Lobbyist group Video Games Europe responded to Stop Killing Games

>We appreciate the passion of our community; however, the decision to discontinue online services is multi-faceted, never taken lightly and must be an option for companies when an online experience is no longer commercially viable. We understand that it can be disappointing for players but, when it does happen, the industry ensures that players are given fair notice of the prospective changes in compliance with local consumer protection laws.

Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable. In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.

We welcome the opportunity to discuss our position with policy makers and those who have led the European Citizens Initiative in the coming months.

Full 5 page response: https://www.videogameseurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/VGE-Position-Discontinuation-of-Support-to-Online-Games-04072025.pdf

Yet more retards being deliberately obtuse as to what is being asked for

They fail to even understand the proposal they're lobbying against, all that's being requested is that players are able to self host servers once companies decide they can or will no longer host them themselves. No one gets hurt by doing this.

>>714570050 (OP)
the (((industry))) needs to get their shit pushed in again just like in 1938

>>714570050 (OP)
>NOT EU parliament
>just a facsimile of a "trusted brand" giving a rote speech
>more anti-SKG shills trying to pull more bullshit

Get fucked, we're moving forward.

>>714570050 (OP)
>as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist
Yeah, no one asked you to do this in the first place.

>>714570050 (OP)
It will be funny what the result of this will be (assuming the eu doesn't just drop the appeal)
There is guaranteed to be some loophole like F2P GaaS will be exempt and suddenly even more games will be F2P GaaS.
This is guaranteed to backfire in more than one way.

>>714570050 (OP)
No apologia compensates for an unfair deal. If you can't sell fairly, then piss off. The people who want to figure it out (the lost technology of the fucking 90s) can fill in the market gap.

We Europeans know how to handle the industry. the time has come for the common man without a voice to rise up

>>714570050 (OP)
>Imposing a legal obligation to continue server support indefinitely,
or to develop online video games in a specific technical manner that will allow permanent use,
will raise the costs and risks of developing such games.

>indefinite
Lol did they watch the thor video instead of reading the initiative?

>>714570384
Fomo f2p is irritating to everyone but the mentally ill, they always lose players.

>>714570050 (OP)
kek they are afraid

>>714570203
>No one gets hurt by doing this.
Having to compete against old games is BAD.

>>714570526
This. In the modern age it seems to be nearly impossible to make games anywhere close to as good as they were a decade ago.

>>714570203
Won't most companies just refuse to "end" games and keep them on life support with a throttled server, tho?

Nigga just say when your service ends. Why is it so hard?

>>714570050 (OP)
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
Translation: Private servers aren't possible because we need to control everything so no one says the nigger word or is transphobic, if we didn't then we would be held liable.

NIGGERS.

>>714570203
I just want LAN options for my games desu.

>>714570862
that would hurt sales just like putting smoking kills on cigarettes. your rights as a consumer are reducing profit margins. thats why we in the EU have regulations to protect consumers so companies who want to sell their stuff here must abide by them like minimum 2-year guarantee. we don't want to end up like america where billionaires make up the laws for their billionaire buddies and the working class has to pay for it

>>714570861
yes, there are multiple ways how this will likely backfire. Instead of WoW ever shutting down they will run it on a raspberry or give people the option to run a 'private instance' for like $100 a month fee.

>>714570203
It's possible the EC will go beyond what the initiative is proposing and demand general access to alternative servers.

>>714570862
>Service ends in 2 weeks
>Dearly, your Concord game dev team

>>714571302
>even less people buy it
kek

>>714570050 (OP)
>We appreciate the passion of our community; however, we want to keep abusing the intentionally vague laws to scam you more. Be a good little boiled frog and shut up.
Not this time, faggots.

>>714570862
From their article.
>The right to decide how, when, and for how long to make an online video game services
available to players is vital in justifying this cost and fostering continued technical
innovation. As rightsholders and economic entities, video games companies must remain
free to decide when an online game is no longer commercially viable and to end continued server support for that game.

Basically they're saying that if the game flops they reserve the right to shut it down instantly v.s. leaving it up forever because it makes giga dollars. And honestly that's pretty much true. No sane game developer is going to want to keep running the servers if the game is doing so poorly it's literally losing money.

However they could STILL get around the issue entirely by making sure the game was built from the ground up with LOCAL DEDICATED SERVERS. If their game flops and they shut down the servers 2 months after it comes out all the weirdos that like the game can just host their own server and keep playing while the company doesn't lose any money. Their claim that these fuckos are going to do illegal shit on their private server is nonsense and a non-issue. Notch is going to get arrested because someone plans illegal shit. In Minecraft.

>These games are designed to be online only, so they CAN'T run without a company central server
Fuck this gaslighting
There are troves of purely multiplayer games from 20 years ago whose companies no longer exist yet we can still run them fine

>>714570203
The line must go up.

>>714571717
>Notch is going to
ISN'T going to get arrested.**

Do they think that Johnny Carmack and Id are LIABLE for people calling each other nigger on private Quake servers

Everytime the gaslighters make these bullshit claims, its so easy to just glance over at old multiplayer games and see it's not true

>>714570050 (OP)
That's an ai generated statement just fyi.

>>714571717
Just say when your service will end upfront. If it ends even sooner I want my money back. It's not rocket science. If a hotel wants to close down because it went bankrupt while I payed to stay a month there I want my money back.

>>714570203
>They fail to even understand the proposal they're lobbying against
You can't wake someone pretending to be asleep especially when his paycheck depends on being asleep.
People need to stop treating shills like these as human beings.

>>714571983
Publishers having to print expiration dates on their games would be some peak clownworld shit that would wake a lot of people up

>>714571983
>If it ends even sooner I want my money back.
But Anon... we need that money

>>714570203
it's deliberate. they don't want to give an inch. exploiting gambling addicts is simply too profitable for them to care

>>714570050 (OP)
Funny, since there's plenty of private servers I consider more trustworthy than most dev studios and publishers that farm my fucking data

>>714570183
Yep. As someone who has followed the right to repair stuff in the US, I'm not surprised at all. The lobbyists know nothing and are retarded on purpose to mislead lawmakers. I hope the people Ross relies on aren't as naive as him thinking passing the initiative will be enough. Now the battle against the lobbyist will begin.

>>714570050 (OP)
Lying fuckers. Just give the users a server software or an offline mode.

>>714572069
>B-but the taxi driver took you halfway there
They can go fuck themselves or make their "games" subscription based then.

>>714570203
HOW? LEGITIMATELY HOW?

How does a player host a distributed server? With more third party tools than variable declarations.

Holy shit. How? I can give you all the code from my work place, I can give it all to you. I can give you every iota of documentation. I can give it all over. You still wouldn't be able to run it. You'd have to study the code for years, you'd have to become a senior back-end engineer to do it. I don't think you have any idea just how fucking complicated back ends can be.

>>714570203
Lawyers told them to be obtuse and use legalese, these fuckers aren't playing around.

>>714570203
none will ever allow this cause they want you to buy the new fad, also if you start hosting your own server and doing nono things they will probably pull a blizzard and a rockstart and start to send c&d to players

EAT SHIT

>>714570050 (OP)
>however
stopped reading, fuck these jews

>>714570050 (OP)
That response was written by ChatGPT

>>714570050 (OP)
>a fair notice
Weren't there some games where you got like a 2 month notice before the servers shut down? Other games just quitly stopped developing the "live" aspect of their game making it stagnate without taking their servers down, which this SKG wouldn't even stop.

>>714570861
That's malicious compliance and I doubt the EU would like that. They already fined the fuck out of Apple for fucking around similarly. If there's one thing they love it's fining big tech companies.

>>714572228
yes, i'm sure game companies write servers that are impossible for anyone else to launch

Here in this very thread you have countless idiots thinking it's all about private servers or whatever, but it's not
It's not about replacing network connectivity, it's about allowing you to continue doing the things that weren't related to network connectivity
Taking Anthem for example, you should be able to start up the game and fly around the empty world doing whatever you can do as a single player, without needing to connect to any external server, whether it's official or unofficial, and that alone would be enough

>>714570526
Unironically.

How can video games protect their IP from players on dedicated servers? How can they moderate people hacking games, like what's happening right now in the PS3 MW2 because it's peer-to-peer? Somebody made a Club Penguin revival, and they started creating Nazi symbols and ruining the reputation of Club Penguin, which is just a kids' game. Think of the children who might get hacked playing on these servers or some server does weird ass ERP shit. It's not safe for them and there is no moderation.

>>714570050 (OP)
they are afraid

>lobbyist group

>>714570203
but who is going to combat hate speech in those servers??

>>714572228
i can't quite tell if this post is serious or not. in case it is, the answer is simple, you write the backend in a way you can run it as a single instance setup on consumer hardware, which is exactly what already happens for debug development servers.

>fair notice
That's the treatment you get when you rent a house. It's to give you time to move to a new house. How the fuck does that help when a game is taken away forever. You have time to say goodbyes? lol

>>714572726
>But judge, I gave her a fair notice before the rape took place

Devs and companies complaining about this are fucking retarded. By making players host own server, then you can just drop the game and move over to create new games. No devs likes to sit with the same game years and month making dlc for it. Its a waste of time and waste of talent. Just move on the the next.

>>714572160
>Just do it, it's easy
>Trust me I've never built a server in my life

Why are you so confident at understanding things you have never researched? The SKG initiative says it's a "trivial" amount of work(it's not).

>>714572481
You're probably right for 99/100 games. That's why I said distributed server: I'm talking about live service/massively multiplayer games.

You also never hand over blank server code during a server handover. You hand them over when they are working, to experienced backend engineers. And usually server handover contracts have a year+ of time overlapping responsibilities during handover.

>>714570050 (OP)
>protect player data
Not relevant as you'd obviously make a new account in whatever private server.
>leave right holders viable
If that is true, then that's a good concrete change to make among many. Right holders shouldn't be liable for private server shenanigans.

>>714570203
>They fail to even understand the proposal they're lobbying against,
No they don't, they're just playing dumb to confuse the people.

>>714572846
>move over to create new games
Nooooooo. How can I sell you a minimal effort remake in 10 years?

>>714572846
Players host servers and turn them into Nazi supremacy servers. Parents go online to complain that their kid is playing a Nazi game, and it's your server. You can't do anything about it, and now they're damaging your reputation.

>>714570203
Except Stop Killing Games doesn't demand this, it just demands that games with a potentially finite lifespan provide an end of life plan so that people can play them after a company has effectively pulled out of the game
One of the key parts of Stop Killing games is that Ross has played games on the Game Dungeon that were already taken offline, games that developers claimed were so integrated into their online infrastructure that it would be impossible to play them offline.
While Stop Killing Games doesn't demand this it does state that this would be good and companies will try their hardest to weasel out of this, I've seen a point made about accessing player credentials but this can be put behind a wall, Steam already does this and users their own servers for verification on external websites and games, so that's also full of shit.
At worst companies could argue licensing issues with their server software.
https://mmofolklorist.com/2022/07/25/the-complete-list-of-rogue-servers-for-dead-mmos-2022/
Anyway here's a list of mmos hosted by fans, it's clear that costs are just nothing, even barely profitable MMOs could be hosted indefinitely, companies spend more resources harvesting your metrics than most of these MMOs would cost to host for their existing fanbases, the costs of the hardware/bandwidth is so minimal that you literally have randoms hosting these games online for free.

>>714572846
but then they have to compete against old games and that would lessen the profits of (((shareholders))) !!!!

>>714572850
you are thinking about the scenario where a massive game runs on aws and requires arcane wizzardry to say to other developers how to even start it up.

just provide a docker image for a working configuration with a single instance, or figure out how to separate the gameplay code from the AWS code just like we do for gpu code.

it is not that hard if you plan for it. It is hard to do now because nobody care about that

>>714572951
>It's your server
It's quite literally not your server anymore. Just like if you sell your car you're not responsible for the guy you sold it to running someone over.

>>714572951
>Players host servers
>it's your server
>your reputation
Grasping at straws

>>714571983
What if the game lasts longer than the expiration date? Can they charge you more?

>>714572052
It would be pretty funny, but we have to make some minumim so everyone won't just print
>game will last at least 1 day
EU has required 2 year warranty as a general rule so lets go with that/ If my vacuum cleaner stops working I don't care if it's because someone turned off a server (well this shouldn't be a thing either but it's a different related fight), I'm making a claim and want it working or my money back.

>>714570050 (OP)
> in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
It wouldn't effect cost of making in any way.

>>714572228
are you retarded

>>714570463
You posted a picture stat started events which led to masses being killed for no real reason only to end up with a monarchy in power again.
Pretty ironic.

>>714570050 (OP)
Casual observation: the EU should sue these chuckle-fucks for deliberate misrepresentation.
Their website is authored to resemble the official visual style of EU government bodies, making it seem to the casual observer as if they are an official government body.
Which they, most decidedly, are NOT. They're just an industry lobby group.

>>714573041
>>714573075
It doesn't matter. It's your IP. If someone plays on a private server and the owner of that server injects viruses, leading to hacks where people are compromised, the person responsible for the malicious hacks remains anonymous, but it's your IP that gets blamed. How can game publishers trust moderate these private servers?

>>714572951
>parents complain they can't parent
I do sympathize there. Those types are the worst.

>>714573223
Name five examples

>>714573169
nah. once the elite gets too uppity it's culling time to remind them who is boss. don't care about the faggots who came afterwards

>>714573083
Nope. That's just generous of them I guess. If they want to do something like that then just follow a subscription model where you have to keep "buying" time with the game in shorter intervals.

>>714573223
right, it is such a obscene problem that mojang pulled the ability of running private servers for minecraft

>>714573223
>How can game publishers trust moderate these private servers?
The same they did for dedicated servers since the beginning of time. It's not some new problem. We has people hosting servers before.

>>714572850
terms like "live" and "massively" don't make software magically unrunnable

>>714573223
>but it's your IP that gets blamed
Making assumptions.
Just tell them "I stopped working on that game ages ago fags lmao"

>>714572709
I am being serious. I am a backend engineer,
with some limited live service game contracting.

Sure, there would be developer builds of small slices of the game which probably don't require a server.

For games with large server requirements, it's most certainly not the case. They can spin up their own instance of a server, running their code, but it will still be cloud hosted.

>>714573034
You probably mean to say 40+ docker images, all requiring bespoke setup, etc, etc, etc. Which still won't work, because third party crap.

Planning for it sounds really fucking gay, and super time consume. Why not just let people make the games they want to make? If you really want to play games which support local LAN, then buy them, there's heaps out there.

>>714572228
Same way developers launch the server software on their local workstation for debugging purposes.

>>714573359
They don't? For games requiring huge backends, they spin up a dedicated instance of the game server, on the cloud.

>>714570203
> No one gets hurt by doing this.
Do you even know how much a yacht costs nigger? Just the base cost not even counting operational expenses, crewing aso. Please don’t talk about stuff you have no idea about.

>>714573262
Old CoD servers on Xbox and PS3 are riddled with hacks and viruses now. They will literally control your console.

GTA 5 Online can get you hacked now and it's piss easy 13 year olds are doing it to get them 5 billion

>>714573335
You think New World is launched from NewWorldServer.exe?

>>714570050 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714570183
You think that would really happen? A lobbying group deliberately misconstruing something?

>>714573461
No I meant the lawsuits holding the companies liable for what someone else did using their software.

>>714573351
This whole what-aboutism seems to miss the point entirely.
Here's a >food analogy that should help illustrate the point.
Imagine people were keeling over from eating cakes, and someone proposed a law to punish the bakers for making cakes that killed people. And in response someone came along and said "but what about the people making cakes with cyanide?? what are they meant to do??"
Yeah. That's the fucking point. Stop doing that.

I have absolutely no doubt that this is going to fail miserably. This is anti-capitalism and gamers have absolutely zero leverage. But seeing normal fucking people saying anything other than DAY OF THE ROPE NOW!!!!!! just makes me sick.

>>714570050 (OP)
>In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
Correct, and this is a good thing. I don't care. If you make a ground up online only piece of dogshit you deserve everything coming to you.
"hey your cds will stop working in 5 months" is not a thing that happens for a reason, your 'notice' is worthless and has zero value

>>714573223
This is a what-if scenario that has already been proven to be unlikely by never having been played out during the '90s or 2000s, when every multiplayer game used dedicated servers.

>Won't somebody PLEASE think of the poor billion dollar companies!?
blow it out your ass

>>714573540
it didn't happen in the 90s or 2000s. It won't happen in 2025.

>>714573535
That's a straw man and you know it. SKG is going to a theatre and demanding a DVD of the performance.

>>714570203
You aren't buying a product but access to a service retard when you buy live service game.

When a restaurant goes out of business, they should be forced to give infrastructure and recipes they use to the public to allow someone else to take the reigns. That's the dumbass equivalent of what you're saying

The main thing is faggots think they're buying a product when they buy online only games. You're not

>>714572850
I've build a server before using old parts which is enough for the needs when I used it and, unless you or your ISP is retarded, it's trivial to set-up a dedicated server for HL, Quake, Gmod, etc.

>>714573607
No it's buying the DVD and EA or some other greedy chuckle fuck corp coming to your house to smash it to pieces because a year passed and it didn't sell enough copies for him to let you keep watching it

>>714573461
The problem with all those isn't the server software being under external control.
The problem with all those is the client software being a piece of shit that implicitly trusts the server and in some cases even downloads 'hot patches' off of it, applying it to the local code on-the-fly leading to the client executing whatever the server tells it without any proper sanitization or sandboxing being present.

This has been a solved problem since Quake, which ran everything in a virtualized sandbox.
Yes. The original Quake. .qvm files are Quake Virtual Machine files.

>>714573492
no i think it runs through magic that no mortal can possibly perform at any scale, you fucking redditor

>>714572951
Then how come all the big multiplayer games over the years with private support haven't gotten into this controversy after 20 years? The only sort of example I can think of is GMOD nazi rp servers and even those didn't reach mass media and just became a youtube thing.

>private servers aren't possible because
How is it I can play an online multiplayer game of some shit released for PC in 1995 then?

>>714573223
Nobody rational would hold corpos liable for private server shit.

>>714573351
what you are saying is correct in the current state of things, but all these problems are made up. the fact that you cannot take a aws setup and running locally in a way that works is not a problem inherent in reality is the way achieving low latency is.

the problems you are describing all arise from the fact that people have moved to the cloud and the cloud has intentionally took away from developers the ability to run their code.

there is no reason for which aws bullshit could not just have been libraries you use/link against that you can stub out and replace when deploying locally. All of that software complexity is fake, just like half of the complexity of writing javascript is fake because javascript was poorly designed.

if this passes, then some cloud provider will just provide a library for game devs that complies with skg, you lean to use it, and that is it.

>>714572850
>Why are you so confident at understanding things you have never researched? The SKG initiative says it's a "trivial" amount of work(it's not).
>old games had all dedicated servers, direct IP LAN, etc.
>2025 devs: No it's too hard.

>>714570050 (OP)
>these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
I already signed it. Quit trying to convince me.

>>714573673
What's funny about this is that once upon a time, a company tried to popularise a VHS tape that self-destructed after you had watched it a set number of times by having a built-in magnet that erased the tape.

>>714573723
Because devs back then could make games without using 15 different amazon web servers and 18 different licensed proprietary tools.

Just realized all of Ubisoft combined costs under 1.5 billion USD.

What the fuck.

>>714573650
>You aren't buying a product but access to a service
Perpetual licenses paid-in-ful up-front are classified as a good in the EU.
There is nothing the EULA can change about that, as the EULA is subservient to the actual law.

>>714570203
What account service would you log into once official servers are down? How do you ensure player data can't be stolen?

>>714570050 (OP)
>online experience is no longer commercially viable

>>714570050 (OP)
OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHA
IT'S OVER

>>714573832
You forget to look at the greater whole:
Why is an account service required in the first place?

using AWS for game backends should probably be a capital offense

>>714573820
Brother, all these studios cost Microsoft 100 BILLION to buy out, and all they've had are flop after flop.

>>714570050 (OP)
Full text pic related

>>714570050 (OP)
Nobody is asking for them to not be able to shut down a service

We are asking them to implement end of life plans such that when games are officially no longer supported that players are still able to access the content they paid for in some way, even if in a degraded state (offline only, etc)

>>714572850
TERA online shut down their PC servers a few years back and on the last day in office some gigachad rebel employee took the server files and uploaded them to a public server as he walked out the door.
If it wasn't for that action the game wouldn't exist, now you or anyone else can host the game yourself and continue playing it.

>>714573832
not my problem

>>714570050 (OP)
>If you stop killing the games you are the enemy

>>714573982
But how can they make sure that people aren't doing malicious shit in their private servers?

>>714573740
>>714573351
In addition, it would also be an option if the devs went "here's 40 dockerfiles, you'll want to host on AWS and need a subscription for, X, Y and Z". Impractical for a single person to run, but enthusiasts could do it or start modifying the server to be more convenient.
That would still give players a better chance to play then the status quo, which is to reverse engineer the entire thing from whatever network packages people happened to save while the game was still up. And if they get too much visibility they get sued for their efforts.

>>714573740
I don't know what you're talking about but AWS has nothing to do with libraries or code
There is nothing you can do in AWS that you can't do locally, aside from scale, and in this case that literally does not matter in the slightest because nobody is asking for replacement cloud servers

>>714573734
>Nobody rational would hold corpos liable for private server shit.
That means private servers shouldn't be allowed in the US.

>But what about
>Well they could...
NO
IF I CAN'T RUN YOUR SERVER ON MY COMPUTER BY RUNNING ./server.sh AND FORWARDING A PORT ON MY ROUTER
YOU ARE GOING IN THE WOOD CHIPPER
ITS NOT MY JOB TO TELL YOU HOW

>>714570203
>No one gets hurt by doing this.

>cant guarantee player safety on private servers - you could get your data leaked or money stolen! or see foul language!
>releasing server code can hurt other existing products that share it, as hackers will see where to attack!
>its very expensive to modify the code to run without proprieteray third party licenses!
>have to hire expensive experts to perform the code migration to allow for private servers!
>the reputation of the brand and publisher can be harmed by private servers doing a bad job, or introducing racist or pornographic elements to the visually recognizable game!
>government forcing intellectual property sharing is theft, and communism!
>having to compete with private servers (which the publisher paid to make possible!) will hurt the publisher's other products! double loss!
>releasing a branded product may be used in court to push for further intellectual property loss! "you made it public" type arguments!
>releasing the software in the public might get the publisher sued from other property holders, liek crossovers with other brands, or licensed music, etc.
>having to release cloud server services or configurations can be bad for security, or even illegal depending on licenses!

>>714573557
>Only billion dollar companies release multiplayer games

"you dont understand!!! 2deep4u!!!1"
nice response fags. our counter offer, bend over you faggot

>>714574045
Install a camera in every apartment and home

>>714574069
that is almost what i am saying. i am saying that today people write their server stack in a way that is hard to move away from aws because aws has been designed to move away from, because they have written the code in a way that assumes aws is there, and because they have put not thought into anything else.

that is a architectural problem insurmountable for a currently existing game, but it is not a big deal if a cloud provider offers the tool for compliance and/or you design it from the start right.

>>714573962
This is the most retarded thing i have ever read.
The struggle is real, and they try everything from fearmongering to missinformation.

First of all, when the game is dead, its dead. But they keep talking like they still have to support it. what the heck?

Just make dedicated server and dont care anymore, its not your tea anymore...

>>714570905
You're not getting official private servers for mmos because you're not entitled to it, and because regulations for muh children participating in an always online game exist. Also pay to win scams that private servers usually are, are hosted in shithole countries where kikes like molten-wow can get away with scamming.

>>714574150
noooo releasing overwatch_srv.zip would ruin us

Yep, it's dead. Best you can achieve is a mandatory disclaimer stating the number of years the dev agrees to provide service.

>>714574223
*aws has been designed to be hard to move away from

>>714570050 (OP)
Its hilarious seeing companies show their true colors when it comes to how much they actually hate gamers.

>>714572850
>>714572228
>containerise the server instances
>rent remote servers
>???
>profit
Modern cloud has made self hosting trivial

>>714573750
Ah, nothing new has been added to games in 20 years. Nothing at all has changed.

If you want to play games in the style of 20 year old games, why don't you play 20 year old games?

change BUY to SUB for the rent option.
SUB a game in the steam libary for one month/$10
Get a whole year plan for just $80

If the game ends within that time you get your money back.

>Private servers will leak your data
>Meanwhile
>Steam
>Sony
>CDPR
>Nintendo
>Activision Blizzard
>EA
>Capcom
>Epic
>Ubisoft

>all have had massive data breaches

>>714574191
>>having to compete with private servers (which the publisher paid to make possible!) will hurt the publisher's other products! double loss!
That one is hilarious because if the game didn't make enough money to keep the servers running surely it's not going to cut into whatever other thing they are doing. You can't have it both ways.

>>714570050 (OP)
It's so sad seeing after getting all those signatures, this is all the European governing body has to say? Fuck it really is over guys...

>>714574240
read >>714574191

>>714574310
Okay sure they've gotten worse than they were 20 years ago in almost every conceivable way but consumer protections are important

>>714574280
Hate petulant children you mean

>>714572228
Good morning sar.

>>714574387
weak falseflag kys

>>714570050 (OP)
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.

>>714574191
>releasing server code can hurt other existing products that share it, as hackers will see where to attack!
The cynic in me says that what devs are actually worried about is the straight up stolen code that the outsourced contractors copy-pasted from a random github account.
Or that all their microtransaction will be massively devalued when people get admin access to the old games'.

You will not be able to buy Crew III

Instead you can SUB the game for a full 3 year plan for just $120 or a monthly $10

what is so hard about this?

>>714574310
let's hear of the incredible innovations that make it impossible to run overwatch servers on just any modern desktop computer

>>714574361
>>Private servers will leak your data
How should this happen anyway. I share less data with a dedicated server than with the online service of some fucking publisher

>>714574384
>GAME doesn't sell well at $70
>GAME 2 comes out for $80
>GAME is made free via the private servers
>at least some people who wouldn't have bought GAME, but would have bought GAME 2, now play GAME for free

I can see this number of people being greater than zero, or even significant.

>>714572951
Post nose.

>>714572228
Private server and rebuilds of Dragons Dogma Online is doing exactly this right now though. A schziopehic mess of code from a singleplayer game turned into an MMO is being self run by passionate individuals. Give people the tools and someone will do it.

you cant sell something under the impression of owing the product

you have to change the model on how you sell it, use a rent model.

>>714570203
Okay, now try to explain that to some old fart in the european parliament.

>>714574387
This isn't the EU. It's lobbyists, These are the heads of their board.
>WB Games
>Epic Games
>EA
>Activision
>Embracer
>Microsoft
>Nintendo

>>714574517
sucks to suck

>>714574469
>Or that all their microtransaction will be massively devalued when people get admin access to the old games'.
I am shocked that law allows publishers to just shut down games where you can buy skins, hats, clothes, etc, without even giving you the option to export your character as an .xml or something.
Literally stolen money, without even weaseling out with a text file representation of what was stolen. Or, fuck, a website where you can log in and see a 3D model of what you bought, even if unable to play it, just to say that you still have access to the thing you paid for.

>>714574593
Are these real names of real people? Asking for a friend.

>>714574581
to be fair, in their own document they say that games are a work of art that is worthy of being in a museum, and that they are destroying them for profit.

it is not very strong their case

>>714574191
Sounds like these people are just utterly incompetent and incapable of doing their job. This new law causing such worthless companies to go out of business sounds like exactly how capitalism is supposed to work.

>>714574629
Yes, they're the board of directors for Video Games Europe
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-board/

>>714574621
basically an exit scam

>>714574579
Retarded niggers like Ross read the word "mmo" on the box art and see the always online shit plaster all over it, and then have the audacity to cry out their bums when the servers shut down. It's a skill issue.

>>714574387
This isn't a response from the European Union, its a response from the game publisher lobby. Its EA, Activision, etc, people.

>>714574570
Yeah dude, I know p. servers build for a monolith. I've worked my arse off for the WAR rebuild, it's 100% monolith.

It's just not how things are done anymore. I prefer monolith development. But if you want raw speed, scalability, and stability, microservices are just too easy.

I love private servers, they exist for basically every decent game that has died. Because they're legal to make, and they preserve what the community loved about the game.

>>714574697
Yes, and the shocking thing is that it isn't required. Publishers are allowed to scam without even such an exit plan.

>>714570050 (OP)
I get the feeling the industry wants this to pass in some defanged form. They could have killed the movement easily if they wanted.

>ignore any points SKG makes, target their supporters instead
>paint Ross as a creep to discredit him, maybe even throw in some pedophilia allegations
>paint the movement as an alt-right movement targeting primarily woke games
>play up the harassment of PirateSoftware
>write a whole bunch of articles calling gamers entitled and bigoted
>play up the reaction to those articles to prove their point
>story breaks into normie spaces, their first impression of SKG is a racist/misogynist harassment campaign
>even if they get all the signatures, the EU drops the initiative because of its bad reputation

>>714574621
But you were warned about the possible end of service beforehand. Spent moneybis entirely on you.

>>714574517
>GAME is made free via the private servers
Stop right there. You would still have to buy GAME even once the developers stopped support of GAME and made server software accessible to users.

>>714574714
That's so fucked, why is the site designed to look just like a government site?

>>714574593
>>714574693
Fucking AI generated names, what is this

>>714574713
i'll just reiterate what someone posted above: that's nice; now bend over

>>714574783
try to take a guess. they posted their answers during US working hours too

>>714574796

>>714574751
This is AAA publishers we are talking about. Expect them to come out in 6-8 years and tell us that they fired all the people working on doing these things.

>>714574827
You're a faggot.

>>714574783
Because the lobby wants to look official, state-like, authoritative, even if its just a consulting firm.

>>714570050 (OP)
>rights holders are legally liable for community content on privately hosted servers
Their only defence is a bold faced lie.

>>714574751
It already is happening, gaming journalists are slowly turning this into another Gamergate by showing Asmongold and Pewdiepie as the face of this "controversial" movement.

>>714574387
It's a lobbyist group, see >>714574593

>>714574838
Bro who names their kids Cinnamon Woodlife or Jamal Jimal

>>714574859
Too little too late. The battle will take place in Brussels now

>>714570050 (OP)
IT'S NOT PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE TO MAKE

JESUS CHRIST

>>714574751
they've tried all of those things though but failed
they've spammed cp
they've spammed strawman arguments
they've tried to politicize it (saying it's both commie and alt-right)
they've tried to shift the narrative
they've tried everything they can
we won.

>>714574517
I mean, officially only the people who bought game1 are supposed to be able to play it. Having dedicated servers does make it more viable to pirate but it's not the same as "making game free". The only way it makes sense is if you think you are entitled to everyone who bought GAME to buy GAME2 too or it's a "loss".
If people are flocking to pirate GAME1 over GAME2 maybe you are just a moron and should have tried dropping the price before killing it or they would have never paid for either anyway.

>>714574751
Rossman from Right-To-Repair already said this is the start. It will be years of struggle, and one of the pitstops is the governemnt adopting a mutiliated version of what you wanted.

Ross of Freeman's Mind already about to tap out, he did not sign up for this.

>>714574593
Of course the biggest cancer in the industry will lobby against SKG.

>>714574859
I just read the article and it was pretty bland and factual. I didn't see any embellishments or falsehoods. They used that pic for clickbait.

>>714574851
Must read: How to make sure your products are Ready for SKG™
https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Zip-File

Even if this results in legislation it will just be publishers having to slap a "Service Only Guaranteed Until [Date]" disclaimer on their store page.

>>714574986
>>714574769
Open Morrowind, an alternative modern engine for Morrowind, does require you link the original game to prove a purchase before you can use it. So there's precedent for third party software validating your purchase.

>>714575017
Keep crying about your dead mmo like an autistic faggot.

>>714574621
Consider that in the gacha genre, this can easily means thousands of dollars that just up and vanish.
Now remember the Metaverse push from Zuckerberg. Creating a place where they get to sell you virtual versions of everything you already own, ever chair, box, comb, dumbell, garden hoe, etc., charging insane prices for an entry in a database and rotating everytime a new graphical update comes out or your chair gets powercrept. We need initiatives like SKG to smother this shit in the crib.

>>714575016
They know people won't read the article, the way they presented the clickbait is the most important part.

>>714572228
>How does a player host a distributed server?
you run the server.exe on your computer, but before you do that you configure the server_config.ini file with the name of the server, ports, etc.
wow!

>>714574976
unlike america we have democracy which means we can behead the rich once they start working against our interests. we don't worship billionaires here

>>714575123
Aren't asmongold and the other guy insanely popular?

>>714570050 (OP)
>combat unsafe community content
You can't have private servers because somebody might say nigger

>>714573428
lmao
for dauntless on our E3 expo we ran the server severs on a barebones dogshit laptop we yoinked from the office
i don't think i've worked for a single company that didn't have a braindead retard friendly developer server that you'd just run a docker or single batch file to rev up

>>714570203
But then how will people saying nigger get banned?

>>714575178
A screenshot of World of Warcraft, with everyone being called Nigger1, Nigger2, Nigger3, and watermellons around them, would legitimately harm Blizzard's brand. This would hold up in court.

>>714574045
Nobody cares, retard

You are a Jewish industry shill

>>714575160
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0AvFyYAmE&list=RDsv0AvFyYAmE&start_radio=1
BASED

>>714574751
Yeah because if they let a neutered version pass it'll probably be enough for this to stop and then they can business as usual. Even if it doesn't they can just point to it forever and say what they passed us enough. These types of things are all or nothing and the all is going to be years of these lobbyists just wearing Ross down

>>714573223
I played quake and my computer turned into a lovecraftian horror, save me niggerman

>>714574986
>should have tried dropping the price
Playing devils advocate here: it's not the price that's keeping me out of live service games, it's them being designed around wasting time and making me addicted to the cash shop.
If the fans take all the cash shop items and distriubte them as normal rewards in the game, as if it were an old school single player game, that will be a much, much more interesting game. Hell, imagine in the gacha where you just unlock characters as you get them in the story instead of story and gameplay being completely disconnected.

>>714575154
lost technology.

>>714575226
It's over skgsisters...

>>714574991
>Ross of Freeman's Mind already about to tap out, he did not sign up for this.
He literally did

>>714575163
The left really hates Asmongold and Pewds.
This will make SKG seem like another gamergate.

>>714575316
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714575039
A lot of projects like this make you do at least some token effort to prove you own the original game to cover their bases or just because they are moralfags about it.

>>714575226
I had a Human Paladin called Flodareltih... got banned after 5 months.

>>714573915
>Why is an account service required in the first place?
Because the live service metagame relies on tracking your progress over time, earning and purchasing items. Stats and item ownership need to be validated by a central server so players can't cheat.

>>714575316
It's fucking over! Shut it down, shut it all down!

>>714570463
>time has come for the common man
>posts a bunch of inner city elites taking power

>>714575375
>Stats and item ownership need to be validated by a central server so players can't cheat.
dude. anti cheat software is client side.

>>714575375
nobody wants anticheat stuff, it is in the FAQ i think

>>714575336
Nah they can't make it work this time around. All they have left is ai slop generators that nobody gives a shit about.

>>714575254
yes the streets will run red with the blood of ceos

>>714575017
You should realize, if this movement wants source code or trade secrets, it's completely dead in the water.

Kill game devs. Behead game devs. Roundhouse kick a game devs into the concrete. Slam dunk a game devs nepobaby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy devs. Defecate in a game dev's food. Launch game devs into the sun. Stir fry game devs in a wok. Toss game devs into active volcanoes. Urinate into a game dev's gas tank. Judo throw niggers into a wood chipper. Twist niggers heads off. Report niggers to the IRS. Karate chop game devs in half. Curb stomp pregnant game devs Trap game devs n quicksand. Crush game devs in the trash compactor. Liquefy game devs in a vat of acid. Eat game devs. Dissect game devs. Exterminate game devs in the gas chamber. Stomp game devs skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate game devs in the oven. Lobotomize game devs. Mandatory abortions for game devs. Grind game devs fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown game devs in fried chicken grease. Vaporize game devs with a ray gun. Kick old game devs down the stairs. Feed game devs to alligators. Slice game devs with a katana.

>>714572606
>>714572951
>company adds line in their million page, required to accept on startup EULA that they're not responsible for players experience on privately hosted servers
Boom, and their hands are clean of it. Literally no excuses

>>714575370
I got banned in early WoW for writing "kniga" (book in Bulgarian, but apperantly looks like nigga) in chat too many times.
GM contacted me to stop, I said its literally the word for book, and I am asking where I can find some book in the game, he said oh ok, and next day I was banned lmao
Had to have email conversations with admins to get my account back. And this was early WoW, before the expansions. It was always like that.

>>714575254
for me it's heckerlied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likjD3lME7Q

>>714575528
Shit like this is why I can't take the SKG movement seriously. Wtf am I reading...

The FUD campaign has now begun though I have some faith the EU will see through this bullshit.

>>714570203
>They fail to even understand the proposal they're lobbying against
They know exactly, their point is just the fuck up goyim and consume the next product.

>>714575595
Lurk ten thousand years before posting
Summer

>>714575540
He banned you for being bulgarian, which was likely the correct thing to do.

>>714575595
I read that post too and now me and all my family have revoked their signature. Thanks for giving us a heads up of this rotten behavior. I no longer believe in this movement.

>>714575595
Nigger copypasta, but he can't say the nigger word because he's a dicless eunuch.

>>714574593
>All are european names
>The microsoft guy is a pajeet
KINO

>4chan
>reddit
>resetera
>normies
>all working hand in hand together for one goal
it's like gaming occupy the wall street. I hope we wont be divided again with lgbt or maga bullshit. We are one /v/olk!!!

>make an online centric game
>it dies so you shut down the servers
>you need to pull it off the storefronts and it will never generate any revenue
vs
>make an online centric game with an EoL plan
>it dies, you shut down your servers but players can still enjoy it offline or by hosting their own servers
>you only need to put up a warning about your servers' closure on the storefronts and reduce the price if you're generous
>game can still collect pennies for no additional cost instead of a fat 0 dollars
These lobbying bozos are retarded. Having Game 1 being available when Game 2 comes out doesn't butcher the sales of the latter. If anything people might be more incentivized to buy Game 2 after trying Game 1, especially if they follow the same story.

>>714575590
based

>>714575701
>occupy cringe and tea faggotry
Kill yourself faggot. It's the kikes.

Nothing ever happens.
Nothing will change for the better.

>>714575762
>Nothing ever happens.
to you

>>714570050 (OP)
>Player data and censorship wouldn't be present anymore and would leave rights holders liable
No it wouldn't, they are liable for your servers only

Well then now that your only concern is settled, we can have private servers, we good?

>>714575762
thats what they want you to believe so you don't behead them

I can't even name a single game that had its servers taken down, besides flops like Lawbreakers.

>>714573962
Just the title of it is already misleading. Providing contuniued support to dead games is not what this is about.

>>714575701

>>714575762

>>714575861
warcraft 3 was destroyed 20 years later release to move people to warcraft 3 reforged

>>714570203
No, anon, you're the one deliberately ignoring what they're saying. According to them, private servers aren't good because "protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist"
That's what Ross' friends should be getting ready to debate, and just saying "lmao that's bull get fucked" isn't going to work

>>714570050 (OP)
I like the visibility this is getting here but trying to give a measured response to this or what I see the anti-SKG anons post, even the dumbest ones, takes comparatively so much more effort and therefore time.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm starting to feel frustrated I haven't just saved response posts by other anons and myself to copy and paste as a response to many of the very similar posts I keep seeing here or type out and save my responses to more interesting posts even if the thread dies.

>>714575439
If the number of virtual money you've earnt is saved locally, nothing would stop you from editing that number while the game is off and booting up again afterwards with more money. Anticheat won't fix that, encryption would be cracked if people care enough
client side data can never be trusted, anticheat doesn't fix everything

>>714572951
Does this happen with Quake? Halo? The multitude of other old multiplayer games where players run the servers?

Everytime these schizo scenarios come up, we can just look at the old online games that work and see if its true or not

>>714575902
Warcraft 3 Reforged is just Warcraft 3 with graphics toggle.

>>714575884
sleep tite bun bun

>>714575663
or maybe because the context of the thread is about devs not niggers you window licking retard

>>714575936
Even Tactical Ops mod for UT99 (not the standalone) has still servers.

>>714575949
and half the online features removed.

>>714570203
They're not "failing to understand" anon, they're INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting it.

>>714570203
Basically its a big trade secret that these games largely profit from doing illegal activities with players' personal and financial information

Total SKG Death
#killgames

>>714576017
They added more features.

>>714575949
not true, they changed the campaign, rebalanced and removed features. it is a different game that should have been a different product, but it instead destroyed the old product and then was abandoned.

>>714575932
Why does it matter whether I cheat in an offline, single player game?

>>714574197
>can anyone name all those multiplayer indie games from poor developers that can't be arsed to make dedicated servers and aren't in early access or just straight up clone of the other popular game?
>crickets

>>714576079
Actually they came back and added an AI upscaled graphics mode too

>>714576047
the dealing of personal information is already regulated in the EU. americans make fun of us having to click cookies when in fact they are the stupid cattle

>>714575375
>Stats and item ownership need to be validated by a central server so players can't cheat.
This only tracks for a massively multiplayer online title that uses a central economy, or for a game that is relying on the sale of premium skins and wants to prevent them being pirated.

So let me ask again, slightly more specific this time:
WHY is an account service IN GENERAL required in the first place - for all the OTHER genres?

>>714575741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkojJ8cX4To

>>714576079
How was old WC3 destroyed? I have it sitting on my discs on my shelf, if I recall it had LAN and direct connect functions and everything

>>714576146
>https://eurobattle.net/

>>714576079
It's better product now. Having to play the same 15 year old meta was not fun anymore.

>>714576146
yeah that works, but if you bought it on steam you got upgraded to the reforged version.

>>714570203
>No one gets hurt by doing this.
What about the company whose clients will keep playing Slop 1 for free instead of buying battle passes for Slop 2 the Reckoning? Do you want them to die? You scum

>>714576107
I'm talking about online live service games, not offline single player games which inexplicably require an internet connection

>>714575936
People weren't maliciously trying to send viruses through them in the 90s and 2000s. People are way more smarter now. You'll get crypto miners on PCs. It's like running Windows 7 in 2025. Put it online and you'll get tons of viruses because Microsoft stopped working on it.

>>714570050 (OP)
>>714570050 (OP)
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
No it wouldn't dumbass, that's the whole point of making laws and regulations to PREVENT this kind of shit.

>n addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
That's on fucking them, they're the ones creating a "numbers must go up game" so they should know the game can potentially die EVEN TODAY. Creating regulations to what can be done with the property AFTER the fact has nothing to do with it.

Can anyone name this magical hypothetical game that uses Microsoft Azure, AWS and twelve other different arcane bespoke third party server software that also somehow completely prevents private servers being made?

>I'm a dev and for my game which I will not mention because I'd dox myself and
I don't care. Name the game where this is a problem.

>>714575595
Take that ferret out yo bussy, playa

>buy switch 2 game key card
>Nintendo is now forced to keep up the servers indefinitely

How would that be possible?

>>714576057
So now 4 years after release, they have almost added back what was there 25 years ago. They really do deserve all the money in the world for their generous behaviour.

>>714576181
Is this AI post?

>>714576181
my bad, i meant, if you buy the digital key from wherever you buy it

>>714570203
they don't fail to understand it, they understand it perfectly well, but they're doing a pirate and trying to discredit SKG by pretending it says they have to host servers forever. see this constantly in anyone whos a dev and is against SKG, none of them argue in good faith.

>>714576240
Did they make the Switch 2 so it doesn't work without central server connections? How irresponsible of them

>>714574838
They turned her into a chair?

the industry hates that games can live forever already, so they made it where it fully ends so people can't buy in for cheap

>>714576243
Without Reforged and what happened after it, I and many others would never gotten back to the game so yes I think that in the end it was a good thing.

>>714576240
I am mostly interested in that effect SKG will have on Nintendo and Gacha

>>714576240
read again, retarded tendie consoomer

>>714576207
Hmm I've never experienced anything like this with older multiplayer games, and I've certainly never heard of any bad PR or lawsuits for devs of those games, so I don't think this angle works to justify letting the games die

>>714576198
Okay but we're talking about games that will no longer have online live service

>>714576305
they could have just made a different product and have achieved the same result

>>714576305
And they needed to delete the old game from existence to achieve that why?

>>714576301
>my mmo got shut down
>this is literally rape and genocide
Shut up faggot.

>>714576207
People WERE trying to send shit through them back in the 90s and 2000s. But the game clients back then were properly encapsulated. Shit like Quake ran its actual client inside a basic virtual machine, running aside the game engine, which had very, VERY limited and shielded access to things like the file system.

Contrast to nowadays with everything just run in-process directly - having access to anything and everything - and servers being able to push 'hot patches' to clients to download and apply to their running executable image on-the-fly; directly executing untrusted code pumped in from the network no-questions-asked.

Modern game devs are I-D-I-O-T-S.

>>714576357
>they could just outdone Warcraft 3
There's too much nostalgia and setting tied to that game which makes it impossible to outdo it in the eyes of its players.

>>714576212
if genshin and zzz can be emulated on private servers, i'm really struggling to wonder what fucking Ubishit game is somehow even more complex from a multiplayer standpoint?

>>714576209
>That's on fucking them, they're the ones creating a "numbers must go up game"
no no you see it's the gamers fault, they're not happy with no owning anything, they need to fix that attitude and buy some more mtx

>>714576308
There's a handful of gachas that offered offline versions after shutting down, and also a bunch that have (reverse engineered) private servers up.

>>714576393
It's not deleted. You can still play all the old versions. Just not over battle.net. It only had a handful of russians playing dota allstars before this fiasco to begin with. And now it has much more players.

>>714576450
>since i cannot compete with my own previous products, i need to destroy them so i can sell more
people are signing up to skg to get people like you to fuck off.

>>714576465
>I'm really struggling to wonder what fucking Ubishit game is somehow even more complex from a multiplayer standpoint?
No one cares about the ubishit mmo, so they're crying because no one wants to reverse engineer it. It's all cope, if people cared about the game you would already see a private server for the pc version at the very least.

>(((lobbying))) is not bribery chud. Stop being anti-semitic.

>>714574593
You forgot about
>Ubisoft
>Sony
>Take 2

>Sqaure Enix (not Square Enix)
>game
>SELL

>>714570050 (OP)
SKG is a desperate last desperate effort of boomers to fight a reality younger generations have already accepted.

>>714575701
Occupy Wallstreet was poisoned hard in the city near me, they pitched up for weeks, had food carts to feed everyone, the whole shebang. The city/jews in charge got tired of it, rounded up tons of the homeless around town with the police and moved them and their tent camps to their protest areas, financially stressing the people providing the free food and scaring away the people who'd bring their families along and hangout there, because nobody wants their kids around tweaking junkies.

>>714576540
>It's not deleted, you just can't play the copy you bought any more and you need to pirate it instead

>>714576559
You can't just outdo peoples nostalgia memories. And it's not destroyed.

>>714570050 (OP)
That's crazy man, who would have thought Video Games "Europe" would be against this?

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>714576587
I think making working private servers should be even easier. It took Wildstar years to make private servers, and they're not up to par when it comes to scripting.

>>714576607
>Sqaure Enix
What the fuck is this?

>>714576691
No... Not SEGA too

>>714576724
Easy guilt by association
Its pretty hard to actually paint the goal a consumer rights movement in a negative light

>>714576691
the usual suspects...

>>714576643
It's not pirating because you still need the original CD key. https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/wc3-download-archive-1-00-1-31-1-beta-demo.326836/

>>714576774
They were seething so hard typing so fast they made multiple typos in the website

>>714576774
List of the people paying bribes to politicians.

>>714576079
They also changed the EULA so they can take ownership of any fanmade content to make sure another Dota doesn't happen.

>>714576607
>no CDPR
>no Larian

>>714576835
I remember when they pulled the same shit when the Truck drivers were protesting shit pay and working conditions.
The media went full force on them, changing the narrative into an alt-right protest.
Shit is so fucked, these fuckers play dirty.

>>714576678
> On October 3, 2024, Blizzard disabled macOS support for Warcraft III: Reforged by remotely deleting the game's executable from players' Mac computers.[17] Subsequent statements by Blizzard representatives referenced an unspecified "issue" with the game on the Mac.[18] macOS support was restored in the 2.0 patch released on November 13
lmao

come on man, i understand that you like reforged, but it is fairly obvious that the fact that blizzard even contemplated doing what has done should not be tolerated

>>714570203
>No one gets hurt by doing this
Big corpos will lose money because they know very well that the current slop they produce cannot compete with their predecessors, thus the constant need to kill off older releases whenever something new is published.

>>714576765
Of course they aren't, they have to reverse engineer the whole game from scratch because it's all server side. WoW is a decades old open source project now with multiple forks being worked on daily.

>>714576997
You assume malice (low iq)

>>714570862
The only case I can remember is a love live mobile game releasing and at the same time announcing it's EoS date.

>>714576308
Tendie games usually have offline modes or allow the multiplayer to happen locally. This would hardly affect them.

>>714570050 (OP)
Welp, Elon Musk just retweeted the SKG 1 million tweet post.
Gaming journalists will definitely now turn this into another Gamergate.

>>714576691
yeah, there's not a single truly european company there.
>embracer, publicly traded, saudis own a big portion
>supercell, owned by china
>ubisoft publicly traded, 10% owned by china
>ESL, owned by saudis
all others aren't even nominally european

Can someone explain to me why in an industry that has spent years hiring people and firing them as soon as they finished projects it is a bad thing to give them more hours of work and therefore more pay to the devs?

>>714577083
i don't assume malice, i just don't want them to do it, just like i don't want my upstairs neighbor to play the drums at 3 in the morning even if it was not malicious

>>714576997
I don't like "reforged". I like Warcraft 3. And without "reforged" I would never started playing it again. So can I really call it bad then? And if I wanted to be autistic about the versions I can always downgrade and play it offline/LAN.

>>714577128
He had already retweeted something else about it before.

>>714577074
And the stock scripts are still shitty.

>>714570050 (OP)
>however, the decision to discontinue online services is multi-faceted, never taken lightly and must be an option for companies when an online experience is no longer commercially viable.
Sounds like a Yp, not an Mp.

>>714577163
i guess you can call it good and unjust at the same time?

>>714570050 (OP)
commies

>>714577128
>Elon
Oh shit. There goes the movement.

>>714577158
Paying people makes the line go up at a slower rate, can't have that.

>>714570050 (OP)
>remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable
>many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.
wew
>buy car in 2006, love my car
>john honda suddenly decides I don't own my car anymore and takes it away from me
>I ask why
>well, because we're not making this car anymore so if you keep using this car other car makes will have less incentive to make new cars, you're not a monster to stop them from doing that are you?
>also tony there, that also has, sorry, had this car, once flipped a guy and called him a nigger, we cannot allow that so we're taking back every car to keep you protected and safe
>buy our new car btw

>>714574472
People tried to make all manner of wow killers before. They're going to repeat history.

>>714577158
First off this means more work, which ironically the pencil pushers hates because that means they need to employ people for longer.
secondly this means old games are playable meaning theres a chance people won't move over to the new game.
And third yes they hate the idea of spending more money that means less profit.

>>714577158
Nice post on turn over a few days ago.

>>714577595
Turn over is also why unreal engine got pushed hard. NO one has enough time to learn native engines.

>>714577680
all those pictures says are true. but if SKG forces them into actually writing good software instead of just fiddling with unreal engine until it displays what they want, the industry quality will only go up.

>>714570050 (OP)
>Don't you get it? We're taking away your things for your own safety.

>>714577442
>>714577589
>>714577595
>>714577680
As always it all comes down to
>anyone want to think about investors?????

>>714570050 (OP)
Effortlessly btfo. What a bullshit "cause" lmao.

>>714573962
>Why providing continued support do not work for all games
did a jeet write this

>>714570050 (OP)
>oy vey we just can't do it, goy!
fucking kikes

>>714577812
I think they need to prove they can stop leaking data before they accuse other people of having subpar data protection principles.

I thought yuros were based and protek consumers and shit unlike the borgars?

>>714578340
they are, the industry response is from the borgars

>OP hid the names
Why?

>>714578632
>Shekelstein
kek this can't be real

>>714570203
The hilarious part here is that the poos tried to use this as fuel for the demoralization campaign, because it looks like a legitimate EU organ at a glance and you have to dig a little to realize it's just an industry lobby group, only for it to backfire HARD on them.

The lobby group kvetching about it means they believe there's a high chance it will affect change in a way that doesn't benefit them.

>>714570050 (OP)
All very cool. Remember to keep getting more signature though! Involve your parents.

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>714578632
holy shit, it is the IDF itself

>>714578340
>he thinks lobby groups are limited by national borders.

>>714570050 (OP)
Yeah, knew this wouldn't amount to anything.

>>714570183
Now all the retarded bullshit people have said here has to taken seriously as if being a retarded is something of merit.
yay

>ends online
>allows players to enter offline in an empty world even if it doesn't make sense
Why is this so difficult to do?
Nintendo does it and no one cares. Mario Maker 1 is now a game with no meaning. You don't have 99.9999% of its content available because Nintendo shut down the servers. You just enter the game and there's nothing to do, but at least you can create your own levels if you want.

>>714570934
Are you saying "desu" or family?

>>714570050 (OP)
>>714570203
this is lost tech apparently
like also the concept of lan and local hosting

>>714577293
Yeah, pretty much a kiss of death for public opinion in Europe.

>>714578928
Gone are the days you can open the console and type "connect 192.168.0.1" to join a server. You WILL be matchmade and you WILL be locked out when we want you to buy the new game

>>714570203
they do cause no one will buy their fucking slop and they know it.
People stop fucking buying video games anon when they find actually something fun to play for a long time.

im gonna take a shit btw but i havent finished my coffee yet

>>714570861
This isn't corpocuckland. We go by the spirit of the law here. Trying to wordmince a loophole will be taken as malicious compliance and punished accordingly. Which will most likely be whatever you were trying to jew your way out of, plus an additional fine for wasting the courts time.

>>714570203
They're trying to make it sound so stupid like we're petitioning unicorns to be real. silly dumb gamers

>>714570050 (OP)
>combat unsafe community content
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SELF MODERATE PRIVATE SERVERS AFTER WE SHUT DOWN THE GAME
>WE CAN'T CONTROL YOUR SPEECH AND PREVENT YOU FROM DOING HECKIN UNSAFE MICRO-AGGRESSIONERINOS!!!!
>IS THAT... ARE YOU T-BAGGING WITHOUT AN AUTOMATED BAN SYSTEM AND BULL-HEADED DO-NOTHING CUSTOMER SUPPORT TO STOP YOU!?!?!?!? OH MY RIGHT HOLDERS!!!! THE LIABILITIES!!!!!!!!!

>>714570203
>No one gets hurt by doing this.
Corporations want control. An example is Gran Turismo 7, a game that is always online even if you want to play single player mode. The idea is simply to control the experience. Since you have to log in online, everything you do is recorded. If you discover a way to exploit the game mechanics to buy all the cars without any effort (and therefore without spending real money on cars), Sony can use a patch because it knows exactly what you did.

>>714570050 (OP)
Ross said he will upload a new video responding to this today or tomorrow. More content for sloptubers to react to

>>714579182
>T-BAGGING WITHOUT AN AUTOMATED BAN SYSTEM
Is t-bagging banned in modern games? Or is it just a joke?

>>714570203
Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>714578904

>>714579282
You actually will get banned if people report you for t-bagging and if you contact customer support over it, saying you didn't say any no-no words and they can check the logs they will uphold that ban. It's considered "unsportsmanlike behaviour" lol.

>>714579019
Not really. Ever since the relationship between Musk and Trump went tits up, Europeans have been waiting for Musk to figure out how to put a dagger in Trump's back and get away with it.
This might be it.

>>714579182
I will have fun with my friends in a private server
and we WILL say nigger to eachother multiple times

>>714570463
You should read about Robespierre and the reign of terror before you post that shit

>>714570050 (OP)
WHY WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE POOR INNOCENT CORPORATIONS
WHAT ABOUT THE POOR SHAREHOLDERS
THEY WON'T SURVIVE THE WINTER IF YOU DON'T LET THEM SWINDLE YOU
DON'T THINK OF IT AS LOSING YOUR GAMES, THINK OF IT LIKE AN UNEXPECTED DONATION TOWARD A DESERVING MULTI-BILLION DOLLARS COMPANY

>>714579306
Good.
I learned about the filter only last year and now I am on edge about it. thank you for your patience

>>714576607
>wb
>epic
>ea
>activision
>embracer
>microsoft
>nintendo
>sony
>take2
>ubisoft
>bamco
>square enix
>etc
death to all of them

>>714578321
Yup

>>714572846
But then they'd have to put effort into making something that was good enough to compete with the old game, instead of just pushing out more reskinned slop.
Think of the poor publishers man!

>>714573962
Holy fucking corpo speak, the amount of retardation in this is beyond. All of this is uphill battle against "line must go up" people. And lately planned obsolescence in on the rise.

>>714570050 (OP)
who?

>>714575595
They are kids and manchildren, it doesn't matter that thinking the initiative could pass is illogical in this global capitalist system, it would be gay for them to admit it. I don't really care because streamers deserve to be harassed etc. and I would like it to pass because fuck them, but it's obviously not going to pass and you're retarded if you think it will even end up resulting in a little advisory on the box in the future, and even that won't happen.

>>714570203
Again this is never happening, at best you'll get a warning label on live service games. Server code is not something they can distribute legally because it often incorporates third party code they don't own. Its not realistic or feasible to release server code to keep games like this operational.


You'll get something like "This game will expire and you may lose access to it at an unspecified date." somewhere on the box. That's all SKG will amount to. Then its up to the consumer if they still want to buy the game.

>>714570050 (OP)
>Private servers are not always a viable alternative
>Corpos lying
I'm shocked

>>714570050 (OP)
>in compliance with local consumer protection laws
Yeah that's the thing, we're changing those laws

>>714573962
>we are committed to preservation

>>714577092
I vaguely remember that. People poked fun at it but it's genuinely good that an online game transparently admits it has a shelf life and what that life is

>>714580143
It'll also change "buy" to "subscribe" and that's a small win. They'll stop pretending I can "buy" games I don't get to own

>>714573351
good morning sir
using chatgpt to fake knowledge about a topic doesn't mean you actually know anything about said topic

>>714573962
>the video games industry is committed to consistently providing players with high-quality interactive gaming experiences
The first sentence is already a lie.

>>714570463
same monsters will replacing them kek

>>714580347
>It'll also change "buy" to "subscribe"
Can't wait for this to lead to the brainless goycattle to start thinking that it's because of the EU that you can't buy games anymore, only rent them.

>>714580143
>Server code is not something they can distribute legally
proofs? because lots of games allow and have tutorials to host private servers
and even if they don't distribute server code people can create their own servers
and even if there were no servers, they can still allow local play and singleplayer modes. there's literally no reason to brick the game

>>714580491
I don't really care. What's important is that the industry understands that it must live in constant fear of THE GAMER RISING UP. We need to RISE UP just to remind them of that

>>714570050 (OP)
They aren't even trying. I can't even see normies being uninformed enough to swallow this shit.
Everybody knows pretty much every lobby group is nothing but paid shills for corpos

>>714580285
>We are committed to preservation
>Same company 10 years later
>We lost the source code at some point, whoopsie.
Companies have the worst preservation track record imaginable.

>>714570203
You might say nigger in a private server, that's literally a racism and is under no circumstances allowed in current year.

>>714580143
>Server code is not something they can distribute legally because it often incorporates third party code they don't own.
So?
If it's a live service game, then just change the labels from "buy" to "rental" or "subscription", but for non-LS games that still require online for some fucking reason you can just release the server code, who gives a fuck about single player experiences

why is lobbying even legal

>>714580425
good morning saar

>multi-faceted, never taken lightly
Yeah, can fuck right off with the corpospeak

>>714570050 (OP)
I've never heard of them before, who are they? Who funds them?

>>714580871
Anything is legal if the government look the other way, and you can make them do that with enough money.

>>714580950
cool it with the anti-semitism

>>714580795
>then just change the labels from "buy" to "rental" or "subscription",
Yes, that would solve all the problems. Steam and similar stores could also include a disclaimer stating that it is a service and not a product, and that the game may stop working at any time, with no right to a refund, so buyers would know exactly what they are paying for.

>>714580285
>>714580684
Kek
isn't bungie currently in huge legal trouble because they deleted their own shit and can't prove its theirs anymore?

>>714580950
a lobby formed of the most cancerous videogame companies
basically the final boss of vidya

>>714573812
They tried that shit with CD/DVDs too. There's always some double nigger manufacturers in every era who pulls this shit and they always fail eventually. It's just digital makes it easy for them to kvech and go "well digital pirates exist you see..." and act like they aren't also trying their damnedest to remove THAT avenue too.

>>714581078
yes, they tried to show old youtube LPs of it and the judge laughed at them.

Judging by the spelling errors in this, it really was written by one of the pajeets that used to shit these threads up. Opinions of these "private groups" are irrelevant, they do not represent the EU law.

>>714580684
Gentle reminder that Konami lost the source code for Silent Hill 2 and 3 and Rockstar lost the source code for GTASA.

>>714580871
Because rich people spent billions of dollars on lobbyists to keep it legal.

>>714581145
The names "goldenstein" and "shekelstein" are also indicative of someone trolling.

>>714580871
Because lobbies are not necessarily malicious. They are basically like unions, but for dealing with politicians instead of companies. Like unions, they can (and often are) used for non-beneficial purposes.

>>714581279
Maybe companies should be required to give the source code to the national libraries to ensure preservation.

>>714570050 (OP)
the momentum is slowing down

>>714580684
They did this to Tim Cain, they told him to delete any and all Fallout code he had when he left interplay. Then sued him for allegedly keeping source code which he had to prove he didn't keep.

Then they call him up and were like "Hey Tim you know that Fallout source code we sued you over allegedly keeping but we couldn't prove? Its been 20 years, water under the bridge about the legal action we took against you, and we want to do a remaster on Fallout 1&2 and you'll never guess this but we lost the source code to both games lol.... you umm got it by any chance?"

>>714573962
>Why providing continued support do not work for all games
>do not work
>do

"does" - fucking idiots didn't even use a basic spell- and grammarcheck...

>>714581484
No one should be forced to hand over their property.

>>714570050 (OP)
>we tried let's move on

>>714570050 (OP)
Nobody cares about "unsafe" bullshit or your censorship.
I guess there is an argument that companies can't keep mmos running forever, and even if they released the code it's likely most mmos would still stay dead, but whatever. There are games that have singleplayer components (Conan Exiles is the one I used to play that is like that) and are still behind online DRM bullshit, and those need to have end of life plans.

>>714581632
Unless they're weak, coincidentally hand over you lunch money twerp.

>>714580491
That would be a good thing because words have power and rent has different connotations attached to it that buy does.

>>714581484
>Noooo, if we release the source code to the public, how are we going to sell you a remastered version in 10 years?
>that's against capitalism, ethics and morals
>what if someone takes it and changes a gay flag? We can't allow that.

>>714581632
Book publishers are also required to provide copies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_deposit

>>714581632
Back to the fridge Walt Disney

>>714572228
Ahem
>faforever.com
Lobby server
chat
matchmaker
ladder
custom maps
custom mods
clans
forums
live replays
replay vault
freaking ICE implementation for improved P2P connectivity
proxy servers
DDoS protection
Deals with Steam and GOG to validate a purchased copy
game patches
custom campaigns
all of it by volunteers for a game that has maybe 1k concurrent players max

>>714581737
It doesn't have to be accessible by the public until the copyright expires or released under an open source license.

the SKG bandwagon crowd is in for an extremely rude awakening if any actual legislation is passed as a result of their autism, indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore, it would be a net loss, AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything

>>714581771
Which is very evil, yes.
Many countries don't even compensate.

Also this would only cover the game not the source code.

>>714581593
Did they really? I know that they wanted to make sure he didn't have the code, but did they really ask him again for the remaster?
lmao

John Deere is in the right, you lost.

>>714570050 (OP)
>if we let other entities host the game, we wouldn't be able to censor you anymore, and that would harm our ESG score
lmao

>>714581907
In case of software, preserving the source code makes a lot more sense than preserving a physical copy.

>>714578106
Dumbass SJW obsessed devs are also downstream of these policies. They're fresh out of college twitter addicts, and they want to both justify their paycheck and the paycheck of those around themsevles (hire more women to ensure the game isn't sexist or bigoted!), and because they want to impress their buddies on twitter because twitter addiction.

So while idiot no nothing devs do take a huge amount of blame, so to do the higher ups. I almost think of society as a conspiracy by everyone to make everything as bad as possible.

>>714581887
>indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore
which indie multiplayer only games would we be missing?

>>714581593
It is at this point that Cain should've told them he didn't - but still had some personal notes around that he hadn't been court-ordered to get rid of, and could probably recreate a close enough approximation of the original code given enough time to work on it -- as long as someone would be covering for his bills...

fleece the fleecers!

>>714581860
That is, in about 100 years
There are about 10 remasters and 5 remakes.

>>714581887
>Spending a few days working up a sunsetting plan is going to be more expensive than the potential market of the entire EU
This is probably the most retarded angle the shill jeets are taking.

>>714582154
Better yet
Which multiplayer-only Indie that requires million-dollar servers to run?

>>714581969
Yes, he mentioned it in one of his vlogs. The lost source code is why they never made a Fallout 1/2 remaster collection, they were going to make one for the 20th anniversary, so circa 2018 but didn't have the source code and it was deemed too expensive to reverse engineer the game from the ground up for a remaster so it never happened.

>>714570050 (OP)
Oh no! You losers have a new villain to obsess over? Gave up on harassing the streamer already?

>>714582324
stop noticing things chud

>>714570050 (OP)
>>714570203
this is honestly a valid point though
look at how much trouble the hot coffee mod caused for Rockstar. In terms of legal argument they have a solid case that it could be harmful to them and consumers.

>>714570183
>>714570203
It's more that the makers and supporters of SKG never wanted to consider these things.

>>714582562
hot coffee mod has created by the devs

MMOs might be a lost cause at large, because even if they release the source code, the game might not get enough attention for a private server, or private servers might get shut down, whatever.
But there needs to be a push of making games, singleplayer ones, the ones that have signleplayer modes, ones that could be played in LAN, behind always online DRM, turning you into a renter.
>but piracy
Sure, piracy often helps very much for preservation, but legally speaking end of life plans would ensure that those games are accessible in the future.

>>714572850
>it's easy
yes you fucking faggot. if indie devs like redigit and mojang were able to, then anyone can

>>714582413
I see two threads on Jason going on right now, actually.

>>714582773
*push againt

>>714570050 (OP)
>We welcome the opportunity to discuss our position with policy makers and those who have led the European Citizens Initiative in the coming months.
Why? These guys are irrelevant. Nobody wants to hear their jewery.

>>714572974
>I've seen a point made about accessing player credentials
absolute bullshit because you'd have your savefile with a profile name at best. or you'd have a separate save per server
anyway, you'd connect to a server via IP or through a server browser. it'd work similar to wiimfi
I'm getting sick of flimsy, underhanded excuses

>>714582773
I don't see a lost cause. Even if the MMO doesn't have enough support, at least the player can remember the game and do the quests as a singleplayer experience. Like sometimes I play Rust alone
also I cannot think on the back of my mind any MMO who wouldn't have at least a tight knit community. Wildstar which I played I still have a community. Still alive, people Tibia up to this day. Only something very obscure would stay truly dead

>>714581887
A market with less competitors will just have new businesses filling the void. Think of all the pihranabytes tier eurojank that would spawn.

>>714573501
What indie developers are making games that require hosting that don't rely on the community to eat those costs? As if the dev for Giggly Girl Ganza version 0.1c made some viral game millions of people played reliant on their own hosting to run the damn thing.

At this point, anyone bitching about developer costs is really bitching about publisher costs. Oh no, the poor publishers who don't give a shit about gamers are upset people are tired of buying games that shut down in a few years.

>>714583034

>>714572709
goy you're being especially anti-semetic today. if you don't stop this, we'll have to pay you a visit and teach you some manners

How does this save videogames?

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/the-eu-wants-to-decrypt-your-private-data-by-2030

I’d love this for old mmos, which in a way is already happening with private servers

>>714583225
Thank you for the link, I'll oppose this as well

Apparently the initiative is worded so well that the EU is now using it as one of the examples in their guides to making citizen's initiative:
https://citizens-initiative-forum.europa.eu/document/how-draft-initiative-legal-requirements-and-practical-advice_en#ref-2-initiative-details

Seems like it wasn't vague at all. Lol.

>>714582893
Anon, they're the liason for pretty much every developer who releases games in Europe.
And just in case you're too pajeet for that sentence it's not every developer in Europe but every developer who chooses to release a game in Europe.

>>714570203
>fail to
Feigning ignorance is the most prized tool in the worm-tongued psychopathic subhumans'>>714570050 (OP)
arsenal

>>714583020
Depends if you can run the dead mmo yourself easily or not. A lot of revived mmos are still reliant on somebody running the private server and if that goes down it's dead again. It's just too reliant on external servers and game design might also be made in such a way to some of the game might not be playable because it requires a party of players and so on, so there would be a need to introduce things like bots, or balancing options/cheat mode or something like that.
Really, it's a mess in my eyes when it comes to mmos, it's really the renter genre to begin with.
But what needs to be fought back is mmofication and games as service model infesting singleplayer games. Where they try to lock your game down, squeze money out of you like it's a service, not a product, even though you might be only playing singleplayer component of the game. And of course, also endangering the game preservation if it requires external server.

>>714583368
>so well
>doesn't convey what was wanted
And people think the EU isn't a joke.

>>714570203
They understand. They're pretending to be retarded and gaslighting.

>>714583225
People in lobbyist group pushing this are all REDACTED SCP style lmao

>>714583368
The clowns who shout that nothing will happen out of this are in for a rude awakening.
The EU already has the propensity to regulate corporations heavily when it comes to consumer protection. They just need an excuse.
They will jump all over this.

>>714570526
That's literally all it boils down to. Car manufacturers would cream themselves if they could just legally brick your old car so you HAVE to buy their new one. Gaming is the only industry that gets to practice planned obsolescense in broad daylight without even pretending. Of course corpos will do everything to keep this privilege.

>>714583504
>ESL can't understand basic english

>>714574593
>KundraTITZ

>>714570526
>Having to compete against old games is BAD.
the music industry competes against old music (see itunes and other music stores)
the film industry competes against older movies (see the film catalog of streaming services)
why should gaming be the exception?

>>714581553
Doesn't matter, even if we go back to 20k a day we have whole ass month. Plus Ross will release a video responding to lobby group which will get reacted by Asmongold and etc etc

>>714583845
>ESL
This is a thread about a European initiative, of course a lot of us here are ESL, fucking retard.
Do you want this to pass or not?

>>714573962
>The video games industry is committed to consinstently providing players with high-quality interactive gaming experiences...
Stopped reading there. lol get fucked.

>>714570050 (OP)
The games that are actually online can be negotiated.
Can be just a "release all the relevant files of the game".
Now single player games that require online just to "check validity" should be illegal.

>>714583746
>The EU already has the propensity to regulate corporations heavily when it comes to consumer protection.
The real hurdle here is that this isn't really about consumer protection. It's not like any of this was hidden from the consumer after all and they still chose to buy games like that anyway.

>>714584056
I hate everything about this post.
Your life is literally controlled by your YouTube overlords

>>714583504
>>doesn't convey what was wanted
? Anon whoever wrote that summary understood it PRECISELY. What makes you say that?

>>714571717
>As rightsholders and economic entities, video games companies must remain
>free to decide when an online game is no longer commercially viable and to end continued server support for that game.
they can't have it both ways. either you give a tentative end of service date (that can be extended) or you give people a means to keep playing the game forever
>b-but if it flops we want to take it down asap
then let people keep playing the goddamn game
>claim that these fuckos are going to do illegal shit on their private server
I don't remember blizzard being sued for shit that happened on private wow servers

>>714583793
The car works fine, the car software license though? Terminate at any time for any and no reason.

>>714583504
You do understand an initiative isn't a one step process, right? It's being vague to avoid backing yourself against a wall.
The specifics come during the speech at the EC.

>>714574751
>>714574859
I doubt trying the GG playbook would work because breadtubers are also backing SKG, the movement is extremely bipartisan. Maybe I have too much faith in them but I doubt even the usual leftie journos like Jason Schreier would be willing to put out a hit piece on it.

There is literally no reason to play any game older than 10 years.

When was the last time you honestly played a game that was 10 years old?

>>714584191
> this isn't really about consumer protection
Are you on drugs? This is 90% about consumer protection 10% about preservation (and i am being generous)

>>714584343
Yesterday?
I literally never play new games.

>>714583225
It does not and I am firmly against it. I am still against corporations fucking you over. These things are not mutually exclusive. There are avenues that government should regulate less and areas governments should regulate more.

>>714584343
I only play old games, unironically.
And so does a sizable portion of the total playerbase.

>>714584259
What? I don't care about sloptubers anon I just don't deny what they are important for generating attention to the initiative

>>714584071
It describes it so well that the EU legislative council considers it an example to be held up for others to look upon. What exactly is unclear for you here?

>>714584364
Please be kind it must be hard to write coherent posts with corpo cock blocling his airways 24/7

>>714581553
It got 600k signatures in a week, of course it's slowing down.

>>714584343
Most of the games I play are from before 2015, and barely anything past from 2020.

>>714584290
Seeing HBomberGuy flat out saying the chud who runs kiwifarms was right is insane to me. A decade ago hbomber was calling for jewsh's death. Now he is saying that josh is a reasonable person with good ideas

>>714573989
>some gigachad rebel employee took the server files and uploaded them to a public server as he walked out the door.
>If it wasn't for that action the game wouldn't exist, now you or anyone else can host the game yourself and continue playing it.
why must you be so anti-semetic goy? when will they stop your sinful hand?

>>714583225
The real question is, where are the waves of people going against it like they were about the EU making laws to protect vidya.
Like, seriously, decrypting your data is not only an inhumanly complicated task, but would also just make it more vulnerable for bad actors lol.

>internet cookies
>USB-C
>GDPR
>replaceable batteries
>video games

Big tech fears us.

>>714584343
If i meet someone with this opinion in real life.
I gonna judo flip the fuck out him and make he play sega saturn until his fingers break.

>>714583403
They are nobodies.

>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns

>skigger faces when actual adults look at their proposal and calmly and rationally explain why they are fucking retarded

in a world where steam can just sell "a license" to a game can't the developers just put
>we reserve the right to end the servers to this piece of shit game at any time
on the EULA and be done with it?

>>714584694
>I'm fucking done with this stupid subject
No you are not, you'll spam the next thread in vain too.
You lost. Your ilk isn't welcome.

>>714584694
>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
It's not honest at all

>>714584694
who are you replying to?

>>714583845
You speak English because it's the only language you know.
We speak English because it's the only language you know.

>>714581887
the vast majority of games, indie and AAA, single and multiplayer, are already compliant with all this. it's a non-issue for 99% of games.

>>714584848
I am replying to >>714570203
And to all of you fuckheads
SUCK
MY
DICK

>>714584694
The disgusting behavior of the SKG community is exactly why I no longer support it. It's just fucking gamergate at this point. You don't just swat a streamer just because he dropped some truth nukes about your shitty movement.

>>714584343
Only 15% of steam playtime was spent on current year games. The demand for the old is strong.

>>714584756
No these agreements are useless when they are in conflict with law, worth less than toilet paper, especially if you are presented with them in-game, in which case they may as well not exist at all.
Steam will get fucked sooner or later as well.

>>714584694
Seethe and cope all you want. You will be in the next thread and one after that too. That was the job description after all.

>>714584343
>When was the last time you honestly played a game that was 10 years old?
Literally less than five minutes ago. I am in the middle of a replay of Jeanne d'Arc for PSP since I never finished it back in 2007 since I got deployed and had bigger things on my mind.

>>714584343
i play team fortress (2007) on a daily basis

>>714584694
>why do people call me retarded when I blatantly lie and throw a fit?

>>714584894
Thor's problem is being way too autistic to acknowledge that as a streamer he is not supposed to say the truth.

Look at Charlie. That cunt is 100% aware that SKG is a fucking joke, but he still supports them in a hilariously dishonest tone because he knows if he says anything negative about it he will be eaten alive by his own fanbase.

At any rate, the fact that this entire movement is carried by e-celeb drama is already disgusting enough. But the fact it is being carried by disingenuous e-celebs that don't even really believe in the movement is the cherry on the cake.

>>714572606
>PEOPLE DO STUFF I DON'T LIKE ON THEIR SERVERS
and why should anyone care?
>b-but muh club pungin! muh erp degens!
you sound mentally challenged. that server has its own users who do what they like. big deal
do you see anyone mastodon's reputation as a whole is ruined because there are instances that allow fetishes and gore? no you don't, so stop pulling shit out of your ass

>>714584343
All of these games are 10 years old now.

10 years is nothing.

>>714585037
ironically, a game that would benefit from the central servers shutting down and community servers being the only way to play.

>>714584756
Steam is actually part of the problem. They don't sell DRM free installers like GoG does, so theoretically, if Steam shuts down/how it shuts down could lead to you not having your games anymore either.

>>714584756
That's exactly what's on them. But EU has provisions against unfair terms in contracts.

>>714584286
It would be a real shame if the engine wouldn't start without the electronic management software. Reaaaaaaaallllllllll shame go- i mean guy.

>>714576138
>the law in europe says they cant do it, so they dont do it in europe
once again, these games largely profit from doing illegal things with players' personal and financial information.

>>714584891
how is that "It's about nothing, and at the same time everything"? that's just an example on how to preserve mmos, live service games, etc after they die
the devs pick whatever way they want to leave the game in a reasonable playing state, people have been over this many times

>>714575534
>>company adds line in their million page, required to accept on startup EULA that they're not responsible for players experience on privately hosted servers
games already disclaim any and all responsibility by slapping "ONLINE INTERACTIONS NOT RATED BY ESRB" (or other regulatory body, like pegi or USK) on all their games

>be legally obliged to release server software
>"but don't worry bro you don't have to patch it or anything, just leave it to the players"
>2 years later there are so many exploits that merely playing the game puts you at risk of people running arbitrary code in your system
>little Jimmy gets hacked and the money of his parents is stolen
>they sue your company back to the stone ages
>"b-but judge bro the players said I didn't have to patch the game look it's the heckin SKG movement, the youtuber man said it was up to the players to patch the game and I would not be responsible anymore!!!! I thought the gaymers were above consumer laws come on!!!!"

If you have at least 80 IQ this entire thing looks like a joke

>>714584857
>implying I only speak english

>>714580871
Because people are corrupt

>>714584286
There is car DRM bullshit in repair of car electronics. My father repairs that stuff, and he often relies on cracked software and such to do the diagnostics for car computers. There is some movement to placing those databases online, as a form of DRM. Which is going to make the car repairs more costly, and less people able to repair them.

>>714585089
Some kid is gonna stumble into those servers and some parents are going to sue companies because their kid got groomed

>>714585291
I thought you were done with the subject?

>>714574751
There was no need for any of that as it looked like it'd die on its own until recently
Expect the corporate goylems-I mean game """"""""""journalists"""""""""" starting to screech about it soon

>>714580871
because word of mouth and grassroot movements are too powerful and bring corpos to task, so corpos have to launch their own fraudulent campaigns to drum up fake support for their anti-consumer initiatives while pretending they're on the average joe's side
PR is a key facet of any tyranny

>>714585291
>Limitated liability clauses are too hard
>when they are already commonly used in videogames eulas
One retard shot down.

>>714585291
>someone makes a website or sends a message and its a virus and little timmy gets pwned
hmm

>>714585378
absolute bullshit. the corpo isn't hosting the server. they have nothing to do with it. you're making shit up.
nintendo isn't responsible for what happens on WIIMFI. blizzard isn't responsible for warcraft 3 custom games, rockstar isn't responsible for what people do on SA-MP, etc.
you're obviously a corpo shill

>>714585291
you got btfo and now you're just doing whatever, cool

>>714585565
Private servers run by retarded fans where they can't moderate is going to ruin SKG for everybody.

>>714585291
do corpos get sued when some hacker invites little timmy to his own discuck server and convinces him to write his parents' cc number and the 4 numbers on the back? no.
you're making up fake scenarios in your head.

>>714585647
You think boomer parents will care? All they know is that their kid got groomed playing GTA or Minecraft and we all know they won't age verify private servers.

>>714585291
>BUH-BU-BUT THINK ABOUT THE POOR CORPO'S REPUTAYSHON
Their squirming reeks of fear. Such an exquisite fragrance.

>>714585746
Yes? Look up "discord sued" and you will see they get sued every fucking month, and that's a service they are actively trying to moderate

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/etats-unis-letat-du-new-jersey-poursuit-discord-en-justice/

>>714585794
They don't care about any of those.

>>714585684
>little timmy whispers mom's CC number to some random dude on a private server
>clearly this is the game publisher's fault!
are you retarded?
furthermore, that can happen on official servers too, and the corpo isn't responsible for that in that case. or are you arguing that corpos are responsible for any identity theft committed by 3rd parties?

>>714585901
you provided him with a source addressing the exact thing he asked of you, now watch him change discourse and move goalposts like any good SKG cockroach would

>>714585794
Well, parents' lawyers will be glad to make some money despite them not having to do any work because the lawsuit will get tossed the moment a judge sees it anyway.

>>714585901
where does it say a game publisher got sued for interactions on discuck?

>>714586034
Retard the point of my post is that if you play an unpatched game you can get hit by arbitrary code execution and be preyed upon in the very client of the game, no need to move you to discord.

>>714586002
Tell me what game publisher got sued for interactions on 3rd party tools or servers.
find me a single lawsuit brought against blizzard because some little kid got groomed on a private wow server

>>714586123
>makes point about child about grooming
>changes the argument to "muh cybersecurity"
you're a slimy cockroach. worse than a lawyer and a used car salesman put together

>>714584857
No, you speak English here because this is primarily an English speaking imageboard.
You people, I swear.

>>714586127
>strawman
Dishonest ghoul
>>714586241
I never made a point about child grooming you retard, I was always talking about cybersecurity this is my first post:
>>714585291
Quote: "little Jimmy gets hacked and the money of his parents is stolen" by "people running arbitrary code in your system"

You fuckers are so dishonest it is laughable

It's amazing how the only thing that matters to the shills are the people who sign the check
>noooo, think of the children, because of them they will end up suing my company
>and if someone sends viruses through those private servers, that would make the company look bad.

>>714581553
expected. A couple of big streamers talked about it so it got a heavy burst that's tapering off.
Still need to get 1.5m or 2m as a safety net for all the mistakes, bots and fraudulent sigs

weren't you done with the subject?

>>714570861
sounds great.
whats the problem?

>>714570905
>we would be held liable.
i dont think thats even true no?
again its just strawman bullshit that pirate software does

>>714574239
>because you're not entitled to it
i am because i boughted it thoever.