grinding myself, aside from potions so at least I wasn't supporting bots

>>714272371
>but the modern meta
>playing wow classic
ngmi

>>714272676
>As a warrior main ill have you know
As a shaman Ill have YOU know you should just farm frostmaul and winterfall eko for the 100 AP, significantly easier and cheaper to get despite being better. Anyone buying firewater is a retard at this point

>>714269074
>>714271607
That's WoW in general, Classic can also be played alone from level 1 to 60. It was one of the reasons why it was so succesful compared to other MMOs at the time, where classes weren't self-sufficient.

>>714273057
>implying I didn't grind both

You have no idea what it was like being a warrior in classic. If you weren't a 99% parser or at least attempting to be one you were gonna get harassed til the sun came up. Which is bizarre to me because even my trash tier two arms war running guild managed to clear AQ and kill 5/13 in naxx before attrition killed us

>>714265654
Some of the TBC score was actually meant for Diablo 3

https://youtu.be/XktoOkm_Cng?feature=shared

>>714273857
Vanilla will always be number one in my heart but TBC had some top tier music. Certain zones like Hellfire really did make you feel like you were on a shattered foreign planet and the Diablo style dungeon music was the cherry on top.

>>714274102
I personally despise the tbc music, not a single memorable track. Basically every track in vanilla is iconic, and wotlk has several memorable ones too. Tbc is just ambient background noise.

>>714273459
>Which is bizarre to me because even my trash tier two arms war running guild managed to clear AQ and kill 5/13 in naxx before attrition killed us
We ran a boomkin, an enh shaman and 6 hunters on AQ release then proceeded to one shot every boss except ouro. Classic nerfed the most difficult mechanics of vanilla raiding, a lack of information and dogshit hardware.

>>714274443
Right but that's what I like about it, it's ambient music but it's perfectly made to fit the overall theme of Outlands. It's the kind of music that can drone on for hours and you don't mind. People often cite the Grizzly Hills music and say it's really beautiful and I agree but I don't want to hear it for hours. Vanilla is the perfect mix between ambient and iconic.

>>714274102
That's because a lot of BC ost was made by Matt Uelmen, a diablo 2 composer
The Auchindoun tracks sound like they can be put in Diablo2 dungeons and no one would notice

>>714274443
I remember 3 TBC tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=basedbwtI1edE
(the best one)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNstdF54ypo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIL12ag6-8

>>714223814 (OP)
They could've had seven desert zones on kalimdor but instead we got this jungle cr*p

>>714274857
>(best one)
>video unavailable
thanks anon

>>714274857
The link for the first one got fucked up because it contains "söy" which was filtered into based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAME_nxccpM

>>714275046
heh

>>714275046
lmao that's fuckin funny

>>714275046

>>714273459
>>implying I didn't grind both
>You have no idea what it was like being a warrior in classic
If you were using both you were a double retard, they can both be applied at the same time but the AP doesnt stack. Firewaters main effect for whatever reason is the size increase. Applying the juju after only gives you +5 ap

>>714275046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhrxGCMzRL0
my personal favorite

>>714256207

>>714257759
This is why I don't bother with pre-Cata private servers. That and any class with a healing spec has a mediocre and/or boring DPS spec.

>>714275046
Kek

>>714274505
We also had a boomkin, totem twisting enh, and a number of hunters and other terrible classes. Classic raiding was a joke until you hit Ouro, C'thun, and the back half of naxx

>>714275328
>Firewaters main effect for whatever reason is the size increase.

That was the buff I really wanted. Combine with noggenfogger and you've got a dwarf sized skeleton slapping people around with Ashkandi

>>714227084
>Be an absolute newbie
>Fight myself through the barrens
>Reach the cliff elevator
>Thousand Needles in all its glory before me
It was so amazing backthen

Best use of firewater came in TBC as you could stack the size increase with spellsteal.

If only the game was f2p, paying monthly for this shit is insane to me

>>714276846
Private servers.

>>714276846
Because what classic really needs is more mexicans and sea mexicans

>>714276674
Based size fetish Chad.

I miss the WarcraftGrowth youtube channel. Guy used to make great videos.

>>714275046
BASED

>>714274443
I'm with you on this. With the possible exception of HFP and SMV I can't remember a single track from TBC

>>714245838
OSRS playing is a fad amongst WoW streamers now, it’s true

This place pissed me off cause I couldn't tame the dinosaurs as a hunter.
They are fucking animals. You should be allowed to tame them. There's no excuse Blizzard.

Now that Cata classic is almost over I'm going to say its a pretty good expansion
It doesnt deserve the bad reputation
Sure the DS raid is not as a good as the previous tiers but when it comes to gameplay, Cata is far more enjoyable for me than TBC or Wrath. The classes feel more polished and are actually fun to play

I'd say Cata, MoP and Legion are my favorite expansions. I can't go back to the TBC/Wrath clunky slow pace, the classes feel so boring in those exp

I can understand why people like Vanilla but its a whole different game. TBC and Wrath were good and enjoyable back when I was a teenager but they are nearly unplayable now.

https://youtu.be/F4--g3UM-7I?feature=shared

I just want the LoL MMO to come out of development hell, so I can finally have something to look forward to in this God-awful genre.
I'm tired of playing WoW and OSRS, and them being the only good games bros. It's been 20 years

>>714223971
I quit WoW at the start of WotLK. Why is Khadgar In a wheelchair?

>>714280440
too much bullshit for one man to handle

>>714280440
he got killed so hard that not even anduin rezzing him afterwards could fix him completely
the only reason he uses the chair instead of magicking himself a new spine is because his crush made it for him and he thinks its sweet

Nobody ever discusses Khadgar's original magickal plot point: that of his physical body being aged thanks to Sargeras.

>>714268969
Yes, you can compile and run your own offline server or just download a repack. There are even repacks that focus on singleplayer content in the sense that they come with plugins that allow you to queue for RDF on your own, scaled dungeons/raids, playerbots or even custom class changes to make soloing easier/viable as all classes.

>>714260758
>Questing so shitty it got upstaged by fucking runescape
The original game has its upsides, but the zone structure was not one of them.

>>714223814 (OP)
>Silithus turned into crusty crater land
WHY

>>714282740
ew

>>714281148
He undid that in a book or something, he just has gray hair now.

>>714268969
You can even do it in Classic, I leveld just by guesting without ever forming a party

>>714267398
Sure, but the world as a whole had tons of quest, I see the zones as working together and what purpose they can serve to each others instead of treating them like an individual game. If the whole world was like Azshara it would be terrible, if the world didn't have Azshara it would be worse off. Some zones actually compete with each others and I think that's a detriment, I think it's good that you can have a choice to level up in one or the other but if they really compete in terms of visuals, quest level and other than it dilutes the experience.

>>714265268
>>714267760
for me its usually mid 40s when i suddenly hit the wall and start to get burned out. ZF runs can be fun but tiresome if you start to get bad groups.
>>714269272
>>714269478
Crater impacts have a raised center from the deformation.

The Linken quest was entertaining but the end reward was not worth the hassle of running around Kalimdor beforehand.

>>714282740
Has Sargeras been killed yet? Why did he stab the sword into the world and not slice the world in half or something?

>>714237339
>howling fjord was my favorite

Mah nigga

>>714285016
The tl;dr is azeroth is a titan egg and he wanted to kill it. Sargeras is currently floating about the cosmos with the other titans on a couch shaped spaceship with illidan pretending to be their warden (his presence does absolutely nothing to keep them there)