I know I'm playing hard difficulty but wouldn't a 3 round bolter burst do some serious damage to some random thief gang with literal trash as their armor? Or was the Kibella/Lowest Walks of Life quest some DLC expecting me to revisit it at a higher level? because I fucked them up regardless That two hander sword the death cult gave me feels like a particularly OP weapon too, Abelard barely breaks the double digits while I single handedly two shot(charge/slice and then an actual regular attack) everyone. Regardless I feel like actual ranged combat that isn't warp/psyker based feels so weak so far.
Also is there a way that I can get a bigger character model? I'm trying to roleplay a big catachan commissar guy with a 2hander and while I hit as hard as one I don't physically look any larger than Argenta does.

>>714381672 (OP)
Toybox lets you edit both character height and model

>>714381672 (OP)
YRLIET HAS A FLAT ASS AND PANCAKE TITS

>>714381672 (OP)
The game is piss easy

>>714385653
I don't disagree but I thought bolters would hit harder.

>>714385734
They get good once you get arch militant

>>714382947
>Oi am not yer Xenos pet, mon-keigh!

Bros?

>>714386332
If you go the route where the other Eldar abandon her then that line should be taken out of her responses. At that point she IS your pet.

>>714382947
D-DELET THIS RIGHT NOW

HALFWIT MONKEIGH

>>714385734
Depends on your build, you can end entire fights with a couple of bolter sprays

>>714385734
Bro heavy bolter literally deletes things

Just wait

>>714387580
you could do that with a blowdart tube if the game had one, not because bolters are good. bolters hit like waterpistols

>>714387637
where did you get one that's good? every heavy bolter I've seen is trash. that one that the chaos marine uses looked OK but it was quickly outscaled and I didn't have the chaos points to wield it anyway

>>714387053
>the inquisition taught me many things

>>714387053
Ya dun goofed. What the warp does to a mf'er

>>714387549
I legitimately don't understand how Eldar fans exist. They're utterly pathetic.

>>714389050
Fastest one you get is from Drusians, but you do not need an amazing one or to even be a bolter *heavy stubber works too)
All you need is slight set-up so you can rapid fire whatever you want.

>>714391938
>>714389050
For me, it's melta.

putting a heavy weapon on pasqal is seeing it held up by the robo arm is fun

>>714390142
They just like elves

>>714394553
Meltas are the absolute worst weapons in the game.

Man, the writing in this game is really entertaining when they go full-40K with it. I really wish they'd done away with all the Iconoclast faggotry and embraced the main appeal of the setting, which is how insane everyone in it is. Imagine if all the workhours dedicated to iconoclastery had been dedicated to the heretic route instead, it might actually have been fun instead of stupid. As it stands, only the dogmatic route is actually funny.

>>714399537
If I ever replay it I'm going dogmatic instead of iconoclast. Iconoclast just feels like the regular RPG goody two shoes and I'm very much regretting playing in that way, especially as a supposed commissar.

>>714381672 (OP)
Melee combat is stronger in the early game, but later your ranged weapons will mob down hordes of enemies easily
Bolters are extremely good but require you to build up armor penetration and more shots per round.
Death Cult weapons and trinkets are really strong yeah, the level scaling for the DLC spikes a bit but it's not too difficult.
You can use toybox to scale your main character model so you can immerse yourself in roleplay.

>>714390142
Because they easily have the best aesthetics within the entire setting and you can easily just ignore the retarded bl books and stick to their Codex lore.
Eldar model range looks genuinely beautiful and they are also fun to play due to how fast and lethal they are on the tabletop.

>>714400162
Just did an iconoclast playthrough, and the most disappointing part was that, after all the slides praising my amazing realm that I've built up that's full of hope and prosperity, one of the following slides just goes "oh but the imperium couldn't tolerate that shit so it quickly invaded and blew everything up". I mean, it makes sense, but... what was the point then, you know?

>>714399213
but they look and sound cool

>>714400183
My Heinrix was meleeing entire rooms to death in single turns on his own in the late-game, on whatever the hardest difficulty's name is. Executioner pyromancer is just bullshit, I don't even know what was happening when he was meleeing stuff after setting himself on fire - like 10 numbers would pop up above their heads and they'd just die.

>>714403264
Yes melee pyro is also extremely good and can solo the entire game pretty much. Stacking burn and then distributing among all the enemies with the fire blood feat, is incredible. It can also one turn bosses if you prebuff with Cassia and Idira.

>>714390142
They look cool and they're really fun to play in the actual TT wargame.

>>714400183
Combat in general in this game is terrible.

The main problem with RT is that the combat is fucking boring, even for a TB enjoyer like myself, because it doesn't feel like you're making decisions. What the combat feels most like, is a card game, where you can build your deck the way you want and always draw the same opening hand, with that opening hand always being a one-turn-victory. So every single fight is exactly the same, it doesn't even feel like playing a game.

They try to get around this by making fights with phases, or triggered immunities that force fights to take more than 1 round, but that's just lame.

There are too many ways to do a million damage in one turn in this stupid combat system. To make it even worse, building characters and leveling is fucking boring as well. We have all these hundreds of talents are not only extremely specific, but also completely fucking pointless; I don't even really level 4 of my companions after act 3, because they never get to do anything anyway. I just pick whatever talent happens to be at the top of the list and go with that, it literally doesn't matter.

The Pathfinder games are the same way; the combat is fucking boring, because you just do the same exact overpowered shit in every single fight. Just buff your OTK-guy and then OTK the entire screen. You got all these stats and talents and classes, and it doesn't matter; it's all a mirage, just completely pointless and a waste of your time to read or think about. The combat may as well only be there in these titles so that they don't get classified as point-and-click games.

>>714402969
12 years not a slave kind of deal. Also if you pull the Nomos secret ending he saves you from the Imperium. Although you would still be doomed ultimately due to the Necrons and Eldar finding out about Nomos and moving you to the top of the "annihilate utterly" list.

>>714405871
>>714400183
Look! They posted it again! They posted the sloppa and the pasta again!

>>714405964
Take your meds retard. I didn't post any pasta and replied to OP partaking in the discussion he proposed.

>>714405964
As usual Owlcat shills cannot actually defend the abysmal state the combat in RT is in. Even Owlcat themselves admitted it's a problem and that they will address it in their upcoming balance patch. Somehow I doubt they'll pull it off, though, they'd have to fundamentally redo the combat and redesign classes to truly fix it.

I kinda want to play this game, but I also kinda hate Russians, so still a bit conflicted on Rogue Trader.

>>714406938
kill yourself nafo troon

>>714407519
Just pull your troops back and you can live in peace, moskalmutt. The rest of the slavs don't want you. You are not their king, not their protector. Your time as a world power has passed. Russia is hardly even a serious regional power anymore. Just rot in your own filth without inconveniencing others. That's what you deserve.

>Do Solomorne's recruitment quest
>It was great
>Do the feudal world
>It was great too, although the body swap plot line was resolved way too quickly
Once again I have been duped by /v/

>>714410715
Too easy.

>can't get into the quarantine zone despite having done nearly everything in act 2
>can't talk to hieronymus about the cryo pods
fucking owlkek

>>714387053
>I'm just tired bro

>>714402969
The ending slides in owlcat games always end up contradicting themselves at some point

>>714412615
It's not a contradiction though, the Imperium absolutely would destroy anyone attempting to start a schism.

>>714405871
Alpha-striking is a near-universal problem (and many efforts to prevent it also suck). That being said, the observation is true.

But then, I think you unduly miss the character-building part of the equation: that's the difference between "an RPG" and a "skirmish wargame", after all. Besides the narrative function, combat is there as a proof in the pudding of a job well done. Doesn't mean these games execute that part perfectly either - for example, in Pathfinder: WotR powergamed melee party setups get to faceroll territory even before the mythic pick when they start getting their imp. critical feats mid-act 2 (kinda the same for casters with court poet+brownfur+hexer+etc+supports, but they have to cheese rest option), and then there's the merged caster power bump for Act 3, and at that point you might as well ask "why even bother". Ditto for Rogue Trader where the fully realized party build tends to come around Aurora bossfight. So you spend most of the game in the state you describe, which is a problem. But "the point" is character-building, whether you are interested in making some thematic build concept work as well as you can (Pathfinder is actually pretty good at this due to the plethora of class archetypes that for most other uses are kinda redundant, as well as mythic paths providing another layer of flavorful customization, or mythic feats enabling otherwise unsound playstyles), or suffering through early parts of the game to prove yourself that it is in fact possible to min/max a character to beat the attack rolls of highest Unfair difficulty enemies by 100, or to 1-short bosses with some psyker ability.

>>714413780
So basically you're saying that all that the Pathfinder (and RT to a lesser extent) games are is character builders. Therefore, the combat might as well not exist since properly building your characters negates the existence of combat as an actual experience. Right then.

>>714414113
No, I said the combat exist as a proof in the pudding - after all, what's the point of getting 140 attack bonus or 80 spell DC if there's nothing to hit or cast spells at - and in narrative function. That's a vital function.

>>714406938
>>714407519
>>714409752
Both of you faggots should kill yourselves.

>>714414226
But there's nothing to do in the combat. It turns into exactly what that post said, a card builder where there's no decision process on the part of the player since he just plays his card combo and clears the opposing field without fail, every time, since he built his deck well and always pulls the cards he wants at the start of combat. If you do not understand how incredibly bad this is for a CRPGs combat design you are beyond help. It's one of the worst, if not THE worst things about Owlcats game design.

What path is the most fun to choose? I know you can either go full on loving the emperor or embracing chaos, but which one is the most fun for the setting?

>>714414687
Dogmatic and Iconoclast are both good, solid paths with full content. Dogmatic is the "For The Emperor" path and Iconoclast is the "I want to be a good and kind person" path. Avoid Heretic, it is genuinely considered the worst written Evil path in CRPG history, it actually takes content out of the game it's so unfinished, and it makes you and everyone around you act like a bumbling retard. Even people doing multiple playthroughs quit halfway through a Heretical run and just go Dogmatic or Iconoclast again, it's that bad.

>>714415016
>it is genuinely considered the worst written Evil path in CRPG history
According to?

>>714415107
nta but feel free to find anyone that likes it

>>714415107
Everyone that's played it? Name an Evil path that's worse in another CRPG.

>>714415185
The devil path in WotR, that was easy

>>714415235
That really is comparing a pile of puke and a puddle of diarrhea and asking which one you would prefer to eat

Where did theis meme of hereitcal not having content even come from? Outside of the companions you lose then it's pretty much the same as the other two. What's bad about heretical is how unsubtle it is, not the lack of content

>>714415557
>Where did theis meme of hereitcal not having content even come from?
>Outside of the content you lose then it's pretty much the same as the other two

>>714415712
So that's it? just because you lose four companions, two of them with extremely barebones and irrelevant questlines?

>>714415838
Nah, it's also written very badly and it makes you and everyone around you seem like an absolute fucking retard. Let me put it to you this way, the KOTOR Dark Side path had more nuance and thought put into it than the Heretical path in RT does.

>>714416096
I know, and that's the reason why it's bad, not because of a lack of content

>>714416769
The lack of content is an additional issue with it, though, if they had followed through on stuff like the Daemonette companion it would've balanced out things quite a bit. As it is the entire game feels like it's designed for a Dogmatic playthrough, the vast majority of your companions are Dogmatic and Dogmatic paths have the best writing, as well. Iconoclast is a solid second option, but Heretic is so bad it feels like it should've been dropped entirely rather than let into the game in such a subpar state.

>>714415235
Devil Path isn't really a true path like the others, it is the worst written path when taken at the end of Azata but it is a fine addition to Aeon as a "final choice" to swap from Lawful Neutral to Lawful Evil and there are plenty of chances during an Aeon path to be corrupt that lead into Devil fairly well. The Devil Path NPC also features prominently in the largest section of Aeon.

Heretic is far worse than Devil. At least Devil spins off of a fun and fleshed out path depending on your choices.

DO THE VOX SPIRITS EVEN KNOW YOU EXIST VIGDIS

>>714409752
>Russia is hardly even a serious regional power anymore
Pretty embarrassing that hundreds of billions of dollars and top of the line NATO equipment can't easily body a podunk country that isn't even a serious regional power

>>714410715
It's fucking short in comparison to Void Shadows. 'Muh 15 hours of content' false advertisement

>>714418510
Yeah it's really a downgrade compared to Void Shadows. At this point I think Void Shadows was a lucky shot in the dark, it will likely remain the pinnacle of RT content and nothing will match it. The future DLC will probably be along the lines of Lex Imperialis instead.

>>714414687
Full-dogmatic is the most fun imo.; you're going to be doing a lot of frankly evil, retarded shit, but if you can keep from SELF-INSERTING too much and just enjoying how deranged these characters in the setting are it's a pretty good path.

The heretic path is not very good, with tons of immersion-breaking moments that'll have you e.g., standing next to a sister of battle and an inquisitor's henchman shouting about how you love the chaos gods and will bring about their domain, and your companions will just not react to it at all (at least until a specific point in the story, where a character will offer to purge your soul of all the heresy, resetting you to 0, or these dogmatic characters will finally leave).

The iconoclast path is alright. It's basically the self-insert path, where you play as a fairly normal, reasonable guy from our world today. I find it pretty immersion breaking at times, although a lot of the iconoclast choices are just better than the dogmatic ones even in-universe. E.g., when you're dealing with the riots on your ship, it's standard practice to constantly beat up all the serfs, even if they haven't done anything and are fully cooperating, just to keep them permanently softened-up. Doesn't take a genius to realize that this is the perfect breeding ground FOR constant mutinies. But the dogmatic choice is to just keep pounding those children into paste in front of their parents. But if you can see the humor in the sincerity with which this brutality is being handed out, again dogmatic is a pretty funny path.

I think the worst part of the alignment system is that, if you're trying to play someone who loves the emprah and fears the warp and hates the xenos but ISN'T a total psychopath, you're going to end up with a mix of both dogmatic and iconoclast alignment so you won't get the sometimes very powerful boons associated with going full- into one alignment.

>>714413250
Hell, almost half of the Lords of Terra betrayed Guilliman (Aka Jesus). The golden Bananas didn't like him too and they at the start of the Indomitus Crusade they had plans of killing him, so that kind of things are very normal.

>YOU FUCKED UP SOLOMORNE TURN IN YOUR BADGE AND YOUR DOG
>anyways RT time to preside some civil trials
huh?

>>714420172
The ending slide I got for his boss was pretty depressing. Those arbites are apparently just as harsh on themselves as they are on everyone else.

>>714419613
One of the entire points of 40K is that nearly entirety of the Imperial nobility are a bunch of selfish, greedy, useless assholes that are starting to rival the original Eldar in their hedonism, degeneracy, and general corruption. If Girlyman wasn't such a fan of law and order he would've executed all of them outright. This is why the Eldar should've brought back Russ first, he would've cleaned house.

>>714421876
>bringing back a fucking furry instead of mr administrator

>>714424209
The Space Wolves are not furries, they're Vikings.

Where do I find a heavy bolter that's actually good?

Should've gone with Rogal Dorn. He wouldn't lead the imperium to victory, but he would shore up its defences, which is what the first guy back needs to do.

Actually, that kind of makes you think, why didn't any of these primarchs try to solve any of th ese problems *before* they disappeared? They were still around for ages after daddy got put on his disability toilet, but besides raging around for a little after the siege they don't seem to have done anything before disappearing. Besides Girlyman writing his best-selling book, obviously.

>>714399537
>>714400162
the first guy is right that it's imbalanced in favor of iconoclast. dogmatic has no meat on the bone, it's just choosing the wrong answers of the only way they want you to play the game. if they're going to be in the 40k space they need to go all in and not hide behind this cuckoldry iconoclast crap

>>714424879
The Imperium is not going to survive on defense though, it needs to aggressively hunt down the threats surrounding it or all the bunkers in the galaxy won't save them. They're doomed regardless but Dorns methods are not the solution anyways.

>>714424716
The first one you get from the drusians already does the job just fine if you play arch militant

>Everyone acts like we just barely beat Aurora at the space port
>worst that happened was Cassia took a few shots but still ended the fight with over 2 thirds of her health bar

Abelard meanwhile, tanking bolter rounds with his face and not even getting out of his blue temp bar, while Kibbles slices up cultists in the back line like a hurricane made of knives. To be fair to sir talks a big game I did kill three chaos spawn on the way to him, so he really didn't know who he was fucking with

>>714426523
6-9 damage per shot
I'd rather throw a wrench or something

>>714425428
Gilligan coming back first wad possibly the best thing to happen to the imperium in 10,000 years. Logistics wins wars, and Bobby is a master in that field.

>>714426751
>Gilligan

What the fu k, auto correct? That's not even a word it's a fucking name.

>>714426637
Use rapid fire and the talents that increase your crit chance and crit damage

>>714426554
Kibbles DLC puts you at a higher level than you used to be before than encounter. Very few new players will probably behold a proper Final Dawn.

>>714414498
you chose a terrible game to use reaction pics from while talking about this

>>714424879
The primarchs were not around after the HH for that long, and what time they were around they spent most of it on their personal vendetas and projects that attempted to stitch together the war rended imperium after the heresy. Many of the problems the imperium at the contemporary timeframe faces also didn't exist yet or were relatively minor flaws within the foundations of the imperium by that point. The galaxy at large also was not yet as hostile to the Imperium, mostly because the great crusade had more or less decimated the alien threats the Imperium could face which began to recover in the shadow of horus heresy and it's aftermath, chiefly the orks however both the Craftworld Eldar and especially the Dark Eldar gained a lot of breathin groom from the dissarray horus heresy caused for the nascent imperium.
Then there are the xenos threats that only began to emerge towards the 41st millenium like Necrons reawakening or Tyranids invading the galaxy.

Simply put, the Primarchs were not around for that long after HH, and the imperium, all things considered, was nowhere near in as bad of a mess as it is now back then.

>>714420172
>destroyed a heretical altar and killed a traitor
>the rest of the rock can still be mined from the planet
>mcgonagall still chews me out for the outcome
Literally couldn't have gone better, fuck bureaucracy

>>714427038
I didn't do her quest until after I finished chapter 1. I think chaos worshippers are just little faggots and their gods are just wet farts.

>there are people that unironically play iconokek crime lord

>>714426637
this is why you play the god tier master tactician

>>714381672 (OP)
>>714385734
I literally kill all the bosses with a single burst of heavy bolter and I get five attacks a turn
>>714387913
Not really because a blowdart would probably have very little armour penetration
Armour penetration is the only thing that makes bolters superior to regular guns

>>714427098
Larian games combat do have tactics though, it's not just a character builder. Especially DOS2, which was a much better game combat wise than BG3, but that's to be expected since 5E combat is the worst TT combat ever to be made since it's specifically designed to be as bare bones as possible so the people engaged in it can fly through it and get back to pretending to be theater actors.

>>714427457
It has plenty of reactivity though

>>714418489
>le NATO secret super troopers fighting secretly in Ukraine
They are fighting with cold war era surplus and jerry-rigged drone systems. Russia fucking failed miserably despite having a military with fresh experience in modern warfare and all the latest tech glorious motherland can muster. Now they are just scooping all the rural minorities and sending to the meatgrinder. Assume they can just then send moskals to take over the lands without resistance. This is how the vermin have always operated. The russians' cannot conquer, they cannot create, so they subvert, parasitize, steal. Russians are a tumor on humanity that should be just cut off and cauterized.

>>714428842
Genetically speaking the Ukrainians are also Russian, though.

>>714429178
Well, they are nearby. Moscow is an offshoot of old Ukrainian culture. Also Russia operates by infesting their annexed regions with population replacement. That's how they have always done, replace the culture, replace the population. In such manner, the russians are a lot like genestealers.

>>714429547
>Always
Really? Wasn't it just after the Bolsheviks took over that they started doing that? Also historically Ukraine was part of Russia, it was only in modern times that it was split off into its own country, by Lenin.

Maive my love

>>714429669
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valuev_Circular

Lot of the westoids like to think that it was the communism that made Soviet Union as shit as it was, but no, Russians have always been evil, inept, degenerate subhuman beasts, and always will be. It would probably be most humane to just put them all out of their miserable existence.

>>714428842
People like you are funny
Imagine being so delusional

>>714428842
>le NATO secret super troopers fighting secretly in Ukraine
Who are you quoting?
The US and the Europeans objectively spent hundreds of billions on backing Ukraine and the currentstate of the conflict is decisively in the favor of the Russians.

>>714430335
Literal scraps of their aging military gear, which would've ended up getting scrapped and defused in the next decade, which also has been overvalued to shit and back. The military assistance to Ukraine has been barebones.
>favor of Russians
It was extremely in their favor when the war started. Yet here we are, at year 3 of the 3 day special military operation. Russians are worthless fucking losers.

>>714430101
Look in the mirror, golem.

>>714430729
>The military assistance to Ukraine has been barebones
lol
lmao
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH holy shit they've gotten HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars worth of shit and you think that's "minimal"? Fucking delusional.

>>714427457
I think RP wise icono and heretic fit crime lord more than dogma does. I guess you could pick the brand of shame background where your deal gone wrong allowed a chaos cult to rise and RP that you found faith or dogma as a result.

>>714430804
You have no perspective on how expensive war is, retard. Iraq war cost to US hundreds of millions of dollars PER DAY. Now go rape you neighbors dog or whatever your kind does when off computer.

>>714419334
>you won't get the sometimes very powerful boons associated with going full- into one alignment.
they fixed that
by the end of my game i ended up with 635 dogmatic points and 225 iconoclast points and 0 heretic

>>714430729
It's ironic for you calling someone a golem lol
>>714430804
You don't understand, they never wanted Ukraine to win just like they never wanted to win in Iraq and whatever
People like him are funny and I really hope he's glowy or just a bot because thinking he's a real person is just sad

>>714433505
Eat your meds and stop watching Fox/CNN, amerigroid.

>>714420172
Servo-Skull him.

>>714424428
Viking furries.

>>714426637
And every one of those shots will crit if you build argenta right.

>>714435157
Is that seriously the only choice that doesn't backfire?

>>714435674
Torturing him will mentally fuck him up and the ecclesiarchy will be pissed off at you.
Any choice that involves him leaving the planet will have the ecclesiarchy pissed off at you.
Leaving him be will cause him to commit the mother of all murder/suicides.
Shit plays out exactly as you would expect if he's dead but technically still preaching as a sacred machine.

>>714426554
If you played correctly, he'll never fire off a shot.

I want the Ukraine posters to leave this thread and board. The Ukraine is not videogames. Talk about videogames.

The first time I entered a rogue trader thread, I was bombarded with fags pretending their fanfiction about some corsair was canon and everyone should totally know what they're talking about and then I was told to lurk moar because I dared to say that's retarded.
Lurking moar resulted in me being subjected to nonsensical stories about mormon sex loopholes.
None of the above is made up. Rogue Trader threads barely ever discuss videogames.

>>714437208
>he was here when there was a 24/7 general up for months (that somehow was allowed and wasn't deleted)
grim

>>714438162
>complaining about videogame threads on /v/
satellite boards were a mistake

>Cassia uses black signet ring
>Full momentum
>Gives me a turn
>Carnival of Misery
>Inflame
>Everything dies
Is this good game design?

>>714428071
I definitely disagree with this, while DOS2 combat is good, BG3 is much better and more tactical than it.

>>714428071
The armor system in DOS2 ruins the game though

>>714439754
Carnival of misery is a bit overtuned, or rather the whole support package around it is too much. Otherwise yes it's good game design

Suffering builds character

>>714381672 (OP)

I don't know what the fuck should I play, bladedancer seems nice but I also enjoy dual wield sword and pistol aesthethic

>>714446497
Sword and pistol is for arch militant

>>714446583
thanks anon, didn't know how i missed it when looking at archetypes