>petition reaches threshold, goes to euro parliment
>"ztop killing games, vot ze fok iz zis. *DENIED*
>all that effort, wasted
the uncomfortable truth

>>714330079 (OP)
>uncomfortable truth
No it's just communism.

Stop killing threads.
>>>/pol/

Imagine thinking the government gives a flying fuck about anybody not a billionaire, millionaire or a corporation willing to pay for their hooker drug parties. How many fucking times does it need to be said it's a big club and you aren't invited? They don't care about you at all, money for themselves and nothing for everybody else but a slave collar and a middle finger

>>714330079 (OP)
putin should extend his war across all europe so europoors are forced to stop worrying for meaningless shit.

>>714330079 (OP)
Why do you hate the concept of people owning the property they buy? Are you a communist?

website is blank now
just Vite crap

>>714330079 (OP)
denying this movement will lead to chuds into piracy

>>714330642
Screencap this thread for when the events occur exactly in the way OP described them.

Why did people think out of touch boomers would understand tech preservation in games? I think they barely understand the internet most times. Maybe it's different in the EU, but here we wouldn't trust government intervention in anything if we can. The only way to change government and laws is get new blood in the system.

>>714330769
nah, i'm screencapping your post instead

>>714330079 (OP)
>the government forced caps to be stuck to the plastic bottles they come with but consumer rights is too meaningless to them
this is your logic

>>714330079 (OP)
I'll take it over nothing at all.
Maybe this seems like the worst that can happen to Euros, but no, it can get much worse.
I know because I am American.

>>714330079 (OP)
how about stop jewing games

>>714330642
You VILL own nossing

>>714330079 (OP)
Unironically this is what will happen

>>714330079 (OP)
When will people learn that they only have as much power as they can take? Their governments won't listen to them quietly yelling at their computer screens.

>>714330079 (OP)
Europeans don't have souls so the crux of this movement should not be laying at their feet.

>>714332650
The Minority Safepack initiative also reached 1 million signatures and the Commision refused to implement anything from it. And if they care that much about the protection of linguistic diversity, guess how many fucks they give about old vidya

Mods delete this thread, it isn't video games

>>714333934
This is literally the future of gaming amerilard

C'mon EUchads 100K more and a new lolcow is born

>>714330079 (OP)
If the EU denies it gamers will dissolve the EU

>>714330079 (OP)
I don't know how gamers will respond, but Ross has said he just wants an answer to if Governments will stop game companies killing games so he can stop going crazy from it happening and nobody doing anything.

>>714336026
>initiative got denied
>new initiative to dissolve the jewish superstate popup
KOJIMAAAAA

this is just GG 2.0

>>714330079 (OP)
the absolutely garbage shill campaign here makes me hope it fails, I don't even fucking care fuck shills and your garbage youtube channels for and against it everyone is just trying to make money off of it.

>>714336217
Maybe Ross should stop being schizophrenic and live and let live.

>>714330642
How can you own a service? If I buy a gym membership do I have a right to the property if it closes down?

>>714336289
It's net neutrality 2.0. Another reddit bandwagon pushed by grifters.

>>714337117
>Giant megacorporation that makes more money in 10 minutes then you'll ever own in your lifetime
>"Yes every book, movie, game, and comic we sell is a service, which means you can buy it and we can fire it into the sun and there's nothing wrong with this"

>>714337117
a good does not become a service just because you built it with a remote killswitch

>>714330079 (OP)
i dont get it. if a developer makes a game they need to support it for the rest of their lives?

>>714330079 (OP)
Consumer rights is one of the few things the EU actually takes seriously so there's a pretty good chance it passes if it reaches the threshold, the law already exists there's just a legal void for digital content ownership

You all know what could be coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the possible consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This could be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This might not be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this may not even be the corpo vs government clash either, this could come entirely at your expense. They MIGHT fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as intentionally misunderstanding Thor like he clearly is. He may have had to go to such lengths to ignore all the valid concerns Thor brought up and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games. Maybe he was hoping there'd be a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this to bully Thor all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from something that could potentially harm devs without hearing their concerns? They've been going into overdrive to push for this and you are all being way too mean to Thor.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you think hard before you sign this. Give it some thought, and spend a day to consider what Thor brought up on the Dev side. This shit could have so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you might not be throwing away your information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time?

>>714337649
No, it doesn't require constant support, just that when the servers go down, an offline version is supplied, or they take steps to give the community tools or documentation for fans to make it functional again

>>714337649
No, but when they end support they must provide the users a way to keep playing the game they bought, be it with an offline version or the ability for them to host their own servers
Before you think that it's unreasonable, consider this was a standard practice for online pc games 25 years ago

>>714337770
>if you try to stop games dying then games are going to die
Sounds like I've got nothing to lose then

>>714330079 (OP)
I'm starting to think ross is fucked in the head with the way he wanted to make someone the enemy to make his little stop killing games crap pass. If this Thor commits suicide would he feel any shame?

>>714337770
>could potentially harm devs
I do not care if live service slop devs are harmed

>>714338790
he should feel immense pride

>>714337247
most likely nothing good happens but faggots like to think they're fighting a war against some big power by signing gay ass internet petitions.

>>714330079 (OP)
kek this 100%

>>714338934
>nothing happens
Eh it only cost me 5 minutes. That's less time than you've spent seething about it

>>714338790
>Directly responsible for the demise of notorious zoophile Maldavius Figtree
Be even better than saving gaming

>>714337117
>buy a membership for one year
>gym decides to revoke your access after 3 months
>opens a new gym down the street
>you under the manager's table: "[gluck gluck gluck] Yes, this is [slurp] okay"

>>714337649

>>714337649
Yes

State mandated slaves working in the server farm forever

>>714339495
>we are in favor of publishers ending support for a game whenever they choose
>oh btw you can't quit ending support now because you didn't release an offline version or server support yet

>>714330642
nigger, i buy a game like say destiny 2 when it launches. I should therefore be able to play it for as long as I want to given the files are stored locally anyhow
>inb4 ur a malding faggot defender

>>714330079 (OP)

People have all kinds of fantasies about this, but the EU parliament would absolutely ban live service games if they thought the people were with them on that.

>>714339956
Weird how they didn't spend the ample time they've had since release putting together a solution. This doesn't retroactively apply so there is ample time. Even more if they start now instead of waiting until the commission has run it's course

>>714337117
goods do not turn into services because you put a string on the end to reel it back in.

>>714337770
Modern gaming corporations are censoring harder than any point during the 90s, and they're doing it entirely of their own volition. No one even cares about the ESRB or PEGI or whatever any more, especially when it comes to Japanese games. Fuck it, I'll take the government intervening, I doubt it could be worse than what we have now. Anything to tie these fuckers' hands, because they only ever use them to do bad things now. The "let the game industry self-regulate" thing was a failure, time to shove the boot up their asses, they've proven they don't deserve the responsibility.

>>714337117
Then sell it as a service, and don't cry when the all the knock-on effects of law start applying.

>>714337770
why do you keep using an eceleb to post this?
especially when that isn't his fucking stance on this?

>>714330642
You can't own a service. Hope this helps.

>>714340590
Well they were services from the start. Maybe read the fine print next time.

>>714330079 (OP)
>/v/: WHY IS THERE SO MANY THREADS ABOUT (NEW/POPULAR) GAME?! SHILL SHILL SHILL!!!
>Also /v/: ALLOW POLITICAL CRUSADE THREADS!! FILL UP THE CATALOG!! CONVERT OTHERS!!

>>714340813
>Then sell it as a service,
They did.

>>714341202
how about instead we just make the string illegal, and you bitch and seethe over us doing so?

>>714337117
>how can you own a service
Well first you start a European citizens initiative. After that you gather signatures. Then it goes to parliament and they do whatever they do there. Finally they make it illegal to terminate a service in any way that doesn't meet conditions that are clearly defined to the customer at the point of sale. Alternatively they make it so you can't define something as a service if it doesn't include service
I will own your service. Now shine my shoes, devie

>>714341268
no, they sold it as a good in a market full of goods while doing their best to hide it "technically" being a service.

>>714341294
>make online games illegal
Hekin epic jokester moment, my anarchy friend *tips fedora*

>>714341268
No, they didn't. You're completely lost in the sauce if you think they did.

>>714341351
>no
Yes. Read the fine print. You're getting grumpy btw. Do you need a nap?

>>714341138
Yet.

>>714341393
thats not what was said.
damn bro are you so mad over losing your string you can't even read?

all you had to do was not be a piece of shit about this, but you guys chose to be pieces of shit.

>>714341202
If you have to rely on tricking your customers with fine print in order to sell your product(actually sevice) you deserve to get jailed and raped by a nigger

>>714341434
>No, they didn't
Yes they did.

>>714341473
>shills getting pissy
perhaps you should call in those indians from way earlier who started getting pissy and blew their cover to try and talk about how good india was?
this wont look good to your boss

>>714341552
They sold it as a game, and they made you agree that the game they sold is a service. That's not selling a service.

>>714341478
Not ever. You can't own a service. The best you will get is a lable telling you even more than they already did that "this is a service game"

>>714341495
Sure.
>>714341539
You weren't tricked. You are dumb as fuck if you thought servers and communities would last forever.
>>714341595
Sure.
>>714341641
Yes it is. The game was a service before you bought it, it was a service after you bought it. Nothing changed. No rug was pulled. Be a smarter consumer next time.

THEY ARE AFRAID
MALDAVIUS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>714330079 (OP)
I don't care. It would at least let me know the EU don't give a shit. But I doubt it, I think it'll pass because it costs the EU nothing but immediately and instantly bans all Amerifaggot videogames. Trump can bitch and whine about it all he wants, European media should be made by Europeans only for Europeans. For this reason alone I gave it my signature.

>>714341853
You owe me 200k dollars if you don't agree I'm correct. Looks like you should've been a smarter poster.

>>714330079 (OP)
Indeed. Democracy doesn't work because the politicians can just say no.

>>714341950
ancap shill is losing her temper I see

>>714330595
They'll just capitulate like they did with the nazis.

>>714341951
non sequitur AI post

>>714342017
No, we aren't. Europe will soon have it's own ICBM and Euro weapons production is already higher than America's, because we protected our core industries and did not sell them to China. Trump has no cards besides "financial products" which explains his total rape by Israel.

>video games?

>>714339956

>>714330079 (OP)
Kek, that's what going to happen. It will be so funny

>>714342142
Reading is hard for faggots like him, please understand.

>>714342027
Truth not ai

>>714341853
>shills freaking out
damn bro the indians held their cool better than you do.
It was a good sold as a good and marketed as a good with a history of being a good but they built it to be a service they could yank away.
cry moar.

>>714342179
Nothing will happen. It won't be adressed even if they get the votes. It's retarded as shit.

>>714342124
Lol fuck off, no eurofags are gonna fight russia bro.

>>714342253
Sure.

>>714342259
then why are you here nonstop trying to shill against it?
you guys were saying it wouldn't even get the signatures lmao
you guys kept repeating bullshit "talking points" that were flat out lies.

>>714342340
You're allowed to be here. I'm allowed to be here. You gonna petition daddy gov to ban me?

>>714342003
It does illustrate the point though. I can make you agree to any action, but it's pure nonsense at its core.

>>714330335
Based ubisoft

>>714341678
>>714341853
Games are not services. Some games are serviced but the games themselves aren't services. Look up the definition of service

>>714342435
>shill so mad he has to invent a new thing to cry about

>>714342487
I didn't know disagreeing to an ancap shill carried a fee. the first online game COD W@W I played in college I knew would eventially shut down. It's so fucking obvious dude. Even a child would wonder "what happens if people stop playing this game"

>>714330557
You're just thinking about America

>>714342179
>>714342259
>>714342435
Hey, Thor! Didn't know you posted on 4chan. Just want to say that I'm glad you lost your job as a publisher for a game and I hope more losses follow for your faggot ass.

not in the EU but i did my part

>>714342630
Sure.
>>714342584
>Games are not services
Please stop lying. Games can obviously be services. An entire genre called GAAS exists.

>>714330079 (OP)
Gee, the demoralization campaign from corpo bootlickers went from "it will never reach 1 milli" to "w-well, the government won't care!!!" really quick....

>>714342713
Even a child would've known disagreeing with me costs 200k dollars per instance. I typed it out clearly. It's not even fine print. You wholeheartedly agreed to the terms.

>>714342713
>the first online game COD W@W I played
Ah that explains it. You're too young to know the world that sold games as a product

your reminder that the majority if not all of the shills/spammers trying to kill these threads are part of leto's cabal

>>714342803
Meds

>>714342813
Games are just data. Service requires real time labor. Look up the definition of service

>>714342857
>w@w in college
>kid
I'm 37. How fucking bad is your math?

>>714342936
I did and games can be services under all those parameters.

>>714337247
That one was even funnier, because it was just ISPs realizing they could squeeze giant corpos like Netflix a bit if they wanted, and all of the megacorps successfully brainwashing their users into getting mad about it.

>>714342874
>bumping your thread with discussion
>kill
I'm doing you favor out of boredom, ancap shill

are you winning son

>>714342820
What's gonna be the next state?
>w-well, the government did care but they won't fuck the corpos that much...
>sure they really fucked up the corpos but they'll just use some loophole
>w-wait, what do you mean the poor billion dollar corpos are getting sued for abusing loopholes? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAVE ME FERRETFUCKER

>>714330079 (OP)
You touch ferrets without their consent.

Progresses has grounded to a hault in the last couple hours. Its over.

>>714340575
>>714342142
>>714342203
They aren't actually in favor of developers quitting whenever they want then. In fact, that's their entire complaint in the first place.

>>714343143
it'll be like steam refunds where every just agrees it was a good idea and the retards that said otherwise slithered back into their shill caves

>>714343232
it's 11PM-1AM in the EU

>another group of ancaps shills defeated by me
Send the next wave.
ggez

>>714343307
where do you live that you get timezones so wrong

>>714336289
GamerGate 1 led to Trump
GamerGate 2 will lead to ???

>>714337483
it does actually

>>714339495
People pushing for this are just technically illiterate. Making a company not brick their game when some DRM server shuts down is one thing, but for a large live service game that’s been doing regular releases for years, the backend is dozens of machines doing unrelated things, different databases, written in different languages… you could task 500 employees on “make our backend a single runnable on a consumer machine for an offline mode” and it would be a miracle if they could do it in three years.

>>714330818
Because EU has been solid on forcing (mostly Burger) companies to comply on pro-consumer legislation. They kvetch and complain, but comply nonetheless. See Apple and USB-C

>>714343420
shit site gave me the wrong times, it's 4AM-7AM

>>714343514
>large live service game that’s been doing regular releases for years
not retroactive, try again sweetums

>>714340826
>WTF dude why are you slandering in my ecelebs name? Not cool

>>714343514
>retard claims people are technically illiterate while being an actual illiterate

>>714343514
I'm a technically literate game developer and you're wrong, even the most complex online games like MMOs could easily have server software released

>>714343605
reminder that EU forced Apple to let people download apps from places other than the appstore and apple made sure to geolock this feature to the EU

pirate software insta deletes the word "maldavius" on his channel, kek.

>>714339495
not surprised scrolls is dead, never heard anyone mention it ever other than when they were giving out minecraft capes for it

>>714343242
Oh well, they'll just have to deal with it. Developers don't decide when games get shut down by the way
>>714343020
Multiplayer server hosting is service. Microtransactions are service. Player bans are service. Cloud storage is service. Sales are service. Videogame is... where's the service? How am I being served when I'm just running a program on my system?

>>714343514
good thing it's not retroactive

>>714343605
The EU can be really based sometimes.
Shame they so cucked in other areas.

>>714343737
something the EU's going after them for

>>714343514
Well now that they know the risk they'll build future products that can cope with such challenges

>>714330079 (OP)
they will simply stop releasing live service games in EU
and Asian whales spend enough on Gacha, they don't need us

>>714343721
t. Never worked on anything with a userbase

>>714343737
Why don't they do this for Nintendo? Sony? Selective outrage.

>>714343963
You're probably a web developer who doesn't understand how simple game backends are

>>714343946
yes, they'll DEFINITELY cut out 450M people...

>>714343946
>they'll just give up the massive market that is the EU
Yeah, sure.
Just like apple stopped selling iphones in europe, right?

>>714344128
a different charger is small time compared to this

>>714343789
Any currently existing live service would be affected as soon as their next release. This would be like that stupid age verification thing that UK passed and then sites just blocked the UK. Come 2027 any game with multiplayer tells you to fuck off or use a VPN.

>>714344113
they will make more money by cutting them out and continuing their scummy business in the bigger parts of the world, yeah
maybe something like FIFA or CoD has to bend the knee, but anything Gacha or made in Asia can just keep going the same way

>>714344180
>just doing what was standard practice 20 years ago is harder than explaining to shareholders that they won't be selling their game to 450M people
Sure. Whatever makes you sleep easy at night.

>>714344128
Different market. Europoors are leeches. It would cost more to comply than to block them.

>>714344037
game backends aren't simple dough


CAM ON LETS GET SOME FUUAAARKING VOTES

>>714344414
>only example is gachashit

Because Niᥒteᥒd𐐬 and Sony don't have their own smartphone operating systems?

>>714344445
from a network architecture perspective, they are, usually it's literally just one program outside of all the payment processing / account verification stuff which you obviously don't need anymore

>>714344445
should start rising again in a few hours, it's barely past dawn in the EU

>>714344469
mobile games are THE most relevant to games being taken offline

>>714344546
post an example of one that isn't gachashit

>>714342763
The distinction between countries is irrelevant to multinational corporations. They're just different markets.

/indiagen/

>>714344645
They care about profits

>>714330079 (OP)
Why does every thread of this has an Europe/Japan hater? At this point I have to assume it's the same guy that gets paid to shit on this movement as much as possible despite never having any form of counterargument.

>>714344469
And these usually count UK as europe

>>714344224
>Any currently existing live service would be affected
No. Only future games.
>Come 2027 any game with multiplayer tells you to fuck off or use a VPN.
In my opinion I think companies would rather comply than lose 500,000,000 potential customers.

>>714344128
>>714344180
agree apple likes being contrarian to upcharge and just using USB-C what every other company already was drifting towards is just scumbag behavior

>>714344414
agree but it'll be decided on a per game basis and for most AAA wide audience the slice of the pie that is EU is still large enough to not want to pull out of that market + gachashit or companies that do might just rely on EU gamers using VPN anyways

>>714344507
seperation of concerns helps yes but connecting them all can get complicated altough this varies on how big your game is obviously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQ1sxPppV4

>>714344535
it's 6:15 AM here just woke up

>>714344369
Yes a different charger in the box is infinitely easier than drastically changing how you develop live service games. EU used to not get a lot of games in the retro era and it can happen again.

>>714344761
You're almost right.
Shills are being activated to try and shut it down, but it's not the same guy everytime, they have lots of pajeets on this.

>>714344817
>connecting them all can get complicated
not really, pretty much everything that matters is handled by a single server application

>>714344862
also has leto's cabal involved

>>714344850
>drastically changing how you develop live service games
It barely changes anything if you plan for it since the beginning.

*cries in american*

>>714330079 (OP)
Im pretty sure in the games terms and conditions that everyone agrees to without reading, that it says they can do this. Something like "purchasing this copy of the game doesn't entitle you to actually owning the game as a whole. we still own the game and we can take it back at our discretion" And its said that forever. Its only since digital games that its ever been something they can act on in a major way.

I predict itll go to a court and pretty quickly be dismissed when someone at Nintendo points out that it was written in the terms and has been since n64 daya, and everyone agreed to this when they clicked ok, and if you dont like it dont buy the games.

>>714330079 (OP)
did this happen yet?

>>714344890
you would have to decouple APIs and have a "working" fallback that you wouldn't have to have before and this does complicate things more and can bog down development

>>714344761
Entire site is full of retards arguing in every thread and your sensitive ass thinks this thread is special.

>>714344967
I'm pretty sure that if the terms and conditions state that you're a slave to the company, that doesn't actually happen.

>>714344967
most people are aware of it being in there, isn't the point to legally prevent them from just writing it in there in the future?

circumcise all frogposters

>>714344998
they literally admitted to it

>>714344996
>you would have to decouple APIs and have a "working" fallback
They already do, that's how the games are developed
You linked a video about TF2, you know that you can literally host your own TF2 servers right? All the networking infrastructure only exists for stupid shit like the economy and matchmaking

>>714344954
Americans did all the work.

>>714330079 (OP)
people putting all their effort into promoting this without using it as an oppurtunity to raise awareness on the issues IP have caused that are the real root issue but no one who plays video games is good enought a critical thinking to put 2 and 2 together so they stick to this band-aid activism

daily reminder EULAs aren't legally binding

>>714330079 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games getting ton of signatures
>The Shitty Perfect Dark game got canceled
>Thor got fired from his job
>Normalfags are wising up and shitting on Pixar and TLOU
Overall good news today, although I'm still afraid about how the console market still has no competition which could lead to game prices increasing and less innovation

>>714344967
Yeah, it says that. But it doesn't matter because the EU has consumer rights and they say that EULAs don't bind the consumer if they're written in such an unfair way.
Now, guess which one is more powerful: actual EU legislation or some EULA?
This is the power of having rights, mutt. You could have this power too but you chose to give up your foreskin to your corpo overlords instead.

>>714345143
they are

>>714344967
You know legislation can be introduced that makes such contracts illegal. And in this case since it's EU they would start fining companies that sell products with noncompliant/illegal EULAs/TOSs. Don't ever understimate EU bureaucracy

>>714344967

>>714345062
Theres probably a legal reason why it was in there in the first place and another legal reason saying theres nothing wrong with doing that. At best youll get them to put a big disclaimer as part of the splash screen that everyone already doesn't like. Like pictures of rotten lungs on cigarette packs.

>>714345158
What power? Ubisoft is yours right? The Crew shut down on your watch.

>>714345159

>>714345062
That's kind of obvious and it's a <80 IQ red herring that everyone knew it was in the contract.

>>714337770
>>714345127
what people aren't getting is that you are correct, this is inviting goverment intervention, but what you aren't mentioning is that this is to correct the goverment intervention that is IP, if Blizzard fucks up their game, the goverment will protect them and go after their competitors if someone else tries to do it, this is a band-aid solution of fixing goverment bullshit with more goverment bullshit, repeal IP, let the market create the strongest product

>>714345295
EULAs are legally binding and enforceable, they just don't override the law, like with all contracts

>>714345112
Yes because they're still riding along that years of GoldSrc/Quake engine design, I doubt the slop games that people care about now have that

Don't get me wrong I still am for this initiative because we need changes even if there might be some collateral damage and there will be

>>714345359
>Yes because they're still riding along that years of GoldSrc/Quake engine design
No they aren't
You have no clue what you're talking about

>>714345329
never gonna happen and you're retarded for think they'd magically end copyright law

>>714345428
literally the solution and every going "well thats just the way things are" deserve this

>>714345230
You make a lot of good points.
Im all in favor of making all games playable when the servers are down.
I just dont have faith that the government will do anything to help the people when they dont benefit.

>>714343605
these things are really good .
there were a lot of companies releasing shit that last less than 2 or even 1 year.

>>714345156
Other think that scares me is the whole "Visa is trying to control what you buy" which led and are still leading to several japanese companies shutting down, it's such a dystopian thing that I'm surprised it hardly gets brought up. Also a Korean company bought one of the biggest advertisements companies in Japan.
On another good news at least Kakao lost a lot of money, I hope they shut down so that it can guarantee From Software's safety.

>>714345159
No they're fucking not. Courts have ruled that they aren't because the length of the TOS are far too long to reasonably expect the customer to read, let alone understand because of the legalese bullshit.

>>714345463
If you end copyright law the game industry will collapse and you won't get any games because there would be no money in it

>>714345257
Reading eludes the frogfag.

>>714345472
credit card companies don't need to fund your pedo games sorry.

>>714345513
just like there's no money in steam cause you can just pirate it all

>>714345513
there's no copyright anymore. pirate everything and then say you're using it to train AI.

>>714345269
kek, EU solutions can be annoying. like the fucking bottle caps

>>714345329
The market has already failed to preserve games and art. Try something new.

>>714345483
In some cases, yes
In other cases courts have ruled in favor of companies suing for the user breaking the terms of the EULA

>>714345513
>If you end copyright law the game industry will collapse
Now I want to end copyright law.

>>714345421
Most games now aren't built with this foresight of oh we need a dedicated server but they just throw in P2P to reduce costs. Recently they just shove in the Steam P2P backend but what if Steam one day goes down? Is that legally enough to provide those binaries?

>>714345464
>I just dont have faith that the government will do anything to help the people when they dont benefit.
understandable but there's already precedent with the eu getting apple to be more pro-consumer

>>714345552
goverment violence, oh wait you already have that

>>714345547
If piracy was legal Steam would be over

>>714345513
Who made Tetris though? What country was he in?

>>714345560
Are those courts you're talking about in the US or in the EU?

So uh, what games are you hoping this movement will resurrect anons? Even if its a shot in hell. Always wanted to try the proto MWO.

>>714345605
yeah cause all these pirates got caught and are in jail right now paying off their fines

>>714345575
>Most games now aren't built with this foresight of oh we need a dedicated server but they just throw in P2P to reduce costs
Completely untrue, once again, you have no clue what you're talking about

>>714345635
Yes

>>714345636
It's not retroactive so it only affects future games.

>>714345636
It's not retroactive.

>>714345605

“We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable.”
- Gabe Newell

>>714345605
these arguments are weak cause at no point in history have we seen how the market works without IP governing how everything is made, released and allowed to exist so its all just bullshit conjecture, woman behavior honestly "yeah maybe we don't know but it scares me so just do as we have okay?"

>>714345513
>If you end copyright law the game industry will collapse
Good

>>714342017
lmao, putler can't even win a war against a European proxy let alone all of Europe.

>>714345719
Do you know why Steam provides a better service than pirate platforms? Because Steam is legal and piracy isn't

>>714343784
S-s-sure.
OH WAIT FUC-

>>714345660
You keep saying that I'm wrong but provide no evidence. Anyways like I said I'm for this initiative and I assume you're too so I'll just leave it at that.

>>714345726
>at no point in history have we seen how the market works without IP governing how everything is made
If you have some basic common sense you can see that once IP laws were gone then people would simply resell games online with their own Steam-like platform and charge cents for video games because they'd still be making a profit because they'd only have to pay for bandwidth and that's it

>>714345698
>>714345706
I know, but hoping that this initiative will at least give old devs the balls to give up server code and not get legal pushback.

>>714345836
How do I provide evidence? You know that you're making shit up

>>714345771
he got taken out behind the shed by his boss...
F

>>714345842
People would still make some games even if there wasnt a profit motive. Look at tetrist, doujin games and indie titles. All the free flash and itch.io games. 4chan has even made free VN games.

>>714330595
>being this much of a cuck for corporations

Lol, lmao even

>>714345530
So you're fine with credit card companies controlling what you buy? Why are people from the US so cucked that they're almost always immediately willing to let companies stomp on them, shit on other countries for not doing the same and attempting to destroy any form of culture their country and other countries have.
They also project their pedophilia on a lot of things for some reason.

Either way how many extra signatures you think we'll get?

>>714345968
Oh yeah I'd love to live in a world where the only games we got were Tetris and Katawa Shojo
You idiot

ummm but i thought games dying was fine? but not his games lmao

also, nobody wants to kill even his games themselves, just his $
if you care about a game, make it in your spare time sweaty like the rest of the indie devs working hard ;)

>>714345976
>So you're fine with credit card companies controlling what you buy?
I'm not a pedophile.

>>714345842
thats the only argument you have, common sense, which is just normie speak for saying "i'm oversocialized and that group consensus beats reasoning and critical thinking" the truth is post-IP markets are unmapped and a neccesary push to see what we're really capable of producing without the limitations of censors saying what can and can't be done

>>714345769
NTA but I think its because of their workshop, forums, community tab, multiple version rollback, better store layout, ability to set region pricing, steam keys, that new performance tracking, the summer sales...
I could list more.

>>714344967
Funny thing is those fine print contracts can sometimes get completely tossed aside if they contain enough bullshit. Granted it depends on the judge and court but it does and has happened before.

>4:30am-7:30am in the EU
>already nearly 20k signatures today

>>714346027
No that's not group consensus, that's reasoning and critical thinking, are you fucking stupid? Did you even read what I wrote?

>>714330079 (OP)
Why would they deny it though? What would the EU stand to lose if they implemented the policy?

>>714345846
Pretty sure most devs would love to share code especially for old games, sadly they usually don't have the right to redistribute it. Even if this passes and gets codified into law there probably won't be a loophole for old games unfortunately since it's not retroactive.

>>714346018
You're obviously a zoomer cuck who didn't grow up in the flash era. Lots of great homebrew games existed. I could direct you to websites with hundreds of freely developed porn games from the last 10 years too.

>>714346041
Yeah and I'm asking you why can Steam provide these things and why a pirate platform can't

>>714346023
sounds like something a pedophile would say

>>714345647
>abolish IP law
>easy
lmao

>>714346148
cope

>>714346139
I'm 40 years old, flash games are fucking awful, imagine thinking they're a reasonable alternative to real games lmao

>>714346135
might get devs the necessary push to convince companies to let them release old code

>>714346126
Did he die?

>>714345647
>abolish IP law
That's genuinely retarded anon.

>>714337117
You get a gym membership, they give you things, training, etc.

Gym closes
Now gym takes away your muscles forcefully and any gains, and you are forbidding from training or using anything that you learn from such gym, dont dare to open a gym in the same building or anywhere else because we gonna sue you.

>>714346145
no? you WERENT asking me those things. you were being a retard or something so I jumped in.
do you not know what NTA means, newfag?
any piracy site can provide the vast majority of what steam does, stupid.
but its really hard.
so hard that even other corporations can't do it.

>>714346217
>flash games are fucking awful
You're a zoomer. You probably not even 20.
You should be ashamed of saying something as stupid as what maldavius has been saying this entire time. Eat my entire ass.

>>714346279
what a stupid fucking analogy

>>714345647
get on a plane to china

>>714346292
>any piracy site can provide the vast majority of what steam does,
Theoretically yes, but why don't they?

>>714346234
there are so many benefits to doing it i wonder if the main reason more companies don't do it is because they don't want people to make fun of their code

>>714330079 (OP)
This thing getting its first 300k signatures scared Ubisoft so much that they announced an offline mode for the Crew 2.
There wouldn't be so much pushback if this thing had no chance of working.

>>714346279
Americans aren't gonna understand the analogy because they never go to the gym.

>COMPANIES CAN'T RELEASE THEIR SOURCE CODES

>>714346312
I actually had a real computer when Flash games were a thing so I was playing Counterstrike and C&C Generals not stickman fighting games made by a single teenager

>>714346357
hard to convince the suits on it

>>714346312
most flash games are objectively shit

>>714342203
Pretty sure he's intentionally lying.

>>714346357
>there are so many benefits to doing it
No there aren't
From a developer perspective there are zero benefits to doing it, it's just a pain in the ass

>>714346369
I remember hearing someone was told by an Insider that ubisoft was shitting bricks due the Crew drama, sued by French govt for antitrust and SKG
>>714346318
But its not wrong

>>714346381
IT TOOK EFFORT REMOVING THAT PERFORMANCE HAMPERING PIECE OF SH-I MEAN THAT PRO CONSUMER SOFTWARE DENUVO OK CHUD? EFFORT THAT MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES C.A.N.T. JUST INVEST

>>714346381
>what if they run off of 3rd party dependencies they can't release, I am smart

>>714346381
Probably the most genuinely based thing EA's done in at least 10 years

>>714346381
In some retarded cases they can't. Interplay forced Tim Cain to destroy the source code to Fallout 1/2. So even if Bethesda wanted to as the new IP holders they can't. likely as a fuck you tactic from Interplay.

>>714346381
CnCGODS

>>714346357
Publishers perceive old games as competition for new releases.They want consumers to have as little choice as possible so they'll choose buying new games.

czechia's made it to over 100%

>>714346343
because its really hard?
do you not know how to read or something?
Amazon couldnt figure it out, epic games can't figure it out, GOG is smart enough to not even try
Google is smart enough not to even try, and Microsoft can't do it either.
Same for nintendo and sony.

No one can manage to do what steam does, despite throwing money into trying to do so.

>>714346403
Some stickman fighting games are better than AAA fighting games, zoom zoom.
>>714346457
Most of anything is shit. There's still plenty of awesome flash games.

do your part

>>714346318
That's actually a really good analogy but you seem generally humorless so.

>>714343946
Australia was enough to force game refunds. EU is bigger than Australia, some silly people would even say that Australia is a country in Europe.

>>714346532
>because its really hard?
It's not, there's lots of Steamlike platforms these days, all big game companies have one
Now ask yourself why there isn't a pirate platform

>>714346509
fun fact about that: one of the devs made copies of it so it actually isn't destroyed

It's nice and all but signatures aren't going to be able to tell stock companies that make video games to do anything differently.

>>714346475
>From a developer perspective there are zero benefits to doing it, it's just a pain in the ass
im pretty sure that adding drm and a billion other always online and anti tampering checks takes more time than just building a project from the ground up knowing you at some point... wont use those things

>>714346541
I better see this slut have 5 cocks up her cloaca

>>714346492
>>714346381
Its ironic that the most greedy, cunt and worst company can do it, but according to cunts like Pirate Software its "impossible"

>people ask that devs just make an end of life plan for their games so they aren't lost forever
>this is NOW somehow a bad thing
There are literal games from the dawn of gaming that got end of life support. There is zero excuse for thinking it's bad.

>>714346552
It's stupid because it doesn't map to the situation in any way
You don't gain anything from playing video games that is taken away from you when the game ends

>>714346626
We're talking about open sourcing game code not DRM

>>714346636
no website giving free games lets you download over 3mbps anyways. half the reason they bloat file sizes is to make it annoying for salty sea dogs

>>714346583
name one that provides what steam does.
>why there isn't a pirate platform
there are. plural.
man you are REALLY stupid.

>>714346529
At this rate, the only non-white countries in the EU will be Malta and Cyprus.

>>714346621
The signatures already scared Ubisoft into providing end of life plans for two of their games. The publisher fears the consumer protection laws.

>>714346632
90% of the people saying it's bad are anons paid by corpos, that's why their posts feel so unnatural.

>>714346684
what pirate platforms are there? Not like websites, like an application that you have on your computer that downloads games for you

>>714346318
Is it stupid? yes but it's not wrong. This is the consequences of turning games into a service instead of treating them like actual products.

>>714346631
there is probably some executive or shareholder that really loves c&c

>>714343514
an entire world of warcraft server runs on a core 2 duo with 4gb ram
t. done it and played on it

>>714346541
We had the power of anime on our side, now we also have the power of porn on our side.
We literally cannot lose.

>>714346708
>The publisher fears the consumer protection laws.
No they don't, they just want to look good in the eyes of the public

>>714346621
thats why this isnt a change.org petition but a starting process for enacting law, jamal
>>714346632
the excuse is when a paid shills paycheck gets cut
>>714346657
the devs that actually worked on the game code want it out so others can look at what they've build and be able to contribute to and enjoy it, the only people who would cry are suits

>>714345647
>abolish IP law
>broken English
95% sure this was made by a chink

You're talking about the people who mandated all phones must charge with USB-C by the way, this absolutely has a good chance of succeeding in the EU.

>>714346593
So wheres the drop? I want to play Fallout 2 where half the skills aren't useless and with HD sprites. Bethesda could even milk it as a remaster since that's what they're doing now.

>>714346685
luxembourg's not too far ahead of them

>>714346732
naive of you to think any executive gives a shit about open source

>>714346729
literally every torrenting tool in existence, dumbfuck.
they are platforms that let you download your pirated games.

why can't you name a platform that does what steam does, loser?
can't think of one?

>>714346714
Even then if its coming from a corpo it still doesn't make any sense because STEAM does it and they are one of the main industry giants.

>>714346783
based. Fuck micro USB and Fuck lightning

>>714346636
>You don't gain anything from playing video games
Fun, retard. Fun and joy. Like I said you wouldn't understand.

>>714346812
utorrent is not a steam-like application you idiot

>>714346541
Woah. It's that guy on 4chan that said he'd do exactly this.

>>714346784
whether it actually gets released is another question entirely, we just know that it's not lost

>>714346318
You still get to keep the experience of being at the gym and having muscles

>>714346858
That's not something you gain you idiot, it's something you experience in the moment

>>714330079 (OP)
>gets to the EU
>can we extort more money out of the US with it?

>>714346809
Maybe they're non-white too, but I still have some faith in them.

>>714346834
>retard strawmanning steam is back

>>714346860
since when did it have to be like steam?
you can't even NAME a platform that does what steam does.
by your logic a torrent tool is plenty good.
it lets you download games and share them with friends, like steam.

The demoralization isn't working.

>>714345738
Technically, putler is already fighting the entirety of the west. Europe is bankrupting itself helping ukraine. And putin hasn't even introduced a legit ww2 style draft yet.

>>714346951
>since when did it have to be like steam?
Please try to follow the conversation
Blizzard have their own Steamlike application, so does Ubisoft

>>714346924
You don't gain joy? Might wanna see a shrink about that, that might causing your problem here.

Honestly the games that are dying are bad enough that I don't much care.
BUT
the whole point of giving copyright protection is to expand the public domain. Why do we need to give them 150 years of copyright, if we can't even freely use the thing afterwards because it's been long gone? Nothing will make it into the public domain, so no rights should be given.

>>714346934
Considering most shitty online only games are from US publishers, I say yes.

>>714346942
Nigger I just got here. Also
>strawmanning
you're a fucking idiot.

>>714346924
do you gain the memory and knowledge of that entire experience?

oh, sorry, i see that you are a low iq npc who only can live in the moment without any capability for future thinking and past analysis, np jamal, keep going

>>714346860
>"Not like websites, like an application that you have on your computer that downloads games for you"
>gets response that does exactly what he said
>"UTORRENT ISN'T THAT!!!!!!!!111!!!!!11!!!"

>>714346951
Anon, you're fighting a shill. Disengage the shill and move on.

>>714346664
bro hasnt heard of torrent or fitgirl

>>714346732
I wouldnt blame him, this is probably a way to measure desire for the saga and see if its worth restarting. They lose nothing and spend nothing by releasing the source code.

I wish they released the code for Tiberium Wars and onwards.

>>714346657
open sourcing petty much would be needed in a way or another for Always Online MMO's while for singleplayers you just need to remove the DRM, like Diablo (which has offline versions for console)

>>714347002
No you don't gain it, you experience it
When you work out at the gym you get muscles, and you have those muscles in your life going foward
Fun is something you experience in the moment, you can't gain or lose it

>>714346771
>Law
Again, it's a nice gesture but that won't get you anywhere, you see how much nintendo gets away with when it comes to the "law".

>>714346632
Gaming is mainstream now, and by now i mean the last 15-20ish years, that means the entire industry is focused on the concept of line must go up at all costs. Companies do not want to spend money to help you the consumer out, they don't want you to be happy and play their games long term either, you have to play the new one that comes out every couple of years and pay $120.99 each time.

Unless you can fight them on fair grounds then nothing will change, that means money by the way.

>>714347000
Awwww did you run out of room already?
Blizzard doesnt do what steam does, invalid
Ubisoft doesnt do what steam does
So you can't name a platform,
and pirate platforms exist,
I win!

We'll hit a million today
habeeb it

>>714346475
>From a developer perspective there are zero benefits to doing it
1. Increases access to your game
2. Massive positive publicity for your game
3. Massive positive publicity for your reputation
4. Enables extensive modification
5. Provides real world code to help educate students and autodidacts
6. Can help other devs that need to solve similar problems
7. Can revive your playerbase
8. Can inspire other devs to share their own code
And on and on and on...
You're right that it could be a massive pain in the ass but it's not correct to say there are zero benefits.

>>714347040
Steam does more than download the game for you

>Kotaku is dying
>Xbox is dying
>Playstation is dying
>Thor lost his job
>Multiple Studios that were scamming their publishers for money have either shut down or had massive layoffs in the pasts 4 months
>Stop Killing Games now has an actual chance of accomplishing something meaningful in the industry even if small
Is gaming finally healing? Or is it still doomed since Nintendo is employing Jewish tactics while their competition is basically dead allowing them to get away with it?

>>714347109
Blizzard and Ubisoft's programs both do what Steam does

>>714339495
lmfao xdive. Your progress in the main version of the game doesn't translate or get you the offline version, you have to pay.

>>714342017
Capitulating in the face of overwhelming force is the smart thing to do. If you want to heroically die kill yourself.
The other 3 million people who didn't get sent into a meatgrinder will thank you for it.
>b-but then your government will be replaced with a different government
Oh no! I have to die for them immediately.

>>714347101
>Again, it's a nice gesture but that won't get you anywhere, you see how much nintendo gets away with when it comes to the "law".
great argument, oh wait, nah, an opinion of a retard isnt an argument

also, this is a goalpost shift away from you getting btfod by thinking this is just a petition, i see now, your just in cognitive dissonance

>>714347127
>Massive positive publicity
Literally nobody cares about it except Linux nerds. Barely anyone even knows that C&C had the source released
All your other "benefits" don't benefit the developer

>>714347131
so do torrenting tools. they let you share with friends and keep track of what you downloaded.
damn you guys don't know shit lmao
loser mentality

>>714347173
no they don't, which is why they can't compete with steam, we already covered this loser.

>>714347092
Isn't Diablo 3 slightly more complicated because the loot comes server side? Not that it couldn't easily be done of course, just that the offline D3 would likely break game balance or be fucked in some other way.

>>714330557

>>714347127
NOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT HOW WILL THOSE THINGS MAKE MR SHEKELSTEIN RICHER?>????

https://x.com/i/status/1940616980769525952
kino video

>>714347127
Only 1, 2 and 3 can somehow, to some degree, matter to publishers a little bit. They couldn't give less of a shit about the rest.

>>714347127
9. Modifications allow you to understand "what the community wants" without spending no effort in making surveys, paying companies for alpha testing your versions under NDA, etc.

That information can be used for developing the next product with organic information about what to do and what not to do... Also get practically your bugs fixed by your community (see Elder Scrolls or Fallout) most of the issues with the game are fixed by the community rather than the studio, yet some fixes get added down the road by observation or next titles.

>>714346632
because your a reddit faggot who watches too much star wars

>>714347238
torrent tools just allow you to download the game, they don't provide a way to browse games, to manage your game library, to launch games
Pirate platforms could theoretically do this, but they don't, you have to go through third party websites and download torrents that could have bitcoin miners. Piracy provides a worse service than legitimate businesses - because it's illegal

>>714330079 (OP)
>d-don't even try! nothing will happen!
it's afraid.

>>714347173
>no workshop
>no version rollbacks
>no community tab
>no dedicated forums

>>714347343
Torrenting platforms let you do everything you just listed but launch the games.
Man you are BAD at this lmao.

>>714347319
This is more open source stupidity, like 0.1% of your users actually know how to mod, most games have no significant modder presence at all

>>714347127
>this thing is so good that we need to make a law that forces everybody to do it!

shut up nigger.

>>714347319
Devs could literally do 5% of work and make bank from a remaster based on community patches and mods. See: System Shock 2 Remastered. Corpos are even fucking themselves over.

>>714347214
It's great that you are so optimistic but optimism doesn't pay the bills, nor will it lay down the "law" on a multi billion dollar stock company and get them to change what they are doing.

>>714347417
>Torrenting platforms let you do everything you just listed but launch the games.
no they dont, they just download it for you

>>714347450
>shills losing his shit again
lmao

>>714347474
>t. retard who doesnt torrent
its ok to admit you are a loser, shill.
you are anonymous here.

>>714347536
I torrented a game yesterday bro, the torrenting experience is nothing like the experience of using a legitimate store, you know this too

>>714347486
you are a nigger

>>714344967
>>714345062
>>714345269
This is Pirate Softwares cope. Stop Killing Games is not making a case that companies aren't clear in their terms and conditions

Ross cleared this up in the recent video responding to Thor, Blizzard literally states in their T&C that they can shut down the game you bought for "no reason" if they want, no one is arguing that's too vague for the consumer to understand, or that anyone is being misled, they're arguing that it's so hostile towards the consumer it should be illegal

>>714347319
Besides what the other anon said. There's also the fact that this literally never happens. DOOM and Quake have had their source code released in the 90s and had huge modding communities even before the code was released. And what did the IP holders do with it? They turned doomguy into some marvel character.

>>714347571
oh so you are so stupid you don't even know what your pirate platform DOES, got it.
>>714347578
cry more

>>714330557
TRVTHNVKE

>>714347624
It downloads files for me, that's it, that's what all torrent applications do

>>714347334
Okay Ranjeet

>>714347248
No, because the xbox 360 version and nowadays the Switch 2 version of diablo 3 comes with OFFLINE, you can play the entire thing except the seasons, so yeah... its possible

You can offline any game in existence, you just need to slap the calls from the server into your client.

Hell even development hells like Star Citizen used to be offline capable and they still are through modding the client, even developers constantly show that they have binaries for local hosting the entire shit for yourself to clown around... in development scenarios you gotta have every dev to be capable to local host into their clients any changes and slap the code changes into the mainframe

>>714347467
Black Mesa
Also known as Black Mesa: Source

These fuckers made a excellent game, Valve gave them extra support because most of the things source has are open source.
Valve made 20% out of the total sales of the stupid ass game with zero effort.
And also Valve hired some clowns from the development team of Black Mesa into their company, little effort in training.

>>714347658
>he doesn't even understand the most basic application of torrents
oh so you were just LYING about torrenting, got it.
next time just admit you are a loser lmao.

>>714347597
ross talks even more retardedly than piratesoftware does. and i guarantee ross is some tranny-adjacent furry nonce. he has the exact same phenotype as piratesoftware.

>>714347685
Valve games are not open source you idiot

>>714330818
>preservation
the argument is very simple
>I bought a game or items in a game with my money
>years later company contacts me to inform me that they´re removing the game and I'd lose access to what I bought
>it is unacceptable that companies can break something we bought. the game should continue to be playable without any sacrifices
there you go

>>714347720
torrents are a peer to peer file sharing system

>>714344414
all your pic proves is that europeans are too smart to fall for games that get shut down

>>714347798
correct. now think really hard about what that means and you might understand the most basic function of a pirate platform :)

>finland is 400% white

>>714347728
You can literally make shit with this. These are the tools for hosting and not hosting.
Every single MP game that valve has, comes with binaries for hosting servers.

>>714347760
heres your solution retard, don't buy the game in the first place and learn to code.

>>714347870
>this thing is so good that we need to make a law that forces everybody to do it!

shut up nigger.

>>714347868
You don't even know what open source mans

>>714347850
Steam does more than this, that's the entire point

>>714347898
buck broken nigger

>>714330079 (OP)
Honestly I don't see it passing unless they add a provision to it. Like for example maybe stopping to support it after 10 or 15 years when the playerbase reaches a low count threshold.

>>714347727
You are a NIGGER, a NIGGER

>>714347868
thats not open source, anon.
open source would mean the actual code would be available to compile.

>>714347936
no, that wasn't the point. you had no point, and just ran and ran and ran like the loser you are lmao
like you are doing now.
damn bro is torrenting THAT difficult that you can't even figure out the most basic function of what it does?

>>714347868
Still not open source, though the Source Engine is like 70% open anyway from these modding tools and even did have the original 2004 HL2 source code leaked.

>>714348004
Of course I had a point, you're just ignoring it because you're a reactionary idiot
The point is that Steam provides a better service than piracy

>>714347727

the retard game "The Crew" these trannys are crying about was online for 10 years before it shutdown. imagine complaining that 10 years is not long enough time to had a chance to play a game. what a load of niggery.

>>714348015
>the Source Engine is like 70% open anyway
its about 5% open through a modding API

>>714347870
>>714347898
Don't you two faggots agree with each other? Friendly fire much?

>>714347727
>Shit, my fellow shills are getting BTFO in this thread. How do I back them up.
>Oh, I know! I'll accuse Ross as being just as bad or worse than pirate.
You shills are so fucking dumb.

>>714348053
No, you didn't?
You just pretend to and run like a bitch.
>nothing else does what steam does
>for the longest time you couldn't even name a competitor and then fucked up so badly you couldn't even name the one closest to being any sort of rival
>you didn't know what torrents were
>you don't even know what they do
>you lied pretending you torrented
>you dont even know the functionality of a PTP file sharing system

you are just a big bundle of incompetence, huh?

>>714348083
>>714348015
>>714348004
>>714347909
Fair.
my mistake

Tho let me reiterate my point

Source is not open sourced, yet it has the tools to allow games to be fully capable to be transformed into a new thing or continue to work even after Valve dies tomorrow, like community hosted servers.

>>714348182
You need to learn the difference between your inner mental projections and objective reality because literally everything you posted is made up
Torrents are file sharing systems - that's it
Steam (and other Steam competitors) provide more than this

>>714347727
>uhhh well Ross must be a tranny pedo because he talks like a sperg
so you're just here to poison the well and appeal to observers hoping they don't have any context, like thor

>>714348080
>we gave you 10 whole years to play the game
>how can you say 7 years isn't enough for you?
>you can't possibly expect us to support the game for 4 years
>do have any idea how much it costs to keep the game online for 2 years?

>>714348080
If I bought it I should be able to play it, FOREVER, kill yourself.

>>714348227
It actually doesn't, you couldn't keep Dota2 running if Valve decided to end support for it

>>714348264
you don't even know what file sharing even means lmao
"dude it just lets me download stuff"
how can they let someone THIS tech illiterate go on 4chan to shill for them?

>>714348331
Sounds like someone is mad that their weg didn't get a million bucks on patreon

>>714346486
At least, people can try to make it work. Plus, for new games, third party dependencies will be forced to renegotiate their licensing agreement or lose their customers that wants to release Vidya in the EU

>>714348272
NTA but Ross talks like a mouthbreathing retard which is a good indicator of his general intelligence level

>>714348331
I have no idea what you're even trying to say

>>714348353
>>714348423
>saaar I cannot argue against him, he knows what file sharing does and I don't!
>well I don't know either, bloody bastard!
>get rajeesh in to support
>ok I will make up something from the list of derailments, you pretend you don't understand.

ahhhhhh, perfection

>>714330079 (OP)
SAAR

>>714348287
just download a bunch of car mods in gmod and then drive around, literally the same if not better than your faggot racing game. lazy nigger.

>>714330079 (OP)
>unhinged right wing christian fundamentalists smell culture war shit
>claim in their video that people with valid criticisms of the petition are enemies of christ
>this is a community that regularly brandishes firearms and holds white supremacist views

Europe's going to turn on this entirely in the next couple days.

>>714348449
I torrent games all the time, what the fuck are you even talking about

Interesting that the EU can make fucking Apple kneel and adopt USB-C against their walled-garden wishes but loads of guys on /v/ think they couldn't make game publishers kneel and force them to deliver server software at end-of-life

>>714348309
Not a Dota player but how much of the game is server side? Can one run community servers like with other Valve games, TF2, CS, etc. Hell you can still boot up Ricochet or Day of Defeat.

>>714347004
>the whole point of giving copyright protection is to expand the public domain
Where did you get that from? Copyright is an incentive for people to make new works on the promise that they'll be the primary profiteer of anything they publish. This is helps ensure more works get produced and published, but it does not have to serve the public domain whatsoever.

>>714348483
He is just a retarded furfag, high on his own farts and riding his dads clout until he Inevitable sperg out.


He has been a shitty ego driven cunt from the very start of his online existence.

Hope he dies.

>>714348483
>saar he knows I lied about torrenting!
>DOUBLE DOWN, BASTARD! Say you do it all the time, it worked in school for having sex!

>>714348367
No he talks like an autist which is a good indicator of his general intelligence level

>>714348367
why does he have such a large following of kids at his command though? what is his content about?

>>714348475
Who would fall for this. Theres likely 10x as many rainbow haired trannies that also support this.

What is up with videogame devs deserving special treatment?
>it will cost devs additional time and resources implementing this obscure hard thing that's been done for the last 30 years!
So what, that's what you're paid for to do

>Nooo! Deliverymen shouldn't be ordered to carefully place down a package instead of throwing it! It will cost them additional time to carefully place it and they could miss other deliveries!
See how ridiculous that sounds

>>714348367
You're right he should like a gay redditor e-father then maybe you'd start fellating him.

>>714343514
I love 4chan so much. You can just be confidently wrong like this guy, like this guy legitimately made every part of this post up in his head, then get blown out and slink away. This post was so dumb I'm not even sure it wasn't ai. This is crazy.

>>714348562
SAAAR you use wrong line!

Why do consumer rights make Americans seethe so hard?

>>714344224
>Come 2027 any game with multiplayer tells you to fuck off or use a VPN.
Lmao
>CEO:"Sorry shareholders, we have to drop the whole European market."
>The FUCK do you mean
>"Y-You know their initiative went through and now we would have to add offline mode for our game if we stop supporting it..."
>That's it? Slap it on ffs I thought we had some serious issue in hand
>"You don't get it! If people can play our older(current) games, then they won't buy our new games anymore!!!!"
And let's say it together with mr.shareholder:
>Then make more appealing games or keep up the support you fucking retard

>>714348572
I literally downloaded Rimworld yesterday
Are you having a stroke?

>>714348643
Commie seethe did a number on american minds.

>>714348643
They're not used to having actual rights. If Pepsi told them to go out and rape dogs they would do it in a snap because they bought Pepsi and as such they owe it to the company.

>>714348575
Do you think being autistic means you're intelligent or socially aware? lmao

>>714348471
No, I will or will not play the thing I bought and maintain my access to it, get fucked.

>>714348751
Would dog sex get me exclusive Pepsi merch though?

>tfw it's gonna reach 1m by the time I wake up
sleep tight bros, we're entering the good timeline

>>714348606
not for long

>>714348840
About time. I was beginning to think this timeline was completely fucked.

>>714348715
>he doesnt even realize what he is doing
lmao you fucking idiot
you are doing more than downloading it RIGHT there in your screenshot HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHH

>>714348715
>using µtorrent instead of qBittorrent
This is sufficient proof of tech illiteracy.

>>714348808
go drive real race cars you lazy nigger

>>714336026
This would unironically be the best possible outcome.

>>714348751
When Valve fucks you over, you say "thanks Valve, I need this ass fucking"

>>714348906
I'll take it as a yes for the stroke then

>>714348910
I literally do not care what it does so long as it downloads the torrent

>>714348598
He doesn't retard there's actually just a lot of people who also think consumers should have rights to keep the things they buy

>>714348910
he doesn't even realize he is doing more than downloading lmao
I can't believe it took him this long to figure out a basic fucking screenshot either.
but really this is just a pajeet who was asking for a screenshot from a buddy lmao

>>714348973
>no it only downloads!
>I don't care so long as it downloads
SAAAAAR you changed arguments!

>>714348970
Good thing I'm a GOG (and GOG-Games) user.

>>714348759
Well you're giving corpos premium deepthroating services to so it definitely doesn't make him stupid that's for sure.

>>714330557
That's just the American government.

>>714337396
It's possible to not buy the service. You are not being forced or having your rights impeded on at any point. It is fully consensual because they can sell their product or licensing however they wish and you can always choose whether you want to do business with them.

>>714337770
Rape and slaughter Lolbertarians

>>714347229
>Literally nobody cares about it except Linux nerds.
Gamers instinctively understand FOSS good since everyone knows about mods. The announcements about C&C's source also got big numbers on R*ddit and Twitter and normies also know big social number good. And even if somehow only "nerds" cared, you would bolster your reputation with your peers and earn more connections.

>All your other "benefits" don't benefit the developer
Usually game developers like when people playing their games.

>>714347310
I was mostly listing things from devs' perspective. I think there are compelling arguments to make to publishers, but it's definitely more complicated.

>>714347319
Excellent point, especially for publishers.
This is a very strong argument in favor of mod support in general.

>>714347425
>like 0.1% of your users actually know how to mod
And? One mod can get downloaded by one million people. Not every game is going to have a massive modding community, but the more power modders have to modify the game, the more enticing it is. Extensibility isn't the only factor but it's important.

>>714347450
>this thing is so good
I think so. It would seldom be as simple or easy as uploading your repository but sharing code has many, many benefits.
>we need to make a law that forces everybody to do it!
What

>>714348973
>I literally don't understand enough to know the difference
Because you're illiterate in tech.

>>714349119
>the more power modders have to modify the game, the more enticing it is.
exactly, which is why starsector has robust mods and deranged modding drama.
it is so moddable that people went into it.

>>714349036
The fact that it also uploads is not relevant to the conversation
You're really fucking dumb

>>714330079 (OP)
I know it's bait, but it's still remarkable to me how American and Indians will hand-in-hand go to the defence of every corporation they encounter. It's possibly the only trait they share as nations.

>>714349094
>expecting trannys and tranny-adjacent retards to understand what consent or rights are

how come all developers lost the technology to make self-hosted servers

>>714348915
Felted.

>>714348759
>socially aware
Who said anything about social awareness? Are you having social troubles anon? Maybe you should try putting on fake deep voice to gain some confidence

>>714348467
PewDiePie raped India into insanity
Whatever he does now they must counterseethe

>>714348643
As an American I don't need my rights to be a de facto mandate from the EU. Why did you need an American to start a petition for you?

>>714349217
publishers forced them to destroy it.

>>714349201
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
THE RETARDED POO FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHAT PEER TO PEER FILE SHARING MEANS LMAO
You had to turn and ask rajeesh what "seeding" meant, hm?

>>714349119
>Gamers instinctively understand FOSS
No they don't. Gamers do not give a shit about FOSS at all. Most of them don't even kow what it is
> C&C's source also got big numbers on R*ddit and Twitter
No it didn't. Why make shit up?

>>714349119
niggerbabble.txt

>>714349215
Everyone is an individualist, they just pick and choose on what issues. They'll realize it doesn't work that way.

>>714330079 (OP)
>just don't try bro
Nice try Maldavius

>>714349139
I googled your client and it's just an open source alternative to utorrent, who fucking cares lmao

>20k signatures before 7am
who are these people?

>>714349263
I've always known what it meant, are you retarded?

>>714349313
Me :)

>>714349217
the tech wasn't lost. the incentive (for studios/publishers) was

>>714330335
This is for like every game studio in Quebec.

The Quebec citizens paid about 40-60% of my Salary. The companies were never upfront about the percentage.

>>714349313
Aryan chads, showing pajeets and amerimutts how to actually defend your rights.

>>714349242
Getting into politics means you need a high level of social awareness to understand the issues properly
Ross does not, this is blindly lashing out at game developers

>>714349341
Damn you really DIDN'T fucking know lmao
did your coworkers laugh at you as well?

>>714349369
You guys are so easy to manipulate.
All you need to do is heckin represent one side as fighting for the man, and you get on your knees guzzling loads of cum because it makes you feel like you're fighting Thanos.

>>714349387
I've always known how torrents worked, you're deranged

>>714349119
>devs and publishers
It's the publishers you have to convince here. As you said the devs are generally gonna be on board with it anyway but ultimately it's the publishers that actually have any legal power over the matter. If the devs want it but the publisher doesn't then no play.

>>714349217
no dude it's literally impossible
ignore all the 20 year old games you can still play
ignore mmo private servers
ignore dedicated servers
ignore being able to straight up rent servers for games like conan exiles

>>714349369
This post is shit, eat my entire ass

>>714349415
That's kind of the point I'm trying to make, yes, people are doing this because they feel like they're fighting the man

latvia about to pass the threshold

>>714349470
Europeans love enforcing their will on those who are productive, it is their collectivist wet dream.

>>714349426
You didn't even know they could do more than download things until I laughed at you constantly.
I hope your coworkers laughed as well when you had to look up what the info in your stolen screenshot meant

>>714349512
ross is american

>>714349448
>Dystopia Dedicated server
Bros...

>>714347727
retarded nigger alert

>>714349517
I know they can upload and download, the fact that they can upload is completely irrelevant to the conversation which is why it wasn't mentioned
This would be like me saying you don't know that Merry is from Lord of the Rings because you posted a picture of him without bringing it up
You're really fucking dumb

>>714348309
>>714348532
You can do dedicated servers for fucking dota
https://kb.firedaemon.com/support/solutions/articles/4000086947-dota-2-as-a-windows-service
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=547453287&searchtext=dedicated+server
https://steamdb.info/app/373310/info/

Source is a shared engine. If you can dedicate server in CS2... Dota and any other game shares these because every single Source game share the same engine version and updates... And thats how people can discover leaks of HLX, because shit remains in the files.

Any coding benefit that CS2 gets, Dota shares it, same with any other source 2 game.

>>714349312
Tech illiterate.

>>714349217
A modern online game server is a collection of sql databases, scripts, vmaps, mmaps. A ecosystem basically and everything is mostly server side. The client side is your player character and the ground you walk on. Most of the game size is just a bunch of assets waiting to be loaded.

>>714349528
Did ross sign the petition 916,150 times?

>>714349578
it was completely relevant, and you still don't know what else they can do.
maybe your coworkers can help you again?

>>714349579
>If you can dedicate server in CS2... Dota and any other game shares these because every single Source game share the same engine version and updates
Doesn't mean they share all the same code

>>714349512
Why do burgergolems hate having rights so much

>>714349448
>muh p2p servers
retarded steamnigger

>>714349595
Open source is for midwit tinkerers

>>714349537
better days, lad...
>never gonna play sven co-op with the boys again

>>714349604
one vote for each of the mold spores on his body

>>714349312
>he didn't even know what qbittorrent was
this sad fucking sack of indian shit legit had no idea what torrenting was an hour ago, guaranteed.

>>714349665
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>>714349664
Ranjeet you're using p2p wrong again

>>714349638
How you obtain the files isn't relevant to the point at all, but you don't even know what the point is because you have a very poor grasp on logic and reality outside of your head

>>714349710
Not all spores have found their way to a suitable european host yet. There's still about 1.5M floating around somewhere.

>>714349724
Why would I even care?

>>714349725
You're not tech literate by using a particular piece of software bro, there's nothing technical about it at all

>>714349741
>port forwarding my localhost server is not p2p
shut the fuck up you retarded shitskin, it's why old games like ut99 have servers

>>714349661
Rights are there to protect you from the government, that's why they exist. The government cannot arrest you for X/Y/Z. You are asking the government to make products a right for you, which means a private entity (a person or a company) has to provide them for you. That's called slavery.

>>714349840
>>port forwarding my localhost server is not p2p
correct

>>714347857
You're 400% gay.

>>714349759
did your coworkers tell you to try and say that?
>nothing else does what steam does
>for the longest time you couldn't even name a competitor and then fucked up so badly you couldn't even name the one closest to being any sort of rival
>you didn't know what torrents were
>you don't even know what they do
>you lied pretending you torrented
>you dont even know the functionality of a PTP file sharing system
>you had to ask or google what it did
>you faked a screenshot showing it was doing more than downloading
>you had to look up what seeding meant
>you pretended you knew all along
>you didn't know what qbittorrent was
>you don't know why people use open source
>you don't know why people use qbittorrent

>>714349821
>I DONT EVEN CARE BLOODY BASTARD BITCH

If you want consumer rights you are part of this initiatives vile fucking base that accuses an innocent man of having sex with ferrets, which he definitely does NOT do

>>714349885
retarded brown nigger, end your life

>>714346279
>Now gym takes away your muscles forcefully and any gains, and you are forbidding from training or using anything that you learn from such gym, dont dare to open a gym in the same building or anywhere else because we gonna sue you.
The problem here is copyright law, not that the service closed down. If you want to preserve media you need to gut intellectual property laws.

>>714346536
There are good rpg maker games too.

>>714349187
I'll check it out. Sounds funny.

>>714349267
>Gamers do not give a shit about FOSS at all. Most of them don't even kow what it is
I said they instinctively know "FOSS good" because "mods good" and "open source means super mods." The difference between free as in beer and free as in freedom is irrelevant in this context.

Just look at the reaction to C&C going open source. Even if the majority have no technical understanding, they still "know" it's a good thing.

>>714349274
>BIG POST SCARY!
All of my replies were 2 sentences or less. I guess the first one was 3 sentences but still.

>>714349445
>It's the publishers you have to convince here.
Yeah, true. It's tough.

>>714349873
no, we are asking for the right to keep the products we bought.
sorry pajeet but your employer will have to package a server binary. very sad.

>>714349873
To continue, the only reason you support making products rights is because the companies "can afford it anyway" which basically boils down to "if you create enough value I should be able to skim off the top" which is an amazingly anti-human stance to take. Very convenient if you aren't ambitious enough to ever make above minimum wage yourself anyway.

>>714349927
he only hired a child to create furry porn for him, who he then traveled 8 hours across state lines to meet in person and they definitely didnt have sex.

>>714349906
no u

>>714349642
Around the CSGO era, Valve decided to stop branching its engine, so CSGO, Deadlock and DOTA2 come from this approach.

Since they stopped branching internally, the code from Half Life Alyx, Half Life 3(HLX) and the unnamed Team Fortress project (codename TF) ends up having their code somehow being present in other games, because there's no branching, they use something called "Rulesets"

Rulesets tells the engine "the game type", like a gamemode... The ruleset triggers specific game behavior like "CSGO", but you can run Dota2 in CSGO, because both codes are present.

Like Garrys mod being able to integrate things from Half Life 2, Left for dead,CS Source, Half Life source, black mesa, etc... Because the things that make them work are present in their game, its just under different ruleset.

>>714349961
By the way, buying starsector is optional. developer is a gigachad like that.
it might not be your kind of game, but who knows.
the forums have special sections for modding compatibility to help people figure things out.

finland's gotten so many signatures that their progress bar's turned from green to blue

>>714349928
saaaaaaaaaaar
DO NOT REDEEM THE SIGNATURES SAAAR

>>714349918
Do you understand that not saying something doesn't mean I don't know it, and it wasn't brought up because it's not relevant to the conversation?
Do you think I somehow don't know what a torrent is, yet I can fake a screenshot of my torrent program? How does that work in your head?

>>714349989
You didn't buy the developer's server but a limited license to use it. It is their property, they are free to do with it as they see fit. You agreed to this when you created an account/bought the game. You are bad at business and asking the government to make up the difference using force on the people you consensually did business with. You're a snake.

>>714349927
>STILL can't admit he was wrong and misunderstood what SKG wanted
I'm more disappointed than mad desu
Just say "I was wrong"

>>714349961
>Just look at the reaction to C&C going open source
There was none. Literally nobody cares. Nobody is doing anything with the code.
FOSS and mods have nothing to do with each other. Games are all closed source programs, mods interact with them, there's no FOSS in this equation

>>714349989
You're never getting online only games for your localhost. You're gonna have to steal a reverse engineered server because you're not getting a 1:1 scripted game for your pay to win scam server.

>>714350097
>It is their property. You agreed to this when you created an account/bought the game.
>>714345257

>>714349947
Now you've gone too far.

>>714350084
>SAAAR STOP LAUGHING AT ME I DEFINITELY UNDERSTOOD BLOODY BASTARD BITCH

>>714350097
>look I swindled you but a deals a deal because no one made laws stopping me from swindling you in THIS specific way
and now its no longer gonna be accepted as a deal, thief.
cry more.

>>714350147
>projection
scams are more YOUR thing. which is why people are moving to make it illegal :)

>>714350075
>sar.jpg
back to your trooncord nigger

He did nothing wrong

>>714350117
Pride is a bitch, you think any anon on here would admit when they're wrong?

>>714350210
Do you have a handler or guardian I can contact?

>>714350251
isnt this guy running for congress now

>>714350084
>>714350272
>saaar I do not know what torrent is
>its ok sanjeet I will send u screenshot say you download rimworld. program is utorrent if the bastard bitch asks
>ok I post.

>>714350210
They did not swindle you, the documentation is there for you to review before you buy.
>You scammed me by expecting me to read!
Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

>>714350210
It seems as though you won't be selling best in slot items with a server binary provided by the original devs™. Get a job.

>>714350202
Okay, so europe preemptively wipes its ass with consensual contract law, good to know they have 0 respect for their citizen's intelligence.
I'm so pwned right now.

>>714350308
>>714350353
>>714350272
>shills seething again
Its a good day to be white.

>>714350223
FUCKING BENCHOD YOU ARE FUCKING
BLOODY FUCK I FUCK YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTARD BITCH

>>714349927
I apologize that he feels upset that he fucks ferrets, maybe he should stop doing that

>>714350296
Yeah thats right I asked my Indian colleague to send me a screenshot of a torrent just to prove a deranged kid on /v/ wrong

>>714350425
They're gonna give you an empty server, basically an empty museum without a single script or a single npc in sight. Cope, seethe & dilate negro.

>>714350425
Capitalism is the White man's road to prosperity. Consensual business. Religious/collectivist totalitarianism is for desert dwellers, jeets and bugs.

>>714350463
>>714350483
>>714350494
>shills seething harder
a DAMN fine day to be white.

>>714350494
>Consensual business
lol
lmao even

>>714349873
Clarifying the scope of business at point-of-sale is all they have to do afaik. Practically speaking, that means they have to decide whether their game is a standalone product or a service game, not straddle ambiguously between the two like they've been doing. Under the proposed regulation they can shut down servers all they want if they give you a defined time frame like subscription MMOs do. Is that an unreasonable requirement?

>>714350251
Toby got his comeuppance with the DEADLY DOE DEFLOWERING. Based Matthew stays winning.

latvia's made it over 100%

>>714350131
>There was none.
There was. You can Google it and see the public's reaction.

>FOSS and mods have nothing to do with each other.
Sure. A game can be highly moddable and still be 100% closed source.
I was just explaining the high-level conceptualization leading gamers to reflexively believe games' source code being released publicly is a good thing.

>>714350531
You're gonna have to bot some shitty mmo to rmt instead. Have fun getting ganked and starving irl because of it.

>>714349187
>exactly, which is why starsector has robust mods and deranged modding drama.
>it is so moddable that people went into it
Modding has the massive advantage, that you only need to provide tools for more content rather than make entirely new content by yourself.
Even so if you add new mechanics in a simple level that could be improved overtime, the existence of the mechanic allow modders to do wild stuff. It's an infinite money glitch.

By having tools that allow easy modding and total rework of the game, you ensure that you get future developers with little training..

Example?
Jorge Oscuro Salgado (Creator of "Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul" OOO for shorts

Oscuro is known to be one of the MVP's from Fallout New Vegas as he made the emerging gameplay encounters, the faction disguise system, added gunrunners dlc, reworked the entire leveledlist and loots, created many versions of the same enemies for diversification (deathclaws) created many dungeons for the game.

And he learnt all of that by modding Oblivion. What did Interplay did do for getting that guy? Absolutely nothing. It was a total W for Interplay and Bethesda got a shitload of money from New Vegas.

>>714350637
Based

>>714350556
>Is that an unreasonable requirement?
You don't understand, anon. The multimillion dollar company cannot be inconvenienced in any way. Whenever they shit out some slop we must all eat it up and thank them for the privilege. How else is mr. shekelberg gonna buy another yacht? Think of the poor little jewish billionaires.

>>714350650
>two shills had to take a shitting break to go cry
this is why you were born to Dalits.

>>714345647
>Abolish IP law
>Nobody ever creates anything new with big money ever again because it will just be instantly jacked
>Everything just becomes superhero schlop and mickey mouse games specifically made to piss off Disney

Ehh it would get old fast.

>>714350746
>me high caste saar
>me white saar
lol, lmao even

>>714330079 (OP)
I think the most realistic and easy to enforce/implement is making game companies state that you aren't 'buying' anything you're just renting it, and making them state clearly that they can just delete the fucking thing any time they want. Not some small print buried in an EULA that you can only read after purchasing and installing, but up front and obvious. Corps will hate it because it's marketing cancer but it's less than actually making a game work

>>714350781
>mickey mouse games specifically made to piss off Disney
Considering Disney became a household name from graverobbing Brothers Grimm stories, this would be very deserving for them

made new thread: >>714350806

>>714350556
I think the problem is that different companies do different things, one company has a full live service game on a server that they will use as long as the game is profitable to run. The other will release a one-off single player rpg. I believe these initiatives will relieve the consumer of any and all responsibility for their own consuming which is very dangerous. An example of this (as europeans love to make fun of) is that american who microwaved their cat and then won a suit against the microwave company. Ungodly government overreach which increases legislative bloat and treats consumers like wittle babies that can't wipe their own ass, now every microwave comes with a plethora of legally required warnings that could be covered by using "DONT PUT ANYTHING ALIVE IN HERE".

>>714350551
Were you forced to buy the license?

>>714350709
your the one buying the AAA games in this situation, everybody who isn't a retard isn't buying them

so basically, your a nigger

>>714350830
dalits arent even in their caste system.
they were considered too worthless to be given a caste, and were thus "untouchables"
kind of like "eta," aka "filth" in japan.
the pajeet shills here definitely come from dalit stock.

>>714349313
Yeah something ain't right

>>714350951
>show bob and vagene
>bloody bitch basterd benchod
Okay pajeet.

>>714351040
>pajeet is so mad all he has left is "no u"
Sweet victory.

>>714350908
>Were you forced to buy the license?
They weren't, OpenAI and all these other companies have free reign over all of mine and your data to train their slop bots. Not once was I ever asked.

I'm off to bed now, when I wake up we'll have over 1M signatures.
Keep on buttblasting the jeets and the mutts till then.

>>714331676
and i vill pay nossing

>>714351096
ninight

>>714351072
>I'm not like the other pajeets saar
Cool story gypo.

>>714349873
>buy a literal paper book
>put it on shelf for 5 years
>publisher of book are not legally allowed to break into my house and burn the book to stop me reading it because they released Book 2 and want me buy it
aaeeeeeeeiiii slaaaaavery! Let them burn your property aaaaahh

Eat shit retard

>>714350781
That isn't remotely true and you're just a brainwashed shill. IP law was invented just to keep the plebs ignorant, and has always only applied to plebs. IP law is just a way to keep those in power in power. It doesn't actually protect small artists or anything, it just exists to protect big companies like Disney, because if someone else could use their IP, other people would make superior products and put Disney out of business. Rules for thee, and not for me.

>>714351096
mutt here, I have been the one blasting the jeets.
I feel inferior that your petition lets you get it before the EU, I am just happy for you guys.
over here if that was a thing a LOT of our retards would waste everyones time.
we got our own brand of issues, but if you get more of yours fixed some of ours may follow suit.

>>714351161
>playing mmos is literally rape
You know what they say.

>>714351096

>>714342017
eu will be a superpower by 2040

>>714351236
>forgot to put "don't" in "I don't feel inferior"
Well shit. I guess the first part ended up being correct.

>>714349094
>You are not being forced or having your rights impeded on at any point.

Yes, I am, because there's not a free market where other companies can provide the same product without those conditions, because copyright is a goverment backed monopoly that prevents that

>>714351402
You sound like an impotent GNU/tranny.

>>714351632
No he sounds like a libertarian because that's the actual libertarian argument not "erm sweaty you can't have consumer rights think of the poor coprorations" like you you faggot.

>>714351780
Shut up leunuch. You will never be a real woman or a real desktop os for that matter anywhere other than India.

>>714350908
On the other hand, game companies have already massively bloated their EULAs with dozens of pages of text riddled with ridiculous language like "our terms apply throughout the entire known universe" (see Bethesda) and none of that was prompted by a regulation or lawsuit that I'm aware of. To me that's a sign that they know they're pulling something shady.

>>714351892
Okay drop the act already are you being paid or are you just a dedicated shitposter

>>714352054
Dynamically link your inverted rotting cockhole troonix faggot.

>>714352139
Why do you hate having rights this is literally to your benefit.

>>714351310
If true, how come it isn't one right now?

>>714352215
What right you dumb nigger? What games other than always online games aren't preserved? What game can I not buy or download from My Abandonware or similar sites, you retarded faggot? You're not entitled to local mmo server.

>>714352364
Kill yourself

>>714352429
No you kill yourself eunuch. I'm not signing your gay petition or watching your daddy's gay videos. Learn how to reverse engineer from cmangos instead of bitching and asking the jews for help.

>>714352536
Kill yourself

>>714352593
The devs will release an old school version if they want. Dilate commie shitskin.

>>714352638
Kill yourself

>>714352661
Buckbroken tranny redditor. Go to your politics reddit for your dad's ama.

>>714352364
The right to maintain the thing you bought.
Here's a list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at1k7qIo5dgPp6K1aCrYIyAgNOjY-IhF/

>>714352753
>mmo server goes down
>game is dead
>reverse engineer it and the devs turn a blind eye to the project
You don't own an mmo that you bough.

>>714352753
>pays $40 for world of warcraft box
>thinks he now "owns" world of warcraft
thor is that you?