at this point HDR is as much of a meme as VR

always has been. soon there will be HDR1200 and the idiots wasting money will swear that anything below looks dogshit

>>714612231 (OP)
They realized """4k""" and chasing resolution increases was unsustainable so the new marketing meme is HDR.

>>714612231 (OP)
I can't see the difference between HDR and cranking the contrast up. I've got an OLED TV and everything.

>>714612231 (OP)
I don't get it, don't we have HDR option in gaming since like 2007? are normie only catching up now or is it something different

I have jew fatigue

>>714612596
HDR requires a display thats either oled/miniled and oled monitors became mainstream only in 2020's

>>714612539
I see a pretty clear difference watching 4K blu-rays, the colors are a lot richer and more detailed.

>>714612539
HDR greatly reduces light bleed between pixels.

>>714612930
soul vs soulless

>>714612930
and this would basically only matter for horror games?

>>714612394
Yeah? The number represents the maximum difference between brightest and darkest part of the screen. Any idiot can tell how higher contrast looks. And better contrast ranges are easy to tell.

>>714612539
Which TV though? There are differences in our eyes as well and it might be like with high refresh that you don't notice it unless side by side or until you don't have it anymore.

>>714613146
ok retard and before that you are telling everyone hdr1000 is the peak and anything below that looks dogshit. you are a rat in a spinning wheel constantly running and chasing your cheese like an idiot.
you will perform the same song and dance when 8K becomes even slightly available.
>wahhh 4K is so ugly it's hurting my eyes i could never go back wahhhh 4K is stone age technology
fuck you

>>714612930
If I can see the difference on a regular screen, why do I need HDR?

>>714613132
Not really. Lights can look bright in brightly lit rooms while still having a shadow in the corner that looks like a shadowy corner. But it's still just opening the possibility and it's up to the devs to do something with it.

>>714613389
4k is pretty shit ever since i got my 5k2k screen

>>714613146
>The number represents the maximum difference between brightest and darkest part of the screen
I thought it was just nits?

>>714612231 (OP)
I swear you people must be baiting or blind, HDR is incredible. Much better colors and contrast. Shit just "pops" (I hate that term but it's true)

>>714612231 (OP)
Vesa 400 is a meme because it's the lowest brightness required to be allowed to say you're HDR, and to the surprise of no one, it's what most monitors are.

>>714612596
HDR in 2007 meant that the lighting in game scene rendering could be darker or brighter with a lot of fine steps. But it probably didn't matter, it would just look blown out on a monitor.
display hdr means the display takes and actually processes a larger range of color

>>714613423
gottem

>>714613423
Because it's not really SDR vs HDR, it's just a representation of the difference displayable on an SDR screen
>>714613543
What? Nits are a unit of measurement.

>>714612539
thats because OLEDs are dogshit at fullscreen brightness but advertise their 1% window HDR specs

>>714613575
yes if you recolor the whole game by forcing sdr into hdr it looks "better" at least most of the time, until you find something that looks glitchy or wrong.
Also, white on black text will rape your eyes.
There are like 5 games you can play that are actually designed for HDR

>>714612539
HDR mostly makes the difference in the shadows/darks

>>714612539
Well your display needs to not just """support""" HDR, but actually have good specs for it. Even OLEDs can have trash HDR if they're too dim. And any LCD needs a good backlight control to even qualify.
And then you do have to set HDR up right in your display with the right modes and color profiles. And then you need to configure the game to look good on your specific display... which is predicated on the game even having a good HDR implementation in the first place and then also having game options that actually allow a normal human being to customize it properly.

There's a lot of ways to gain the wrong impression of HDR. Thankfully actually good displays are slowly pushing into the market right now. A wealth of OLEDs coming in at the top and a few cheap mini LEDs are starting to appear for much less.
And then there's Nintendo ruining it all by marketing their new console on HDR while putting a fake as fuck dogshit LCD screen into the handheld.

>>714612231 (OP)
This is nothing new. Any HDR that wasn't OLED or 1000+ zone FALD has always been a meme.

>>714613423
You don't "need" it. But it's one of the few substantial visual improvements that comes at essentially no performance cost.

>>714613867
>Also, white on black text will rape your eyes.
Most HDR games have a separate slider for UI brightness

>>714613389
4k is a meme because it's unnecessary
1440p 144hz is all you need
anything above that is a meme for poor niggers to blow money on just to brag about blowing money on something

>>714613968
that's better than nothing, but don't call it an hdr game. all the textures are still srgb and I'd rather leave my monitor in srgb mode. unless you're playing the new rachet and clank, or horizon 2, which are games that are fully HDR apparently but I won't touch because they aren't interesting to me for any other reason.

I have an OLED monitor
I set it to True Black 400
I set up games to use HDR, if possible with RenoDX mods
Looks pretty fucking nice, what can I say

>>714612394
>and the idiots wasting money will swear that anything below looks dogshit

It does. Old technology often looks like shit compared to newer technology. Unless you want to argue that SDR has artistic merit.

>>714612414
>They realized """4k""" and chasing resolution increases was unsustainable so the new marketing meme is HDR.

Or they just did the easiest and lowest cost improvement first and now its on to the next thing. Why do you talk about people who are creating better displays as if they are trying trick you. Also any technology has competitors faking it or exploiting low information consumers. Buy a display actually capable of HDR or don't. But stop pretending you're a whistleblower when you just don't know what you're talking about.

>>714613903
>And then there's Nintendo ruining it all by marketing their new console on HDR while putting a fake as fuck dogshit LCD screen into the handheld
What does any of that have to do with tv’s?

>>714613132
It looks great in MHWilds, especially in the forest.

The hundred horsemen of shit HDR implementations:
>it has an HDR on/off toggle and no further options
>it has a single HDR brightness slider and nothing else
>it has a brightness and a menu brightness slider but the SDR gamma slider is somehow still part of the HDR calibration process???
>it has two cryptically labeled sliders and they both adjust 90% of the image at once
>all the sliders go from nondescript 0 to 10, even and especially peak brightness, 10 is 800 nits equivalent
>peak brightness raises the entire image brightness, even the shadows
>game has perfect HDR options, 4 fully independent sliders for peak brightness, mid tones, shadows and menu brightness. Games also still uses a fake HDR eye adaptation feature in HDR, making all your calibration pointlessand blowing out sun and clouds everytime you step in a shadow
I could probably go on...

>>714612231 (OP)
I don't know what any of this shit means IPS was peak technology I don't need anything more

>>714613389
Yes anon having a 2TB drive with the same capabilities as a 1TB drive is better because you get more storage, not worse

>>714612539
You shoulder see an HDR logo in the corner when its switched to HDR mode. It needs to be playing HDR content for this.

I never gave a shit about HDR until nvidia released RTX HDR that converts SDR to HDR with AI. RTX 2000+ gpus can do it I think. Then you put your computer in 10 bit color and turn HDR on in windows, use a chrome based web browser or mpc/potplayer. You'll notice the difference because things can get very bright without blowing out the image or making dark areas bright. It also works for games but I won't install the nvidia app. But I have seen games on youtube and it looks way better than SDR. It's especially disappointing on my VR headset. Something will look great on my oled screen but when I watch it in headset it's dim as fuck.

>>714612596
Windows support (and Linux for that matter) has been subpar until Windows 11. Still it has some trouble if you're not fullscreen or if you alt tab.

>>714613423
you can't. On a good HDR screen those streetlamps would be impressively bright instead of the same 255/255/255 white pixels that you use to display text on a white background

>>714613389
>you are a rat in a spinning wheel constantly running and chasing your cheese like an idiot.

use the technology of your ancestors then

>>714615283
Yeah got off track there at the end.
My point should've been this:
"I have an OLED and it doesn't look good on mine" doesn't say much. Could be user error or a shitty device.
HDR on a good device set up properly looks great.

>>714615020
>Why do you talk about people who are creating better displays as if they are trying trick you
Because they are. It’s not the pursuit of improved technology they want, it’s money, and it’s far easier to convince mindless consoomers that some increased contrast is totally worth blowing $1,200 on a new tv than actually developing something worthwhile
>Also any technology has competitors faking it or exploiting low information consumers
And surly these competitors are all failing because of them being hacks and aren’t proving that it works, right?

nah, if you get it set up right it's highly noticeable in the right cases, especially if a game uses the HDR properly for visual effects like explosions and fire, or magic and shit like that.

Stop trying to show why HDR is good for people with SDR displays, and just show why SDR is shit on SDR

>>714617212
that's an sdr image since we're on fucking 4chan and even the browser won't output hdr by default. So even if I forced my monitor to be in hdr it would still look "stupid"

>>714616673
I can't believe people work for money

>actually developing something worthwhile
What improvement to displays would you wait for to try to sell a better display

>>714617416
it's an sdr image because I made it sdr, I have no idea what you're talking about

>>714612231 (OP)
I have literally never used HDR on my monitor
I'm just not going to go through the OSD and a Windows setting every single time I want to open a game.
If they ever make it so that HDR can be permanently on without looking like shit, I'll consider it.

>>714617842
if a game supports hdr whatsoever you don't need to turn it on you just need to put the game in exclusive full screen and it will switch your monitor for you.
>>714617665
dumbest person i've talked to online in a while

>>714613423
You are not the target audience of HDR.
Retards only!

I still remember when we thought HD was a meme.
It was. 640x480 monitors still look fucking great. the jump from CRT to LCD is what ultimately killed SD.

what is with this board an shitting on objectively superior prosumer tech

>>714613423
lmao

>>714613423
Regular screen doesn't understand the HDR10 standard. Certificates are separate to that and denote that they have enough contrast to pass.

>enable hdr
>everything is just washed out and more grey
>have to turn my brightness up to see anything
>stop after 20 minutes and just go back to HDR being off

why would people use this??

>>714617953
>dumbest person i've talked to online in a while

You're replying to my post with non sequiturs. I think there's 100% chance I understand my post and it's very likely you don't. When I tell you this you get angry and it's the worst encounter you've had "in a while". Subscribe to midol

>HDR thread
>full of stupid people
a usual day then

>>714618439
Something is wrong and people use it when nothing is wrong

>>714612231 (OP)
Is HDR10 any good?

HDR is a meme not because of what it actually does, but because it is not a simple on/off setting like it fucking should be because the big tech players in the space can't unfuck their shit. Basically no matter what platform you use HDR on for vidya purposes you NEED to have some knowledge of your display, what calibration settings mean (when they aren't lying to you or being uselessly vague) and what the reference point is. Even beyond that not all HDR is equal and focusing on just peak white luminance (aka the number slapped onto the box of every TV and monitor) will send you down the wrong path as there is considerably more nuance to it than that (though to a point XCR is an attempt to give a real use case numbers rather than misleading marketing numbers).

What should be fucking happening is
>Monitor/TV/fish tank/whatever is correctly calibrated at factory
>said display correctly reports its capabilities to the host system
>said system takes that as gospel
>source based tonemapping actually fucking working
>your vidya polls the system for the screen capability and applies that as a default configuration when HDR is enabled
>BONUS ROUND: MS unfucks their gamma curve

The fun part is that STILL wouldn't fix all of HDR's problems as far, far too many games have broken HDR out of the box through various means so at least in the pc space users have to fix it with things like RenoDX.

When it works right though HDR is fantastic if the above is done and your display has actual good HDR output (oled, miniLED and some lcd screens that have shitloads of dimming zones, but that is rare).

>>714618540
I felt like I was in a "why did VR fail" thread, then noticed the OP mentioned VR. It is the same crowd.

>>714618762
HDR10 is obsolete, HDR10+ should be your minimum standard.

>>714618857
What happens if I use HDR10?

>>714613423
The weirdest thing about people saying HDR is good is the main argument being that it makes bright scenes annoying to look at and hurt your eyes, as if that would be something any normal person wants.

>>714618930
You just end up with static metadata rather than the dynamic metadata HDR10+ (and dolby vision, though these aren't interchangeable) use so you'd get an inferior HDR experience.

>>714618501
haven't you noticed that on 4chan after you upload an image, the image that actually gets posted is completely different? If you had uploaded an hdr image, nobody would be able to tell.

>>714618785
>HDR is a meme not because of what it actually does, but because it is not a simple on/off setting
It is. Just use RTX HDR and you just have to switch it on/off in windows and it'll work.
It works 100% of the time on console too. It's just the windows version of HDR is fucked.

>>714618857
I'm on hdr20

>>714618785
>BONUS ROUND: MS unfucks their gamma curve

What should my SDR brightness be set to in windows 10 HDR? Is that even knowable and not display specific?

>>714619075
does real life hurt your eyes too?

>>714619148
Piecewise srgb is a retarded choice as gamma 2.2 is the defacto standard in practical terms.

>>714619104
Yes I know. It's an sdr image for displaying on sdr screens. The point of the image is sdr is stupid whether hdr exists or not, because sdr has fucked our brains so badly that we see a piece of paper and the sun at the same brightness level and we don't immediately notice how unrealistic that is. With SDR displaying light in a realistic way never progressed past painting. Titanium white or rgb 255/255/255, that's as bright as anything gets.

>>714618439
That just means you have a cheap LCD that uses fake HDR.
On a real HDR screen like an OLED basically everything looks the same but explosions and fires are eye searingly bright. That's really the only point of HDR.

>>714619106
>It works 100% of the time on console too
Tell that to nintendo with their completely retarded switch 2 HDR calibration.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BmkMcaqpX8

>>714612231 (OP)
Always has been
As soon as gaming began to prioritize how it looks over how it plays, that's when the gaming deathcount began
I'd say gaming has been dying since 2010ish or so
Despite new "games" coming out to consoom, we're witnessing the decay in real-time

>>714619415
Mine is LCD but HDR only looks washed on screnshots.

>>714619415
>That's really the only point of HDR.
never mind the wider gamuts because the human eye can only see srgb right? Why should a lush jungle actually look green? Nah fuck that.

>>714619505
png doesn't support HDR.

>>714619104
chriiistttt youre one dense circus clown

>>714619505
Your LCD can't display HDR unless it's one of those mini LED ones. If a scene has a white piece of paper in the foreground and a huge fucking explosion in the background, on a normal LCD both will be just plain white. But on a true HDR screen the explosion will be also white but at the same time much, much brighter than the piece of paper.

>>714618762
>HDR10
normal color is 8 bits per channel
adding a bit doubles. so 10 bits is 4 times as much.
since there are 3 color channels, it's 4x4x4 so 64 times as many colors. there are 10x the perceived luminanace levels (supposedly, it's an approximation)
I don't know what to do with this info either. Practically it's a meme unless they actually start making games with HDR assets.
Hypothetically, a game with hdr lighting would benefit somewhat from even greater than 10 bit, because it is probably calculating a 16 bit float for each color. But visually i doubt you can tell the difference.

>>714612539
You need to actually run hdr content brainlet.
Cranking up contrast in sdr will make you Lose colors becsuse they start to bleed over eachother. A grassy field with 50 shades will have like 5 if you crank that shit up in sdr.

Anyway boot up dead space remake in hdr

>>714617212
the paper is significantly darker than the line
helps to have a calibrated display

oled

>>714619106
>use rtx hdr
Lil bro here is converting sdr to hdr lmao

>>714619887
NTA but you're hallucinating if you really see that

Itt poor people pretending it's okay.

>>714617953
You are indeed dumb as fuck

>>714620054
not really?
didn't even need to zoom in, but maybe you do, so here's it zoomed in

>>714619106
I had to enable 10 bit color and HDR in windows, and it doesnt work in all browsers

>>714620043
lil bro here is using amd lmao

>>714613423
SHUT UP AND BUY NEW PRODUCT GOYIM

>>714620203
image author here i'll fix it for the next time I'll never post it again because I'm done with /v/ HDR threads

>>714620203
These are different shades of color retard

>>714612231 (OP)
hdr looks amazing on my oled, like a new movie when it's enabled

>>714620203
wow so he was trying to trick me while calling me dumb. typical

>>714620256
I use hdr for actual hdr content. Not for sdr. Lil bro here is using fake hdr plus fake frames

>>714620352
a different shade than 255,255,255 can only by definition be dimmer than 255,255,255

>>714619151
I saw a hdr shill here talk about how it's good because it can do bloom when leaving a dark room and going outside bright enough that he had to squint. If that isn't a negative to anyone normal I can't tell you what is.

>>714620460
Youre dumb as shit arguing about an sdr image lmfao also neither of those are 255. The left one has a blue tint and the line has a yellow. Neither is plain white.

>>714620442
lil bro here watching sdr porn in sdr with a calibrated display to make sure it never exceed 100 nits

>>714620578
what do you stand to gain by lying about this simple thing?
like, this is easily checked, here

>>714620680
there is no hdr porn idiot i looked

>>714620680
No i run sdr at 120 for produ and 300 for games and movies or hdr for movies on my c4

>>714620564
I don't want it uncomfortably bright but I also don't want simulate wearing sunglasses when I play games or watch movies

>>714620564
why does having more realistic dynamic range bother you?

>>714620873
use rtx hdr white man

>>714612930
…but I can see the difference on my very non-HDR screen hmmmmmm

surely there can't be this many retards in one place

>>714620861
Look at the hue and saturation. Regardless ur arguing about a pic a guy made to explain why sdr is bad. Everything has effectively the same brightness in sdr. In hdr the lightsource would be like 700-1500 nits while the paper would be around 100-250 at best

>>714612692
I’m beyond that. I’m ready to full-on join up with whoever the anti-IDF is and go ham until I get droned.

>>714621009
i have a radeon and i'm on linux

>>714621090
99% of /v/ are poor and still use TN panels from 2007 and say theres nothing better than 1680x1050 60hz 6bit color and horrendous gamma shift

>>714621181
poor, we know

>>714620875
Being serious, SDR is just as fake as fake HDR because real life highlights were crushed to be the same shade. RTX HDR still has issues with making some things too bright but it's still more realistic than leaving it SDR.

>>714621009
also how the fuck is an ai supposed to know how nipples are colored
>>714621215
ass

>>714621090
They removed poster counts but try "why did vr fail"

>>714612231 (OP)
I'm currently trying to buy a monitor and I can't decide if I should go oled or not. I'm worried about burn in. A lot of what I do on my PC includes static content like web browsing or programs that have UI elements in the same area for long periods of time. Maybe I should just get a mini LED so I don't have to worry about baby sitting my display?

>>714621091
>Look at the hue and saturation.
i am verbatim talking about the brightness, of the three options available you picked the two least related to brightness

why are you trying to steer this in a weird direction?
i don't have superhuman vision, the paper is notably darker if you have a calibrated display

Why is technology like this so often. Lots of things will have a standard that is constantly changing or only some things support it or don't or depending on what hardware you have you need to use this one or that one. USB, HDMI, DisplayPort, Bluetooth, Wifi etc. how difficult is it for companies to introduce something and make all hardware support it until the next one inevitably comes out

>>714621353
Lil bro is arguing about the brightness of two images he put together just to showcase the downsides of sdr.

Sir you have mega autism

>noticably darker
Get your colorimeter and measure it anon

>>714621314
oled will burn in
miniled will be VA so it will black smear when scrolling

all the current technology is shit
just pick something cause better isn't around the corner

That guy is for real arguing about a 1 nit difference lmao

>>714621314
I use oled and only the worst example like white edge on black edge in the same place frequently left a burn in, and I can only see it on a plane dark grey background. Really the ocd and what you'll make yourself do is worse than the burn in. So dark mode on windows and web browser, tv pixel shifting settings, hiding taskbar and it getting stuck because microsoft is a joke.

>>714621589
qed the paper is darker than the line?

HDR looks very good and those that disagree are invariably those that cannot afford it. I miss when the retards in these threads were just joking and not genuine imbeciles.

>>714621596
>frequently left burn in
Thats retention and indicates using hdr for sdr content

>>714621687
that is absolutely not what retention is, holy shit

>>714621596
You shouldnt use dark mode. It makes everything thats small shine brighter which is what leads to uneven wear

>>714613132
It matters for any game where contrast means anything. Which is to say, any game that is not a map painter strategy game.

>everything I can't afford is bad

>>714621745
>frequently left
If it goes away its retention retard

>>714619075
>people saying HDR is good is the main argument being that it makes bright scenes annoying to look at and hurt your eyes
No it is not, you have verifiably double-digit IQ

>>714612231 (OP)
hdr is a bigger image quality improvement than rt and has zero performance impact. it's great.

>>714621687
Nah I was in SDR mode. A webUI I used literally had a white edge and a black edge that was on my screen for hours a day.

I actually use HDR mode now but with the lowest SDR brightness because I like dim UI and the brightness popping on videos only. Just wish I had HDR for images.

>>714621824
he didn't say the burn went away, he said the static element was frequently put into the position where it then burns because of occupying that specific space

>>714619104
Look, sometimes I call people stupid on this site, and usually it's just shittalking. But you are an actual imbecile, and I do not say this lightly. That dude made an SDR image purposely, to show you why SDR is inferior. Go back to the first image with this knowledge in tow and try to decipher what the meaning of it was. You can do this anon, baby steps.

>>714621759
that's true but its situational. I think it depends on how thick your text is and if pixel shifting is enough to prevent an issue

>>714621981
not really. the idea of the image is so stupid that I misunderstood because it makes no sense
"look i use the same color on three things (but not really it got debunked 10 posts later)" SDR BAD!!!

>>714622293
You misunderstood it because you are very, very stupid. Again, I'm not saying this as an insult but because you are genuinely unintelligent. Nothing about it was remotely debunked. I'll give you one more chance. Go ahead and explain why he made the image, and what it represents.

>>714622293
>it got debunked 10 posts later
debunker here
i understand the -intent- of his image, but the paper is darker than the line

it's like those optical illusion animations "THE CIRCLE ISN'T MOVING" and then the circle is moving
the optical illusion makes it LOOK like the circle is moving more than the circle is moving, but they could have simply had the circle not move at all
just like the paper could have simply been white
but the paper was off-white, dimmer

>>714622293
Everybody that replied about it understood except you

>>714614089
>144hz
meme gaymer framerate

SDR:
The sky the sun the white clouds the ocean refractions and reflections are all the same brightness

HDR: The sun is scorchingly bright, the blue sky is bright, the white clouds brighter than the blue sky, the ocean refractions are bright as fuck almost blindingly so, likewise its reflection of the sun

SDR: Car headlights have the same brightness as the window lights in the buildings around it

HDR: Car headlights are blindingly bright while the window lights in the surrounding buildings are moody in comparison

>>714622508
you're so mad

>>714621829
I'm just telling you what I've seen "people" say right here.

>>714623064
ok retard

>>714623192
so you saw someone saying some extraordinarily stupid things, and took them as gospel. That is pretty stupid anon

luv me dci-p3

HDR is like raytracing, 4K or 120 FPS: completely irrelevant to gameplay.

>>714623017
all of those things are 100x brighter than your monitor can be.

>>714623605
I agree, anything above 240p is a complete meme, if the resolution is above a calculator it does not matter

>>714623551
It's right here too.>>714623017

>>714623805
Oh, I get it now. You are literally too stupid to understand what he's saying. You just don't know what he's talking about lmao

HDR isn't going to be a meme, it just takes time. Television and movies have HDR, not just games.

>>714615020
>Why do you talk about people who are creating better displays as if they are trying trick you
because there's a blatant conflict of interest faggot
they try to justify sinking hundreds on millions developing technology no one asked for and then expect you to periodically throw away your perfectly working TV because, uh..........
it's just like with fucking phones. each version of android uses more RAM than the last and they discontinue support for old versions (minimum API version, google play services vendor lock in) to force you to upgrade. it's plain greed

>>714623932
Absolutely no one is expecting you to throw away your perfectly working TV. The fact that newer technology makes for a better display doesn't mean you have to get rid of what you have. What the fuck are you talking about moron?

>mfw playing ori and the will of the wisps in HDR

>>714623636
>all of those things are 100x brighter than your monitor can be.

True, now ask yourself one thing

Should they be as bright as notepad.exe

After reading through this topic, I think the majority of people that don't like HDR just simply don't even know what the fuck it is lol

>>714622491
i dont get it

>>714623730
240p was a pretty common output resolution on the PS1, games were perfectly playable.

>>714624235
It is a misleading image for the topic at hand but the core point of the image is that saturation changes how bright something is perceived even if it has the same luminance as another object but with different saturation.

>>714623932
You're rambling like a crazy person. People are trying to sell you things in a society, but they tend to improve so when people need a new something those improvements are nice to have. You don't have to buy it. And no, it's not "just like with fucking phones". Your SDR tv is not asking you to download an HDR tv. You can complain about planned obsolescence with software without being retard about all consumer electronics.

>>714623880
hdr isn't being taken seriously anywhere else either.

>>714624101
Notepad should be as bright as them.
>me typing up my gamefaqs guide

>>714617212
Even "HDR" displays still have limited range
Come back when pulling up a photo of the sun manages to scorch your cornea

>>714624379
is that why some hdr games feel off sometimes if not tweaked well? some colors just pop so much it looks unrealistic.

>>714624379
Isn't HDR luminance based? So an HDR screen would have the same issue right?

>>714624346
1 button was a common controller design on the Atari, games were perfectly playable

>>714624505
luminance is just a calculation

>>714613389
You sound like a jealous poorfag

>>714624475
>Even "HDR" displays still have limited range
but more range than SDR

>>714612231 (OP)
"DisplayHDR 400" and 600 are basically just scams. It's not HDR. It means your monitor can't do HDR. It can just "pretend" to support HDR.

True HDR has never been tried by the people here.

>>714624483
Potentially but again it depends on what the end goal is.

>>714624532
False equivalence, this inane debate is over.

>>714624823
Nothing about it is a false equivalence, you just had your moronic argument exposed for what it was. My condolences anon

>>714624464

>>714613389
I've had 8k. It broke and the screen was discontinued so I returned back to 4k. It was difficult to get used to 4k again.
HDR is awesome. You're retarded / poor / both

>>714624475
Guess you should turn your backlight all the way down then retard

>>714624706
mine is 400 but it has another mode called peak 1000. I don't know why they can't just get it certified for 1000.

>>714625056

>>714612231 (OP)
HDR is a meme for PC poorfags because PC monitors are a joke, almost any half-decent TV has capable HDR because their native contrast ratios are 5000-6000 range or more, while PC barely in 1100 range

>>714625138
>I don't know why they can't just get it certified for 1000.
The panels can't meet the 10% APL for 1000 nits - peak 1000 only applies to a 2% window. I would not really advise using peak 1000 and stick to TrueBlack 400.

>>714612930
>need a PhD in image processing to calibrate in your path

>>714624464
I recently replayed HL2 using RTX HDR on my new 1300 nit miniLED. The city scanner flashes are literally like this, kek

>>714625409
>TrueBlack 400.
no thanks i don't support george floyd

>>714625329
>almost any half-decent TV has capable HDR because their native contrast ratios are 5000-6000 range or more, while PC barely in 1100 range
no one tell him

I got more of a "woah" factor from my 1k zone budget AOC mini led monitor than my OLED. I'm never going back

>>714625070
Man i'd love to get a real 8k screen.

>>714613738
>What? Nits are a unit of measurement.
Yes, of brightness. And the DisplayHDR tiers refer to how bright the screen gets in HDR. DisplayHDR 1000 as in 1000 nits peak brightness. The number has nothing to do with the contrast requirement, the 1000 tier has like 30000:1 static contrast minimum or something like that.

>>714613423
called it

>>714625589
I accept your concession

>>714612231 (OP)
That shit essentially killed HDR. The sheer amount of "HDR 10" crap in the market that actually looks 100x worse in HDR mode vs SDR made the average normalfag think it's a meme and complete ignore it.

>>714613423
This is just like when they tried to convince people to buy DVD players on VHS tapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc4uTz9-Q1Q

>>714626314
That guy doesnt know we have oled monitors and also miniled monitors with 3-5k native and 100000 with ld contrast

Either way even a display with no local dimming can provide a more detailed image than sdr in bright scenes. Look at candles in sdr and then hdr.

>>714626406
Theres only one hdr10. Which is the defacto standard. Dolby vision and hdr10plud are built ontop anf backwards compatible.

Has nothing to do with hdr4006001000 or trueblack4006001000

>>714627641
>miniled monitors
not many have been tested by rtings or monitor unboxxed, or if they have tested all of them, they haven't been impressive enough, they always have had issues. The VA-esque panel or whatever telly's do, is better than all of the LCD shit happening on PC monitor space. Only thing for actual good HDR in PC is OLED (which is not the case for tellys), and I really, really wouldn't want to use OLED for PC anything.

>>714625973
Don't let your dreams be dreams.

>>714617416
Yes anon-chan, that image is SDR because it is meant to show the issues with SDR, not the strengths of HDR. Get it? It shows why SDR is bad, using an image that is SDR and is meant for SDR screens.

>>714619106
>It works 100% of the time on console too
This is a lie, you have to do manual HDR calibration on console just the same as on PC and that's often fucked as well.

>>714628007
but i need muh HDR and muh 240hz

>>714627724
>Theres only one hdr10. Which is the defacto standard.
And they certify anything. Any cheap entry level LCD monitor with 300 nits can get a HDR 10 certification, even thought enabling HDR looks like you just set your contrast to 0.

Huhh my S90C does HDR pretty nicely

>>714628404
Thats because hdr10 just means the display can take metadata and do tonemapping. An ips with no local dimming will still be able to provide some of the hdr benfits.

>>714612414
is this whole website 3rd world at this point? I've been on 4k desktop displays since 2016. I mean fuck, just die already you poorfags. It's getting really sad at this point still reading posts like this after nine years. My next display will be 4k/144hz/OLED/HDR1000.

>>714613389
what is your country of origin lmao genuinely curious

>>714628630
>An ips with no local dimming will still be able to provide some of the hdr benfits.
lol no it won't. It just looks like absolute garbage. I have one of these, there's absolutely no instance where HDR will look better than SDR on these monitors.

>>714614089
Yeah but if you can get 4k/144hz, why not? I guess you're poor and 1440p/144hz is all you could afford at the time. So therefore it is the best choice because it is the only one you could make. And anyone with more opportunity in life and an appreciation for cutting edge technology is just a fag right? Riiiiiiigggghhhttt..... niggerbrain

>>714619148
It looks bad and wrong no matter what, the way I do it is I set it so the image is actually bright enough and then I fix the washed out garbage look via the "Black Stabilizer" setting on my monitor. Works for Auto HDR too, because it seems to have the same retarded problem of looking washed out with elevated black levels. Of course if you're going to play a game with real HDR then you need the black stabilizer setting back to its default value, in my case it helps that my monitor has multiple profiles I can set.

I know this is probably not "correct" in terms of calibration but it looks alright to my eyes.

>>714628630
And that's why no one gives a fuck about HDR. They can pretend to do all that stuff, the end result will be a some washed image that hurts to look at. And these displays are what 90% of the people have right now.

>>714623636
dosnt matter
also 500 nits is more than bright enough unless you are in direct sunlight

i really like RenoDX. A lot of old games are supported that you can play in HDR now with this reshade addon and its way better than autoHDR or RTX hdr

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

>>714629112
1000 nits is the brightness of a candelight tho

>>714628806
Youre retsrded im talking about the dynamic range for brighr content not dark content. Look at a candle in john wick in sdr then hdr.

>>714629003
>washed out
Let me guess you use native/widegsmut in sdr and when you turn on hdr for sdr content which is rec709 you complain it looks washed out when its actually displaying sdr correctly in srgb instead of wide gamut.

>>714629761
Ps im referring to the detail of the candle flame not sheer brightness. In sdr they are just a white blob.

>>714629374
It is a bit hit and miss. Some of the addons come with a good configuration, others are just "lmao all defaults, sort it out yourself". I actually recently tried it for far cry 5 to overcome the shit ingame calibration but could not get it to look right with the correct values whereas autoHDR performed a lot better.

>>714629843
> I actually recently tried it for far cry 5 to overcome the shit ingame calibration
Far Cry 5's problem was that it was set to 10k nits by default in the native hdr implimentation no matter where you put the slider at. you can use lillium in reshade to cap the nits.

There are people in here running sdr in hdr and then acting like they know what hdr is.

Native hdr content (such as hdr10 movies or games like cyberpunk albeit you need a lut to fix the black floor in cp) is the only actual hdr. Theres no metadata for sdr.

>>714630020
Your display should be tonemapping it retard. If it cant do that then you bought a terrible display. A c4 can tonemap up to 10k to fit within its 1k limit.

>>714630020
>you can use lillium in reshade to cap the nits.
Interesting - i'll look into it.

>>714629437
retarded or trolling?
the irony of your post is that candlelight is exactly 1 nit, since thats where the measurement system comes from ... 1 nit means 1 candle, or to be exact 1 nit = 1 cd/m2

>>714628102
It does the opposite though. It shows just how convincingly bright an object can be made to look using only SDR colors without having to use overly bright light, and hence how little there is to be gained from HDR color.

>>714630425
That's not the point, you have no idea what you're talking about. The point is that a white piece of paper should not be as searingly bright as a white light bulb, which in turn should not be as searingly bright as staring into the fucking sun.

>>714617212
my favorite part about this retarded image is how it compares light sources to a sheet of white paper.
nigga the paper can be 90% as bright as the sun if it's shining on it

>>714626314
>he still doesn't know
KEK

Paper white reference is what, 120 cd/m?

>>714628683
>is this whole website 3rd world at this point?
To be honest yes. It's poorfags being mad they do not have something and dismissing it outright. I have a 4k TV with HDR and I have used it for Youtube Anime and it's very much a dramatic difference. The problem is it will take awhile for everyone to catch up to us when they have Phones, TV's that have good HDR on them.

>>714630739
No retard, maybe a mirror would be 90% as bright as the sun, a piece of paper most certainly isn't, not even anywhere close.
Seriously, have you ever been outside in the sun? Are you actually one of the proverbial basement dwellers who hasn't been outside in so long he forgot what it's like? Do you think looking at a piece of paper in the sun blinds you in the same way looking into the actual sun does? This is some of the most retarded shit I've read recently.

>>714630697
>The point is that a white piece of paper should not be as searingly bright as
Lol, why not if it werks and things look like they're supposed to? The paper is not bright and doesn't need to be, while images of actually bright lights can be made to look bright perfectly well enough via simply displaying their corona with only a minor increase in actual light, and without irritating your eyes with excessive brightness.

It's honestly cool that our visual system works in such a way that simple pictures of bright things will look bright because of how they flare and bloom, without the need to fuck with your eyes or use crazy tech, similarly to how a series of still pictures using a limited spectrum will convincingly look like color in motion.

>>714631150
>No retard, maybe a mirror would be 90% as bright as the sun, a piece of paper most certainly isn't, not even anywhere close.
physics iliterate gorilla nigger they both reflect over 90% the paper only does so diffusely
fucking shithead idiot

>>714625329
>>714626314
>he doesn't know the difference between ANSI and dynamic contrast

>>714631594
Retard

>>714612231 (OP)
>enable HDR
>everything is just brighter and with an awful yellow tint
>disable it

no thanks

>>714631884
>n-no u!

>>714628937
>Yeah but if you can get 4k/144hz, why not?
Because 4k takes significantly more GPU power for a marginal gain of quality

4k is for TV/movies, not vidya

>>714619561
>Why should a lush jungle actually look green?
It does. Most of nature falls well within the sRGB gamut. It's only really manmade lightsources that benefit from a wider gamut.

And PNG can support HDR if the image is properly tagged and the decoder actually picks up on those tags. After all, it's just data.

>>714620873
I actually found some HDR porn on /gif/ of all places. Someone uploaded it as a VP9 webm, and apparently 4chan accepts that.

>>714637947
what would the source possibly be other than auto conversion

>>714637594
>Most of nature falls well within the sRGB gamut.
I didn't realize it was possible to have an IQ this low

>>714638105
Iunno. It did look artificial, so it might've been AutoHDR.
Though do you consider "HDR porn" to JUST be filmed stuff, or does 2D count? Because I make 2D HDR art.
>>714638882
You probably never realized it because you yourself lack the IQ to comprehend it. Unless you SERIOUSLY think that some promotional video being played on the TVs at Best Buy is an accurate representation of the natural behavior of light and NOT some overgraded slop designed to boost the saturation into the display's capability range to impress the retarded masses and sell more TVs.
Don't get me wrong, nature IS colorful, but it's rarely more vibrant than what an accurate sRGB monitor can handle.

>>714639391
>Though do you consider "HDR porn" to JUST be filmed stuff, or does 2D count? Because I make 2D HDR art.
that's between you and god link?

>>714612231 (OP)
VR isn't a meme, nor is HDR.
But OLED screens are a meme because of VRR flicker. So you either get a micro-led and deal with the loss of 'true blacks' or you deal with those monitors not working well with gsync, or even probably not doing freesync correctly.

>>714639568
I only have SDR galleries as the only places that accept HDR formats are places like Instagram, and I probably wouldn't last long. I CAN catbox some stuff, but that determines if you can read "Ultra HDR JPGs" or "HDR AVIF files".

And even then I don't make a ton of NSFW stuff. But I do have stuff here and there.

>>714640320
so basically hdr porn doesn't exist

Ideally, I think the endgame of display technology should be to perfectly recreate the experience of looking out a real window on a sunny day with the same intensity as real life, which means we would need 7,000-10,000 sustained nits and up to 100,000 nits for specular highlights.

the problem with hdr is at least half of all displays advertised as being hdr only do the bare minimum to get an hdr10 certification which is literally not hdr

>>714640739
so you'd have to play with sunglasses. no thanks

>>714628683
the problem is they are doing the reproducing faster than they die off from starve

we need a more permanent solution like a virus that only attack dalit scum

>>714640453
Basically, no.
https://litter.catbox.moe/cajh6na6biq3xhnh.avif

>>714621314
>I can't decide if I should go oled or not.
Don't fall for the OLED marketers tricks. The issue is probably not burn in, whilst there is still always the possibility. The real issue is VRR flicker. If you already have a gsync capable LCD and you like that feature you're going to annoyed when you get your new screen and are forced to turn it off once you encounter any basic scenario in a game: that if there is ever some sort of micro second framerate fluctuation it's going to pick up as a flicker and it's very annoying, you can't do anything to fix it. This is not a problem on LCD screens, it's certainly not a problem on micro LED.

>>714641142
not my cup of tea but godspeed

>>714612231 (OP)
I spent $700 on an OLED monitor because people said it was a good HDR monitor and everything unironically looks better without HDR, even when I tune the settings so that things aren't washed out and overblown, colors are WAY more vibrant and good looking in SDR

>>714641367
that shouldnt be the case, something is erong

i have a oled b2 or c2 or something fom 2022 and it looks SIGNIFICANTLY brighter and more vibrant and deep in the color space than SDR.

my mini led odyssey g8 looks similar in HDR mode and it isnt an oled

>>714641492
i mean my monitor looks similar to my oled tv in hdr mode when it also has hdr mode turned on

they both look significantly deeper im color vibrancy in hdr mode

i dont use hdr much and prefer to watch most content at sdr 1080p though

>>714641367
you managed to force hdr mode in your monitor without any software doing any tone mapping
I was able to do that by toggling hdr off then on after booting a ps5 game. it does look very dull.

>>714618439
>>714641367
I can turn on HDR and every SDR element looks exactly the same when displaying in SDR. It's not more vibrant, it's not less vibrant. It's only when I look at HDR content do I notice things can be more vibrant at times, and specular highlights and bright elements shine above the white UI elements. This is how HDR SHOULD work. So if it's becoming noticeably washed out on your end, then something is not working properly. Either your monitor is lying to you about its HDR capabilities or you have a setting that's incorrect.
What's your display?

>>714641367
i recommend using MADVR+MPC-HC as your media player. i dont know what else plays HDR content (although afaik nothing on PC can play dolby vision's proprietary HDR format)

>>714641903
>MADVR

>>714640086
>714641150
Sorry i meant to say mini LED on both posts. Micro LED is the unobtainium one, i forgot. I'd go for mini LED if haloing on dark scenes with a FALD doesn't bother you. Otherwise just stick to LCD.

I still stand by comments on OLED though, I'm not uninformed, i just had to suffer the consequences of being mislead by /v/ on this issue. So i was misinformed by people on this board who never mentioned a severe problem with the display technology.

>>714612231 (OP)
>>714612414
I just turn it on and it works and everything looks better. Try Cyberpunk 2077 with HDR. Been playing Stellar Blade with HDR lately. The main problem I still had was HDR Screenshots, but Steam fixed that recently. How the fuck do people watch their 4K BluRay's anyway?

I don't know, I've had a 4K TV/monitor for over 10 years, used VR since the early days and have a LG OLED as a 4K HDR monitor for close to 5 years now (I didn't even think about HDR when buying it, and aside from the true blacks it has been the most worthwhile upgrade), and they've all been great worthwhile Tech advances, with VR somewhat petering off because Facebook is retarded. It's always amazing to see poorfags come out and claim something I've been using for years is a "Meme" like half a decade after the fact.

Having a great display is one of the best investments you can make, since there's no point in upgrading to an expensive GPU or CPU if the thing that outputs what they render is a shitty $100 TN panel.

>>714642569
>Cyberpunk
that's one of the few games with half decent hdr support
>stellar blade
has one of the worst hdr modes of any game
>It's always amazing to see poorfags come out and claim something I've been using for years is a "Meme" like half a decade after the fact.
I make more money than you and my monitor is more expensive than yours.

Let me guess, you tried turning on HDR in Windows 10 on an """HDR""" 400 display

>>714642569
>Try Cyberpunk 2077 with HDR
That game needs to be fixed with renoDX to get proper HDR performance. I'm not sure if it's messed up on consoles too like it is out of the box on PC. Luckily it doesn't take any serious amount of work to get it looking correctly.

>>714642130
I'm using it too for 4K BluRay Remuxes, is there anything better?
>>714642721
has one of the worst hdr modes of any game
Works for me, turning on HDR in Windows and the game looks much better and brighter/vibrant than without. Haven't had any problems with HDR, it's auto-enabled if you turn it on in Windows.

>>714643047
you make me sick

>>714612394
>hdr1200
why do retards talk about things they have no understanding of?

>Activate HDR on my HDR compatible monitor
>Does the opposite of what it claims to do, everything is greyed out and overly dark, and the colors are muted and flat
What a fucking meme.

>>714640739
I will not be satisfied until my display allows me to get up close and personal with a Quazar.

>>714613843
10% window* and they are only bad for fullscreen white, they reach the advertised nits when displaying actual content.

>>714643260
You're either using a shitty monitor or Windows 10. Turning on HDR shouldn't do anything if there's no HDR content on the screen.

>turn on HDR
>sometimes looks a bit better
>sometimes looks a lot worse
>most of the time looks the same as SDR
>turn off HDR
awesome technology

>>714642569
>since there's no point in upgrading to an expensive GPU or CPU if the thing that outputs what they render is a shitty $100 TN panel.
If said TN panel doesn't flicker with gsync or freesync turned on then I'd take the TN over the sheer annoyance of OLED's flaws. But I'd rather IPS for better color performance.

I only expect flicker to happen if i were to use blackframe insertion, which still looks worse than ULMB or Dyac by the way. And whilst I'm yet to try out Pulsar, I'm sure that backlight strobing will always still be leaps and bounds ahead of OLED's redundant method.

>>714612231 (OP)
>>714612394
Always was. They couldn't sell 4k discs as just "more resolution" because majority of people still buy DVD format. So they have to lie about HDR being some crazy new improvement to screens. Not to mention you need a 4k TV, a 4k disc, a 4k cable, and a 4k player.

>>714644204
HDR just means more contrast, what is the lie? Are you people legitimately retarded?

>>714643469
Also boosts your monitors and graphics cards power consumption to look the same.

Never realized how poor people are to have to resort to making up stuff about things they've never experienced. A decent HDR monitor is only like $250-$300 on sale and TV $500 on sale. How poor can you be?

>>714644640

>>714644673
elaborate

>>714644806
no

>>714645049
thanks for your concession

>>714645396
newfag

>>714619561
I've seen dudes use HDR PNG profile pics to fuck with people. Somehow it does.

>HDR is a meme!
Enjoy your washed out games, even the fucking Switch is adding HDR but you faggots refuse to adapt, probably a bunch of linux cucks and AMD shills I guess.

>>714645497
I mean elaborate on why it's bait you retard. I know what bait is.

>>714644640
This is the reason why so many people think HDR is just a meme. There's no "decent" HDR monitor that isn't OLED, or MiniLED with > 1000 dimming zones, or dual layer LCD. Any backlit or edgelit LCD that claims to support HDR is fake HDR. Those are SDR LCDs that simply accept an HDR signal and compress it down the SDR, or worse one with not enough dimming zones to cause gross looking blooming. So for a "true" HDR monitor, you're looking at anything in the $750 - $1000 range.

>>714645654
>probably a bunch of linux cucks and AMD shills I guess.
The funny thing is that I had an easier time getting HDR to work on Monster Hunter Wilds on Linux than I did on Windows, and SDR conversion is better than on Windows 10.

>>714646127
I ended up buying a MiniLED with only 336 dimming zones, and honestly, it's a pretty good experience for an entry-level HDR monitor. It DOES suffer with blooming on certain kinds of content, particular really dark scenes with the occasional blob of light (like Voices of the Void, where the streetlights can cause very noticeable blooming).
I do intend on upgrading if QDEL ever becomes commercially viable or they can get a MiniLED with sufficiently dense backlight array.

>>714644640
I usually post this video in threads like this. Idiots can't refute solid proof.
If you're using a regular SDR display, the pink sign shows up almost white, and the letters are not visible, just like in the screenshot. That alone is enough to prove HDR gives you way more color range, and SDR just can't keep up. You are literally missing colors and tones if you don't use HDR.

https://youtu.be/SiryvrStb8E?si=eCXDEqPm-E2mhlf4

>>714619151
Yes? You can literally burn your retinas if you look at the sun