Thread 714584482

>play Killer7
>it's really good
>"hmm wonder what else this developer has made"
>play No More Heroes
>it's okay
>play No More Heroes 2
>it's bad
>play Let It Die
>it's bad
>play Killer Is Dead
>it's bad
>play Lollipop Chainsaw
>it's bad
why do people suck this guy's games off?

>>714584482 (OP)
you ain't wrong, very much style over substance. he'd be better suited to art direction than game direction

I never understood it either. /v/ sucked him off real hard

>>714584482 (OP)
but you didn't play shadows of the damned (which is also bad)
also, he's fairly niche, not even 1/10 of Kojima fame

>>714584482 (OP)
Every Suda 51 fan has a Suda 51 game they really like and hate the rest

>>714584482 (OP)
and killer7 is the worst of them all.

he made no more heroes at the exact right time when silly parodies of video games and nerds was somewhat accepted.

hes a westaboo who is obssessed with redditesque aspects of the west. swery65 is the better developer and cooler guy in general

>>714584482 (OP)
I fucking wish Let It Die didn't have the retarded PvP/Stealing From Base mechanic

>>714584482 (OP)
I can't believe how amazing No More Heroes 3 was for the first hour, and then it dropped off hard. I've never dropped that hard and that fast from crazy hype, to apathetic.
Yeah, his games are style over substance, but he blew the entire game's load right up front.

>didn't read the silver case
op confirmed faggot

>>714584482 (OP)
>half of those weren't even him
Ironic how you're just as retarded and ignorant about the development of those games as Sudafags themselves sometimes are.

Suda didn't direct Lollipop Chainsaw. James Gunn directed it.

surely romeo is a dead man will be amazing

>>714584482 (OP)
still don't understand why /v/ loved No More Heroes so damn much back in the day.

This place used to be elitist as hell with only a handful of action games getting any kind of respect (God Hand, DMC 3, Black and a few others), but then you had NMH in the middle. It was weird. Fun game though.

>>714585821
Gunn only wrote it. Someone else was the main director while Suda was just the creative director. Either way it's not one of "his" games in the same way that something like Killer 7 is.

>>714584482 (OP)
He tried to be mainstream after nmh1, probably because he just wasn't selling. Its funny because if k7 had debuted and had come out today it would have been a steam best seller

>>714584482 (OP)
You only mentioned 2 games directed by Suda
Play The Silver Case if you want more stuff like Killer7

>>714584482 (OP)
You should play Flower Sun and Rain (FSR)

How is the Silver Case series?
>>714586389
Kek typed this as the thread updated and seen this post. How long would it take me to play through both anon? I doubt it's a huge time sink, but I've not got all the time in the world lately

>>714585410
Annoying how the only good parts of the 25th ward were the Tokio chapters. That's only 1/3rd of the game.

>>714584482 (OP)
He hard carries when it comes to the direction of Grasshopper's games. Anytime he isn't lead director, there's a clear drop off in quality like with all the game's you mentioned as bad.

>>714584482 (OP)
>nmh2
>lollipop
>killer is dead
>bad
Filtered into the fucking stratosphere
They are by no means perfect 10/10s, but they are FAR from bad
Don’t post here or anywhere else again

>>714586539
You'll at the very least enjoy the first one a lot. Keep in mind to alternate between one side of the story and the other since both are meant to be played alongside each other.

What's actually bad about Let It Die OTHER than the fact that it's designed to get you to pay money?

>>714586847
The PvP mechanic where you're encouraged to raid other players' bases to get money and upgrade shit to buy/upgrade gear

>>714586602
>not enjoying matchmaker
>not enjoying DIGITAL MAN

>>714584996
shadows of the damned is fun as hell fuck you

Is Killer 7 on PC good? I presume the KB+M controls should work well, right?

>>714587024
I will admit the chapter of jabroni going fucking insane was cool in a surreal way.

>>714584482 (OP)
He kind of unironically makes his games not fun on purpose. Because it's art or whatever. I don't agree that all those games are 'bad', though.

>>714584482 (OP)
killer7 was the shittiest one with the worst controls so thats on you

>>714586539
Can you do VN's? If not, don't bother. If yes, they are my favorite VN's.of all time. He's got style down pat. Also Flower, Sun, and Rain.

>>714586765
Yeah I don't mind jank. These games are awesome if you can handle it. Most soulful games are like that.

>>714587360
his first few chapters were really turning me off, especially that fucking maze and the JRPG battles, but it definitely picks up in the later half of the route and turns into a wild ride

>>714585205
No lol. I've liked them all. I liked NMH3 the least but still liked it.

>>714585216
Deadly Premonition is one of my favorite games of all time. Why hate on one? They seem to get along irl, and are or were making a game together.

>>714586765
>>714586847
>>714587153
>>714587523
>his games arent bad
Yes they absolutely fucking are. You can like bad games, but they are Superman 64 or Big Rigs level bad. Its laughable anyone claims his games are good.

I think people genuinely are impressed by concepts (cheerleader with chainsaw? waowww sexy and crazy!) and stop thinking beyond that. Each of his games plays like absolute dogshit, DOGSHIT. Its not even a debate

>>714587230
I tried it and the controls were weird as hell. You have to talk to Iwazaru to even know half of your bindings, and I didn't see some easy settings menu. The higher framerate and resolution does look really good.

>>714587230
best way to play

>>714584482 (OP)
>the Sudaverse mythology, it’s pretty fucking subversive so you might not get it. It’s okay not everyone’s a hardcore punk so the Sudaverse’s ‘Kill the Past’ storyline might all might be lost on you
>’you have to destroy your past to make a real new future’
Wow such punk genius

Anybody read the official Killer7 comics?
They're really bad.

i like people that just post in threads of games they hate. must be real happy and well adjusted to do that. won't neck themselves in a year, nope!

>>714589192
This is a thread about how bad the games are, made by a person who played them and found them bad. Quit it with the sensitivity shit your position is indefensible

>>714586847
>Game becomes an absurd grind fest once you hit the carnival floors (20) to force you to get the iron upgraded as much as you can along with an entire armor set just to do the bare minimum there.
>Floors 30+ get even worse with how much you need to grind.
>Even with the patches to make it easier to get metal it still takes an eternity.
>The entire game is designed and balanced around utilizing the mushroom system but like a year or so into release they decided to add garbage variants of every single mushroom that existed, make the original mushrooms barely spawn, and then add unusable seasonal mushrooms to dilute the pool even further.
>This means that Hater encounters are much more annoying since you have half the time to reach them after you Brainshroom them, your Cloakshrooms are borderline pointless, your weaker Stingshrooms are now barely a buff at all, and you can't clear floor 30 by Fun Fungusing enemy armor and weaponry anymore because Fun Fungus are so rare they're basically event giveaways only.
>JIN-DIE and GOTO-9 have stunlocks that you have less than a second to react to that take you from full health to dead, and if JIN-DIE is off screen well enjoy the webm then.
>COEN can one-shot you on higher floors.
>Floor 40's boss kills you in like two hits and if you are not a paying player that means you have to climb the entire dozen floors to try him again.
>Game is based around raiding player bases to earn KC but if you didn't play since launch, play through the World of Tanks or Gravity Rush events, didn't pull on the premium decals from said events, and didn't get event weapons or armor as they were running you will never be able to defend or attack anyone compared to players that did because the WoT and GR decals are some of the best in the game by a considerable margin and the events gave you weapon blueprints for weapons that can one-shot people raiding you.
Just a few things.

suda51 became a copy of himself roughly after NMH. this kind of thing happens to all auteurs who accidentally make something great, also see keita takahasi, uchikoshi and swery

>>714589415
How about you suck a big black niggercock and fuck off instead?

>>714589760
Yeah it feels like he became too ingrained in the perception he created of himself in others. Like he wanted too much to live up to their expectations of what his games should be like instead of allowing himself to create art for himself first and foremost.

>>714586765
idk about the others but KiD is a pretty bad game. the visuals are fantastic but the gameplay is bottom of the barrel hack'n'slash trash and the story is unfocused and unfinished.

>>714589936
>goes into a thread about hating a game he likes just to complain to everyone he likes the game
It’s the same shit no matter how you do it, you’re the only one who’s trying to say it shouldn’t happen

>>714584482 (OP)
I liked Let it Die, it was the first "soulslike" I played. Great soundtrack, great NPC's, just too grindy. It would've been an awesome SP game.
SOD was solid but I don't think he had anything to do with the game design. all of his other games bored me, style over substance describes the games quite well, especially NMH. I felt like I was reading the diary of a 13 year old tarantino fanboy

>>714585216
>swery65 is the better developer
kek. lmao even

>>714584482 (OP)
Let it die (the first one) is good up till you hit the pay wall curve

>>714587017
I liked it, you must've been doing it wrong. It was pretty easy to have an almost unraidable base. I forgot how but also aimed low for who I attacked

>>714584482 (OP)
>play Killer7
>it's really good
You're funny. Anyway, all his games are shit, but this was the worst.

>>714584482 (OP)
For the same reason you pretended Killer 7 is good, they think it makes them cool

>>714585216
>swery65 is the better developer and cooler guy in general
What's with sudafags pretending to be fans of swery? How can you even be a fan of a guy with 1 "good" janky game, especially when everything good in it is copied from twin peaks.

>>714593458
you'll never be cool

>>714584482 (OP)
erm, you didn't even play his best game

>>714593839
I don't want YOU to think I'm cool, nerd

>>714588269
>You can like bad games,
If I like a game that makes it good.

>>714594843
Your taste makes you bad

>>714585873
People were desperate for games on the Wii that weren't complete shovelware.

>>714584482 (OP)
Guy do have a distinct style, i think he do great if someone else do game design while he do art direction

>>714584482 (OP)
never thought to look backwards?

>>714589660
I fucking hate that JIN-DIE arena. Also the tiny room against that charging boss at the rooftops.

grasshopper makes some of the most stylish UIs in the industry and are shit at everything else
If I was directing some big game then I would straight up contract them to make my game's ui

>>714584482 (OP)
Play FSR

I've only ever played killer is dead and I thought It was fun.
Which of his games should I try next no more heroes or killer 7?

>>714584482 (OP)
i've only played killer 7 and nmh1&2, they were cool, yeah

>>714599402
Which part of KiD did you enjoy the most?
>The tone, art style, atmosphere, and story
Then play Killer7
>The combat and fanservice
Then play No More Heroes

>>714584482 (OP)
he didn't make no more heroes 2
play the silver case you secondary

What do we think of Romeo is a Dead Man?

>>714599783
>play the silver case
is it gonna be "cool themes and visuals but a completely incoherent overall plot"? becaus that's fine for a game like killer7 or nmh, but not fine for a vn

>>714595093
Do not insult me. Reality is a construct of my subconscious I think therefor you are. I will erase you from existence if you belittle me one last time.

>>714600641
Nah you are just retarded

>>714599659
I liked the fan service and how over the top it was.
But I probably will do killer7 first just cause no more heroes is a seri s of games for me to work on.

Also need to get around to shadow of the damned as well, was looking through sida games on steam and forgot all about that.

>>714600641
no don't read it. play call of duty as beavis and butthead, youll def like that bro. they even have cheech and chong dood.

>>714601258
kek this

>>714601105
>>714601258
so the answer is yes, got it

>>714584482 (OP)

Completely agree.
Most his games are terrible.>>714584748

>>714584482 (OP)
>disliking killer is dead
dishonest post

>Japanese budget action game
>you fight zombies
Glad to see Suda finally reaching the levels of quality the Oneechanbara series is known for

>>714584482 (OP)
No More Heroes 1 is where he stopped being good, he started putting in way too much marvel references and style of humor. Also he only directed Lollipop Chainsaw and nmh from your list

>>714584482 (OP)
Lolipop chainsaw is objectively good. Like absolutely tight gameplay, solid af mechanice, an an intuitive design philosophy

But since you clearly didn't play it you are just fishing for (you) from other people who haven't played Suda's games and you figured you would tack that one on expecting no one would call you out on it.

You are correct in everything else so I aint gonna hate too much.

>>714584482 (OP)
Silver Case and Flower Sun & Rain
Twilight Syndrome if you can read moonrunes

>>714588717
way to misinterpret it entirely
you CAN'T kill the past. That's the message

>>714600641
the story will feel bizarre and incoherent until you start to understand what is meant by a transmitable crime

your main character's name is Big Chinchilla Dick, and that's not a mistranslation

>>714604109
kino

>>714600428
I'm hyped, it made me go back to TSA and NMH3
>Bugxtra immediately starts dropping words of wisdom from "Grandpa"
>NM3 cold opens with you playing Deathman
I'm not expecting any meaningful connections but its amusing

Is the remaster of Shadows of the Damned good or is it fucked like all the others?

>>714584482 (OP)
killer7
is not good you got shit taste

well /v/?

Remember anon, if you see anyone shilling the silver case, they’re just illiterate who never reads in any form of media

>>714600428
Honestly just looks like a shameless attempt to capitalize on two trends, (Rick and Morty + Chainsaw Man), plus it's not even a Suda directed game so it's probably gonna be another 5/10 with pretty visuals.

>>714584482 (OP)
Lolipop Chainsaw wasn't written or designed by Suda. It was a contracted job to realize a script by James Gunn.

>>714613130
Is Ren Yamazaki directing it?

>>714585326
i keep saying if the death glove abilities weren't so fucking busted and the bosses after weren't complete shit it would've been way better
mr. gold joe is unironically one of the best fights in the series

>>714585829
it will be shit because suda has somehow not moved past killer is dead in terms of gameplay, and that game was barely an improvement over nmh
narratively speaking i bet he'll also try hard a lot to make romeo his new travis since the rights to nmh are now owned by marvelous

>>714585873
not hard to see it, every other aspect counterbalanced the middling gameplay and being stuck on the fucking wii
it had a genuinely great story, fantastic visuals (both artstyle and cinematics/camera) and bitchin' character designs and music. it's also the closest we'll ever see to quentin tarantino ever making a video game

>didnt play the silver case

ngmi

>>714587230
yes, if you can get around the usual jap fuckery of making a mess out of explaining the controls
also remember to get a cutscene replace mod because they updated them recently with a shitty ai upscale, not kidding

>>714612435
he's a DIGITAL MAN

>>714584482 (OP)
>Play no more heroes
>It's amazing
>Play no more heroes 2
>It's pretty good
>Play travis strikes again
The only game I've ever felt despair playing. The cinematics were so good I was desperately hoping the dogshit gameplay was some ironic gimmick and that I would get rugpulled into another great no more heroes game.
Then the cinematics. Jesus fuck. Travis is suddenly deadpool, quirky talking cat, indie game references every five minutes like it's fucking Yiik.
I still can't believe I finished it. I held onto hope to the dogshit end. TSA is the only game I've ever felt dread and despair playing. The Suda who made the games I loved is dead. A demon wears his skin.

>>714584482 (OP)
What is this mans problem?

What the fuck is Kamui? And what the fuck is an Ayame Shimohira?

>>714584482 (OP)
>>play No More Heroes
>>it's okay
pleb

>>714616121
Retard take. TSA is solid, better than 3 to say the least.

>>714616493
It’s called the symptom of thinking you're unique while you’re not, like most suda worshippers. Its just lame

>>714584482 (OP)
bump

>>714584482 (OP)
bump

>>714584482 (OP)
He only directed Killer7 and No More Heroes out of the games you listed.

>>714584482 (OP)
Go play call of duty.

>>714584482 (OP)
I like his style but his cutscenes do that insufferable japanese thing where the beats between lines of dialogue are way too fucking long and make even the most snappy dialogue sound stilted, even the most intense scenes feel plodding