This was tested in the UK while it was still part of the EU:
https://www.williamfry.com/knowledge/when-a-perpetual-licence-does-not-mean-what-it-says-on-the-tin/
> The Court stated that “perpetual” can carry different shades of meaning, it can mean “never ending” (i.e. incapable of being brought to an end) or “operating without limit of time” (i.e. the licence was of indefinite duration, but subject to contractual provisions governing termination). The Court held that the latter interpretation was applicable.
> The Court held that the latter interpretation was applicable.
You can be legally sold a licence in perpetuity that operates without limit of time, but your access can be revoked as long as the terms that were agreed to allow for it. This means that games ending service and no longer being playable is perfectly legal

This petition is dead in the water.

>>714482861 (OP)
Bongland provides the worst excesses of over and under regulation

>>714482861 (OP)
>licence
Different thing , bro

so this was for nothing?

>>714482861 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714482861 (OP)
Too bad it's not about trying it under current law, it's citizens saying it's unfair to the customer and they want change

>>714482861 (OP)
Oh good. You're back. Don't mind the Hackles.

You cannot consent to theft. A seller declaring take-back for no other reason then they don't want to support the product anymore is theft.
Any contract that you consent to theft within is null and void. At best, the license and the software provided must be upheld by the seller. At worst, you must be given a full refund.

No, I do not care that some no-name judge in the UK does not understand contract law. One idiot does not write the law.

>>714483059
Why is a tiny indie studio making a live service game and why are they assuming that doing that won't get cheaper as the tech and methods to do it get more common
They're basically butthurt they'd have to pay a one time expertise creating fee for making a shitty game.

>>714482861 (OP)
>b-but the law says
You missed the point entirely, shill.

I will NOT support #StopKillingGames!

>>714483183
I might be at the mercy of the post timer. Have patience.

>>714483059
>we can't pump and dump like the big boys!

Oh fuck off, nobody wants indie liveservice games

Who gives a shit? It already got enough "signs" so it's basically over until something (won't) happen in a few years.
Quit making 3000 gay reddit threads about it, there's literally no point anymore even from an anti's perspective. Talk about a game you actually like instead of The Crew or Anthem.

>Buy something that lasts forever
>Well not forever just until some random guy takes it from you, could be tomorrow
Sounds like maybe some kind of initiative should be taken to change this law to something that isn't fucking retarded and openly corrupt.

>>714483325

>>714483059
this is literally what Pirate said was the problem with SKG, yet he was dogpiled and shit on for almost a full year after pointing it out

the SKG bandwagon crowd is in for an extremely rude awakening if any actual legislation is passed as a result of their autism, indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore, it would be a net loss, AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything

>>714483305
/v/tards be like
>it’s already illegal under EU directive blah blah blah despite no one ever getting in trouble
>but we need this new law to make
it super duper mega ultra illegal

>>714483320
not the same shit, spammer

>>714483352
>Buy something that lasts forever
>that lasts forever
citation needed

>>714483401

>>714483419
Ah yes. We are famously just drowning in indie live service slop.

>>714483476

>>714483440
SGKfags having 3+ threads up at a time all week and having the balls to call everyone else spammers and shills 24/7 is hilarious

>>714483552
This so much lmao

>Invent perpetual motion machine
>Some absolute faggot comes by and destroys it
>Erm actually it wasn't perpetual because I was able to destroy it

>>714483059
>>714482861 (OP)
>>714483320
>>714483552
stop fucking lying and spamming you contrarian piece of shit samefag
kill yourself

>>714483460
>perpetual - adjective
>1. continuing forever : everlasting
>2. occurring continually : constant

>>714483550

>>714483426
Kek EUsisters really think like this

>>714483419
How many indie games actually rely on creating always online games and don't have offline modes or some kind of game hosting that may as well work with simple peer-to-peer?
Why are we assuminh that big indie multiplayer stuff like Proton and Unity won't redevelop themselves to accomodate the plenty of devs wanting to access the EU market, making taking the steps much easier after a short bout of pain at best?
Plenty of devs who support SKG, indies and AAA alike, already acknowledged the above. Only shitters who want to defraud their customers complain, and the only game that is technically incapable of being offlined because it needs a datacenter to run is fucking Microsoft Flight Simulator.

>>714482861 (OP)
Reminder
Capcom already done it before
So why cant other Western Company do it then?

>>714482861 (OP)
dense motherfuckers like you dont understand that this among others is the reason for the whole debacle.
>you cheated so we revoke your license
is not the same as
>we want to release the remaster so we will kill the prime version of the game.

>>714482861 (OP)
Man no wonder the UK was ejected. Are they always this retarded? How has the IRA not just killed all bongs?

>>714483059
>hide behind trannies to further youe zionist capitalist agenda

FUCKING HELL

>>714483748
Even if they're revoking license for cheating they're still stealing my money so at worst they should just force me offline or onto a private server

>>714483615
Where was the "lasts forever" part ever stipulated aside from in your autistic collectorfag mind?

>>714483817
Not the first time it's happened. or second.

>>714483059
Name literally ONE always-online live service game by an indie developer
I'm not kidding. Name literally one of them.

>>714483718
Also, for the case where you need server
Did anyone here forgot Garena used to be the app where you can play offline game online?

>>714483817
That's been going on since 2008, anon. Ever since Occupy got occupied by idpol dumbasses.

>>714483868
>inb4 some literal who mobile game
This anon means one on steam.

>>714482861 (OP)
>You can be legally sold a licence in perpetuity that operates without limit of time, but your access can be revoked as long as the terms that were agreed to allow for it.
>but your access can be revoked as long as the terms that were agreed to allow for it.
>terms that were agreed to allow for it.
>terms themselves being anti-consumer
the case itself is the reason for SKG

>>714483717
you people just absolutely refuse to understand that the way this is worded, it doesn't just target live service games, it applies to any game with any online functionality, and the massive AAA publishers aren't going to play ball

based on what you people want, Nintendo would be required to release millions of dollars of R&D in the form of source code and server binaries to the public when they shut down the servers for an old mario kart

in what fucking world do you think Nintendo would consider that for even a fraction of a second? their solution will be to release an EU version of mario kart that has absolutely zero online so they can skirt the law

that's just one example, how can you people not see the problem this is going to cause down the line?

>>714483859
Occupy Wallstreet turned into homosexuals sodomizing in latex on parades

How are **they** so crafty??

>>714483748
you’re right
it’s not the same
HOWEVER
the license terms, that you agreed to don’t forget, state that they can terminate the service or revoke your license at any time for any reason with reasonable notice (usually 30 days)

>>714483868
warframe was that but their studio grew pretty quickly
deep rock galactic but they are in maintenance ever since they started making a rougelike

>>714483954
That's theft. It's illegal.
You can't consent to crimes being done against you.
The EULA is null and void. Either honor the deal and forbid the revocation or issue a full refund and negotiate a new, and legal, EULA.

>>714483817
this is why i hate liberals more than conservatives

>>714482861 (OP)
What does case-law have to do with instating new law retard? You realize many laws are formed or amended as a result of bad court outcomes, right? When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the government could take private land and then give it to a private developer under eminent domain, the decision was so unpopular that 47 states strengthened their eminent domain laws, 12 states amended their state constitutions to stop eminent domain from benefitting private parties, and 11 state supreme courts have either completely rejected the supreme court's decision outright or strengthened the protection of private property.

>>714482861 (OP)
I hate for-profit software licenses with a passion. The "free" models for them are often predatory as fuck.

>>714484078
>deep rock galactic
It's peer-to-peer multiplayer, there are no dedicated servers, you host or join games. The server code is built into the client.

SKG is about asking for better termination terms, but denying that termination terms exist
nobody is asking devs to host game for ever

>>714483059
>regulation only helps big companies
>deregulation only helps big companies
how can both be true

>>714484078
>deep rock galactic
Literally not a problem, its peer to peer and has no central servers

>>714483868
I think PoE was indie.

>>714484478
SKG is about making it illegal to design games that don't have a plan for continued functionality when the company ceases operating them, not better termination terms
You might be confused about advocates expressing desire for more obvious termination terms, which is more of a backup wish if the initiative fails

>>714483835
i am all for servers for cheaters. it is a great solution to the issue
>>714483954
yeah. blizzards terms of service states that they can revoke their license for any or without reason. shit like that we need to abolish and make against the law.

>>714484916
>shit like that we need to abolish and make against the law.
It already is. You just need to have enforcement agencies that have a spine.

>>714484617
>>714484078
So the solution should be to make indie games rely on peer to peer rather than servers?
Doesn't seem like there is any downside unless you make competetive multiplayer and if you are doing that as an indie you must be brave and retarded

If Notch can make dedicated servers for minecraft why can't some AAA company for their online multiplayer game? Especially since it would just be a requirement from the start of development.

>>714482861 (OP)
>it was determined it was within the law
That's why they're trying to change it, dumbass.

>>714485146
>indie games rely on peer to peer rather than servers?
warframe is still mostly peer to peer, while I can't say much about their infrastructure, in general gameplay players host sessions.
If you have a shitty host then the game becomes unplayable, but if you're the host then you'll have a great time.

>>714482861 (OP)
...Did you not realize that the point of SKG is to CHANGE the law?

>>714485001
Are you some kinda of loonix troon?

Should I install mint like pewdiepie did?

>>714483932
>Nintendo would be required to release millions of dollars of R&D in the form of source code and server binaries to the public when they shut down the servers for an old mario kart
why? mario kart works locally

>>714485362
but laws only change to become worse for regular people...

>>714483839
What part of perpetual in perpetual license don't you understand?

>>714484207
How would they make money with free software? Pay for assets?

>>714485439
Oh well. Just kill yourself then, no point in living anyway.

>>714484124
what was his endgame

>>714485295
Both DRG and warframe seem like perfectly fine games that could be played offline with the exception of live-service stuff like weekly resets/clans

retards expect so much, all that petition will do, if anything, if create another mandatory warning. You aren't getting the keys to the kingdom plebs

>>714483401
Different times. Zoomers can't even read.

>>714485146
>So the solution should be to make indie games rely on peer to peer rather than servers?
Its an ideal for what AAA live service games do after they don't want to maintain central servers as well, it has its flaws such as performance being heavily reliant on hosts connection, as such might prove to be a problem in larger games, but that rarely happens nowadays in my experience
Might impact competetive scene, but by the time devs decide to shutter central server its probably mainly dead anyways

>Hackles
Well that's a blast from the past.

>>714485609
absolutely, but warframe would need some restructuring as some of its systems connect to online instances.

>>714482861 (OP)
Hello sanjeesh your brother has been hit by a train and is in hospital

>>714485439

>>714482861 (OP)
>UK case law
Not EU

>>714482861 (OP)
>British say that...
Britniggers need not reply

>>714485846
i didn't mean it like that, i meant that people are so buckbroken they implicitly assume that the law exists to fuck them over.

>>714482861 (OP)
Fuck off faggot
If a Pixar's employee comes to your house and replaces your Toy Story movie with an empty disc that doesn't mean it's okay just because they've said so

>>714485940
Yep the brits of New Bangladesh can die off for all I care.

Irish, don't let them in.

>>714485146
Old games also had a nice solution, it was called LAN

>>714485739
Warframe has an option to limit the ping of the host it tries to match you with so you would NEVER get in a game with ping above a certain threshold
It works very well unless the hosts connection gets strained mid match
The game however always struggled with maintaining progress after host disconnects and usually loose gameplay realted stacks, which is still so much better than what Nighreign currently has where it just kicks you to title screen.

>>714482861 (OP)
"I want to change the law"
> Nooooo you can't change the law because the law currently doesn't say the thing you want it to say
"Yes it doesn't say the thing I want it to say, that's why I want to change it"
> NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE LAW. STOP TRYING. STOP TRYING PLEASE

>>714482861 (OP)
oh god I'm deBOONKING

>>714482861 (OP)
No, that's the entire fucking reason. Stop killing games wants it to not be the latter.

To have contractual reason to not kill it. To release a patch, a code, any thing that will keep it Als playable as possible.

Petition to change.
Hur dur, look its the current situation.

Are you fucking going to a roadwork crew all Hur dur you can't build a new road. There is already one!

UK has terrible legal system, see: johnny depp UK trial.
UK courts let rapists get away with it, and then arrest the victims for saying something bad about the rapist

>>714483320
This anon will win and the press will run the story over and over again until it is the truth
astroturfing ALWAYS wins

>>714486258
If the law didn't change yesterday, how would you feel?

>>714483658
Funny reading these now and seeing how the mouse was the one ahead of the curve.
>imagine having a machine so shit it can't even open pdf

>>714483426
>i only care about legal mumbo jumbo now when it suits my argument

>>714484791
asking devs to leave games in a working state is in a sense a requirement on termination terms
for example if they're committed to a 3 year service unless the Pope changes twice, those are termination terms
but requiring leaving the game in a playable state for it's single player is also part of the termination terms

>>714482861 (OP)
>Here is a petition how we want to change a law
>IT IS AGAINST THIS LAW WE WANT TO CHANGE
Also
>UK
lol

>>714482861 (OP)
Too bad britbong:
> the CJEU finds that the electronic supply of computer software at a price, and provided it comes with a perpetual license to use that software, can be covered by the concept of “sale of goods” within the meaning of Directive 86/653.
>
> -- https://www.cuatrecasas.com/en/global/intellectual-property/art/the-cjeu-revisits-usedsoft-does-the-online-supply-of-software-with-a-perpetual-license-equate-to-sale-of-goods

Verdict: Yes. It's sale of goods.
Eat fucking crow.

>>714486402
I just find it incredibly funny to see the context shift from this being a left-leaning movement into an alt-right movement.
Trannies will wake up tomorrow morning hating SKG.

>>714483426
>you cant do that its illegal
The ECI registration process is not change.org where you can press a button and shit out 20 petitions at once. They have to actually agree that there's a problem at hand before the initiative gets registered... Which wouldnt fly if it was illegal in the first place.

>>714482861 (OP)
whatever, but stop spamming about this fucking topic

>>714486642
It's just a roadmap/plan, not a termination term
The term is that games must have a roadmap for sunsetting the game without causing it to become nonfunctional (e.g. by releasing server binaries)

>>714482861 (OP)
The disgusting behavior of the SKG community is exactly why I no longer support it. It's just fucking gamergate at this point.

>>714483426
>but we need this new law to make
Nobody (smart) said that.
It'd actually be preferable if it's just a matter of the EU clarifying the proper interpretation of the existing legislative package and possibly reinforcing enforcement of it. Because in that case it all WOULD be retroactive and also affect all past purchases...

>>714487029
>It seems you are expressing frustration with the behavior of a particular community and drawing a comparison to Gamergate
.
If you are referring to the "Stop Killing Games" (SKG) movement, it is a consumer initiative aimed at preserving video games that become unplayable when their servers are shut down. While the movement has gained popularity and support, it has also faced some criticism regarding its scope and potential impact on game development.
If your concerns are related to negative or toxic behavior within the SKG community, it's understandable to feel frustrated and choose to withdraw your support.
The comparison to Gamergate is a serious accusation. Gamergate was a controversial and misogynistic online harassment campaign that targeted women in the video game industry and was fueled by discussions of sexism in gaming. There is no information in the search results that directly associates the Stop Killing Games initiative with Gamergate or any similar harassment campaigns. The SKG movement's stated goal is focused on consumer rights and game preservation.
If you are experiencing or witnessing harassment or other harmful behaviors within a community, it's important to report it through the appropriate channels and prioritize your own safety and well-being.

>>714482861 (OP)
Europe is Civil law, not case "law".

>>714482861 (OP)
Only MMO subscriptions are ever marketed as services.
If developers were required to put "this game will cease to function after X date" it would be different. If I am paying for a service they can't justify a $70 price tag and they know it.

>>714482861 (OP)
>in the UK
Ok but what about in an actual country?

>>714483932
>Nintendo would be required to release millions of dollars of R&D in the form of source code and server binaries to the public when they shut down the servers for an old mario kart
They already do this with Switch SDK for people who want to port games to their platform?

>>714483059
Nooo, my dream of one man live service operation is in ruins!!!!

>>714487290
Can we make llm posting a bannable offense?

>>714486951
it's not a roadmap plan, there is no requirement to plan any road in SKS, the only concern is the destination
if a game dev wants to not plan how they're going to sunset their game, nobody is going to stop them
if they have to scramble to figure out how they'll leave the game in a playable state one month before their planned shutdown, that's not a matter for the law to concern itself with
SKG is a termination terms amendment in essence, one that you have by default

>>714484078
DRG doesn't even require to be online to function you nonce

>>714483059
>Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous

>>714487290
Thanks bing. SKG is still a movement hijacked by gamergaters.

>>714482861 (OP)
Counter-argument this was effectively overturned while the UK was still part of the EU as EU this EU ruling supercedes the UK ruling.

>>714482861 (OP)
you don't sell people something labeled perpetual and then go to their homes to repossess it at your whim you fucking kike

>>714487557
By how lol
SKG has no titties to get mad at

>>714483932
>based on what you people want, Nintendo would be required to release millions of dollars of R&D in the form of source code and server binaries to the public when they shut down the servers for an old mario kart
Good.

>>714487617
Well well well...

>Scroll through youtube's "stop killing games"
>See videos that disagree with it
>"Oh cool, a different perspective maybe" (Because I HAVE come across disagreement videos I can see valid points in)
>Either the same takes as Pirate
>Or with descriptions like "This lunatic is actually looking to kill the games industry"
Where do these people come from?

>>714485586
>what was his endgame
Literally a Black ethno-state.

>>714487691
Game journalists are making it another gamergate mark my fucking words
Asmongold is now the face of the movement

>>714487842
>it was real in my mind!
Oh, okay.

>>714483835
Forza horizon does that, if you get caught cheating or using a pirated version, you can still play, but offline.

>>714487812
The US.

>>714487617
Also this screenshot was stolen from Accursed Farms Live service is a fraud video. Six years ago and responds to all of the "You don't own anything" shit. It's shilling an E-celeb video but excuse it this time because OP is anti-ownership. And probably knew about the case in pic but left it out to be deceitful.

>>714483932
>based on what you people want, Nintendo would be required to release millions of dollars of R&D in the form of source code and server binaries to the public when they shut down the servers for an old mario kart
Do you know multiplayer games also need a server to run? Make it public (access) and problem done. But of course you are so retarded that only parrot the same debunked "facts"

>>714483932
AHH NO NOT THE AAA SLOP PLEASE ANYTHING BUT THE AAA SLOP AAAAAAHHHHHH

>>714482861 (OP)
and remember kids, OP is always a faggot

>>714483932
tell me why they should get away with crippling my game after EoS
they are perfectly capable of making games work after EoS. just look at games like Diablo II, Terraria, Starcraft, Age of Empires II, etc.
the reality is they make games with expiration dates to steal your money

>>714483059
So how did they test their game before they acquired external server hosting?
They tested it with LAN or locally hosted server solutions.

They can do that again. Making a game that doesn't comply with SKG is genuinely easier than making one that doesn't. Online games comply with SKG by default, and it takes extra steps to make it not comply.
An indie dev has no reason whatsoever to not allow LAN or locally hosted server solutions.

>>714488339
That's on you Bub. It clearly stated on page 746 of eula that they have they right the to break you knees and take all your belongings.
Should have thought of that before selling your soul.

>>714482861 (OP)
>Although this case was decided upon its particular facts, it illustrates the need for clear and unambiguous drafting of agreements and amendments, particularly regarding related agreements. It is recommended that the intention of the parties is explicitly stated rather than to leave any margin for an alternative interpretation being adopted by the Courts.
>particular facts, it illustrates the need for clear and unambiguous drafting of agreements and amendments, particularly regarding related agreements
Corpos will NEVER comply with this part though.

>>714487986
To note while the US has had inconstant ruling the supreme court upheld the perpetual license equals ownership thing. This wasn't in reference to digital games but the precedent is there and this is really just a similar situation to the UK 2010 vs EU 2012 ruling. Where the higher court will affirm ownership rights and supersede lower courts.Also screenshot stolen from Accursed Farms.

>>714483932
>Nintendo would be required to release millions of dollars of R&D in the form of source code and server binaries
No just patchvit to include a scaled down local or LAN multiplayer component, like they usual code in for testing

I feel like I've stepped into a time loop I swear I saw these exact same posts and responses last week.

Why are you opposed to this? Seriously suspicious. You aren't a paid actor coming here in bad faith to proselytize your bosses' agenda, are you?

>>714482861 (OP)
>because the bongs did something years ago (but never pushed it onto the european stage) the rest of the continent must accept it even years after they left
Continental law does not work by precedent.

>>714489125
I doubt anyone posted even a snippet of court docs last time because that would be end thread,

>Make up a imaginary scenario
>Fear mongering
This is why you shouldn't support this movement.

>>714482861 (OP)
even if it gets shut down in the UK there's still the rest of europe that has different laws you retarded nigger!

>>714483017
Probably, but in theory a debate might open up some other avenue that does accomplish something. Like maybe right to repair legislation should be extended to formally cover exemptions for personal fair use when trying to restore functionality to a service or game (i.e. if someone develops a private server for a game service that is no longer being offered, then a company shouldn't be able to shut it down unless there is clear infringement, such as stolen code being used).

>>714482861 (OP)
Yes, you can commit this wrongdoing because there is no law against it yet.
Basically everything that is not in the bible was legal once until it was perceived to be harmful against the society and turned into a crime.
Cocaine was legal.

Shills really have been in full force today.

They should’ve framed it as forcing developers to provision for end of service before releasing an online game.
For example, Halo 3 would be compliant because while the servers are now offline, you can still play the multiplayer mode using LAN. While something like The Crew wouldn’t be compliant because you can’t play it at all.

>>714483017
More or less.
Unless someone wants to start a stinky it will be tosses aside with "refer to previous case. All agree? Moving on to next matter...."
Parliament is lazy, and unless there is something substancial to any given agenda (see pic for reference) these "citizen topics" are often tossed aside very quickly.

Most topics are handled in less than a minute.

>>714489125
No exactly. Last week it was
>it's over kekekekek you are never gonna reach one million
Then it became
>like 300k votes are bots, actually half of the votes are bots it's never gonna reach the threshold legitimately
And now it's
>actually nothing will happen lol better pack your bags and leave the multi billion dollar companies alone

>Yes anon, games are an $80 temporal license because the box the company wrote says so.
This is retarded and shouldn't hold up against the law.
Imagine Apple selling you a phone and telling you on the box that the phone is a $1000 temporal license, so because they technically own the product, they are just allowed whenever they want to send someone to your home to take the phone, or send a bricking update to make it unusable.
>Sorry bro, that phone is a temporal license, sending my bricking update so you can't use it anymore, brrrrr. Buy the new one by the way.
Fuck off, if you want to call it license instead of game call it that, but I bought that license and by the nature of the product I should be able to use it always unless the disc breaks or something like that. It's a full product, not a service.

>>714482861 (OP)
i buy, i own, simple as

>>714489727
UK thing might get more attention now that EU has to take it in consideration too. Honestly it depends on if UK wants to show themselves as forerunners, or do they want to wait until EU pushes it into fruition anyway.

>>714483817
It's almost like that's the entire reason (((they))) support them

>>714489981
>This is retarded and shouldn't hold up against the law.
It literally doesn't. Anyone claiming is does is very likely aware they're spreading misinformation

>>714489582
They won't bot the petition anymore because they don't wanna go to prison over the Mana Gem guy so they reverted to this.

>>714483059
If you said this to me in real life I'd tag you for real.

>>714490281
come at me fucking loser.

>>714489582
you’re right, Pajeet bot farms have been working overtime in support of SKG

>>714490240
I think the real reason is just that information about potential botting has spread so people are to alert for it to stop signatures anymore

>>714489981
sorry bro, you bought the iphone, but you don’t have an infinite right to use the software. the hardware is yours, but your access to iOS can be revoked at any time, as it is separately licensed. Apple does this already, they can remotely brick any iPhone if you break their terms severely enough. Guess what? No one has ever won against them in court for this.

>>714482861 (OP)
>Brit talking about loicenses

>>714489732
https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/
The bots are a dangerous issue. Right now the rate does not drop below 4600 signatures/hour, and the live signature graph is an uncanny straight line. pirat is intentionally trying to fuck the numbers for everyone and we need to double down on the campaigning to make up for it. I am genuinely concerned that our best bet may be the EU noticing the interference and calling an exception if we fail, but fat fucking chance of that. And people are still celebrating even though we haven't crossed the safe threshold for mistaken signatures nevermind bots.

>SKG is already over 1,1 million
There is a good chance that it becomes the most signed petition in the history of EU, I think 1,7 million is the current record.

>>714486690
It is a sale of a good, but it is under certain terms where access to the good can be removed under the terms of the agreement that both parties adhered to and signed on for.

>>714487348
retard

>>714490692
thing is that at this point it wont even matter. SKG has got enough attention that EU might take it into consideration even if it is revealed that 90% are bots, mostly because it is an consumer protection thing and EU is quite hawkish about those.

>>714489270
>thread up 2 hours
looks like it’s videogames

>>714490807
It's been tested in court. Agreements don't matter. The Copyright holder doesn't have the right to your good that you purchased. They sold that away when they put it on sell. So they're EULA can eat shit.

>>714490692
are they going to check 1.2 million addresses or something?

>>714490692
Both pewdy and musk endorsed this bro, pew alone have 110 million subscribers, eu has 500 million people. By the end of this we will probably have between 2 to 5 million. These are bots and are completely realistic numbers if gets shilled enough to gaming fanbase

>>714491175
>put in on sell
>Agreements don’t matter
Indian opinions do not matter. Imagine thinking that contract law and agreements don’t matter because it’s muh bideogaymes.

>>714486027
They have a point. Look at the EU cookie law. It seemed to be protecting people browsing the web from getting tracked. But websites and ad companies made the cookie popups so annoying that people not only click "yes, please track me" to get rid of it but also refrain from deleting cookies as that means that the annoying popup will come back.
A company can always turn a consumer protection law into something that benefits themselves unless the law is both extremely carefully written, and not sabotaged by lobbyists. So, good luck getting an EU law like that.

>>714491301
Musk and Pewdiepie are hated by leftists. You really don't want them to be the face of SKG.

>>714491245
Most of the can probably be automated. Just gotta compare the names vs a master list. Most countries have a unique identifier too which would make duplicate entries easy to weed out.
If Jason schrimblo isn't on the master list I doubt his name is counted.

>>714482861 (OP)
UK runs on the common law meme system for inbreds. Nobody in continental Evropa cares about a judicial ruling on a case, if the parliament passes a law, it becomes the law

>>714491334
See >>714487617 and >>714488619
They literally can't, it's upheld by court precedent.

>>714491406
lefties don't play videogames anyway

>>714490636
That has to end

>>714483059
>“we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”
THEN GO FLIP FUCKING BURGERS AT MCDONALDS YOU FUCKING ROTTEN KIKE SCUMBAG
CAN'T AFFORD POST-LAUNCH SUPPORT??? NO FUCKING LAUNCH FOR YOU! FUCK YOU! DIE!

>>714491406
How is this relevant to the bill? This show that BOTH sides would vote on it. If the bill passes, there is no face other than our winning smugs. The only people against this are jews and companies

>>714491406
Good, if you haven't noticed, LGBTQIA+ is currently imploding precisely because of those people.

>>714491063
You can't count on lazy bureaucrats to just decide they will handle this small entertainment issue when they can go do something related to the economy instead. People have to take the Rosspill and just keep going, keep campaigning because unless they are forced to have it put in their face, they are probably going to focus on something else.

>>714491301
It was a retweet and a comment, things people will easily gloss over, and both English speakers.

>>714491529
first one is just about resale, you can resell what the fuck you want, just make sure to tell your customers you’re selling them a license to a dead program.
Second one is also about resale.
This has absolutely nothing to do with perpetual licensing, just resale.

>>714491406
And SKG was hated by leftists too. What do you think is the political affiiliation of Jason "Thor" Hall? I'll give you a couple minutes to think on where on the political compass a gay furry with a history of "commissioning furry porn from a mid-teen girl and then visiting her personally" is going to be.

>>714491406
Bipartisanship. Some people are really afraid of this. I wonder why?

>>714491663
>You can't count on lazy bureaucrats to just decide they will handle this small entertainment issue when they can go do something related to the economy instead.
You are talking about bureaucrats who spend most of their time discussing laws about shapes of bananas. Any entertaining issue is a sure thing if it seems popular enough.
>People have to take the Rosspill and just keep going, keep campaigning because unless they are forced to have it put in their face, they are probably going to focus on something else.
Yeah, I'm not arguing against keeping the movement going. Just saying that the thing might go through even in the worst case of scenario.

>>714491814
Considering Grindr crashes everytime the RNC comes to town, Republican.

>>714483594
pedo

>>714483059
indies can't even afford a stable liveservice to begin with, it won't affect what barely exists on the large scale

>>714483017
30 year old bong here. I seriously can't recall the last time one of these government petitions changed anything.

It's a nice idea, but seemingly as effective as a change.org petition. I say that as someone who signed stop killing games and even made my own petition on the once.

>>714488503
>Bub.
This faggot is actually larping as Maldavius. Fucking cringe.

>>714491976
He didn't meet her on Grindr.

>>714492040
Most indie games actually offer dedicated server hosting, so they are completely unaffected by SKG.. There's very few of them with a multiplayer component that don't enable their users to create dedicated servers.

>>714491782
>first one is just about resale, you can resell what the fuck you want
Why? Why can you resell a license if you don't own it? Wouldn't that be profiting off of a copyright you don't own?

>>714490636
No, that makes sense an doesn't really have a place in what I'm talking about.
Sure, if they are petty enough they could argue that the only thing you are buying is the hardware itself, but that's not really what I'm talking about since even if they do that the hardware still works. And as long as that's true you can still use it.
You could make an OS yourself and make it usable, or more easily, you could just use one another person made.
In the case of games they are render unusable precisely the thing you paid money for, which is the software.

>>714488339
>tell me why they should get away with crippling my game after EoS
it’s in the license agreement you had the opportunity to reject, and you chose to accept.

Pro-SKG thread here brahs >>714491580

>>714483320
based
all our LGBTQIA+ sisters should do a mass exodus from fanmade servers and restorations as a show of solidarity

Just leaving it here.

>>714491619
It's literally just uploading the file their running on their computer. It's the sort of shit you can tell the janitor to do.

>>714492268
>Imagine Apple selling you a phone and telling you on the box that the phone is a $1000 temporal license, so because they technically own the product, they are just allowed whenever they want to send someone to your home to take the phone, or send a bricking update to make it unusable.
> that makes sense an doesn't really have a place in what I'm talking about.
I am glad we agree that it makes sense but you saying it doesn’t make sense when it is the example you provided is rather concerning.

>>714482861 (OP)
The rest of the EU doesn't operate under Anglo law system albeit

>>714492336

>>714492268
Binland strong

>>714492279
My friend clicked that button, I have never even seen the licence agreement or agreed on it.

>>714492462
>Paid attention to finlan by posting thanks
Many thanks good goyim

>>714492502
>I have never even seen the licence agreement or agreed on it.
but you used the software, so you are now guilty of intellectual property theft, as use of the software is mandated only by acceptance of the agreement.
Enjoy your fines buddy.

>>714492336
Based

>>714492462
Cringe

>>714483059
>extra burden it will place on the indie developer community
>TemTem, the most notable indie liveservice, couldn't even afford a stable server and trooned out
Sure, bro.

>>714482861 (OP)
SKG is not a legal case, it's a legislative initiative

>>714482861 (OP)
>petition to change the law so that X is illegal
>"but the law says that currently, X is legal!"

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU DIDN'T EAT BREAKFAST THIS MORNING

>>714483017
The first response was deemed unsuitable, and the second was literally just the same thing, so was likely written by the same person in that department.
IIRC it was just around election time too, so nobody in that department gave a fuck. Sad, but our gov is completely toothless except for censorship now.

>>714492692
but I didn't eat breakfast this morning

>>714492639
No, I bought the thing, but my friend did all installing.
So I never agreed on anything but still own the product that you are now trying to steal

>>714489405
>such as stolen code being used
The EU doesn't have code patents, so they can't be stolen under any copyright law, code patents are only applicable to the US.
Plus, if there's only a single way to code something in a certain language, it isn't legally able to be patented as per google vs oracle case proved.

SKG brainlets literally will argue shit like Nintendo aren’t allowed to brick your switch if you mod it because
>b-but i bought it
>i-its mine
>c-companies can’t just take it away
tough luck bitch, obey the license agreement or fuck off

>>714482861 (OP)
you want to legalize weed? well tough luck bucko, weed is illegal! didn't see that coming, did ya?

>>714483059
Indies can't even afford live services anyway, you kill their studios regardless whether you approve the innitiative or not.

>>714492336
>Finland is almost 500% white

>>714483059
>already putting their social weapons to work
Like pottery

>>714492881
That's actually a thing, Ninty has to refund the consoles they brick in europe

>>714492410
Well it was really more for the sake of your argument and Apple's argument, technically I guess it could make sense although I'd have to look more into that.
Don't get me wrong, for me that's is bullshit since the phone you are buying comes with iOS and it's part of what you are paying money for and what they are marketing it with. I don't really think they could argue that the only thing you are buying is the piece of hardware.
Also, the phone is made to be run by it and expecting someone to create and OS should be legally unrealistic.
Legally, breaking iOS should have the same effect as directly making unusable the hardware you bought, which I don't think it's legal.

>>714482861 (OP)
>"""debunked"""
lol, no, shill
kys

>>714492336
Beyond based

>>714492757
>Even if you didn’t explicitly read or agree to a license, using software or a service under a clickwrap or shrinkwrap arrangement can count as acceptance—provided you had a reasonable opportunity to review them.
ProCD, Inc. v. Zeidenberg (7thCir., 1996)
Feldman v. Google (E.D.Pa., 2007)

>>714483059
>you're killing devs that are already killing themselves
Uhhh... What's the point of your post if those said problems are innevitable regardless of the outcome?

>>714493131
>citing american shit
into trash it goes

>>714483059
Aint no one lawmaker giving a single fuck about faggot indies.

>>714482861 (OP)
Imagine having your legal system based on "precedents"

>>714493282
El Majdoub v. CarsOnTheWeb (C‑322/14, 21 May 2015)
Italy — Court of Cassation, 19 Sep 2017 (No.21622)
Ireland — Ryanair Ltd v On the Beach Ltd (2013) & v Billigfluege (2015)
seethe

>>714483059
No one wants the shitty live services from indie devs. People know how Temtem turned out and how laggy was Rivals of Aether.

>>714493458
None of those are appliciable

>>714483017
The only people who seem to believe in the UK government are foreigners. This was never going to change anything, we operate exactly like a corrupt third world shit hole.

>>714493527
You didn’t even read them, nice cope.

It nourishes my soul to see how fucking terrified you shills are right now.

>>714493551
Did not need to because individual county laws do not apply

>>714493625
>county
Ahh, I’m arguing with an Indian.
I’ll stop doing that now.

>>714493552
This, SKGcord and its pajeet bot farms are working overtime running damage control and FUD campaigns.

>>714483059
Are gay people willingly trying to get themselves put in concentration camps?

>>714483059
I already hate the KGBBQ community, no need to motivate further.

>>714483059
It was funny satire the first time but now you're just posting it again and again but now you're just reposting it to get (You)s from undiscerning anons

>>714492336
ei jumalauta
ei vittu
:DDDDDD

That's another thing, they can still do something like The Crew again.
It's as easy as selling it as a service instead of a one time purchase product and make the expiration date very clear from the beginning or at least guarantee a period of time.
And if the service ends before that, they should be obligated to refund any person that asks for it.
It's that simple

>>714493552
You can actually track the panic level by the posts on here, it's incredible. I hope everyone is getting paid overtime, they've been at it nonstop.

>>714483059
Jokes aside, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the kind of appeal they make against the petition if it does go to the EU court. Knowing the fucking EU, every single mention of “LGBTQ+” and “POC” will reduce the chances of anything passing by a fixed percent.

>>714493954
that's like a third holocaust

>>714483059
1. LGBTQKWAB+ is meant to die and burn to cinders.
2. Indies don't and will never have a game with a solid live service. And the SKG won't change that.

Holy fuck, can't turn any direction in this thread without hitting a nose. You can tell the rats are scared.

The least I can do to upset some paid shills.

>>714482861 (OP)
the real reason SKG is because ross is one of those people who thinks companies can just press a button to make gaas games work like regular games

what will really happen is the politicians will ask a bunch of corpo software devs and lawyers why they can't do things the old way, they'll say new games are more advanced and have more features or some shit, or they use some third party services that they can't license out and then the boomers in government will nod their heads and go on with their lives

There was an incident in the UK a while back where a doctor asked a 14 year old boy's mother if the doctor's 12 year old daughter could stay in the room during the boy's completely naked medical examination and the boy's mother consented. This is legal under UK law. It's only illegal to do to girls.

>>714494538
Apple USB-C

>>714494538
Americans seem to do a lot of projecting about their own dysfunctional government

>>714494237
true, SKGoys are serving their GamerGate masters well.

>>714482861 (OP)
So what does the petition hitting an arbitrary set of numbers actually do?

>>714494538
If you force people to do stuff you'll be surprised what people are capable of all of a sudden.
It's proposing a law. It's not kindly asking companies to not fuck you over, it's saying Mr. Government over here is going to fine you into the dirt if you don't play nice.

Companies will bow. Apple bowed, Steam bowed people selling bottles put those retarded caps on.

>>714482861 (OP)
Don't care. Keep getting people to sign. It's only a first step against these corpos.

>>714494538
No, he's just not a myopic retard and understands that this is a problem that has already been solved and the only reason it emerged was a total lack of protection against it. Once the industry knows it cannot fuck the consumer the best practices revert to solutions that have no issues functioning indefinitely, for the few who cannot they then get to sell themselves as a subscription with an estimated shutdown date.

>>714495094
Wow, is that the old reddit switcharoo you just pulled there? Epic. Epic for the win.

>>714495245
>anything I don’t like is reddit
you need to get some new material, Sukhdeep

>>714483419
>AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything
GOOD.

>>714483419
still better than the current situation, nigger

>>714495104
EU officials now have to take it into consideration and give response and reasoning for the response within 6 months after deadline(end of june). So far of 119 initiatives that passed threshold 92 were accepted and 27 were rejected

This SKG shit is extremely brown-coded, it’s clearly pushed by Indians and other third worlders.
Here’s how it is:
>white man buys a game
>he plays it for a few years
>he then buys a new game
meanwhile:
>pajeet buys a game
>plays it for 10 years because he is poorer than dirt
>screeches when the servers go down because he’s a terminal poorfag surrounded by cow dung who can’t buy another game without bankrupting his curry money
white men are against SKG
brown men are for it.

>>714490692
lmao what the fuck is this shit

>>714483059
Stop Killing Games is LITERALLY violence against trans women and brown and black bodies.

>>714482861 (OP)
>SKG won't pass in the UK
Yeah, we all figured. This place is mini-America these days with a government who hates us and everything being done for the sake of the rich.
Thankfully, the EU is less fucked up and might pull through.

>>714483419
>indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore
Then I'll just pirate it
>AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever
This is better than nothing, and possible for people to make mods for functioning online multiplayer if that's what the game was originally

>>714483594
/signed the petition

>>714495967
Really?>>714495992
I'm gonna sign now.

>>714495992
The UK really was a backdoor for US politics, glad you signed Brexit bwo

>>714483059
>SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
How many indie games are online only?

>>714495812
>brown-coded
Whenever I see people unironically say this shit on Twitter I can just imagine the beak on the Yid that typed it.

>>714495812
This is what the jew writes when it's threatened

Hilarious how no one gave a fuck when it seemed that this petition was going nowhere and now that it actually got some traction there's threads upon threads of kvetching jews

>>714489161
No, it's just genuine grassroots contrarianism and stupidity

jews lost
furries lost
gamers rise up

>>714496441
Excluding some "set your own server and play" games, basically only the delusional ones who paid for Denuvo

>>714497328
Nah, blackpill was a mistake.

>>714495804
>27 were rejected
27 were WITHDRAWN by their authors, in the middle of collection of signatures.
23 were rejected for initial registration by the EU, i.e. 23 were found infeasible (or grossly offensive in case of some) up front and weren't even opened up for voting.

>>714492462
You answered. All according to keikaku

When was the last time the EU cared about any kind of referendum or petition? They just ignore that shit lmao. They are not legitimate.

>>714483320

>>714498717
kek

>>714483059
Good, the less live service trash the better

>homemade medical syringe producer says he can't pay for the standards, inspections, and quality control required by law that only big medical companies can cover
Then don't make medical syringes at home and find another line of work, easy peasy

>>714483059
>we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for.
How much could it possibly cost to check the box making your git repo public?

>>714498691
ECIs are different. They're legally binding and required to be treated.

>>714483419
People have been running private servers of Maldavious figtree's father game for years, its the best proof that live service games can easily be mantain by players after end of service and they didnt even get the code from blizzard, people just reverse engineer it

>>714499381
You're a fool if they give a shit. The amount of "legally binding" referendums that passed which were subsequently flat-out ignored are numerous. It's a miracle they even cared to pretend Brexit mattered.

>>714499639
Wanna actually show what the "ignored" referendums wanted to do?
Because while it got a lot of support, putting all gypsies in concentration camps does go against multiple international argeements.

>>714486721
There's no change happening in the context outside of contriarians here finding every avenue possible to, covered in fifteen layers of irony, find a way to hate this simply because they must hate it if it's popular. If it starts to change outside 4chan, know it's because this place started bleeding it out to other places.

>>714492336
Bless

>>714491406
I hate americans so much

>>714487360
MMOs should be required to release server software on end of life too

>>714489701
that's how they want it to work to begin with, though

why is esa troon central?

>>714491406
Why the fuck should I care what leftoids think? Leftoids hate everyone.

>>714501998
>why is a place with a bunch of autistics also home to a bunch of troons
It’s the same fucking community, their special interests are literally pretending to be a girl and also one ancient video game.

>>714492336
>1 in 111 Finns have signed the initiative
Holy fugging based.

OH FUUUUUG :DDDDDDD

>>714501998
I know of one transperson, it's my mothers friends daughter. She's autistic and believes she's a boy.

You just know she was brainwashed online, it's tragic really.

>>714482861 (OP)
I'm not sure if you're aware, but Parliament sets the laws and the courts invoke them. Just because case law has ruled one way doesn't mean that the law can't be changed.

Will anything change? Probably not, but what the courts have ruled in the past means nothing.

>>714482861 (OP)
So it should never change because we have an existing interpretation?

>>714483059
SKG isn't the reason those indie games only sell 30 copies lmao

>>714483059
>mentally ill retards wont be able to make awful live service garbage like Concord
How is this anything other than a universally good thing?

>>714498717
Delete this.

>>714482861 (OP)
>You can be legally sold a licence in perpetuity that operates without limit of time, but your access can be revoked as long as the terms that were agreed to allow for it. This means that games ending service and no longer being playable is perfectly legal
Isn't that literally the whole point? To change the existing laws or make new ones because this is retarded?

He has no excuse not to put money into the cause now.

>>714505025
His excuse is these donations go to him and not the cause

>>714505025
thats not even him lol
that shit goes directly to his mom's bank account

If you see this, kill yourself Jason

>>714487360
MMOs shouldn't be lost to time either. Offline mode or whatever should be enabled once they shut it down.

I, personally, consider losing all those character creators is bad. Some of these MMOs have good customization and you can create some good shit there.

>>714505025
I donated 200 yesterday, but I am just noticing the "Donate Monthly" and "Donate Once Only" tabs (I was drunk). Am I going to be giving him 200 a month till my card expires?

>>714505406
An offline mode would be too much of a burden to expect out of the developers.
Releasing hosting software so people can host their own servers when the game hits end of life seems more reasonable

>>714506281
Why isn't P2P an option? Or like the old randomly pick a player as the host?

>>714506651
would be fine for lobby based games, but I don't see that working for mmos

>>714482861 (OP)
Thanks ferret fucker but you're still wrong

>completely unsourced article from before the EU defined software as a good and not a service
The poo is afraid.

>>714483017
Parliament is a joke and they already responded with a "yeah we aren't doing shit lol" a while ago.

>>714506895
It's just to reach the "playable" requirement. I don't understand why devs ignore certain viable options like P2P and act like offline mode or server binaries are the only options.

>>714482861 (OP)
If they wanted to use this interpretation of the law, then they should never say "Buy" when you purchase a game. It should always say "Rent" on Steam and other sites

Even if they change that now, after Steam and others established billion dollar industries on top of telling customers they were buying things, they shouldn't get to retroactively apply that to everything they've ever sold customers.

If Steam said "Rent" instead of "Buy", I guarantee it would have never gotten off the ground.

>>714507671
I really miss dedicated server browsers

>>714482861 (OP)
>This means that games ending service and no longer being playable is perfectly legal
>I win
What part of "challenge the legality" don't you understand?

>>714492050
what was the petition for

>>714505825
Shouldn't you at least get some kind of email that allows you to unsubsribe?

>>714507671
>"playable" requirement
>open game
>go to menu, cant do anything else
DONE, is playable, goyi- I mean gamer :)

>>714507671
>certain viable options like P2P
Programmers I know are mainly concerned about online security for that if they were to sunset a project.

>>714510616
Potentially but this is why it's kind of hard sympathize with dev concerns. Consumers have to worry about devs still fucking them over even if regulations get passed. It's crazy how much disdain for consumer rights seem to be present in these discussions.
>>714510859
If the worry was security wouldn't the best option be to continue running the game so you have control over that. Ending support, meaning no more patches for exploits, is like the worse thing you can do for security.

>>714510859
And why would they care about it if they're gonna stop supporting the game after adding in P2P?

>>714482861 (OP)
>You can be legally sold a licence in perpetuity that operates without limit of time, but your access can be revoked as long as the terms that were agreed to allow for it.
Of course. Otherwise all online games wouldn't exist. I said from the beginning that the most this movement achieves is warning labels on games

>>714483059
>>“If these proposals become law without nuance,”
good thing that's not what anyone wants then
>>714483419
yeah, because he's a fucking retard and nobody is saying "pass a law that say they need to work on it and pay for it forever"

>>714511729
>Otherwise all online games wouldn't exist.
it's like a lot of people intentionally forget about private servers

>>714483059
Live service garbage is why videogames are so shit these days
bring the old days of Battleonze, Quake II and Half life alongside Game Spy Arcade

>>714483059
Indue devs do not and should not make live service games

>>714495812
>white men are against SKG
>brown men are for it.

>>714513124
Ross's eye colour is better than Figtree's so I side with Ross. If he ever breeds his crazy wife he will have autistic armies under him.

>>714505825
Can't you just cancel if you only meant to donate once?

He won

>>714482861 (OP)
That's the point of the petition though, to change the law. Are you retarded?

>>714512184
a million times this

>>714482861 (OP)
theft has been normalized all over western democracies as long as the people doing the stealing have billions. then its a-ok. imagine having to make a case to not have your shit stolen. yep that is how far capitalism has been allowed to go

>>714482861 (OP)
Yeah retard, Stop Killing Games isn't a court case, it's an initiative for new laws that will make it explicitly illegal.

>>714505025
>>714505825
louis rossmann put in a donation of nearly 3000 dollars but he forgot to change it from monthly to single donation only. I wonder if he corrected his mistake

>>714484187
Kelo v. New London is a permanent stain on Justice Souter's legacy.

>>714495812
But you /pol/ guys told me just the other day that white men stand against theft while brown men commit it. Why do you change your mind every day?

>>714482861 (OP)
the point is to change the law retard

>>714483320
Join the 41%

>>714486391
nah fuck off johnny was a victim

>>714487839
Malcom was Based

>>714482861 (OP)
fag

>>714493552
it worked

>>714483183
>>714483325
>>714483401
>>714483476
>Dilbert if he dog
he dun did it, he made a comic I could occasionally read on my way to work

>>714483658

>>714483320
>>714498717
Another mystery solved!

>>714492050
I was going to say Martyn's Law (all the security stuff in public venues) but that didn't even reach 30k signatures. So yeah no clue.

>>714510859
There are dozen of modern examples that work just fine. If you build a game ground up with these requirements then it's a non issue. People keep acting like it would need to be retroactive.

>>714505025
First off he really needs to update his PC.
>his current spec has gtx 1070

>>714483419
I have not heard of a single actual indie studio in my life releasing a game that was later taken offline. Indie games are either fully singleplayer or community server based multiplayer. What fucking indie studios releases online DRM titles or mass multiplayer games?

>>714498364
>(or grossly offensive in case of some)
I'm curious as to what could be grossly offensive but still be openly circulated and get 1 million signatures.

>>714483419
>this is literally what Pirate said was the problem with SKG
That's how you know there's no problem.

>>714519683
>t. Rosscord pajeet shill

>>714482861 (OP)
>totalitarian bongostan is totalitarian
to change the law is the entire point you numbskull

>>714492010
and?

>>714521103
get better bait

>>714521942
get a unique opinion instead of spewing talking points given to you

>>714519512
Deep rock galactic

>>714492050
>>714518851
The entire point of those petitions is to dismiss political movements, if something reaches 100k signatures it will be debated in a backroom in the houses of commons for an afternoon where it would be lucky if even one MP attended, then the government can say: "look we debated it here" to dismiss anything related to what those petitions are asking for every time they get asked about it.

>>714522131
acquire new fishing materials

>>714522783
parroting is a sign of defeat

>>714522927
collect fresh aquatic lures, you disingenuous slime

>>714493552
>hits one million signatures
>suddenly influx of posts trying every tactic under the sun to discourage it

>>714483932
>you people just absolutely refuse to understand
Answer the question.
What kind of fucking retarded indie dev wants to create a live service game? Why should anyone tolerate indie live service games on an existential basis? What market is there for live service games that indies would benefit in any way from it?
Thor the Liar and Scammer can't answer this.
You both refuse to answer and attempt to dodge answering by deflection.

714483059
It's amazing how many (You)s a GPT generated drivel can get.

Ross scott defends Jew and the WW2 lies
He's a golem and not our guy

>>714525348
>ITS DA AIIIIII
cope

>>714525628
Cite the source then, faggot.

>>714486721
They can't figure out who to blame because they are going into panic mode. It is funny to witness.

>>714483059
Online functionalities for indie multiplayer games get nuked out of oblivion 24/7. The thing is that you can run private server far more reliably than an always online ubislop hellhole

>>714525708
I’m not your personal slave for a Google search.
You can PayPal me $10 though and I’ll get it for you

>>714483059
>oh no we have to release the server code for a server we no longer wish to use THE HUMANITY
Nigger.

>>714482861 (OP)
Let's say this gets signed. What's to keep companies from going like, OK, we'll just keep a single AWS instance, the type you can get for free, running a worldwide server. Performance will be abysmal and server queues will be 49 hours long but apart from monthly outages it will work so we fulfill legal responsibilities and requirements.

>>714528436
you are not entitled to the IP of another

>>714483059
Oh look the tranny shield is out.

>>714483059
It will never pass because no sane developer and/or ip holder will give away sever binaries or source code for that matter to people who want to run pay to win scam servers and host them in Russia as a business. Ross's petition reads like it was written by a child, an autistic manchild to be precise. Imagine sperging out over The Crew from '14.

>>714528213
Yeah, it boggles my mind why anyone would even bring up indie devs as a defense in a live service discussion.
Factorio method is how you do it proper.
Any indie dev even contemplating live service should just pull a Kurt Kobain on themselves, they either aren't an indie dev, or are playing around with trustafarian money. Either case they are not worth anyone's time, energy, or money.

>>714528493
>u-um… that doesnt count as playable state (in my personal definition) therefore daddy EU will buttfuck you saar

>>714482861 (OP)
>This means that games ending service and no longer being playable is perfectly legal
the fact you needed to state this is proof you have no idea what this petition is about.
WE ALREADY KNOW IT IS CURRENTLY LEGAL
and the petition isn't even about making it illegal, it is about giving users the control of the online server availability AFTER the devs/publishers decide to stop supporting the game and its server.
which means this has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with the legal definition of "never ending", as it would literally not touch those segments of the TOS

>>714528646
>give away sever binaries
Its funny your dumbass says this when a bunch of devs actually did do this, nice job bringing up something that already doesnt work tho dumbfuck.

Europoors don’t understand that even if this somehow passes, this will be stuck in the courts for years and completely unenforcable.
Game studios will just cite their agreements with middleware developers, their IP/copyrights, and existing EU law that forbids reverse engineering.
>b-but they have to negotiate new deals with the middleware devs!
no they don’t
you cannot force someone to do business in a certain way.
get fucked harder than mohammed’s dick in your ass, eurocucks

>this passes
>game developers then say:
>you can have the server binaries, for $5000 a month as part of a subscription service with a limited license
>Eurodrones then proceed to seethe as this would be perfectly legal under their proposal
KEK

>>714528646
Devs and publishers did that as a common practice for years.
So was EA insane for allowing dedicated servers on all of their old multiplayer games? Or blizzard for LAN? How about Activision for call of duty?

>>714529059
In other words, game devs deserve everyone's ire and siccing bureaucrats on their asses.
Thanks for providing even more incentive to go with this and then some.

>>714529416
you are not entitled to the work of others, commie.

It's already over btw.

>>714483059
>Zurich-based queer indie dev
I chuckled, great bait

>>714529509
>goldstein
I don't even need to look this lobbyist early life wiki entry

>>714482861 (OP)
They bought a loicense
The UK is literally a 1987 dystopia

>>714529469
I am if you are a filthy foreigner and not of my nationality, Commie.

>>714529683
>I am if you are a filthy foreigner and not of my nationality
is that what you told Mohammed while he was gaping your niece’s asshole?

>>714487839
isn't this Liberia?

>>714529757
Muhammed rapes only your kind, Commiecuckold. We got rid of both Commies and Muhammad. We'll get rid of you too if you try getting off the plane and acting all important like the Johnny Somali you are bitchlips. Go sit on your gnome dildo.

>>714498717
BTFO

>>714495832
>pass the staircase bro

>>714529509
>Twitter: @IDF
This could've been really good bait if you left out the "anti-semitic in nature" part at the beginning that makes it obvious and let this bomb hit the reader at the end.

>>714529917
>Commiecuckold. We got rid of both Commies and Muhammad.
>t. only has socialist politicians and takes in 1 million rapefugees a year
ok eurocuck

>>714482861 (OP)
>you can't change the law because of how the currently is
uh, shills need to come up with better talking points.

>>714528908
Well, I guess bankrupting dishonest companies through continious lawsuits is a fine alternative to enforcement

>>714530124
No wonder you are related to Johnny Somali, you know so little of Europe.
Pro tip: It's not one country.
Most of it doesn't share in your black worship and slavery.
Now go back to sitting on your gnome dildo and being an embarrassment, talentless wannabe game dev.

>>714483059
bwahahaha

>>714528786
>>714529119
>muh p2p arena shooters
Total retards.

>>714483059
>SKG will never pass
neither will you

>>714528646
>game is so unprofitable that it gets shut down
>people will make pay to win scam servers

>>714530342
Based dumb zoomer not knowing what words mean.

>>714483059
>>714482861 (OP)
contrarian keeps rehashing the same posts

>>714530412
Here's an amazing way to save money on your video game upkeep cost: Don't have it require a central server, gaynigger.

>>714530449
Always online services are not your shitty peer to peer arena shooters and call of duties.

>>714530697
>>714530449

>>714530246
>Most of it doesn't share in your black worship and slavery.
this is what eurocucks actually believe
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/06/eu-must-face-legacy-of-colonialism-and-support-reparations-say-meps

>>714483552
All we needed was one sticky.
Jannies are massive faggots and it's their fault.

>>714530830
Yeah self hosted peer to peer deathmatches.

>>714530903
Notice how that applies to only 13 out of 44 European countries. Because only 13 were involved.
This is why your kind gets beat to shit when you go out in the World, your Johnny Somali education can't even grasp basic math. Meanwhile you are descended of those 13 rapist trafficking shitholes, and your entire nation of cuckolds behaves the way what with your inability to decide whether to kiss Israel's penis or your kids kissing Palestinian cocks.
The rest of us in Europe only laugh.
Go off now, you showed how dumb you are, sit on your gnome dildo.

>>714503675
Jumala..

>>714531196
>kids kissing palestinian cocks
Hello pedo, please kys, gypsy brownoid

>>714531328
You record your college kids kissing Palestinian cock all day every day, or kissing Latino cock to keep them in and away from ICE, and show it to the entire World. I suggest you zip your mouth before you embarrass yourself even further John Money.

>>714531505
Take meds and stop projecting your pedo fetishes onto others.

>>714531695
Stop being the pedo capital of the World where most of Human trafficking ends up, Nathan Larson.

>>714531838
>Stop being the pedo capital of the World
but enough about all the girls raped in europe by muslim grooming gangs you gave asylum to

>>714528908

>>714531980
Grooming gangs? You mean Hollywood, Scientology, Mormons, Washington DC, for some reason Florida and Texas as well, and the dads raping their daughters and sons in Alabama?
Interpol has stats you know? Europe and even half of Asia can't compete with USA in that aspect.
Wealth buys you underage sex trafficking eh? That's why you have ports all over the World. Gotta traffic from wherever you can.

>>714532172
>obsessed eurocuck with third world GDP goes completely schizo and off topic because he can’t refute the points made in the thread
enjoy your 3 day vacation

>>714485001
Going by the last strip, I don't think that's coffee

>>714528908
I WILL NOT vote with my waller
I WILL vote with me EU Citizenship
You WILL work on an EOL plan
Cheers

>>714532287
Buttmad Amerishart can't cope with the fact that he's the pedophile human trafficking capital of the World, on the level of Muslims; and shows off Johnny Somali levels of education on other cultures.
Just another day in your collapsing Ottoman Empire late stage shithole.
Sit on that gnome dildo.
Most of the World will never share in your guilt or your level of retardation as a people.

>>714487029
>gawk-gawk's at corporate dick
>calls other people disgusting
Time to stop posting Jason

>>714530586
>central server
you sound like you know what you're talking about

>>714532484
>my waller
>me EU citizenship

>>714483594
Trash design

>>714489981
>or send a bricking update to make it unusable
this is literally what happened with Switch 2 and the Twink Link guy

>>714482861 (OP)
What the fuck does the UK have to do with the EU?

>>714483059
Any examples of LGBTQ+ indie developers running a live service game?

>>714533376
UK was a member of the EU at the time
this is called precedent sweetie

>>714485586
Segregation.

>>714533461
Nonexistent.
Looney Troons will take any opportunity to attempt to make themselves look important or visible, when they are irrelevant. There's been dozens of studies the past decade done proving that the LGBT, with special emphasis on the Trooner Necromorphs, has significantly larger presence of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder, and Maladaptive Narcissism, than the Human average.

>>714533534
Slavery was precedent and yet I can't own slaves?
Impossible. Muh precedent.

>>714533890
Hyperbole is not an argument.
There was no law on the books about slaves until there was.
The difference here, is that there are already laws on the books that govern this, and have been tested in court.
Cope.

>>714482861 (OP)
>N-NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN!!
>THIS IS WHY I'LL KEEP MAKING THREADS REACHING BUMP LIMIT SO THAT i CAN KEEP REPEATING THAT NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN
I can almost taste the absolute FEAR in you corposhills

>>714534185
>S-SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN!!
>THIS IS WHY I'LL KEEP MAKING THREADS REACHING BUMP LIMIT SO THAT i CAN KEEP REPEATING THAT SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN
I can almost smell the absolute SHIT in your street from you Indian shills

>>714483059
>the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community
Good

>>714534071
Good thing the initiative aims to change the law lmao kek rofl
gonna be a funny 2026.
>>714534294
I'm not the one making threads, schlomo.

>>714534294
>he really thinks the moldman paid indian to shill the initiative on 4chan of all places

It means they can no longer pretend they are selling licences instead of games.

>>714534513
>anonymous posting
>$5 on Fiverr for 100 pajeets to shill your narrative
>IP counter retired
makes perfect sense to shill here

>>714505825
saya sex

>>714514571
Faggot of a year award?

>>714528908
>you cannot force someone to do business in a certain way
You can if it's a law in countries of combined 15% world GDP

>>714482861 (OP)
Ok
What's stopping them from putting an expected EoL and note that purchasing it is a subscription with a minimum end date as labeling on the games then? That costs nothing, doesn't make them give out data, and ensures that consumers are always explicitly informed without hiding it in an oft-edited EULA they read after purchase anyway? Legitimately provide me one reason that we can't at bare minimum have better labeling so that consumers are absolutely aware that they are purchasing a theme park ticket and not a perpetual product.
This bypasses all arguments of prior case, all arguments of "this will cost us to give data for" and all arguments of "it will constrict development" because it's literally asking you to put a notice and a minimum end date on your product, or at least that you own zilch if you pay for this.

>>714489363
That didn't make sense.

>>714536109
>What's stopping them from putting an expected EoL and note that purchasing it is a subscription with a minimum end date as labeling on the games then?
the minimum end date is 30 days :)
enjoy your games

Companies are just gonna stop selling to the EU, its a shrinking market anyways

>>714536109
>What's stopping them
it would lower their sales

>>714536368
That's at least what Apple did
... wait

>>714482861 (OP)
you don't agree to any terms when you buy the game
>b-b-b-but you agreed to them after buying the game
if anyone buys a game but never plays it, thus never agrees to the terms, he would then have the right to play the game after the servers are shut down
you lost and got raped

>>714536368
>Companies are just gonna stop selling to the EU

>>714536368
>Companies stop selling to the EU
>Massive hole in the market opens up
>Fuckloads of developers start making EU-compliant games and selling them globally
Wow

>>714536368
Mate, American corporations will literally take it up the ass from Brussels just so they can do business there.

>>714536109
Line won't go up that much.

Why would you ever argue against not letting a good you bought be taken from you despite being the basis of commerce law?

>>714483059
the replies summarized:
>this isn't true
>ok it's true but it's an easy fix
>ok it's not an easy fix but just give us the source code and we'll do it ourselves
>ok none of us know how to code but they should do it because the fans will appreciate it
>ok we actually hate all devs and want them to suffer

>>714537609
Real reply: You're not screwing us out of the product we bought.

We'll get the boomers to pass laws and/or probably bring you down or severely hurt your business or something if you continue to do so.

Video gamers are a scarily large demographic with a pretty long memory. If even a fraction of them get militant, there is now almost no country that will find it easy enough to ignore what gamers want rather than to comply.

>>714537609
just don't sell games wih built-in kill swtiches
>no, it's impossible!!
then patch the game to work offline once you decide to kill the game
>that's like, 10 thousands hours of work to do!!!
then release the server binaries once you decide to kill it
>if I do that, my company will literally burst into flames!!
then make the game a subscription service instead of a one-time purchase to begin with
>I don't even know what that means!!!!
then sell it with a big expiration date on the box
>t-think of the little indie devs!!!!!!!!!!!

>>714513124
You can truly see how empty Thor is. There's no light behind its eyes. You can tell that it's just a homunculus that doesn't comprehend the world, attacking what it doesn't understand.

>>714537609
>this isn't true
It isn't an indie dev 'already strained by limited resources' has no reason to make a game where they have to perpetually deal with server upkeep
>ok it's true but it's an easy fix
It really is though?
You can just put a date for when support for the game will be dropped when you start selling the game.
That complies with the request of the initiative.
>But I'll make less money if players know that the game will be dropped
Too bad, either make an end of service plan or say when you're no longer gonna support the game by.

>>714482861 (OP)
I see they’re as retarded as Piratesoftware is

>>714483059
There is no burden, just give the tools to allow for private servers ffs, how is that so hard?

>>714529059
>>you can have the server binaries, for $5000 a month as part of a subscription service with a limited license
You retards really seem to think that this is the first time a law has ever passed and that the government has 0 counter to you fucking around. If your trickery won't stop a man with a stick beating you it won't stop a judge from noticing that you're fucking around.

>>714540554
nothing about that proposal is against the law
you are not entitled to other people’s IP free of charge

>>714541467
>other people’s IP
disingenuous jew

>>714541667
commie thief

>>714536368
Is that why Apple didn't USB-Cucked? I'm not a big fan of the EU, but let us not pretend they haven't been a force for good in plenty of instances, including telling Apple to fuck off and putting a 500 mil fine on them.

>>714483419
None of the indies that I follow release anything as a live service, so I don't give a fuck.

>well my lord, we don't frankly care
>*raucus laughter*
>right, speaker of the house, the next article for debate is...

>>714537609
This would be true if the law applied retroactively. Which isn't the case. Devs will figure out new strategies, which is the entire point. They need to stop using shitty business practices.

why do deletions spike at night? why be useful idiots for corpos?

>>714483932
>zero online
THANK FUCK

>>714542348
>make rule breaking post
>get deleted
>USEFUL IDIOTS
cope

>>714482861 (OP)
Good thing this isn't a UK initiative

>>714495430
THIS. Niggers shouldn't threaten me with a good time.

>>714482861 (OP)
Sounds like kike nonsense to me.

>>714486027
it does

>>714492336
>almost 1% of population has signed
Maamme armahin synnyinmaa

What I find annoying about libtards and their petitions is they often don't have a specific framework for what change they want

>>714482861 (OP)
Serious question, who the fuck created this movement and why? Because it sounds to me like some smelly basement dweller's 30 year old MMO finally died and they got butthurt and decided to cry to the internet about it. How off am I?

>>714482861 (OP)
Great, then the EU can see that 1 million+ people think that's bullshit, see that the UK interpretation of the law is retarded and change the law as per the demands of their constituents as a free win the settle some of the unrest building within its borders.

>>714542745
>smelly basement dweller's 30 year old
it's just a 30 year old basement dweller seething that his ubislop got shut down

>>714482861 (OP)
Good thing UK is irrelevant now

>>714542745
Pirate party

>>714542745
It's some jewtuber faggot who cried about the crew.

>>714542937
>UK is irrelevant now
UK has a bigger GDP than every country in Europe except Germany.
Seethe

>>714483325
Epic comic, hope he is still doing it 24 years later

>>714543005
ironic a tranny is whining about faggots

>>714542745
>>714542842
>>714543005
What's up, jew.

>>714483059
>build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for.
no, because it wouldn't be retroactive
and if you're building a new project that you can include it in your initial scope meetings and plan around it much like any other piece of law that will impact your plans.
Also why are you as an indie developer with negative money and infinite oppression trying to make an always-online or live service style of game that requires server access? Wouldn't peer to peer be easier to implement and MUCH, MUCH cheaper to do?

>>714483419
>AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything
GOOD.

>>714533793
This image is retarded. Notch is telling people to write their own engine to find success. And people are telling him that it doesn't matter because minecraft had shit coding

>>714536645
>>714536406
This has never worked against basic labeling, cereal companies tried to use that against being told they couldn't call their sugar blast cereals healthy on the package, cigarette companies argued against their penalized labels because it's not scientifically provable that cigs actually cause cancer (yes it's stupid but technically true), app publishers pushed back against warning labels that in-app purchases that require adult supervision be put onto their games, hell even Timmy McFortnite is facing the courts right now for not having a purchase confirmation label on mtx (not really the same thing, but you could argue the same thing against it, that a warning would reduce profit from gullible people). It's just a label to create informed consumers in a market where they're terribly misinformed and taken advantage of via purposely obtuse and vague legalese mountains.

>>714483419
>allowing for private servers will somehow destroy everything
Jesus fucking Christ, how are so many people so tech illiterate

>>714543037
Just because of financial institutions and very old banks. You produce nothing and in 50 years your country will be majority Muslim. GG.

>>714543081
>>714543098
Rosscord coping hard.

>>714543098
seething eurocuck

>>714543405
I didn't accuse you of samefagging. Not denying the jew allegations tho kek!

>>714489270
Mods wish they were that cute.

>>714543494
Communism and socialism were rife with jews, yet you're very quiet on that front.
Curious

>>714542938
I miss the antipiratbyrån
i miss the piratebay before the raid

The best possible outcome is to enforce companies to explicitly state during the first access to the service a clear EULA like Capcom has.

>You are renting access, you own nothing

Corporations play with the concept of product and service when they sell or rent software. That is going to end with this.

>>714542938
>I miss the piratbyrån
>i miss the pirate bay before the raid

>>714543494
>ubishit paypig
>cries when ubikikes shut down their servers
If the anons you're calling kikes were actually kikes you would send them $80USD+tip.

>>714543298
nigger your the one coping considering you already lost yet your dumbass is still posting

>>714543858
Lost what? Not time watching a jewtuber's shitty videos, that's for damn sure?

>>714543686

>>714544473
>not the intellectual property rights
which includes things like middleware and server code/binaries
cope

>>714543686
Best case would be them telling you BEFORE you buy.

>>714544473
>yeah I bought a license and got a client to connect to the service
>yeah I'm still gonna cry about it after the servers shut down
You get what you deserve.

>>714541467
What do you mean entitled to other's people's IP?

>>714482861 (OP)
This shit will not make it in a court of law. How tacky can they be making an initive called stop killing games, and all it does is kill live service and free to play games.

>>714544825
you think they'll put the game server files for sale for like $500 or something and have the server connect to their licensing servers to make sure no bad goy servers pop up?

>>714545004
tacky is argumenting in bad faith like you've been doing for weeks

>>714545016
No, they'll rerelase the "game" and sell the license to you again.

>>714541467
but this iniaitive isn't asking for the copyright to the game. people just want to continue playing the games they paid for.

>>714483059
Are these "marginalized developers" all like 20 years old? Cause most old games worth playing (waaay before live service and shit) have a small utility usually named "server.exe", you double click that and boom, you have a game server running on your PC.
If a fat nerdy guy 25 years ago could code that without AI and modern tools, why can't these trendy hip LGBTQ+ devs do the same?
Also why the fuck is a marginalized indie developer making a live service game kek. They're just lazy bastards.

>>714483059
>marginalized developers
I wonder why community servers and custom levels weren't considered a problem 20~30 years ago when every single game under the sun had either a map editor (some with custom scripting even) or custom servers, if not both.
the industry is just grasping at straws

>>714545120
that costs money, and if the studio went belly up too little too late. What are you even going to do about it, fine them? They're Broke. put them in jail?

>>714482861 (OP)
Don't like it, don't sign it. Just vote with your signature