Why did it fail?

Censored shit
Annette is not in it.

>>714397680 (OP)
Gay protagonist. Giving a lead a homolisp cost at least 1 million sales

Tidepod-chan looks fucking retarded

>>714397805
Why is that guy black

Why is /v/ handling Fire Emblem’s decline so poorly?

>>714397680 (OP)
Because your mom sunks conk

>>714397680 (OP)
>3rd best seller in the franchise
Heh

>>714401965
Why aren't we talking about Xenoblade's decline too then?

>>714400218
Why can't he be?

>>714403079
>3rd best seller in the franchise
Nobody posted Awakening though

>>714403423
Because they’re retarded

Too cute for this world.

>>714397680 (OP)
It didn't

>>714403602
It's a retarded game

>>714403873
I love u Divine Dragon.

I hate the fact that 3H brought the shitty persona crowd with it.

You get the drift

Ugly hair. #nuffsaid

>>714397680 (OP)
Censorship and Mika pikazo dropped the fucking ball.
Protagonists are shit
Clown characters
Too male make characters

>>714404192
>Mika pikazo dropped the fucking ball
Mika Pikazo drew exactly how she always draws. The problem is she just wasn't the right person for the job in the first place. It's not right to put the blame on her, the blame is on IS.

>>714403873
>>714403995
Why wasn’t this her actual design

>>714403334
Xenoblade 3 is a sword art online knock off.
That's basically it.

>>714405072
Because evil dragon.

Do I have to beat every Fire Emblem before I play Engage, I hear the gameplay is good so I want to try it

>>714405384
Sigurd spoils FE4 so yes, play every FE first.

>>714405384
> I hear the gameplay is good
Who did you listen to? shills?

>>714405384
No just play Engage.

>>714405072
Because stupid plot

>terrible story
>They still refuse to remake all the old FE games even though it's free money and many people would buy it
> Forgettable characters except for the ones from past games
>shitty sidequests

It was saved with really good game mechanics but I never felt the need to replay this one even though I will replay most FE games at least once.

>>714405224
That doesn’t really answer my question

>>714405910
Opposite for me, the great gameplay is precisely why I've already replayed Engage quite a number of times. It's so easy and fun to hop into and I haven't even watched a single cutscene after my first playthrough.

>>714397680 (OP)
The MC and story fucking sucked, which is a damn shame because the gameplay was great. Nintendo and IS will use this as an excuse to turn Fire Emblem into more open world slop. There might not even be turn based combat in the next game.

But you alreary knew that. Why else do you think Engage pulled the "Everyone is here!" card? Roster dumps like this are always followed by massive changes in the next generation sequel. Expect a lot of shitposting when it's revealed, and a LOT of seething when it inevitably outsells every other game by a mile

Soooo when are we getting the Switch 2 Fire Emblem game?

>>714406413
Next Direct
Source: Trust me

>>714406531
Just like your fabled FE during the switch 2 launch right? dumbass.

>>714406330
Probably will have horse meta cancer and tons of combat art slop.

>>714406832
Nintendo likes to space out releases and obviously Mario Kart and the game by the Odyssey team are going to take priority over everything else and can't have anything else upstage them.

>>714397680 (OP)
Characters and story were poorly written and the maps are boring.

>>714406932
Nearly every game is horse meta

>>714406413

>>714407129
>best maps since Conquest
>"boring"

>>714397680 (OP)
Terrible writing. Not enough dating mechanics compared to Awakening where you can impregnate women and use child units

>>714407031
FE will never outstage mario, shut your retarded ass.

>>714405910
>They still refuse to remake all the old FE games even though it's free money and many people would buy it
Every remake has sold like garbage.

>>714407364
Better than cuckquest**

>>714405910
Only nostalgiafags are delusional enough to endure 3 hours of slogging through a FE4 map.

>>714407621
>t. filtered whiny bitch

Beta Solmians

>>714407870
Nobody gets filtered by that easy game

>>714408291
Why do people say Engage doesn't have Laguz, the subhumans are right there.

>>714408692
Shut up the Somians give us spices.

no one's ever said that, pee drinker

Three Hoes won

>>714397680 (OP)
>SPRITES ARE TOO HARD FOR MODERN COMPANY AIIIIIIIE

>>714409892
They also just don't sell as well as 3D modeled games because zoomers see sprites and automatically think old and outdated. There's zero advantages for bigger devs to make sprite based games, that's why you'll only ever get it from indie games now.

>>714410109
ok but can they animate the 3d models better

>>714410458
>wanting good games
Bigot

>>714410458
Engage has sick battle animations that are almost as over the top as the GBA sprites. They just need to attach them to better designs now.

>>714397680 (OP)
Why can't FE fans stop making bait threads?

>>714410649
Looks cringe in 3D

>>714411772
Ok oldcuck

>>714411824
I don't think zoomers like these animations either. They aren't aesthetically appealing.

>>714410649
The first animation definitely looks cool, though I wish I saw a little flourish at the end

>>714412002
I like them

>>714411772
>>714412002
If you don't think the wolf hitting the Hand Axe with its tail is the coolest shit ever, we can't be friends.

>>714412595
I don't go to animation school but they should have put more emphasis on him kicking it. Needed more impact frames as he kicked it.

>>714404096
Apparently snake tastes pretty fucking good. I'd eat a snake sandwich with Chloé.

>>714412801
It's a ranged animation for a crit. You both have the time to follow the handaxe's movement to notice that the wolf kicks it and the perspective needed to see its trajectory towards the enemy. I fail to see the issue, it's very well done.

>>714406413
2027 at the earliest. Open world games take forever to make

>>714413706
>Open world Fire Emblem
Please, no. Please ignore trends and what westoids say they want as you usually do, IS.

Cutesythea

>>714397680 (OP)
was surprised to learn it sold so little in 2024

>>714397680 (OP)
Horrible story, boring and cliche characters, and godawful character designs

>>714404976
>>714404192
Mika can easily draw characters that people associate with FE. What's so wrong with the Brodians or Goldmary for example? How about Pandreo, Merrin, Fogado or Mauvier?
People just zoom in on Alear's hair and pretend that everyone is ridiculous when its not true.

>>714407235
Nso needs to add a fast forward option if they're going to put out path of radiance. It's kind of baffling that they don't already have that option

>>714413612
I didn't say the readability is bad, but they spent all that anticipation and didn't follow through with enough impact to balance it out

>>714407429
3H writing is terrible but western fans have gaslit themselves into thinking that trauma dumping is good writing.

>open world
nah enjoy your new hub world filled with sidequest and chores.

>>714414270
>Brodians
Overdesigned armor
>Goldmary
Perfection
>Pandreo, Fogado
Their clothes have ugly color schemes
>Merrin
Would be perfect if she didn't have a furry buttplug up her ass
>Mauvier
Ugly, overly bulky and ill-fit armor

Marriage with Marianne!

>>714413968
KYS pedo

>>714403679
Cute criminal

>>714414446
I'd say it has a lot of impact, the movements were clean and swift, with the wolf's motions being strong looking. Even without any sound, this webm beats out pretty much every handaxe crit in the GBA era, where a tiny spin was usually all you got for fanfare.

>>714397680 (OP)
Turns out /FEH/ and vtumor simps don't care about Fire Emblem.

>>714403334
Xenoblade conversation is impossible on /v/ ever since 2 triggered Xfag and he started calling everybody who wants to talk about how bad 3 was "2 secondaries".

>>714415392
you're not wrong but if it was gba they'd have a screen shake which would sell the power of the crit more

>>714397680 (OP)
It won. In my heart.

>>714405384
I GUESS you would appreciate the Emblems more if you had played their respective games but no, Engage is perfectly fine as your first Fire Emblem game.
The gameplay and maps are pretty good, it's a great way to start the series. The story IS kind of dumb and cliche but honestly, that is not unusual in this series.

>>714414270
It wasn’t just Alear, there are other major design fumbles (Hortensia and Timerra) as well as perfectly fine designs with like one or two stupid quirks (Ivy’s grill, Celine’s dress, Yunaka’s stickers) that all added up to sink this game’s first impression.

>>714413902
Every major Nintendo IP is undergoing changes to better fit the Nintendo brand open world formula.
>Mario
Guaranteed to be fully open world after Odyssey
>Donkey Kong
Bananza is open world
>Zelda
Already open world
>Pokemon
Already open world
>Yoshi
Nintendo's going to change the formula in an effort to finally make Yoshi sell
>Kirby
Already open world
>Splatoon
Splatoon 4 is guaranteed to be open world to expand the single player
>Xeno
Worst kept secret at Monolith. They ported X for a reason
>Metroid
Ironically, Metroid is safe by virtue of being the face of an entire genre. Even Prime is safe as it's a 3D interpetation of Metroid's iconic segmented level design
>Wario
Completely up in the air. EAD will probably tackle 3D Wario again at some point, but not before the next 3D Mario. Anything could happen with Warioware, but we won't see it for a while since the team is working on Rhythm Heaven right now.

Mario Kart of all IPs going open world should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the new Fire Emblem's development.

>>714416318
>design fumbles
>Hortensia and Timerra
Awful post.

>>714416568
Forgotten Land wasn't open world, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>714397680 (OP)
3H changed, for better or for worse, what people expect from a Fire Emblem game.

>>714416568
Yeah, but IS historically is the one company that does whatever the fuck it wants. See the entire Paper Mario series

>>714416568
>>Kirby
>Already open world

Not having a proper muscle girl is a design flaw

Pick it up FEshitter.

>>714416568
>Kirby
>Open world
Forgotten land isn't even open world. It's the exact same structure as every other Kirby game

I like Three Houses but holy FUCK, I hate those weightless, weak animations with no hitstop. I am so glad Engage corrected that.

>>714413902
>Please ignore trends and what westoids say they want as you usually do, IS.
They did it with Engage. And you see what /v/ thinks of it.

Now be happy with your open world FE game with "realistic" graphics and parry mechanics. (That’s why westerners liked Expedition 33, right?)

>>714416106
>I GUESS you would appreciate the Emblems more if you had played their respective games but no.
""Genuine"" fans would despise this bastardization and fanfictions what the fuck are you talking about.

>>714417216
Paper mario FE would be interesting but I have zero faith in I$.

>>714397680 (OP)
Celebratory title that hard relies on franchise knowledge, also, people were now into the more "realistic" 3H feeling that story had of war drama.

So a more straight cut fantasy game did not vibe with em

Reminder that Engage, Gaiden, New Mystery and maybe also Shadow Dragon are the objectively worst Fire Emblems and this is not up for debate.

>>714417242
I played Eirika's, Lyn's, Corrin's, Byleth's and Celica's games and they felt fine, what am I missing here? How were those or any of the other Emblems mischaracterized?

>>714417492
Shut up faggot.

>>714417494
You have geniunely brain damage if you think they are fine.

>>714417492
Preach it based anon.

Play Berwick Saga

>>714417351
What realistic feeling? It's the same kind of tone they used on FE1 ,4 and 9, it's nothing new to the series. And even those games had good amounts of silliness in it.

>>714417603
Answer the question faggot.
How?

>>714397680 (OP)
I just hated how every character you got somehow ended up being a royal retainer, even when it didn’t really make sense. Kinda made it hard for me to care about the nations and characters when everyone’s just best buddies with the super nice royal family. Like, Pandreo’s a priest, a party animal, a border guard, and a royal retainer, how the hell does he even have time for all that?

>>714417581
He’s right you know, every other Fire Emblem that has a direct analogue to those 4 does it better, while the latter shit the bed in some way or form and are thus made obsolete and worthless.

>>714417713
Anon, you know that no normie has ever played any of those games

>>714417492
Stop samefagging retard.

>>714417713
3H fans didn't play any of those games

>>714417492
That's a funny way of spelling Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn

Fire Emblem "fans" are so fucking insufferable, holy shit.
I'm glad I'm not one of them I guess since I've liked every single one I've played.

>>714416318
>Ivy
Look up real fascinators
>Celine
Her dress is fine.
>Hortensia
If you knew anything about her character you'd know why it works
>Timerra
If you called her the game's dancer, no one would be bitching about it.

Her game was good

>>714420320
So good you have to necrobump its threads 24/7 to pretend they're active

>>714420501
Necrobump chads rule these threads

>>714420501
gottem

>>714414270
Who the fuck are those characters?

>>714397680 (OP)
>Shitendo overshipped copies of Engage to every major retailer in the US because they thought it was gonna sell at minimum 4 million copies
BAHAHAHAHAHAH

Schizo is obsessed

>>714397680 (OP)
>dogshit Fates style setting
>worst localization since Fates
>dogshit plot
>dogshit MU
>dogshit characters
>gay ring gimmick
>existed to shill FEH
>nintendo shafted Fodlan in order to push it

Rape all engageschizos. Only Three Houses 2 can save this franchise.

>>714418820
>If you knew anything about her character you'd know why it works
NTA that doesn't mean its good.
Nor does it do Hortensia any favors.

>>714420758
Characters from Fire Emblem Engage

>>714421249
>nintendo shafted Fodlan in order to push it
Do 3HRTs want FE to just be about Fodlan and nothing else? You got two games in that setting already, it's done.

>>714421402
Rape all 3H schizos. Only Engage 2 can save this franchise.

>>714404096
Still waiting for the doujin of a bunch of villagers cumming all over her food and saying it's part of a fertility festival as a prank.

>>714421496
Nigga, Engage sold less than every single 3DS FE game. Engage 2 ain’t saving SHIT

>>714397680 (OP)
Horrible art and world/story. Plus it was completely butchered by the censorship so you can't marry the cutest girls. I might pirate the Japanese version one day. Is there an English patch?

>>714421641
It sold better than Echoes

>>714421249
Fire Emblem hasn't done an original sequel game since Radiant Dawn (2007). You weren't ever, and aren't ever getting another Fodlan game. It's over, let it go.

>>714421641
Neither 3H. Unless you count being taken over by Reddit normies as "being saved"

>>714421787
Anything will sell better than that SAO rip off

>>714421803
>Three hopes

>one guy is talking about sales and the other about series integrity
Honestly hilarious, you two are basically just shouting at the walls behind each other.

>>714421850
>Echoes
>SAO
H-huh?

>>714421861
spinoff slop

>>714421964
They're both fucking retarded. The type of FE "fan" who thinks Awakening "saved" the series.

>>714421787
Echoes is NTR bait slop. 99.9% of echoes is Celica getting dicked down by dark skinned bandits.

>>714422060
It's telling that the only Echoes character that people post is Celica. The artstyle really didn't hold up beyond just being pretty to look at for a glance.

>>714422094
And yet…still better than 90% of the main franchise! Wow!

>>714422164
Can’t this be said about most of Kaga-era fire emblem games?

Heroes is the best FE game since it made the most money
>This is what salesfags unironically try to argue

FE should have lesbian marriage but not gay marriage

>>714422247
Not beating the Fodlanigger=Persona fanboy allegations

>>714422328
>strawman fallacy

>>714422386
I’m not trying to beat the “allegations”. Persona 4 rapes the fuck outta almost every single FE game.

>>714418820
>Hortensia
>If you knew anything about her character you'd know why it works

Okay so I'm going to call bullshit on this part here. And my reasoning comes from a January 17th 2023 interview with Engage's developers

>Yokota: So then... Did you just approach her and ask her to draw 50 or so characters without any information about the game, like you'd normally do? (Laughs)

>Tei: Well, yes... (Laughs)

>Nakanishi: If Intelligent Systems asks you to design 50 characters, it's pretty obvious that it's for a new Fire Emblem™ game, right? (Laughs)

>Tei: Well, I thought it'd be better to be upfront about the request. That said, there was one concern she had. Since she usually draws young characters, she was concerned about her confidence level in some of the character design. It's true that the designer's skills should not be limited to drawing cool nobles and young girls. In Fire Emblem, there are a variety of characters like hardened soldiers, and on top of that they need to be able to draw armor, weapons, and creatures like Pegasuses.

Hortensia was NOT designed with intent. None of the characters were. Pikazo was asked to draw a bunch of character designs with no context as to who they are or where they fit in the narrative. Hortensia was just as likely to end up in Brodia given the circumstances of her creation.

>>714422404
What's the strawman? If sales=quality, then Heroes is the best FE game by a longshot.

Oh it's stupid bait hours

grim

>>714397680 (OP)
There's nothign particularly wrong with this game.

The supports are crappy, but nothing could compare to the depth of writing in Three Houses.

The story is not bad, it doesn't have to be complex like Three Houses to make a fun game.

Engage is fun to play from start to finish and there is no flaw that prevents you from enjoying it, this is all that matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYqfEJ19qhQ

>>714422493
It's hilarious to me you will never get another 3H (lol
Year in and year out you're in a thread for a series of games you loathe, begging for a sequel to the most un-FElike Fire Emblem, that will never exist. What a fucking kek.

>>714422543
>F2P gacha sloppa trash riding off the hype of Fates and Awakening
Not even close to actual main series revenue. Go strawman somewhere else. I hear ResetEra is hiring.

>>714422674
3H is riding the hype of Heroes by that logic

>>714416318
Go on, tell us what's wrong with Hortensia and Timerra, faggot libtard

>>714422663
And you will NEVER get another Kaga SLOPPA game ever again. Even if we never get another Fodlan game, 3H’s new additions like hub worlds and persona style calendar WILL remain.

>>714422493
>Persona 4 rapes the fuck outta almost every single FE game

>>714422797
>3H’s new additions like hub worlds

3H... didn't invent the hub. My Castle existed before 3H

>>714422797
>hub worlds
>New
Huh?

>>714422885
And SS existed before that, not to mention Gaiden

>>714422885
My Castle is nowhere near the complexity of Chad Houses Monastery.

>>714422797
The calendar is already gone as of Engage, homosexual secondary. FE fans will continue to embrace change, and your dying fanbase of millennial women and genderqueers will slowly wither away, sooner than dare to play a different FE game. I'm looking forward to the crazy unpredictable future.

>>714422838
>FEnigga has no argument because if they name a single FE game they’ll know Persona 4 rapes it

>>714422797
The hub in Engange is more ssimilar to Fates Mycastle, than to the Monastery in Houses.

Dumb switchbaby

>>714423021
Nintendo and IS are known to overcorrect changes. Look at Zelda. They’ll see the low sales of EnGAYge and circle back to adding everything 3H did. Calendar…CHECK, Complex Hub World like the Monastery…CHECK, removal of the gay ass weapon triangle…CHECK, well written and thought provoking characters with depth….CHECK.

>>714397680 (OP)
felt like playing this recently, seems like a lot of effort to yarhar it though and get it running with all dlc so i probably wont bother.
first time i've had an urge to play any fe post 12 honestly

>>714422964
3H's monastery isn't very complex. I argued this in another thread but the problem with the monastery isn't the things it offers. It's the size. 3H insists on making the monastery a world into itself. Which is neat your first go round until you remember you have to fill it with things and there just isn't enough vendors or characters to do that in a snappy way. So you're either running for hour's worth of game or you're slogging through constant load screens for things that really could've been a menu. Most of the market is a menu. That you can access on the deployment screen. I can't argue against people who feel resentful that the other vendors within the monastery couldn't get the same treatment

>>714423242
This just comes across as incredibly tone deaf to me. Be honest, how long have you been a series of these games? I'm razzing you as a giga casual right now, but you genuinely don't seem to know how IS operates. They're on schizophrenia levels unseen elsewhere. They gave us a fucking Gaiden remake after Fates. Nothing is safe.

>>714421437
Fodlan fans want more games in Fodlan because the eight (8) different stories it got were all incomplete or full of so many plot holes it looked like a wedge of cheese from Tom & Jerry.

What are the left wing, center and right wing FE games?

>>714423391
My first FE game was FE8 back in 2013 on my hacked DS.

>>714423309
The monastery in Houses is the biggest hurdle preventing players from completing all 4 routes and the main cause of the toxic infighting that stems from widespread ignorance of most of the game's plot. If the game encouraged Blue Lions players to actually play the main story in Black Eagles they would understand the game's meaning so much better. (All enjoy the much better designed maps in CF)

>>714423469
There are no plot holes in Fodlan, you probably misunderstood the story or are ignorant of details.

O my 5 year coma

>>714423472
They are all right wing games, since they are all pro-monarchism and divine lineage

>>714423472
Not including all games:
>Left wing
Radiant Yawn, Azure Moon
>Center
Awakening, Path of Radiance
>Right wing
Fates Conquest, Crimson Flower, Shadows of Valentia

>>714423892
>not including all games
Yeah that's an understatement
Try including the good games next time

>>714397680 (OP)
The character design, story writing and voice acting got really shitty after Fates and Echoes

MY FUARKING HERO

>>714423676
Eh there's quite a few. On my most charitable there are plot contrivances on every corner. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Fodlan lore and biased information is by design. But when you ask a question of "why didn't Byleth attempt Divine Pulse in like most situations" you start to gain a bit of empathy for 3H's critics. In fact, 3H shares several problems with Bioshock Infinite. Which is hard for me to say because I like 3H but I think Bioshock Infinite is garbled nonsense

>>714424157

>>714424271
>yelling guy is actually right
Based.

>>714423676
>Dubstep Mole People disappearing after Arianrohd in Eagles unless you marry Jeritza
>Dubstep Mole People disappearing in Lions after Dimitri mercs Thales while he's still in disguise
>Dimitri's entire lack of appearance in Church except for his one ghost appearance
>nearly eveything in Wolves story, from Abyss' secrecy, to Rhea spilling the beans on Sitri early when this is supposed to be still pre-skip, to Yuri's entire character
Just a few off the top of my head.

>yet another anti-engage thread for some reason
>open it
>another 3HRT thread with edeltards spamming like DBZ spics
every single time

>>714424438
You do the same shit.

Are there any drastic changes when it comes to supports in 3h English localization?
I could swear Ingrid was saying something about Sylvain wanting to fuck a boy in their C support but it was translated as scarecrow

>>714424476
Not as bad as WOKESLOP SHITENDO TREEHOUSE censorship that engage and Fates had.

>>714424406
>Dubstep Mole People disappearing after Arianrohd in Eagles unless you marry Jeritza
They didn't disappear in CF, they are mentioned many times in the endings.

>Dubstep Mole People disappearing in Lions after Dimitri mercs Thales while he's still in disguise
>Dimitri's entire lack of appearance in Church except for his one ghost appearance
Both are intentional, Azure moon is supposed to leave loose ends because it is a bad end. Dimitri is never shown in Silver Snow because he is irrelevant to the story and exists only as a foil to Edelgard's ideals.

>>nearly eveything in Wolves story, from Abyss' secrecy, to Rhea spilling the beans on Sitri early when this is supposed to be still pre-skip, to Yuri's entire character
I don't understand what are these about.

>>714424693
>Azure moon is supposed to leave loose ends because it is a bad end
What kind of fanfiction is this?

>>714424476
I coulda sworn patchimg Bernadetta's support to remove the part where her dad was hitting her and having her tied to a chair was one example of that, but evidently the Japs also removed that too on theirs. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the "Ermmmm, that's actually really problematic???" posts from the West had a big part in the cutting of that entire part from both regions, though.

>>714424476
Actually it's surprising how dogpiss the 3H trannylation is, just nobody talks about it for whatever reason.
Nowhere close to fates or engage levels of borderline edited MTL plus shoehorned politics, but it's damn close.

>>714424476
There's that one

In CF, a knight remarks on his frustration with commoners revolting against the idea of the dissolution of the church. And that Hubert had to start a propaganda campaign to get people to calm down

Bernadetta had a support where she admits how her father abused her and tied her to a chair until she could become the perfect wife. Which was translated and then removed in the dub.

For that matter in her S support with Byleth, when Byleth approaches her in the Goddess Tower, Bernadetta thinks he's there to rape her. In the dub, Bernadetta thinks Byleth is there to kill her

>>714424745
Azure Moon is literally a reskin of Silver Snow.

>>714424825
Also, Edelgard thinks Byleth is being a perv at night in their C support.

>>714424773
So they were fine with Mercedes almost being raped by not with Bernadetta?
Double standards

>>714424693
>Azure Moon
>Bad end
Bro, this route is probably the closest thing to a "golden ending" in this game

>>714424872
>that absolute lack of chapters on Black Eagles
I'm still mad, fuck me for picking that as my first playthrough route, I guess. Could've been kino too if the route ended on a final showdown with Thales or Nemesis, and you can't use Divine Pulse anymore following the last battle with Rhea.

>>714424872
3HRTrannies will defend this shit

>game is deeply repetitive and recycled, forcing you to replay it 4 times for tiny shit-nuggets of its chopped up, threadbare plot
>its own fans acknowledge this, evidently
>but also best writing in the series guise
ermmm ok...

>>714414334
smellius fags are always saying the game is only "a little" slow so now they get to lie in the bed they made. or they would if they were even going to replay/played the game in the first place

>>714424825
It's not that Bernie thought Byleth was going to rape her. It's that she thought Byleth was there to have sex with her

>ENG
>Bernadetta: The Goddess Tower? What are we doing here?
>This is it... We're all alone... The perfect time... You're going to kill me, aren't you??!

>Byleth: -I would never do that.

>Bernadetta: All right, I've made up my peace, and for what it's worth, I'm glad its'sー Wait, you wouldn't?
>Of course you wouldn't. I'm not even worth killing, am I?
>I knew it all along. I'll go lock myself away now.

>JP
>Bernadetta: T-this place... is the Goddess Tower, isn't it? What are we doing here?
>C-c-could it be... since it's just the two of us here.... you're gonna "do it" with me...?!

>Byleth: -That's not it.

>Bernadetta: I-I'm up for the challenge! ...That's not it, you say? Ah, I see.
>Of course. You're not really interested in me, so I understand.
>That's fine, Professor. I understand. I'm going back to being a shut-in, then!

>>714425487
Kekmo paid the SBI extortion fee, IS never does for all the other games.
Thus 3H gets the shilling while all the other games sans the tranius ones for the old good new bad angle get shit on.
It's not rocket science.

>>714425487
>but also best writing in the series guise
3H only has interesting world building. The plot and writing are fucking dogshit and 3 Copes failed to improve anything
It's objectively one of the most overrated games of all time only enjoyed by literal groomers

>>714397680 (OP)
Didn't it sold like a million copies and got high reviews all around?

>>714425653
>I-I'm up for the challenge!

>>714425487
This is the part where the defense will go "muh deep lore, muh deep worldbuilding", because they name a bunch of places, people, and things that happened, and never show them to you. Like Holst. Good old Holst, what a swell guy.

To be completely fair though, when Three Hopes actually started showing off all the named, not-shown chars in Houses and having them act on stuff, it was a very cool follow-up to 3H. Just a shame the gameplay ended up being one of the most sterile Musou games at the end of the day.

>>714424778
I wish English version had an option to enable Japanese subtitles just like they have for audio
One would think that implementing multiple subs is easier than multiple audio tracks

>>714425487
>but also best writing in the series guise
not wrong, but it was literally just Koei Tecmo rehashing Romance of the Three Kingdoms fore the millionth time.

>>714426479
can you blame them? until ryza that was literally the only thing from them that ever sold numbers to justify their bloatening budgets

>>714426031
To be fair, when people bring up DEEP LORE they're usually doing so to contextualize the things the characters are doing. So Dimitri screaming at ghosts isn't just because he's mentally ill. It's because there really was a conspiracy headed by half his country if you're sane and 1000 year old mole people if you're insane. Only Dimitri knows and no one will believe him but he's not willing to let it go so he's a 3 post dissertation on the Tragedy of Duscur and it's effects on no less than 10 noble houses and 2 countries.

>>714426479
Did RotTK have horny dragon milf bishops lusting over some autistic kid with a heart that came from their mother ?

>>714424778
the FE4 remake is doomed

>>714426815
remove the "dragon" part and they have two in the original novel, though kekmo only ever properly adapts one

>>714426960
who is she?

>>714416568
>Kirby
>Open world
Really pushing the boundaries of what you can define as "Open World" with that one.
Its just 3d stages.

>>714427135
NTA but lady wu, and zhenji, though the later gets cured from her shota fetish after caocao dicks her.

>>714426815
If you mean tesseract of incest, then yes.

Look, it should tell you a lot when the literal name of the game in japanese is a poem from the romance of the three kingdoms and the english name of the game is the three fucking kingdoms (houses)

>>714427491
>zhenji
Meh, Rhea is hotter
>gets cured from her shota fetish
Even worse

>>714425653
is it still a rape if the girl is willing?

>>714424251
Saying “why didn’t Byleth use divine pulse” is just like saying “why didn’t they use phoenix downs” in Final Fantasy.

>>714427491
>Lady wu has a shota fetish
? Never seen that one before.

>>714425653
why are hikkis the horniest

>>714428690
>seen
Read the novel, uncensored if you can find a pdf copy of said novel, it's unironic unhinged kino.

>>714428598
byleth uses divine pulse to majorly affect the trajectory of the story in the first ten minutes of the story

>>714426780
Dimitri I think is a good example of "heard, but not seen", because the game did a good job at painting all his and Edelgard's background to make up his route in full, and Edelgard has her well-established background in her route as well - I haven't played Claude's route the whole way through, so I can't speak to his background. I take exception however to when people argue the side-cast of Three Houses is the best FE had to offer yet, when that's the exact thing that gripes me - half their lands, families, experiences, etc. are just talked about, never shown, and we're supposed to accept they're deep characters because they have a complex web of relationships with different characters in the lore, are seeped in tragedy, or have a nobility lineage that's vast and powerful in the game's political heirarchy.
I named Holst as a specific example, because this is a guy who's supposed to not only be important to Hilda, but like several other characters and factions at large, and he just never appears on-screen. I remember a mission in which Edelgard and Hubert talked about Holst never showing up to a meeting because he got sick from a mushroom, and I was left wondering just what kind of guy he was and how his interactions working under Edelgard would be - especially since I'm pretty sure around that point, not two missions ago or so, I had Ferdinand run a spear through Hilda's face, and I'd imagine he'd be holding a grudge over that.

>>714428598
it's used twice iirc. once sothis uses it to save byleth from edeltard's bandits in the beginning the other byleth uses it to try and save jeralt and it doesn't work because the plot wants to kill him. it opens the door of why don't they use it in other scenarios.

>>714429209
adding to this echoes is clumsy with turnwheel as well, but it doesn't bring attention to it like 3h does.
funny enough engage's writing fully accounts for the time stone.

>>714429185
the thing is that the series as a whole is very small scale when it comes to stories. Like if you play something like Super Robot Wars OG you'll see how minimal stories and character interactions are in Fire Emblem.

So when Three Houses came which is adequate people lost their shit. Like yeah it's the best the series has shown so far, but that's also because the series standard everyone is used to a couple of lines between dialogue and some supports that regurgigate the same character traits and that's it.

>>714424778
You know why

>>714429369
>Let’s not use the crystal to
>Prevent Lumera’s death
>Prevent Morion’s death
>Or not fall into that trap with the unbeatable door
Good joke

>>714428598
It's not. Mainly because unlike Divine Pulse, Final Fantasy doesn't reference Phoenix Downs in canon events, making it easier to dismiss it as a gameplay mechanic.

But fine if we must go down this road, let's talk about why Bioshock Infinite is terrible and why I'm sad 3H took leaf out of its book. Infinite handwaves it's multiverse by claiming there are "constants and variables." Canon events that must happen and events where there is free will. This is fucking dumb. All of time is concurrent and events happen in the context of previous events. Booker choosing whether to be baptized or not determines the birth of a whole new person who then must have constants and variables applied to her or none at all since she doesn't exist. Going back to 3H, Byleth deciding which classes they can teach determines who will live and who will die. Jeralt dies and Byleth using Divine Pulse doesn't change it because, according to Sothis, destiny has decided Jeralt must die. But why? 3 Hopes can have Jeralt survive. So obviously destiny is okay with Jeralt living under certain circumstances. I can Divine Pulse to undo the deaths of my own army. If Ashe fucks up and gets crit then he and Mercedes behind him can die while ordering him to stay back 5 feet means both will live. Why can't you do that with Rodrigue? Or with Randolph? If you don't want to write around Byleth having literal time travel, just don't bring it up. Gaiden doesn't. But since 3H does the story must abide by it and it breaks more than it fixes. Engage does this shit too and IS calls even more attention to it.

>>714429865
>happens before alear even gets the stone
>he was in custody an entire chapter ago and it's established the stone can only work in short time periods
>gets stolen from alear

I'm replaying Engage and i am once again in awe of how goated Louis is

Good to know Persona lives rent free in your heads.

>>714430221
Louis is literally just a thinly veiled Jagen

>>714425487
>>714429525
If I had for Fire Emblem’s stories was Kumoro’s dogshit writing, I’d probably think Houses was a masterpiece too.

>>714430221
Louis keeps the girls in your army alive so he can goon to them later

>>714429525
This is correct. The issue isn't that 3H is uniquely good. Just that 3H put in notably more effort than other entries in the series and fans got curious.

>>714429525
>So when Three Houses came which is adequate people lost their shit.
maybe if troonhouse didnt keep cutting content from the games out of lazyness this wouldnt be a problem

Persona won.

>>714430046
>>714428598
Is it not easier to just handwave away the gameplay mechanics as saying "They wouldn't work that way in the lore"

Like
>They couldn't use the time crystal in Engage to undo major plot threads because it only works during battle and over short periods, maybe it cant affect fate too much whatever
>Phoenix downs dont resurrect someone from the dead, they give recently knocked out allies a second chance when used soon after

Its a lot easier to judge them like that then try to explain why they COULD have worked within the context of the story

>an active FE thread for once
Yeah newKINGS run these threads. Fuck oldcucks and their shitty games. That Roy thread took an entire day to reach 250 posts lmao

>>714428598
FF has. Just ask Bartz and his honeys.
Phoenix Down don't cure death or fatal injuries, just revitalizes from unconsciousness.

>>714430408
What the actual fuck
How did that pass LQA

>>714429185
I'm not saying you're totally wrong. However, by the design, 3H can't allow most of the cast to take an effect on the plot when most of them can just up and die at any time. So instead they're used to reflect a part of Fodlan society and give you a picture of places and people's and concepts that the game's scenario designers didn't seem to have time for.

I will forever be furious that Ashe and Dorothea don't have supports with one another. Both are poor commoners who were adopted by rich nobles off the street. But Ashe was treated as a true son by Lonato and Ashe joined the academy explicitly to be like him. It's why Ashe is miserable for like 5 chapters after Lonato's death. Meanwhile Dorothea was adopted to be used as a money generating machine. She was groomed into being a diva as an investment. And her seeing the fakeness of the nobility, in addition to her father trying to fuck her, made her hate the nobility from the bottom of her soul. What a perfect yin yang between 2 people with similar circumstances but entirely different perspectives. Why don't they talk KT?!?

>>714430589
>>an active FE thread for once
the local jeet keeps carrying a daily antiengage thread to bump limit anon
its not a new thing either, its been happening for a month

>>714430831
>month
2 years

>>714430831
Pretty based ngl.

>>714430774
>in addition to her father trying to fuck her,
just how many 3h girls have this problem with their fathers?
Also why do you want good boy like Ashe to support some slut?

>>714397680 (OP)
Remember when the game leaked, everybody saw toothpaste chan and wanted to believe it was fake?

That's why nobody bought it. I'm not kidding. The main character was so horribly designed that it repelled people.

>>714397680 (OP)
It followed up 3 Houses.
Whether you think 3 Houses was good or shit, it broke into the normie market in a way no other Fire Emblem did.
Engage was a return to form, in the sense that a bunch of people who got in for 3 houses violently cringed when they saw it, and didn't realize Engage is more representative of the average Fire Emblem game, and 3 houses is the weird outlier game.

>>714430470
Well this is what I'm talking about. If you can't avoid a gameplay/ narrative conflict then you just don't talk about it. FF7 has Bahamut ZERO, a giant dragon that lives in space that can fire an energy blast so powerful it pushes the clouds out of the way. The impact turns the ground into liquid. This thing should disrupt the entire planet by its existence. But it's not canon so no one talks about it. After the tutorial, 3H should never have brought up Divine Pulse again. If someone asks, Byleth can just see visions of the future and reacts accordingly. Like Shulk from Xenoblade

>>714403334
Xenoblade series has done great on the platform.
Fire Emblem also did stellar numbers...with Three Houses. 4M+ turned into 1.6M for Engage.

People still talk about Xenoblade. People wont shut the fuck up about how badly they want to see what Monolith Soft is working on. Because people like Monolith Soft. Notice how nobody is thirsty to know what Intelligent Systems is working on lol. Nobody cares.

>>714431072
>Engage was a return to form
>return to form

>>714430408
>maybe if troonhouse didnt keep cutting content from the games out of lazyness this wouldnt be a problem
no, what I mean is that your usual fire emblem story is like

>Chapter start
>Protagonists talk to each other for a bit about plot point
>Enemy arrives
>Chapter happens almost in a vaccum
>Chapter ends
>Protagonists talk to each other a bit more
>End of chapter

There's no real sense of your characters existing as a group past the few leaders. It doesn't feel like an integrated cast and the story is extremely linear.

One of the reason why I said Super Robot Wars OGs it's because it's super similar to Fire Emblem in that it's a character focused SRPG and not only it has a larger cast of characters, it also somehow manages to make everyoen integrated and related to each other. Despite there being like 30 or so playable charcters nobody feels like a waste. Hell even NPCs in the story don't feel like throwaways because it was made by people who know how to write a story

>>714430986
>just how many 3h girls have this problem with their fathers?
By memory? There's just Dorothea and Mercedes. Ingrid's father technically wants to sell his daughter to save their family home although he does love her and will refuse a marriage proposal if the guy is a dangerous criminal.

>>714431129
>3H should never have brought up Divine Pulse again.
Wow 3HRT fags really didn't play the game or did you forgot that byleth used it again to try to save Jeralt when he got stabbed.

>>714430986
>Bernie
>Dorothea
>Mercedes
>Annette
>Marianne (I blame her biological father more)

>>714431441
What the fuck? Are you following the conversation? We discussed this part already

>>714431072
>Engage is more representative of the average Fire Emblem game,
Except it's really not.
No other Fire Emblem game has all of your characters transforming, or has the entire plot focus around weird fucking rings that bring in characters from old games. Also, MOST FE games don't have a big ass hub world in between maps that loves to waste your time. Engage was actually a regression in that department when compared to Three Houses. Both are big hubs that love to waste your time, but Three Houses actually provides you with unique flavor text in between missions. Engage is the same thing over and over again and has you doing mindless fitness mini games to get stat boosts. It's absurd. You could cut out the entire hub world of Engage and it would be a MUCH better game for it. It's more like three houses in that way, but worse. It does not represent the entirety of the series whatsoever, even its gameplay is turned on its head.

>>714431446
>Annette
Wait, Gilbert wants to fuck her? Fuck this guy then, I am not having dinners with him and Annette

>>714424778
what mod untranny the game? Is it this one? https://gamebanana.com/mods/510547

>>714431510
muh divine pulse doesn't come back huh, dumbass

>>714431129
This
Aerith dying in FF7 works because there is never an attempt to suggest Pheonix Downs actually, functionally exist or resurrect the dead. There is not a person sitting in a store, loudly pondering if they want to buy a phoenix down to revive their grandma that just died, before she times out of the 10 minute window, or whatever the fuck. When the Midgar plate drops, Barrett reacts with finality and desperation, not "fuck, guys, we need to raise 20 hrand for phoenix downs".
If FF7 DID do these things, it would be fair game to call everyone a retard for not just rezzing Aerith and moving on with the day.
These Fire Emblem games TRY to incorporate rewind time into the plot, which means, it's part of the plot. Any time something happens, it has to either be assumed they could have rewinded, but chose not to, or they did rewind, and this was the best they could do, which usually doesn't hold up.
Every time someone dies, it's because Byleth/Clear just didn't care, or somehow, even with multiple retries, couldn't save them.

>>714431446
>Bernie
Gregoire wasn't trying to fuck Bernadetta. Only trying to make her a perfect wife so she could be fucked

>Annette
Gustav doesn't want to fuck his daughter. He's trying to escape her. Because he feels he should be allowed to be happy after "allowing" the death of his King. And Annette just wants a relationship with him.

>Marianne
Her father is dead. No one knows why. Margrave Edmun doesn't want to fuck her, he just shipped her off to the academy while he took over duties at the Roundtable

>>714431625
its called "learn japanese", especially now after even sega backpedaled on censoring at the source after the declining yakuza sales

>>714429525
>the thing is that the series as a whole is very small scale when it comes to stories
>the thing is that the series as a whole is very small scale when it comes to stories
I frankly don't understand this notion. 3H characters talk a lot, but they do so little. The entire first half of the game is just fucking around in the monastery and attending galas and sparring matches, before it speedruns the post-timeskip. Like, Claude in AM literally just gives up his kingdom to go backpacking, after we meet up with him for the first time in over 5 years. SILLINESS. Trivial writing.

Have people played Tellius? Jugdral, even? Shit is so much more dense and efficient in those games despite the smaller script, and the size of Tellius's script isn't something to turn your nose up in the first place.
I swear people have invented this myth of 3H prodigiousness to justify it. But a lot of it's hot air, supports about ghosts and baking cakes. It's kind of like a regular Fire Emblem game only with a shitton of background lore and last names to make you think the setting is lived-in, with a story spread like thin cheese on a stale cracker. It's...fine? But a leap forward?

>>714431887
by westoid standards words words words = good writing

>>714431315
I should have said return to form (derogatory), you're right
I mean the series embraced old, bad habits, not had a renaissance or anything.
>>714431569
Of the Nu fire emblem games, released from Awakening, every single one has had either a hub base between missions, or a world map with repeatable battles and side activities. Engage's hub is much more similar to Fates' hub, which is itself more like the Awakening world map between missions.
Again, 3 houses is the oddball outlier here.

>>714424778
You never hear people complain about it because the type of fan 3H attracted is the one that LIKES localization like this. The type that WANTS "creepy Japanese stuff" changed and only watches English dubs of anime. They consider the game is better for it.

Dead series. All the good games are like 15+ years old at this point. Much like all video games. The whole industry isnjust dogshit.

>How much should we censor this game?
Nintendo:
>Yes.

>>714431887
>Jugdral, even?
I mean, have you?

Because I most definetly played Jugdral and I can assure you, that everything people say about the game and it's story is 90% side material and the actual meat and potatoes in the actual game is very very brief.

Same with Tellius. Only Ike, Mist, Titania, Soren and Elinica talk out of the main cast. Everyone else is has only a few base conversations and that's the end of it. It's nowhere close to being robust at all.

In all seriously, if you really want to see what I mean, try Super Robot Wars OGs for the PS2 with the english fan patch. It's very similar to fire emblem in the sense of it's focus on characters and as an SRPG, but you'll be amazed at the night and day difference the plot can make when it's actually dedicating all it's resources towards telling a good story.

>>714431737
>Because he feels he should be allowed to be happy
The he should've just married her to someone and watched how she stopped caring about him
Being a father of a girl is ultimately cucked, there is no happiness in it

>>714431693
Her name's Aeris you little shit stain

>>714432376
I don't care about SRW. I care that you're defending as a meaningful leap forward in terms of story and character depth, when it's more of the same, only spread across too many routes. The side characters do jackshit in the game, as per usual, and it genuinely has the shallowest war plot in the series. Without the monastery phase propping it up, it would seem like the outline of a Fire Emblem plot, and not the plot itself.
Seriously, what does anyone other than the lords and the church officials DO in the game? Half the time they barely even say anything of importance. It's the same shit, but worse insofar that it won't even show you all of the shit in a single run.

>>714431607
No no I was talking about him leaving for a pack of cigarettes

>>714431737
I was referring to general problems with their fathers. Marianne’s original dad is the one who told her that their shared crest will make everyone around them suffer. Imagine telling a girl who is at most 13 that, father of the damn year. As for Edmund, I do wonder if it was also to keep her safe from that guy. He did pay the church a lot of money to keep her crest a secret.

I've been playing JP Fates with an English patch and I gotta say, this game is not much better in Japanese than it was in English. I've seen people claim for years that it was Treehouse fucking up the story and characters (partially true, more like they exacerbate the original problems by creating a few new ones), but this game's writing sucks no matter what version I play.

>>714432376
>Only Ike, Mist, Titania, Soren and Elinica talk out of the main cast.
To be fair PoR is not the only Tellius game
There were way more main characters in RD

>>714432785
>No no I was talking about him leaving for a pack of cigarettes
Ah ok, good then. Maybe I'll allow him to B support Annette then

>>714432928
Nobody ever said the story was better in Japanese. The Japanese version is just better because it doesn't have a bunch of shit removed or awful voices or nonsensical changes.

>>714432785
OH as in general daddy issues. Well then yeah you're right.

In that case I'll add to your list
>Felix
>Ingrid
>Ashe
>Dimitri
>Edelgard
>Caspar
>Hubert (if this counts. He killed his father and hates his memory)
>Ferdinand(to be fair, he learned of his father's actions after he was dead)

Wow. I just realized none of the Deers other than Marianne have daddy issues

>>714432097
No, that's insulting Fates hub and Awakening's which are much quicker and to the point. Engage's takes a lot more time and WASTES your time with mini games if you want the stat boosts. It's an extremely clunky hub world when compared to the 3DS hubs, its not even close. In fact, it's one of the worst aspects of Engage which I'm surprised more people don't bring attention to. Three Houses you can actually make an argument about why its intermissions are actually necessary and at the very least will flesh out the story and the characters, and even have unique dialogue depending on the route. But for a gameplay perspective, it's to teach your students. However, you can put this on auto and still be done with it quicker than you can Engage's world, if you really want to reap the most out of it. Engage's hub offers nothing but tedium. Nobody whined about Fates or Awakening's hub world. You can do everything you need to do in seconds.

>3hrt's resonated with their daddy issues.

>>714432595
My dude
My friend
My collegue.
There's more lore in three houses's fucking library than there's fucking text in the first generation of Genealogy. What do you gain by picking that that hill to die?
You're going nowhere other than a crab bucket mentality where nothing is good and everything is shit to whatever end.

What's your endgame now? That you think three houses is not good enough? Good, I agree. Fire Emblem is not where you should be looking at. You want a really good story, with interesting characters, a complex story with depth that integrates the whole cast?
Don't look at the bottom of the barrel?

>>714403334
It declined less. 3 wasnt complete shit. the series is still doing better than people thought, while engage flopped bigly.

>>714433210
>However, you can put this on auto and still be done with it quicker than you can Engage's world
And then you get fucked in chapter 2 unless you use your troonwheel, accept it buddy your shitty game doesn't respect your time.

>>714432928
treehouse just took something bad and shat on it

Official Hub Rankings
>God Tier
My Castle (Fates)
>Okay Tier
Base (PoR, RD, NM)
>Mid Tier
No hub, just prep menus (Most FEs)
Home Castle (FE4)
Visual Novel style villages (Echoes)
>Bad Tier
Somniel (Engage)
>Absolutely fucking tedious Tier
Garreg Mach (Three Houses)

>>714432994
yeah but there's also like 10 chapters per part and in those like half the cast only appears briefly and never reappears. Elincia hardly does fuckall and she's an alleged protagonist

>>714433392
Xenoshit 3 still doesn't break the 2 million and who the fuck knows about xenoX lol.

For me it's cool beauty big titty goth onee-sans

>>714433392
3 had cuckshit. It was awful

>>714433545
Nope. Kill yourself faggot. Here is the truth
>Good tier
Nothing but prep menus, everything pre Fates
>Dogshit tier
Everything else

Jugdral is too big for a conventional remake. It's going to be open world.

>>714433392
Sounds like a cope to me. The usual counterargument against Engage still selling above most of the series is "well there was a decrease so it's still going to look bad to the people in charge". So it doesn't matter if the numbers are different, Xeno 3 is still in the same exact boat as Engage if we're going by that logic. They will look at it and ask "What did this game do or not do to cause this dropoff?"

>>714433324
cant make this shit up

>>714433545
The best intermission is no intermission at all. You simply proceed to the next chapter after the cutscene.

>>714433210
>mini games if you want the stat boosts.
I assure you, you can survive without +2 Str on Alear from exercises and cooking doesn't take any more than it does in Fates.
>it's one of the worst aspects of Engage which I'm surprised more people don't bring attention to.
probably because it's just you cherrypicking
>you can put this on auto and still be done with it quicker than you can Engage's world
But nothing in the hub world is necessary.
Like when enemies are these massive stat balls do you think your +2 bonuses are doing anything?

>>714433805
>>714433949
My Castle is the best of both worlds. It had stuff to do for people who like hubs but if you just wanted to jump straight to the next chapter, you could do that. Not a single person ever complained about My Castle being tedious.

>>714401965
Because everyone with a brain realizes 3H's success was due to numerous situations that most games would crave for, and was obnoxiously shoved down by personafags since it catered to them specifically.

Most realized 3H really wasn't that good, with most discussions being Edeltards, well, being Edeltards or its fanbase being obnoxiously conceited. Added with how people are actively sick of FE after Byleth's amazingly pathetic trailer and reception for ultimate, the next FE game was never going to sell as well. Add on to it Engage looked like a Vtuber threw up and is bleeding out in the street, unappealing to say the least.

>>714434015
No. Fuck your gay immersion ruining castle. Shit makes no goddamn sense.

>LE SALES LE SALES
LE SALES LE SALES
Fucking die reddit niggers. You guys are less intelligent than the jeets my company hired to wrote shitty buggy code and you likewise have no souls. Gaming was better when there were less customers and that is an absolute fact.

>>714433119
>The Japanese version is just better because it doesn't have a bunch of shit removed
What was even removed aside from the skinship minigame? Which by the way, sucks. It's not a fun minigame and you have better ways of building a support.
>awful voices
Depends on the character. Yuichi Nakamura as Ryoma is probably one of his weakest performances (at least, from the little you do hear of him) and I'm not really a fan of Ryuichi Kijima as Laslow.
>nonsensical changes
That I can agree with. I'm fine with the translation not being 100% one for one since that's pretty much impossible, but some of the changes that were made still baffle me, like Xander through the story of Conquest.

>>714433360
>There's more lore in three houses's fucking library than there's fucking text in the first generation of Genealogy.
You are literally making my case for me.
The game is a massive, windy lore dump lacking substance in the the central plot. If I want to PLAY the game and experience the STORY, I'm left with something pretty shallow, in the end. And I can't even experience it all at once - it's piecemeal across 4+ playthroughs. It's below average in this respect, quite literally.
Oh, but there's a library! So at least I can read up on how Lubreck von Schnortz, of House Schnortz, in the year 981 led the charge against the Delorians in the Battle of the Druigh-Scourge, in the Haute Couture Mountains. Exciting!

My endgame is simple: get back to what fucking matters in Fire Emblem. Cut out the hub shit, and the route shit, and the slice of life crap, and the nothing plots. Write a compact plot that tells a coherent, sensible story, rather than trying to break word count records. Is that really hard to understand?

>>714434030
>Because everyone with a brain realizes 3H's success was due to numerous situations that most games would crave for, and was obnoxiously shoved down by personafags since it catered to them specifically.
weirdly long way to just say "KT paid the SBI extortion fee and IS didnt"

>>714434290
>Is that really hard to understand?
Yes

Because it seems to me like you want Fire Emblem Heroes.

>>714434290
>My endgame is simple: get back to what fucking matters in Fire Emblem. Cut out the hub shit, and the route shit, and the slice of life crap, and the nothing plots. Write a compact plot that tells a coherent, sensible story, rather than trying to break word count records. Is that really hard to understand?
NTA but they did that and your franchise almost died and I'm expecting the next game to piss off and not please anyone.

Hubs having shops is an objective improvement to old FE.

>>714434476
>muh Heroes
You mean the garbage I don't play?
Nigger, I literally told you what games I admire. Jugdral nailed this shit perfectly 30 years ago. They just need to hit the reset button and get back to basics, then build carefully on that foundation. Echoes was always a soft reset, whatever else you may say about it.
>>714434545
There is no rightful reason why a Tellius style plot couldn't be successful, and I'm not even a big Tellius fan honestly. But the structure of it is fine. It might not attract every normoid under the sun, but good riddance.

It doesn’t matter what the next one does cause localization will be sure to scrub anything “offensive”.

>>714434545
To be fair it was also a shitty NES remake that felt oudated even by it's time.

People need to make do with the fact that old isn't better

>>714434179
>gay immersion ruining castle
We're not talking about the hubs lorewise, we're talking about them gameplaywise. Otherwise My Castle would be at the very fucking bottom of the list. In an ideal FE game, I'd have My Castle but as an army base camp.

>>714434850
>old isnt better
>meanwhile all the best games are old, fire emblem and otherwise
Your brain never properly developed wrinkles.

if you didn't do this recruitment you DID NOT beat the game

>>714434812
>>714434812
>Jugdral nailed this shit perfectly 30 years ago.
FE4 is so fucking shallow man, I have no idea why are you fellating this one. Like if a cutscene happens annoyingly in the game engine taking up a gorillion years for units to move then you're just easily impressed, man.

>You mean the garbage I don't play?
So you are the type of person to shit on something you haven't played.

Have you actually played Three Houses?

>>714434950
Conquest may be 10 years old, but it isn't that old.
Literally better than Thracia 776.

Engage did chapter 22 better than Thracia too, btw.

lorefags have ruined modern gaming
>brooo but the lore is so deep though did you know if you check the statue in the penisrock cave 88 times at 5:37 am on a blood moon it will tell you this vital plot detail that the game should have told you by just fucking playing it normally

>>714435240
>Like if a cutscene happens annoyingly in the game engine taking up a gorillion years for units to move then you're just easily impressed, man.
So the artists of an SNES game understood how to build up visual drama with limited 2D tools, in-engine. While Dimitri flaccidly schizos out at Remire with his classmates standing in a semicircle, dimly commenting on his mental deterioration.
And you'll spin this as a flaw of Genealogy, and a strength of 3H, because as we know, old bad. Old thing...so stinky, so old. Old things always get it wrong, am I right?

>>714397680 (OP)
toothpaste MC
would literally never touch it
the main character design is completely repulsive you'd have to be a complete fucking cretin to buy that shit

>>714422529
Cope.

>>714435446
>shitquest
Yep, definitely smoothbrained.

>>714435783
No, man it's just them literally not being able to do much better with the technology they had available. Trabant casually walking over with a horse slayer, doing the mediocre crit animation killing Cuan and his wife who literally and unironically doesn't have anything to do other than force a story point later on but couldn't justify it in a better way than pure ass bad writing, all while everything else is standing stationary on the map is no different than what you describe.
You're facinated because it's old, but it's just as much of a slop as what you hate, it was just made in a time you currently cannot comprehend well.

I am not talking about three houses's strengths. What I am telling you is that FE4 is an extremely shallow game, literal the easy as shit game visual novel slop of it's era. And you're slurping it not because you don't know any better, but because you think fellating ancient, broken, outdated slop gives you some form of prestige.

>>714413968
what's wrong with the cucumber woman's eyes they're slipping off of her face

>>714414475
3H was bad enough in terms of writing to make me drop the franchise, unbelievably insulting

the people who play these games must have never read an actual book or seen a decent movie

>>714436250
Hey, I'm about to blow your mind further, since I can clearly tell you haven't played both games and I have.
Conquest in Lunatic is infinetly more difficult than Thracia despite being lauded as hard. Thracia is filled with so many cruthces, so much leniency, and the tools you have are so bullshit broken there's hardly any tension and the only real "difficulty" in thracia is by givng you tedious side objectives that often boil down to you having to escort NPCs or you having to sit down and dodge tank a myriad of enemies with less than 15% hit rate

>>714435783
>So the artists of an SNES game understood how to build up visual drama with limited 2D tools, in-engine.
nigga they didn't even know how to make characters look sad

>>714432376
>SRW OG
Everything that SRW brings up is related to the plot at hand or alludes to things that will eventually be relevant to the sequels (if you're familiar with the source).
Unlike 3H where it has a lot of lore but barely does anything with said lore. Almyra is the most egregious example of something being so underdeveloped despite its relevance to Claude and the alliance.

>>714436729
You can't even spell the word crutches properly, smoothbrain.

>>714435639
What’s the matter gaymplayfag? Afraid you might read something?

>>714436418
Jugdral is just magical. I love the way everything happens in-map, how integrated the story is with the gameplay, how you constantly "feel" the story in the movement itself. You're trying to spin it as a negative and I just think you sound crazy.
3H's issues with presentation are not unique to it, it's a problem with all modern Fire Emblem games that eschew portraits in favor of 3D models in the cutscenes. I really just wanted to point out how ridiculous it is to place 3H on the "best FE story writing" pedestal when it fucks up so constantly and egregiously. And we've moved somewhat beyond the scope of that discussion.

I'm also not that much of an oldfag. I'm playing 13 Sentinels right now which mogs all FE in the character writing and the presentation, so I give credit to the new where it's due. I just think 3H sucks cocks and is not fun.

>>714436920
not as afraid as lorekeks are of playing a video game instead of jerking themselves off about how many words their microsoft word document has

>>714436825
>things that will eventually be relevant to the sequels
that doesn't demerit the product. Sure a lot is left open because the world is alive, nothing is ever truly over. Like the fact that at the end of the 60+ or so hours of gameplay across like 90 SRPG chapters worth of content you will be left wanting even more is hardly a negative.

>>714436859
And you can't even even come to defend the games that you love.
Because you never played them yourself. Did you at least watch a let's play or do you just have the wiki tabs open at all times.

>muh lore
>Muh story
The fact that princes and even reigning kings have to pay gold put of pocket for merchant wares already makes this shit dumb.

>>714422964
It's literally just a glorified menu. What's complex about it? You do laps in between missions talking to NPCs and buying shit and distributing it on a second lap to the retards in your army and doing the gayest fucking minigames ever--fishing and tea parties are so shit you wonder why they included them

>>714437686
The games contextualize it as war funds.

>>714437571
There's no point in arguing with smooth brain reddit faggots like you, you just want to argue for arguments sake. So I will continue to give you meaningless replies, that's what you are worth.

>>714437262
We’re not afraid. Unlike you gameplay subhumans who are afraid of a little reading and thinking.

>>714437001
Yeah, what I am trying to make you realize is that you feel is "magical" is the exact same equivalent of today's Engage Cutscene of several 3D models standing around showing a picture of an item and discussing it.

You're trying to elevate a convenience to a higher degree of presentation when it's literally the developers being ~unable to do any better~. This interpretation is literally a (you) perception and that's why you're backs against the wall alone dying on this hill.

And much like how judgral's cheap 2D sprites eventually became the polished 2D animations of GBA era, the trashy 3D models in three houses already got elevated to expressive 3D models in Engage.
Thank god Engage ditched the stupid static portraits that have been outdated for a decade and moved on to actually expressing emotion via animations in the menu. They need to keep making that progress.

I don't think you're old, quite the opposite, I think you're young and fascinated by that which came before your time without understanding it's context. Know this: progress nevers goes back only forward.

>>714437892
>Yeah man I know there's an insurgency of cultists that will bring doom to the continent but the sword is 3000g

Who cares, where's the porn

>>714437913
oh but you're taking me seriously already. Did you really think two different people are giving you the time of day on your retarded takes, how naïve

>>714438087
That's every JRPG ever to be fair.

>>714437001
>I love the way everything happens in-map, how integrated the story is with the gameplay, how you constantly "feel" the story in the movement itself.
Honestly, same. But this is an opinion that the big majority don't share. (That’s why you see everyone and their mothers asking for remakes of any "outdated" stuff)

>>714438101
Here.

>>714438087
>A Byzantine emperor dealing with barbarian invasion got coup’d over trying to save money.
Turns out people won’t do shit for free.

I refuse to take Jugdral's tryhard "10000000000 children are being sacrificed EVERY DAY" premise seriously

>>714438084
You come across a bit dull. You make wild accusations, about my age for instance (born '91), and very silly, reductive arguments.

Example of a reductive argument: 2D sprite cutscenes are "the exact same equivalent" of 3D models standing around and doing nothing. I mean, it's obviously not exact, at minimum. I feel any rational person should see that. Is it even proximal, I wonder?
Well, for one thing, the 2D sprites are rather purposefully animated during cutscenes in Jugdral. Whereas 3H/Engage/Fates/Awakening models are just kinda hanging out there, with no real choreography. So no, I don't even think they're even approximately similar.

You also call things you don't like "cheap" or say "it's just the best they could." Do you suppose Genealogy was a "cheap" game for its time? You think there is nothing aesthetically intentional in the game, it's all just a series of impoverished ecisions? You honestly believe that?

God, I hope not.

>>714431072
>Engage was a return to form
The only game it was like is Fates.

>>714397680 (OP)
Unironically the gayest artstyle ive seen in such a well.known series. The 90s anime look the series has generslly stuck with worked becaise you didnt need to be a terminal weeb to enjoy the game.
>>714397841
I had no idea he had a lisp too but im really not surprised kek.

I know people don't want to admit it but I think the whacky dual-colored hair is what caused the game to sell so much less than 3H. I truly wonder if they just gave alear a normal hair color if it would've sold a lot better than it did

Official Definitive Fire Emblem Game Tier List

S Tier
>FE 4, FE 7, FE 9

A Tier
>FE 8, FE 10, FE 6, FE 5. FE 3

B tier
>FE 11, FE 12, FE 13, FE 15

C Tier
>FE 1, FE 2

D tier
>FE 16

F Tier
>FE 14, FE 17

>>714438690
>Hey Anna, there's a giant black dragon flying around the sky that plunged the world into despair the last time it was around, should we help the kingdom for credit?
>don't lower the price and don't take credit, nothing ever happens
>But Anna what if-
>it won't

>>714439072
It is not just Alear's design. Many characters have awful designs. The clowns and the modern niggers that look like pokemon trainers. The unrealistic ridiculous worldbuilding which was almost as bad as Fates. It is riddled with issues.

>>714397841
>Giving a lead a homolisp
Every time it comes up I'm surprised that dubfags still not only exist, but are the majority.

>>714439062
Conqueers only play Conquest anyway.

>>714439237
the other designs are whacky but they're not as bad as having the main character with v-tuber hair

>>714439069
>The 90s anime look the series has generslly stuck with
What the fuck are you even talking about? The last game to look like 90's anime was Thracia.

>>714439304
No, they also play Engage, and then say that all FE is like Conquest and Engage.
Hell, 3H took its gameplay from Echoes, which is a port of Gaiden, so there's unironically more games like 3H than there are like Engage!

>>714439435
You are retarded. The armor designs for everuthing pre awakening are clearly 90s anime. The chest and shoulder plate things.

>>714439304
Are the other 2 even good?

>>714439539
I think you have a very normalfag sense of how anime artstyles are categorized.

>>714439573
Honestly, no. The characters, plot, and maps are all worse than Awakening, which is already a worse version of Sacred Stones.
There's a reason nobody ever defends Birthright or Revelation.

>>714439637
I think you're just trying to save face.

>>714397680 (OP)
>Why did it fail?

>>714439573
They aren't nearly as bad as many would lead you to believe, but they get compared to Conquest which is significantly better in every regard, so there aren't many people who bother defending them on here. From a gameplay perspective, they still mog a majority of the series.

>>714397680 (OP)
because they turned a series based on strategy into a web faggot dating sim.

>>714439771
Even if we're going by your weird logic of everything pre-Awakening being 90's anime, it clearly wasn't helping the series at all. The modern artstyles from Awakening onwards were part of the reason the games started becoming more successful.

>>714439882
but the most weeb faggot dating sim of them all sold the best

>>714439894
>turns into a cocksucking retard as soon as he's in the corner
lol

Alright, no more (You)s. Yet again, I made the mistake of thinking someone was talking seriously with me in this cesspit.

>>714440209
(you)

>>714439539
Just chiming in, you are stupid. Wada's and Kita's artstyles are good. They are not 90s anime style at all and you are blinder than a bat if you think this looks like it would fit in next to FE6-10.

>>714431072
>it broke into the normie market in a way no other Fire Emblem did.
Awakening???

>Engage is more representative of the average Fire Emblem game
It’s only representative of Nu-Fire Emblem, not the Fire Emblem from before Awakening. As a matter of fact 3 Houses more so resembles the FE of yesteryear such as the Kaga titles and Tellius.

Fire Emblem always matches the anime artstyle most prevalent of the decade. It's just unfortunate timing the most prevalent style in Japan right now is vtubers and gacha, which is why Engage looks the way it looks.

>>714440636
What other FE has a hub world filled with side quests and chores, I will be waiting dumbass.

>>714440636
Ah yes, the best parts about old FE, having tea and cake with my school students.

>>714440636
>As a matter of fact 3 Houses more so resembles the FE of yesteryear such as the Kaga titles and Tellius.
No it doesn't lol. The only game I can think it is even remotely similar to is Echoes. That's not to say Fates and Engage are like the older games either, but 3H really can't make that claim itself.

It's both funny and sad how one can see the exact moment where the schizo derails the thread to "b-but engayge!" Each time a somewhat nice discussion starts/ends

3H is most similar to genealogy because they both are filled with time waster pre-chapter chores, have stupid midwit wank stories, and are dogshit

>>714441236
Oh, someone's mad his gay game sold 700 copies less than 3H did last year!

>>714440748
>What other FE has a hub world filled with side quests and chores
Engage.
IS probably told Koei to add those when they were developing the games at the same time, honestly.

>>714442071
It was probably the other way around. The monastery is integral to 3H as a whole while you could take out the Somniel from Engage and barely anything would change.

>>714440731
Well hopefully they learned their lesson and relised thats not appropriate for this genre

>Nintendo keeps shilling Houses in the Nintendo Today.
Its getting a $20 upgrade isn’t it.

>>714442408
Don't you understand bro I love playing that shitty arena, doing push ups that doesn't stack with the cooking food gacha (terrible btw) and horrible loading screens.

fe4 invented the LE EVIL shipping mechanics in fe

>>714442947
You could not touch anything other than the arena, well, and dog mines and miss nothing even on maddening. Even then I don't think the arena isn't super vital.

>>714443145
Kaga did it first therefore bvsed

>>714443167
It's so funny seeing people pretend the arena is some mandatory thing when it just gives a measly 10exp.

>>714443297
I never bothered using it after like halfway through my first playthrough when I realized how pointless it was.

>>714442728
it'll still look like garbage and have terrible animations.

>>714442728
>FEH was bleeding players because of all the Engage shilling
>finally made a 3H seasonal banner for the first time in 14 months
>literally sends out emails to former players, saying there's a Fodlan banner
>everyone comes back and spends
>IMMEDIATELY goes back to Engage banners
>everyone leaves and the game is dead now
Can't make this shit up.

>>714422607
This nigga doesnt even one round using a bond attack
How do people pretend that she is a good unit when the only thing she objectively does well is avoid tanking?

ivy still lost cyl

>>714442728
3HCHADS can't stop winning

>>714443597
Poor her

>>714443953
She didn’t do that.

>>714443297
>when it just gives a measly 10exp.
hey, it can round up a level that's stuck at 70
You know the 1 point in Spd you might or might not get is integral to maybe one rounding the enemies.

>>714440326
>cherrypicking faggotry
Off yourself, samefag.

>>714441236
>child molesting fates fan drivel

>>714440826
>The only game I can think it is even remotely similar to is Echoes.
I actuallly blame this for the game being so bland.
Removing so many core mechanics of the game was such a red flag

>>714443479
I still don't understand why you gachafags seem to hate engage in particular.

>>714444213
She did, but only during the loading screens

>>714397680 (OP)
Because it was bad. Simple as that.

Dogshit takes when you use that image.

>>714444471
They are delusional and pretend their OC designs aren't just as bad and cringe.

>>714444996
This made more money than Fódlan btw

this is the future engage CHUDS want

>>714444338
>cherrypicking
Anyone in FE1-5 with bangs has big fluffy hair even in the portraits. This is one of the biggest telltale signs of actual 90s anime aesthetics, which is entirely absent in FEs starting in 6 onward, because they don't use 90s design.

>>714445390
>the plush has huge tits and cleavage
That's just silly

>>714445469
Shut the fuck up, retard

>>714445550
Concession status: accepted.

>>714422234
Yeah I dont get the boner for Echoes art.
Game sold much better than Tellius and it still has so many popular characters due to great design.
Feel like Echoes artist cant do appealing character designs. That's why even sexy women like Sonya fell flat.
As bad as Engage did, at least it has the likes of Ivy, Yunaka and Lapis in.

>>714445390
Engagefag here, I dislike Book IX's story and characters at the moment, though much of that's attributed to my dislike for Shigeki's non-Muspel-related art, I'd be happy if we could never visit the FEH gods ever again.
Book VI was FEH's apex and it hasn't exceeded that yet.

Btw the next game Kusakihara will ripoff is metaphor and it will be woke, not that you will care.

>>714397680 (OP)
Awakening, Fates and Three Houses fans are not FE fans. They are just tourists that jumped into the franchise because of the garbage waifu fanservice.

>>714445793
I consider myself an "all fire emblem" fag, and I think the one with the sexy genie is the best one

>>714408291
wtf why does Fire Emblem have Somalians?

>>714446083
Tellius was already Metaphor 20 years before Metaphor.

>>714445469
>muh hair
Armor, faggot. Like I said. Now kill yourself already and do the thread a favor.

>>714445390
using kike buzzwords accidentally points.out from where the forced engage hate comes from lol

>>714397680 (OP)
>>714397805

Originally a Japanese Franchise that should’ve stayed in Japan

>>714446112
Sadly yes. Awakening doesnt deserve to be lumped in with those two, though the fans certainly do.

>>714440731
They used to hire veteran artists from the game industry. Now, they hire v-tuber artists from Pixiv.

>>714422760
>Hortensia
Stupid clown bitch. DUDE what if we made a sexy girl but her costume had pink and red and white and blue and black and retarded bows and frills everywhere that look like trash.
>Timerra
Nigger

>>714434965
Then he wastes it again in FE12-3.

>>714444471
They unironically just wants Heroes to be a 3H content factory.
Engage is in the way of that.
If Tellius dominated they would also shit on it.
I like that IS has reduced their 3H content. Just leave them for heavy hitter banners.
The Archanea young dragons banner was kino. Hope we get more stuff like that.

>>714444471
I don't hate Engage, but the fanbase overall is apathetic towards it. Nobody DESPISES it, but nobody will roll for units from Engage.
So when 1/3rd of all units last year were from Engage, it meant that people skipped 1/3rd of all banners. Nobody wants a second Timerra unit, a third Veyle, or the eighth Alear (that's not hyperbole, by the way. there are eight alears already).
No other game has been as spammed as Engage was these last two years. We're halfway through Book 9, and it's already on track to get as many units as it did last year. But nobody wants the, so a bunch of banners are just dead in the water!

>>714439573
Birthright is practically unplayable, Revelation isn't that bad

>>714446562
kys shartwakning fag, your game is the reason of why FEH and the very shallow fanservice exist in first place.

>>714446650
>They used to hire veteran artists from the game industry
FE1-8 were just in-house IS artists though. Kita was the first big veteran they hired.

>>714439573
birthright is a huge improvement after awakening so it doesn't appeal to the people that like good games but also doesn't appeal to the people who like bad games

>>714439573
BR is a step above Awakening
Rev is Awakening

>>714446170
>the only book where the freebie girl was relevant beyond just "being a guide"
Genuinely the best one. Not that it's a high bar.

>>714443597
Engage probably has one last chance to win a CYL

>>714446436
>muh hair ignoring the entire facial styles
>armor
Post 5 examples right now of FE6-10 armor designs being 90s anime inspired.

>>714397680 (OP)
>tube of toothpaste for the MC
lol
lmao

>>714445746
I like Echoes art. But it's clear that most of the shill comes from the people that complain about the problematic "sexualization" in games

>>714447338
Enjoy your shitbasa and other shit with sylvain and redditmotiss winning.

>>714447338
Considering the overall distaste for Engage in FEH at the moment, I don't see anyone voting for her. Especially since she might get yet another alt in a month.

>>714443479
Didn’t the latest summer banner flop hard.

>>714447541

>>714447607
The one that starred Engage and Echoes? Yes, it was the worst performing summer banner ever.
Summer is usually Top 5 (for both summer banners), but this one won't even be Top 15.

>>714447379
Roy. Eliwood. Hector. Oscar. Geoffrey. Oswin. Seth. Marcus. Kent. Sain. Basically every single one you can think of besides a handful. Oh, sorry I forgot that you are incapable of thought.

>>714447810

>>714447846
Pray tell anon, what 90s anime inspired "literally nothing but shoulder pauldrons"

>>714397680 (OP)
Vtuber designs

>>714397680 (OP)
Unironically, I liked Engage more than 3 Houses

>>714438843
gatekept

Ugly art direction
Insufferable dialoge
Predictable story
Avatar

>>714448209
Based

>>714447913
too early dummy

>>714448209
Most gameplayfags do

Character design, though it wasn't a flop. For some reason a lot of the fanbase likes to pretend they're too good for anime when FE has always been anime as fuck.

>>714406295
I enjoyed Engage and it's great on one playthrough, but can't see myself replaying when the reclassing system and prepromote favoritism aren't great for unit variety. I know Fates is controversial, but fuck me if it isn't more replayable because of how reclassing and skills work. It really lets you play with building unitswithout going full retard by letting anyone be anything like Engage and 3H did. Not to say Engage's reclassing isn't a huge step up from 3H, but the combination of three variations of most classes and painfully limited seal supply by the time you hit Chapter 10 just makes for an infuriating combination of too much freedom leading to homogenization and too much limitation making experimenting a pain.

>>714448558
>For some reason a lot of the fanbase likes to pretend they're too good for anime when FE has always been anime as fuck.
If the next season of Berserk used the artstyle of Lucky Star, you know Berserk fans would be upset.

>>714448661
Your example is way more drastic than what FE did. FE is more like going from Code Geass to Lucky Star.

>>714445746
The way Hidari does colors and linework are phenomenal. But as much as I think his girls like Clair are cute his characters are oddly forgettable for me.

>>714448558
The build homogeneity is my main problem with Engage as well, though I do still think it's a great game. They really hit the goldy locks zone with the limited options Fates seals give. Letting anyone do anything just makes the game too spreadsheety about stats and join time. Nobody really even talks about average stats much when comparing Fates characters, but that's all anyone really has to say about Engage characters I feel like.

>>714448661
Artstyles in FE has always been a derivative of the time it was released. It has almost never been consistent with different eras of itself.

>>714444996
Christ, what is FEH even about anymore.

>>714448558
>Character design, though it wasn't a flop. For some reason a lot of the fanbase likes to pretend they're too good for anime when FE has always been anime as fuck.
Not even the other games in the series known for ridiculous and overdesigned characters (like Fates) have such disrespect for basic visual presentation and good taste. The problem isn't that Engage is anime, it's that it's ugly as fuck

>>714434756
I miss having to buy weapons in the middle of war in old FE. Sure it's goofy and cumbersome but it's part of the challenge and charm.

>forgettable design is when character doesn't have 52 straps, spikes, sporks, bows, belts, bells, buckles, zips, zoodles, articulated arthropod armor, more than one hair color, and vuvuzelas

>>714397680 (OP)
>>714433856
The real reason Engage and Xeno 3 had sales declines is actually far simpler. Their predecessors got the Switch bonus, while they did not because the novelty was gone by then.

eliwood is literally so forgettable that fans collectively decided his game was about hector instead and intelligent systems just rolled with it

>>714449228
I say this

>>714449338
FE7 is Lyn's game

>>714448837
>Artstyles in FE has always been a derivative of the time it was released.
What anime look like Engage, bro?

>>714449506
Berserk 2016.
No wait, that's 3H.

>>714448661
The artstyle has been changing since forever and the jump wasn't that drastic. Also for some reason a genuinely bad otome game artist gets a pass while an actual good artist doesn't. Like Pikazo's designs aren't my favorite, but at least she can actually draw well. Most of the designs in the game are actually fine. Even Timerra's weird balloon thing is alright. The only huge duds for me design-wise are Alear and Hortensia. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to care that their MC looks cool/cute.

>>714448820
I think my other complaint would be stat inflation toward the end. I guess I prefer skill emblem to stat emblem in general. Emblems were a great idea and the maps were decent enough though. The chapter with Gris teleporting in particular was pretty fun.

>>714449338
Eliwood has yumes, can Hector claim that?

>>714449028
>Not even the other games in the series known for ridiculous and overdesigned characters (like Fates) have such disrespect for basic visual presentation and good taste.
You're not going to gaslight me into believing that this isn't the type of shit that people said about Fates and Awakening.

>>714449294
Haven't other games like Totk or Splatoon 3 sold less than their predecessors too?

>>714449618
>Like Pikazo's designs aren't my favorite, but at least she can actually draw well.
Yeah that's fucking cool, bro.
But the only image Pikazo drew in Engage was the start splash screen when you launch the game from the Switch's home menu.
>Even Timerra's weird balloon thing is alright.
lol

>>714449506
Gundam

>>714449506
>what industry trends could have inspired the artist who made VTubers before being hired for engage?
It's a mystery.

>>714449749
Quuuuuuux's designs are nowhere near close to Engage.
Look at your own example. They only have one hair color. And where are their head-balls?

>>714431315
In terms of writing probably

>>714449506
Goldmary is Kuwayama Chiyuki from iM@S SC.

>>714449749
take has more talent in her fingernail than pikazo has mustered with effort in her 32 years of life (I made up her age)

>>714449719
And you had to look at Chinatsu's actual sameface frogs in 3H along with actual terrible art direction on behalf of the modelers, and yet, that game rarely catches the shit it deserves for looking awful. You fags can't convince me you have any actual taste.

>>714449978
Goldmary gets a pass because she's one of the few designs that could feasibly exist in another FE game. No overcomplications, simple color palette, looks like a nice mix of armor and clothes.

>goldmary gets a pass because uhhhh i can jack off to that one
fuck off mangs

>>714450102
>And you had to look at Chinatsu's actual sameface frogs
The only art Chinatsu did for 3H was the boxart/splash screen. Same as Mika.
Dunno why you're mad at Chinatsu for Kusakihara's drawings, bro. Is it a personal issue?
>and yet, that game rarely catches the shit it deserves for looking awful.
There was like a three year period where an image of 3H's vegetables was always up on the /v/ catalog, newfag.

>>714449930
It's so funny to me that she gave the She-boon random balls for no reason just to make her look more ethnic.

>>714450187
I can jerk off to Ivy, but her design is terrible.
Bitch can't even look down without poking herself with her foot-long chest-thorn.

>>714450253
If they were smaller, like a regular hair scrunchie, it wouldn't be so bad. But each one is the size of an apple, and she has them EVERYWHERE. Wrists, ankles, hips, a dozen on top of her head. I think she even puts some on her weapon in official art.

>>714450118
>she's one of the few designs that could feasibly exist in another FE game.
Bro your Vander, Etie, Boucheron, Chloe, Louis, Citrinne, Lapis, Diamant, Alcryst, Amber, Jade, Zelkov, Pandero, Seadal, and Mauvier?

>>714450118
>one of the few designs
Most of them are fine. Only about 5 of them really stand out.

>>714450340
>Vander
Giant pauldron man?
>Etie
Only if you crop her from the chest up, and make the bow smaller.
>Boucheron
lol
>Chloe, Lapis
Yes, these two would. It's why they were popular.
>Louis
Pauldrons too big
>Citrinne
Yes
>Diamant
Spiky pauldrons.
>Alcryst
Name me a single Wada character with a razorblade in their hair. Did any old FE characters even have hair clips?
>Jade
Again, too massive
>Amber
I'll give you this
>Zelkov
Too brown.
>Pandero
Dunno that guy, but Pandreo has hair that's too wild.
>Seadall
The femboy has baby keys as a necklace, among many other overcomplications. Too detailed.
>Mauvier
You sure love oversized armor.
The man can barely mourn Marnie without clipping because of his cluttered design.

>>714449930
Eh, I honestly mentioned it because Gundam fans also have a similar reaction when these designs get revealed. (And I know for sure that some still hate them)

Anyway, I'm not going to defend Timerra or Alear's design. (I love Alear btw), but it isn't like every single design has double-hair color or "weird" stuff. (No, Ivy's fascinator isn't at the same level as Timerra's balls or Merrin's furry tail)

>Oh no FE is ruined by dual hair!
Heath.
>Oh no FE is ruined fucking heterochromia.
Idunn.
>Oh no FE is ruined because dumb clothes!
Nowi.
>Oh no Fire Emblen is ruined by shit supports?
Eirika Forde.
Will Wallace.

>>714450545
>No, Ivy's fascinator isn't at the same level as Timerra's balls or Merrin's furry tail
Ivy's got a plethora of problems, the fascinator is the least of them.
Her giant rose thorns, her weirdly short boots, how the boots stab into her own dress even in promo art, THREE different pattern styles between her thigh highs, the front of her dress, and the top of her dress, her cape spikes, random roses on her back that are covered by her cape.
You can simplify this design a lot, and it would be better for it. Start by removing her spikes.

>>714450340
Your forgot Kagetsu, Lindon, Sapphir and probably others I can't remember offhand.

>>714450213
Boxart was still bad and don't try to pretend Dimitri, Femleth, Dorothea, or any agarthans are remotely acceptable. No one tries to claim Three Houses is bad solely because of the artstyle, also even though it doesn't even have good gameplay to fall back on.

>>714450538
>Giant pauldron man?
Literally Jagen.
Wont even bother coversing the rest of your drivel.

>big pauldrons
so heckin 90s anime ^_^
>big pauldrons, engage
:|

>>714450712
ivy must be stabbing people constantly with those spikes

>>714450538
>Giant pauldron man
You cannot be serious.

>>714450921
I-is that a-an unrealistic fantasy soldier? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714450753
On the left is an old man in armor. On the right is a guy with proportions so awful, he can't even fit in his own portrait.
Funfact: Boucheron (and the others) is actually modeled wrong. If you look at Mika's concept art for him, his armor is very different.

>>714450921
Congrats, you named the armor dude as your one example.
Unfortunately, the only armor dude among the ones list above was Louis, and then Jade was an armor girl.
There is no reason why Vander, Diamant, etc. should look like that. It was just a style choice the 3d modelers took, if you see the funfact above.

>>714451051
Weren't you just making fun of "spiky pauldrons"?

>>714451051
Here's what Boucheron was meant to look like, from the artbook.
His armor was smaller and slightly lower on him, so he could more feasibly swing an axe.

I HATE FIRE EMBLEM
t. fire emblem fan

>>714451116
>Weren't you just making fun of "spiky pauldrons"?
I think you genuinely did forget what Diamant's pauldron looks like.
I don't blame you. It's a retarded design.

>>714451051
But you were talking about Vander, the dude with actual pauldrons like the old man.
Nevermind you post NuJagen and not the actual old designs.

>>714451204
No more stupid than the pauldrons with spikes.

>>714451051
>FE has never had giant pauldrons, these designs would never fit into old FE!
>Why did you name the armor guy as an example of big pauldrons?
What is even your position?

>>714450712
You know, I'll give you this one. Because I forgot how "spiky" her design was.
Still, I disagree with the rest though. Since most of your reasons seem to be just "big pauldron/weird hair = bad"

>>714397680 (OP)

>giant pauldrons bad
Don't go near Warhammer 40k.

>>714451452
Or FE4, for that matter

>>714451349
>But you were talking about Vander, the dude with actual pauldrons like the old man.
No, again, you forgot what Vander looked like.
Jegan's pauldrons are genuinely feasible. It's just rounded metal with a spike welded onto it.
How the shit do you even forge armor like Vander's? And why is it so big that he can't see when he turns his head?
>No more stupid than the pauldrons with spikes.
Again: yes it is, because how do you even make that? Jegan's looks like real armor and is practical. Diamant's and Vander's are not.

>>714451352
>>Why did you name the armor guy as an example of big pauldrons?
Nice intentional misrepresentation of what I said.
Want to try again?

I’m not sure if engage really fail or not but I do prefer a FE sequel like three houses where there is a somehow interesting story with lovable and relevant characters

>>714451563
Fodlan's cast outside of the lords and Rhea are not relevant characters

>>714451546
Niggas got pauldrons for his pauldrons

>>714451394
>Since most of your reasons seem to be just "big pauldron/weird hair = bad"
Since you admit you forgot Ivy's design, I implore you to go back and look at the others' designs. Like, genuinely just go look at how massive their pauldrons are. Most aren't even armored units. Even in the "counter examples" the retard is spamming, they're all armored units.
Just fucking LOOK at Diamant. Why is he like that?

>>714451547
>Jegan's pauldrons are genuinely feasible. It's just rounded metal with a spike welded onto it.
>Spikes taller than his head are feasible
(lol

>>714451673
Counterpoint, go look at the actual original designs you're screaming are not that exaggerated.

NOOOOO JAGEN HAD REALISTIC SPIKES

>>714450686
What’s wrong with Eirika/Forde?

Someone post Samson and Gordin.

>>714451547
>How the shit do you even forge armor like Vander's?
>Jegan's looks like real armor and is practical.
Have you forged armor to say that with absolute certainty? Give me actual facts not opinions.
>And why is it so big that he can't see when he turns his head?
He can see though. In that shot he isnt turning his head on the angle where the pads would obstruct his vision.

>>714451546
>>714451452
Might as well ask how these guys see at all.

>>714451771
Again: just welding two sticks onto regular armor (and this being for only one character) is far less egregious than half the men having pauldrons that are bigger than their heads and block their vision.

>>714451873

>>714451519
AIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714447474
She didn’t do that either (although I wish she did).

I really did not expect the end of this thread to turn into pauldron autism. What a random tangent.

>>714451950
Celica anal

Merricbros... our design isn't realistic enough..................

>>714451452
>>714451546
Barons should return

>>714451880
>Have you forged armor to say that with absolute certainty?
Jegan's armor is just regular armor, but painted purple, and has spikes on the shoulder.
Tell me that's less viable than whatever Diamant has.
>He can see though.
But he can't. It's a 3d model. This isn't even conjecture.
>Might as well ask how these guys see at all.
ONCE AGAIN: those are armor units. I give a pass to them, like I gave a pass to Louis and Jade. If they were the only two like that in Engage, I'd have no issue. But they're part of a large trend, so I call the game out for all of its retarded 40k pauldrons.

>>714451960
No bro, Dean and Vander are totally the same!

>>714452037
This >>714451546 is actually the concept art for the "Emperor" class, which I think is just gen 2 Arvis and the final arena enemy in the final chapter.

>>714452039
Merric and Gordin have massive ones and they're a mage and archer respectively.

>>714451547
What fucking misrepresntation, you complain the armors have pauldrons too big and then got butthurt that I pointed to an old FE character with stupid big pauldrons. You say Louis's and Jade's are too big and then you take issue that I point to Arden.

Fuck it, where's the porn

Old Big Pauldrons GOOD
New Big Pauldrons BAD

>>714452148
If you're talking about OG merric, he just has standard 90's Slayers shoulders, like most FE guys did.
If you're talking about the remake Merric, that one is retarded and why nobody draws fanart of those retarded pauldrons with the dangling gems and shit.

these armor designs are VALID and REALISTIC and YOU WILL NOT QUESTION THEM

>>714452221
>he just has standard 90's Slayers shoulders
Ah, there it is, Just say it's okay when they're old. Faggot.

>>714452153
>you complain the armors have pauldrons too big
No, I specifically complaiend that NON-armor units had massive pauldrons. Look at your own post. Louis has smaller pauldrons than Vander. Vander isn't even an armor unit!
Go back and reread my posts. You fucking agree with my posts, retard.
>You say Louis's and Jade's are too big and then you take issue that I point to Arden.
Because you didn't talk about Louis or Jade, you lying jackass. Your post >>714450921 specifically quoted where I took issue with VANDER. Not Louis or Jade!

>>714451950
What, are you insinuating that FE characters don't pee?

>>714452181
Here.

>>714452360
What are THOSE on her Pauldrons? Wind chimes?! That's unrealistic!

>>714452039
>Jegan's armor is just regular armor, but painted purple, and has spikes on the shoulder.
>Tell me that's less viable than whatever Diamant has.
Yes because it can cut your vision and its not in an angle that he can use as a shoulder tackle or anything stab related.

>But he can't. It's a 3d model. This isn't even conjecture.
He can. He is not looking at the same angle where the pauldrons would obstruct his vision.

>those are armor units.
But they cant see. This is about vision which those units have almost none. Unlike the other armors. There is no reason why those armors posted should have them that big but you take no issue with.

>>714452221
>he just has standard 90's Slayers shoulders
ah yes the standard epic badass fantasy pauldrons from literal gag comedy series

>>714452427
>Yes because it can cut your vision
Much less than Vander's.
>He can.
Nope.
>But they cant see.
Same as Vander, but they have an excuse because they're armored.
Vander just has oversized armor chunks, like he's from World of Warcraft. I don't want World of Warcraft in FE. It's gay, like Engage.

>>714452330
Jagen is comparable to Vander. Also multiple non-GK and Knight units have been brought up, but you're just pretending you haven't seen them. Fuck off retard.

>>714452330
>I specifically complaiend that NON-armor units had massive pauldrons.
>>714450538
>Giant pauldron man?
No you made an statement and then you move the goalpost whenever you get exposed.

Diamant's pauldrons aren't even pauldrons lol
They're attached to the upper arm and not the shoulder lol.

>>714452542
>completely ignores that his entire argument was based off a lie about Louis and Jade he made up
I accept your concession. Your parents will bury you with your real name on your grave.
>Also multiple non-GK and Knight units have been brought up
Nope, I already addressed them. They can all easily see. Thanks for playing!

>>714452330
I only posted Vander because you made the same complaint 4 times over, jackass. You want the full thing? Here you go, stupid.
>>714450538
>>Louis
>Pauldrons too big
>>Jade
>Again, too massive
>>Mauvier
>You sure love oversized armor.
You cannot be serious.

>>714452628
>only example is, once again, an armor
Still waiting for examples of old FE non-armor units with Engage pauldrons.
Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiill waiting. Come on, you're better than this, right?

>>714452540
>Much less than Vander's.
No.
You have 2 giant spikes for no reason at all other than it looks cool.

>Same as Vander, but they have an excuse because
But he can. Again his point of vision there shows he isnt looking at the same angle where the pauldrons would.
The spike to the side he would look into would.

Wanting less "over-the-top" designs like Alear or Hortensia is valid. But go to the other extreme and say that the designs should be "feasible/realistic" in the anime franchise with dragons, monsters, zombies, magic, etc. Is dumb af.

>>714452694
>You have 2 giant spikes for no reason at all other than it looks cool.
You're not gonna brush shoulders with Spikes Guy.
>But he can
No, go rotate his model.

What do you call this kind of armor?

>>714452614
>completely ignores that his entire argument was based off a lie about Louis and Jade he made up
>so desperate he can only resort to crying about troons and pretending it's not multiple anons calling out his retardation
Last (You).

>>714452754
Penis armor

>>714452754
"Not In Engage"

>>714440731
Is there a single dude in this game who isnt an overdisgned rainbow pretty boy? Something cool and feletively simple like Hector Dart or my Boy Dorcas?

>>714452754
ai slop, 4 fingers

>>714452671
You complained about armor units having too big of pauldrons, I posted armor units with too big pauldrons. Cope and seethe.

>>714452712
FE would look like some generic western fantasy slop if the "muh realism" fags had their way.

>>714452712
but all the magical girls from sacred stones are fine because that game is my childhood
>t. retard

>>714452774
Someday you'll make a good argument.
That day was certainly not today!

>>714452805
Nope, I complained about the Engage cast at large having a trend of big pauldrons. Keep up!

Fire emblem

Last for Mia

>>714452846
>I complained about the Engage cast at large having a trend of big pauldrons.
Which is a silly complaint when other titles have ridiculous pauldrons and engage characters would slot right in.

>>714452865

>>714452927
>Which is a silly complaint when other titles have ridiculous pauldrons and engage characters would slot right in.
But they wouldn't. Name a game Vander would "slot right in to."
Hard mode: Not Awakening.

>>714452801
Largo but he was retconned.

>>714452671
Alois in 3H has a pauldron that has spikes and its elevated enough to obstruct his vision.

>>714452965
>Alois in 3H has a pauldron that has spikes and its elevated enough to obstruct his vision.
No? It's designed specifically to be below his eye level.

>>714452951
Archanea.