Thread 714342921

I'm going to use the now cancelled Perfect Dark'' as an example but I think the point is applicable to gaming in general. Looking at the concept trailer, what was so hard about bringing that concept to life? It's an FPS with some Deus Ex inspiration and close quarter combat. The concept trailer showed some stuff that was clearly too scripted for real gameplay but that aside, we aren't seeing anything that hasn't already been made in previous games. Why was this literally too hard/impossible to make for a development team with MS money and backing? I think developers are literally losing the ability/talent to make games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofUi9DR9sc4

>>714342921 (OP)
It's not about losing skill it's about them bringing in devs that go to school and are taught to create the most boring, generic games possible that try to reach the widest audiences and if they aren't and have a real appreciation for games then they might still get shut down from doing interesting things by higher up execs who just want money and nothing else.

>>714343104
>it's about them bringing in devs that go to school and are taught to create the most boring, generic games possible that try to reach the widest audiences and if they aren't and have a real appreciation for games then they might still get shut down from doing interesting things by higher up execs who just want money and nothing else.

And this is why I didn't go to school for game design. People close to me would say "why not get a degree in game development"? Because I'd just be a cog in a corporate machine working on a small aspect of many small aspects of a game I'm not interested in. I could see where gaming was heading and didn't want that life.

>>714343104
Of course the ignorant NEET thinks "soul" is the problem, when it's probably a management and fundraising problem.

>>714342921 (OP)
Devs can make games just fine it’s just they get the worst input from corporate

>>714343373
>"fundraising problem"
IT WAS A KILLER APP IP REVIVAL THAT XBOX WAS IN DESPERATE NEED OF WITH MICROSOFT AS THE PARENT COMPANY OVER XBOX. THEY HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD.

>>714342921 (OP)
>Are devs literally losing the skill to make games?
Yeah. Anyone who isn’t retarded like you knew this. All the skilled white guys are being replaced with unskilled shitskins, faggots, and women. No matter how hard they try. Those subhumans will NEVER ever reach the creativity and skill level of a white man

>>714343587
>All the skilled white guys are being replaced with unskilled shitskins, faggots, and women. No matter how hard they try. Those subhumans will NEVER ever reach the creativity and skill level of a white man
We're cooked.

>>714342921 (OP)
It's a demo you stupid fuck

>>714343587
Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio

>>714342921 (OP)
>Are devs literally losing the skill to make games?
Yes. Developers used to be able to turn around a game in a couple of years and now we are lucky to get one four years after its announcement. Modern devs have poor education (example modern UI design), incompetent workers are not released (niggers, fags and women), they have a adult daycare work environment (toxic positivity), they have a lack of vision leading to system bloat (open world survival crafting slop), there's an unfortunate normalfag obsession with graphic fidelity making development three times as long and there's too much money invested in projects leading to corporate micro management.

>>714344018
So turn the demo into a game. What's so hard about doing that?

>>714342921 (OP)
Booming costs coupled with high risk are the primatry factor. We're bound to see a collapse in the AAA gaming industry.

Specially for the western, in particular, american gaming industry business model.
The model that pushed the american gaming industry above the japanese industry in the late 2000s during the PS3/360 era and that continued in the PS4/Xbone, which embraced large worlds, detailed graphics, realistic physics, mocap and voice acting for everything, and tons of side content was simply unsustainable.
Because of that, each AAA game released cost more than the last. A AAA game costing AT LEAST ten million dollars became the new normal, but there's so much competition from other forms of gaming and electronic entertainment that chances of recouping costs are lower than ever before.

they do not want to pay actual talent but it's also understandable if you can't raise the price above $70.
so what happened is, Obama admin laid the groundwork to be able to hire all of the mentally furries through ESG funding and here we are

100% a westoid problem.
Japanese studios can release games just fine. Hell, the biggest issue Japan faces is that western storefronts are blocking the games Japan has ALREADY MADE.

>>714344018
learned helplessness which led to lack of money to fund said studios. white men are too divided so they can’t reach the top anymore. thats why the only people with money are jewish and chinese investors

>game in development for 5 years
>probably wasn't even close to finished or else they wouldn't have cancelled it
Insistence on top of the line graphics are seriously what's ruining gaming. Naughty Dog was able to release a AAA blockbuster game every 2 years on the PS3 and games don't look that much better these days, but everything takes fucking years to make and the budgets are so bloated that the entire model of how to profit in games has fallen apart. It effects the design of the games too, they've all become generic unigenre sloppa to appeal to the widest possible audience

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
Some have, but you must consider that the system puts White men at a disadvantage. There are all kinds of programs in place to help finance "minority" or female owned businesses and start ups but not for White men.

They've been making the games they feel gamers should like rather than the games they do like

>>714344320
This desu

>>714342921 (OP)
if anything western studios are better programmers, but they don't have any cohesion so it's them being better programmers doesn't matter at all

>>714344269
America has gone through 2 video game collapses, Japan has gone through 0

>>714342921 (OP)
Just a guess but all those modern graphics are probably harder to code than polygons and sprites. The hurdle is getting higher too.

>>714342921 (OP)
If you think devs are the problem and not the complete retardation supercluster that is American corporate management you're falling for their trap.

>>714344669
I can hate both

>>714342921 (OP)
>Devs losing skills to make vidya
Absolutely not. The more staff you put on a project that isn't devoted to physically making a game (programming, testing, level design, etc) and is instead focused on crafting the "message" (racial/sexual representation, "correct" writing, non "problematic" world building, character design, dialog, etc) the more your game will suffer. The industry's balloon in job growth over the years has focused on building talent pool for the latter while ignoring the former because a bunch of jeets can do that for peanuts.

Honestly, around 60-80% of positions in major studios could be axed (most administrative, consultive, HR, and shit) and the builders just given the task of making something that plays well and has a good loop. The cost for "making" games would drop massively and profitability would increase dramatically.

As fucked as it is, Elon Musk proved the tech industry is massively bloated with dead weight when he fired 80% of Twitter and the site effectively didn't suffer at all. While making a game and keeping a shit posting site isn't an apples to apples comparison, it absolutely proved a ton of positions are completely unnecessary to move forward. Especially administrative bullshit.

I think its because there is so much women in that industry workforce now. Before it was all guys so work was done on time, now its majority women who do fuck all, cause drama, get men to fix their problems all day. I can imagine it now, some gal asking the "nerd" to login into her Microsoft outlook account, get the mouse to work again, or get him to do some other bullshit time wasting task. Dosn't help that its a creative industry so having constant sexual temptation of women doesn't help you focus. The programmer is probably thinking about the girl he likes all day and how to get her. When it was all guys I bet it was rushed overworking nights and constant bullshiting with pranks, so high moral = good games.

>>714342921 (OP)
It's almost like western developers having mandatory DEI hires instead of, you know, actually hiring people who know how to and want to make a game was a bad idea.
Craziness.

>>714344829
>I bet it was rushed overworking nights
That's another thing. Crunch.
It's become a big bad dirty word in dev circles today but quite frankly crunch is REQUIRED to make a good game. You know Tekken 3, the game that overhauled the whole fighting game genre and became an icon? Wouldn't be jack shit without crunch. I can't find the exact link now but there was an interview like a year ago where the director Harada basically said "Yeah we pretty much slept on tables to get the game done, can't do that today." .

>>714343373
It's both. The people developing games 15+ years ago are absolutely not the same kind of people getting into game dev positions now.

remember that vidya is still a very young medium
>music has been around for thousands of years
>motion pictures are about 150 years old
>vidya is only 50 years old

the people who invented vidya are now retiring
they invented everything, built everything up from the ground, helped making the game brands and series we know today
there are still indie devs doing that good work, but AAA is fucked

AAA started out strong, trying new things and letting the devs experiment
but AAA got too big and started to focus on money instead of fun
the expensive and bland AAA movie game is now threatened by f2p gacha and cheap fun indie games

>>714344018
Some have, like Larian and Sandfall

>>714342921 (OP)
This is what happens when you hire to fulfill DEI quotas and not by merit.

>>714342921 (OP)
I think in this case it was because The Initiative was set up to be Xbox's Naughty Dog equivalent that would win every GOTY award and unanimous critical praise, so it's likely:
1) They were trying to be perfectionist in too many areas even if it didn't have a big impact on the gameplay.
2) They wanted to have a hard-hitting prestige narrative and the issue with narrative focused games is you have to throw out and redo a lot of work if you change the story.
I imagine this game ran into similar problems as Ken Levine's project.

>>714342921 (OP)
Yes
Kinda
The problem is employee turnover.
Something that suits don't understand is software is complicated. It takes a long time to make, and more importantly, a long time to understand.
In the old days, teams would be built around a handful of people that did the hard part, of making an engine, and generally making the framework the game was built in and around. These people were not just the best equipped to actually work on the game that followed, but they were the best at teaching others how to do things, too. Then THOSE people would gain lots of experience, and understand things well, too. The games of yesteryear were made by relatively small teams using software they were intimately familiar with.
When budget bloat got out of hand, and financing turned to investors, suits, and orher parasites, employee turnover rates started being pushed to cut costs, because you can pay someone fresh out of college less than someone with 25 years experience in the industry. Cycling out senior employees to recruit juniors and contractors, who are themselves cycled out ever few years to prevent them from gaining seniority, keeps costs low. This meant people that built the engine are gone, and people who had been taught by the people who made it are gone. Nobody can stick around long enough to understand the tools they're working with, and large chunks of "development time" are spent learning how to use systems, programs, and software, inefficiently. Then once they learn and get to work, they get replaced.
Rinse repeat.
The problem is the cost reduction meme, being pushed by people that didn't understand the industry they were now managing of.

DEID but also they only knows how to do retarded node style content creation in ue5

>>714346165
Do you have any clarification on those fresh out of college workers? Anything more?

>>714345638
DING DING DING

>>714346417
>fresh out of college workers

It probably has more to do with an analyst deciding to take his head out of his ass for a second to realize a 20 hour fps starring an ugly lesbian isn't going to take many customers away from their favorite open world or esport game.

>>714343373
I worked as a developer. The job I got from making mods. Was a highly motivated team that produced games people rated very highly. My corporate job produced some of the biggest flops ever made because everyone there was only there for a paycheck.

>>714346417
>clarification on those fresh out of college workers?
There's not much to clarify, I don't think.
Video games got popular, and started being seen as a viable thing you could train to do, or do with a comp-sci or comp-ling degree you kinda wound up with. Not just those, the film industry around the same time was getting more in to digital rendering and shit, which was another set of skills you could apply to making video games. Plus, other businesses started needing web designers, web specialists, and fuckloads of other stuff that only started existing when internet connections started being the norm.
Whether these people got degrees and training explicitly to make games, were someone who had trained for something else, but fell into making games, or were just someone who liked computers and ended up with a degree in it and needed something to do with it, there was a bit of a boom of people looking for jobs in that sphere of fields.
And, as is often the case, freshly graduated workers are often desperate workers, 'cuz a lot have student loans, and need to start making an income pronto.
The ironic part is this probably wound up pushing costs up in the long run, because now you need 30 people being paid a third of what that one guy got to do his job, but at least now you don't risk production stopping because you laid off people from that team, who that old guy felt personally responsible for.

>>714347385
They all think the same. They have the same ideas and the same value systems, and they make different flavors of games with the same core messaging. It's all a same-y sludge pile and people are becoming physically repulsed by it.

That's my take atleast.

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
Some are but most moved on to other fields.

>>714342921 (OP)
Trannies never had that skill.

>>714347385
>>714346165
This also might explain some of their behavior too.

1. Jobs program

They act like it's a welfare program for women because that's what it is to them. They don't understand or care about the product, and will never play the game. Internally they push for more and more of their own people, in positions like HR, internal content review for race/gender/sexuality messaging, etc.

2. Adult Daycare

Likewise, they want to remove stress, and create systems where they're never wrong. They picked this up from university and twitter. Problem is that reality comes a knocking eventually.

3. SJW-woke messaging

Since they're cogs in the machine and have no control over anything, they can team up and control design and narrative choices. So they want to leave a mark, don't know anything about gaming, but want to "own the chuds" that they yell at on twitter by making games full of negroes and homos and troons.

>>714342921 (OP)
A Resetera poster who claims to be an industry insider says that the gameplay trailer of now cancelled Perfect Dark showcased in 2024 was a fake trailer with no real gameplay footage, that practically nothing about the game was anywhere near finished and that it is no surprise at all it got shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofUi9DR9sc4
https://web.archive.org/web/20250703054108/https://www.resetera.com/threads/perfect-dark-gameplay-at-microsofts-2024-showcase-was-reportedly-faked.1234752/

I'm starting to think devs at Microsoft were grifitng, guys

>>714344018
>What are indie devs

>>714350762
>I'm starting to think devs at Microsoft were grifitng, guys

This is like the 10th example from recent years of AAA western devs spinning their wheels for years with nothing to produce from it. The Linkidin for Cliffhanger games showed that they were proudly hiring people with smiling faces until the entire studio was shit canned. They announced a game, then had apparently done nothing, and only opened a physical studio 4 months before the entire project was canned.

>>714342921 (OP)
Yes, competency crisis is a thing.

>>714350268
>Trailer was bland and nothing special or groundbreaking
>It was fake
>They couldn't even bother to make a good fake trailer

Just burn this whole industry down

>>714350268
It always did look pretty off IMO.

Kind of crazy how we used to get games with brand new technology in under a year sometimes, with all sorts of crazy tricks to keep the games smooth and playable, and now these companies can't even produce basic functioning games after five year+ dev times. Nothing, just absolutely fucking nothing to show.
The industry crash is well overdue.

>>714343104
fpbp
Back in the day there were no college classes you could go to for video game development. Now people are taught to make corporate product instead of dev teams being filled with smart people with a vision making unique games. I noticed the past ~15 years UI in mainstream games have become so homogenized in games and it makes them all look like they come from the same studio (Pic related). In reality it is just what people are taught in these college classes with UX design and other topics, there is no unique vision, it is just apply basic structure learned in school and only do that.

>>714346165
This shit is literally what happened to Halo, M$ was retarded with their 18 months of work policy that by the time the new hires got used to the clusterfuck that is the Blam! engine, they would be gone and replaced by fresh meat. Same reason they now moved to UE5, because they can keep doing the same shit but now they work with an universal engine, rather than their in-house one.

>>714351956
The future just looks like Nintendo, Capcom, Fromsoft, GTA, Fortnite, and indies. That's kinda grim.

>>714342921 (OP)
imagine you have some interest in controlling the sorts of narratives and ideas that a mass audience is exposed to. imagine you recognize that gaming is booming and set to overtake movies and music in consumption, and also recognize the unique ability of games to put the player in a certain situation, feel certain things etc. in other words you realize the potential the medium has to propagandize a mass audience using code that is infinitely reproducible.
how do you keep out narratives you don't like? how do you prevent "wrongthink" working its way into a smash hit game?
one method is the chinese style top down control and censorship. the other is the hostile monopoly path. buy up every studio that has a mass audience, or even has just the ability to produce a convincing AAA product. install HR / management to assert narrative control and manage out voices you don't like--make the white male industry vet grovel at the corporate altar and relegate him to menial work and hope he just pisses off. replace these vets with alienated contract labor with 10 month contracts or whatever--if they don't realize they're just a corporate cog and want to try to express a real idea it doesn't matter because they'll be gone soon anyway.
in the end, either people are as dumb as corporate planners think and will just buy a minimum viable product because of an IP, or the companies fail and shutter. either way the goal of consolidation and control has been accomplished.
this process will continue until any trace of the grassroots creativity / unique viewpoints of individual devs has been demolished, just in time to usher in the planned VR/AR hellscape in which there will be no illusion that indiduals will be able to create software. it will be a fully owned and controlled space run by pseudogovernmental monopolies like MS, meta and netflix. MS knows this is the plan, clearly.

>>714352075
in contrast (pic related) older UIs when games had competent dev teams with a vision that made unique games.

>>714342921 (OP)
western devs suck. Give it to Polish or Russians, they`d make this game in half a year.

>>714352624
Or Finnish

>make game dev as easy as possible with garbage engines doing all the work for you but very poorly
>make content creation as braindead as possible by literally stealing content from actually talented people and pretending the computer did it (ai)
>push away all the actually motivated and smart people out of the industry to prioritise DEI hires who don't give a single shit about the medium
>surprised the industry is losing

>>714345050
I dont get why fags still say "western" when its just americans. Euro studios while released some big budget stinkers in recent years they also released GOTY tier titles and avoided insane amount of layoffs lol.

You people give the actual devs way too much credit. Everything significant is decided at the management level. The devs just do whatever they are told. Or pretend to do whatever they are told if they are Indians

>>714354316
Euro games are just as bad and as pozzed and ugly as amerislop, don't get it twisted.

>>714352624
with all the jank and bugs of stalker 1 and cyberpunk combined

>>714354759
I didnt said they arent pozzed anon. Just saying that while pozzed euros can actually ship games both big budget and AA projects.

>>714342921 (OP)
The devs aren't the problem
The problem is ever increasing player expectations, and ever increasing publisher expectations, because now every game has to be a monumental culture-shifting hit or it's a failed dead game

>>714355198
Yeah their AA and indies are offensive vile slop too.

>>714354759
is this the same one who was a twtich mod? These people are like herpes, you can't get rid of them. Also another issue why HR departments are bad. They look only at "objective" criteria like past work and grades, and these idiots score well on adult daycare universities. But one look at them and seeing "secretly a deer" and you know the person is a loon and shouldn't be hired.

>>714355453
That game has a lot going on and there's no way that it didn't cost at least 8 million. Less than other big games, but look at all the voice acting, character models, presentation, etc. It's just a low budget game by AAA standards, but it's not some indie darling.

>>714351534
>the most karen looking black chick
>nerdy
Yeah. Sure.

>>714343104
FPBP

>>714344509
>Stellar Blade
>implying

>>714357138
>westacucks are ovepriced and incompetent
Yeah? Still AA in comparison to their other slop.

>>714357281
nowadays "having watched a marvel movie" gets you the nerd badge

>>714342921 (OP)
They hire people based on ideology and skin colour instead of skill
The age of communists taking over has been averted, we will now revert to the correct timeline

>>714357401
Implying what? Stellar Blade is exactly what I want as a gamer. Fun campy music, hot chicks, and copious amounts of violence.

>>714343104
I mean, if you're passionate about video games, why the fuck would you join a AAA studio? That's were all the rank and file office worker drones go. The talent nowadays stays in the """indie""" scene or joins smaller studios that can still do what they really want (for the most part).

>>714342921 (OP)
People in game devlopment don't play games and if they do. They suck at games. In past devlopment was done by most autistic players themselves. After mid 2000s corporate takeover. Like in every field. HR pushed away icky autistic people and replaced them with out going university educated people

>>714343925
Yeets are incapable of being creative. All they can do is copy other people's work. There is nothing orginal happing inside yeet

>>714343104
that's retarded. being boring and generic doesn't stop things from being made. that's most jobs.

>>714357816
This, and there are plenty of opportunities with more "enthusiast" publishers as well. Companies like Devolver and Hooded Horse keep bankrolling smaller games so it is not like they get no funding either.

>>714352731
no thanks

>>714352731
fuck finngols

>>714342921 (OP)
On average? Yes. Also remember that they don't have their own engines anymore, and very few of them can actually extend engines.

>>714343373
You see big, well funded teams at multiple companies fuck up again and again. Concord, Veilguard, Ubisoft, Suicide Squad ect, had years and years and loads of budget.. Ubisoft has the same ownership, and the recent AC creed has LESS features than previous entries like the parkor around trees, and social stealth. Social stealth in particular is absolutely as critical as it gets to kuniochi. There's more to it than that. Do agree partially that there's management fuckups, but there were management fuckups back then too.

>>714343540
>poor dev babies are doing nothing wrong
I'm not buying it.

>>714344018
Because this parasite will get them shut down if they don't dance to his tune.

>>714358360
I don’t care, returnal was great, so I’ll play this

>>714344269
I don't think the model is necessarily fucked, but the feedback loop where you have people who hate the audience to the point where you get literal shitposts in 200 million dollar game form like Saints Row or Concord. or, well, everything Ubisoft made last year. I think that we shouldn't be calling 300 million dollar games AAA, they should be 4A.

I'm curious on GTA will go hybrid AAA plus a long live service.

>>714344669
Management is definitely retarded, but are they worse than in Kotick's day? There are SOME devs that are complete ass.

>>714358548
>hagturnal

>>714359120
Correct
You fucks don’t like games anyway

>>714346702
You have my condolences. I assume you're still making shit for a paycheck, but for more money.

>>714347745
If you think different, they won't let you in on the bigs. Not that it's a bad thing being in indie land.

>>714342921 (OP)
It's 99% a management issue. Games now cost a gorillion dollars to make since everything needs to have top of the line graphics, be fully voice acted and have hundreds of hours of content while optimally being able to become a live service. This needs fuck huge amounts of staff. In turn those costs need to be made back.
So they broaden the target audiences creating games made for everyone but loved by none. They implement every cost cutting measure like replacing expensive senior staff with cheap juniors which then get replaced before reaching seniority. This creates a loop of staff never gaining proficiency with the workflow of a studio and their tools before likely getting axed anyways. So it's no wonder nobody gives a shit about the project.
The solution is to scale down projects and teams again. Stop trying to make the next Call of Duty or Last of Us Blockbuster garbage. Stop the obsession with top of the line graphics. Make smaller less risky games with defined target audiences. Make individual staff feel like they matter to the process again by keeping them around for a whole project and giving them an impact. That's why Expedition 33 or Stellar Blade worked. They had a clear comparatively small scope and a well defined target audience.

>>714342921 (OP)
Why does that shop on the street just have lamps without lampshades. They would sell whole chickens or knockoff Sanrio goods

>>714342921 (OP)
They are. It's apparent in every way. Development cycles are getting longer, hardware requirements get steeper while everything looks basically the same, buggy mess on launch is the rule not the exception, innovation is completely on the hardware side of things, file sizes keep growing for no justifiable reason, etc etc. It's not like it's just games, it feels like everything is in decline.

>>714354316
>Play Euroslop
>Game is barely 2 hours long and has no reason to replay it
>The female voice actor has an "EEEE" hiss on her microphone

>>714359374
>hundreds of hours of content
Maybe if you include games as a service bullshit. AAA games are short as shit compared to most AA titles.

>>714342921 (OP)
no, AAA devs are because of dei

only indie devs made up of white and asian males know how to make vidya now

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
they are

>>714342921 (OP)
"Everything woke turns to shit"

It's that simple.

I came here to post this

>>714342921 (OP)
>>714342921 (OP)
Nope. The next generation was supposed to push the medium. Millennials can't innovate, Zoomer can't innovate. Stop coping by saying:
> muh AAA devs can't make games
You guys are the reason.
1. You don't know how to make games.
2. You don't know how to take risks.
3. You don't know how to create something.
All you guys do is bitch out others.

>>714350268
I wonder how far they got in the engine.

>>714354594
No. I'm tracking what they're saying in GDC and on their own personal posts. A huge number of them really are that incompetent and bad. Not that I'm letting management off the hook for their stupidity too.

>>714360097
>>714360037
> I can't create a game.
> It must be the woke.

>>714360692
Projecting much?

>>714360742
Ugly bitches? Woke. Simple as.

>>714360742
>perfect dark in the 90's
>made by white boys fresh out of college
>met the deadline just ontime for the n64 life cycle

>nu perfect dark
>made by poo in loo indians and divershity hires
>no game, game cancelled

>>714342921 (OP)
You forgot to add "western" devs losing the skill to make games.

>>714360749
Just like OP?

>>714360950
I wonder who's fault is that? Don't say Jews.

>>714342921 (OP)
>aren't seeing anything that hasn't already been made in previous games
Ok, name another imsim with mirrors edge style parkour.

Then:
>unhappy with the state of gaming
>decide to make games that they would play
Now:
>unhappy with the state of gaming
>bitch about it on the internet

>>714360881
Forpoken girl is cute, you had to nitpick a bad shot because you know she cute

>>714343104
FPBP

>>714361705
It felt jacked from Hitman VR mode.

>>714342921 (OP)
Making good games will become a lost art, like how modern man can't replicate Tartarian architecture of the pre-mud flood world.

>>714350878
They're the people cloning 30 year old games but adding rogulike deckbuilding to them

>>714361749
The bar for entry is a tad bit higher now than it was then.

>>714361751
That anon hates any black woman less hot than Shiva or Elena.

>>714361806
>this parkour imsim is just like a stealth VR game
I don't even know where to begin with this

>>714342921 (OP)
all the devs with skill are getting cancelled by jealous skilless roasties who believe their stupidity is better than any developer's knowledge

>>714361829
>he doesn't know about specialist slaves
Most of these architecture were created by highly skilled architects/craftsman but they were still "owned".

>>714361875
What the FUCK are you talking about? With steam the bar has never been lower.

>>714343104
There is most definitely a loss of skill

>>714342921 (OP)
DEI hires/Indian outsourcing

These Kike companies don't give a shit because they view us all as dumb fucking animals who will spend our wageslave pittance on whatever donkeyshit they feed us. Fuck them

>>714361875
>Picrel consists of people with problematic childhood
>Games were considered satanic, le evil
>STEM degrees were at all time peak
>Decides to make a game about Demons/Hell/Rock
Just blame jews and move on.

>>714361751
>Forpoken girl is cute
STOP raping the word "cute" you ameridemon

>>714361903
Agent 47 WOA is surprisingly agile. Not unlike Lara Croft. That pipe climb felt like his.

>>714361923
>all the devs with skill are getting cancelled by jealous skilless roasties who believe their stupidity is better than any developer's knowledge
>all the devs with skill
What skill? lmao

>>714360742
Unironically yes

>>714343587
>>714343925
The REALLY SCARY part is that this isn't just a videogame industry thing. Future healthcare staff, engineers, and teachers will all become just as inept the browner the West becomes.

See all those Boeing planes falling out of the sky these days? Outsourced Indian talent instead of the 120IQ White guys of generations past. You have NO FUCKING IDEA how bad things are going to get society wide.

>>714342921 (OP)
>losing
No these ones never had it

They kicked out all the straight white males that were passionate about making games, ad replaced them with women and Indians that want to do the most minimum of work and has no passion behind the project.

>>714362142
>milk the same franchise for 50 years because creativity is dead
>act shocked when you get the same franchise but with a different race
The fact that Iron Man is still popular proves my point.

>>714362049
Forbes preferes to call it "mismanagement" and not jews.

>>714361101
That's a given. Extremely retarded and incompetent new generation? Westacucks.

>>714362227
>wwaaah the company kicked me out
>please accept me
Start your own company retard.

>>714362401
Nah, it must be the juice.

When AI gets used more and more, devs will understand even less about making games and go with what the algorithm spits out.

>>714362660
>people don't even know how AI works
>falling for techbro grift
>wonder why they are being kicked out of jobs
This: >>714362401

>>714350268
>they spent four years dicking around doing nothing but coming up with ideas
>only the past two years were they actually making a game, and they needed a ton of help from support studios

Jesus Christ, Microsoft. This hands-off approach clearly doesn't work.

>>714362401
its not all the imports people! its your tech!

>>714343104
i dont think this is why games keep floundering and getting cancelled. if anything, the industry being filled with that type should be perfectly optimized to push tasteless generic slop out the door at record pace.

>>714363013
Yep, it's never our fault.

>>714342921 (OP)
Everyone's losing skill everywhere.
It's actually very difficult to find something made better than it was 20 years ago

>>714363156
>losing skill
Millennials, Zoomers never had any in the first place. Skills needs to be learned, polished, etc more like everyone is lazy and prefers to type stuff on the internet.

It's another thread of bugmen crying MUH CORPORATE meanwhile literally dozens of companies have developers wishing for the extermination of their race and their suffering because of their gender on social media lmao you never learn you are cattle

>>714362105
keep on denying reality, it won't end well for you but it's the hill you chose to die on

>>714342921 (OP)
No shareholders just ruin everything

>>714363065
>if anything, the industry being filled with that type should be perfectly optimized to push tasteless generic slop out the door at record pace.
it is and they do
but Chuddha doesn't buy the generic slop, so now it's becoming a problem

>>714342921 (OP)
Here's the truth. Gamedev is a graveyard for shit-tier devs who couldn't make it in corporate/enterprise where the big money is. Only passionate retards who are easy to abuse go into gamedev because the work-life balance is nonexistent and the salaries are a lot lower than in enterprise. Moreover bigger companies pay even lower than average salaries because having a big gamedev name in your resume is considered a nice bonus that's worth a few grand off your monthly salary, companies like activison-blizzard do that a lot, at least they used to, now their rep is pretty bad, so things might've changed.
It's different back in the day, until like mid 2000s, but later the cost and time needed to ship a single project became rather intense, people started spending years crunching instead of the last few months of development. Pretty much anyone who could either switched to managerial positions in gamedev or the switched to standard SWE positions elsewhere because of much MUCH higher salaries and better work-life balance. Only trash that couldn't make the jump and easy-to-abuse-cucks left.
t. left AAA gamedev in 2014

>>714342921 (OP)
ANyone else pissed off that 'find the black site' is listed before 'escape the ambush' in the objectives? Surely you'd want to get out of the ambush first and then start looking for the black site in peace?

>>714362943
This is like the 10th time we've seen this. Clueless incompetent American devs dick around for years, produce nothing, and the game is either finished with support studios or cancelled outright. Concord and the Black Panther game have the same problems.

>>714363735
Nah, I just believe in taking responsibilities for your own failures.
You are not entitled to anything. It's nice if you get things you want, but you aren't entitled to shit. You want something, work for it.

>>714363905
>I am too pussy to do X.
>Let me list 10000+ causes of why X is too hard for me, or how I am above it.

>>714363905
At my last job we had to deal with svn because some senior trash refused to migrate to git simply because he didn't know how git worked, he only knew svn and refused to get even remotely familiar with git. But because he's an old-timer who worked there for nearly 20 years, the higherups listened to him and let multiple teams suffer because of that. Needless to say it's a major because of various issues with infrastructure, branching and shit, newer patches would regularly reintroduce old bugs that were fixed in previous versions. And all because of some boomer fuck with a shit salary, he tried to quit in the past, but failed to get hired elsewhere, so he had to stay and became extremely jaded and toxic.
>>714364209
You're a dumb fucking nigger who never had a job, fuck off to your mom's basement.

>Blue collar guys (factory workers, warehouse workers, miners etc) got laid off and replaced by machines
>Journalists go "heh, dumb luddites. Should have learn to code"
>Game devs got laid off and replaced by machines
>Journalists go "OMG THIS IS A STATE OF MOURNING. SOUND THE ALARM AND BOYCOTT EVERYONE THAT FIRE LE DEVELOPERINOS. WE WILL ALSO DEDICATE A SEGMENT OF AWARD SHOW FOR THEM TOO."
Makes your noggin joggin when you think about these journalists' priority in society

>>714358291
Fuck Remedy, it's not even really Finnish these days.

T.Finn

>>714362175
Human beings have always been inept. Every single human society has been a vain attempt to control the chaos of existence.
There was never a golden age, there are cherrypicked examples and the complete white-washing of anything that goes against a nation's mythology or national story.
Millions and millions of people died for no reason except ineptitude or people being dumb long before brown people came to Europe and when the US was mostly white.
Capitalism's relentless drive for profit above everything else is the reason everything is falling apart. It's more important for managers to get another Tesla or have three holidays a year than it is to sort out costly extra safety checks.
Importing workers because they're cheaper labour and then not training them properly because, yep, that costs money that could be better spent in bossman's pocket is part of that.

As an aside I went to medical school twice in two different countries (long story) and it's filled with psychopaths and people who only talk about money no matter their skin colour. There are retard tier white people, indian people, chinese people who just cram information and don't give a fuck about anything except the prestige and paycheck that comes with being a doctor.
Funilly enough the students that seemed to most genuinely want to learn and be actual doctors were African, and one or two people from each racial group like me (white.)

Your idea is way to simplistic and schematic and frankly underdeveloped. Argument would not hold up in a freshman philosophy class. I know people like Zero HP Lovecraft say this shit all the time but he's not as smart as you or he himself thinks he is.

>>714364960
>Capitalism's relentless drive for profit above everything else is the reason everything is falling apart.
Shut the fuck up, commie.

>>714364097
The world doesn't work that way.

>>714358507
this jew eats baby foreskins to retain his youth

>>714364960
I also look like Alain Delon but that's beside the point.

>>714364670
>>Blue collar guys (factory workers, warehouse workers, miners etc) got laid off and replaced by machines
Wtf are you even talking about? People these days are switching to trades exactly because office jobs get replaced with AI, people have more confidence in blue collar jobs and manual labour because at best they'll get new toys to play with instead of being outright replace, like, like welders went from sticks to mig and tig and now laser welders are being introduced, but it's still humans who operate them. The only problem is that you only need so many tradies, and the salaries are pretty mid.
The real replacement in blue collar jobs have never been the machines, it's always been the borderline slave labour from other countries which made producing shit in, let's say, Asia so cheap that even when you account for international shipping and whatnot, it's still cheaper than trying to make anything locally.

>>714364097
Yeah bro I'm just gonna work harder and one day I'll be the King of England. Thanks for the advice bro!

>>714364960
People are not ready to have this conversation. People will call you commie, but they don't know that communism and capitalism are carrot and stick. They both are designed to enslave humans.

>>714365020
>seething ad hominem.
I didn't expect anything more, but I have to admit I'm still a little disappointed.
At least you kind of proved my point, though. Retards come in all colours :)

>>714365086
It works that way, but you have to actually treat yourself as a capable being first. Everytime you blame some higher entity, you give up control.
>>714365281
People have literally done that. You can do it too, if you actually care enough to devise a plan. You can use money to influence them, you can use charisma to dethrone them, etc

>>714342921 (OP)
it's a chicken/egg problem
publishers set up studios for failure with utterly retarded demands & revisions, they also create bad internal culture at the studios themselves which in turn ends up attracting mediocre devs & burning out the good ones
>>714363905
i had a buddy who got his dream job in the art department at blizzard and he left in under a year

>>714362660
The sad thing is, an AI is more likely to make something I'll pay for than the professor or at least half of AAA

>>714364846
What are they then? Also, what the FUCK is a finn culture anyways? I saw some visiting my alma matter in Sendai. They were unexpectely very japanese. Lots of onsen. Lots of fish. Lots MORE depresson.

>>714342921 (OP)
A part of it is a phenomenon called Jevons Paradox, where accelerating productivity causes projects to take longer. Better game engines and software means you can create shit faster in theory, but it actually raises ambitions and complexity and slows development. Also the tools are good enough that we're reaching the point employees don't understand how to work with anything but those tools, they aren't even programmers anymore but glorified scripters at best

>>714365408
The people that have done that come from the aristocracy and are born into wealth and power 99.9% of the time. They have advisors, generals and men ready to take up arms for them because they liked their dad or are forced to because they work the usurpers land. They didn't start from nothing.
Why are so many people completely fooled by those in power's ideological falsehoods? Where is the critical thinking?

>>714342921 (OP)
Gameplay looks like shit and is nothing like Perfect Dark. Johanna had never super hero slowdown take downs and super human strengh. Perfect Dark was all about player aiming and shooting skills with no hand helping slowdowns.

Im glad they cancelled this crap.

>>714365634
You don't know what you are talking about. Game engines decreases ambitions. Because you know that your game has to fit within the bounds of the game engine, which is why all modern games looks the same, and new genres are rarely formed.

Back then, you just started with an idea like Battle Brothers, and you literally don't have any framework to worry about. Once the idea of RTS is born, then people start to think about how to condense that idea into a computer, how to represent the ideas, i.e, graphics, etc.

Now people start with a engine, if it's 3D it has to be a 3D game, then we look at existing market to get inspiration, then we have to worry about loading the asset within the engine, which means we have to limit the scope, it all goes downhill from here.

>>714365020
He's right though. Companies are obliged to keep the line going up for their investors every year BY LAW. Google "Ford vs Dodge".

And the easiest way for that is cutting cost in workforce by importing cheap jeets or, even cheaper, outsourcing to cheap jeets.

>>714365779
If you manage to dethrone the king, and take over, your kid will naturally follow you. The line has to start somewhere.

>>714365451
>i had a buddy who got his dream job in the art department at blizzard and he left in under a year
Did he leave for riot? Lol. It's basically a meme locally.

>>714342921 (OP)
the barrier to entry is getting lower every year. Devs are less competent because less competency is required to actually make a working game.

>>714365874
>that is cutting cost
It's not about cutting cost. Americans hate working, most kids want to become a youtuber because it's a fact that they earn more than other's while putting a fraction of effort. Americans simply don't know the value of money.

>>714365874
you basically have a globalism issue
there is infinite supply of cheap labour and low regulations, destroying domestic industries and making people jobless/poor

and shortsighted managers never care that in the end they fall behind and the companies are destroyed - they just hop to another one
ultimately the whole nation industry is destroyed and all the people end up in a worse position and the country becomes dependent - already happened with the US falling behind because they've outsourced everything to asia for short-term gains and long-term loss

>>714365405
https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8?si=VsxvDcdgLOjBSUdO

>>714365612
>What are they then?
They fully embraced the "global community" years ago. Finnish elements left in the games are very superficial and forced and the older devs have been replaced with international ones.

And yes, it's like that. Pretty spot-on description.

>>714342921 (OP)
>Are devs literally losing the skill to make games?
yep, that's the problem with a high turn-over rate if you ever worked in a job with shit conditions for a while it's exactly the same
basically all the old and competent workers eventually retire and move on, youger and motivated workers never stay too long and what you're left with are all the incompetent ones who can't find another job and basically you lose all the trade's knowledge and know-how
videogames is a shit industry, with very high turn-over rates so all the smart and competent workers just move on to something else/do their own thing and all the big companies are left with the new and inexperienced and the old and incompetent

>>714366295
>and shortsighted managers never care that in the end they fall behind and the companies are destroyed
It's not shortsighted, it's the plan. The company gets sold off to some private equity firm that guts whatever valuable is left and then discards the husk. They do it in collaboration with banks because rather insane amounts of loans are involves, none of this is done via cash, and both make real money on said loans, and then the debt gets tied to the husk, repackaged and sold off. Ultimately, it's the taxes of plebs that pay for it. It's an extremely streamline scheme.

>>714365191
>t. never actually work with his hands in his life and only heard about blue collar experience from tiktok
kek

>>714366687
KEK, this. Most people who bitch about stuff like this don't even have a decent job in the first place.

>>714365191
>people have more confidence in blue collar jobs and manual labour because at best they'll get new toys to play with instead of being outright replace
This nigga has never been in a factory or a warehouse in his life

>>714366687
>>714366760
>>714366901
Lmao, look at these niggers, I literally work with linoleum flooring. We literally have an influx of former office workers who want to try something more futureproof.

>>714367082
Sure buddy.

>>714367113
Have fun being a neet nigger, lmao.

>>714367082
>influx of former office workers who want to try something more futureproof.

That's bad anon, it means your labour market is being flooded and should be avoided by others.

People don't seem to realize that blue collar jobs will get fucked too by AI job replacement because they'll see a rapid increase of office workers entering the market, and you just can't have everyone be a plumber or an electrician.

>>714365920
The line starts somewhere and usually stays that way until people get fed up being treated like shit or run out of food and rise up together.
This idea that all it takes is some Marvel superhero with all stats maxed out is so fucking childish lol. America-brain.

>>714367250
>People don't seem to realize that blue collar jobs will get fucked too by AI job replacement because they'll see a rapid increase of office workers entering the market, and you just can't have everyone be a plumber or an electrician.
Bruh, I said the exact same thing in my original comment, but you fucks can't read.
>The only problem is that you only need so many tradies, and the salaries are pretty mid.

>>714342921 (OP)
No, they are hiring based on having a vagina now instead of talent. They do this due to shareholder being the most important group.

>>714366393
I thought you were saying being high IQ is a good thing, though?

>>714367381
It bears repeating because it's not just a problem, it is THE problem. There's no point in saying things like
>People have more confidence in blue collar jobs

If those jobs will also get majorly fucked, unless you are trying to state that in purely relativistic terms, which is a bit silly:
>This shit isn't as ass as that shit, as it has sprinkes.

>>714364063
Bioware works like this too now, from what I heard. Embarassing.

Big companies HATE him!! Learn how to run a successful studio with this one simple trick!

>>714367539
Tbf most former office workers won't be able to become tradies. You spend up to 2 years being an apprentice with practically no pay, and white collar workers typically have some kind of debt to pay off, so being an apprentice just won't work out for them. And unless you're blessed by the gods, your mentor will most likely be some grumpy boomer who hates younger people who try to get into trades, being an apprentice will be hell. And all that for $45-70k/y, depends on the trade which won't even allow you to get a mortgage for a decent house that's not in the middle of nowhere because for those you need around at least $95k/y. Unless you're an offshore rig worker or underwater welder or something as extreme, those have way higher salaries, but they also have a very different set of requirements, it's not plumbing or my flooring.
On the bright side of things, the job is super stable and won't suddenly disappear, unless ofc you're a carpenter, carpenters are royally fucked, imho.

>>714367992
Okay, what will they do then? Regardless of which market they flood, you will see ripples in every other market as people get pushed about.

Think of it in terms of a chained link:
>X replaces Y, which now has to move to another job, displacing Z...
And so on.

Unless the total amount of jobs gets propotionally increased by the same amount, it will have an effect.

>>714342921 (OP)
Losing? There hasn't been a single advancement in 20 years, these subhumans can't code, can't optimize, can't invent anything new.

>>714366901
>blacksen

>>714342921 (OP)
Devs don't lose skills. But studios can lose skills when DEI efforts replace the actual coders and artists with californian diversity hires and middle managers Karen wives.

>>714357281
She is built for BWC though

>>714342921 (OP)
Despite the overwhelming evidence otherwise games are art and "art" produced by coporate slop factories never work. AAA games worked somewhat in the past due to the suits being kept at bay, but HR and middle management have won, and now actual talent is pushed out for DEI hire and/or is forced to follow the direction of out of touch retards. Now I don't entirely agree with DEI and anti white workplace guys, but their diagnosis is correct.

>>714368287
Truthfully. No clue, some will probably move to cheaper poorer countries to start over there, I have friends who did that. But as you said, it just means that someone else will be displaced.
Ngl, I totally expect suicide rates to skyrocket in the near future.

99.9% of compsci graduate wouldn't be able to replicate this game within the specs it was made 40 years ago.

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
>"that moment of panic and anger when the propagandist sees a group of two or more white men"

>>714369231
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's something that we can probably rely on to happen.

>>714344018
Pre 2024. You couldn't get funding from west if you weren't diverse enough.

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
a group of predominantly white french men and their small studio just made one of the greatest games of all time and mogged the shit out of all hte AAA studios

>>714369450
Yeah nobody should be hired for a programming job without extensive training in writing assembly language

based phil

>Play Euroslop
>Game is barely 2 hours long and has no reason to replay it
>The female voice actor has an "EEEE" hiss on her microphone

>>714371062
>Autumn Rose Taylor
>video game marketing person
K E K
E
K

>>714371062
Phil booting up the game to go through the credits and see if he missed someone.

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
because they will never get any funding and most people can't just afford to spend several years without any pay

>>714358802
>There are SOME devs that are complete ass.
Sure, but MS is NOTORIOUS for mismanaging their studios and has been WAY before "Microsoft Game Studios" and the X-box was a thing. Read: Windows 9x era 1990's. Remember FASA studio? Died because MS couldn't manage it.

>>714365191
>People these days are switching to trades exactly because
People on here will shitpost anything:

>People are switching to the Blue-collar jobs/trades!

No, they aren't. That isn't true.

There is a DEARTH of employees for those industries (because people don't want to break their backs/knees/et. al. in the process of doing those jobs) and all the old folks (60-70 year olds) are retiring and panicking because they don't have folks younger than them replacing them.

Why do you think Mike "I majored in Opera!" Row has been paid to shill them? Because nobody is replacing that work force because with how the medical industry is in America (Deny, Defend, Depose BTW), working those jobs is a fools errand no matter how "MAJOR MONEY!!!" they are.

>>714342921 (OP)
Advances in tech have created lazy devs. Advances in capitalism have created greedy executives.
It's impossible to create a good game in an environment like that which is why the only decent games nowadays are from indies.

>>714342921 (OP)
That team never made a game before

>>714371062
>Autumn Rose Taylor
Not rosie!!!

>Personal history — #metoo:
>A very personal incident at the beginning of my interest in games as a career defined this issue for me. I was harassed pretty badly in college by an industry professional, and the incident left such an impression on me that I swore off games as a career path. Later down the road, I was pulled back in by the exciting potential of VR, overcoming the anxiety associated with that incident through the support of mentors and peer allies.
>I suppose that’s my #MeToo story.

>>714365874
>"Ford vs Dodge".
>retard keeps parroting a retarded meme without even looking into it or understanding anything because he's too retarded and takes bait easily
Ford was just as much as a Jew as the Jews he claimed to hate. This is why we're in the end times, because everyone is retarded.

>>714342921 (OP)
In the timespan Fromsoft released 5 games (including 2 goty winners), western studios can barely release one.

>>714369592
what studio is that
also fuck kotaku and that gigafaggot schreier

>>714372428
yeah well, lets not talk about the quality of those games...

>>714371062
>Marketing person
To be honest, all the layoffs and cancellations seem perfectly justified, the issue is often that he wasn't brutal enough and allowed games that were going nowhere to fester for years and years.

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio

Because skilled white guys good at coding are either going into jobs that aren’t related to game development or making small indie projects.

>>714344018
White men are given zero handouts from the government and are picked last for any jobs.

>>714371313
kek

>>714372206
Bruh, I brought all of these up in my later comments while talking to another guy. My original comments was big enough as is, and people still managed to miss some parts of it.

>>714371062
VRBros...

>>714344018
if you try to only hire white guys the government will send goons to shut your studio down because that's illegal

>>714373679
Wokism is the largest, richest cult in human history so far.

>>714373679
and then you see skilled and passioned independent game studio struggling to even get 1% of this funding
fuck this clown world

The days of autistic developers making games that they want to play are long gone. Catering to "gamers" is a mistake and its the death of the industry.

>get job at studio
>skill up on engine
>this takes 5-7 years then finally ship a game
>immediately let go
>find new job at another studio
>have to skill up on new engine
>this takes 5-7 years then finally ship a game
>finish work on game
>immediately let go
There's no talent left. All of the big auteur directors/producers are long gone. Forced out by corporate takeovers or wanting to retire.

>>714375735
id has the final auteur, but we'll see how long that lasts with all of the Microsoft cuts.

>>714375851
I don't believe id is going to make anything good ever again.

>>714342921 (OP)
>Perfect Troon
Still chasing the modern audience...

>>714342921 (OP)
>are devs losing the skill
they never had it. this batch of devs are activist tourists

>>714376108
Whether or not you like the games, Hugo has a vision and is able to convince everyone around him to make it tangible.

How do you build a game/studio if the entire team gets let go not long after the game has been shipped?

>>714376449
well first thing you have to do is get rid of the people pushing dei nonsense

>>714376438
Are you certain that vision doesn't have cataracts?

>>714342921 (OP)
How long has that shit been development hell for?
Microsoft is right to shut it down.

>>714342921 (OP)
They're replacing their workforce with Indians and AI (All Indians), so yeah.
Total industry death. The competency crisis is very real.
That's what happens when a nation doesn't invest in itself.

>>714376703
Like I said, you can dislike the games, but Hugo objectively gets to do what he wants with minimal corporate handholding. He's probably the last director in AAA games to be able to do so.

>>714375249
Not true. Those are just indie developers nowadays. Factorio, Kenshi, Terraria, Stardew...

>>714365874
Imagine being so delusional that you'd rather have the race with an average IQ of 76 and doesn't have the innate honesty or work ethic of Whites just to save some money.

>>714342921 (OP)
What's even funnier is Perfect Dark already exists. They can't even copy what already happened

>>714342921 (OP)
sort of?

Game studios used to be like 5 guys in a shitty building throwing ideas at each other and using the old concept of "iron sharpens iron" to advance themselves and do new cool shit.

Once AAA took off every studio ballooned and was filled with useless positions and tons of red tape. you couldnt just put out a fun broken game anymore, it had to hit all metrics and go through review boards. the studios would hire 18 writers who wouldnt add shit to the game and then hire management teams that would make it impossible to add cool new shit into the game or allow for devs to go wild and try something they havnt done before.

But also theres no room for growth and new devs suck ass, half of them have never programmed before and will just puke out bad code that others have to deal with.

>>714366153
Wild Life?

I actually think so, yes. Ten years from now a game like the cancelled Perfect Dark won't even get the chance to be cancelled because it will never even be attempted to be made. There's going to be way, way fewer games made in general.

>>714345378
>remember that vidya is still a very young medium
yeas it's already dead thanks to gentrification

>>714345382
>Larian
lmao

>>714367082
>i literally
No you don't, Zoomie.

Bet they regret cancelling Scalebound now with all this shit imploding harder than it ever did.

What's the turnover rate on this kind of job for publishers like Microsoft and EA? I remember reading they often hire a mostly new team for every game, hold onto two or three favorites and then sweep the rest out. Seems to me more like an issue of rolling stones gathering no moss.

>>714342921 (OP)
Because there’s no knowledge transfer at western studios anymore.

Most of them are filled entirely with contract workers and a revolving door of producers/directors expected to plug-and-play the role of their predecessor. It’s pretty hard for any kind of competent direction to arise from a band of random chucklefucks that have no idea what’s going on every 4 months.

Microsoft is particularly bad about this. Most of their games are made by contractors and H1B immigrants. It’s a mess

>>714343104
Wrooooong.
Perfect dark had a ton of high profile "old gaurd" devs on the project and microsoft back then was from the idea "just let them do what they do and we'll be hands off".
This "let them cook" attitude is why most xbox first parties have been so shit.
If you're going to give creative people funding without deadlines, they are going to never finish anything.
Perfect Dark had so many devs that had so many big idea's, with the funding of microsoft, so nothing got finished.
There's this well known thing with Pixar where the money man told the creative people "fuck you, no money" and they got mad as shit, but because of that the movie became a classic.

Letting creative people be creative sound fantastic, but the reality is that they need deadlines.

>>714379934
These people aren't even liberal. A better description of them is Anti-Conservative/Republican/American/White.
Liberals of the past at least had some things they could agree with those four groups on. Now it's just down to not mattering what you want, they want the opposite of it, just to spite you.

>>714355206
yeah the ever increasing player expectations of not getting ugly, gay woke shit aimed at liberal women and alphabets

>>714357772
THIS
Money is in going back to catering to normal people

>>714382439
That's just American politics now and honestly smart. I truly seriously do not care if I thrive or even suffer. I only care my enemies suffer more. That makes much more sense at this point.

>>714358548
you and nobody else, granny lover

maybe next time will learn their lesson and will decide to make money with a hot babe that straight males would like

>>714342921 (OP)
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO SAVE MONEY ON TALENT. This is what happens when you replace capable whites with fucking jeets and mentally ill trannies. This is what happens when you make everything political. Your games start to suck. Your game engines start to suck (hello UE5). Your vision starts to suck.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PEOPLE PROBLEM.

>>714360692
I'm the customer. People who make products should bend backward and making backflips to give me what I want, hoping I will be willing to pay for it.
I don't need them, they need me

>>714382987
Based but try explaining that to amerislaves.

>>714362446
shut up invader

>>714342921 (OP)
Yes, because we went from a bunch of people passionate about the idea of making video games to turning it into a regular job, so now the field is filled with frauds. Since the budget are completely insane and a bunch of incompetent clowns are leading these projects, many of them are doomed from the start. I think we are going back to AA projects made by smaller studios soon.

>>714384012
It was also infested with people who tried to turn it into a propaganda delivery system, but didn't have the fucking wherewithal or tact to not broadcast it openly.

>>714372380
>>I suppose that’s my #MeToo story.
When you don't have one but manufacture one anyway
#Believeallwomen

>>714373561
STFU nigger, no one likes you

>>714362401
I'm sure it's not all the immigrants coming from countries with an average IQ of 70.

>>714385229
it's just Covid goy stop asking questions

It's like a Laplace's Demon paradox: The execs think their data is infallible, then, by stringently adhering to the data, they in turn invalidate it.
The thing is, all companies recognize this effect. It's just that there's always a bullheaded ego at the top that pushes forward for immediate, short-term, personal gain. This is why companies with strong, centralized leadership are more admirable.

>>714345378
>ac shadow's credits are 2 hours long
shit's a joke

>>714345378
Something that is not being considered as well is that as more layoffs hit the AAA space, the more you are going to see at least some of those laid off devs just forming new studios with their fired colleagues and entering the indie space. I fully expect over time a return of "the B game" as the indie scene explodes into the diverse studio market we had prior to the HD era and the studios that then see reoccurring success growing to become the mice that eat the elephant. Love them or hate them, on a financial metric Larian studios currently is exactly the case of a B game/Indie studio managing to finally get it's breakout hit, double down with a successful sequel and then take the entire industry when given the funding to finally make their own AAA game independently from a publisher. The indie scene is already getting very close to overtaking the AAA space in revenue on Steam (last year was more an anomaly thanks to Palworld and Black Myth, but 47% of last years revenue on Steam coming from the Indie scene is still a VERY big deal.)

>>714342921 (OP)
>It's another Doomposting thread with Twitter Screencap

Anyway, no, they're not incompetent anymore. If anything, I feel that corporate game design has improved in so many areas that even the most mediocre “AA” is much more playable than the games that came out in those days. It's just that nowadays we only play the good ones and ignore a lot of the bad. And even the good ones had a lot of bad, because game design was constantly evolving. Nowadays we've settled on a lot of standards for the respective genres and we're bringing variations on these ideas. The only thing that persists, at least in corporate gaming, are the people at the top of the company that make a lot of the bad in games. Another thing about today is that gaming is much healthier. Indie is viable even on a hobbyst level and we don't need big corporations like we used to. Every niche has been filled by some indie project, no matter how specific. Because there's some dreamer out there making their dream project.

>>714342921 (OP)
Street shitterrs have never been able to make a game. They just faked it for so long repurposing old code that we have devolved into abject garbage, like their entire people, culture and country. Luckily the white man is back with CO:E33, so we'll recover.

>>714344018
Go ahead faggot, start a company of only white men in the US and let's see what happens to you

>>714358195
>being boring and generic doesn't stop things from being made. that's most jobs.
That's fine if you're making productivity software or hammers or whatever. It's awful if you're making games or movies

>>714342921 (OP)
I believe our problem is first and foremost a crisis of vision. Not a single western AAA (or even AA, really) studio has anything they genuinely want to show to the world and believe is interesting, novel. It's just stock "gameplay" + stock "setting" chosen mostly at random because they have to make *something*
Obviously jeet 3d art slaves/code monkeys aren't helping but still they are secondary

>>714345378

Both East and Western games suck.

We need true American games like at the Arcades.

>>714385229
>>714362401
That's been happening all over the western world even before the immigrant crisis, people are getting dumber likely because of the consumption of shorter and shorter form content and less cognitive challenge in their daily lives.

>>714345990

Don't fail me now, Phil. I haven't played good games since 2020. Some say 2015.

I'm dry.

>>714342921 (OP)
>Someone in that studio decided that "cyber india" is a very promising setting for a video game.
How does this even happen? Are they genuinely hostile to the idea creating something appealing?

>>714342921 (OP)
DS2 and Bananza are amazing, so seems like a (You) problem

>>714342921 (OP)
games are just too fucking big and expensive for some reason, a game this big cannot be properly managed like an old game. You need multiple team of fast-hired help from all over the world and it goes to shit fast.
a AAAA game could only end in disaster unless you're Rockstar

>>714342921 (OP)
>make a first person shooter
>forget to put gunplay in the game
Perfect Dark was all about cool levels and wacky guns with alt fire modes. Turning it into scifi assassins creed was disastrous.

Devs in the classic sense (a team of people in one office working together for the whole duration of the game) are still the best way to do it.

Now. Hiring new people every 6 months and just forcing them to work will never work well.

>>714381315
Nigger, literally and tho are older millennial staples, fuck off.

>>714382439
>Liberals of the past
thos are called far right fascist nazi ist-phobes now

>>714382439
>Now it's just down to not mattering what you want, they want the opposite of it, just to spite you.

>>714359229
nta, played the game. Nothing unique about it. Story was mid at best and some retardation thrown on top. Its basically shovelware, it sucked.

There's been massive brain drain in the industry for the past 10 years, yes
Who the fuck's going to work 60-hour weeks with unpaid overtime over just getting a job in webdev and working half the hours at double the pay
Even John Carmack fucked off on vidya the second he saw an opportunity to get into consumer electronics

>>714342921 (OP)
Technically? They're being replaced by fucking poos mainly — same thing, I guess. Jeets can only copy/paste so everything has to be derivative or designed by actual creatives (non-third worlders) first.

>>714342921 (OP)
If you call your game an "Immersive Sim" you are condemning it to death. God himself has decided that genre label sucks ass and punishes everyone that tries to use it

>>714342921 (OP)
they keep discriminating against actually talented and passionated white and asian male devs and instead hire and promote talentless female and black activists

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio
jewish investment firms like blackrock won't give them founding unless they agree to hire a billion negros and woman, completely nullifying point of making a new studio in the first place by doing so.

>>714350268
>A Resetera poster who claims to be an industry insider says that the gameplay trailer of now cancelled Perfect Dark showcased in 2024 was a fake trailer with no real gameplay footage, that practically nothing about the game was anywhere near finished and that it is no surprise at all it got shut down.
its kinda crazy how we are 6 years removed from Anthem and the same issues keep happening. Like this started development right after Anthem bombed looks like and they learned nothing

>>714342921 (OP)
I have no experience in development, so I'm talking out my ass, but I wonder if they have too many devs. I imagine when you get to that size it is hard to coordinate everything and make everything come together as a cohesive whole. Throw in all the outsourcing they do these days and that could compound the issue. For older games, they had relatively small teams and it was probably easy for someone to oversee every aspect of the game and make sure there was a vision being followed.

People will blame all sorts of things but the reality is that women should never be involved in game development outside of voice roles when its needed and jews should never be involved under any circumstance. Thats really just it.

>>714362401
>pic
Someone's possible conclusion after reading that shit is that China, Japan, South Korea, etc. are countries that have not seen a rise in their technologies.
One can only laugh. That, I do.

I have a feeling that Wolverine game may get shitcanned. Bless that angry Dev that leaked it so we can all see how bad it is. The Blade game 100000% is being canned. It sounded like everything that died in the last year
>walking simulator
>main male character upstaged by a woman
>woke period piece set in France

>>714352089
>Capcom
the moment they remake every Resident Evil is when its over. They need to shit out some new IPs soon or bring back dead ones

I don't understand how almost every industry is facing massive losses and there are barely any shakeups. Like with Disney movie after movie are bombing but the same people have their jobs. There clearly needs to be a management and perspective switch but there is none. Is this just nepotism to the extreme? Everyone hires their friends and family but refuses to fire them

>>714374025
That funding is not there to create games/product.
Its there to create information networks.

>>714391559
do chuds need to be in a permanent state of sexual arousal to enjoy games?

>>714394240
I am a chud but these coomer incels are ruining games as much as woke retards did. If I want to jack off I will look at porn. I hate how 3rd world Indians just ruined everything and turned this site into a porn site

>>714391559
>I don't want a game that is fun or engaging
>I want a porn simulator

>>714394240
>>714394402
Shut the fuck up and go back to amogus zoomie.
Big Dicks made this industry before your sperm got the chance.

>>714394402
#notallchuds #pride #blm

>>714379934
btw, they do this with everything. They started with the Atheist community, and created Atheism+, which is atheism + woke.

here in 2012, we see the FIRST reference to "CHUD" as a slur agaisnt bad reactionary males with bad bad views. The obvious allegory to sewer creatures is obvious.

>>714394714
He's just roleplaying as Kiryu, please understand

>>714394651
>>714394714
fuck off pajeet scum you ruined the entire internet

>>714382439
>These people aren't even liberal. A better description of them is Anti-Conservative/Republican/American/White.

They are spun off from French critical theory (post-modernism or post-structuralism). People like Foucault and Derrida and Lyotard, who influenced feminists like Judith Butler and Crenshaw.

They are anti-liberal, anti-enlightenment, anti-rationalist, anti-science.

>>714382769
>citing Halo as a positive example, when Halo 2's development was infamously a total mess and crashlanded to the finish line
lmao

This has been a problem with Western studios since the dawn of time: they don't have a solid theoretical foundation to build games on. If you listen to the development story of the average Western game, it often amounts to "we spent the first 2/3rds dicking around with prototypes and then had to get our shit together near the very end". This happens because the average Western gamedev has a cultural memory that stretches 5-10 years maximum into the past. Development budgets and timelines are bloated because they're reinventing the wheel and learning what makes game fun on the fly. The lack of theoretical understanding leads to a lack of confidence, which then leads to an obsession with prototyping and "finding the fun", which then leads to massively overshooting your deadlines. You don't see this kind of shit in Japanese studios (outside the bigger ones, at least) because they have a solid idea of what makes games fun and decide what kind of game they want to make ahead of time instead of mid-development.

This has been the case since the 90s, it's just that Western studios could get away with not really understanding game design by coasting on novelty and innovation, which was easy back when 3D graphics were new and peripherals yet to be standardized. If you actually look at the Western games in all those Best Games of All Times lists, how many of them are there because they were solid or refined instead of doing something new and innovative? How many Western classics genuinely hold up today without fanpatches to fix all the bugs and mods to unmeme the balance? Coasting on novelty doesn't work anymore now that hardware has become standardized and there haven't been any new peripherals since VR, exposing Western gamedevs as frauds who don't know how to refine, but can only mash gimmicks together until they get something fun.

>>714342921 (OP)
>Industry DEI hires a bunch of niggers, trannies, and women.
>Wonder why developers are not longer skilled enough to make good games.

Holy shit, you're retarded.

>>714394402
>>714394240
>>714394534
KYS troon
you will never have it your way.
nothing good was even unsexy and we are 99,99% of people, always and forever

>>714395109
I see no argument here, and certainly not a refutation

Is this a concession? Are you a DEI intruder and felt called out?

>>714395334
>NOOOOO SAARS I NEED SEXY TIME IN GAMES SAAR OTHERWISE I CAN'T ENJOY SAAR
stupid fucking 3rd worlders ruining the entire planet

> “When I looked around at all the different games on the TGS event floor, I said ‘Man, Japan is over. We’re done; our game industry is finished.”

Fucking hell, remember this? 2008-2010, Western gaming just seemed so superior and they were winning and nothing in Japan could compare.

Flash forward 15 years and we're facing total industry collapse.

>>714390259
>I haven't played good games since 2020. Some say 2015.
Marble It Up Ultra is good

>>714395521
It gets worse. Inafune had no idea the bombs planted under the American games industry.

>>714345378
I don't think jap games are made by significantly less people. Their workforce is already way cheaper.
Westerners tend to list everyone and their dog (literally) while for japs you can be happy if you get listed after joining the team in a late stage phase. Probably no mention of localizers or third party involvement besides the studio name.
I don't know if its still the case but I remember that many jap games also didn't let you skip the credits.

>>714395686
webm related is what you should do

>>714395881
I'm not even following his plan as if he had made it, he'd face plant on the roof anyways.

The AAA bubble will not burst, this is just how games will be now. Forever

>>714395428
>SILLY VOICE: NOOOO GOOD NORMAL THING IS BAAAAD
you will be buried with your real name, after spending all your life seeing literally everyone enjoying nothing but sexy stuff

>>714344018
They have and they're gonna sweep GOTY while Kojima seethes with his C listers.

>>714396024
It's bursting. Kids are fine playing minecraft, fornite and GTA Online forever it seems. Playing long single player games is an old person hobby it seems. The audience is still there but will gradually shrink each year, and new kids are not playing AAA single player games at all.

>>714396074
I have nothing against putting attractive woman in games it's when you coomer pajeets act like it's the most important thing which is the issue. If you want to jerk off then go to a porn site

>>714396256

>>714396382
keep spamming and breaking the rules

>>714396024
You're not paying attention. There's even a quote from an industry insider that goes something like "things are looking grim, just gotta hold on and pray until GTA 6 comes out." And even besides that, the AAA audience is aging and taping out, they failed to make zoomers care. It's already over.

>>714396543
Yup keep spamming. You are deep into this and have to keep replying and spamming.

>>714343553
This. MS loss lead with their consoles, they could afford to take massive losses on one project to shore up their cred. I don't think they realize how fucked they are with this decision. The slide towards linux gaming dominance continues.

>>714362943
I fucking love hearing stories of Western devs contracting with Nintendo for this reason. By all accounts, Shiggy and friends are legends at beating people into line.

>>714396839
Yup keep spamming

>>714396614
>There's even a quote from an industry insider that goes something like "things are looking grim, just gotta hold on and pray until GTA 6 comes out."
Anon, they were talking about someone making more expensive games socially acceptable.

>>714397129
Yes, and guess how that will turn out for them.

>>714396256
reminds me of that breakdance performance by I think Australia. Give it another decade and olympia is filled with clowns that participate to be inclusive and make a statement against 'try hards' and fitness

>>714358195
most jobs aren't art
videogames are
boring art is not good art
look at art school bitches, y'all couldn't name a single modern painter cus' they all some bitches with dogshit education

>>714395881
did he died?

you are smoking crack if you think the reason for this cancellation was that the dev team simply didn't know how to make the game they were assigned

>>714364960
Ahhhh, we've finally reached that point at the end of the roller coaster

>It's not happening
>It's probably not happening
>It's happening, but it's not that bad
>It's happening, it's actually kind of good
>It's happening and it's great it's happening
>It's better now that it happened
>It's bad now, but it's not because it happened
>It's bad now, and it's always been bad

>>714342921 (OP)
New studio with no experience as a whole gets thrown into the grinder to create a new entry in a classic series while also serving as a posterchild for first party games
All we ever saw were render trailers and highly curated vertical slices and the truth is that this game would have taken 2/3 more years with no assured megahit outcome
So MS cut their losses, seems stupid but that is how these megacorps work

>>714365874
>He's right though. Companies are obliged to keep the line going up for their investors every year BY LAW. Google "Ford vs Dodge".
That is not true, that has never been true, you know nothing about this case, and like most coping commie-lovers you continue to misrepresent reality to try and advertise for your moronic political ideology. I hope every single one of you fifth columnist cocksuckers are rooted out and deported to your shithole of choice.

>>714342921 (OP)
everything for the woke-god (satan):
>instead of learning coding or anything useful, you learn about how minorities are oppressed and they need more inclusion
>diversity hires
>outsourcing with no care for quality
>marketing budget the same size as development budget
>watering and dumbing everything down so everybody can play it
>catering to people that won't even play it
>hiring """popular""" celebs
and the classics:
>forcing online multiplayer
>season passes and microtransactions
so commies can blame everything on capitalism and not on wokeism, cultural marxism, identity politics and whatever liberal mind virus they are infected with

every stupid decision is pushed as standard in this industry
it's almost as if they want to fail
and they somewhat can with all the DEI/ESG money Larry Fink's Blackrock throws at them for it: only the pawns get layed off

>>714343104
> just want money and nothing else.
why insist on woke, then?

>>714344320
>if you can't raise the price above $70.
but they can
and people will buy, if they want
except the games usually aren't good so people think they are not worth it

A couple years in the oven must've surely meant that it was either 99% done and some exec wanted to pull the plug because he couldn't wait a few more months, or nothing got done and some exec wanted to pull the plug because he'll never buy a 3rd yacht with Perfect Dark money at this rate

I know that games are hard to make but PD seemed like a slam dunk immersive sim type of game. It's crazy that they couldn't figure it out with all that time and money.

>>714344395
This, gaming during PS4 became completely bureaucratized, you went from even 80-100 people being able to make a game in 2-3 years to 500 people + 2000 contractors needing five years. What happened, GamerGate, DEI, BLM, studios became heavily politicized, you needed five layers of women and black people managing a project before anything got done. But as Japan and even Eastern Europe prove you cxan still make a game for <$100M over 3 years.

>>714391665
Carmack's a comp-sci nerd. He's only going to be wherever he thinks things are most interesting.
From game engines, to VR, to AI.

>>714344452
KEK poor ol white man being held down

>>714344018
It is literally illegal to staff a company with only white men

your company will get fined by the government if you do this

>>714342921 (OP)
You can tell it was completely faked just based on some of the animations. Player gets a headshot and a full second later the enemy does a backflip. Some of the other animations are weirdly delayed as well.

>>714344018
the post that broke chuds

>W-WELL WE BEING HELD DOWN YO!! BY THE BLACKS AND BROWNS!

>>714368712
Knock it off

>>714398971
Not being held down by the "blacks and browns", but by the ZOG that uses blacks and browns as a golem to smash western society.

>>714399672
What is this cycling between, reveal trailer and a later one?

>>714395042
>This has been a problem with Western studios since the dawn of time: they don't have a solid theoretical foundation to build games on. If you listen to the development story of the average Western game, it often amounts to "we spent the first 2/3rds dicking around with prototypes and then had to get our shit together near the very end". This happens because the average Western gamedev has a cultural memory that stretches 5-10 years maximum into the past. Development budgets and timelines are bloated because they're reinventing the wheel and learning what makes game fun on the fly. The lack of theoretical understanding leads to a lack of confidence, which then leads to an obsession with prototyping and "finding the fun", which then leads to massively overshooting your deadlines. You don't see this kind of shit in Japanese studios (outside the bigger ones, at least) because they have a solid idea of what makes games fun and decide what kind of game they want to make ahead of time instead of mid-development.
Kek this is some top tier copium anon. Halo was in "development hell" for a maximum of 4 years across 3 different platforms - Mac, Windows and finally Xbox. It went from RTS to third person shooter to FPS before going on to sell millions and setting the standard for many years to come. Name me one Japanese developer that did the same apart from maybe Kojima and Souls series. Western developers were gods up until the mid 2010s when games went woke and hit true development hell of 300+ employees across 6ish years because diversity, open world, mocap, live service, etc. No fucking shit Western devs spent 2/3rd of the time dicking around. Has Japan done anything better? How did FF16 work out for them?

>>714342921 (OP)
AAA Games used to be made by 10-20 people
Now AAA is made by 400 people, each doing one small part. When you're a shader pipeline engineer, do you really have the skills to make a game? Or just better than those around you at making sure your UE5 shaders kind of work?

>>714402406
>10-20 people
this was never true

>>714396543
>>714396839
I genuinely have no problem with the aesthetic decisions here, I'm annoyed that the writers and gameplay designers suck.

>>714344018
>Why aren't those skilled white guys making their own studio

>>714400129
lol it's slight tweaks to turn her into a literal man.

>>714395042
The one problem I see here is that, if we get really good at making games that people like, we also kind of get really good at making games that people get addicted to. So, actually, we kind of did learn what works, and then exploited it hard, and the result is the market being saturated with Skinner boxes that no one wants to break away from long enough to try something new or different. Ironically, the industry's continued existence relies somewhat on individual games being imperfect and something that gamers eventually want to put down to try something else.

>>714350268
More info from a former designer, https://bsky.app/profile/adammcdlt.bsky.social/post/3lt23bz2dwk2z
It doesn't work for me because I don't have an account, so here is a recap as a Reddit post, don't get mad at me.

>>714406298
rent free

>>714360881
Claire Obscura was full of ugly bitches and this board praises it and shits on anyone that calls it woke though? Baldur's Gay too.

>>714354316
Yes because muah brack samurai didn't happen, and Sweden isn't a dei hotpot at all

>>714342921 (OP)
Because america likes to suck dick and drink cum and that influence is spread world wide and everybody is becoming gay, then u can't say retarded and Woop, retarded levels are rising.
The studios do get shutdown and people fired but a lot of these gayniggaz gonna spread like cancer cells breaking of the main tumor through out the entire system.
I do think it will die off, but man I don't want to live my life knowing 20years could have been awesome games instead of gubling sperm