Is this a deal breaker

I have never ever undocked my switch, that being said I am not gonna buy the switch 2 for the time being

>>714236235 (OP)
"10 times slower" tells me nothing.
10 times slower than 0.0000000001 seconds is 0.000000001 seconds
10 times slower than 1 second is 10 seconds

If this is a serious issue then I sure as hell can't notice anything out of the ordinary when I play undocked.

>>714236620
try being less ignorant, cunt.

well the only people i hear complaining about it are tech reviewers so probably not

>>714236235 (OP)
Yes for anyone over 70 iq. I would die of embarrassment if I even tried anything half as bad. Nintendo just gets away with whatever, it seems. Lol

>>714236235 (OP)
Why is PC Gamer talking about consoles? Shouldn't they just be talking about PC Gaming?

>>714236754
It's a nothing burger. These are the same people saying that a setting that increase latency input by 0.000001 seconds makes the game unplayable.

>>714236235 (OP)
All false btw, they tested this by watching Switch footage through YouTube since you can't actually test the switch yet. This is a review of youtube's performance.

>>714236620
>Our first data point is Monitors Unboxed. They found the Switch 2 returned an average pixel response time of __ ms at __ Hz. That's significantly worse than the slowest monitor the YouTube channel has tested, which came in at __ ms, and far slower than a "typical" high-performance PC gaming monitor with an LCD display, which comes in around the _ to _ milliseconds mark.

Right from the article, which you clearly didn't read.

>>714236235 (OP)
Just gonna leave this here while I wait for my Steam Deck OLED to arrive, which should be tomorrow!

>>714237684
Of course I didn't read it, OP posted a screenshot of a tweet; not an article

>>714237934
Enjoy your OLED, PC vegan!

>>714236754
>>714236918
it's actually very noticeable, but goes away the hotter it is.
i had a freak cold snap and dropped to freezing outside, even inside the switch 2 was literally unusable undocked. i had to leave it next to the heater for a few minutes

>>714238183
>PC Vegan
What does that even mean?

>>714238456
It's an insult like tendie, snoy, or xcuck

>>714237934
so if my math isn't wrong it's 33.3 out of 1000 milliseconds. which would be just around 3% of a millisecond slower? Is that really what some people are getting worked up over?

>>714238456
you know how vegans are annoying faggots who always have to let everyone know they're vegans?
pc players are the same

>>714236235 (OP)
They will quietly release new model and tendies will defend it.

Just hook it up to a real monitor for action games.

>>714238484
Wow did you make that up all by yourself? Good job little buddy!

>>714237934
What does this have to do with input delay?

>>714238657
I honestly don't remember. I'm pretty sure someone said it before me and I just copied them.

>>714238530
It's 33 times slower than an OLED screen is the correct way to look at it. Basically Nintendo put cheap outdated screens in their Switch 2's and are charging a premium for it.

>>714238740
That's 3% of a millisecond...

>>714238712
And because I did the human benchmark test on an oled PC, would I expect to see a 210ms response from a Switch 2? https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

>>714238804
It's noticeable. The real crime is Nintendo charges a premium. They tout themselves as a premium brand, and then puts a cheap, outdated screen in their brand new console and charges you top dollar for it. The Switch 2 screen is barely faster than a PSP from 20 years ago.

>>714236754
says more about you, than it does the switch 2

>>714238740
So what you're saying is I should double dip when the OLED launches

>>714238940
They should put vita there instead of psp.

>>714238940
Close, but it hasn't been tested yet. What you're showing is the results of someone testing a YouTube video of switch gameplay.

I think it's good move by Nintendo, if they put good screen Switch 2 would have to cost more, selling less.

>>714236235 (OP)
no one is buying a switch 2 because it's state of the art. That's what pc gaming is for

>>714238940
>It's noticeable
No it isn't. That's why the only source to report on it did so 3 weeks after launch and had to slow the video down and replay it to prove it was even real.

>>714238940
>slower than switch 1 which was already shit
premium console btw

>>714239125
It was noticed therefor, it is noticeable.

>>714239253
*at 3 times slower speed than reality

>>714239093
This is extreme cope.

>>714239320
the problem is nintendo fans dont have an out for the display being terrible
They *need* to play nintendo games for some reason, and only way to do is to buy a drm device with pixel response times from pre-2010 era lcds
theres no option not to buy the garbage device

the most advanced coping is "its docked 100% of the time for me" and the endlessly repeating mental gynmastics pretending the screen is fine due to immaterial reasons

Nothing but primo material from a premium brand.

>>714239253
>>714239535
When I play a video of the olympic 100m dash, I can run faster than the athletes if I play the video in 0.2x speed. Guess I'm the fastest man on Earth.

>>714239547
Nintendo Labia

>>714239320
But it's true? People buy Nintendo for the Software. There's a reason literal bricks like the Gameboy printed money even when Sega was releasing better, color screen 'helds.
Nintendo¡'s entire deal is software, you get shit and sometimes wacky ways to play that shit that you might not find somewhere else (Dual Screens, the introduction of a fully hybrid, seamless system, the original motion input, precise motion butr still with buttons, touch displays, two mouse inputs). If you want actual power, you always went with literally everyone else.
This isn't even copping, this is genuinely obvious when you see their entire lifespan, the Gamecube was an outliier and it suffered for it.

>>714239535
I play docked 100% of the time and so do 50% of switch users. Sorry try another coping mechanism, PC vegan.

>>714239535
These same tendies will trample each other to buy a Switch 2 OLED when it inevitably is released. That's why I make fun of them.

>>714236235 (OP)
The seething for the next eight years is gonna be fun.

>>714239709
Well you just spent the last hour shilling for switch to have OLED so it's too late to call them silly for wanting that.

>>714239675
Nintendo has always adhered to the mantra of "good enough" graphics and hardware to get the job done and showcase their unique art design. The Switch 2 screen isn't "good enough" it's literally worse than the Switch 1 LCD. Pointing to sales isn't a valid argument, because my point is that they're shoveling slop on your plate and you're paying a premium for it.

>>714238530
It means that the screen is so shit anything above 30 fps is wasted on it while the oled deck scales to 1000 fps and a desktop oled scales to 3000 fps

>>714239940
Must really hurt your feeling, huh? I'll pray for you.

>>714236235 (OP)
I tried playing F-Zero GX and it's borderline unplayable. Terrible input lag on my oled TV in game mode and the controls don't feel right even with the official GC controller.

>>714239940
see >>714238804

>>714240004
No, it just makes it easy to make fun of you is all. I'll be right here laughing when you shell out ANOTHER $600 for the Switch 2 OLED in 2 years.

>>714239958
*if the screen technology could push those framerates that is
OLEDs are limited by current tech while the switch 2's screen is severely outdated

>>714239958
>It means that the screen is so shit anything above 30 fps is wasted on it
How so? Plays at 60fps fine on my machine.

>>714240036
You know that is YOUR TV, not the system, right?

>>714236783
someone needs a nap

>>714238036
Of course he didn't link the article you fucking newfag.

>>714240050
Thanks and I do the same when you PC vegans dropped $800 for gabes LCD tablet.

>>714240209
are you mentally ill

>>714240127
The screen controller is telling the picture to change 60 times a second but the screen itself is so slow it can only do so 30 times on average
It's getting whipped into doing something it physically can't keep up with

>>714240209
zoomers would only read the first sentence of the article anyway
they're the laziest generation ever

>>714240265
>but the screen itself is so slow it can only do so 30 times on average
That's factually not what is going on. You don't even understand what you are shitposting about.

>>714240127
My TV's input lag on game mode is practically nonexistent. LG C2 for reference. Emulate gamecube from my PC on it all the time and it feels about what real hardware feels like.

>>714237684
>which you clearly didn't read.
Buy an ad
>>714239320
Consoles died with the 9th gen, there's no hype outside of the newest gameboy.

>>714236235 (OP)
>typical lcd screen is 1ms response time and 60hz
>10 times slower
Huh?

>>714236235 (OP)
it's the least of the switch's problems and the first console had godawful input latency when docked. no games and shit battery life are a far bigger problem

>>714240209
oh sure let me make a shitter account and look for a tweet to get the link

>>714240218
You mean my $700 handheld that can play hundreds upon hundreds of Steam games AND emulated Nintendo games on a beautiful OLED?

>>714240360
tn lcd 3ms
switch 2 33ms
oled 0.3 ms

>>714236235 (OP)
Real gamers were waiting for the OLED model or emulator, whichever comes first, anyway.

>>714240312
It's being told to change to the next frame halfway into actually displaying it and can only keep up if the framerate is as low as 30 fps
You're just covering for Nintendo

>>714240461
or just buy everything used for half off next year

Real organic movement

>>714240331
Clearly not, since the switch 2 doesn't have any noticeable input lag. Coincidentally, I was playing GX last night on my own OLED TV, and had no issues. So you're either a full on liar, or coping about your shit TV. And for the record, the thread is discussing the switch 2's screen, not something that is relevant when discussing TVs or monitors. And the "delay" is 0.3 milliseconds. Not even a singular frame at 120fps.

>>714240497
Your posts have devolved into word salad. None of what you just typed makes any sense.

>>714240393
Yup that's the one. You dropped $400 for a base model, $700 2 years later for a screen upgrade, all while already having spent over a grand on your desktop. Your monitor is probably dogshit too. All three devices play the same games, and slightly less than what I have access to on my Xbox, PC and Switch.

>>714236235 (OP)
Not to the people who thought Zelda running at 20fps 900p last generation was acceptable.

>>714240393
It can't even manage the new Monster Hunter at 20fps, LMAO

>>714236235 (OP)
Why died this keep getting spammed here even a week later

>>714240619
>word salad
Your goal is to appeal to triviality with muh milliseconds while understanding nothing
If you want a 60hz screen anything above 16.67ms response time will show ghosting because the display just can't keep up with displaying all the images that are being sent
That's that, cope and seethe, you didn't know what response time even was before people started shitting on it because no one who does would attempt to say it's just milliseconds

>>714240916
the switch 2 is still available for purchase so consumers need to be continuously be warned against buying the device

>entire thread
>NO ONE corrcting these faggots that the terst itself is borked to shit
The Switch2 screen is 120hz
DF, worthless scamming liars they are, forcibly down clocked the screen to 60hz using the youtube app then ran their faggot arse test.
There's nothing legitimate about this 'issue'.

If you're playing any nintendo console you're probably not a graphics fag anyway. Most of them won't even notice.

>100 times slower
what the fuck are you talking about? It has a 30ms (1/33 of a second) delay, and the absolute highest end stuff is ~10ms.

>>714242210
most people would if they were shown 2 example screens side by side
if the screen was somehow fixed with an update then 100% of the users would feel the benefit even if they didnt understand why its better


>>714242270
it refers to oleds changing pixels in 0.3ms and switch 2 achieving the same in 33ms

>>714242097
ALL the screens are tested at 60 and response time doesn't fucking scale enough to make those results reasonably better
If it can only produce a result viable for 30 at 60 then it'll be even more of an egregious waste to display 120 on it

>>714240619
>I was playing GX last night on my own OLED TV, and had no issues.
You're used to it or have never played it on real hardware or even dolphin with a non-chink adapter then. It's night and day difference.

Give me a reason why I shouldn't used the money to buy mini pc + portable monitor instead.
No, I won't buy portable PCs or laptops without swappable battery, I don't want my shit to have planned obsolescence.

>>714242628
i mean if you don't care for nintendo stuff you won't find any value in a switch 2

>>714242628
Assuming you mean a much
If you have to carry around a bunch of peripherals and need power that's not portable, by that definition desktops are portable at which point you're paying the portability tax

>>714242850
a NUC, since you mentioned needing a display
Fuck autocorrect

>>714242628
Do whatever the fuck you want retard

>>714238530
Higher response time here correlates to lesser motion clarity meaning you get blurry shit even at high framerate.

>>714238530
>most math-proficient tendie

>>714236620
its about 5ms slower than most monitors (literally nothing)

the human eye cant see faster than 24fps, anything above this is place bowl

>>714242628
>No, I won't buy portable PCs or laptops without swappable battery, I don't want my shit to have planned obsolescence
As opposed to buy something that has no battery at all? Seems retarded.

doomposters are getting desperate

>>714243213
heres 2 statements
1: switch 2 has the worst screen released to the mass market in decades
2: it's never going to get better

>>714240645
This is my 1st Deck. I don't buy the same console twice like how you tendies love to.

>>714243213
>talks about desperation while being a part of Nintendo defense force reposting the same pictures and copypastas over and over

>>714243432
spam the same clickbait, get the same replies

>>714243638
what part of it is inaccurate in your opinion

>>714243718
there's already 5 million switch 2 owners and the only people you see talking about this are non-owners who just parrot what they saw on clickbait videos made specifically to farm views from such people

>>714242772
NTA but I returned mine when it became clear that we weren't getting a summer general Direct. I was hesitant already with how hard spinoffs and Switch 1 leftovers are carrying the Switch 2's first-party offerings that we know of at the moment Splatoon Raiders was announced the day I made my return which just pushed my hangup to a level I found kind of funny, on top of how it's going to be a much more expensive ecosystem to maintain than the Switch without doing much to justify it.

Spinoffs are fine to have ALONGSIDE a stable of mainline games for the IPs I'm interested in, but to have them frontload the Switch 2's library so heavily without any word yet on the types of games I want from those IPs is not a great first impression (coughwiiucough). Plus, more recently, seeing the way Nintendo's trying so hard to actively shove intermission races down people's throats for Mario Kart World is not a great sign to me for how they're going to behave going forward about potential criticisms that crop up as time goes on.

>>714243138
I just want something that's easy to carry to the next power outlet, I have my phone for anything else inbetween. Was considering buying flagship phone for portable gaming purpose, but playstore being piece of shit for anything that's not free to gamble games kills my interest for it. And some of the older games I've bought there are outright not downloadable because of compability issue. At least on steam/PC I can download the files and use shit like dosbox/whatever.

Couldn't be me lmao

>>714236235 (OP)
No, because their metrics are relative, and without direct comparison, like right NEXT to each other, no one is going to notice, especially if you're still gaming on some 1080p 60hz setup or something.

>>714242628
do you really

>>714240209
>of course
You're the newfag, articles get linked here through proxy sites like archive and have for years. It's you stupid newfags just taking screenshots of fucking tweets of headlines and providing no additional info. Kill yourself ASAP.

>>714243984
1080p 144hz monitors have been cheaply available since early 2010's
not sure how fast pixel response times were back then

only ones with slow screens were apple users for whatever reason, and now switch 2 has the slowest display since some non-overdrive apple monitor from decades past

>>714243979
all that free shilling for the deck and there's already more switch 2 owners than deck owners

>>714244257
enjoy following the crowd, I will enjoy my superior product

>>714238530
yeah, it's the equivalent of 2f of lag, not ideal, but not an issue at all. only problem is if you decide to play a fighting game online with that screen, but who the fuck would play a fighting game online in handheld mode?

>>714242097
It's like playing NDS games on the 3DS where it has to resize shit to fill the screen so it ends up looking like shit. The whole things a schizophrenic nothing burger.

>>714243984
bold strategy for nintendo to aim at african standards
you legitimately can't buy a desktop display anywhere near as bad as what's in the switch 2 and even entry phones have oled now

>>714243308
No, you did. You and every PC vegan bought multiple Steam Decks. You get to claim that, so I get to claim that. Cheers.

>>714244367
lol

>>714244576
lol

>>714244124
My laptop was already like that when the battery is fucked, at least with that setup I can just swap the monitor/keyboard when that component died out.

>>714244714
just replace the battery?
it's basically risk free

Is OLED worth it?

>>714244576
>My console with its hyperspecific and tailored optimisations has somewhat beaten a PC 3 years later

>>714236620
Not even ten seconds of using the search engine of your choice

>>714245186
>Monitors that can display 50 FPS are excellent
What is this ai smoking
144 is the compfag entry level and that needs sub 7

>>714245332
Input lag or latency is different from FPS

>>714245332
its entirely possible the older "144hz" ips monitors have over 7ms response times in the normal and od1 modes, and the fastest OD having overshoot that looks worse
compfags usually used TN lcd monitors which were much faster than ips, and zowie obviously has their motion blur reduction tech that people like

The 5 stages of tendie grief: lies, denial, revisionism, bargaining and melty

>>714246584
wheres the class action lawsuit stage

>>714245501
This isn't input lag we're measuring on the switch, it's grey-to-grey response times.
That is to say that anything above 16.7ms will, by definition, be blurry at 60fps. You'd need a response time of half that (<8.4ms) to support the 120fps the screen claims to.

The good news for any anons who bought one is that the Monitors Unboxed review found there is likely no overdrive whatsoever, and it's not impossible for overdrive to have been supported in hardware but not in firmware. If this is the case, you might be able to get a firmware update that salvages some of the performance. Not any miracles, but not the disaster it is now.

>>714247637
no one knows if firmware update with OD modes is possible

>>714247764
Very true. But it's also not categorically impossible. We just don't know the hardware level support.

>>714247637
lol

>>714236235 (OP)
If you intend to use it for portable play, yes.

>>714243295
Here's 2 statements

1) the Switch 2 is the fastest selling video game system is history
2) its not going to get better for you

>>714238432
>>714238940
>>714239125
>>714239253
It depends on the person's sensitivity to it and the game. Worst case is fast moving 2d games. Something like Sonic.

>>714244912
Absolutely. HDR, high contrast even in SDR and much better motion clarity.

>>714239743
"Kaw, k-kaw! Kaw, k-kaw!"

>>714247028
In the 5 stages of tendo grift: they'll buy it anyway, cut corners, patent basic game mechanic, class action lawsuit and open shovelware floodgates

sorry decktroons
the smear campaign didn't work, switch 2 already outsold the deck's lifetime sales in less than a week

>>714249073
>gets so autistically mad that he lacks good taste and sense
>takes our his RAGE by making a xitter meme
lel
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/sNxKlAglnQshm8KxAvSagQ/