Thread 714465559

Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games. What do you have to say for yourself?

>>714465559 (OP)
I love community servers.

>>714465559 (OP)
if it was that destructive, the EU wouldn't have needed prompting

>>714465559 (OP)
Didn't Capcom release the full version of Megaman X Dive Online as Dive Offline? All the content thst you unlock as you play the game? lol.

Reminder Thor posts here and has been caught running multiple alts on social media.

>>714465559 (OP)
Nice

>>714465559 (OP)
If only

>>714465742
So that explains the increase in retardation. Not that /v/ is much better off without thor.

>>714465742
I believe it.

>>714465559 (OP)
>all so 3 dorks world wide can play a game from 30 years ago on a dead server
It's sad that the only thing that matters here is the "game from 30 years ago" and everything else is just character assassination for having the desire to play that game because modern games can't hold a candle to something literally older than themselves.

>>714465742
Don't call him Thor, his first name is Jason

>>714465559 (OP)
based

>>714465734
Yep. Capcom already getting ahead of the curve by proving not only can it be done but that it's not even that difficult to do.

>>714465559 (OP)
nothing wrong with live service games. they can just let users run their own local server like minecraft.

>>714465734
Nintendo also did that with Animal Crossing Pocket Camp. They killed the f2p online, but released a paid offline version with all the content.

one of those dorks will be me

>>714466061
https://ac-pocketcamp.com/en-US

>>714465559 (OP)
>Being the single greatest threat to video games in the coming future all so 3 dorks world wide can play a game from 30 years ago on a dead server.

>>714465734
God forbid people actually have to play a video game to get stuff. OP is a faggot

>>714465742
this is one of the oldest fucking memes you fucking giga-newfag i can't believe people like you aren't banned on site

>>714465559 (OP)
Unfortunately I can only sign it once, but I can spread the word

So I can have the gacha with all the content available to me without the predatory practices from corpos?

>>714465559 (OP)
Good riddance
TSD(Total Slop Death)

>>714465559 (OP)
>greatest threat to videogames
>not the day 1 MTX
>not the MTXs in general
>not the DRMs
>not the anti-cheat malware
>not the DLCs
>not the overly large file sizes
>not the forced RTX
>not the required day 1 patch
>but an EOL plan that ensures that I retain what I paid after the end of support is the biggest threat

this is a level of circus I didn't thought possible

>>714465559 (OP)
Based. This is what I voted for. I hope it kills the GaaS cancer for good.

>>714465742
Babby's first first person bait?

>>714466347
umm sweety this is a threat to devs, we don't care about you

>>714465742
Thor here, you're a brown retarded nigger monkey

Signatures only mean that someone will take a look at it at some point.
Not that anything passes or is made.
There's thousands of initiatives going all the time. 99% is just dismissed.
Also that particular one is about single player games. Wouldn't affect online games.
If anything it would most likely mean that more games go multiplayer and singleplayer gets abandoned.

What even causes people to actively want GAAS experiences like that?

>>714466347
Most of that is just you bitching about not being the 90s anymore. DLC is just expansion packs by another name, big file sizes can be solved with another hard drive, and DRM gets cracked within days, except the always online DRM which is what this movement is against.

>>714465559 (OP)
Good riddance.

>>714465559 (OP)
excellent

>>714465559 (OP)
Even Microsoft of all companies gave a piece of shit like Redfall a final update to be able to play it offline.
https://gamerant.com/redfall-update-4/

>>714465559 (OP)
I'm ok with that.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
You say that as if it's a bad thing.

>>714465742
i hope thor commits suicide.
i also hope the game industry dies too.

>>714466119
Yes, nigger, says right there on the website

>>714465559 (OP)
I HECKING LOVE EU REGULATIONS!!1!

>>714465559 (OP)
Good.

>>714465559 (OP)
Fantastic, those games are universally shit

>>714466119
>nintendo mobile games
>not switch
WHAT

>>714466682
What is he bitching about exactly?

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games. What do you have to say for yourself?
Good. I hope live service and especially gachatranny are banned. Fuck gachatrannies, they normalized gambling, shitted up Steam and shitted up /vg/ and /v/. Gacha to tranny pipeline is real, Twitter and 4xhan being the hard evidence. Gachatranny is a cancer that should be eradicated from the face of gaming. Stop killing games. Except gachas are not he's, they're gambling casinos. Kill all gacha. Humiliate gachatrannies.

>>714465559 (OP)
the only thing sweeter than watching gacha games and live service die would be watching the fanbases that supported them die as well.

looking at you Madden and Fifa fags you deserve death by firing squad.

>>714465559 (OP)
Nothing. I support this
And i will never stop OWNING my games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0&list=RDJo_-KoBiBG0&start_radio=1

>>714465559 (OP)
>live service and gacha games

>>714466749
Modding website called "nexus" now requires driver ID's from europoors.

>>714466682
the uk isnt in the eu, retard

>>714466737
It was released in 2017, Nintendo had very low faith in the Switch, and wanted a backup plan just in case the Switch flopped like the Wii-U.

>>714466749
I'm guessing loli sex mods for skyrim got axed.

>>714466682
That is due to UK laws and UK is not in EU, the British people want and love control and regulation freely and independently..

>>714466682
reminder he made 25 million burgerbucks in this sale. whenever asked about the lifetime memberships both the founder and new owner refuse to fully commit to it, just that "we will try to honor those commitments"
pc modding needs a new site ASAP

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
Holy fuck based.
I'm signing

>>714466523
Stockholm syndrome.

>>714465559 (OP)
hell fucking yeah?

>>714466749
If you live in the EU you have to submit identification to download porn mods on Nexus now.

>>714465559 (OP)
I'm one of those 3 dorks.

>>714466682
>amerimutt think the UK is in the EU
absolute browncoded country

>>714466682
Ok so the solution is to kill government workers until they learn to behave themselves

>>714466903
The fuck? I thought only certain states in the US were that retarded. lmao

>>714466903
UK has not been in EU for some years muttoid.

>>714466749
>new EU regulation drops
>any european will need to show ID (driver license ect) to keep using the site
>previous owner of site (one that's post is screencapped here) sees this will become a problem and panic sells the site
>new owner allegedly didn't know about the new requaltion and panic corrects to try and dodge it (it didn't work) and now is stuck trying to salvage the situation

>>714466838
>That is due to UK laws and UK is not in EU, the British people want and love control and regulation freely and independently..
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/15319

>Does Age Verification Affect You?
>>For UK and EU-based users:

>>>In the future, we will be introducing age verification for the majority of adult content hosted on the site. The specifics of this are being carefully considered as we want to get this right so that the option to view adult content remains available to adults, whilst fulfilling our legal obligation to ensure children are safe on our website.

>>714465559 (OP)
>make it impossible to make live service and gacha games.
you didn't tell me THAT was what the petition was for, sign me up

>>714465902
His name is Maldavius Figtree

>>714465559 (OP)
I'm not really sure what the people in the OP are really thinking, like can they just not fathom the idea that games can be made in a way where they don't require a central server and have been made that way for 40 years?

Asian games will just stop releasing officially in europe depending on how the legislation turns out

>>714466945
That would be violation of our constitutional right so no, no state is US is able to do that.

>>714466548
all the things you described contributes to a worse vidya experience of what I was having up to 2008.
The fact that you blindly accepted all of those is sad and retarded.
>DLC is just expansion packs by another name
the ones being in the game but not being enabled because you didn't pay, thus occupying space uselessly?
>big file sizes can be solved with another hard drive
so it's an issue I need to solve for devs being retarded?
>and DRM gets cracked within days
SEGA entire lineup after 2018 has Denuvo, and the last titles are all not cracked, because no one is around cracking Denuvo in general.
>except the always online DRM which is what this movement is against
Have you even read what this movement is against?

>>714466682
If companies weren't so shit, people wouldn't be clamoring for them to be regulated.

>>714466987
There exists no EU wide legislation that would mandate that. Nexus Mods asks EU wide verification because they want to, not because they have to.

>>714466924
see that red text FOUNDER?
That's the original owner, who lives in the UK and used UK-based servers. New owners have said they are staying in the UK.
You absolute donkey.

>>714466523
not knowing any better, like with iphone users putting up with their yearly humiliation ritual.

>>714467038
Good

>>714466749
He's trying to justify Nexusmods turning to shit by blaming ukrainians or whatever

>>714465559 (OP)
For myself? I hope only people who are into video games make and produce video games.

>>714467051
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/27/nx-s1-5422424/scotus-texas-porn-law

>>714466983
I'm sure post made more sense in your head.

>>714466468
Holy based? I'm removing my signature as we speak ThorGOD.

>>714466682
>please understand, we blatantly lie because we want to sell data for Chinese!!!

>>714466682
Imagine having to dox your self to some website that will probably get hacked in the future, again, just to view big titty mods.

>>714467145
>i have to submit my government-issued ID to a site that's had numerous data breeches in order to download mods
lmao glad i am not in texas anymore

>>714465559 (OP)
KILL THE FUCKING GACHAS
KILL THEM ALL
MAKE THEM REALIZE THEY SHOULD HAVE FUCKING SUPPORTED THE JAPANESE DEVS AS THEY WERE GETTING CENSORED TO DEATH INSTEAD OF PICKING UP SHITTY MOBILE GAMES AND SNEERING "heh, well the Japs shouldn't have been KEKS. based korea and china will replace them". YOU FUCKING NIGGERS NEED TO FIND OUT FIRSTHAND HOW THE JAPS WERE FORCED TO KNEEL! THEN MAYBE YOU'LL FUCKING UNDERSTAND AND SHOW SOME SOLIDARITY!

>>714465559 (OP)
then they should let people run private servers, problem solved.

also there are games/mmo's online right now that are +2 decades old at this point and people still play those so that's a straw man.
>>714466347
adding to this
>not games being buggy/never finished
>not bloated budgets
>not the gacha slop
>no the releases/remakes that play/are worse then the orginal
>not the DEI
>not the intentionally cutting content to sell as DLC day 1
>not firing all the talent for ham planets who bitch on twatter
>not cuntbags like druckman who think games are movies with m-muh subversion
>not dimwits like randy pitchford who write cringey ass memes because they can't hack it in Hollywood
>not mass hiring of pajeets/AI slop
>not all the dead IP's and game studio's that were killed
>not all the live service slop
>not the sheer level of general incompetence
>not the greedy shareholders who chase trends
>not the corporate cock suckers who defend this
>not the corrupt journo's who are nothing more then payed shills who don't even actually play games and would rather virtue signal/could get replaced by AI and nobody would give two shits
>not the endless scams and theft on storefronts
>not the anti consumer practices
>not the selling peoples mods as DLC
>not the multiple thousands of games being lost to time due to lack of preservation

>>714467337
I bet VPNs are really popular there.

>Ross "The Single Greatest Threat to Video Games" Scott
Can he be any more based?
It won't be long until publisher/developers start calling him a terrorist.

>>714467054
Look, I'm not saying that stuff is good. But think of it like this. You're complaining about Disney Star Wars being shit films where as people that subscribe to this movement are upset they can't watch the original '77 release at all, legal or not. All of those issues should be taken up with the devs. I'd agree that Denuvo should also be axed but there's too many people that would be corporate cocksuckers on this issue so we have to choose our battles.

>>714465559 (OP)
Why is it so difficult for these retards to just make everything offline, and give players a way to host their own server before you shut the game down?

>>714465559 (OP)
Good

>>714466749
>Have a modding website with world wide userbase
>large amount of user are from EU
>EU launches new regulation forcing any site that wants offer service to their citizens to use State Approved ID for "adult content", or stop servicing in EU.
>Site owner knows this will dig deeply into his pocket as most people in EU don't have ID (illegal immigrants) or don't want to show them (schizos) resulting in losses to site traffic and memberships
>sell the site
>new owner is left to hold the bag
You are here
>nexus shuts down

I've been playing 30 year old singleplayer games just fine. During that same time period, PC games had online multiplayer and offline multiplayer within the same game. Then, MMO shit came around, and it's been a downhill fight into turning everything into a more busted and lazy type of game.

>>714466519
Only a dozen ever got past the million

>>714467389
>circumventing government-mandated ID checks
feel that would surely have horrible consequences.

>>714466519
>Signatures only mean that someone will take a look at it at some point.

>someone
European commission, European parliament other EU institutions...

>at somepoint
in ~6 months after passing the deadline organizers will be invited to meet with the commission, and after that given time for a public hearing at the European parliament.


>There's thousands of initiatives going all the time. 99% is just dismissed.
there have been only 133 ECI campaigns when after opening in 2012, only 37 have been directly refused before voting. I give you that only 12 have been adopted directly from a initiative

tl:dr you are a fucking americuck lmao

>>714467450
>I'm not saying that stuff is good
>But howaboutmuh shitty fallacy
stfu corporate shill.

>>714467502
Greed and spite.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
uhhh fucking BASED!?

>>714467561
>tl:dr you are a fucking americuck lmao
reminder an american led your campaign to victory

>>714467542
If people can get away with it in a place like fucking China, then I'm sure people in Texas will be fine.

>>714465742
okay but that anon should be killed for tiktok speak

>>714466984
>new EU regulation drops
It dropped in 2022 and has been in effect for those affected since 2023. Hmmmmm.....

>>714467520
Yeah, knowing that, I would have done the same. lol

>>714467520
>uUuUuhHhh nO acTuaLlY eNgLuNd iS nOlOngeR iN eU sO uUuuuUUhhhhH.... iT jUsT d0Esn'T mAtTeR oK??11?

>>714465559 (OP)
>Have to end game support
>"Here's an offline mode to play solo and P2P server to play with friends"
>Done

>>714465559 (OP)
>make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
oh no
how terrible

>>714466682
sometimes the stars align and big government can actually do something good for once. even one as orwellian and stupid as the eu.

>>714465902
can i just call him faggot with a voice changer instead?

>>714465879
Yeah, it do be like that. For me? It's Star Control 2

>>714467751
I'm more of a Descent 2 and Earthsiege kind of guy myself but based choice nonetheless.

The fucked up thing is Mega Man X Dive Offline basically showed you can take any gacha game and pull it offline. No one is expecting servers to last forever for Call of Duty or Fortnite or whatever, but like, goddamn is it making a mountain out of an anthill, this argument was always about not wanting to put the effort forth rather than the actual logistics.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Nooo! This is going to kill the industry's ability to farm cash from us with casino faggotry!
lol, lmao

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games.
Good.

>>714467520
>>>nexus shuts down
oh hell yeah

>>714465559 (OP)
Cool but what's the downside?

>>714467923
The reality is that all of these games never needed a central server to connect to, it was always about control, and maybe saving on space but you could still offer the 100+ gb server for those willing to host.

>>714465559 (OP)
good all those games are dogshit

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
Based unending, gaming truly is healing bros

>>714467923
Also, Animal Crossing Pocket Camp Complete

>>714465559 (OP)
gachatards need to be saved from themselves. That and stop shitting up the gaming landscape by supporting garbage.

>>714467923
>>714468020
Is there any accounting judaism involved in this in the US? Can companies get better tax breaks if they erase GAAS games from existence compared to them letting some people just buy them from Steam?

>>714465742
I dislike that fag too but anyone can impersonate whoever they want on this site, that post proves nothing

Are there any games from the past decade from big companies that stand up to the greats of 20+ years ago?

>>714465734
Sort of, there’s stuff that didn’t make it into the offline version for whatever reason despite still being coded into the game.

>>714467520
There is no EU-wide legislation you retard, only some EU member states like Germany and France who are always on the forefront of taking away human rights pass local laws about it.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games

>>714468318
Germany doesn't have any such laws though

I doubt it. The appeal of live service games are the constant updates, events, and the community. From what I can tell with how gachatards often play half a dozen different gacha games at a time, I think they'll be happy to keep their PNGs when a game dies but will just as happily move on to the next one that catches their interest.

>>714467520
>>nexus shuts down
And nothing of value was lost, that site has been shit for years, guilty of terrible moderation and fleecing users, let it burn so that something else may take its place, if we're lucky, something better, if not, that's too bad

>>714468318
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification

why do you retards think this is gonna kill slopgames? its not like devs will be on the hook to keep making content forever, or even keep servers up, people just want to be able to play the game. its not a tall order.

>>714468318
>no EU-wide
hmmm.....

>>714465559 (OP)
>there's no way they can just make non-shovelware online only games or games that you can keep after buying
>games are going to die now!
This is a good showcase of how people will get attached to any status quo, no matter how shit it is.

>>714468556
>>714468428
Why do some countries want people to dox them self that badly?

>>714465559 (OP)
Honestly wish the initiative was as brutal as people pretend it is

>>714467654
>It dropped in 2022
huh? It's still in the works thoughbert and allegedly coming some time in 2026?
What are you talking about?

>https://edri.org/our-work/showing-your-id-to-get-online-might-become-a-reality-a-closer-look-at-the-eus-new-age-verification-app/

>>714468450
It wont but its a nice deterrent.
>Well we were considering making another gacha slop game but now we have to make an end of life plan.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games.
based

>>714465559 (OP)
SIGN THAT BLASTED PETITION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_by-4Mwv0IM

>>714468394
It does, but it's not widely implemented yet
https://www.yoti.com/blog/age-verification-on-adult-websites/
>>714468428
Read the page you posted anon, they're working on a solution that works for every member state, it's a work in progress not a passed legislation.

>>714468667
Could always just follow up with more petitions
>New petition to get rid of DRM enforcement.

>>714466682
This is coming to the US before it's coming to the EU

>>714465559 (OP)
Good, if these predatory games cannot be made, they shouldn't

>>714466682
The EU clearly stated that they should NOT gather more personal data to verify age?

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
How so?

>>714468556
>initially available in 3 EU member states
That's not EU-wide anon

>>714468735
I assume you replied to wrong post but just in case, see my post in the chain >>714467520
It's coming 2026, and we're more than half way trough 2025 so every website that is affected needs to start reaction to it now.

>>714468860
The devs don’t want to implement community servers because then they can’t steal money from you

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games.
HOLY FUCKING BASED

>>714468763
>this is coming to one (1) shitty states in US...
Not rest of us problem.

>>714468881
>>initially

>Stop Killing Games will kill games
What a twist!
*plays a superior game from 1992*

>>714465559 (OP)
Good. Gundam games seem to keep suffering from the SHITTIEST of live service and gacha games ever. Majority of them have fucking shutdown because of stupid reasons. Maybe it'll convince Scamco to make offline versions OR never make shitty games again.

>>714469061
>>Stop Killing Games will kill games
Lets not be dramatic. You may have to login to your goberment assigned app to verify your identity whenever launching M-rated game but the game is still alive and well.

>>714469061
Name it.

>>714468949
>passed at least one chamber in sixteen (16) US states, became law or enjoined in eight (8) stated and only rejected or vetoed in four (4) states
you have a very interesting definition of "one"

to quote someone else
>This is not the "Keep games alive" initiative, or "Prevent games from dying" initiative. This is the "Stop killing games" initiative.

>>714465559 (OP)
its really not that difficult to implement and execute. they just dont do it because its a little bit of extra work, and "muh IP". when they end support, they no longer have to pay for maintenance, so its not like they have to perpetually pay for servers to run.

>>714469189
If we take alternate timelines into account then there's millions of games that are dead, like Prey 2.

>>714465742
I bet you think Mozart posts here as well. It's just impossible for him, I'd have to be hundreds of years old

>>714465559 (OP)
If there's 3 dorks in it it's not dead and they deserve to be able to play what they bought.

>>714468153
As far as I know, you have things like refund systems being a court order mandate among other things like gacha/lootbox rates and more recently shop timers, but the actual maintenance and livelihood of video game upkeep has virtually no consumer protection laws at all, besides the fact that Terms of Service has no validity.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
Explain how.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
damn, I should've voted sooner

>>714468893
I've read your schizo post, but that's the ID wallet app, that's not going to be mandatory. You can read on the EU commission's website about it, one of the challanges they mentioned was wide adoption of the app, and their only way to deal with it is to organize events to educate people why they should switch to it. If they forced ID checks on adult websites by 2026 they would get in deep shit because they'd then basically force everyone to adopt it.

>>714465559 (OP)
>This will kill live service and gacha
Stop threatening me with a good time

>>714468992
Yes so so it's not an EU-wide thing, thank you for agreeing

>>714465559 (OP)
Not true unfortunately, but I support it just for the total industry death sentiment.

nothing to do with the extra work
they don't want to compete with their own games in the future
they like it disposable
they don't have to improve or innovate when you can't look back

>>714466682
EUfags please report the site for GDPR abuse

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
based

why do people here want companies which make good games like blizzard and electronic arts to die

>>714465559 (OP)
>kills gacha
One can only hope!

>>714468428
>post ID to prove I'm 18
>website gets hacked because owners cheaped out on security
>my ID is now publicly associated with using that porn site
>get fired/people use it to blackmail me/etc
>may even cause legitimate threats to national security when government workers get blackmailed
>actual children still view porn on sites that don't follow the regulations anyway
they should really consult people who know about the internet before making these laws

>>714469813
>blizzard
>electronic arts
>good games

>>714469813
>blizzard
lol
>electronic arts
lmao
But in all seriousness they actually can publish good games but in the process fuck over their devs with retarded demands. See Dead Space 3.

>>714469885
i got bad news for you, your meta data can tell people all of that already. But your a nobody so they dont give a fuck about it.

>>714466519
>99% is just dismissed.
Source?

>>714470112
>i got bad news for you, your meta data can tell people all of that already. But your a nobody so they dont give a fuck about it.
a government-issued ID and metadata are not equivalent and you're a dumbass of the highest magnitude for stating that

>>714470741
Nigger, you brought up the your ID being traced to certain porn, your meta data ALREADY can show that.

Dont see how it kills Gatcha. Just release it all to the public once your done milking the whales and want to shut down anyways

What happened to shipping the server.exe with the game?

>>714470853
Can't charge you 2$ for skins that way.

Here's an unpopular opinion: Maldavius is right about SKG, and it will make the gaming industry worse. Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers. The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.

This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones. This is why American service is far better than European service. Because the market in the US is freer. And the freer the market, the better it is for everyone.

SKG, on the other hand, proposes additional regulations that will burden producers but ultimately lead to all costs being passed on to consumers.

Those who oppose absolute market freedom are shooting themselves in the foot

>>714467520
>most people in EU don't have ID (illegal immigrants)
Is this what Americans honestly believe?

>>714465559 (OP)
Gook and chink gacha shite fuck off from existence.
All esport and trend chasing multiplayer trash cease to exist.
Even if SKG's goal was all of that to happen, and it is not it never was, that is a net positive.
Get fucked.

>>714467617
While millions of other americans tried to sabotage him, Maldavius Figtree and chuds seething about EU ITT included.

>>714470936
>The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.
this has led us to today. Games riddled with DRM and anti-cheat spyware at root level. I don't want that.

>>714468893
>It's coming 2026
Germany is technologically incapable of complying. We're still in the figurative stone ages and it will take a decade to be implemented. Some DSGVO nerd is probably gonna crush it beforehand anyway.

>>714465559 (OP)
Games from 30 years ago actually aren't rhe ones with this problem.

>>714465559 (OP)
>3 dorks can play a game 30 years ago.
Well, yeah. That's what they paid for.
I don't think perfectly functional cars should just cease to work after 30 years either. Or guns. Or pacemakers. Or in fact, any consumer good.

>>714469327
Top kek! You just outed yourself, Mozart. What an idiot.

>Less games released overall (Meaning games that do release have some quality control)
>Less bloated budgets (Since they can't bank on killing the previous game)
>More riskier projects (See above)
>The return of AA mid budget games
I'm sorry, what's the downside?

>>714465559 (OP)
I gotta say fucken good cunt

>>714470936
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>714470936
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones.
european goods are on average more requested than US goods. that is literally why trump is mad

>The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.
this is the industry that sells gambling to children

>SKG, on the other hand, proposes additional regulations that will burden producers but ultimately lead to all costs being passed on to consumers.
the cost of games is already made up and purely psychological. games are software, and the only thing that matter when selling software is how much the buyer is willing to pay, not how big you costs are.

>it'll kill the two most cancerous genres of video games
Sounds like a win win to me

>>714471263
>>The return of AA mid budget games
I hope to see companies willing to risk doing some weird lore stuff instead of just copy-paste the generic modern bullshit walk simulators.

>>714469813
I can host a warcraft 3 server and it doesn't kill blizzard thougheverhaps?

>>714467520
>EU launches new regulation forcing any site that wants offer service to their citizens to use State Approved ID for "adult content", or stop servicing in EU.
That never happened. Nexus refers to the Digital Services Act requiring them to do this to protect minors from accessing harmful content, but what the DSA actually states is that a platform CANNOT BE OBLIGED to request additional personal data from end-users to verify their age.

Basically, if they'd already have e.g. your birth date on file for some reason - then they could use that to verify your age.
Otherwise, they are not legally required to request the necessary data to do so. And as such, by the data minimization principles of the GDPR, actually ARE LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO.

>>714470741
elaborate
i want to hear your retardation

>>714465559 (OP)
Oh shit I thought gacha is safe, I love all my gacha games I'm taking back my signature

>>714470936
gr8 b8 m8
“When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you’re really not that price sensitive at that point in time”
Pro-tip: it was not the government that put this line of thinking into CEOs heads

>>714465559 (OP)
Good.
/thread

In most of the world "made in the USA" is a threat.

>>714465559 (OP)
Burgershills in full force now, huh.

>>714471623
FR i’ll trust a product more if it has a “made in Bulgaria” label, and they label 99.9999% of their products with “made in EU” instead lol

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games. What do you have to say for yourself?
it's not true but I wish it were

>>714468682
>What are you talking about?
NTA - but here's the low-down:

Nexus Mods is referring in their communication that it's the Digital Services Act which forces them to do this.
The DSA was ratified in Oct 2022. Part of it went into force in advance - in Nov 2022.
Article 18, related to the protection of minors online, didn't. It entered into force with the bulk of the regulation in Feb 2024.

While Article 18 of the DSA does state platforms must protect minors from accessing harmful content, it also states platforms cannot be obliged to request additional personal data from their visitors to be able to verify their age. The DSA only requires platforms to work with the data they already have access to, to try to protect minors.

As Nexus doesn't have any relevant personal data of its users - they could comply with the DSA by simply inserting interstitial warning windows whenever a user tries to access adult content, reminding them that if they're a minor it might be harmful and/or illegal them to view said content and they should go back, ... yada yada yada. That kind of thing would be the actual full extent of what the DSA requires of them.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Some shitty games I don't give a fuck about will not exist
>But games I do like, will persist functionally forever
Sounds like a win win to me.

>>714465559 (OP)
>What do you have to say for yourself?
I gotta say I'm pretty good

>>714471568
And what's specifically wrong with this? Just don't buy such games, don't play them. No one is forcing you. That's the beauty of a free market—you have ALL THE LEVERS OF PRESSURE on producers. You can simply not buy their crap and instead purchase what you like. Bad developers will go bankrupt, while good ones will thrive. Because the essence of a free market is choice, and where there is choice, where new players constantly enter the market, the one who provides the highest quality or most unique products will always win.

>>714470936
>american goods
There's a label on it saying Made In China

>>714470936
Market freedom has led to companies way over bloating their staff size, taking away free content due to the extra costs, and repackaging all of it into battlepasses and game edition upgrades and microtransaction shops. Everyone got shafted because companies continue to think the normal capitalist dream of "increasing everything will earn us more profit," and all it did was impart more costs on the companies so they have to kill the consumer's wallet for it.

>>714470936
>Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone
What axiom is that?

>>714465559 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714468893
The EU digital wallet app is not going to be mandatory and never CAN be made mandatory.

The ECJ ruled back during the Covid-pandemic, that the EU could not force people to present their jab-status via an EU-sanctioned app because that would force them into a contract with either Apple or Google; and could force them into buying an expensive smart phone they could not afford to renew every few years to keep it secure with software updates.

For that reason, every EU member state had the option of printing out a cryptographically tamper-proofed and verifiable QR-code on a sheet of paper back then. And it's going to be no different now. This digital wallet will remain optional.

>>714472157
The Hanukkaxim

>>714472030
the problem is that by destroying a work of art and preventing people in the future from ever using it again, including those that bought a second hand copy, you are damaging people not involved in the sale.

Since the damage is experienced by a third party, that is the definition of a externality, and thus the price mechanism cannot fix this issue. Externalities are to be solved by the state.

>>714472308
This.
Just like when the new cunts at Nexus tried to lie that the EU's DSA made it "mandatory" to collect info to verify users being 18+ and they had no choice, when that law actually did the exact opposite, it made it illegal for sites to use and store your info to prove you're an adult.

>>714470936
>no country wants to buy American chicken because it's so goddamn filthy that they chlorinate it to make it safe to eat
>superior quality goods

imagine my shock when i realize 4channelors ( redditors in disguise ) suck governmental cock on every corner? took boost shot btw :3
you are subhuman filth hope your family gets raped by niggers even tho that is what you would get off to probably

>>714465559 (OP)
>gaming will go back to the old CSS and TF2 days
>games will be made by gamers and not faggot investors
Holy shit bros, we are back.

>>714472280
Just release the server binary, trannoid. Or add LAN play into your game.

>>714472280
"we can deploy on user hardware a complex interactive software which communicates with any GPU currently sold, but we can't deliver to the user a single binary that we already use to spawn the servers anyway"

>>714469885
The EU is taking its sweet time on this one because they actually want to get it right.
Notably, the way they want it to work you would not actually be sharing your government ID with private sector services.
You wouldn't even be sharing your name with them. You'd just be passing them a cryptograhically verifiable token that states: "current user is of legal age."

The other way around, the EU is designing this so THEIR systems also do not know the identity of the private sector service that is requesting you to attest your age. The end goal is to make it double-blind, keeping your privacy secured.

>>714470936
>mutt unironically shilling for socialism

>obvious outrage bait posts
>em dashes
They're not even trying at this point.

europeans are so buck broken by the government they literally beg for the government to take away more of their rights

i'm glad your homelands are being overrun by third world rapists

>>714470936
Based melamine baby milk enjoyer

i find it hilarious how nobody here cares how this headcannon law would impact actual small developer, and i am talking someone that is developing game alone, now he has to comply with some shitty nonsense laws
people truly are cattle that are to be ruled

>>714472646
This is protecting our to rights though?

>>714465742
>>714466370
kiwi tourists are just that fucking retarded
behead all kiwifags
deport them to their containment site
we already have plenty eceleb obsessed autists with /vt/ as is

>>714472694
who the hell is developing always-online games by themselves and not distributing ways to play them without centralised servers?

>>714472705
>i am being protected by being unable to develop game myself because now i need a legal team to develop game
LOL

>>714465559 (OP)
>gacha games
Worst cancer in videogames., even worse than wokeshit.
They all are just slot machines disguised as "games" and the amount of resources spent on it is stupidly ridiculous. So many talented devs, artists, etc were wasted on this putrid genre. Good riddance.

>>714472767
I am being protected because I, as a consumer, will no longer have my legally purchased property unilaterally denied me by the entity from which I legally purchased it from.

>SAAR DO NOT REDEEM YOUR POLITICAL POWER
>GOVERNMENTS ONLY EXIST TO PROTECT CORPORATE PROFITS AND ISRAEL SIR
>YOU CANNOT DO THAT IT'S HECKIN SOCIALISM
>SIR PUT DOWN THE PEN DO NOT REDEEM THE SIGNATURE SIR

>>714466548
Zoom zoom

>people think this will gacha
Lmao. Seeing how much money they make, losing EU wont make much of a difference.

>>714465621
True

>>714466548
>and DRM gets cracked within days
Only Steamworks which is intentionally nonintrusive because Valve isn't comically evil.

>>714472817
If you legally purchased it you would be able to play it. Sounds like you didn't.

>>714472762
why would you want to take this away from a developer? why do you want more laws? because you are inbred mouth breather that needs to be protected by government so he spends his shekels carefully? you people are so deranged it is insane
>>714472817
ok keep gulping that jew cum buddy

>>714465559 (OP)
We can still play games from 30 years ago because they let you host your own servers.
I can set up Quake and play PVP or Co-op with a friend. I actually did that recently.

>>714466519
>There's thousands of initiatives going all the time. 99% is just dismissed.

As of this writing, there have been 23 Initiatives total that have been refused registration in the system:
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-refused-requests-for-registration_en

There have been 119 accepted Initiatives over the course of their legal existence:
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-initiative_en?CATEGORY%5B0%5D=any&SECTION=ALL

69 of these failed to meet the threshold and 27 have been withdrawn by their initiators:
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-initiative_en?STATUS%5B0%5D=INSUFFICIENT_SUPPORT&CATEGORY%5B0%5D=any&SECTION=ALL
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-initiative_en?STATUS%5B0%5D=WITHDRAWN&CATEGORY%5B0%5D=any&SECTION=ALL

The remainder have all been answered, or are in the process of being answered.

>>714465559 (OP)
The government does not want you to know this, but jaypegs are free to download from the Internet.

>>714472967
>laws that protect corporate profit GOOD
>laws that safeguard the rights of citizens BAD
Holy fuck, Americans are so conditioned to their masters treating them like cattle that they cannot fathom exercising political power.

>>714465559 (OP)
>It will kill the worst cancer gaming has
Shit, I really need to sign

>>714472986
you can do that because somone took an effort to make them playable for faggot like you, not because there was some law in place
kill yourself

>>714469885
>what are zk proofs
granted, there's no way in hell they will get a proper and foolproof zk system going, but it's far more complex than just "lol show some random site the full ID"

>>714465559 (OP)
Its weird that people think this petition is a vote for a law. He just won the right to humiliate himself in front of thr european parliament and get laughed at and rejected immediately by just reading the law. Remember zoey quinn and feminist frequency ince did a speech to the un too

>>714472946
I can't play it if they make it online-only and close the servers. This is in fact stealing from ME. And the new law will stop that.
>>714472967
No sir, you are the Jew who is attempting to steal from us, the goyim.

>>714468428
This has already failed several times and it will never will be implemented, people are completely against it and unlike in the amerimutt dictatorship you can't just force shit in EU when it comes to privacy because you can use already established privacy protection laws and directives to destroy this kind of thing.

>>714465559 (OP)
Working as intended.

>>714472705
Please understand, the only right Americans want is to own a gun and half don't even want that.

>>714472694
Yeah all those solo indie devs making always online live service games look at you just making shit up to pretend to be righteous about

>>714466987
Have you ever heard about a concept called 'wilfull misrepresentation' ?
That's what Nexus is doing.

The EU's Digital Services Act (DSA) actually states they CANNOT be legally obliged to collect additional personal data to perform age verification.
Art 28, paragraph 3:

> Compliance with the obligations set out in this Article shall not oblige providers of online platforms to process additional personal data in order to assess whether the recipient of the service is a minor.
>
> -- https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32022R2065#art_28

>>714465559 (OP)
>make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
You're welcome.

>>714466936
Always has been.

>>714466682
>Stroking your chode to boobs is now "the darkweb"
We live in a society

>>714468556
This is lobbyist propaganda you mongrel retad, read >>714473175
They've been trying to push this shit for decades.

>>714465559 (OP)
GOOD.
Kill all the online-only "games" scam

>>714473076
i am not american, i am born and living in europe and i have lived enough to see what these laws do, they destroy identity and freedom, you can no longer even butcher a pig in your own backyard without a license, just fucking kill yourself total faggot, you do not understand laws and most certainly you do not understand technology, and yeah, if you think government is PROTECTING its citizens ( importing MILLION + NIGGERS a year ) just fucking kill yourself
>>714473180
how am i making shit up? are you delirious or retarded?
the fact is that this would make it harder for a person to make a game, you faggots even gloat about it non stop, HEHE DEVS WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO WORK HEHE
bunch of retarded children, literally

>>714473170
If you owned it you could play it. Sounds like you don't own it.

>>714466987
They are lying.

>>714467520
>most people in EU don't have ID (illegal immigrants)
That's america, nigger.
>or don't want to show them (schizos)
Companies don't need to know who I am so i can buy bening things from them. They have no reason to ask for my ID in 99% of cases.

>>714465559 (OP)
This thread unironically made me sign the petition just now

>>714465559 (OP)
All they want is to have a dev button that turns online games offline when they go EOS

Because of this, maybe we can play Genshin forever :)

>>714470773
What do you retards think meta data is? His ip.can only.be associated with his identity by his isp

>>714473351
you're a commie tranny supporter

>>714473281
developers already have the software to run the game on their computers without requiring to setup a company servers. all of them do. They just need to release their binaries exactly the way they release the game binary.

>>714473395
I told you I already signed it, no need to sell it to me.

>>714472705
It doesn't.

>>714472308
I'm so tired of fucking retards not knowing the only people and journo slop saying this is "almost here" for the last 15 years have been literal lobbyist pumping millions on this for mass control and ads/propaganda targeting. Fucking burgers are retarded.

>>714470936
Kys stefanvmolyneux

>>714467672
No, it doesn't matter, because EU law and UK law are different.
Often, the UK mirrors EU laws, but not always. This in particular is something the UK did by themselves and has nothing to do with laws in effect within the EU

>>714471892
>Article 18
*Article 28.
(Sorry- typo.)

>>714473395
Being called a commie by clapistanis is a compliment at this point

>>714473442
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
he thinks software MAGICALLY just WORKS
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>714470853
>Ships server.exe to customers
>Customers make their own groups, can enable cheats to unlock the 300$ gold weapon skin for free, the 1000's of dollars of player skins all for free, and even the special snowflake developer-only skins
>Can also have XP multipliers on servers, bonus AI count, modded weapons and other shit
>Why would you buy Game2 if you're able to play Game1?
>This all loses us money
>So that's why you can't have server.exe

>>714465559 (OP)
Japan needs to follow this as they need it the most.

>>714473183
They are working to change that, because it allows countries like france to ban porn site by forcing them to enforce picture age verification that are in fact illegal.

Holy fucking shit the journalists are actually doing it!
>As the #StopKillingGames campaign accelerates toward its goal of influencing legislation across Europe, America, and beyond, questions are emerging about its unintended consequences—especially for independent and marginalized game developers. While the movement has been hailed by consumers as a pivotal push for digital preservation rights, critics caution that poorly crafted regulations could disproportionately burden the very creators the indie scene celebrates.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”
>Beyond the technical demands, some worry about the creative toll. Ephemeral formats such as alternate reality games, one-time live experiences, or experimental multiplayer mechanics—often favored by marginalized voices seeking new modes of expression—may no longer be viable if permanence becomes a legal requirement.
>“There’s power in games that exist for a moment in time,” said artist-developer Kofi Adu from Berlin. “Mandating preservation could stifle a whole genre of digital storytelling that thrives on impermanence.”

>>714465559 (OP)
If you want the cold truth, the only people concerned by this are clueless indies who get easily frightened by things they don't understand. Nobody in the AAA industry cares, the petition already has a low chance of going anywhere, and even if it did we're looking at action taking place 10 years from now.

>>714473281
>how am i making shit up?
If you aren't making it up then surely you'd have examples of solo devs making live service games that couldn't possibly be easily altered to allow players to play the game without a dev hosted server. You'd surely be able to demonstrate that it is an actual problem and not retarded bullshit you made up

>>714465559 (OP)
Gacha games are unaffected because they're F2P and therefore a service that they may shutdown if they feel lol

>>714465559 (OP)
Good.

>>714465559 (OP)
I say that's based. GaSS wasn't just a mistake, it's what's actively ruining video games.

>>714473561
server binaries are the easiest binary to move. they have already been built to be moved to external server, since they quite literally work on the developers machines AND on the production servers.
Server binaries are the easiest binaries to make work on multiple machines, since they do not rely on GPU drivers the way they main game does.

It does not magically works, but it requires like 2 days of work if you are unlucky make a final build of the the server software to release at people. 0 days of work if you planned it from the start.

>>714473673
brother you have not written single line of code and it shows
just shut the fuck up about shit you do not know ANYTHING about

>>714465559 (OP)
Would a theoretical law be
>devs HAVE to support their own games forever
or would it be
>devs who abandon their online games leaving them unplayable lose any rights regarding digital locks/anti-tampering/copyright etc that normally prevent the commercial or open source development and distribution of private servers
the former is indeed unworkable, but the latter is very reasonable.

>>714473281
>you can no longer even butcher a pig in your own backyard without a license
You can, the only changes that have been made was that you shouldn't feed the pig slop, and you have kill it in a more humane way than just jabbing it in the neck and watch it bleed out in agony. My grandpa regularly does it without a license.

Why is that? Capcom turned a gacha game into a slightly buggy but still entirely playable offline, single player experience, for a reasonable one-off price.
In fact, didn't ninty do that too, with the animal crossing gacha?
Seems like it's pretty easy to do, actually, and can give the company an additional source of income... Wonder why they don't want it...

>>714473845
Not letting me torture animals to death is COMMUNISM

>>714473787
No government in their right mind would even attempt the latter since that's affecting ownership rights as a whole. While the former is also unreasonable it's far easier to achieve and would cause far less out an outcry.

>>714465559 (OP)
Did you never read his stuff?

Essentially it boils down to all single player games should be playable without an Internet connection after the developers decide to stop supporting it and all online games be playable on private community servers after a company decides to stop supporting it.

All the gacha, live service, and standard bullshit can still exist fine, however, when the company over them doesn't want to keep spending money on keeping them running then by default the community can take over running that shit themselves. The company wouldn't be responsible for content after that point but also couldn't get revenue for those services outside the initial game purchase either.

>>714473673
brother you have not written single line of code and it shows
just shut the fuck up about shit you do not know ANYTHING about
>>714473845
no, you cannot, you cannot sell alcohol you brew to your friends, you cannot do shit anymore, all because of faggots like you constnatly whine and cry

>>714473749
I don't know why Ross or that dev on Louis' stream didn't mention that ferret rapist software and all the other down syndrome retards are full of shit, mmos (or games with server dependency) are not complex to run locally nor is a rare thing, not only there's literal dozens of examples if not every single old mmorpg having community driven pirate servers but you could literally host your own in local network or use a vpn like hamachi for friend groups.
Not did I play wow pirate servers in literal 2005 but Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online. I even had my own Ragnarok server just to play as a single player and with my siblings.

>>714469639
Imagine being a game company that did nothing but run a game through AI up-res machine with such horrible results that R* had to eventually step in to fix the clusterfuck, while removing your studio and employees from the credits.

And nothing of value would be lost.

>>714473104
>there's no way in hell they will get a proper and foolproof zk system going
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-doc-standards-and-technical-specifications/blob/main/docs/technical-specifications/ts4-zkp.md

>>714473561
Really convincing response, dude. You sure showed us.

>>714467520
Oh my god is the hecking government trying to protect children from the degeneracy of the modern world? NOOOOOOOO sai it isn't so this is overreach on a massive scale the west has fallen

>>714473787
>but the latter is very reasonable.
Anon, you're asking for the rights to their property to be stripped from them for essentially no reason.

>>714465559 (OP)
Laughs in NES console.

>>714474045
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH HE THINKS 30YO SOFTWARE
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>>714474069
Yeah, because Age Verification fucking works right? It's not like you can't just Google "porn" and find some fringe sites that won't follow it.

>>714474075
>keeping the prduct you sold functional
>essentially no reason

>>714473750
>>714473982
Don't call me brother you useful idiot for the absolute worst of humanitiy. Rights aren't real. They are made up That's why cave grugs had to invent governance in the first place. Anything you have that you consider a right is a luxury afforded to you by a government interceding between you and corporations that would render you down in to chicken mcnugget foam if it had the chance.

>>714473750
>>714473982
>copy-pasting
Just shut up.

>>714474045
He seems to be a literal kid with mental illness.
In any case here's me destroying that zoomer bussy >>714473983

>Binland on it's way for of 1% of its entire population to support vidya
I salute you snowbros

>>714469327
kill yourself mofart, your music shits ass

>>714465559 (OP)
>will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
holy
omega
based

>>714473787
Why do you retards fail to read what STK actually wants? It's neither of your dumbass options.
Its literally just "Game devs can stop supporting a game, but they have to make effort to allow players to continue playing the game, usually just shitting out a server binary for them, by the way this would take a week tops for any company"

>>714474154
Doesn't matter, children should be protected, their phoens hould be taken away, all social media should be banned

I'm a moderate btw

>>714465559 (OP)
Those dorks, I hope they're ready for a knuckle sandwich

I am the real Thor. I support Israel and the absolute nothing they continue to do to Palestine.

>>714465559 (OP)
Those 3 dorks? Me.

>>714473972
>>714474075
I think you misunderstand, I meant they would only lose the specific protections that normally prevent the commercial development of private servers, not the copyrights to the work as a whole. We basically HAD those rights before the DMCA's cancerous anti-tampering clause and similar clauses around the world that went into effect around the same time.

>>714474236
yeah ok that's fair too

videogames are no longer products and shouldn't be treated as such, they are services and services can stop/pause whenever deemed appropiate. You don't own a service!
#StartTheGameGenocide

>>714473982
>no, you cannot, you cannot sell alcohol you brew to your friends, you cannot do shit anymore, all because of faggots like you constnatly whine and cry
Don't know what country you live in but here these and backyard pig slaughter are literally our nation's traditions and everyone does it. You only need a license if your commercializing which is completely reasonable.

>>714473634
> :: Points at the precedent of small business exclusions in the Digital Services Act ::
That problem is already solved and these (literal?) cocksuckers are a bunch of disingenuous snakes.

>>714474137
>hes russian
Lmao cant take you seriously anymore

>>714474342
>We basically HAD those rights
No, no we didn't. Developers giving out server tools was done of their own volition. Nothing has changed at all between then and now other than more games being made and server tools not being proprietary or unique to one game.

It's been very telling that the opposition to SKG always, ALWAYS reuses the exact same arguments and relies on total ignorance of the proposal.

There is not a single good position to take against it. Doing so just tells me where you stand on things, and you're not doing it with good intentions.

>>714465559 (OP)
SO FUCKING HAVE AN OFFLINE MODE FUCK OFF

>>714465559 (OP)
>impossible to make live service and gacha games
Holy based

>>714474354
Services actually need a predefined stop time. That's why 'games as a service' is fraud inherently. They never advertise 'you can use this game for X days and then all further access is halted'

>>714473972
>No government in their right mind would even attempt the latter since that's affecting ownership rights as a whole.
It's already legal in certain cases to decompile and reverse engineer software products to fix issues that hinder compatibility.

>>714473634
>game journos are bending over backwards to suck corpo cock
Color me surprised!
Next you're telling me they're just another marketing arm!

>>714474548
If you can keep playing older games, why would you play newer games? It's financially irresponsible to keep games functional.

>>714466519
Well even if it doesn't do anything we may as well try, it's literally just a signature
How does it affect you if we're apparently doing something pointless... Unless it's not actually pointless at all and you're scared

>>714473634
stop spamming that Chat-GPT nonsense.
Either provide a source (which there are none) or fuck off.

>>714465742
>frognigger
>absolutely retarded
Like pottery. Nobody's stupid enough to actually make a slip like that.

love how Ross is making angry videogame pundits look bad by actually doing SOMETHING about shitty game publishers

>>714474607
>if you can keep watching older movies, why would you watch new movies? It's financially irresponsible to keep movies functional.

>>714473980
Anon everyone knows that's what it actually means. Shitposters and the roach just want to bend what it actually is into "actually this is bad for companies and really bad for indie devs who don't want to release code for a game they killed"

>>714465559 (OP)
Fuck corpos, fuck China, fuck money laundering schemes, make good games or go bankrupt.

>>714465559 (OP)
There's a game 30 years old that needs servers?

>>714467741
Yeh

>>714466994
>>714470936
>>714466994
Wait is his name really MALD VIRUS? lmao wtf??

>>714465559 (OP)
If only that would be the case, would be awesome.

>>714474539
Of course they use the same arguments, the only response to them is to ignore them or falseflag with the
>SKG IS ABOUT KEEPING SERVERS ON PERMANENTLY!
argument.

To this day no one has actually addressed the fact that skg affects ownership rights specifically over server software/binaries.

>>714465559 (OP)
I play Project Sekai sometimes and the thought that it will become unavailable sometime in the future is really fucking depressing. All the gacha and characters aside, the rhythm game itself runs locally. The songs are on your device. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to just play a song without connecting to the servers. Keep your crystals/SSRs/characters/whatever PNGs you think are so valuable, just let me play a rhythm game.

>>714474137
This is who is against the proposal? An unstable manchild like you?

As if I needed more reasons to celebrate your loss.

do I still own physical media?

>>714465559 (OP)
>will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
this is beyond based
this is alkalined

>>714474767
Uhh yeah? Why do you think we put everything onto streaming now, where we can cancel it any time?
It's just good business, why do you have issues with removing obsolete media?

>>714474558
Anon, decomps and reverse engineering doesn't have anything to do with copyright or ownership.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games

AND THAT IS A GOOD THING! (tm)

>>714474438
you can thank russia for pretty much saving all old video games, not as if you care about video games, you are just here for drama
>>714474876
what am i losing? you faggots have 0 impact on my life, in fact, my country is expanding as i type this, my country has grown more than any other since ww2, i have about 40 tib of data on my home server and am in no way shape or form losing any of it cause they have a backup
keep crying nafo troon

>>714474553
predefined stop time will affect sales.
>release game 2010
>game service ends in 20 years
>people in 2020+ who see that will be hesitant to buy game that is closing towards EOS
think of the multimilion company and the poor CEOs, shareholders and investors...

>>714474784
There's a couple of MUDs that started around that time

>>714465559 (OP)
realistically, how long will it take for any actual laws to pass on this? 5 years? 10 years?

kwab ivan went really mad here

>>714474607
I just wish everything wasnt jewed to hell and back

>>714475039
I knew he was a thirdworlder, as usual.

>>714465559 (OP)
It won't pass anyway. Donald Trump will impose more tariffs for unfairly targetting American companies. Europe will be stupid if they want to anger him even more.

>nafo troon loses in ukraine
>nafo troon loses online
>EU PLEASE GOBERN ME HARDER
absolute state of troons lol

>>714474021
yes, and?
a presentation request can still ask you for verifiable credentials it has no business asking of you to log in, whether due to malicious data collection or sheer incompetence

shekelberg could ask you for your entire ID in bulk as proof that you're an adult, or jamal could ask you for your "birthdate" credential doing the math serverside instead of the more appropriate "of legal age" credential
even if shekelberg got a slap on the wrist he could use multiple countries' definition of legal age to better finetune your actual, hidden age

there's no one there to tell requestors which credentials they are justified to ask for, so you're stuck in the same situation as today with google or whatever asking for your phone number out of the blue and holding your account hostage
standardization is shoddy so you'll be seeing a myriad categories of verifiable credentials coming in from issuers, potentially leading to good faith requestors accidentally getting info they shouldn't and deriving what they were after from said info
and there's a million holes that will show up and will need to be patched somehow

>>714474963
>call it unstable
>it happily demonstrates
Keep dancing on command, you useless monkey. Keep representing the true face of this opposition.

>>714475204
Jewry won't disappear until jews do.
Remember that anon.

>>714467741
Does he actually straight up change his voice. He sounds like a fag in old clips, but it's old clips, he could have trained that.

>>714474739
Yeah him and those other 7 replies on deleted post

>>714474506
>Developers giving out server tools was done of their own volition.
Yeah that's not what I was talking about

>>714475427
There's footage of him speaking normally and he sounds predictably normal. He puts on his 'big man mode' voice changer online because he's a loser.
He even tried justifying it as him having a 'second puberty' lmao

>>714470936
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones.
Where the fuck did you get this from? Even americans don't believe this lmao

>>714474903
I bet you prefer the lion king remake to the original

>>714475249
>nafo troon

>>714474891
Billions, Tens of trillons of discs world wide

digifags only have the same 6 images of disc rot

>>714475697
>Better animation quality, updated story/script, higher budget
Objectively better film, hence why we're trying to make all older films 3d and photorealistic.

>>714475692
nice

>>714474553
>Services actually need a predefined stop time.
No, no they don't. A subscription for a service having an end date isn't the same as a service end date.

>>714475754
anon i know you're trolling but man, there's lines you just don't cross

>>714475521
kek
It's really obvious it isn't his natural voice, but if he trained that I could at least respect the effort, trying to pretend otherwise is just pathetic

Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket.

>>714470936
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones
Yeah, about that..

>>714475206
Let's see how many countries are really willing to make deals with you come the 9th.

ass mad

>>714475692
HEIL EVROPA
catbox is kill and I can't add the sound, sad

>>714475870
Whatever does he mean by this?

>>714465559 (OP)
What makes this retard think a new law is going to retroactively apply to games from 30 years ago

>>714475825
Will Smith genie > Robbin Williams genie

>>714475825
>Trolling
Dead fucking serious, when you work in the media business you realize how fucking dangerous older media is to our industry.
Almost every day in the office we talk about how we can persuade people to drop shittier media in favor of better ones.

>>714475851
This
I can't wait till everything physical becomes like this. I hate when kids just buy a ball and play several games like soccer. Their parents should pay a subscription to allow kids play soccer with their friends at a park with a ball they bought. It's so unfair that this isn't monetized yet

>>714475851
Spoken like a true loisence holder.

>>714474242
>muh chillun
Not everyone is pedophile, pedo.

>>714475870
>anime villain one liner
This must go so hard if you're retarded.

>>714475351
oh I know anon. you are preaching to the choir.

>>714465559 (OP)
>impossible to make live service and gacha games

keep killing games

>>714465742
I don't care how big the person in questions ego is, its far more likely its an impersonator.

>>714475887
Wish it had a cage with a sad ferret in it.

>>714465559 (OP)
>so three dorks world wide can play a game from 30 years ago
It's not even retroactive, and games from 30 years ago don't even have this problem

>>714475914
that it still had not understood what there was written in the text of the initiative. if we get what we asked it will be pretty good

>>714465559 (OP)
Good job, guys!

Is it true that if you buy a home in UK you are referred to as a house holder rather than owner, cuz the crown/governments is the real owner

>>714475914
Basically games won't die but it won't be for free.

>>714475521
It's not a voice changer. He just eats his mic, which does that effect to everyone

>>714476113
You can't really 'own' a home in any Western country. Go ahead and stop paying the land taxes or similar fees. See what happens lmao.
At least China is honest with their '99 year lease' stuff.

>>714470936
The absolute market freedom is how you get gambling mechanics in video games, infinite microtransactions and every single anti-consumer practice that's now the norm in the industry.
The one true redpill is that capitalism sucks, and it needs to be tardwrangled.

>>714476113
No? The distinction between owner and holder is usually related to renting.

>>714467751
>Star Control 2
>>714467801
>Descent 2
Truly SKG has the best men in it's paygrade with quality picks like this.

>>714475914
He thinks it'll only lead to lots of malicious compliance, dead games and developers, and even more government meddling.

>>714465559 (OP)
Why are leftists so afraid of the whole initiative?

>>714475914
He means that he will die without having his ego challenged once.

>>714476113
The King/Queen technically owns all the land

>>714476321
No they don't and haven't for centuries.

>>714475914
He thinks the people backing SKG would actually be upset when EA stops making slop and gacha is outlawed in the West.
These people live in weird discord-server echochambers where they post child porn, why did anybody think they had usual mindsets?

>>714475870
Why is he even so assmad about it. There's lots of examples where even full on MMOs can be viably ran on private servers. Making the game still launch even if it fails to call home to check if there's a new battlepass is just not that big of a deal.
And if you are closing the game because it didn't make enough money to keep the servers up than why are you malding about "losses" from 3 still guys playing it offline.

>>714476306
Remember when leftists were anti corporation?
Gosh those were the good old days.
It's one of the most disgusting sell outs in modern political history.

>>714470936
>Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers.
lol

>>714476352
It's funny because gachatards for a decade have wanted some sort of guarantee on an end of service offline version or way to keep playing their games.

>>714475958
post nose

>>714469089
I would also like Bandit Scamco to stop adding shit mtx into Gundam games but this initiative will just make them say how long their servers will last or give server binaries with every paid asset that will let players access all their skins if the dev is too lazy to embed them into the client at the end of the game’s life

>>714476370
because he's got a conflict of interest and takes SKG as a personal affront to live service work he's personally involved in, despite the fact that he isn't even the cum twizzler that would be programming a gaming being given an offline state in the first place so it's literally not on his head
it's the same shit with the Chet crash outs, that idiot also has his toes involved with live service and thus takes it as a personal affront

This initative has given a deep view into the american mind. They are so divided along party lones that they have 0 trust in their government. In their eyes govermnet could never do anything that benefits them because it is very likely that in their livetime post ragen goverments did indeed only fuck them over.

>>714465559 (OP)
What's the downside?

>>714466347
>brings up point about how we have so many bullshit in our industry, that having an EOL to let us play our games indefinity is silly
>>714466548
>says "well, those problems are not problems lol"
>>714467450
>says "actually they're problems, but (insert random analogy that I'm confused on the relevancy of his point)"

Either you're an AI bot or you're so stupid you might as well be an AI bot. Go read a book and learn how to converse more. Out of the many /v/ arguments I read, only few like your captured my imagination, because I have no idea on what your position even is.
Am I boomer for having these problems, am I a whiny faggot, or am I pissy about original Star Wars?

>>714470936
Even if you were 100% right that any and all government regulation makes things worse, you corporate shills always run from the fact that what you are actually saying is
>dont ever try, everything you could do makes it worse
Anyway this pasta is pretty lame.

>>714472030
only insofar as the definition of "highest quality" or "most unique" is tautologically "the best at swindling money"
consumers are mostly not intelligent or discerning for quality in high minded terms but look for addiction and convenience

>>714470936
If goverment did not do anything americans would still be breathing lead and x-raying their feet for fun. Sometimes profit comes at the cost of the consumer why do americans not understand this.

>there are Americans who unironically oppose owning the things they purchased
Jesus.

>>714476575
>0 trust in their government
I kinda get them cause I mean, would you trust Trump or Vance or Elon or Biden or Kamala with anything?

>>714465559 (OP)
>publihers can't make shitty live service games
A nigger can dream.
My only problem with the whole thing is that I don't trust the EU with anything.

>>714465559 (OP)
Good. These games can be ok when we can patch the gacha out ourself.

>>714476724
What was the last bill that passed with 80 or even just 70 in the US? It feels like bipartisanship died long ago.

>>714475692
based if true

>>714472450
I just get mine from Arab butchers. I trust Ahmad more than Kroger.

>>714476853
>It feels like bipartisanship died long ago.

>>714466828
Nah, Nintendo did the mobile shit to make investors shut the fuck up about it. They were never really serious about it.

>>714476713
Just embarrassed millionaires who don't want THE POORS to take what is theirs.

>poor person buys something
>rich person rubs hands because he made money
>poor person wants to keep what they bought
>rich person seethes malds and wants poor person dead
tale old as time

>>714476957
>Nintendo did the mobile shit to make investors shut the fuck up about it.
Well, no, we know that iwata was planning it way before they mentioned it basically he was just being a grubby jew.

>>714472450
I wasn't even aware, it was a real "do americans really" moment for me, there's a method that is clearly superior, but murricans will use the worse one because it's slightly faster and lets them sell you more water instead of meat

>>714465742
To be fair slipping an I inside one of these sort of posts is a common joke here, probably just an anon taking the piss imo

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games
And how is that a bad thing?

>>714468728
damn Pinkie don't cry, you are too sweet for that!

I don't buy the always-online slop garbage that this shit is trying to change, and I probably still won't buy the always-online slop garbage if it does slightly change because of SKG. So ultimately I don't care.

>>714476436
They hated were anti establishment until they became the establishment, then they went full in on the tyranny

>>714465559 (OP)
>GTA 5 online will stay up until 2085
Based.

>>714465559 (OP)
Nice. Total gacha death.

>>714466682
>Its just for the UK not the EU it isn't the EU
France isn't in the EU now?
Oh wait, I'm the only one who actually looked it up

>>714467051
Your constitutional right to view porn?

>>714477716
Country regulations ≠ eu regulations

>>714467085
EU is currently introducing a framework for online age verification
you are fucking retarded if you believe these kike commies won't force that shit upon everything
instead of making shitty petitions to address nonexistent issues in vidya these morons should be making pro-privacy petitions against the fucking EU

>>714478130
I care about stuff that is currently affecting me.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games will make it impossible to make live service and gacha games. What do you have to say for yourself?

>>714472410
Live-service games don't violate anything because they aren't your property. You're granted an indefinite (or limited) right to use them, but they don't become your possession. You're not buying ownership; you're buying access, and that access can be irrevocably revoked at any time, as you're WARNED in the user agreement.

That's the whole point of the term "games-as-a-service." If you don't like the concept of live-service games, just don't spend money on them, and that's it. What's the problem with not using something you don't like? I don't like avocados, so I don't eat them, but I'm not demanding an immediate ban on avocados or that they be made tastier FOR ME at a government level.

It's just rational that if there's a live-service game, you should decide whether to accept those terms or not.

>>714465559 (OP)
Misinformation.
But still, how this would be bad?

>>714478623
>food analogy

>>714470936
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>714465742
I'll bet you believe it when people "accidentally" admit to being animals too.

>>714478623
none of what you said is relevant to anything i said. is said that there exists a negative market externality, and thus a injustice in the system, that cannot be mended by market forces alone.

if you don't think that anything is getting lost, that is your valid opinion. people you sign disagree

>>714465559 (OP)
Dedicated servers are back boys.

>>714475692
Damn, didn't know nazis were this based.

>>714467450
Holy retard

>>714479046
Fucking finally. Titanfall 2 instantly became a better game with Northstar.

>>714468403
except for all the old stuff that no where else is hosting

>>714478623
Or i can get laws to fix it.

>>714465987
I'm actually surprised going into this thread and not having 10 people say that it's great when GaaS dies, even though this board is filled with GaaS players

>>714466347
none of this is a threat to games

>>714465559 (OP)
you're welcome

>>714465559 (OP)
>Gacha games won't be able to run their servers for a year before shutting them down pumping and dumping their fans
I fail to see the issue

>>714478623
The scams in the model you described:
1. License without end date. “We can disable it any time” is a no go, since it allows the developer to disable the license right after the purchase. Any kind of “license to access” should have a guaranteed service period as well as clearly defined clauses for extension or suspension of said license. The fact that game developers don’t want to include this is genuinely not my fucking problem.
2. While the game itself may not be my property, things IN game in fact are my digital property. The characters I created, the gear I obtained, the skins I bought, etc, etc belong to ME. Denying my right to access this property should have a very strong legal basis and this cannot be overridden by TOS or EULA or whatever.
As to warning in user agreement, those can’t override laws, and petition specifically asks to make a law so that the forced revocation of the license cant happen in case the game dies.

>>714465559 (OP)
You welcome.

>>714477716
If it's only for Germany and France it's not an EU thing. They just like to fuck their people over.

>>714475692
wtf i heil hitler now? based?

>>714476713
I'm European and I'm opposed to the EU intervening.
Don't get me wrong, I think you should be able to play the games you bought on an offiline computer for all eternity, but I don't trust the EU not to make things even more horrible than they are in ten different ways.
Because when the EU intervenes, that's what you get.

>>714480142
fuck that's some gold

>>714475956
>how fucking dangerous older media is to our industry.
lmao that's because you can't make a better product.

>>714480354
Got usbc
Got steam refunds
Got bottlecaps
Cope

>>714474607
in fact games should self destruct after 5 minutes and make you pay for them again. you are literally throwing away sales not doing this

>>714480449
You're literally stealing money from American companies, and you think Donald Trump will stand there and do nothing about it?

>Total Count: 1,100,137
nice

>>714465559 (OP)
What's wrong with Megaman XDiving all the dead gacha?

I'm European and I support the EU gassing all people who oppose this legislation. I will personally volunteer to guard the concentration camps where we get rid of the undesirable game developers and their mindless lackeys. We should invade the US and gas all the Americans that oppose this legislation, too.

>>714480354
>I'm european
I wasn't aware that pakistan had become an EU member state...

>>714478623
>If you don't like the concept of live-service games, just don't spend money on them, and that's it.
Nope i'm petitioning to change the law. fuck you and cry more about it

>>714480354
Could you explain how the eu has affected you personally?

>>714465559 (OP)
>it passes
>gacha devs delete all EU accounts because they don't want to do this shit for a market that doesn't matter (compared to china and japan)

I play gacha myself but this would be funny as fuck. Imagine EU whales getting their $20000 accounts deleted, the shit storm would be amazing.

>>714466682
>The EU passes laws that are bad therefore you shouldn't support ones that are good
This is completely irrelevant to the initiative. You're just trying to redirect the conversation

>>714480449
Got infinity niggers/jeets
Got mandatory pride parades
Got gypsies being elevated to a protected class
Got taxed to hell to fund all of this
Got nothing in return

>>714480646
He will seethe about it for few weeks, then throw a tantrum claiming 500-1000-2000-10000% tariffs to start by the next month, then a few weeks later he will post about “reaching the agreement with EU” without anyone from EU contacting him or his team and then “the final agreement” will be something like 10% tariffs for EU and EU keeps 50% tariffs for US, that’s about it. Will be cancelled in 3 years by the new US president because muh predecessors

>>714480896
>Imagine EU whales getting their $20000 accounts deleted

Actually it would be delicious, as the gacha jews would have to refund said 20k.

Also why do people defend gacha jews, honestly whats the point, are they masochists? Shit is on the same level as (illegal) casinos.

>>714465559 (OP)
Good.

>>714480646
mush brained fatty just put themselves into 3 trillion USD more debt. gonna have his own problems at home when the immigrant death camps start up

>>714480951
none of this is true, schlomo.
Either provide sources or fuck off with your headcanons.

>>714465559 (OP)
good.

>>714480951
I didn’t
I didn’t
I didn’t
Faggots steal my taxes, whats new, thats why I work with b2b contract
Got consumer rights in return

>>714481110
>refund
Ohnonono anon didn't you read the ToS?

>>714481258
Can’t override law, and skins are digital property by law, bozo. Yes refunds, hehe

>>714465742
That's just ridiculous, why would I post on this website when I could be using the superior Blizzard forums

>>714481324
There is 0 precedent for a gacha going EOS and people getting all their purchases they ever made refunded. It doesn't work like that anon.

>>714465559 (OP)
>Gacha Game EoS
>Release game as a non-online .exe that let's you view your units and skins or whatever
>If they're based, release a non-online.exe with unlimited resources that let's you play through the story of the game at your leisure
I know Destiny Child and Animal Crossing Pocket Camp did the former, it's not impossible to do this stuff at all.

>>714475870
>with respect
>respect
I doubt he even knows what that word means

>>714481471
Before any precedent there was 0 precedent

>>714481541
Sorry mr whale but your money is gone forever.

>>714475692
wtf I'm signing right now

>>714481665
Its a drop in the bucket

>>714481665
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PNGs!

>>714470936
Here's a popular opinion
You lost, now go rope you ferret fucker

>>714481234
>>714481161
Are you guys just pretending that there aren't an insane amount of jeets and nogs in literally every town now? The EU is pretty clear with the drive to import as much of the 3rd world as possible.

India getting access to internet was humanity's greatest mistake

>>714481471
It actually does work like that. It was just never enforced properly.
And the EU is in the process of changing that.

>>714482738
Still the whitest place on earth. If you think europe is overrun by foreigners, try visiting america.

>>714482738
>Are you guys just pretending that there aren't an insane amount of jeets and nogs in literally every town now?
the amount here is around 1 out of 50, and they're usually just in the streets, very VERY rarely inside public buildings, since they're dirt-poor and lack the ability to get a fucking job to self sustain.
Also, the ones staying in the street as a sort of ghetto-nigger a-la american are looked down even from well adjusted black families.

>>714482936
>it does work like that but no one ever won a case
So it doesn't work like that

>>714483353
Cite cases that consumers lost then.