>oh, I know what this game needs; a useless, backseating shit character with a horrible back story whose only purpose is to reiterate obvious plot developments and their significance to the player and spell out what Kojima was thinking when he made certain references. can't give them an opportunity to think for themselves

>>714463761 (OP)
but if kojimbo doesn't explicitly tell the audience the relevant info, how will he know if anybody got the reference?

>>714463761 (OP)
He just gives the player tips. Talking to him on the Magellan is also completely optional. You'd know this if you would have played the game.

It is the highest rated game of all time on the Playstation store as well, people. Try it out, it's great.

>>714466009
I did not ask for a mimir in this game

>>714463761 (OP)
>Niel Vana
WOW LIKE NIRVANA????

>>714466009
if you had actually played the game then you'd know that especially after Sam realises Lou is gone he goes into backseating overdrive mode.
>"you need to confront neil vana one last time, because this game is just a regurgitation of the first one, so we already know it's going to be 3 encounters in total!"
>"Sam, could it be that X is because of Y and that's why Z? Let us go!"
>"Wow, so A is C, but that still doesn't explain why B. Sam, let us press on."

>>714466293
>>714463761 (OP)
>Mirnir
He barely talks. He just gives the player tips. That is more organic than a pop-up or some shit.

Why don't you niggers actually attempt to play a game before you fucking whine about it?

>>714466595
>I'm not the real dad. I'm the dad that stepped up

>>714466870
you haven't played the game

>>714466870
He never shuts the fuck up, wtf are you talking about?

Imagine having kojimbo's dick so far down your throat you get offended on Dollmans behalf, lmao.

people complained about ds1 being nonsensical and incomprehensible, I blame these retards for Dollman.

>>714467291
>He never shuts the fuck up
he barely gave any tips in my playthrough, maybe play better i dunno

>>714466870
>hey retard, here's how you solve this puzzle that a grade school student made
Right. Barely talks.

>>714463761 (OP)
Kojima thinks of the characters with their JP voices. He has always been clear about this saying Otsuka is THE voice of Snake regardless of who the actor is, and Dollman is Sugita (young Master Miller and the radio personality for a bunch of MGS stuff)

He's literally there to spout memes and MGS jokes at you nonstop which is lost if you play it in English which is the non-canon version

>>714466009
>>714463761 (OP)
>Tells you to take him with you for the final confrontation
>literally says absolutely nothing and is completely silent for all forms of the final boss

Why?

>>714468402
or maybe blame kojima being an insecure bitch? according to that interview before the game released he wanted the game to be controversial and not pre-digested, so why did he put dollman, a character who pre-digests everything for you, into the game?

>>714468661
>MGS jokes

>>714468825
>Villain says Snake's line
>Hero says Liquid's line
GENIUS KOJUMBO

>>714468661
Okay but how does that work when he mocaps gaijin actors? Does he think of Norman Reedus speaking in some dubbed Japanese voice too?

>>714468956
He doesn't understand English, they're just mumbling gobbledygook to him and he imagines what voices would match them

>>714468661
>He's literally there to spout memes and MGS jokes at you nonstop which is lost if you play it in English which is the non-canon version
the cast is entirely english speaking actors and other hollywood related people, with some japanese unimportant holograms. Fuck off

>>714469145
lmao

>>714463761 (OP)
>t.nigger whining about a game that he never played
Jesus Christ this place is such a shithole.

I honestly wouldn't mind if Dollman would talk while on missions, but he barely says a damn thing at all.

>>714463761 (OP)
You've just explained Japanese media in their entirety. Interpretation is not allowed. Everything needs to re-stated several times and explained completely to exhaustion.

I've even heard/read some Japanese saying some people view it as an insult to the author/creator if you "interpret" his work on your own.

>>714468984
He's actually good at English, only horrible at speaking it, which is why he refrains from doing so not to embarrass himself. There are multiple filmed instances where people speak to him in English and he replies in Japanese without a translator.

>>714463761 (OP)
>still seething about DS2
not enough new releases during summer season to seethe about something fresh?

>>714468661
>Otsuka
Is he actually secretly good at English? I saw Japanese version of the dance and he sings in English and it sounds significantly better than Sam and Dollman's Japanese voice actors' attempts at the same song.

https://youtu.be/3ljDRzfRAww

>>714466602
>omg 3 (three) whole sentences
>I AM BEING TALK RAPED!!!!!
fucking faggot, you post like a woman

>>714469681
>He's actually good at English, only horrible at speaking it,
Pure cope.

>>714469880
No, it's the usual "saving face" nonsense that Japanese, and a lot of Asians, do. Oftentimes if they're not good at something, only average/mediocre, they'll outright refuse doing it entirely.

>>714469681
Japanese all learn rudimentary English in school, being able to understand simple questions is not anywhere close to fluency and certainly not near to the level needed to determine whether an actor is doing a good job emoting and enunciating.

>>714469681
>There are multiple filmed instances where people speak to him in English and he replies in Japanese without a translator.
Understanding roughly while being terrible at speaking yourself is like 20% of the journey of learning a language, so yes I would say that is not "good at English" at all

>>714469681
Kojima uses English actors but still writes and hears the story in Japanese.
This creates a fundamental disconnect in tone and meaning between the two voice tracks, and only one of them, the Japanese one, fully aligns with Kojima’s authorial vision.

>>714466293
Who the fuck is mimir?

>>714468661
If you look at the DS/DS2 credits they actually went out of their way to list the Japanese voices separately from the dubs and don't call them dubs.

>>714470373
>Kojima’s authorial vision

You mean plagiarising Western media wholesale?

>>714463761 (OP)
literally every single kojima game has this because he knows the average person is a fucking retard
it's always annoying, but i remember complaining about this habit he has, years ago, and this dude getting pissed at me because he doesn't understand the stories otherwise

Kojima watches Hollywood films dubbed in Japanese. Having white people speak with weirdly paced Japanese voices is natural to him.

>>714463761 (OP)
I don't really have anything else to say right now

>>714468956
>>714470560
Kojima grew up watching Hollywood films dubbed into Japanese on TV and in theaters. So to him, white actors speaking fluent, emotive Japanese with unnatural mouth sync is completely normal. The voice performance is not tethered to the actor’s original language, but to the emotional and tonal delivery created by the Japanese voice actor.

Western audiences are conditioned by a different standard where live action performance = one unified voice/body identity so dubs are seen as "fake" or "inauthentic"

You assume English is “default” because they see English speaking actors but in this context that is completely wrong, because Kojima assumes Japanese is “default” because he’s mentally dubbed them in his creative process, the same way he experienced Western media all his life.

He writes in Japanese.

He thinks in Japanese.

He constructs tone, pacing, character, and humor in Japanese.

The English version is a translation — filtered through localization teams, voice directors, and cultural compromise. Even with Western actors' faces, it is not his primary storytelling language.

Trying to argue that the English version is “original” just because of Hollywood faces completely misrepresents Kojima’s cultural framework.

>Kojima is so morally bankrupt he puts mimir in the game

Any time someone opens with "Sam," I get triggered. Fuck Die-hardman.

>>714469785
While it's not applicable for all of them, a good chunk of japanese VAs have some level of fluidity in english.
You know that scene at the beginning of Nioh where Hanzo speaks to him in very heavily accented english? That's Toshiyuki Morikawa pureposefully restraining himself, similarly to when he voices Dante. It's just that a lot of time, engrish is considered more exotic as an aesthetic for a japanese dub.

>>714470980
Tsudaken and Sugita sing really badly in DS2 though

Otsuka's English in that scene actually sounds natural, like he's actually saying "smile" and not "sumairu"

>>714463761 (OP)
its fine wait director cut given that epilogue cutscene so he has more meaning and a sidequest

>>714467267
he is the dad that steal the wife and children and hide in new mexico before dissapearing after buying cigarettes

>>714468825
>>714468879
they do the fucking same in english, retard

>>714468717
current journalism cant be taken their fake words into account

>>714470746
>—
Thank you for your input, ChatGPT.

>>714471436
I bet you don't even know how to use a semicolon, ESL.

> How about a nice refreshing shower?
> You know you should really take a shower.
> Seriously when was the last time you showered?

How does he know?

>>714466009
>if you would have played the game
fucking ESLs

>>714471550
The entirety of your post was in ChatGPT cadence, IndianAnon. The only people that are going to see that garbage and think it isn't slop prompted straight off the top are barely literate to be begin with. Hell, it might be even worse if you just happen to naturally communicate exactly like ChatGPT.

>>714471657
That is proper English, Ranjeet.

>>714466009
>it's the highest rated game of all time on the platform with the highest percentage of shit-eaters after nintendo
All you had to say

>>714471707
The entirety of your post is in smoothbrain contrarian cadence.

>>714471946
I accept your concession.

>>714471612
he's just saying that 'cause he wants me to get the chiral crystals from showering

fucking tipsbot, we gave up loading screens for this shit, we have to go back

>>714469542
it's you who has not played the game. he literally has a useless fucking comment about everything. the difference is that it mostly happens during cutscenes or at the start of orders, so retarded cattle like you don't register it.
>>714469804
those are templates of comments he makes over and over again, but I wouldn't expect cattle to make that connection. seriously, none of you have reached chapter 9 or beyond if you think his comments aren't redundant and retarded.

>>714471612
Because Sam is always visibly dirty when he returns from the field.

>>714472303
>>714463761 (OP)
>t.nigger cattle didn't play the game
Your gaslighting isn't working, nigger.

>>714472368
you didn't play the game, or since you're so used to just making noise with no inherent meaning, it also doesn't bother you when others make meaningless noise, in this case Dollman.

>>714466009
Truth. I was also expecting another Mimir, but he actually doesn't say much at all. At least not unless you choose to talk to him in your room. Really all he does is tell you if you dropped a package for delivery mission and shit. Just very basic gameplay tips.

>>714463761 (OP)
>this character never shuts op
Play the game. lol

>>714472629
nice reading comprehension. I never said he never shuts up, it's just that whenever he opens his mouth, everything he says is fucking useless, and just restating things you've just seen, or know are coming.

why is /v/ so bad at reading a text and extracting its actual meaning from it?

Death Stranding 1 has you as Sam rediscover how to reconnect with others, slowly becoming more emotional as time goes on and creates a a deep bond with Lou that shows how connections is an extremely powerful thing that allow people to heal and how we need them.

Then it turned out Lou was his actual tranny daughter but Kojima had to throw Neil NTR'ing his wife and all this retardation with how she came to be his daughter, undermining the message of the first game in more ways than one. Kojima is such a fucking hack, I fucking hate him. "SHOULD WE HAVE RECONNECT?!" and it's just the Patriots system AGAIN doing dumbass shit, fuck everyone that praises this garbage

>>714473137
Anon, it's been repeated thousands of times in threads like these.

Japanese media know only three methods of creation:
>regurgitating the same handful of their own stories and tropes,
>plagiarising Western media,
>once one of the above become popular, recreate and copy endlessly,

When it comes to creative arts they are painfully, extremely uncreative.

>>714463761 (OP)
Anyone notice in your private room on the DHV Magellan those coffin/qpid looking images on the wall that keep multiplying as the game goes on? I had 2 rows of them but I'm on chapter 16 and now I have 2 additional ones.

What are these keeping tally of?

>>714463761 (OP)
his backstory must be the most retarded thing Kojima had ever written.

Do mines auto-generate materials? I've been waiting for days now but it doesn't happen.

this game makes no sense
>Higgs takes Tomorrow to the beach to kick off the Last Stranding
>somehow we have enough time for a lengthy trek across Mexico even though time and again it's been stated that seconds in the real world can be days on the beach

>>714475664
you don't get it, we need to Drive™ in order to decompress from a significant plot development

why they didn't release this on PC at the same time? fuck retards

>>714475664
Higgs also wants to fuck with Sam until the very end. The shirtless guitar battle was part of his plan kek

Definition of an unnecessary sequel

>>714463761 (OP)
The gameplay is also streamlined and made even easier than DS1

>>714476195
yea it's very strange to me that Kojima made this despite having literally nothing to say, no new themes to explore, or anything to iterate on.

>>714476901
But didn't you onions face pog when Higgs look at the camera!? I sure did!

>played hundreds of hours of 1
>legitimately looking forward to 2
>vtubers
Into the trash it goes

>>714477636
if the vtuber was at least some random side thing easter egg prepper like Conan O'Brien, Geoff and Musician in DS1, but no, you literally go there as part of the main story

>>714463761 (OP)
I wanted to like him but yeah most of the time he just ruins the atmosphere and mystery of scenes.

>>714467267
is that joe anderson, the actor from the crazies?

I like Death Stranding and even I think Death Stranding 2 enjoyers sound like shit gargling faggots. it’s not a good sign when they tirelessly try to silence every last speck of criticism. It seems to me that they know.

>>714463761 (OP)
I don't get the hate. He barely ever talks.

>>714477636
Shame, missing out on kino.

>>714466870
>He barely talks

hahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

>>714480261
>kino

go back...

>>714463761 (OP)
>anon thinks he's a smark for explaining what everyone already understands are optional Codec calls and flavor text

BUILD SOME FUCKING ROADS BY THE LONE COMMANDER AND RAINY'S SHELTER/ANIMAL SHELTER/RAINBOW YOU FUCKS

>>714468956
Gaijin seems like the japanese equivalent of "goyim". Or at least you self-hating zoomers seem to use it in a similar context.

>>714476823
>easier than DS1
how is that even possible?

>>714480446
You go.

It's not that fucking bad you people complain about everything go fuck yourselves.

>>714480770
He's contrarian shitposting, difficulty is the same with more mechanics.
t. played both on hardest difficulty.

>>714480770
it's the same difficulty but with better combat/stealth and a ton of more gadgets

>>714480868
>>714480932
that's fine then, DS1 was too easy but not so much that it wasn't fun (on hard at least)

>>714481008
The hardest difficulty in the base version of Death Stranding 2 is also on par with Very Hard in Death Stranding 1, and Very Hard wasn't even added until the Director's Cut version.
Still, a very easy game, but same as 1.

>>714480868
>the same
>when driving was made even easier
Ok

The game would have bene fixed if it was about rape.

Imagine chasing women across the rough terrain, actually making you master the hiking mechanics.

>>714475408
Anyone?

>retards itt actually defending this expositional faggot of a character whose only purpose is to point out the most obvious fucking shit that happens on screen
I shit you not, there is a moment in the game where you're inside a shelter and a door opens for you to go further inside, and he literally fucking tells you "SaM, iT LoOKs LiKE tHaT dOoR jUSt oPEnEd" fuck this piece of shit faggot handholding fuck of a character.

>>714480028
okay and what does he say when he does open his mouth? that's right, useless fucking regurgitation of the same information we've already been presented with moments prior. his inclusion is completely fucking pointless, OP didn't even say that he talks a lot, he simply said that he has nothing interesting to say. you people are fucking retarded and only respond to base emotional impulses without actually reading the fucking words. or you read the words, but you're just not literate.

>>714480697
FUCKING BUILD ROADS

>>714481560
I think you might actually be on the spectrum if it's honestly making you this angry. I hate people with autism.

>>714466009
>>714466870
>letting Kojima actively annoy you ingame

>>714482629
I want to have a sense of accomplishment while playing a game and not have everything spooned to me about what to do and not have shit I already knew from the first game repeated back to me

Can we talk about how Pekora's inclusion was actually a fucking jab at Oshii Mamoru's stupid GitS fake identity shit?

Actual genius Kojumbo moment

>>714466009
>15k
flop confirmed?

>>714483131
Its been a while since I've watch Ghost in the Shell. Care to elaborate, anon?

>>714463761 (OP)
If the doll was Peko, nobody would've complained

>>714475032
I saw that right after the credits and was very confused.

>>714483131
>fucking jab at Oshii Mamoru's stupid GitS fake identity shit?
Yeah I'm sure pizza man is so mad at him and wish he wasn't included in his game...

>>714483383
True the doll should have been a cute girl instead of some random director

>>714482582
Why would I build roads? The map itself is already vehicle friendly enough. There literally is no need for a road anywhere.

>>714483685
Oshii loves getting made fun of, there's a random ass japanese romantic comedy film where he's used as a visual gag for no reason

He actually does similar stuff himself in his live action films, and his Japanese voice actor (he didn't voice himself) in DS2 is an actor he frequently uses himself

>>714483281
frequent oshii film theme (not just gits)
>are you real?
>am i real?????
>maybe we're all fictional constructs created to advance shadow agendas who have deluded ourselves into thinking we're real?????????

>>714463761 (OP)
Is his soul inside the doll?

>>714483131
>>714483902
Pekora was there because Kojimbo is an otaku that loves his anime sluts.

>>714483902
>He actually does similar stuff himself in his live action films
He has an episode of live action Patlabor where Tekken's Harada appears as a fucking Tekken player in an arcade

>there's a random ass japanese romantic comedy film where he's used as a visual gag for no reason
花束みたいな恋をした is the title

>>714463761 (OP)
that's japanese writing for you
most of them can't into "show don't tell"

>>714481254
The only thing 'easier' about the driving is that it's more polished and less janky.
It's the same as 1 where you can drive almost everywhere.

>>714483131
>Pekora's inclusion was actually a fucking jab at Oshii Mamoru's stupid GitS fake identity shit
How? Pekora is a real person, she's just using a filter to play a character. It's nothing like an AI

>>714481579
Why are you so angry?

>>714484127
People hiding behind fake identities dumbass

it was successful with GOW so literally now will be in every fake pretentious failed devs game for the next 20 years

>>714484214
You are retarded

>>714484167
because internet discourse with people who only respond to base impulses but don't possess any literacy beyond emotionally responding to whatever their brain Interprets in abstracts is quite frustrating. if you were able to read, you'd have gleaned that from my previous post, but it's not like you """formulated""" your response because you actually care or wonder.

>>714473137
Yeah, I don't get why Kojimbo went through all that trouble of Lou, being a disposable BB tool to something Sam could connect to and eventually cares about as his own daughter, into a super special biological daughter of Sam that has super powers. Did Covid Rape Kojima's mind so much that he rewrote the story into this nonsensical bullshit?

Kojima is at his best when he takes himself seriously and does tension and atmosphere.
He's at his worst when he does his goofy Japanese humor shit.

>>714484389
>barely have Sam spend any time with baby Lou before she "dies"
>most of the work raising and bonding with Tomorrow is done by Fragile and Rainy while Sam watches awkwardly
For a story about fatherhood it fails to make Sam feel like a father

>>714484389
death stranding's coincidences and how everything came together somehow were done in a clever enough way that I could believe it, but in ds2 he just drives everything off a cliff at full speed. and the worst part is that it doesn't even have any thematic significance, it's purely for surface level story excitement

There’s no need to figure out anything in this game. There is zero incentive to route plan or carefully select supplies based on the destination. It’s weird honestly because that was the whole draw of DS1 for me. The mountain zones at the end were truly challenging to traverse, and setting up the zipline felt like a true accomplishment. I feel none of that in DS2.

>>714467267
He looks like Solid Snake

The slopification of Hideo Kojima.

>>714484630
Maybe Kojima didn't bother to raise his own child, and left all the work to his wife. Maybe he thinks that's what fathers do.

>>714484327

>>714484918
it's not weird, Kojima is a massive pussy who is easily swayed by public opinion, I mean he went on record saying he revved up the combat focus because he's old and people have expressed wishes for him to make another metal gear. similarly a lot of people think of death stranding as a story game that either has no gameplay, or the gameplay is just tedium, so even as early as directors cut kojima back pedaled on the whole traversal thing and added a highway to weather station and a bunch of ezpz gadgets.

what I'm wondering is, why make death stranding 2 at all and pretend that it's the same thing when clearly you as the director yourself don't seem to believe in its structure? now it's essentially just a driving game except with horrible fucking driving physics that feel to driving what platforming feels like in those UE slop games where it's just a tacked on thing.

>>714484918
Route planning is genuinely the most useless mechanic since you can just figure it out as you go. If you fuck it up just reload your save and do it again but faster. Normies who can't deal with being challenged are a cancer on game development because they make the game hold your hand so much.

>>714484389
>>714484630
>>714484634
Physint is going to be bad (story wise), isn't it? Kojima really needs an editor.

>Kojima rewrites the story and changes things around in order to avoid making a predigested mainstream product
>ends up making a predigested mainstream product with some weird haha moments anyway

>>714485283
At least it will be more grounded.
Death Stranding let Kojima be too abstract and metaphorical with its world.

>>714485665
What did he actually change in the story though? Lou dying early? Neil's role?

Is the chiral antigravity device any good?
I can't figure out if I want to bother with it
And it's either that or two placebo grenade pouches I don't ever need to use

>>714484918
How can Kojimbo be a fkn genius who manages to make a completely unique AAA, big budget game.
Only to backpadel in the sequel and make MGSV.2 with an even more retarded an pointless story...

>>714486125
Don't be ridiculous DS2 does have a better story than MGSV. Probably MGS4 as well.

>>714463761 (OP)
More people need to contribute to the fucking roads

>>714486404
maybe Kojima should've made a game where roads are actually worth anything like DS1

>>714486198
My comparison was between DS1 and 2.
But I dont understand how exactly can you rank vocal cord parasites compared to french tentacle makout sessions.

>>714463761 (OP)
>useless
So, you havent finished the game...

>>714466009
>the highest rated game of all time on the gaystation store
That doesn't mean shit since you can give 5 star ratings for unreleased games on that store. It happened with tlou 2 as well, you dishonest homossexual shill.

>>714486404
I'm literally the only fucking person building roads in my playthrough. The only time I've seen roads get finished is when I said fuck it and did story missions up until the point of no return, and everytime I see an unbuilt structure there's fuck all chiral crystals donated to it. Why the fuck are people so greedy with the crystals when there's a shit ton of them just laying around?

can the boost skeleton not double jump?

>>714487187
seems like it

>>714487263
Well at least I can stop carrying it now

>>714487158
I played the first game on PS4 far after the release and I had to do every road on my own, it was grindy but also kinda satisfying once a big region was all connected

>>714487320
well it jumps further which pretty much makes up for it, I personally haven't used the battle skeleton since

Anons, should there be a death stranding 3 in your opinion?

>>714463761 (OP)
He saw the God of War's annoying talking headand said "ill make that my original idea"

>>714487414
>it jumps further
Yeah. But stabilizer 3 makes the battle skeleton jump further. So I'm just using that combination now to fly across the map

>>714487493
Only after the directors cut of 2

>>714487493
Nah. Make something new and hopefully less pretentious instead.

>>714487493
after playing ds2 my opinion on the matter is that there shouldn't even have been a ds2

>>714487386
So did I with the exception of maybe one or two road segments. Having them all connect back from the mountains to that distro center was satisfying as fuck though. Currently back in Mexico farming 5 stars for all the mats to bring back so I can actually get them finished.

>>714487493
If it's going to be another handholding experience like 2 was then no, fuck that. I wish they gave us the option to turn all that bullshit off.

I'll still play it though

>>714479557
> 90% of criticism is literally just made up delusional rambling by asshurt steamies
> "Gosh, it's really annoying when people call out this made up bullshit, they're literally fucking subhuman shitstains and I hate them, fucking cocksucking nigger cattle bitches, I hope they get aids and die. They're worse than the people making stuff up, honestly. I'm a fan of the first game btw, I just hate the new one and everyone who plays it and kojima. Fucking disgenic faggot sluts."
weeds.jpg

>Sam opens a book and starts reading
>Dollman starts explaining what happens and finishes in a minute
What a fucking asshole. Let me enjoy my book

>>714488827
Genuinely the most forced character in the game

>>714488668
It's time for your medication.

Were the devs having a laugh with the fast travel? There is 6 different methods of traveling quickly all overlaping each other. Was it a jab, a statement?

>>714489034
>forced character
Oh, could you explain what this means?

>>714489034
(blocks your path)

>>714466009
>It is the highest rated game of all time on the Playstation store
This more of an indictment of the Playstation playerbase, than an accolade of the game itself.

>>714489141
this game is not designed like a game with a singular vision, makes sense that there'd be a lot of redundant shit

>>714489141
You cant use it in the story anyway

>>714463761 (OP)
i feel the same fucking way when im playing bejewelled 3 and take too long and the game gives me a hint even though i turned hints off. makes me wish the death star would blow this whole stupid planet

Was the cuck subplot really necessary?

>>714489208
His whole existence is to hold your hand and tell you shit you've already been explained and point out the most obvious shit ever. He has no impact on the story outside of a few "look, dollman is in the game!" moments so you remember he exists.
>>714489217
She is also as equally pointless to the story. The whole fucked up pregnancies thing wasn't explored enough to make it worth giving a fuck about. The most interesting thing about her is her fucked up hands.

>>714489217

>>714466009
>Okay Sam, here's what's going on in case you fell asleep during the last cutscene.

>>714489613
It was a way to explain what the fuck happened with Lucy since it wasnt explored in the 1st game, the affair gave another hue to the whole parenthood theme since Neil seems to be the real father for a while. And its an excuse to put the actor in the game, to make more references to MGS, and to make battle arenas tied with the story like with Mikelsen character

>>714489938
When the Magellan became a mecha/EVA, I just knew it would give you a thumbs up

>>714463761 (OP)
Every good moment in this game is ruined by him telling you what's going to happen or narrating what's already happening right in front of you. I wish throwing him at the ground made him shut the fuck up for more than half a minute so I could play the game in peace.

>>714490059
Why the pajeet with narcolepsy gets lost again and again?

>>714489613
Mads was so much better.

>>714490286
you seem to be one yourself, so you tell me, sir

>>714490381
>pakistani shitskin thinks everyone else is a pajeet

>>714484918
lol ds1 is even easier

>>714485817
He rewrote the entire script.
This is an early sketch from Shinkawa from the original script. We do not know what the original script was.
Then he changed some things in the new script after internal tests were 'too positive' supposedly.
Again we do not know what was changed here.

>>714466870
Actually he says a bunch of cringe moral fagging shit like "its a blessing to watch Tomorrow grow, we must continue to support her"
Hes very fucking lame

>>714487493
It is not needed. But then again, 2 was not needed after 1's ending either. Kojima just came up with some new stuff.
Maybe if 2 is successful enough they will make 3 under a different director after Physint.

>>714491087
Sounds like bullshit to me since most of the game is just a retread of the first, except Lou gets replaced by the crew of the Magellan.

>>714487493
After how awful 2 is? Fuck no.

>>714490527
you have already exposed yourself as esl

>>714463761 (OP)
Yes, and what is wrong with that?

>>714487493
No, but he made it a possibility. I dont understand how, after all the scenes of Tomorrow taking her shoes off because thats how she can use her tar powers, she ends up using boots as a Porter

>>714487493
No just fucking make Physint already. He should've just done that instead of DS2

>>714491187
He's such a fucking gigafaggot

Why was Sam banging a granny?

>>714489217
She's barely even a character

>>714491526
Because Sam is nearly 60

>>714491187
I get strong "me must be better men" vibes from Dollman

>>714487493
>OD was already revealed and he might have to put more work after the xbox fiasco
>Physint is a thing as well and we havent seen anything yet
>Kojima said he would like to see how things are in KJP after OD and Physint and then maybe get into the film industry
>but he also said pic related
Dont get your hopes up

>>714489141
its an issue with Kojimas game design from MGSV taking over.
Using ship teleport reducing likes is a 1 to 1 copy from MGSV, using stuff like stealth camo.
But here it doesnt make sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np4Jh1xcOEs&t=532s

>>714491456
She only takes her shoes off in an emergency. It's like activating her devil trigger.

>>714491751
Rumor is that Xbox cancelled their publishing deal for OD. Kojima could find a new publisher or it could end up cancelled.

>>714466602
>you need to confront neil vana one last time
this is where the game lost me entirely, it wasn't even trying anymore. It was clear even before then too the pacing was fucked, but the mask was fully off at that point. Literally just "this is going to happen now because the plot demands it, k?"

That 3rd bossfight was also garbage

Also they baited me into thinking we might get a flashback mission as Neil porting women through Mexico, seeing as how Neil is supposed to be Sam's equal compared to Mads

>>714492159
You're such a retarded npc. Literally any random retard can make something up and you will get strung along.

>Snake IS the nuke in Death Stranding

Where does DS2 rank among Kojima's other games?

>>714492353
The game looks pretty bad so it wouldn't surprise me

>>714492457
Slightly above/next to MGS4/V but powergapped below MGS1-3. Its clear he doesnt know how to pace an open world story even when he has over 10 years to try

>>714492182
He went overboard with the meta stuff, I think the timing is very inconsistent. And I also felt underwhelmed by Neil 3rd fight, I enjoyed the setting cause I live in Mexico City, but the direction of the whole sequence was meh

>>714492457
Better than MGS4 and V. The story has a lot of filler and sloppy writing, but Kojima nails the emotional ending in a way that he hasn't done since MGS3.

>>714492457
probably his worst game

>>714492457
MGS2 > MGS3 > MGR > Death Stranding 2 > MGSV+Ground Zeroes > MGS1 > MGS4 > P.T. > Death Stranding > MGS Peace Walker

>>714463761 (OP)
https://youtu.be/zvk8_IqNfys?si=b-O9xzR8KOO32nLA

>>714463761 (OP)
Hopefully when this game gets a PC release there's a mod to throw him into a pit of tar for good and removes him from the game entirely

>>714493813
phenomenal shit taste

I used to be one of you, a Kojima hater. Death Stranding sat in my library for years, and the few times I tried playing it I quit because I thought it was boring and too cutscene heavy and I had other games I wanted to play. Then earlier this year I tried playing it and it clicked with me, it's a silly game, but it's fun and polished as hell, and beautiful to look at.

I'm enjoying DS2 even more this time, driving around in my truck with 2 sticky guns picking up everything I drive near is a ton of fun, don't care what the haters have to say because I used to be one but now I'm enlightened.

has anybody used the chiral spider hat
How efficient is it at converting blood to stamina?

>>714495853
stfu, I really liked Death Stranding (the original, not the demake cut) and DS2 is a fucking insult to its legacy

>>714492457
It retroactively ruins DS1, so it's on the same level as MGS4 for me when it ruins previous games.

>>714463761 (OP)
Wait, this game takes place in Mexico? LMAO

>>714495997
It's literally like the same game but better, are you even playing the same game I am right now?

>>714496110
No, retard.

>>714496000
I wouldn't say it ruins it, but it was entirely uneccessary and undermines the whole "I wanted to stop making MGS at 2", and then the dude just makes Death Stranding: Metal Gear

>>714495853
I had to stop using vehicles halfway in
They're pretty fun but I found myself not using ladders, anchors, jump pads, etc
Kind of like Death Stranding 1, but unlike 1 there's not many areas that force you off of your truck.
It's obviously intentional

>>714496137
it's the same game but worse in every single way

>>714496628
>It's the same game but better in every single way
ftfy

>wanted to play DS2 because i wanted more DS1
>read this thread
>mfw
So you're telling me he pretty much made my comfy/atmospheric walking simulator with a wacky but still somewhat serious story into an easy mode meme driving simulator ?

>>714496957
Its just as easy as the first game

>>714496957
It's literally more of the same Death Stranding gameplay. You can ignore using vehicles for most jobs.

>>714496957
Honestly speaking it's about as easy as the first game. The only big difference is that the three areas that force you off your truck (for around 30 minutes of total game time out of 100+ hours) no longer exist.

So if you want to bike everywhere, you can.
On foot gameplay is more fun, same as it was in the first game.

>>714496957
Yep. Everything good about the first game has been modified to babysit normies who are too retarded to have themselves challenged, there's no sense of accomplishment to it anymore because the game is holding your hand every second of the way.

>>714497030
I've seen people saying there's literally no challenge at all. The first game still had some tense parts, like the mountains at first.
>>714497097
>>714497145
>you can just not use x and then the game is fun
Really
>>714497173
Yeah thats what i've gathered. Grim.

>>714497238
You're a faggot.

>>714497319
You're angry.

>>714497030
everyone saying this is a secondary who only played director's cut

>>714497474
Fucking this. I played the first game at release, and while it wasn't THAT HARD, you had tense moments, had your batteries running dry and stuff like that, at least. Director's cut literally made everything easier, so i can only believe those cunts only played that before 2.

>>714497238
yeah but honestly anon you have to admit that it ultimately you could al-
>ziplines
-ways just circumvent shit it's not like it's really rui-
>ziplines again
-ning the player experience, just don't use the easy mo-
>ziplines again
-de tools that are there for people who want to
>ziplines three times back to back over a mountain
experience the story without the gameplay

>>714497474
>director's cut
wtf that made the game even easier?

>>714470746
is this the plot of MGS VI?

>>714470746
t.

>>714498171
(whoa-hos internally)

>>714466293
Funnily enough the guy playing Mimir in GoW is also in this game, he's the president of APAC.

Why is half the population of Australia Japanese in this game?

>>714497097
Even if you ignore vehicles the terrain is still flat and uninteresting to traverse. I used a ladder like once in 60 hours

genuinely every single time Dollman speaks, it would've been better if he hadn't said anything at all.

like in chapter 15 he's like
>"okay Sam, the DHV Magellan is gonna act as bait, we'll take advantage of that to head to the beach where we'll hopefully find Tomorrow. this will also be an opportunity for you and higgs to finally settle your differences."
but he doesn't say this ahead while planning, he just regurgitates the same thing you were just told as you're running to your destination, like he thinks you're some kind of retard who doesn't know what to do, this is 100% borrowed from fucking western slop like Ragnarok and Horizon. it just feels like fucking chatgpt giving you a summary of what you're doing as you're doing it.

Anyone saying this is easier than the first game is a fucking retard. In the first game the vast majority of the challenges could be circumvented in the main story. Walk around mule camps, crouch walk through BTs, just hold L and R to go up steep slopes. DS2 introduces a bunch of new enemy types and actually makes you engage with them directly. I barely paid attention to all the different weapon types in 1, I’m using almost all of them in 2. It’s not HARD hard but you fags are making it sound like you can just hold the control stick up to get from point A to point B. That’s a way less viable strategy here than it was in DS1.

>>714463761 (OP)
>oh, I know what this game needs; a useless, backseating shit character with a horrible back story whose only purpose is to reiterate obvious plot developments and their significance to the player
But enough about every single party member in expedition 33

>>714498980
>But enough about every single party member in expedition 33
Mind broken

>>714498976
>and actually makes you engage with them directly
no it doesn't
>>714498976
>but you fags are making it sound like you can just hold the control stick up to get from point A to point B
No, you hold R2, because you're sitting in a vehicle 24/7
>That’s a way less viable strategy here than it was in DS1.
he really says this in a game that has the coffin board that completely deletes all traversal from the game.

This will be the most competitive Game Awards in years.

>>714498976
More weapon use is a complete and total downgrade.

>>714463761 (OP)
Every MGS game had at least one character like this, you just don’t remember because talking to them on the codec was optional. They should have added a designated input to ask Dollman for tips in the field instead of just having him tell you shit you already know. I still like him though, he’s charming.

>>714471612
I think this takes on meaning when you learn later on that Fragile asked Dollman to support Sam as his therapist. He’s literally just trying to encourage Sam to take care of his basic needs, which is something people with depression often struggle with.

>>714499298
>claim the game is easier than ds1
>actually it’s not and here’s why
>b-but that makes it shit!!
Where are those goalposts going next, Pablo?

>>714499304
DS1 too. Everyone hated Die-Hardman when the game released because he would call Sam every 5 minutes to explain something.

>>714499452
one goalpost for my post, and that's
>you can just not use x and then the game is fun
yeah, just play the game the way is fun for you retard. You can trivialize the first game, you can trivialize the second. Did you use ziplines every moment you could? If yes, you're a faggot. If no, then don't drive the fucking cars all the same. Faggot.

Was Diehardman possesing Charlie the whole game, as in literally putting his Ka into it? Or he just meant as in remote control?

>>714499510
Yes but could you imagine if Diehardman called you up just to tell you that a fucking door opened up right in front of you? That's what dollman does.

>>714499118
>no it doesn’t
The first several mandatory missions have you sneaking through/raiding enemy camps and killing (not just crouch walking around) both basic and boss-type BTs. There’s more variance in mission and encounter design in the first few hours than DS1 had across an entire playthrough. I just finished my second playthrough of DS1 a week ago, which is how I know. Why are you lying through your teeth?

>>714498976
I wasn't going to respond to the directors cut cope given that the only version of the game I played was the original through 4 different playthroughs. But, I do agree with you. The hardest part of the game was not forgetting a ladder for Junk Dealer and your first trip to Wind Farm when you still didn't know how to play and so didn't use the 3 (4 for comfort) ladders to bypass the real challenge.

what do these fellas give me for five starring them

>>714492457
Worse than pretty much all of them, better than MGSV story wise mainly because MGSV was unfinished but MGSV was more fun to play

>>714499794
Yes.

>>714499794
It's a chiral hologram. At the start of the game there are only four people on the DHV (fragile, tarmam, dollman, and sam) but it lists 5 occupants. He's literally hiding in the supply closet you aren't allowed to visit.

>>714499859
Nothing besides the ability to rest in the shelter
But there's feed everywhere and in like every locker all the time. Nobody wants to take shit to those birds.

>>714499806
All DC does really is make the game go a bit faster. It also added a brand new hard difficulty so technically DS is more challenging than the original.

thought I couldn't hate dollman any more but I just fought Red Samurai on the beach

>>714499805
yea but let's ignore the traversal part which is 80% of the game

>>714499724
I don’t know what you’re replying to here. I never said that. I still think that there are options in the game that make it way easier, probably unnecessarily. I’m just saying that by no metric is it “easier” than DS1. 2 pushes you to engage with your surroundings way more on average.

>>714489613
Kojima is obsessed with this topic for some reason

>>714499918
>>714499953
Ok, and the APAS and nigga reveal in the server beach were the actual beach or just an ilussion? Cause if its the first one it wasnt explained well how nigga went there

>>714500285
>2 pushes you to engage with your surroundings way more on average.
idk what you're getting out of lying.
mules can't even ping Sam's cargo anymore so you can just sit and take everyone out from safety or lure them into bushes one after the other.

>>714499510
I loved him because I eventually found it hilarious and he ended up being the only good character aside from Sam/Mads. Every time Charlie's voice came up I started laughing. I was also incredibly disappointed when I found out you HAD to pick die-hardman's voice for Charlie, because I thought having 4 choices was actually really cool.

>>714500128
I’m not finished with the game but I’ve been using climbing anchors and ladders way more than I ever did in the first one. I brought two of each on almost every mission in DS1 just in case and would almost never use them.

I also don’t get the complaint that DS2 is more vehicle friendly on average. There are some flat stretches but there are also canyons and mountains fucking everywhere, plus cargo is damaged way more easily in vehicles now.

By the way, all of this is assuming you’re playing both games on the highest difficulty. If you’re not, your argument is null.

I think people complaining about the difficulty, while its true Australia feels more flat, they dont consider the fact that we all know how to play the game now and DS2 gives you explains you and makes you use the mechanics much quickly, whereas the first one was a new thing

Kojima really thought he was cooking with cuck Vana huh?

>>714500895
He wanted to spite Metal Gear fans again by making Snake's lookalike into a cuck

>>714500285
mixed up posts
wasn't the anon you were replying to, but DS's worst part was turning into a TPS. Whole game would be better without a single gun.

>>714500895
I made this before I found out about the reverse twist

>>714500668
nta but it IS more vehicle friendly. The coffinboard is basically a victory lap in areas you've already connected. Roads are "easier" to make because the only real resource isn't grinding deliveries, it's killing BT's to churn crystals into raw materials from a mine.
There are exactly 0 locations that make you get off your vehicle.
In the first game there were 3 places in central that dislodged you from your truck on first visit.
Where here you can bike literally everywhere.

Routing is substantially "easier" for vehicles too because every single base has a direct route that has hills you can traverse.
Driving a truck up this games snow mountain is relatively easier even before you get the upgrade in comparison to 1 where you were sliding more than you were climbing.
But just like that game, using vehicles is fucking agonizing so I don't know why somebody would willingly do such a thing if they're not keyed into to that kind of playstyle.

>>714501048
Every version of Snake suffers.

>>714500502
>mules can't even ping Sam's cargo anymore
Why the fuck did they remove this?

>>714500502
>mules can’t even ping sam’s cargo anymore
Probably because a mechanic where a shitload of enemies are simultaneously alerted to your location regardless of the player’s actions was a retarded idea for stealth gameplay and completely nullified intentional enemy positioning. Never mind that the very first bandit outpost you find in DS2 (the abandoned parking lot/freeway) is orders of magnitude more visually and geometrically interesting than any of the camps in DS1, which all looked exactly the fucking same and never got more complex than “big wide plain with a few rocks and patches of tall grass.”
>but you can press r1 to negate the ping!
Yeah man, super fun, I love having an entire encounter play out differently if I don’t play the gay little rhythm game the game gives me. Perfect for stealth.

>>714500523
I was so disappointed when I couldn't choose Lockne as Charlie's voice

>>714501338
>muh stealth
Pussy ass puss

>>714500804
What people really have a problem with is the tone and feel of the game. Kojima is just having fun but some people feel like he made the game to spite them because apparently DS1 is perceived as some extremely serious art project.

>>714501063
For DS1, I mostly agree with you, the gunplay is pretty boring. I’m having way more fun with it in DS2 though.

>>714501652
>because apparently DS1 is perceived as some extremely serious art project.
Kojima basically makes anime, but DS2 has more "meta humor", and he takes it a little overboard at times

>Gameplay is DS1 but better
>Story is DS1 but worse

Tomorrow being Lou is predictable, even when she was first revealed years ago.

And was Sams hallucinating even a reveal? It was so obvious

>>714501602
Acting like DS1 and 2 aren’t trying to be stealth games is being willfully retarded and we both know it.
>Sam, this is Die-Hardman. Make sure to sneak around the mule camp. Whatever you do, DON’T LET THEM SEE YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME SAM
The game’s stealth being mediocre doesn’t suddenly make it an action game, it just makes engaging with its systems the way it intended less fun.

>>714501892
I haven't seen everything but I have seen like the first 6 hours and the story seems a lot less clumsy than DS1 was.
DS1 had such a slow and clunky start as far as story goes, 2 gets going a lot faster

>>714501892
>It was so obvious
I thought Kojima was doing a thing.
The samurai makes goo goo gaga's so alright fine it was stuck in a dimension and aged slowly. Then Neil says words that could be translated into "not empty" so I thought that was that.
To think the most obvious answer was the correct one.

Am I retarded or do hematic weapons not use up Sam’s blood anymore?

>>714501417
probably wouldve been my second choice, she has a real calming voice, the addition of dialogue choices that have a 'correct' choice is one of the worst additions to 2

>fragile asks you to join her
>say no
>it literally just restarts the cutscene

>>714502093
DS2 beginning is a lot faster, and the setpieces are better - but so much of DS2 beyond that is so predictable

>>714484630
This is what really upsets me about DS2 is the way it absolutely shits on DS1 with the whole Tomorrow twist. Sam and Lou connecting with each other when they were lonely and had nobody else was incredibly poignant even if they weren't biologically related, and seeing Sam care so much for a random baby due to his desperate want to be a father was really sweet and touching, and made the end hit that much harder as they finally found family in each other.

But DS2 just throws all that in the fucking trash to make Tomorrow some sort of mary sue-esque badass that barely interacts with Sam at all, despite the game HEAVILY hinting right at the beginning who she is. My expectations that it was so blatant because the game was going to have Tomorrow/Sam become friendly and connect, leading to her being in danger having more emotional impact. But nope, Sam grunts at her once or twice and that's all you get. Even after the game ends you barely fucking know how they act around each other or show any signs of the deep relationship they had in DS1. DS2 just basically shits on the best thing from DS1 in favour of forcing twists that didn't need to be there, especially when done in such a half-assed way.

DS2 just pisses me off story-wise. DS1 was not a stellar masterpiece with its writing but at least there was actually emotional weight to the story beats and characters that you could care about. DS2 just feels so shallow in comparison and this felt very evident from the get-go that Kojima just wanted to make goofy bombastic scenes rather than have them actually fit the narrative or hold any substance. I loved DS1 too. It lived rent free in my head for years. DS2 I'll probably forget in a month or just feel pissed off about it whenever I DO remember it.

I don't know how people can pretend this is anything more than glorified DLC. I remember sequels used to feel like substantially newer journeys over their predecessors. Now they feel like a full-priced patch. Game is ok. 7/10, 8 when you consider the production values.

>>714502181
they don't
There's only one that does and you'll know what it is when you get it
The hematic weapons here are using synthetic blood

>>714502181
They Mass Effect 2'd the fuck out of this game taking any complexity out and making it simpler

wasn't the entire revelation of 1's ending that Lou was a girl? and then they just went on to still say Lou instead of Louise until the very end of 2?

>Electric guitar mini game
>The game doesn’t turn into guitar hero and instead you’re just spamming the X button

>>714501892
I think the supporting cast in 2 is really strong but they fumbled the execution for Lou and Neil. Both seriously could have used more screentime.

>>714502449
That’s disappointing. I’m enjoying the game overall but needing to balance weapon usage with blood loss was one of my favorite little mechanical details in DS1.

>>714484630
>Sam watches Tomorrow single-handedly take out an entire Ghost Mech squads/Higgs
>"ERM. ARE YOU LADIES GONNA BE OKAY?? YOU SURE YOU DON'T NEED ANY HELP? YOU GONNA BE SAFE?"

I really enjoyed the majority of the game but the ending sequence and how the story resolved really felt bad. None of this felt planned from the first game and connected. I think the guitar end fight was stupid and I usually enjoy over the top battles. This was close to a perfect game till the end imo. Am I everything wrong with gaming in hoping the game had some kind of post game content to grind shit out for and test all your gear? Some complex endgame?

>>714484630
>Walks in on Tommorow and Rainy singing and awkwardly sings a verse before walking away.
Was it autism?

>>714490059
please fucking help me sir

>>714502468
It’s still a nickname dummy

>>714502329
I think your major complaint is a symptom of using Hollywood actors they probably just didn't have everyone available to do these things and probably had very limited time with them as is

>>714484918
>the mountain zones at the end were truly challenging to traverse
Did we play the same game? Just equip the all-terrain skeleton and hold forward on the control stick. The mountains were genuinely way easier than some of the early zones, I took maybe 3 spills total in the final third of the game and it was because I got bored walking down steep snowbanks and let Sam slide down.

She's so fucking sexy bros

>>714502913
>Lou
>Louise
>Tomorrow

>its a nickname
so which one is the real name, stupid

What was Higgs plan just watch Sam burn for eternity?

>>714503127
He clearly wants to fuck sam

>>714503082
Louk at deez nuts lmao gottem

>Amelie has to sacrifice herself to keep the Last Stranding at bay, isolates herself on the beach eternally because there's no other way to stop it due to her nature of constantly wanting to end humanity
>Tomorrow just gets over it, says no to the Last Stranding, and is allowed to live normally afterwards as if it's no big deal
huh?

>>714501149
I almost would have preferred if Lou really was just some random BB. The explanation of Lou actually being Sam's daughter was so damn convoluted and ruined the story of ds1 for me.

>>714503247
Can someone not Indian answer?

>>714503497
It would have been better plot wise if Lou was that Samurai robot

>>714503264
kek
>>714503349
Amelie probably had something to do with it or some shit

>>714502634
To be fair, Rainy is basically worthless and had no real reason to ever be picked up, and Fragile has only ever gotten fucked up in any physical encounter and her entire career was due to being able to just teleport cargo anywhere instantly which is over. They may as well be XXXL sandbags bolted to Tomorrow's hips.

Still, it was nice to see the cast actually start doing anything instead of just having pillow fights on the ship while Sam does everything.

>>714503561
He clearly wants to fuck Amalie vicariously by fucking Sam.

>>714503029
I genuinely don't know what these retards were doing in the first game if they thought it was some tactical traversal game. It's just as you said, put the suit on and maybe drop some generators if need be. Everything is then trivialized.

Sam's gonna get knocked up for real in DS3 bros

>"Im a kontaku, I even use hollywood actors!!!"
>game is anime af, with western soap opera and bollywood elements

>>714503127
Until he found out that Lou was the next EE, yeah I guess. He was salty that Amelie chose Sam over him so he just wanted to fuck with him as much as possible

>Says he's going to put Bokka's in this game and whatever
>Bokka just turns out to be some faggot weeb larping as one
Why?

>>714503029
I never even got off a bike. Since they changed the bike in 2 I was kind of expecting it to be less effective in the snow, but it's pretty much the same.

>>714500668
I am playing on the highest difficulty, but you're a retard who doesn't understand that difficulty only affects 3 things: cargo container timefall degradation, how much damage cargo takes when you fall on your ass and the container is already damaged, and lastly how much damage Sam takes.

it has absolutely no impact on the traversal. you're just trying to fish for cringe gotchas because now you can pretend that anyone who says the game's traversal is a joke compared to ds1 just didn't play it correctly or some shit. I don't know where you found challenge or places to put anchors in this game. the first and last anchor I ever had to place was to retrieve lost cargo for mr impossible.
and it is literally an undeniable fact that you can easily traverse the entire map with vehicles without ANY roads

>>714503720
Sirs...

>>714502329
DS1 had themes that carried the game beyond just the story. DS2 is like a fucking action sequel that has nothing to say except for le exciting story moments, but even that is too much praise because after the initial hook (which is already a head scratcher) like 50 fucking hours pass before anything of significance happens, and before then all you get is like 1 minute cut scenes of tomorrow and rainy talking for a bit about things that do not develop tomorrow's character in any way whatsoever. this is the most pointless sequel I have ever played, and Kojima's worst game

Honestly I think Lou actually being Sam’s daughter makes more sense than just being a random BB. A lot of people made that connection way before DS2.

>game gives you tons of weapons and gear for dealing with the evil UPS guys
>beat the game using nothing but shotgun and assault rifle

>>714504798
its retarded and contrived. What does it add to their relationship?

>>714504673
>do not develop tomorrow's character in any way
Her getting kidnapped by Higgs and ending up as nothing but a plot device was extremely fucking disappointing for how much could have been done with her

why did kojima literally spoil the entire game in trailers? nothing new is revealed to the player until chapter... 15?

>>714499284
I’d give it to E33. Death Stranding 2 is good but it’s an iteration on Death Stranding 1. Expedition 33 being a AA title from a nobody studio but bringing something really unique feeling to the table felt like a much needed breath of fresh air. I want game publishes to see this and think, “oh, so that’s what they want. Ambitious, self contained experiences with unique gameplay and interesting stories, not formulaic entries in oversaturated genres aping the same tropes and engagement models of live service games they already have”.

>>714502457
It's a brain dead walking sim you drone out to kek I don't know why you're looking to it for complexity. You sound like a retard.

What's going to win GOTY this or Claire Obscure?

>>714499284
No one who's being honest thinks DS2 is a GOTY contender.

>>714505186
donkey kong

>>714505057
Im surprised he used footage of the final battle in the reveal trailer

>>714463761 (OP)
A dummy for dummies?

>>714505057
that's how it was in DS1 too, it's why i don't watch kojima trailers anymore

>>714505186
Critics: E33
Geoff awards: DS2
Objective GOTY: Bananza

>>714505094
LMAO play the game before you spit out retardation like this kek lol

>>714499284
ds2 is not even gonna be a contender. it's gonna get its honourable nominations but that's about it.

>>714505408
Bananza looks like ugly shit.

>>714505408
He didn't award DS 1 though GOTY and for that reason I think DS 2 will win since he has his plausible deniability now

>>714505438
I just finished the game earlier and I finished the first game when it came out. If you think it's anything beyond brain dead then you're probably eligible for government assistance.

>>714505198
It is Kojima's best game in a while. Or at least his most complete game.

>>714505562
>Lying like this
Lol just play the game retard oh wait you are a bitter pc gaymer and probably can't lol

>>714505448
If a retarded poker game and husband and wife coop game can win literally anything can win

>>714505490
You have shit in your eyes then

>>714499284
E33 brought me to full on tears.

Death Strandings just pretty damn good.

>>714505816
>retarded poker game
>won GOTY
grim

>>714503127
he Wants Sam to overcome all the things he's doing.

you have to understand, Higgs is a liar, he wants to be beaten, but he wants to try and destroy humanity as hard as he can, and for you to stop him.

its really that simple, Higgs "loves" Sam and wants Sam to win, but only beating him at his best, essentially Higgs is commited to playing the ultimate Devil's Advocate.

>>714503957
no, he SOLELY hates Amelie for tricking him and ruining his life.

everything else is a cope and a lie, he will absolutely fuck over the cast and try and destroy humanity, but its solely about Amelie, and really, he secretly wants Sam to overcome him, he gives it away with his sad sack speech at the end, and just how much he's enjoying fighting you when he could likely kill you at any time.

>>714506518
Higgs is just Joker knockoff #274857. I found him boring and I can't stand Troy Baker anymore. If a game has Troy Baker and they try to sell him as a star I know the game is going to be shit. He is not a star just a voice actor with a lot of roles

If it wasn't for idol autism I would've half-expected it to turn out that Higgs was behind the Pekora model all along just to troll Sam

>>714504798
this was the most poignant moment from the first game, very well done.

such a simple thing, so intrinsically human.

>>714506682
all his Joker shit is an act.

>>714463761 (OP)
Kojima should be skinned alive for making this garbage

why didn't sam and elle fanning kiss in the final shot?

>>714506859
Yea and guess who else does that? The Joker. He explicitly has comics where when Batman is gone the Joker just vanishes because he loses his purpose which is to play foil to Batman. It's the same boring shit. I wish there was no Higgs and it's just Neil and a very basic story of a man who wants to kill another man who cucked him

>>714507064
I was also hoping for this

how come I never saw the higgs sam tentacle deepthroat scene?

>>714492457
Imo, it's A tier, maybe even A+.
I haven't finished the game yet though, so maybe it will even jump up to S, or go down.
I'm 45 hours in on chapter 7.
It's way better than MGS4 at least, imo.

>>714493813
Pretty based. I would put Peace Walker over MGS4 though, and I think I would put DS1 over MGS4 as well.

>>714506763
That would actually have been funny as fuck. Imagine Higgs learning Japanese just to fuck with him.

>>714496957
>falling for contrarian /v/ shitposting of all things
The difficulty is identical to the first game.
The driving is the same but a bit more polished.
Retarded ass post.

If you kill someone do they blow up? If BTs kill you do you blow up?

>>714507064
>>714507187
Based

>>714501892
>Story is DS1 but worse
There's no Amelie-tier character in 2 so I wouldn't call it outright worse.

>Retarded dance sequence
>Egregious MGS callbacks
>Yet I'm incredibly hyped by based Die Hardman's return
Kojima games in a nutshell

>>714507717
Oh, I think I finally realized why I enjoy DS2 so much more than DS1, it's because Amelie is not in it

DS2 should have been Fragiles game. Lea seems to actually give a shit and her performance blows everybody else's out of the water.

>>714507719
you didn't even care about diehard man until his entry in this game

>>714507717
all DS fans hating Amelie is the single strand connecting us

>>714507359
You need to take a nap next to the coffin.

>>714507905
thought she was just as stilted as everyone else. idk if there's a good performance in this game. especially when I then think about Charlie Cox performance in another recent game.

>>714507937
I liked him in DS1 and his speech when he takes off his mask is giga based. But honestly, it's obvious that Tommie Earl Jenkins is the only cast member that loves Death Stranding. So i happy to see him return, because i was worried that Kojima gave him the Quiet treatment

>>714508030
my japanese girlfriend recently told me that she almost threw her controller when she was forced to hug amelie

>>714508162
Based

>Everytime I saw the Megellan floating there I said "damn that's a good looking ship"
Yoji is so good

>>714508063
I didn't play E33 but I saw an interview where Cox said E33 was just a 4 hour side job his agent gave and he knew nothing about or cared so I doubt his acting is noteworthy in that

>>714508121
>it's obvious that Tommie Earl Jenkins is the only cast member that loves Death Stranding
I think Lea loves it too. At the very least she loves Kojima.

>>714508327
His performance was good, but honestly Ben Starr's Verso was just way better. The facial animation on that character in cutscenes is just impeccable and elevates the acting tremendously.

>>714463761 (OP)
I am neutral on the funny puppet man

>>714508121
I dunno if Troy loves DS but I can tell he absolutely adores playing Higgs. His singing in DS2 is really good.

>>714507905
Fragile, Tomorrow, or Neil all could have been more interesting protagonists.

>>714508478
nah, Ben Starr is the poorest performance along with Monoco. Just way too "I'm acting" and putting on a voice instead of the organic direction they chose for everyone else.

>>714508692
Higgs comes off more as an obligated boss rather than a natural one if that makes sense. I wish they did more with Neil and him being your porter equal like having boss battles where hale has all the porter skills and gear you have and you have to knock boxes off his back for health and weapons. It would have been cringe kino

>>714508910
A delivery battle against Neil would have been ludokino

i love my girls

>>714509028
>certain delivery missions Neil shows up trying to steal your cargo on a bike and you have to either beat him or escape him
>throw random BTs in there too while this is happening and you both have to simultaneously fight each other and evade BTs
Kojima should have done this

>>714508907
other anon but ok cool opinion even if it is very wrong

I hope Physint is not open world.
Love MGSV, love DS1, love DS2
It's time for something new.

>>714509067
They should have had a 5 hour long orgy after this

>>714509192
sorry bro but Kojima loves wide barren deserts

>>714509067
>all the woman characters are strong but because they also act like woman IGN and other tranny sites whine about how they are depicted

>>714484436
This was not humor for its own sake, these Johnny scenes were important for the plot

>>714509192
A lot was lost in MGS V when they went open world. Enclosed limited set pieces were the bread and butter of past MGS games. Every MGS V boss battle was soulless due to being open world

>>714509067
My wife was in the room during this cutscene and said it was "gay"

>>714466009
E33bros why the FUCK is this happening??????

>>714508692
because Troy is a true professional VA/Mocap actor, one of the best in the biz, even if he's an annoying fucker outside of that.

this guy blows most hollywood faggots out of the water in terms of ability and commitiment.

>>714509539
The things I'd do for an expanded Ground Zeroes with different locations...

>>714463761 (OP)
>SAM dat SNIPER RIFLE is not equipped with a SOPRESSER.

Was Kojima paid by some organization to push good hygiene habits since you are constantly told to bathe?

>>714509991
Yeah, Nintendo

>>714501652
>What people really have a problem with is the tone and feel of the game
only retards are coming away from the game with this complaint

The story was so retarded. Anyone who tells you kojima tells deep and complex stories doesn't understand the difference between that and a contrived, jargon laden shit squirted all over their face.

>>714509783
>this guy blows most hollywood faggots
KEKKYPOW

>>714510171
your french slop will never be as good as DS2

There is no reason why they couldn't do like what the division does and after the game ends full the map with post game side missions and better gear unlocks and a secret final boss. This game feels fun but it needs more content that is pure gameplay

>>714499859
The hologram and a rainbow patch

>>714510291
compared to the first one they did have actual optional bosses part of order progression, they just aren't locked to the post game
The Drawbridge Q-pid mechanic is also cool

>>714510557
If I beat the game and I locked out of those optional bosses?

>>714510716
you can still even do the tron reference mission in postgame I'm pretty sure

>>714466009
>It is the highest rated game of all time on the Playstation store as well, people.
this just shows you snoys have shit taste, AGAIN

After you beat Ghost Rider he and his minions randomly appear on roads now that's pretty cool

>>714490059
He's such a bitch to get to 5 stars but everytime you rescue him you get to hear a Low Roar song so I forgive him

I feel like people forget just how much every aspect of DS1 was criticized and how DS2 tried to remedy everything to make a more engaging game. Both games are far from perfect but they try.

>>714501892
Dollman says "that pod is empty" in his first appearance, and fragiles cutscene does show her and lou on the beach not walking into the water like dying people do, so my thought was either he was losing his mind or it was a dooms thing only he could see

>>714510950
DS 2 took EVERYTHING bad about part 1 and fixed it. Snobs look down at it being action heavy now but I don't care it's fun now

I only played DS1 for a bit but I didn't really understand what structures I see that others built and vice versa.

Do I just get thrown into a random server, hoping enough people built infrastructure there and if not, reload the game?
Because surely with enough players you'd have Route 66 amounts of highways built by the community, right?

>>714510826
>tron reference mission
where?

>>714511124
The jingle is worse (bar amelie)

>>714510930
I totally predicted that bossfight, like what else could a track like this be for
https://youtu.be/kBP3CddiVTk

I kinda get the feeling Reedus didn't want to be in this one this time since he talks less and I assume that's why mimir.....er dollman was created

>>714511126
The game is constantly pulling structures by other players and putting them in your game. Also you only begin to see certain structures once you've unlocked them yourself

>>714511206
Do the ghost hunters side missions and make sure you pay attention to all the requirements

>>714504673
My take is that DS2 is the gameplay kojima wanted in DS1 and the plot was very much just an excuse to make the game.

>>714511126
>you'd have Route 66 amounts of highways built by the community, right?
lolno, the best you'll get are random ziplines and bridges in places that make no sense and you'll be left to fuck yourself and farm all the mats for roads on your own

>>714511253
Dollman didn't really do much talking outside of stating the obvious though

>>714510909
the whole >fragile has been dead this whole time makes zero sense and feels like a last minute addition

>>714511361
Will do

>>714510950
ds2 took everything good from ds1 and ruined it. except maybe combat against catchers

>>714511436
Someone built a random large bridge that crosses nothing and it has a million updoots

>>714511650
This has been a staple of the gameplay since the first game and it pisses me off to no end

>>714511650
teehee so random

>>714511650
that's because structures built where they aren't useful have less competition because most other people only build them where they are useful

>>714511521
This game feels like parts of it were made based on the cast like Kojima set it in Australia just to make George Miller happy and he made this elaborate story about Lou being Sam's kid to get a big name Hollywood star and be the focal point of the plot

>>714511521
This was obvious from the first trailer though along with Lou being dead

Why are there so many Asian people in Australia

>>714511650
I still have no idea what giving and receiving reddit up votes in this game does

>>714511978
ever been to australia? do you know how many mainland chinese study abroad there?

>>714474587
I think it is the number of connection that you have

>>714511992
It doesn't do anything. It's just the courtesy of giving and receiving likes for the sake of it. It has no impact on gameplay. Though you're probably more likely to make links with people who have more likes because they make useful structures.

>>714508303
Yoji carries the whole game and I think everyone knows that. All Kojima does is pick actors that best match the look of his concepts (with his own bias sprinkled in obviously).

Took me 40 hours to beat doing minimum side stuff, which I did mainly during the first half. Im glad I did the ghost riders one. Now Im finally turning the online for episode 17, hope you all did the same

>>714512337
To be fair Shinkawa would be totally wasted without Kojima. They just work too well together.

>>714470408
Nu-God of War character - Kratos hangs his head off his ass. Sits right between good character and reddit-core.

>>714512394
Not really but I admire the autism

>>714466009
>It is the highest rated game of all time on the Playstation store as well, people. Try it out, it's great.
Is deliberately talking like a Redditor a new type of bait, or am I just out of the loop?

>when the Tomorrow is Sam's daughter lore drops, Die-Hardman immediately jumps to the thought she was perhaps conceived via artificial insemination instead of Sam just fucking another woman
lmao poor Sam

>>714512032
Yeah but in the game they're Japanese people with Australian accents which is funny

>>714485074
He's Liquid Viper

>>714484327

>it's called drawbridge because they are bridges you can connect AND disconnect
KOJIMAAAAAAA

It will be interesting to play MGS Delta next month and to see if it's soulless without Kojima

>>714513030
Well, he does know Sam has extreme oneitis so it makes sense.

>>714463761 (OP)
Dollman was great though. At least he's not just boring exposition like every other character in the game

>>714513378
The new remix of Snake Eater sucks

>>714513448
>At least he's not just boring exposition like every other character in the game
That's literally all he does. Worse even, he reiterates exposition

>>714513448
>At least he's not just boring exposition
Did you actually type this out because you believe it or are you baiting?

>>714489217
she's a good actor, I don't know why she makes /v/ seethe

>>714505198
The real GOTY is Dolls Nest

>>714513448
>At least he's not just boring exposition like every other character in the game
uh, that's all he is. he's the exposition after the exposition

>>714513909
Yep, I heard she's easy to work with

>>714469880
That’s like the most common sort of bilingual. My Croatian friend has full arguments with his mother where she’s only speaking Croat and he’s speaking only English. It’s a lot easier to know what someone says to you than to perfectly recite it backs

>>714463761 (OP)
Kojima is so arrogant he wouldn’t want his work interpreted any other way than how he intended it to be interpreted.

>>714507621
t. director's cut player

>Sam and Fragile kiss after having zero romantic chemistry throughout the game
>A few hours later, it's actually given meaning and explained that Fragile kissed him because she's been dead all along
Why do the Japs do this?

When do I get more deliveries to this guy? He's been a pain to level up

Why does the stealth gameplay feel so bad and simplistic?

>>714469145
>people hated him for he spoke the truth
日本語勉強しよう

>>714514631
cause it is in fact simplistic

>>714514816
But why didn't Kojima expand on it if he wanted to make the game more than a walking sim?

>>714514302
I played vanilla at launch on hard (the hardest difficulty at launcH)
And then director's cut on Very Hard (added with Director's Cut, hardest difficulty)
The muh director's cut cope is pure and utter contrarianism.
It just gave you some more tools to play with (which are not even the most powerful ones in the game, those are available in the base game) and a harder difficulty.

>>714514891
I think he did but at the same time didn't want to make a MGS V clone

>>714463761 (OP)
my favorite version of this is in the yakuza games where they make sure some random explains the entire plot up until that point

>>714515578
Die 0fag

just finished the game. definitely Kojima's worst game for me.
really enjoyed death stranding and it's gonna be tough now to not have negative associations with that title. oh well.

>>714511650
welcome to reddit normie humour
making "amazing chest ahead" jokes ever since
pic related but with jokes

>>714509067
redhead tomboy
pregnant asian
blond daughter wife

I love this harem

it might be impossible to have this discussion but while playing through ds2 I kept wondering how it could be that e33 has better facial capture than this game, despite kojima having access to million dollar mocap studios while e33 performances were captured on phone with some unreal engine phone app

it's a bit better than 1, but not that much from what you would expect from a sequel.

I'm so tired of the random songs that play all the time. It's clear Kojima wants to do the RDR1 ride to Mexico thing but none of the moments have been good so far other than maybe after you save the guy from the bandits

>>714516649
that's just plainly false. e33 characters esp Lune and Sciel look very uncanny.The graphical production in DS2 is in another level, and this is coming from someone whose loved e33.

Babam babam bambam

I'd love to see Luca in Physint, thought he did an amazing job in DS2. He was my fave character.

>>714517170
he was barely even a character wtf

>>714516779
what did you expect from a sequel?
I thought it was trying to become the best version of what a death stranding could be and I thought it succeeded in that regard.

>>714517170
He deserved more screentime

>>714516649
It literally doesnt?

>>714517249
How is he barely a character? He might not be a Magellan crewmate but he was just a pivotal part of the story and just had as much buildup, if not more.

>>714517465
>He might not be a Magellan crewmate
those too are barely characters

>>714517353
hear hear
post more pics of the game pls, it's the best looking game in years and I think Kojimbo's cinematic taste and style is evident with a lot of the cutscenes

>>714517337
>what did you expect from a sequel?
I do sort of agree with you, but I just don't think that the stealth and combat mechanics are polished enough.
For example, DS1 had no cover system at all even though some fights felt very much made to have some kind of soft cover like MGSV.
2 adds some soft cover system, but it is REALLY inconsistent and is just much worse than the one from MGSV:
I'm not expecting it to be the same as MGSVs since Sam is not some super soldier, but more consistency with the controls, better feedback.
Same for the stealth mechanics. They have slightly improved it, but not really enough. I would expect them to make Sam able to go prone when you take the backpack off and have some more interesting level design for the bases so that you can crawl under some things. Make the difference between having the backpack on and taking off bigger.
There are improvements on the areas I expected to be improved, but the improvements are not quite big enough.

>>714517787

HORIZON DREAMA IM A HORIZON DREAMA!

>>714517465
>a pivotal part of the story
Explain.

>>714517648
oh okay, what qualifies as a character for you?
can you give an example in another game.
granted, I do agree DS's writing and characters isn't really it's strong suit.

ok so who was the cat tho
and who was the baby on the ship?
and who was the 1 additional crew member

>>714517901
the ps5 capture and replay function is underrated. you can easily extract high quality screenshots and clips.

>>714518173
I'm so mad I thought we was gonna be able to pilot the giant mecha BT for ourselves, but nope it's fucking Fartman doing it instead

>>714517170
already p much confirmed, which I hate because I'm just gonna see him as Neil
using actors was a mistake

>>714518140
The cat was Tarman's son reincarnated
The baby on the ship wasn't there. Sam was going full Fight Club and imagining she was there
The additional crew member was Die Hardman as Charlie or maybe even Deadman possessing Heartman while he was on the beach

>>714517954
he is the reverse anti cuck mcguffin chad snake self insert who frames the plot advancement of Sam's relationship with Lucy.

>>714518173
Whenever I take screenshots and download them off the ps app they end up being pixelated as fuck, how are you doing this?

>>714518434
why was lockne and mama in the beach travel sequence?
everyone in the circle was in Magellan except for her.

>>714518473
I'm using all default settings on Android, so nothing special

>>714518330
I have a schizo theory that physint is a code name for a new Metal Gear game. I think him and Konami made up. He said Sony is making a movie on that game it's pretty weird to make a major movie about a unproven game unless said game is Metal Gear which by the way Sony has the movie rights too. I think Neil was the actor auditioning to play Snake in the movie. I hope I am wrong because that guy doesn't really look that much like Snake

>>714518434
>The baby on the ship wasn't there. Sam was going full Fight Club and imagining she was there
no, I meant one of the characters at one point asks Sam if there's a baby on the ship because of some activity that I don't remember

>>714518509
I dunno about that one. I think Kojima just wanted to bring back all the characters to represent connections or whatever (and Margaret is too busy/famous now to return)

>>714517787

>>714518509
Qpid

Got 5* on every prepper in DS1 but have no desire to do the same with DS2

>>714518606
>schizo theory that physint is a code name for a new Metal Gear game
It's not impossible. But personally, i hope it's a new thing. I want to see Kojima create a new world again

>Sam kills himself in front of Lucy because she's a dumb bitch who won't believe him about the beach
>"omg that's so hot, let's fuck Sam"
>Neil leaves her for dead and has a panic attack in her office
>"omg that's so hot, let's fuck Neil"
what the fuck is her problem, even Higgs isn't this degenerate

Not reading anything in the thread, but just wanted to say I've been enjoying it a lot so far. Will participate more when I'm done so theres no spoilers, Keep on Keepin' on

>>714518817
Nothing to spoil

>>714518768
Another thing Kojima is getting really old and he implied that physint might be the last game he works on and it would make sense if it ended up being Metal Gear the series he made his name on and he ends his career with followed by helping make a movie about it

>>714518768
Kojima's worlds will always be something something America. I mean it wouldn't even be a stretch if MGS and DS were in the same universe. Not saying they are, just saying the foundation for the settings are very similar

>>714518609
I think it was Heartman who asked him about it because there were some building blocks in his room then it was either Rainy or Fragile who said she was taking interests in all sorts of shit. It's really just a clue for the player to figure out that she's Lou.

>>714518817
if you've seen the trailers you unironically know everything

so a sequel with a new protag is likely then. maybe dlc?

>>714519020
I hope not

>>714518817
Lou is the red Samurai
Heartman is dead
Deadman is the President
Tarman is Fragile's dad
Higgs and Sam make out and have sweaty gay sex for 30 uninterrupted minutes while Tomorrow and Rainy lezz out in the corner
DS3 teased, Dollman is the new protagonist
Ur welcome

>>714518817
play it blind as much as you can, it's a really wild ride

>>714519020
More like directors cut. However a full game starring her would be too boring she is theoretically too powerful and I don't want the old Metroid "I lost my powers at the start and slowly have to regain them" bullshit either

>>714519020
I'd rather have a game where you play as a regular ass porter. No superpowers or anything

>>714519020
I doubt it. Unless the TV show does amazingly, it seems like Kojima is done with the series. The Epilogue with Tomorrow is just a reinforcement of the theme that "travel = evolution and progression"

>>714519195
kek

>>714518974
Yeah, Kojima spoiled a lot of the game in the trailers. Showing the Neil scenes (that don't appear until the final third of the game) and Megellan Man was mad really

where would you rank DS2 in a kojima games list?

>>714519680
Spoiling the whole game in your trailer is just hollywood meta

>>714519760
Not quite top-tier, but just below that in the high tier. Potentially top-tier given some time since it just came out.

>>714463761 (OP)
Can't you leave the toy behind? Tell me you can unclip this bastard and leave it in the toilet.

>>714520046
no. it's quite unintrusive though and there are two good story reasons why he is always with Sam.