Thread 714273721

It's over for Rare

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sources-everwild-has-been-cancelled-as-xbox-layoffs-hit-rare/

>>714273721 (OP)
WHO

>>714273721 (OP)
WHAT?

Sea of Thieves will go on for 100 seasons and Rare will not be allowed to make anything else despite proving themselves with the only successful new IP for xbox in the last 15 years.

>>714273721 (OP)
It was over for Rare when the Stamper brothers wanted out of the industry and Nintendo passed on buying the company when they offered it to them.

ANOTHER XBOX EXCLUSIVE CANCELED
WHO COULE HAVE GUESSED

To be fair I don't think anyone ever expected this to come out
I think this was announced 2017?

ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST
marathon cancellation inbound at this point

God damn, give me a real challenge!

>>714273721 (OP)
Starting to think Devs like these sat around getting a fat paycheck and not work. Because this shit keeps happening.

This shit is beyond ridiculous, fuck Xbox.

Just take them to the yard and shoot them in the head
They wont feel it anyway

>>714273721 (OP)
Just kill this studio already, holy shit.

>>714273721 (OP)
it looked bare bones and barley even a game when they even showed it
Most of Rare studios most be daycare centers for women and blacks these days.
They spend years doing literally nothing

>>714274218
Regardless of one's opinion on Obsidian, it's the only studio MS bought that's actually released a lot of games since getting acquired.
Rare basically turned off after Sea of Thieves.

>>714274174
Marathon is Sony I think. Perfect Dark is definitely gonezo though

>>714273721 (OP)
5 years of prototyping and 10 years for "parts of the game" to be playable. No fucking game should be in development for 11 years and counting...

Shut down the entire studio in my opinion.

>>714274523
Ninja Theory aka Donte May Cry Studio released like 2 WokeSlop games as well.
They just flopped and were forgotten within a weak.

Rare was working on something besides Sea of Thieves?

>>714274523
I wouldn't be so quick to blame devs for that. Xbox has canceled games left and right and generally been reluctant to release games at all since the xbox one era

>>714274614
>10 years after start of Development
>development is going well, with parts of the game being in a playable form
I really, really wish i could be as incompetent at my job as most western devs.
Imagine spending 10 years having to do nothing yet still getting payed.

>>714274698
Not anymore. Everyone who doesn't work on Sea of Thieves has been fired.

rare? guess that's why it's half baked

>>714274698
rare is working on Sea of Thieves?
Game seems like an early access indie game even now.

Ubisoft pay attention

WE'RE NOT DONE YET!

>>714275198
Tbf they actually made a black woman I want to fuck.

>>714273721 (OP)
oh noo not esgwild

>>714274174
I'm pretty sure the "indefinite" delay on Marathon is meant to be taken as a cancelation.

>>714273721 (OP)
I don't even remember them ever announcing this, so it must have been a long fucking time ago. Sad what became of Rare.

>>714275249
Probably Contraband, as vaporware as a game can be.

and yet this board will continue to praise Microsoft just to get one over on the 'Snoys'

Looks like shit so who cares

>>714275249
State of Decay bros, I think it might be over for us.

>>714274836
>payed
Maybe if you learn English you can get a job too.

>>714275249
They need to off that Perfect Dark reboot. There’s no reason it’s been such a financial black hole for so goddamn long

>>714273721 (OP)
If it had that art style I wouldn't have played it anyway

>>714274614
pic related

>>714275475
The only people on this board who praise Microsoft are pajeet marketers. Microsoft's army of Indian shills is nigh endless and they have been spamming this board for at least 10 years now. Nobody owns an Xbox, nobody uses goypass. Yet there is always at least one thread advertising them at all times.

>>714275249
Fable, maybe? Ain’t heard shit from that

>>714275689
That or Perfect Dark. Neither were anywhere to be seen during that last Xbox Direct during Summer Game Fest.

Wonder what ambitious loop they were going for, just do something simple.

>>714273721 (OP)
>big studio somehow had a long in development new ip
>never ever heard about it until this post
weird

>>714275568
Why is a sequel to a nice little Xbox arcade game taking so goddamn long anyway? Are zombie animals that much of a hurdle?

>>714273721 (OP)
So it's finally been officially cancelled huh?
I kept posting Everwild in Rare related threads, wondering if they would ever address the game again.

Granted that I was never really interested in Everwild itself. I've just been wondering just what has been going on at Rare, and Everwild looked like it had become a total mess.

>>714273721 (OP)
so rare is gone. what's gonna happen to SoT

>>714275689
>>714275768
Those had in-game actual shit atleast, and you could see how a game like that sells. I'd honestly say State of Decay 3. They showed off in-game but its taken so long I wonder if they can even monetize it.

LITERALLY WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714273721 (OP)
ok now let's guess which other dei slops got cancelled
fable?
clockwork revolution?
state of decay 3?
blade?

>chuds can't claim victory if there's no game for them to not buy
Very smart.

>>714273975
They did nothing else for many years anon, that's not successful, that's eating money.

>>714275840
It's going to die and become completely unplayable

>>714275840
they will continue to churn out paid cosmetics and half-baked seasons. the game will remain buggy and unstable.

>>714273993
Honestly always thought it was crazy Nintendo passed on it. Imagine the N64 without their output. Now imagine the GameCube with Rare as first party support.

Much better outcome then being stuck in the kinect/avatar mines, live service slop, and then ultimately this

>rare's game got cancelled
>meanwhile nintendo is now making a game in the style of rare's classics
Do I blame Rare or Microsoft for Rare's fall? Both?
Why aren't they making games like this anymore?

>>714275249
CANCELATIONS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
SEND ANOTHER ROUND OF H1B INDIANS

>>714275861
The trailer they showed for Perfect Dark last year screams fake gameplay.

>>714275891
kek

OH NO NO NO

BWAHAHAHA

>>714275896
Sea of Thieves is successful though. Before that Rare was in the dungeons making kinect shovelware. This isn't the first time they've had layoffs which is going to impact development of anything. I'm not defending the long dev cycle of Everwild, I'm shaming the Xbox practice of canceling everything before release rather than using their insane resources to get games back on track.

>>714276081
It looked like any old immersive sim.

>>714276016
>Why aren't they making games like this anymore?
Industry never made classic games like Nintendo. They all wanted their Call of Duty game and then Fortnite and they're never gonna stop. Sony does the same shit now, zero identity whatsoever

>>714276142
>''''PLAYING''''
There was no game, lets be real.

>>714276016
Because Rare devs admitted they don't like making platformers anymore

>>714275726
>moments before being banned by a resetranny janny for going against the narrative
kek imagine still using retardera

>>714275951
They clearly just fucked that up. They didn't buy them early on and then somehow ended up in a bidding war with Microsoft (and Activision) they couldn't win. I can only imagine that either the financial pain they were going through with the failure of the N64 and the Gamecube made them reluctant to make big investments or they got greedy and figured nobody else would try to buy Rare as they were trying to sell, so that they could get the studio at a bargain.

>>714273721 (OP)
Oh right, Xbox is cleaning house this week. Lmao. Time to see multiple useless games and studios get shut down

>>714276016
Microsoft. But also the Xbox audience/playerbase. When Rare started working for Microsoft they put out stuff like Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. None of those were bad games, but they were decidedly and absolutely not the kind of games that Xbox players were interested in so they didn't sell that well. This is a console built almost exclusively on military shooters like Halo and Gears of War. Rare never stood a chance making the kind of games that everyone loved them for on Nintendo when stuck with the Xbox audience.

So, Sony won?

>>714276447
All the ones that did left and made their own studio to make platformers. Which was most of the 30 year veterans.

15 MINUTES UNTIL THE NEXT LAYOFFS HAPPENING HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>714275689
shit man don't get my hopes up like that

>>714276552
Source?

Surely this means they're able to work on a new Viva Pinata game

>>714275616
>>714275768
Perfect Dark is exactly what came to mind when i saw that tweet. that "gameplay" they showed off last year looked like absolute bullshit. wouldn't surprise me if it was State of Decay though, i feel like you can only do so many cinematic trailers in a row without any gameplay before people get convinced that something might not be right here.

unfortunately, i think Fable is gonna come out late next year or early '27. some people are really gonna wish that one ended up cancelled, i bet.

>>714275198
more like beyond cancelled, no way they are still developing this

>>714273721 (OP)
FUCK WHY
FUCK YOU MICROSOFT

>>714276872
Any day now...

>>714276843
Not that anon but it's still early in the US. Rare is UK based so it makes sense their layoffs are announced at this hour. If there are layoffs at a US studio we will probably know in 2-3hours

>>714273721 (OP)
I'm going to be so mad if this is true

It is one of the great tragedies of this dumb hobby that they were bought by Xbox

>>714273721 (OP)
Big bummer. Rare was a titan once upon a time, but it's been dying a slow death since the acquisition.
>>714276510
>Does not mention PDZero
I paid full price for that game and I'm still upset at myself for it.

100 seasons of Sea of Thieves. Is there a fate worst than death for Rare? I can't think of anything else.

>>714273721 (OP)
rare is just Snes and N64 nostalgia.

But Phil said Everwild was making good progress...

>>714276872
if only...need my fudgehog

>>714277391
almost as if Phil can't be trusted and he's actually nothing more than another Microsoft big wig.

I was actually waiting for it, why

Did Everwild even exist? Do we even have legitimate game footage (not bullshots)?

More like NEVERwild.

>>714276016
microjew bought rare to keep them from making nintendo popular with American audiences.

>>714277725
carlos!

>>714276016
pic not related I assume

>>714277373
That's because Microsoft bought them after the N64 era.

Their initial output after the acquisition through the 360 wasn't bad, I just always thought it seemed like a poor fit.

>Grabbed By The Ghoulies
>Kameo
>Conker: live and reloaded
>Viva Pinata 1 and 2
>Perfect Dark Zero
>Nuts and Bolts

With the exception of maybe perfect dark these all probably sold worse than they could have on a Nintendo console.

Microsoft bought them to fill the "family" niche with their output, but that's not the demographic that was buying Xbox

>>714275249
Half-life 3 bros...

>>714275249
Holy shit it's Perfect Dark LMFAO

>>714273721 (OP)
Hope this is bullshit. I saw sparks of old Rare in that initial trailer

>>714277391
Things make a lot more sense once you realize that whatever comes out of Phil's mouth is the exact opposite.

>TFW these niggas are independent now and already had their bloodbath so they're probably safe this time
TFB chads rise up

>>714274836
>nnoooooo leave the devs alone it's not their fault

>entire industry ruined by drooling retards playing live service games for eternity

Bad end

>>714277974
they let Perfect Dark go on far too long without any meaningful progress, honestly

same deal with 343, desu

>>714274174
It would unironically be a good time to quietly cancel the game since Microsoft would be garnering a lot of the headlines right now and that's what Sony likes to do: let another company take the heat for something they want to do and then quietly do the same thing a little bit afterwards.

>>714278083
What are they even making though? Nobody is trusting them with IP anymore

Good. Rare is so fucking cringe and woke now. Fuck them.

>>714276510
>stuff like Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts
I swear that all of these would have been successful all-time classics if it just hadn't been on Xbox. Had they stayed on Nintendo or at least landed at Playstation. Instead they had to work with Xbox.

Xbox and "big games" getting cancelled. (can't even call them big exclusives anymore lol)
Name a more iconic duo.

>>714273721 (OP)
>Announce brand new game
>Multiple years after Sea of Thieves launched, surely Rare has a new game deep into production.
>CG trailer
>"Yeahhh we really don't know what the gameplay is yet. We're still ~exploring~ and figuring out that pesky little detail. We just came up with the world and visuals :3"
>6 years later, game still isn't coming together
>cancelled
>:o

Western developers are a fucking joke. The concept is the EASIEST part. How is a CONCEPT not nailed down and the first thing you do before starting development?

They announced this game, showed footage, then immediately after said they didn't now what the concept was yet. Like ???????? Did you faggots just come up with an artstyle and CG footage before deciding what this game was supposed to be about? This was announced like 6+ years ago and still wasn't coming together.

Western devs have a foundational, philosophical issue of prioritizing visual presentation/story/worldbuilding over actual GAMEPLAY. What a joke.

Looks like a typical forced-diversity game destined to fail.

>>714277864
>Grabbed By The Ghoulies
Reminder this was originally meant for Gamecube

>>714277974
They should just sell all the rare IPs back to Nintendo. Nintendo will also do jackshit with them but at least they'll be collecting dust with the company where those IPs were born.

>>714278416
looks like smth drawn during the biden era. it was probably a based white man's game with a very distinctive artstyle but microdei went full globohomo so they couldnt let that happen and had to reboot

>>714278416
>>714278591
you will never be white

>>714277974
This is absolutely crazy to me. Joanna dark was unironically a female James Bond that men and women liked. This game should have been an absolute shoe-in for fans and Microsoft diversity targets, but then we got pic related

Our beloved adjacent-board is not taking these news lightly.

>>714273721 (OP)
I like to believe I have a better idea of what is happening in games than 99% of anons, but I have never heard of this.

>>714278591
I love DKC and like Kameo too.
Looks to me like the torch has passed to Tumblr developers at their company.

>>714276460
I think it had more to do with them knowing that the value of Rare lied with the Stamper Bros. If they were going to retire from games development soon then most of the value of Rare would go along with them.

>>714277864
Conker was pretty successful on the original Xbox, I knew a lot of people who loved playing it online. But otherwise you are correct.

>>714277246
I didn't mention Perfect Dark Zero because it was the only game by Rare the Xbox playerbase actually wanted and was pretty successful. I also think it was a good game, I had a lot of fun with it and still enjoy going back to it to this day. Super underrated fps.

Oh fuck.

>>714273721 (OP)
>It's over for Rare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnA_6I4y0_0

Is Sea of Thieves enough to keep Rare alive?

>>714275951
Rare wasn't exactly putting out megahits anymore at the time and Nintendo was already running out of patience having to tardwrangle their other subsidiaries like Retro.

>>714274523
>a lot of games
Avowed and Outer Worlds?

>>714279047
It's literally the only IP they have that makes any money. MS won't get rid of it.

This is why you should attach pedigree to individual developers and the team that made the game at the time and not the studio itself. Rare became something else the moment the OG devs jumped ship

>>714273721 (OP)
>game i've quite literally never heard of gets cancelled
Many such cases!

>>714274836
>Western devs
I loved Versus XIII!

>>714279091
Grounded and Pentiment as well, with both Grounded 2 and Outer Worlds 2 also coming this year. Anon is right, as far as Xbox studios are concerned, they've churned a lot out in the last 6 or 7 years.

>>714279124

Damn. I’m kinda hoping they croak so Nintendo can buy them back. Or at least get their IPs back.

If 900 people are getting laid off, expect to see a lot more Xbox cancellations.

>Rare Replay still isn't even on PC
What are you doing niggers

What the fuck was wrong with Nintendo to decide to not buying them after the N64? They had amazing output spanning multiple genres some of which Nintendo STILL doesn't have an answer for

>GoldenEye
>Perfect Dark
>Banjo Kazooie/Tooie
>Donkey Kong 64
>Jet Force Gemni
>Blast Corps
>KI
>Diddy Kong Racing
>Conker

Like imagine an alternate history where Nintendo had them to supplement the GameCube library.

>>714273721 (OP)
how many of these guys were actually getting work done

>>714276142
Uh-oh, spot the problem....

>>714278416
Those are probably the least offensive black people designs I've seen in over a decade. Wouldn't mind playing as either of them. They're a lot better than the identical old hag twins at least.

>>714279440
To this day Nintendo has been fumbling Donkey Kong without Rare. And the crazy thing is they treat Retro Studios like shit too deapite being their only good development team. Retarded Jap company just hates American studios upstaging their internal teams.

>>714279473
The niggers get outsourced
https://youtu.be/0KlRBwf3sjY?t=1213

Even the wokest studios are all white

>>714279440

A popular rumor is they were afraid Rare’s games were starting to be better than Nintendo’s.

>>714279084
Really? Pretty much everything N64 onward was at least a critical success. I thought it was more Nintendo couldn't justify dropping the amount of money Microsoft could at the time

>>714279440
They DID have Rare to supplement the Gamecube library. And what they supplemented it WITH after a colossal clusterfuck of a development cycle is what helped convince them not to take up Rare's buyout offer.

Seriously, everyone rightly laughs at Sony for buying out Bungie and Microsoft for Bethesda, but don't realize that Nintendo buying Rare then would have been just as embarrassing.

>>714278376
Retard.

>>714279084
What a bizarre post. Retro is the only studio that makes good games for Nintendo at this point and absolutely never needed to be "tard wrangled". Retro and Rare are compent teams that have never made bad games. That absolutely cannot be said of any of Nintendo's Japanese studios/teams. Nintendo has never recovered from losing Rare.

>>714279856
Star Fox Adventures is a weird anomaly though, and part of its fucked up dev cycle was a result of Nintendo pushing for them to rework it into a Starfox thing.

Also it's still a decent game despite this.

They'll shutter Rare, won't they

>>714279856
SFA wasn't rare's fault. The whole project was doomed the moment nintendo for some baffling reason decided to force a star fox skin over an original IP instead of just...letting the original game get made

>>714279856
Miyamoto ruined this game, not Rare. Its a miracle it actually turned out decent and playable.

>>714280045
I'm kinda surprised Rare made it this far.

>sell Microsoft azure contracts to kikes to support their hostile endeavors
>kill one of the most beloved dev studios of all time

Common Microsoft L. It's almost like it's a beehive of pajeets

>>714273721 (OP)
Me and only one other anon have mentioned this game since it was first revealed. Really liked SoT and was looking forward to what they did next. Phil needs to grow a pair and start whipping his dev teams into shape. The hands off approach obviously isn't working.

>>714280194
>It's almost like it's a beehive of pajeets
Well the current CEO is literally a pajeet so...

>>714280105
Miyamoto seems like a fucking menace to project management, hearing stories about him with this and Majora's Mask make him sound like a nightmare to work under

>>714280024
Read up on Metroid Prime's development. Yes, it ended up being a huge success and Retro really ended up getting its shit together after a couple of swift kicks in the ass from the head office, but getting there was a massive headache and it's understandable that Nintendo would view more overseas holdings as a source of even more headaches.

>>714273721 (OP)
WHOMS'T?

>>714279440
if anything. not buying them was a good call.
their games lost more and more quality and sales after the N64 era

And this a month before Bananza becomes the best-selling Donkey Kong, rough times for Rare

>>714280004
In what world is entering development (to the point where you have footage) and announcing a game before having the CONCEPT FINISHED is a good idea?

>>714280291
He's too rigid and obsessed with everything always being a certain way, without accounting for how times change. He's just a typical boomer who doesn't like change or letting younger generations having a say.

>>714280226
>Phil needs to grow a pair and start whipping his dev teams into shape

No, Phil needs to go. Phil has desperately needed to be replaced since 2018 at a minimum.

>>714280389
At least the Bananza devs have an obvious reverence for Rares work with the series.

>>714280226
Phil has had a literal decade to achieve this. Why do so many studios have this problem under them? Why do so many projects die? The only company that actually seems to be productive at all after they bought up a bunch of studios is Obsidian.

It's a management problem. They need him out. They needed him out for many years

>>714280226
Phill IS the problem anon, he's as bad as Matrick, he's ruined Xbox

>>714275475
No one does that faggot. Shitting on Sony doesn't make you a MS fan. Sony is pure shit and so is MS.

>>714275896
It's funny when people use BUH SEA OF THIEVES to justify Rare being dogshit, considering it's the first and only in-house winner they've had during almost 25 years of Microsoft ownership.

>>714281017
He's way, way worse than Mattrick. Xbox succeeded under Mattrick for years before he went full retard with the Xbone reveal comments.

>>714276510
So make them with smaller budgets, these subhumans who make games apparently need to spend upwards to 200 million or else it's not worth making because they want 800 million in profit, it's completely retarded.

>>714273721 (OP)
At this point the only reason Rare's still alive at all is because of Sea of Thieves.
>>714273993
>>714275951
Nintendo didn't lose anything, because Rare was never good.

>>714280642
>reverence
The koopaling skeletons are obviously mocking how Rare is dead

Did you know that Rare has more canceled projects under Microsoft than under Nintendo. There are some exceptions here like some projects getting repurposed into released games (Project Dream > Banjo Kazooie), low tier GBA ports, and sometimes Rare management being at fault like Arc Angel but it is sad to look at what could've been on the Xbox side of things.

>>714273721 (OP)
It's called Rare, because it rarely produces anything of value anymore

That Zenimax MMO is confirmed cancelled.

>>714275689
Fable seemed pretty far along, I think it will be safe. If it sells well will be another matter.

>>714280302
Rare's new game, has been in development since 2014.
Announced in 2019.
Devs immediately said they were still figuring out the gameplay concept. (https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/rare-hasnt-discussed-everwild-much-because-its-still-playing-around-with-gameplay-ideas/)
Allegedly rebooted in 2021 because development was a shitshow. Rare oldb
Head Greg Myles named creative director (https://www.gamesradar.com/everwild-has-reportedly-been-rebooted-and-wont-release-until-2023/)
They "nailed the gameplay loop" in 2024 and it was due to be re-revealed. (https://x.com/TheGAMERApp/status/1845574733024346194)
Today it was cancelled.

A exemplar of modern Western AAA game development that prioritizes everything besides gameplay

>>714274836
>yet still getting payed.
>payed
How does anyone over the age of 10 fuck this up? This isn't even a common mistake like your and you're. Just incredible stupidity.

>>714281452
This is not a loss. Zenimax sucks and no one cares, it was probably just them milking Elder Scrolls or Fallout some more.

>>714281584
>in development since 2014.
>Announced in 2019.
>gameplay figured out in 2024
What is wrong with this fucking industry these days? This is some Bioware shit right here.

>>714281637
It was a new IP apparently.

Okay, now please, Rare, please make a completely family-friendly and wholesome reboot of Conker's.

I prefer a friendly Conker to that drunken squirrel.

>>714281584
*Old head
What I get for being a phoneposting faggot

>>714275951
The thing about Nintendo is that they are more focused on talent acquisition rather than just saving a studio just cause. For example, the original studio that made Mario Party got bought by Konami instead of Nintendo, but in the end Nintendo just head hunted most of the staff that made those mario party games after that and now the games have the same directors and devs as they used to

If Rare at the time had talent and knowledge that Nintendo really wanted, then they would have purchased them. They probably saw the writing on the wall and believed that Rare's best days were behind them.

>>714280045
Not whilst Sea of Thieves keeps printing money.

>>714281584
>Literally in development for 10 years
bruh how do you spent ten years making a game and only just figure out your gameplay in 2024

>>714281245
Mattrick inherited an already successful platform with momentum, and he still fucked up the 360 in the end hard enough to let the PS3 (which nearly killed its entire company) sneak up and steal second place at the last minute. It's like how Jim Ryan inherited a successful platform with the PS4 and then fucked up on the next generation. and Shuntaro Furukawa with the Switch but this board's not going to be ready for THAT conversation for another few years.

>>714273721 (OP)
Remember what we used to think we had to look forward to in videogames as graphics got better?

>>714279473
They didn't even have budget for desks..

>>714273721 (OP)
Damn that screenshot looks ugly

>>714281898
I need to creampie this beauty.

>>714281898
heya hoya

Everwild looked like an indie game and was in development longer than literally GTA6 (started in 2017 after RDR2 released). Actually insane they didn’t kill it off sooner

>>714281870
thats the industry now. have you heard the stories that came out of bioware? they spend years in pre-production dicking around and then shit out something in the last year or so, most of the time

brother it's been over since nuts n bolts

>>714282467

Hey how are ya hey how are ya

>>714279440
They just didn't have the bandwidth or rather didn't really believe in the American market as much. Sony got away with multiple overseas acquisitions due to they have a lot of offices overseas that could manage said acquired studios.

>>714273721 (OP)
How did this happen, we did nothing!

>>714283058
Since modern businessmen like to think of themselves as being all military, this is the military equivalent of an army that's overly regimented to the point of being unadaptable and a general who sits there trying to lay out the perfect plan while the other general is taking the territory that his plans rely on.

Thinking of business as war only works when talking roughly about the logistical side, BTW. A lot of businesses are failing because they don't even understand the objective of a business, which is to provide value to the customer (focusing on the investors is putting the cart before the horse; the investors will follow if the customers are happy, the customers don't give a shit if the investors are happy).

>>714278416
oh it was pozzed, good riddance to bad rubbish

at this point i don't think anyone would be surprised if fable was cancelled.

>>714273721 (OP)
I'm surprised that Rare still exists.
And developers really shouldn't be allowed to waste a decade working on a single game. It's bad for the devs, for the studio and for the publisher, and the result never turns out to be as successful as a GTA game.

>>714275319
That's a chimp, anon.

>>714279440
Dinosaur Planet had a shitton of developing issues and most of the great talent was already leaving Rare by then.
See for example Retro Studios, most of the talent was from Rare, and Nintendo turned it into a first party studio.

>>714283984
Fable 1 is one of the comfiest games of all time to replay, but Lionhead started wokifying itself before it was even an industry mandate and hyper-casualized to a degree beyond what was even normal in the late 00s. I remember involuntarily laughing with the bullies when they mocked that landwhale who followed you around in Fable 2.

>>714284541
i remember for fable 3 the team threw a tantrum MS didnt want them to put a black woman on the cover.

>>714284410
Most of the employees at Retro Studios were not Rare devs. That's blatantly false. Retro was former Iguana Entertainment devs (Turok)

>>714284612
that story is obviously bullshit concocted by some virtue signaling dipshit. you can't even be black in 3.

>>714277391
>But Phil said Everwild was making good progress...

Good progress to be shut down HAHAHAHA

>>714285032
https://www.eurogamer.net/lionhead-the-inside-story

In the words of John McCormack:
>They were going, you can't have a black person on the cover, and you can't have a woman. And you want a black woman. And I was like, yes, I do, because it's about be whatever hero you want. No. It's a white guy. That's just the way it is. We know what sells and that's fucking it. Stop the arguing. I was like, fuck you! That was a huge fight.

>>714284193
Rare only exists still because ecelebs fags and kids made Sea of Thieves a success.

>>714284910
You're right. I stand corrected.
Although the point made still stands. By Dinosaur Planet, most of the talent by Retro was gone.

>>714285219
yes and he's lying

>>714284541
Honestly, Fable 2 was filled with so much bullshit that I was completely checked out of the series.

>>714285385
Yeah Gregg Mayles is the only significant old head developer left at Rare IIRC. It's been a slow drain of talent since the early 2000s. By the time Playtonic launched in 2015, basically everyone was gone.

>>714273721 (OP)
I'm shocked the MS funded these fucking idiots making zero progress on this trash for over ten years. Over ten years in development and the only thing they had to show for it was a trailer released five years ago that showed absolutely zero gameplay. Rare deserves to be shut down at this point.

>>714285774
On one hand, it's funny that Microsoft was left holding the bag, on the other, I'm sad that the name of easily one of the top 3 studios of an entire generation because a shovelware maker.

>>714276447
not
my
problem

>>714285340
It has historically done well but the next four months are going to be rough for it.

The content coming is almost entirely reskins of content that most people already don't engage with. Expect mild indifference to become disdain.

>>714285993
Rare is incredibly fortunate Sea of Thieves is (somehow) a cashcow. They likely would've been shuttered today if not for that perpetual revenue.

Here's a timeline of every game Rare has developed after their "last hurrah" of traditional releases (Nuts & Bolts and Viva Pianta 2) in 2008:
>2010: Kinect Sports
>2011: Kinect Sports 2
>2012: nothing
>2013: nothing
>2014: Kinect Sports Rivals
>2015: Rare Replay
>2016: nothing
>2017: nothing
>2018: Sea of Thieves
>2019: nothing
>2020: nothing
>2021: nothing
>2022: nothing
>2023: nothing
>2024: nothing
>2025: nothing
>2026-2030: probably nothing

Currently 7 years between major releases, with seemingly nothing in the pipeline besides more SOT updates.

>>714273721 (OP)
Rare have been dead for years, the final nail in the coffin was when they were making Kinect shovelware trash for the 360

To continue the analogy, the Rare of today is just the exhumed corpse being puppeted around by Microsoft hoping that people will just be happy to see the cadaver no matter what they make it do

If they finally truly die then it will be a mercy kill

Can M$ go ahead and shutter the studio so Nintendo can buy it? Those dumb faggots haven't even bothered porting Rare Replay to PC.

>>714286145
You mean returns to being a shovelware maker. You should see what they put out on the NES lmao

>>714286735
I forgot
>2009: nothing

Also, before any faggot chimes in, Killer Instinct 2013 and Battletoads 2020 were not developed by Rare. The most Rare did was advisory work for those legacy IPs.

>>714286938
At this point the only thing of "worth" is their dead IPs, and I unfortunately have zero faith that Nintendo would have any interest in doing something new with Battletoads, Banjo or Conker.

Although that's still better than how they're being treated right now...

>>714277823
There is a lot of Rare DNA in Bananza.

>>714286735
That's pathetic, they used to be like Intelligent Systems where they could release atleast 1 game every year.

>>714286938
nintendo would absolutely not waste money on nu rare.

>>714273721 (OP)
Rare can't do a single good game without Nintendo so fucking whatever.

>>714276447
Just like how Square Enix said they don't want to make JRPGs anymore.
It's really sad to see companies master a genre and then turn their back on it.

>>714287381

So get the IPs. Thats all anyone wants.

>>714287708
nintendo is famously frugal. i don't even think they'd do that. better to just assume the only times anyone related to nintendo has thought about rare since their sale was sakurai with ultimate and more recently with the rare homages in bananza. after bananza i would be surprised if the rare nods continued in the DK series.

>>714287115
Problem is, most of Rare's IPs wouldn't fit well with Nintendo's current first party output.

Banjo-Kazooie could be successful, but it would be supplemental to 3D Mario.
Conker fills an M-rated niche, but again it's a 3D platformer that'd be supplemental to 3D Mario.
Battletoads would join the ranks of many other dead retro 2D franchises Nintendo doesn't touch. 2D beat'em ups are very niche.
Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark could fit, as Nintendo doesn't have a traditional fighting game or traditional FPS in their lineups.
Viva Pianta, Ghoulies, Kameo, etc. are too niche to do anything significant with.

Then it becomes a question of who even develops these games? EPD8 likely isn't going to stop working on 3D Mario/3D DK to work on a Banjo Kazooie. No internal developer at Nintendo has experience in traditional fighting games for Killer Instinct. And Retro Studios is the only Nintendo developer capable of making an FPS for Perfect Dark. Ultimately Nintendo would need to outsource development to 3rd parties for most of these IPs.

>>714288070
Banjo could at least make for a nice 3D Mario alternative if Odyssey didn't already feel a lot like Banjo. As for the rest, yeah, I think you're right there. Nintendo already has enough of their own IPs they barely touch anymore, would be a waste for them to buy Rare's old ones only to be unable to do much with them.

>>714279440
It says a lot that people only list the stuff they made pre-buyout when they talk about this. Sounds to me like Nintendo knew the exact moment when they exhausted their potential and rightfully kicked them to the curb.

>>714288070
Next Level Games could probably handle creating a new Perfect Dark or Killer Instinct. But then whoops, you just pulled the Luigi's Mansion and Mario Soccer devs off some very successful IPs

>>714273721 (OP)
Oh yeah i forgot about this, it was announced like a decade ago at this point. It always looked like shit

>>714288227
When Nintendo has dead IPs like Star Fox, F-Zero, WarioLand, Golden Sun, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out, Wave Race, etc. the last thing they need are more IPs to sit on.

>>714279323
but it's all garbage. Is that what microsoft wants? tons of shit games to fill the gamepass library? Sure normalfags will eat it up because on gamepass it's "free"

>>714286735
>Literally nothing but Kinect trash a collection and SoT
Holy grim.

>>714274503
This. They are RARE in name only. Any talent they had left more than 20 years ago for fuck sake.

>>714273975
It's also the only successful rare game since the acquisition

>>714289324
to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to appreciate viva pinata.

>>714288617
F-Zero had 99, which was I liked though I didn't play it that much. That's something.

>>714275198
>Hot black lady and a funny talking chimp.
Kind of a shame this is dead, but frankly they'd find some incredible ways to make it dogshit if it ever came out.

>>714281319
>koopaling
You don't seem to respect Rare either...

>>714278221
Spyro

>>714288070
>Then it becomes a question of who even develops these games?
>Ultimately Nintendo would need to outsource development to 3rd parties for most of these IPs
I’ve heard they’re supposedly looking to address this with the building of that new office building. They’ve been expanding all-around and even said as much that it’s so they could make more games in-house

>>714276142
I wonder where it all went wrong

>>714290998
probably realized they didn't make a fun game and made a lame and gay social hub with no purpose.

>>714273721 (OP)
>Never heard of it + female MC
Oh well, no big loss

>>714276447
There is nothing wrong with that, but you have to be a bit aware of what your target audience wants. That's how the market works everywhere.
>starts as a steak house
>everyone loves your steaks
>hire a bunch of vegan woman and now you don't like steaks anymore
>now you're making salads
>wonder why things are failing
Sometimes even if you don't like your product anymore, to make money you have to keep making it

>>714291359
bot post

Palworld beat them to the punch despite the smaller budget and dev time production.

>>714291645
And Palworld actually has an attractive aesthetic.

>>714273721 (OP)
Listen, with the way Sea of thieves is, I already has very low expectations of this game

>>714291873
What's wrong with SOT and why do normalfags continue to eat it's slop?

>>714287115
>Conker
Remember that HILARIOUS E3 trailer for Project Spark, a game that's fondly remembered to this day, that featured Conker? That was the biggest "fuck you" I've seen to fans.

>>714274614
AAA development seems like paid daycare for purple hairs. The industry really needs to shed the fat

>>714292026
It's just not very fun, especially solo. A lot of its content relies on player interaction but it mostly just boils down to trolling and killing others. Normals like it since it can be a chill friend slop game all running a big ship, but most people will literally only play it once and then never again

>game journos teasing more bad news for Rare
Uhhhh Rarebros?.... I don't feel so good.......

>>714292026
It's basically a casual game.

>>714292842

Wuh oh.

Rare died back when Microsoft bought them. The all time legacy greats like Atari and Rare and Bungie all had their deaths, time to move on.

>>714280024
>Retro is the only studio that makes good games for Nintendo at this point
lol, lmao even, Retro doesn't even make games anymore, how long has it been since their last game, like 11 years?

>>714293117
They shipped Prime 1 HD in 2023.

Retro's post TF was a fucking mess though. Project Harmony looked like shit from the conceptual level. They need to be under Nintendo's heavy supervision to get any good work done.

>>714292904
Heard this from Banjo

>>714292842
Banjo & Kazooie will both be publicly executed via lethal injection during a live broadcast tomorrow at 9AM PST

>>714275360
>>714274174
https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-admits-marathon-feedback-has-been-varied-but-insists-it-will-avoid-repeating-concord-mistakes-and-commits-to-launch-by-end-of-march-2026
The link says it all even if you don't give IGN views.
They are committed.

>>714273721 (OP)
That sucks, I like fantasy animal games and this was on my Keep an Eye out radar. I wondered what happened...
>>714276142
Oh....

>>714292842
How much of current rare is even old-rare?
It already feels like rare died ages ago.

>Be Rare
>Get bought out by MS
>At first you try making the kind of games you originally made
>None of them sell
>The one Banjo game you did make (nuts and bolts) is still divisive even to this day
>Do virtually but shitty waggle games and SoT
>Your only other project is now canned

>>714293793

I think just Gregg Mayles. Thats it.

>>714279856
Uhh, anon, Rare never had a chance to publish most of their in-dev Gamecube games. Many of them were cancelled after the Microsoft buyout. Conker 2, Donkey Kong Racing, a platforming version of Grabbed by the Ghoulies, a better Perfect Dark Zero, and more were all scrapped. The Gamecube would've looked a lot more appealing to prospective buyers had Rare stayed with Nintendo, at least for a time.

>>714273721 (OP)
Funny I was just thinking about this game the other day. I don’t remember what jogged my memory about it and I couldn’t remember the name. Just “whatever happened to that game Rare was making? Wasn’t the teaser trailer like 7 years ago?”

Guess it never got further than that

I don't think anyone even knew what the fuck kind of game Everwild was. I doubt even the devs knew. Microsoft announced a whole bunch of stuff years ago and none of it released, so what the fuck were they doing? Even layoffs aside Microsoft's gaming division has been beyond mismanaged. I guess that's what happens when you put Indians in charge, lmao.

>>714275198
>been in development so long that Ubisoft went from “decent developer” to “do not ever purchase if their name is attached to it”

right up there with Bioware and Actiblizz

>>714273721 (OP)
i was one of the 2 people looking forward to this , i liked the art style

Kameo 2 when? I need to free my abused fairy waifu from the bottom of the lake.

>>714274614
>as a part of broader layoffs within Microsoft
lol
lmao
this had nothing to do with MS finally cleaning house.
Everwild was never going to see the light of day.

>Project dark canceled too
I know Rare wasn't working on it anyway but grim, that trailer looked rough as fuck western studios need to get their shit together

>>714292146
"guess we gotta MAKE OUR OWN"? that conker spark episodic thing was never even finished. but hey, it was better than young conker

>>714295264
We're on it sarr

They're most likely getting rid of staff/studios that wasted millions for years and had fuck all to show for it, that and the post covid bloat.

>>714273721 (OP)
fuck rare. What were they doing with everwild for 10 YEARS

>>714273721 (OP)
Rare was never good

>>714296019

Nothing. Six or so of them were dicking around trying to figure out what it is, apparently.

>buy a bunch of studios
>do nothing
>disband them
What was the master plan?

>>714292842
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sources-banjo-kazooie-sea-of-thieves-director-leaves-rare-after-35-years-following-everwild-cancellation/
Gregg Mayles is out.

The last remnant old Rare is officially gone.

F

>>714279440
>>714279718
Nintendo didn't buy Rare because their games were taking too long to make and game development was becoming more complex
That's it

>>714288070
Conker and KI never even came out in Japan

>>714296094
zoomer moment

>>714296295
Well it's truly Rare in name only now.

>in development for 10 years
>nothing to show for it
>no one can even describe what the game was supposed to be

How the FUCK does it get that bad? After the first year or two MAXIMUM shouldn’t someone have stepped in to either make a decision or cancel it right then? The fuck have they been doing for a decade???

>>714296223
Microsoft was very hands off with Rare and other studios
For all Microsoft's various faults, interfering and "forcing" Rare to make games they didn't want to make was not one of them

>>714296323
yeah i'm gonna collect all the shitty animals in jet force slopnitiy fuck off

>>714296295
LMAO! And people will still believe Rare is still alive and kicking unless Microshart spells it in big glowing letters that they are closing Rare.

>>714296295

Well fuck.

RIP to a part of my childhood.

>>714296442
>were not going to force you to make games you don’t want to make.
>wow thanks!
>so you’re going to make games that you do want to make right?
>hmmm… nah

>>714296295
SO LONG GAY BOWSER

>>714296223
I feel like they'll never say it out loud, but "buy it just so others can't have it" was a big motivator.

>>714296687
>self sabotage the industry for a decade to force a crash
delightfully devilish uncle philly.

>>714296223
the recent buyouts happened because all the bethesda, Call of duty threatened to leave the xbox platform, which is very weird to me. 20-30 million is still a lot of people

>>714296805

Scorched Earth strategy, I suppose.

>>714296805
>crash the western game dev
>China and Korea swoop in
WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>714296223
It was literally a power play version of “kid takes your ball because you were playing with it”. They took developers off the market so no one else could have them, milked them for whatever little they were worth then destroyed them

>>714296423
Rare had the moneymaker they kept running and were given the creative freedom to do everwild. Honestly should have canceled it way earlier if they still didn't figure out gameplay.

MS was far to hands off, you need someone there to bring order sometimes, otherwise its just a fuckfest of retards(or women) doing whatever they want.
The concept of Everwild's has been around for 10 years and they had fuck all to show for it, imagine the millions dumped into a now canceled project.

>>714280035
>Also it's still a decent game despite this.
It's on par with Kameo (which also had a rough development cycle) and inferior to Viva Pinata
Rare were still largely good developers even post-Microsoft but the changing landscape in game development made it so they couldn't churn out banger after banger after banger

Microshit should just have them port the Banjo remasters to PC alongside making new ones for their other legacy titles, it's the least they could do before they take Rare behind the barn.
I hope there aren't any plans for Toys for Tard to revive Banjo

>>714296223
Sony is the one closing studios left and right while releasing zero games.

the book or documentary about all this will be interesting after the fact. it really is astounding just how badly xbox has fucked up the past decade. at least SEGA's last dying first party breaths had some good come out of it before they went full third party. xbox has been a decade of nothing. absolutely nothing.

>>714297375

I wonder how much Perfect Dark cost. They called it "the first AAAA game".

>>714297518
WTF are you even talking about? This and last years releases shit all over liquid garbage like 3d sonic games and shenmue.

>>714297476
two can play at that game

>>714274218
Too much DEI so like 4 people are working on the games and the rest are pretending or causing drama. Only white and Asian autistic men should make video games, the less of the you have the worse game.

>>714296623
>>hmmm… nah
They DID want to make Everwild but ultimately figure out what to even do
That's the common pattern with a lot of Rare's cancelled games
Look at Donkey Kong Racing to Sabreman Stampede
You had this cool animal riding, animal switching mechanic......but they couldn't figure out what kind of level design would be great for it
Look at Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts' development, they fucking struggled thinking of what to even do to make sure the game was even something they still wanted to do.
The entire intro scene (L.O.G.'s dialogue, racing Gruntilda for jiggies, etc) makes so much more sense once you read up on the game's development (and British comedy)
L.O.G. was never Microsoft, L.O.G. is Rare

>>714297640
saturn and dreamcast were soul overload machines. you wouldn't get it.

>>714297407
>Microshit should just have them port the Banjo remasters to PC
or you could've bought xbox one and this situation wouldn't have happened in the first place

Actually, damn. The studio making Perfect Dark never had a chance to make anything else. Their first and only game before getting shut down, canned. Harsh.

>>714274218
that's exactly what they do

>MS laying off all these people and cancelling all these games
>343 is fine despite fucking up Halo for over a decade now

I don't get why MS lets them just keep fucking up with basically no repercussions

>>714297836
I got an Xbone just for Rare Replay, still regret it, pretty much the only exclusives on it worth a damn are from the 360/OG.

>>714273721 (OP)
Goddamnit I actually wanted to play this

>>714298304
343 is (one of the many, MANY examples of) proof that "Just throw money at it" is not the big end all solution people make when it comes to making anything.
It's proof that "Get another team" isn't the perfect solution to continuing a series

>>714298304
Because its Halo.

This is going to sound retarded since I’m never made a game nor had an interest in doing so, but why does it take so long to make a game? Why isn’t it 2 years? Why would Rare need a decade to work on one title?

>>714298598
Pretty much
As incompetent as 343 is, who would you get to even replace them?

>>714276202
To get games on track would mean they know how to make good games, but basically every single company releases after they get acquired by Microsoft is bad, Microsoft has quite literally not released a single good game made in house since the 360 era.

>>714298823
Indecisiveness. They only settled on a genre like, a year or two ago. Before that its just dicking around, trying different things.

>>714293671
Didn't know they had a date, thanks anon.
I want it to release ASAP, not because I hate Bungie, I just wish for Sony and the industry to learn not from these mistakes.

>>714298823
too much retarded ideas that doesnt work i was recently in a small project and still my team was retarded by a basic feature because my fictional data protection even though it barely contained sensible personal data and was a demo

>>714298304
343 has Halo. And MS put too much resources into 343 to ever fully get rid of them. Even if that would be all Halofags biggest wish at this point

Even Infinite which was 343's closest effort to making a bungie type Halo was a shitshow, but at least it's not Halo 5 I guess.

>>714279323
I am excited for Grounded, but Outer Worlds 2 being that expensive while looking mediocre has me worried that it will flop and they will gut the studio.

>>714298823
>MS hands off
>No real direction

>>714298823
Because they have no talent left at the company, which leads to an absolute lack of sight on what a game should be.
Basically the problem is that they're inventing the game as they go instead of having a clear vision of what the game should be, which always ends up in constantly redoing the same parts of the game and endlessly adding new features without ever getting close to the finish line, and this basically means when the publisher forces them to release something within a year or two, they've got to rush everything up and release a broken piece of trash that they'll need to fix in the next year or two.

inb4 they kill Blade too.

>>714275689
good guess and i agree, fables been quiet lately so microsoft already was likely leaning away from it.

>>714299595
After the movie got axed it's a given.

>>714281898
I actually jerked off to her as a kid. Right there in the living room.

I hated her redesign in nuts and bolts.

>>714299924
Well Mummy De-mastered still got made despite how the movie performed.
Terminator 2D: NO FATE is coming out in September despite Dark Fate being bombing at the box office.

>>714300416
Terminator is evergreen. Blade was no doubt greenlit to cash in on the movie. Which will probably never happen now.

>>714296295
I'm surprised he stayed that long. damn it has to hurt seeing something you built up crumble like this

Well Halo is too important to be cancelled but I wonder if they are gonna be another "fuck around for 5 years and reboot it twice".
>>714300531
And then what...close Arkane for good?

>>714298304
I wish I could fuck up at my job this consistently and still be employed.

>>714288314
>Next Level Games could probably handle creating a new Perfect Dark or Killer Instinct.
After Federation Force, I think they should probably just stick to Mario spin-offs.

>>714274087
>I think this was announced 2017?
You say that like the average dev cycle isn't like 10 years these days

>>714273721 (OP)
The last barely interesting thing from the Xbox announcements, wasted like that like it didn't matter. Grim times...

>>714296295
just rip off the band-aid and close the studio already you demons

>>714301532
Hopefully.

>>714302306
It isn't, it's still 6.

>>714296295
>selling off to MS was the worst outcome in the end

>>714273721 (OP)
Justify keeping this alive, from a business perspective.

>>714276016
Just think that the most "original" thing the industry brought in the past ten years is a game where you basically walk aimless over empty spaces and pissing everywhere.

This is call of duty under Microsoft btw

>>714302940
Fortnite?

>>714303087

Awww, they wanna be Fortnite so bad...

>>714302231
After Battle League, I think they should just stick to Luigi’s Mansion

>UNANNOUNCED BK GAME CANCELLED
>UNANNOUNCED BK GAME CANCELLED
>UNANNOUNCED BK GAME CANCELLED
IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE
FML

>>714304191

Good friggin' grief.

>>714304191
i'm going to guess they maybe tried to remake the first game again and it just never came together.

>>714302156
mcc eventually turned into a decent product but it took a few fucking years. good god 343

>>714304191
Man, what does Microsoft even do anymore?

>>714303087
Why do they never do crossovers with their ownfranchise? You know like...HALO.

>>714304191
>Gregg Mayles resigning
Good fucking riddance. Literally sat there doing fuckall before just focusing on his shitty generic pirate game.

>>714304851
cancel games and shut down studios.

>>714291395
...Did you get this from somewhere? I'm not complaining but I swear I heard this specific analogy before.

>>714291865
Not really though

>>714298823
Interviews with former staff confirmed that Rare worked better under Nintendo due to the ridiculous deadlines and competition among the dev teams. Other interviews confirmed Microsoft gave them too much freedom. Kinect wasn't forced on them, they WANTED to work on it. For years they've just been scribbling down ideas for sequels and revivals and doing absolutely nothing with them.

>>714273721 (OP)
microsoft buying rare was truly the biggest fuck up in gaming, buy a company that was on fire and then they fester for about 2 decades of mediocrity before finally being put down

>>714273721 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfaN267lI_Y

>>714304851
nothing.
thats why they bought all those big name studios.
those studios already had established IPs and now they(MS) are just piggyback riding on them so they dont have to make any more games with their own studios.

>>714277391
>Wow, this game looks great!
>This might just be exactly what we need to change the public's opinion on ugly brown female protagonists!
>This could save AAA games and cause a cultural shift that finally makes our audience align with our values!
>This is the lightning in a bottle we've all been waiting for! I'm going to call an emergency shareholders meeting right away to share the good news!
>Yes, hello everyone, effective immediately we're going to wind down our operations with Rare. We're cancelling Everwild and making sure a couple of our staff members will never work in the industry again. No, I can't explain why right now, just trust me, we need to put a stop to this immediately.
Thanks Phil, you are the hero that gamers deserve. Woke games can't be allowed to succeed.

>>714304191
Sneak King bros... not like this

>>714304851
They introduce videogame-medium destroying business practises. Like they always have.

>>714306350
ok that made me laugh

>>714276510
>Kameo
I think it would enter in the same cult status of Jef Force Gemini
>Viva Piñata
Never played, but from the videos I saw, it has a bizarre artstyle and gameplay. I would've been enthusiasts, but I don't think it would be remarkable
>Nuts and Bolts
I think it would be more like a brand name than quality of the game itself. Tooie is already weird by the first game standards, but it still sold decently for a late Nintendo 64 game.
>Miliary shooters
Rare basically reinvented the console shooting genre with Goldeneye and improved sensibily with Perfect Dark, so I think they would have success if they insisted a little more.
Of course Martin Hollins and the responsibles for the games weren't there anymore, but I think they still had the ability of doing something decent, because PDZ certainly wasn't that.

>>714305845
>Game was well received and a good PR win for Xbox
>Kill the studio behind it
Why?

Everwild looked like shit ever since the first trailer was just a bunch of forest trannies dancing around a fox. It should've been cancelled years ago when they literally couldn't even figure out what the game even was.

There's this thing I noticed I like to call "The Rare Epic Fantasy" which is a common motif I've noticed throughout their development history
>Project Dream was supposed to be their take on Fantasy RPGs of the time but became Banjo-Kazooie
>Dinosaur Planet was supposed to be their big fantasy epic but became Star Fox Adventures under suggestions by Nintendo to which they agreed thinking it'd be better for business
>Kameo underwent a rough development with constant changes and came out trying to downplay anything that might've been too alienating (i.e. the fairies were now "elves") and yet still came out the closest to Rare's initial vision
Lump Everwild in that mess now I guess

>>714275249
What the fuck, but I did nothing!

>>714307917
You have a point there...I think Rare just wanted to make a really big fantasy RPG but keep getting either cockblocked or sidetracked into making something else every time. Guess it'll never happen now though

>>714304851
Hire indians lmao

I would assume they have not shut down Rare just because Sea of thieves exist

>>714307824
Years ago Phil said Tango's job was to help them sell Xbox in Japan. That never happened and I assume he was already planning to kill them way before HFR's release ("gotta cut costs and protect my yearly CEO bonus").

>>714273721 (OP)
Oh no another gay female protagonist with non threatening brown people art style isn't going to come out nooooo

>>714304191
>Unannounced Banjo-Kazooie game cancelled.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

>>714307970
Tch, dammit!

SOMEBODY STOP HIM! HE'S JUST SITTING THERE...MENACINGLY!! HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS! SOMEONE MAKE HIM BUY THE SLOP!
Don't you know people's jobs are at steak!?

>>714309282
after nuts and bolts you wanted more?

>>714309453
Mmmmm, steak.

>>714307917
That makes a lot of sense. If I wasn't so lazy I would steal it to kickstart my career as a gaming essayist on youtube.

>>714304898
He was directing Everwild.

>>714309520
Well, not if it was going to be more of what Nuts and Bolts was.

Gaming is unironically healing. What will emerge from the ashes of this will be stronger, purer. It might even, dare I say it, be fun

>>714309979
lol

enjoy your mtx filled online only multiplayer slopfest zoomie. you asked for it.

>>714309530
I might go for steak dinner now to celebrate limbillions will go jobless and bankrupt.

>>714304191
Good.

They probably would have introduced Bottles' tranny nephew and used Mumbo Jumbo to rant about imperialism or something. And then the game wouldn't even be a platformer.

>>714309631
I'd do it but becoming a YouTuber would feel like selling my soul and I really hate the sound of my voice

>>714310076
Well those gotta die too and their day will come.

>>714310304
>Well those gotta die too
they won't since all zoomies, and millennial normalfags only play multiplayerslop.

>>714310186
>And then the game wouldn't even be a platformer.
That was nuts and bolts circa over 10 years ago

>>714309979
more like more nigger or better yet POOOPJEEEEETTTTT

>>714273721 (OP)
When the last screenshot looks gay like this, why are we supposed to feel sorry?
On first glance it looks like a live service game with girlbosses and pokemans

>>714273993
>Imagining Nintendo slopfying Banjo just like they did DK and Zelda.
Thank god, at least one good thing came out of MS buying Rare.

>8 years of "development"
>game nowhere near done
>"devs" spend all their time on bluesky crying about gamers and chuds
>NOOOO HOW COULD YOU FIRE US AND CANCEL THE GAME

>>714296687
Funny you say this but I just watched a thing about the collapse of nortel and thats pretty much the exact cause of the collapse of the entire north american comtech industry. Has this mentality ever worked out ever?

>>714273721 (OP)
it was gonna be fucking shit anyway so really nothing was lost

>>714273975
>will not be allowed to make anything else
Games don't get cancelled because they are too amazing and are making too much development progress, you dolt.

>>714273993
Nintendo saw the writing on the wall more than anything. Hell they were the ones who killed Banjo. Which is this a rare case where the developers kill the ip and not the publisher.

>>714313019
>a rare case
>rare
hahahaha

Never put the word "wild" in your games title.

>>714313428
Outer Wilds

>>714298823
Hiring the right people is extremely difficult. Hiring the right people gets impossible when you have to start taking race, gender and sexuality representation into account.

>>714304191
pretty sure they were all working on that gay tranny everwilds game

>>714313428
>You look like a good Joe

>>714313281
When you think about it, Rare was like a child with adhd back in the 2000s.

>>714314065
Anon, I was laughing because of your unintentional pun

>>714314147
Oh I know about the pun. I was gonna capitalize rare but decided not to. I'm just pointing it out.

>>714273721 (OP)
is it fucking impossible to make AA game for gamepass in 1 year with reasonable budget? wtf are these devs doing?

>>714273721 (OP)
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sources-banjo-kazooie-sea-of-thieves-director-leaves-rare-after-35-years-following-everwild-cancellation/

>>714273721 (OP)
Was over 23 years ago

>>714273721 (OP)
Par for the course with Rare to be honest. Now we get to see firsthand why Nintendo didn't want them after the 5th gen.

>>714306350
BASED, a sequel would never live up to the original.

>>714314796
Devs don't want to make small games anymore, everything needs to be the next big thing even if it takes 10 years to be released.

>>714314796
>wtf are these devs doing?
doing races with their office chairs

>>714273721 (OP)
Based Microsoft, all these games were fake anyway. They were slices sold to Microsoft while they just stole money and funneled it down the drain

>>714279473
Not an ounce of testosterone

>>714276016
>meanwhile nintendo is now making a game in the style of rare's classics
nigger what?
its odyssey 2, and barely has anything to do with dk

>>714292842
Being a Rare fan in 2025 is like being a fan of a baseball player that retired 20 years ago, like damn dude they arent playing anymore what are you a fan of?

>>714309979
the only thing thats gonna come out of this is xbox trying to make more live service games work

>>714313428
sauce?

>>714275249
Please be Fable,please be Fable

>>714304851
Exploit the US economy by abusing the H1B system and hiring shitloads of Jeets

>>714316420
>its odyssey 2
Outside of the UI design and the game having very similar rendering as a result of the presumably shared/similar engine. It really doesn't look that similar to Odyssey at all.
>b-but you collect banandium gems! like you collect moons in odyssey!
Except the bananas don't appear to be treated like Odyssey's moons. The movement options don't appear similar to Odyssey's movement options. And the combat appears to be completely different from anything from Mario.
If anything it looks like Banjo Kazooie X Wario World. And that's not a description I'd give Odyssey.

Also the character designs of the silly NPCs and whatever is extremely Rare-core.

>>714315795
that's a completely wrong mindset for netflix type service. you need steady content drip to keep subscribers happy so making bunch of short 10 to 15 hours AA games fits this strategy. you can have a few expensive stranger things blockbusters occasionally but this is the niche call of duty fills like no other game. these devs are just retarded or they're not real devs at all but far left DEI activists sucking the corporation dry by making never ending slop.

>>714313428
Breath of the Wild?

>>714316441
Nostalgia. If you asked me today if I was a fan of Rare, I'd still say yes, despite having not played a release in two decades. Their Kinect shit will never override DKC, Battletoads, Wizards and Warriors, Perfect Dark/Goldeneye, Banjo, etc. And the sports analogy does work because you ask any sad Phins fan who their favorite QB is, they'll tell you Marino. Or Gayder fans still lamenting the days of Madden.

>>714276142
I'm sure he meant playing with the concept idea of Everwild.

>>714276142
Women????

Being able to do a shitty job for 5 years and get paid for doing it seems nice. Yea, you get fired after but who gives a fuck

>>714279440
The reason they weren't bought was because sales were declining, several games were delayed, and Rare didn't deliver anything for the GameCube launch.

>>714285774
Uh oh https://x.com/Wario64/status/1940477552432500951?s=19

>>714296295
rare dissolves within 10 years

>>714273721 (OP)
Given the state of Twycross over the past fifteen years this is a mercy killing.

>>714320040
Rare is just a name without meaning, like Bioware

>>714320040
haha, i give them less than 5.

>>714281584
>11 years of development
That's over two Second World Wars in duration.

>>714276142
Telling people that they're evil if they notice the correlation between a high amount of female devs and shitty games with broken development cycles won't make the problem go away.

We have zero obligation on any level to play any game for any reason, BTW. The only thing that matters is whether the game is a game that we actually want to play.

>>714296295
>Gregg Mayles is out.
Fucking hell

Pouring one out for old rare with this classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgtAXCaSlpk&list=PLuCZVGSPkGdFbyGs7bh71ayDtgXBfsxbw&index=1

>>714304191
>UNANNOUNCED BK GAME CANCELLED

>>714304191
Who was the dev?

>>714304191
lol at anyone thinking this wouldn't have been a dumpster fire. Rare oldguard has been gone for decades. This is not worth crying over beyond being happy we didn't see how bad they could fuck up.

Totally forgot that they even announced this thing. They really need to fire Phil Spencer, he's such a fucking retard. So are all of the people that he hired and put in charge, like that fat gay black woman at Halo studios. Firing Phil won't fix it entirely, but it'd be a good first step for a leadership shakeup that Xbox desperately needs.

>>714273721 (OP)
Sony and Nintendo are going to be the last consoles left, microsoft and their gay netflix that no one uses is going to die in the gaming industry if you are a indie studio do not let these faggots buy your studio or your IP or sell it to gamepass

>>714313428
>wild life
>updates so slowly to maximize patreon bucks
it's true

I kept on clinging on to the hope that one day we'd get a new Viva Pinata game... I think it's time I give up on that dream.

>>714279709
>>714280024
Meds

>>714274614
>part of the game playable
>development for 11 years
LOL no wonder mircosoft is cutting these games off. These niggas arent doing shit. it wont make the money back they've already spent on it so might as well stop the money sink now.

>>714280024
>never need to be tard wrangled
FEEL THE HEALING ENERGY
STONES AND WATER, AIR AND TREES
LOVE, COMPASSION, BEAUTY, PEACE
FUSING POWER THROUGH THE BREEZE
CONFIDENCE TO WIN IN BATTLE
STRENGTH AND LOYALTY SUCCEED
CLEANSE THE MIND I FEEL YOUR PASSION
HOPE INSPIRES THE LIGHT

>>714274836
>western devs
This is an industry wide epidemic

>>714323002
What does some kids cartoon have to do with any of this exactly? Unless we’re just making shit up now

>>714323537
The joke is that it looks like a low budget western cartoon anon

>>714323002
I like that we have some solid examples that not even the "good" western devs aren't immune to being retarded or sitting with thumbs up their asses. Like I wish Retro was perfect, but this game and the fired writer for Prime 4 show they are just as prone to fuck ups. Never trust any company without solid leadership. Retro is good, but it is obvious that is only because they have to be with Nintendo breathing down their neck.

>>714288759
Yes. Meanwhile these other studios have gone on for the better part of a decade without even a vertical slice to show

>>714323537
>he doesn't know

I can't believe it wasn't cancelled ages ago. When Phil Spencer posted that thing like a year ago saying he was playing it I was genuinely flabbergasted.

This shit was announced in 2019, before the fucking series X/S

>>714323537
>What does some kids cartoon have to do with any of this exactly?
You remember how Retro had that mystery project after Tropical Freeze and before they took over Prime 4 that was cancelled?
It got leaked

>>714288070
>Then it becomes a question of who even develops these games?
Nintendo has been pretty good at wrangling outside studios into making games for their IPs like Mercury Steam and Metroid or Capcom and the GBA Zeldas

>>714316728
Wild coming to the PS4

>>714275834
>>714276016
Considering Everwild has been in the works for 10 years and appears to be in development hell, I would put this on Rare and nobody else.

>>714277974
>"...the trailer was clearly a vertical slice"
What does that even mean

>>714296295
Reminder he was the reason why no new Banjo Kazzoie game never got made.

>>714325089
>In software development, a vertical slice refers to a portion of a project that encompasses all layers of an application, from user interface to backend, creating a self-contained, functional unit. It's a way to demonstrate progress and functionality by building a small, complete piece of the final product, rather than focusing on building out one layer at a time

>>714296295
Why are people sad about this? it's a great thing
microsoft was using him to make wokeslop, now that he's free from microsoft he can work on real video game studios to make real games
I'm sure if he applies to nintendo they'll hire him

>>714275249
>(This rocks)

>>714275249
>(this sucks)

>>714273721 (OP)
Real Microsoft came to take charge after fag vidya Microsoft turned them into an [albeit small compared to their usual markets] industry wide laughing stock
There might be hope for them. ..

>>714325552
...

>>714276142
>make minorities rich - the company
oh no anyway

>>714276016
The bigger question is how they fucked up the conker series. That is my favorite childhood game of all time

>>714277391
Temu Botw

>>714296295
This is actually a good thing because he can do new stuff.

>>714286735
>2015: Rare Replay
Hell, the Perfect Dark remaster wasn't even done by Rare

>>714273721 (OP)
microsoft buying you is the worst thing thing to happen to a dev

Microsoft's MO was always making the game industry worse from the first XBOX
It's nothing but a black hole now eating everything it can money hat.
The days of being an idiort are long gone

>>714313428
F to the sexy snake lady

IT ALL COMES
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN

>>714279473
I see 2

>>714304851
serve as a propaganda arm for the DNC

>Mfw

LOL
Phil is just Jim Ryan in disguise

imagine getting conned by phil (((spencer))) and microjew

>>714281870
Usually, they have a story to tell or a fictional world carefully devised and crafted, but don't know what the fuck to do to make it a video game.
As usual, writers and cinema students that couldn't make it anywhere littering the video game industry, and this is the end result.

>>714288070
>Viva Pianta too niche to do anything significant with.
Bro, they have Animal Crossing and Tomodachi Life. It's well within their usual stuff.

>>714320040
It dissolves as soon as supporting SoT is no longer profitable. The company right now exists solely to shit out content for it.

>>714304191
>>UNANNOUNCED BK GAME CANCELLED
>mfw

GODDAMN IT! What DOES Microsoft gaming division even have now?

>>714274614
They had to take many breaks over the years to talk about racism.

>>714306350
Actually the first thing I thought of before realizing it was banjo kek.

>>714292026
It sucks and every update made the game worse since, I dunno, season six? Seven?
>remove pvp for people who just want to kill people and not actually be pirates
>make casualbaby pve only mode so now 90% of the people on the real seas are just looking to pvp instead of a mix and never knowing what you're going to run into
>add fast travel because god forbid you sail your ship in a pirate game about sailing your ship
>add the grapple gun which fucks over actually playing the game even more and keep it when everyone tells you it sucks ass just because you can shovel more cosmetics onto it and squeeze more money out of retards
probably more, but I can't be assed to recall; I come back once every 8 or 9 months chasing the feeling of the game and play for a week just to be insanely disappointed and leave

>>714335943
>Capcom 5
>Sega games on gamecube
>Namco's mario kart arcade
things weren't so bad after all

>>714273721 (OP)
Did they even work on that game?

>>714273975
>le poor le Rare le fug le Migrosoft
Rare are shit after the Microsoft acquisition precisely BECAUSE Microsoft gives them way too much leeway to fuck around with prototypes for ages and get nothing done. This is very well documented and I'm sick of this bullshit narrative being pushed for like 2 decades now.

>>714299235
>but at least it's not Halo 5 I guess
you say that but at least halo 5 got way more content/support for its multiplayer compared to infinite, which is really fucking sad

Why not just can Rare at this point, Everwild being cancelled feels great but I know they could have gone further, here's hoping for more layoffs and closures from Microsoft in the future.

>>714273721 (OP)
bro
how much time you need to release a fucking game in this day and age
7 years isn't enough??? how????????

>>714320796
The general rule to follow with the left is that public safety and productivity ALWAYS runs secondary to optics

>Microsoft has ~60,000 software engineers
>average pay for a software engineer at MS is ~130k a year
>Microsoft is considered to be one of the less prestigious tech jobs because that's considered a very low pay
No wonder they're replacing all these guys with indians and AI

>>714337869
and they can't even get Winblows 11 stable, or fix the display bugs with windowed older games? Useless pajeets.

>>714296295
rare has been dead since microshart bought them

>>714275249
and I didn't even have to do anything