Thread 714613816

Echoes walked so Three Houses could run. How does it compare to its successor?

it's meh however Three Houses is for faggots

It's okay. Fates was the best 3DS game.

Cutesythea

>Thracia thread dies due to lack of interest
>”Damn, I wonder how we can revitalize FE threads… I know!”
>makes an Echoes thread

Clive is a lucky guy

>>714615093
you cooked him

Celica is for

>>714616064
Everybody BUT Alm.

>>714615093
heh

Marriage with Marianne!

>introduces range 3 bows
>introduces range 4 bows
Can we ever go back to the humble 2 range archer

I thought the Switch 2 came with PoR but instead it just came with 2 copies each of F Zero GX, 2 Wind Wakers, and 2 Soul Calibur IIs (PAL versions...)

Based normalbro thread

The new Archbishop sure is… fashion-forward…

>>714617971
Make archers work like mages but make them bad vs units like archers and shields. Make mages 2-4 range nuke machines that require set up and charging spells

>>714617971
mages should be like myrms, if they are gonna be locked to two range and often footlocked movement they should have the stats to make them a heavy combat hitter. atleast febail can do stuff like clear out the arena and inherit's a holy weapon built for keeping him alive during enemy phase when they take free hits on him at 1 range

>>714620075
archers not mages* mages are stronk 1-2 range fighers with the downside of being very fragil glass canons.

>jill can turn back into a red unit if she talks with her dad and doesn't have an A-support with mist
thats kinda weird and very niche, but i think it gives a bit more to her support with mist, if only for the fact that only a mist A-support will keep her on crimera's side, its very cute.

These were my endings in my last Sacred Stones run.
Eirika x Seth
Ephraim x L'Arachel
Gilliam x Syrene
Franz x Amelia
Vanessa x Innes
Ross x Garcia
Neimi x Colm
Artur x Lute
Natasha x Joshua
Kyle x Forde
Tana x Cormag
Gerik x Marisa
Ewan x Saleh

>>714620345
Jill has a lot of subtlety when you think about it.

>>714620361
>Franz x Amelia
my two favorite Christmas cavs

>>714620361
>Eirika x Seth
>Ephraim x L'Arachel
GTFO

>>714620736
What's wrong with Eirika x Seth?

>>714621995
Eirika belongs to Ephraim

Ivy

>>714621995
any eirika pairing is good as long as lyon seethes

>>714622531
That's pretty much a guarantee.

just started radiant dawn. wheres my boy ike and the greil mercenaries? why is the lord some light mage tome bitch that speaks the ancient heron language?

>>714623914
Chapter 3

It's much better than 3 Houses and it gave me SMT vibes even the way you could explore the world, random encounters and all the edgy stuff.
I wish they remade FE4 too or did better remakes for 1 and 3. I never finished F3DS.

>>714624648
they already remade 1, twice. once on the snes coupled with 3 as "book 1" and again on the DS, 3 DS never got offically translated

goddamn puberty hit sothe like a ton of bricks

>>714613816 (OP)
It's very good.

>>714625586
Yeah it's misunderstood and underrated. The maps are supposed to be enemy phased and you can beat it in 2-3 turns if you're efficient. It's good in short bursts.

I like thracia capturing, feels good to steal good weapons and items from dudes

>>714625586
>it's very g-ACK

>>714626713
doesn't fe2 have warp?

>>714626713
Tsend forward your dread knights and valbur to form a wall. Shove Genny upwards and have her summon minions to pull aggro away from the pegasus sisters as they triangle attack the cantors. Ezpz

>>714626713
When you fags said bad maps did you actually mean difficult maps

>>714626897
yes but I'm not a speedrunner tranny like you.

>>714626713
Soulslike

>>714624943
The father of Ike's children

>>714627057
Silke gets warp unrpomoted at a really early level

The holy trinity of Fire Emblem

Threadly reminder that Engage was so fucking bad it killed a series that had come back from the death, thrived heavily that it was a mainline series of Nintendo, and in one fell swoop by the trannies it was forever Iced because of how bad Engage was.

>>714627052
They're all bad, both the easy ones and the tedious maps.

>>714627319
>echoes
>rd over por
fuck your troonity

I just started Fates, is chapter 5 supposed to be nigh unreasonable

Celica sex

>>714627503
literally who

>>714627057
>skipping over a shitty swamp that probably lowers movement because fe loves that shit is bad
Do you enjoy desert chapters and moving 2 squares per turn? I certainly don't.

>>714627876
Me

>>714627453
RD is ludokino

>>714627319
>trinity
>four items

>>714627936
I don't suffer from ADHD unlike you zoomie.

>>714616457
You and all your cuck friends should be executed

>>714627987
they say the same about genealogy yet it's a steaming pile of dogshit
so what does that make RD?

The games are 3D again, so why haven't they brought back elevation from RD yet bros?

>>714628623
probably cause it was gay and retarded

https://youtu.be/h7YUxiz45MM
I FUCKING HATE THIS RETARD'S GAY FAGGOT VOICE

>>714628818
Shut your whore mouth, it was based and added to the complexity of the map design.

>>714628821
gay faggot nerds actually exist? lol

Wasted potential: the game. Beautiful glow up wasted on the original FE Gaiden map design

Why would you ever use archers when nomads are just archers but better?

>>714628898
artifically adding more chokepoints is not good map design
>brooo its so skilled when i sit in front of a ledge and cockblock half the map

>>714629472
Chokepoints are still way better than the open slop we've gotten in most of nu-FE's lifespan.

>>714629631
they're both bad, but no reason we need to have one or the other
most games were good at giving you enough space to move around without having it be in a full open field

>>714627319
>no engage

Guys I think the Eliwood fags may have actually lied to me

>>714629306
I know right? Plus you can have sex with nomads!

>>714630290
I will force an archer boy to cum.insode my pussy

https://youtu.be/6L01O7D2Skk
Kino...

>>714630287
generous of you to think there were multiple

>>714630287
Like father, like son.

https://youtu.be/5uCOrNij28E
Kino...

>>714613816 (OP)
No one likes Echoes.
Thats why only Celica has real fans and the cast is forgotten.
>Muh end of life console.
Tellius characters are super popular and their games flopped.
>Muh Remake.
Never released in the west.
>Muh great art.
Again no one cares about anyone but Celica likely carried by main heroine status and NTR memes.

fire emblem

>>714630532
lol

>>714630930
Fire Emblem Girl Bush

>>714624612
lol

>>714630408
lol

>>714613816 (OP)
It's genuinely awful.
Like, people rag on 3H for its shit maps and ugly graphics, but Echoes is much worse. The only reason people remember it was because of the third party artist they hired.

>>714631216
Nice Celica titty

>>714631141
>>714631170
It was not that funny guys

>>714631282
Thanks, I posted it myself.

I'm having a Fire Emblem moment...

>>714632183
You missed?

>>714632183
fire emblem moment

>>714632324
>no Ivy in a year and a half
>but two Nels

>>714632189
>>714632318
Babymaking sex with this hick

>>714632470
if engage alt dries up, feh is finish

>>714632183
You can only move in increments of ~5-7 steps at a time?

But Maaaaaaaaars!

>>714632183
Bred your little sister?

>>714633070
would you?

>>714633070
If only

>>714633070
What happened to the femanon who was babysitting her little cousin or w/e?

>>714616457
Based

>>714632787
5 POINTS!

>>714616457
is echoes also a cucked game? thats disgusting

>>714632613
Oh, Engage alts are not drying up anytime soon.
They just keep dumping alts of everyone EXCEPT the one girl people liked.

>>714633640
>the one girl people liked
Yunaka?

>>714633696
lol lmao
Ivy can carry a banner. Yunaka didn't. They even locked "having a small cat" behind Aided Yunaka, and nobody rolled.

engage lolis when?

>>714633789
Given some of the previous Engage unit arts, and also how Engage was meant to come out the month that the first Young banner debuted, I'd wager there's a high chance that Young Engage has been done and ready for years.

Enough loli and shota in the stupid phone game.
Give me MILFs and DILFs who talk about their sex life issues in their older years

>>714633753
I wasn't talking about gacha gooners, Yunaka was the most popular Engage girl for people who play real FE.

>>714626897
Celica's side doesn't get warp
>>714627057
Oh so you don't bring the whitewings on this map then huh?

>>714634310
Yunaka's not even a redhead, bro.

>>714632183
Your dad died?

>loli ivy, loli hort, lolimary
>loli chloe, etie, celine

Hyman

I don't care, I need Yunaka paizuri

>>714634503
>Yunaka's not even a redhead, bro.
why are you lying?

>>714633616
Game main heroine got the attention of a prominent NTR artist who has made high quality doujins of her being an slut.
In that particular pick she is mainly used by that dude and is the last ring you get so she has spend most of the game with him...

>>714630724
I like other girls (and boys) apart from Celica. But she's the one that people usually draw. (And the one who has more porn)

>>714634831
>>>>edelshit
>>>>troongs
im not watching that retard

>>714633905
If this is true that means Engage was in dev hell for like 6 years

>>714632183
You got screwed over despite the odds being extremely stacked in your favor?

>>714634947
:o

>>714635182
Chat is this real?

>>714635332
>3hrt are troons
yes anon its real

>>714633452
She's still saving up for gender affirmation surgery.

>>714633452
New here. I NEED to know more about this

>>714634678
I wish my hymen was as tough as this fucker was
Also wish I could mend it

>>714634678
he has filtered millions

>>714635449
YWNBAW

Walking into a /vfeg/ femanon's bedroom like

>>714635598
they atleast need to have red/blue hair or have big tits like goldmary or ivy. anything else is a tranny

>>714635693
I have blonde hair

>>714630724
>>714634941
I liked the Whitewings' Echoes designs desu
I liked Clair too, even though she's way less popular.

>>714635743
post your hair and tits (with cute mole) or youre a troon

>>714635882
Here's a mole for you.
Also, no.

>>714635743
>>714635994
i think you want the edelfat thread

Mangs

Is a Troon

Marianne's

Dirty Cunt

Annette

Ugly Voice

Femanon

Valid

is not real

Dilating

Alear

>>714613816 (OP)
Kek this is the most dog shit game in the series

Fire Emblem

Ike

Is a gay father

what the fuck is going on
it's like some kind of bizarre /vfeg/ numbers station

Heath

Alear

>>714636795
Mangs' men are raiding us.

SOREN

Is gay

>>714636209
>>714636279
>>714636314
>>714636341
>>714636364
>>714636392
>>714636452
>>714636530
>>714636531
>>714636560
>>714636578
>>714636623
hey sisters you're in the wrong board >>>/vg/

>>714636923
LOST IN MY VAGINA AGAIN

>>714637024
Unfortunately there is no general for Fire Emblem on that board

I'd let my Dimi abuse my tits

>nice visuals
>maps no one wants to play
>ugly ass visuals
>fun game to play
why do they keep doing this

should i pick up a used copy of three houses or try more of the 3DS ones first?
played through Awakening and didn't like it that much

>>714634703
>he lacks critical information
Manga revealed she's a natural blonde.

>>714637237
Play Fates Conquest on the 3DS. If you don't like it I'd say the series isn't for you. Awakening is famously boring and bad, gameplay-wise.

>>714637249
no it doesnt. stop lying.
see naked pic of yunaka

when was the last time we had a LE UGLY character (besides bernadette)

>>714637351
I look EXACTLY like this

>>714637384
Timerra

>>714637101
you seemed to have missed the thread that is literally called "fire emblem general"
no worries though, I'll help you out >>>/vg/529975829

>>714637237
Conquest is one of the most fun games to play in the franchise, Birthright and Rev is like playing a slightly worse Awakening. I found 3H too tedious to the point I found myself wanting to just replay fe6 or fe7 with that time instead, and the main reason someone would play through it is for Blue Lions route and that's about it

>>714637427
This is for Fire Emblem Heroes, the mobile gacha game. I can see why you'd make this mistake though. The title is very misleading.

>>714637427
Thank you.

>>714636923
Always lost in ur books

>>714637521
dont you already have a thread?

>>714637384
Alear! XDDD

>>714637316
>>714637436
normal or hard modo? i did hard classic in Awakening as my first FE game. it might've made the experience worse since i just solo'd the game with the 2 main chars

>>714637427
>pedo OP
No sir, I don't want it

>>714637384
Raphael

>>714637384
any of the 3h characters

>>714637554
So?

>>714637572
It has 3 difficulties. Normal, Hard, and Lunatic. Lunatic is an actually well-balanced game mode this time unlike the shitfest that is Awakening Lunatic, but for a first playthrough I'd stick to either normal or hard. The game will probably be very challenging on hard, so between it and normal it's kind of up to what you think you can handle.

>>714637572
Hard is good to start with, there's a few gimmick maps that might make Lunatic feel unfair if that's your first ever experience with them

Any black femanons here?

>>714637687
i'm not worried about being able to finish the game but if the difficulty ruins my team then that sucks. like in Awakening it felt like no one is keeping up exp wise and having more people is worse than having just 2.
idk, i like a challenge but i feel like FE sucks when you don't have a full team

>>714637839
You'll need to use a full team to beat the game on hard

>>714637904
no marianne dont fuck horses!!!

why are the best FE villains all chudcels?

>>714637970
JRHNBR

>>714638030
He had both twins chasing after him and ready to fall on his feet on the tiny hope he wasn't already on the dark side, but couldn't see it. Sad fate

>>714613816 (OP)
I thought I wanted to play Conquest for the longest time, but actually tried playing it and got about 5 chapters in before I got really sick of the anime stereotype plot and the horrific writing. Enemies seem to hit pretty hard but I'm assuming it's just because you have to really take advantage of the newer systems like pair up. Does it actually get better?

I played 6/7/8/Shadow Dragon/Awakening, and part of Radiant Dawn.
pic unrel, some old oc

>>714638060
What does this acronym mean?

>>714638293
>got about 5 chapters in before I got really sick of the anime stereotype plot and the horrific writing
Nobody likes Fates for the writing. You haven't even made it *to* the Conquest route yet nigga

>>714638293
The real Conquest doesn't even start until Chapter 7 after the Branch of Fate.

>>714638320
Just right height no bucket required

>>714638293
The writing doesn't but you either press start to skip the story scenes or you find the humor in it being really bad and sometimes baffling compared to the middle line of FE writing

>>714613816 (OP)
This is the only post Awakening game I’ve gotten and still have

>>714638385
>>714638501
>>714638412
Alright, guess I'll go forth, but the writing is pretty fucking horrid. The deviantart level oc dragon transformation shit was really bad.

ENTER

What happened to Dorcas!?!

Is there a single femanon with tits and ass as thick as Yunaka's

>>714638538
And your purchase did absolutely nothing since it flopped. Voting with your wallet doesn't work lmao.

thracia has a 99% max hitrate

>>714638768
>Is there a single femanon
No. The other criteria are irrelevant.

>>714627319
>No POR
>No 3H
>No Geneology
Shit son what are you doing?

>>714638768
Yes, there are some busty femanons that posted themselves with timestamps back on /feg/ before it went to shit.

>>714638743
Natalie died in childbirth and he ate bad mutton, putting him into a comatose state. When he eventually awoke, his daughter was placed in the care of the church and grew up as as an orphan because no one knew if he would even wake up

Thief GODS....

>>714638907
Wait, Dorothy is Dorcas' daughter? How did I not know this for over 20 years?

>>714638897
>path of homosexuality
>3hrt
>muh bbq

>>714638997
You can’t even argue that image was based on the holy trinity of gameplay only considering Conquest isn’t on there.

>>714638768
Mine are big but not that big.

/ourguy/ archetype

/ourgal/

>>714639068
I have no idea what the relation between the four games are. I'm just going to assume they're some guys favorite FEs.

/ourcouple/

let me guess, you need more?

>>714613816 (OP)
It’s okay, it somehow managed to salvage the trash heap that was the original Gaiden somewhat, but obviously still pales in comparison to 3H which is objectively one of the franchise’s heaviest hitters just based on presentation, production values, content, and sales alone. It’s also worse in terms of gameplay because Gaiden is still Gaiden, you can only polish a turd so much if the actual core was always rotten. Story and characters already goes without saying, 3H is obviously superior no contest.

>>714639178
Unfathomably based

>>714639345
No, you can keep it.

Your daily reminder that the original Gaiden, New Mystery, Engage, and Shadow Dragon will always objectively be the absolute worst games in the entire FE franchise.

Deal with it.

I like Gaiden.

>>714613816 (OP)
>>714616064
I want to grab Celica's Celicas

Seconds before rusty trombone

3hrt sucking those cocks again

>>714639315
I wanna get pregnant bros

>>714639532
As one of the 5 people who played NES Gaiden before Echoes, I liked it in the sense that it was a weird quirky NES SRPG that was made while they were still finding their footing with the franchise. It had its faults but it was charming. However, Echoes just makes me angry because all these years later and those faults are no longer excusable, not even with the "but we tried to be faithful!" excuse. If Shadow Dragon can get shit for not including series staples up to that point, Echoes should get just as much shit for not bringing Gaiden up to date in the map and gameplay quality that should be expected at the time of its release.

>>714639621
She'd let you, too.

engage = SOVL

>>714639794
Alm will have to buy adult diapers in their later years from her loose bum

>>714627319
>RD
>Praising the game that is unironically full on racemixing propaganda
How far /v/ has fallen…

>>714639859
>after decades, we finally got over the top crit animations back
>everyone was too angry and distracted by the artstyle to care or notice
Sad

How DARE they remove this manly guy?

>>714639859
>Those V-tuber ripoff designs
>That Alear design
>”Soul”

>>714640141
>new art style = vtuber ripoff
????
and yes, alear's design is SOVL

>when >>714640141 proves >>714639984 's point
Pottery

>>714640141
>Those V-tuber ripoff designs
Which V-tuber did they 'ripoff' specifically?

Need Tomboy

Are we being raided?

yeah engage design is the definition of SOVL

>>714639859
raperin

Engage Koikatsu faces look like shit. We do NOT want moeshit in Fire Emblem.

3H looks uglier but fags suck its cock too much to ever say anything bad about it

>>714640329
You don't need a raid for a Engage vs 3H fight to break out suddenly

>>714640393
>We do NOT want moeshit in Fire Emblem
Too late, you already got it in Awakening and Fates, Engage is simply following after the Nu Fire Emblem trend.

3H bad

3h ugly

Stop shilling your shitty fucking channel here captain ASStronaut.

>>714640393
FE always have "moe" characters btw

Nina is a bad older sister

Let’s not pretend like pre-DS era FE wasn’t just a ripoff of generic 90’s fantasy anime artstyle itself, the series has never had a signature unique artstyle or aesthetic, it always went according to the times and is as by the numbers as you can get.

Engage good

What's your favourite first map in the series? For me, it has to be CQ's first real map aka ch7, it's so perfectly designed to teach the player how to take advantage of his resources.

>>714640771
Thracia 776

>>714640771
I usually don't hear too much about it, but I really like Engage Chapter 4.

>>714640505
I'm all for shitting on Engage's artstyle but the people who say stuff like "weeaboo-ification of Fire Emblem" piss me the fuck off. Like the series didn't have super weeaboo shit before Engage. Has this literal faggot even played Awakening or Fates?

>>714640771
>my favorite first map in the series is not even the actual first map in the game, or even the first map of the route
at least try a little

>>714640760
HWABAG

Who cares, where's the porn

>>714640864
>>714640887
>the first time hearing the prep theme
>the firenese theme
>multiple options
>first time to fully utilize your emblems
>strong starting units with celine, chloe and louis
yep, i love that map.

>>714641062
>Counting the tutorial
(lol

I love my wife, Annette.
>>714613816 (OP)
I liked it :)

its true you know.

my favorite first map is sacred stones chapter 9
the beta build calls the first 8 maps tutorial, so you have to count it

>>714641250
>Ashen Wolves as the 3H carry
>Book 8 OCs
They still haven't done Summer Felix or Summer Lysithea, but they did Ashen Wolves?

>"what's your favorite first map?"
>every reply is not a first map
What do you know, sometimes you guys are actually funny.

>>714641579
Hapi's brown Gerudo tits

>>714640471
But we do?

>>714641854
Enjoy being backpacked.

>>714641631
Probably FE6 since its one of the few maps that dont feel like a tutorial.
It has the biggest "here is the game, play it" energy.
Taking into account normal mode.

>>714641205
the only trve fire emblem fan itt

>>714642076
I've noticed most romhacks take this approach but go a bit too far with it. FE6 throws you right in but at least Ch 1 isn't that hard or complex. Meanwhile romhacks throw you into maps that feel like they'd be in the mid-game of a normal FE.

For me it's Shamir

kagabros... he's gonna make vestaria 3 right??

>>714630413
Best English voice for Marth by far

>>714642076
Isn’t FE6 ch 1 literally just FE1 ch 1, just rotated differently

>>714613816 (OP)

Thanks for reminding me to replay this game on the Citru

>>714642076
>2/5 units of your army are fucking useless
>Marcus is the only one who can tank more than two hits
>Enemies have massive HP bloat, the only way to 2R is to spam Marcus
>Almost every enemy stay still until you get in their attack range
>Map is piss easy when you do the obvious solution of just spamming Marcus
FE6 has a horrible first chapter

>>714642531
Yes, you also start with a near identical team, just no flier.

>>714642531
damn.................................IS thought they were slick and we wouldn't notice..................................

>>714642671
Unironic skill issue, you can use Alan and Lance and occasionally Our Boy just fine to clear the brigands while only using Marcus as a safety net.

>>714642853
>Just spend 999 turns ending turns in wood tiles baiting exactly 1 enemy at a time, bro
That's even more boring than spamming Marcus

>>714642531
>>714642730
STOP EXPOSING THE BUISNESS

why are Valentia girls like this???

I've gotten so grotesquely fat from snacking while playing Fire Emblem.

>>714643291
Please be female (female)

>>714641250
drunk snake titties.

>>714643291
Bors...

>>714643346
I'm as female as the femanons in these threads, which is to say I'm male (male).

Why does this nigga have 5 speed...

>>714643246
If you think about it, Celica is just following her father's steps. (Partially, at least)

>>714640571
>muh square apples
Honestly after PoR 3d graphics 3 houses was such a bliss
Even Radiant Dawn graphics are fine as long as every unit has actually unique appearance and are not just recolored versions of generic model.
In 3 houses they also had neat details where you could zoom in on your unit and then see their assigned battalion and adjutant. It was useless but fun little feature
People really don't give enough credits to 3 houses graphics

>>714643657
He's balanced around Eliwood mode where he gets to have a Killing Edge. He's supposed to be a tank fishing for crits.

>>714643670
Cry about it

Celica is for Mae

>>714643670
>Comparing Three Houses to games that are older by a whole decade
Anon...

>>714643989
both are 3d fire emblem games for home consoles

>>714613816 (OP)
Engage is way closer in structure to Echoes than Three Houses, the only real similarity between Echoes and Three Houses is the character design, and even then Echoes blows Three Houses out of the water in that regard, Engage may be extremely over the top aesthetically, but it plays like a traditional Fire Emblem game, even dialing back on some Awakening stuff like the child units, Three Houses is all brown and flat and boring but the gameplay is bogged down with a bunch of Persona-like bullshit that no other Fire Emblem game does.

>>714644075
>for home consoles
What a convenient excuse to ignore the 3DS games.

>>714643670
>it looks good...when compared to a Gamecube game that didn't even look that good by Gamecube standards
Clown post

>>714644087
Is this bait? A bunch of 3H mechanics were just straight up lifted from Echoes and Kusakihara directed both of them

>>714644369
2d sprites / art style aside their 3d graphics just don't look particularly good but it is fine for portable devices which have small screen

thracia is a true successor to the archenea games, it even has the shitty cav squad that show up midway through the game and get immediately benched

I just had a huge fart while playing Fire Emblem

>>714643670
are you for real nigga?

how do you dev this game so badly?

>>714641854
If I pair Ashe with her, is she going to rape him?

some has that wyvern battalion???

>>714645069
Where's that webm of Echoes where the axe guy attacks from REAALLLLY far away and walks across the entire map

>>714645069
the HEKIN magic has actual hitboxes and needs to hit?? wtf nintendo

>>714644904
>FE1: Archanea
>FE2: Archanea Sidestory
>FE3: Archanea Remake + Archanea DLC Expansion
>FE4: Archanea but big
>FE5: Archanea 2
>FE6: Archanea Reimagining
>FE7: Archanea Reimagining Prequel
>FE8: Archanea Sidestory 2
>FE9: Archanea 3D
>FE10: Archanea 3D 2
>FE11: Archanea Remake again
>FE12: Archanea DLC Expansion Remake
>FE13: Archanea 3
>FE14: idk but Marth is in it
>FE15: Archanea Sidestory Remake
>FE16: Archanea Sidestory 3
>FE17: Archanea Generations

>>714644637
An hour of social sim text walls between skirmishes, which is by far the most distinctive element of Three Houses, is not something Echoes, or any other Fire Emblem game, ever does, Three Houses may ressemble Echoes superficially because the designs are dialed back and not as turbo-anime as Fates or Engage, but the actual substance of the game couldn't be any more anti-Fire Emblem if it tried, for all the bitching about how the series has been so weird since Awakening it mystifies me that the same people defend Three Personas this much.

>>714644989
Webm related could easy be fixed, there was no reason for it to be this horrible
>Don't have the enemy batallion pop up like fucking balloons, instead knock them down in the opposite direction of the assault
>Have the charging batallion not fucking narutorun with their swords, at the very least have them run in a thrusting position or make them repeatadly slash forwards during the engagement
>Align both batallions in a way where there isn't blatant clipping, can be done by simply widening the batallions a bit
>Fix the fucking camera work what the fuck is that angle
Just like that, it'd be at least somewhat tolerable.

>>714644989
any other game prior to 3h would just shit itself if it tried to render this many chars on screen at the same time

Thoughts on the theory THE GAME THEORY that FE doesn't have missable units anymore because the roster size has gone down due to characters needing more resources to create so they can't just have 20 trecks to pad your roster with

>>714644989
I remember this clip being bashed so hard when that trailer first drop. Honestly 3H has a whole was getting hated on almost just as much as Engage did until the Timeskip trailer flipped everyone around completely.

>>714645401
>20 objects
>hard
>>714645372
thats the least of 3h's problem...
>shit story
>shit characters
>shit gameplay

>>714641250
Why do they always waste summer on FEH OCs?

>>714645483
Because we had actual stakes, unlike Engage.

>>714645198
Koei was more concerned about the game being easily convertible into the m*sou known as 3 Hopes than anything else.

I want a $20 switch 2 version of 3H just to make the Conqueers unbelievably fuckass mad.

>>714641250
it will flop harder than summer 1 lol

>>714645664
Why would they care? They're too busy playing FE unlike you.

>>714645664
>$20 switch 2 version
Modern Jewtendo would never, this is utterly delusional. $80 version maybe.

>>714641250
>flops without the help of engage girls

>>714627538
Late reply but: yes, the entire Fates prologue is full of tightly designed puzzle maps with razor-thin error margins designed to teach you the basic game mechanics. Ch. 5 represents the peak of that kind of difficulty. I remember it taking me like an hour on a blind Lunatic attempt a decade ago.

>>714645069
This makes me want FE game that rips off Dune, where magic users are dependent on a mind-altering substance mined from the desert area, and great knights/generals are replaced by worm riders who get a defense/evasion bonus and Canto+ only when crossing sand tiles.

women breasts

>>714645716
you cant polish a turd

>>714645664
Don't dial8 too hard when pissgayge gets the switch 2 version.

Did you guys see the FAT emblem thread? Literally a /trash/ thread on /v/ and it's been up for over 24 hours with over 300 posts

>>714620345
A B support with Lethe also keeps her on your side iirc.

>>714645860
Engage will likely get a free update at the very least. I could see Three Houses getting an actual Switch 2 Edition with maybe another route added and some more characters.

Thing is even the free upgrades are quite substantial. Engage would look great at 4K. It already looked great on the Switch. But since it didn't sell as much I don't think they're going to add more content to it. Three Houses however did like 4.1M which is unheard of for an FE game, so they'd be dumb not to give that a fresh coat of paint because it honestly needs it more than Engage. Visually three houses is just far more rough around the edges.

Good thing about both games is that even without patches, they both have locked 30fps with hardly any noticeable framerate hitches which used to be somewhat of a problem for both games.

>>714645516
>waste
Some FEH OCs are very in-demand. But then IS does nothing with them, like Freyja and Gullveig. Their last seasonals were each their summer units.
>always
We rarely get OC Summer units. It's basically just Book 2. Book 4 only got Freyja and Freyr, Book 7 only got Gullveig and Nerthuz, and then Ymir only got one because Fjorm got another after Book 2 already had five summer units.

>>714645748
Anon, Lapis flopped even with herself (an engage girl).
This will do worse, but still.

>>714613816 (OP)
best character art in the series and has some damn good music
It has a cool combat system that can feel like a bit of a drag imo
Maps leave a bit to be desired

>>714645930
Don't listen to this retard he is lying, only mist support A let's you keep jill

Im TIRED of Lapissdev

>>714645696
Conqueers don’t play FE. They’re not even FE fans, they only play Conquest.

I used all of 17b to feed miranda kills and xp from dodging ballisticians

>Conquest is juggernaut proof! Truly the best FE!
>Gets solo’d with Camilla, then Ophelia
>THOSE DON’T COUNT!

>>714646237
asbel mogs this

>>714645920
>Did you guys see the FAT emblem thread?
Yeah, and somehow that's still better than arguing about 3H, Engage, and Heroes OCs again

>>714646218
I play and enjoyed most of the series including CQ though

>>714646323
he absolutely does, owlen does to. but I thought it would be funny to train her and I like fielding mages

Listen, a woman is talking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np1z4n_yNJw

>>714646437
>FE
>Woman

>>714645748
I feel like Lapis is the type of girl who would fuck a table

>>714646319
>"Solo" starts post chapter 10

>>714646558
Guys FE7 is solved athos solos it

>>714646319
If you gonna be this dishonest did you forget the shitmilla faggot admited that he used save states, dumbass.

If Fire Emblem were realistic, there would be a LOT more rape.

>>714643670
I know other anons got on your case, but Path of Radiance is probably one of the worst looking video games ever released by Nintendo. Maybe the worst? I mean I struggle to think of a functional, non-meme game that looks as bad. It's on the same system as Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, and Metroid Prime. You're comparing to the rock bottom.

I thought PoR looked charming

>>714643670
If the only game you can say 3H is better looking than is PoR then maybe that means 3H is a bad looking game itself.

>>714613816 (OP)
Lol, what? Echoes is nothing like 3H. Gaiden styled entries are very much their own thing, like Awakening, Sacred Stones, and Fates White Kingdom. I liked the aesthetics, music and story of echoes - but this nu-fag idea that the Gaiden styled games are good is a complete meme. Gaiden styled FEs will always be low tier entries.

>>714647002
They didn't even bother to update a lot of the models that were carried over from the N64 version.

Peak avatar

>>714647567
my face in corrin's pussy when alear isn't looking

>>714647567
puffy vulva

>>714647567
This is literally me

>>714648001
LONDON

>>714648001
you're a troon.

>>714646991
I hope not.
Moids disgust me

>>714639345
I need less Engay, actually.

Fire Emblem: The Sacral Chakra (2016) (Wii U) [CANCELLED]

>>714648120
Shut the fuck up tranny. Bandits wouldn't even rape you ugly ass, they'd just kill you.

>>714648231
based

>>714648180
Does anyone have more information on this game? I've heard it mentioned several times now on various forums, but info online is scarce.

Path of Radiance looks gorgeous. I don't know where this meme that it's ugly comes from.

>Path of Radiance looks gorg-
ACK

>>714648774
Hey, be honest.
It didn't have anti aliasing, either.

>>714648774
The r and the a in Brave aren't aligned

>>714648774
For a Gamecube game? What’s wrong with this?

>>714648774
Better yet are the animations. The characters might as well slap each other with paper fans considering how weightless everything is.

>>714648895
Misaligned textures due to emulation. The anti-PoR brigade has to misrepresent the game with inaccurate emulation to slander its good name.

>>714648895
It's autistic but little imperfections like that are why I hate most HD texture packs.

>>714648897
It need 30000 UE5 lighting effects to make it lag like shit so retards can call it good
It looks perfectly fine. Graphics are the least important part of fire emblem below writing and gameplay by a mile.

Cute low-poly wife.
Although I don't hate the battle animations, I usually only play with them off desu

>>714648897
Nigga, Gamecube games didn't look this bad. Hell, Banjo Kazooie on N64 looks better. IS were incompetent in the 3D sphere at the time, the game has zero art direction.
>>714649030
>Graphics are the least important part of fire emblem below writing and gameplay by a mile.
You don't believe this bullshit. Everyone loves Fire Emblem for its animations and style. It's not about being a graphical powerhouse, it's about art, which PoR totally lacks. RD was a considerable improvement at least.

>>714645758
It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for that one paired up enemy. I'm not used to having party members who are literally useless.

>>714648897
Haar looks like generic goon

>>714646374
Lol kill yourself fat fucker

>>714649201
>everything except Banjo and Kazooie are low res textures stretched out
Now say it without the rose-tinted glasses

>>714649157
> x4
Falcon knights with brave weapons are really sexy

>>714649201
Your screenshot looks worse.

>>714649324
I think you're just a dumbass to still not understand what I'm saying. It's art direction, not lack of HD textures and lighting that people are criticizing the game for. Wind Waker mogs the fuck out of Twilight Princess to this day, because of better art direction. And even a game like Ocarina of Time looks way better than PoR.
IS had no idea what the hell they were doing in their first 3D game. It looks more than a console generation behind, and amateurish to boot.

Path of Radiance was never known as a looker, but it's a great game nonetheless. The animations were always hilariously stiff and that didn't get fixed until the 3DS games...but then for some reason they had no FEET. I still like the art style, color palette, and character design in PoR more than I do the 3DS era games. Not to mention it has an actually decent story for an FE game. Not perfect by any means but it clearly had more thought put into it than whatever's going on in Fates and Engage.

>>714649254
Suzukaze can take a beating especially when backed up with Sakura and paired up with otherwise useless ass Rinka. I suggest using him to reduce the pressure on Kamui so that you can isolate the wyrmslayer fuckers and pick them off.

>>714649683
lmao, I let him die because I was going to try Conquest. Oops.

>>714649683
>Suzukaze
Kaze
>Rinka
Rinkah
>Kamui
Corrin

>>714649683
>useless ass Rinka
she's a cool character with a unique class. Why did they make her so shit?

>>714640664
Someone can sort of understand why they did Engage's character design style like that in line with the "we have to find what's current", but even for fantasy anime trends it still feels like they shot themselves in the foot with a more niche option? Frieren and Dungeon Meshi are popular fantasy anime and they mostly don't look like that. Not even a janky as hell popular isekai like Overlord looked like that

>>714649729
That's fine, any death pre Branch of Fates doesn't actually count. It's like Lyn mode where you only lose out on the bonus stats you'd get from keeping them alive.

>>714649780
She isn't even bad. People just judge her based off her prologue performance, even though Kaze would get his shit kicked in without her, so both are contributing equally in reality. In Birthright she's a perfectly fine tank that can shift into magic 1-2 range after promo.

>>714649891
Is that how you have to use her? because her strength is dogshit! I'm a casual fag, I never go out of my way to min max characters or only play the best ones but I just didn't know what to do with her on play through. She felt so weak.

>>714649891
>Kaze would get his shit kicked in without her
That part isn't really true at all. Suzukaze has 1-2 range which debuffs, has good res, wta against all the ch5 enemies, he grants +1 mov on pairup and Kamui exists as someone else he can pair up with for the 1 of 2 chapters where he can be used. If anything, it's Rinka who's desperate for Suzukaze's help.

>>714649880
Honestly I think it's an insult to Overlord to compare it to Engage's character design. Characters in Overlord tend to look pretty cool and have a bit more consistency where you can say "this character looks like they could be in Overlord". Engage is all over the damn place.

>>714649891
You... You aren't SERIOUSLY advocating that Rinkah uses magic, right? When you have a perfectly good throwing club just burning a hole in your castle shop? She's gonna hit for like 6 damage with magic

>>714649891
She is atrocious in Revelations too, where she can't damage enemies in her join chapter, but like half the roster is garbage in rev anyways. The painted abs meme destroyed her reputation.

>>714650060
>painted abs
that is funny as fuck though, thanks for reminding me

>>714650037
I'm saying that even the most junk food fantasy/isekai anime that didn't care about any having restraint or scruples DIDN'T look like Engage. The way Shield Hero looks wouldn't be compared to Engage either from what I remember. When it comes to talking about what trended in the past 5 years or so

>>714649780
Because she's entirely balanced around her rare ass class. Fiery blood pretty much exists so that Rinka can deal damage.

Assassin girls mog

Fun fact: If Hinata has an A+ with Odin and an S with Oboro, Hisame can get all the seal stat skills very easily if you pass down seal magic from dark knight

>>714650227
It's been a long time since I played Birthright. Did conquest a couple years back so it's fresher on my mind. I hardly remember a damn thing about Hoshido's crew. I wouldn't mind if these games got ported to the Switch honestly.

>>714649984
Yeah, it's the best way, at least. You CAN run her physical, she has a 45 growth and a personal skill that adds 4 damage to her attacks, but it's just so much worse than blasting shit with magic. It takes surprisingly little mag to kill BR enemies and it's easy to stat stack in Fates.
>>714650027
Try using Kaze with a non-Rinkah pair-up in 5 and watch him die and do no damage. Both units are critical to an effective clear of this map.
>>714650059
I am 100% serious. I do it all the time, it's a well known thing among people who actually play Birthright more than once. Pic from the BR relay a while back.
Throwing Club is good during the training arc but no doublan so it's bad after promo

>>714649445
It's unbreakable too. She's the best!
Not exactly a falcon knight, but I want more units like Elincia if she had more than three chapters to play..Maybe a lightweight flier that starts with only staves and gains swords on promotion. She can handle herself in a tight spot, but would really shine in a game that gives more status staves to the player, disabling enemies from behind the lines and coming up to heal and chip damage or rescue another character as needed.

>advocating using Rinkah of all units
Why her though? She's easily at the bottom of the barrel with units like Setsuna

>>714650386
I have, Suzukaze is easy as hell to use. The faceless have nothing on him since he can just pair up or dual strike with Kamui for easy kills on the Faceless while rapidly building Shield Gage in ch4, and he's the third most useful unit in ch5 behind Aqua and Kamui since he's the only one who can effectively take pressure off them.

I don't really like the pair-up system or having to worry about breeding child units.
I don't particularly like the engage ring system and it makes my characters feel like they have an identity problem as it's more focused on the ring transformations than anything else.

I liked Path of Radiance because it felt like one of the last just straight forward FE games and stories. Maybe that's boring to some but to me that was peak. Radiant Dawn jumped the shark a bit but I still enjoyed that at the time for wanting more PoR style gameplay.

I don't dislike the 3DS era or the Switch era. But one thing I did find refreshing about Three Houses was that as far as battles goes, it wasn't too overly reliant on any one gimmick and the story felt like it leaned more on traditional FE than compared to the more campy direction of the 3DS games. Yeah I get 3H wastes your time with the monastery and the teaching your students gets old but I almost just want a return to a more standard "traditional" Fire Emblem, where there's no flashy battle gimmicks that have to mix things up drastically, no child units, no time traveling shenanigans. Thank you for reading my blog. I know many of you will probably think my opinion is dogwater, and that's okay. But man I just really don't care to worry about pair ups or breeding fucking kids and engage rings man! And it's frustrating because Engage and Conquest are used as the two examples of "peak" map design, but I just don't care for the mechanics in those games. I'm repeating myself. I respect their design. I thought they were fun, but they're not my favorite FE games.

>>714650386
I always forget BR exists.

>>714650627
>takes 0-3 damage from physical enemies starting as early as Ch. 6
>uses magic after promo, the best weapon type
>genuinely easy to train and even performs competitively in Ch. 10 ninja spam with a throwing club
>fun personal skill
>access to a Top 3 Hoshido combat class and easy friendship with Orochi to bolster her mag
>is hot (literally too)
I will never understand the idea that she is in any way bad to this day. There are videos nowadays explaining how to use her if you're retarded and bad, but I swear the idea that she's untrainable is one the biggest forced memes in series history. Whatever.

>>714650627
Because it's fun to use your favorite characters, even if they aren't meta.

Would you to a goddess?

>>714650871
Her HP is the third worst in the game, only beaten by Azura, who should not be on the front lines, and Gunter, who can't be. Not a great look for your de facto wall

>>714650828
To add though I really don't like how three houses characters can be reclassed to anything. If Engage characters suffered from identity problems, Three Houses characters had it REALLY bad. In a way the freedom is cool to do what you want, but to clarify I prefer the more traditional system of only having 1-2 alternate classes you can class into. Three Houses was TOO open-ended with its class design. I get that was the whole point of the game but yeah. I also liked the combat abilities. I should probably play Echoes as that's the only recent one I still havent played yet, and I know those abilities debuted there. Don't care for 3h's removal of the weapon triangle though.

>>714650980
Her averages are similar to Camilla in Malig. Seriously. And she legitimately takes 0 damage from the vast majority of physical enemies in the game. Seeing even ~10 damage is upper end late game stuff.
Again, the only way I can explain the mass retardation surrounding this single unit is that people look exclusively at her personal str/hp growths and conclude she must be bad. As if that has ever been an informative way to look at a unit (see: Jagens).

>>714651127
Or the more likely option that nobody gives a fuck about BR.

>>714651218
Then why form such strong opinions about the units, that you'd argue about it with someone who's played it a lot? I don't get it. I've played FE12 once and I shut up about, because I genuinely don't know who is good and bad based off my single playthrough 8 years ago.

>>714650828
Honestly based take. The obsession with stacking mechanic on top of mechanic every new entry dilutes what made FE special to begin with. Engage was fun but it felt more like a fanservice crossover event than a proper story-driven FE. And pair-up/kid units got old quick after Awakening – like yeah cool now I gotta play matchmaker mid-war again. PoR is peak because all the units had purpose and class identity without being flavorless blobs, and the story actually had tension and weight without leaning into anime nonsense. 3H was a step in the right direction story-wise but yeah, the monastery drags and by mid-game everyone can be anything anyway so cohesion starts to die. I'd kill for another tightly designed game with fixed maps, fixed promotions, clean combat, no reincarnated dragons in wedding dresses.

>>714651313
They most likely saw how dogshit she was in Rev and assumed the same was true for BR.

>>714651127
>Her averages are similar to Camilla in Malig
The fuck they are. Camilla has her beat in literally every stat, all the while having a low ass internal level.

>>714650828
> And it's frustrating because Engage and Conquest are used as the two examples of "peak" map design, but I just don't care for the mechanics in those games.
Louder for the people in the back!

>MY FE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
Come on bro every FE is the same shit

>>714651363
No, I remember people pronouncing Rinkah DOA before the game had even released in the west. They didn't like her growths.
Also, there are way worse units in Revelation, too. The route has fucked balance, period. So it still seems weird.
>>714651409
I meant her HP is similar, I think it's like 3 points lower at 20/20, but with a lot more defense.

>>714641000
i'm pretty sure that video is tongue in cheek and the point is that fire emblem is always "anime"

>>714651539
>20/20
>In Fates
Seriously, anon?

>>714651539
There are way worse units in BR, but Rinkah juat assaults you on the second chapter by doing 0 damage to everyone and getting shit on by ninjas. It's the first legitimately useless unit you'll get if not grinding, which leaves an impression.

>>714651325
>I'd kill for another tightly designed game with fixed maps, fixed promotions, clean combat, no reincarnated dragons in wedding dresses.
I didn't mention it in either of my posts but yeah we all know Three Houses map design is honestly some of the weakest in the series, but I don't hate it. It's just a bit dull. And it sucks how on the different paths they repeat maps without any changes and you go to all the same places for the most part. They really could have handled the different routes better but like they said, they weren't expecting people to play each one and surprised that so many people were doing repeat playthroughs. I just want a slightly more grounded, "return to form" for Fire Emblem. But devs feel like if they're gonna make a new game, they have to do something to differentiate itself from the past, and I get that but man I just wish they'd wind back the clock a little bit. Go look at all the GBA games up to the Gamecube era. Just give us another one of those bangers and make the "twist" a change in setting or something. I'm keeping my expectations low because I expect them to double down on Three Houses "open ended" design. Or like Intelligent Systems might just try to make their version of Three Houses and somehow misunderstand what made those games appealing in the first place. I'm actually a bit pessimistic with Intelligent Systems right now. More of a cautious optimism but man I want the old IS back...

>>714651593
You should at least take a long term unit to 18 in Fates. I don't do 20/20 myself, but you're the one making a silly growthsfag argument at me right now, so I'm just playing ball.
In reality you just give her a robe and an HP tonic each chapter like a sane person and the problem is trivially solved.
>>714651624
Hana is literally worse. Subaki's damage is worse but he's a flier, so.

>>714651624
>BR
I meant Rev.

>>714651484
I understand why people say those games have great map design, because it's true! But the mechanics of those games, the stories of those games, the overall atmosphere of those games...I don't want that!

>>714613816 (OP)
I was enjoying this but I guess I forgot about it. I'll have to start over again someday.

Severa's ass is the best there is

>>714651648
Damn, I could have written all of your posts. I don't have much to add except that I agree with pretty much everything you said.
I honestly don't hate any FE game that I've played, but I feel like I'm a nostalgiafag through and through and I keep coming back to the GBA/Tellius era when I want to play an FE game.
As you said, a series as long-running as FE has to innovate to stay relevant, but I feel like IS forgets where they came from sometimes.

>>714651698
>Rinka is just as good as Camilla if you keep Camilla at base, level Rinka to 20/20, give her a robe and tonic her up every single map
Come on now

>>714652246
Who said that? Was it your schizo tulpa?

>>714652034
Edeltard sisters...

>>714652292
>Her averages are similar to Camilla in Malig
>I meant her HP is similar, I think it's like 3 points lower at 20/20 [compared to base Camilla]
>you just give her a robe and an HP tonic each chapter
That's what the anon above said, quite clearly in fact.

>>714650828
>>714651054
I enjoyed Echoes. I liked the atmosphere and the art style, although all of that is subjective, of course.
It feels like an unpopular take around here sometimes, but I also agree with you on PoR/RD as well.

>>714652429
How does that translate to "is as good" as Camilla in your mind?
I'm saying Rinkah has a similar HP pool when seriously trained. Obviously you have to be stupid to promote any long term prospect at Camilla's internal level of 12, so I was throwing Rinkah a bone for the hypothetical.

Look, if you've ever deployed an untonicked Camilla and she performed adequately, imagine deploying a reasonably trained Rinkah WITH an HP tonic. Rinkah will outperform that version of Camilla handily versus physical enemies, with slightly more HP and markedly more defense. The point of the comparison wasn't to suggest Rinkah is "as good" as Camilla, it was to say that her bulk is a nonissue and no one who has sincerely tried to use her can believe that it is.

>>714652714
>train unit from zero to... competent
>Performs as good as a unit you get for free in a better class not too much later with the potential to be even better

>>714652915
You're dumb as rocks buddy

>>714651054
>but to clarify I prefer the more traditional system of only having 1-2 alternate classes you can class into
It is one of few things DLC for 3H did right
Imo it was also stupid how every class could use any weapon.
Like what is even a reason to be a hero when sword master can also use axes just fine

Sex. Sex with Mist

>>714650828
>I don't really like the pair-up system
I agree with this. I think it's an overpowered mechanic that gives too much with too little drawback.

>the engage ring system
>makes my characters feel like they have an identity problem as it's more focused on the ring transformations than anything else.
I don't agree with this. If anything, ring selection impacts which class you're going to pick for any given unit and that's it. Units still have their own identity through things like their personal skill, their innate weapon proficiency and some stat cap mods end up being relevant too.

>I like Path of Radiance
I do too, and I still think it's one of the best gameplay games. The maps have a lot of good side objectives, and shove and stealing weapons are awesome mechanics. Maniac is just challenging enough without going overboard.

^you eat glue

>>714652714
>How does that translate to "is as good" as Camilla in your mind?
Read your own posts, holy shit.
>I'm saying Rinkah has a similar HP pool when seriously trained
Which is some hot bullshit, considering that capped Rinka barely competes with base Camilla. In fact, every single stat of Rinka is way worse than Camilla's unless you specifically get Rinka to 20/20, where she still loses to 20 Camilla in most stats including HP.
>Toniced Rinka is better than untoniced Camilla
I don't think you realize just how insane Camilla is. You can like your scrimblo all you want, but you're simply not competing with Camilla's massive advantage in every stat, skillset and classline, where even Fiery Blood isn't nearly enough for Rinka to compare.
>her bulk is a nonissue
It clearly is, 20 base HP is low as hell which is why you're casually trying to suggest giving her a Robe to her, as if no one else would want that.

Fates guard stance / attack stance is the best system that FE ever had but you guys aren't ready for that conversation

>>714653258
>too pussy to quote me
Lick my nuts coward.

>>714653264
One thing to note or add to this is that Cammy can easily go to Wyvern Lord for extra tankiness

>>714653269
The only problem I have with it is that I love it too much, I legitimately can't control my urges to constantly try to set both up even to my own detriment.

>>714653305
eat my ass low IQ dumbass

>>714653269
When I stated I "don't like" the pair-up system, it's not because I think it's mechanically bad. It's literally just my opinion that I don't care for the added complexity because I prefer a more traditional unit rather than playing double dash with all my units and having to think who is gonna go with who. But I understand for the people that just makes the game more complex and more fun and adds to the replaybility and customization to it. I'm not saying those systems are bad. They may in fact be peak Fire Emblem, but I just prefer my units themselves to be a little bit simpler, and I'm okay with some units transforming like Laguz or your dragons, but when they can all transform into Engage rings and all that, it's also too much for me. But once again I'm not saying it's mechanically flawed; moreso I don't really care for it.

>>714653327
Personally, I think Malig is way too good to pass up, but that is a good point too. There isn't a thing that Camilla can't do.

>>714653264
I don't know why you keep trying to force this Camilla thing. I brought her up, yes, but I've explained to you what the purpose of that was: a comparison of HP averages. That's it.
It wasn't about any of their other stats, or their overall "goodness" or utility. Can you stop seething for one second and argue against my actual claim?
Again: my only claim is that Rinkah's HP is adequate, Camilla-like when trained. You haven't refuted this, either. You've just gone off on tangents about how meta Camilla is, as if that was ever the argument.
Prove to me that you can pass a high school literacy course and address the central claim. Right now.

>>714653269
Nah, getting free 100% cancel on every second/third incoming attack is overpowered bullshit. That's to say nothing of how badly you can abuse tag team for damage output. Chain Guard/Attack are much better and more balanced mechanics.

I have yet to meet a conqueer that beat lunatic without shitmilla and xander.

>>714653483
NTA but you brought up Camilla first and compared their averages >>714651127

>>714653735
So you can't pass a high school literacy course, I take it?

>>714653735
He also said an untoniced Camilla isn's as good as a trained, toniced Rinkah and is pretending he didn't.

>>714653783
Find a mirror, dude. You said you only compared HP, but earlier you said averages. PLURAL.

You'd think if my actual argument was so ridiculous, you'd just address it head on. Why do you have to spin it like this?

>>714653483
>a comparison of HP averages
Which, again, is hot bullshit. I don't know why on earth you would ever argue seriously that leveling a unit to 20/20 with the goal of comparing them to a level */1 unit is honest in the slightest, all the while trying to sneakily add boosters in the mix and trying to shill muh defense when Camilla has her beat even in that if you don't scrimblo Rinka to hell and back for the sake of trying to shill her so hard.

>>714653352
Choke on your impotent rage, spastic faggot.

>>714653920
Follow the comment chain. I was replying to a guy complaining about Rinkah's HP, so I compared her "averages" to Camilla's. The anon interpreted this as a statement on *all* of their averages, when I meant it as a comment on their HP averages only - which I immediately clarified.
The discussion has been about their HP for a while now and the anon in question pretends not to know this.

Let's settle this once and for all.
Rinkah has use as a minimum of +4 Str and +4 Def backpack.
Deal?

>>714654046
So why die on the hill of a unit with bad HP can have decent HP if you overlevel her? Why not just use the better unit?

>>714654048
Yeah, she basically exists to give good boosts to Ryoma in BR, and make Corrin solo the early few chapters of Rev.

>>714654032
ohhhhh xir is so mad

>>714653948
You act like it's impossible to level a Birthright unit to 17-20 lol
Like come on, do you metafag this hard, exclusively deploying Camilla? For real? What level do you promote your scrimblos at? 15? Are you going to lie to me and say that right now?

Even if you promote Rinkah at 18 (extremely reasonable), she averages 1 less HP at cap than at 20. So still not a huge difference.

The point of this comparison wasn't "Rinkah is as good as Camilla," but that "Rinkah has good bulk when trained." Which is a fact. And you're doing that thing where you're digging your heels in no matter what and misdirecting in absurd ways, because you don't like the actual argument.

Why you retards are like this.

Real CHADS reclass Rinkah to Ninja so her strength and HP go into the shitter

>>714654131
No one is "dying on a hill," holy shit, you annoying fag.
I said Rinkah's HP is fine when trained, and her bulk is great. That's it. She's a perfectly fine training prospect in the context of her game. Every unit has a deficiency in a stat or two, and it's your job to fix it.
As deficiencies go, being slightly under par for HP is not THAT bad. I mean, I'm sure use Kaze, who has utterly terrible bulk against the vast majority of enemies.

Not everything is this dichotomy of "Camilla versus growth unit." It's okay for a unit to be okay. That was my entire point.

>>714654269
I am not engaging in the shitflinging. I stated my opinion and I tip my hat to those who engaged with me cordially, whether they agreed or disagreed. Let us cease this foolishness.

Yeah, yeah, where's the porn though

>>714654475
i only do engage

>>714654421
Her HP will be worse than 90% of other units. That's not exactly "fine." Why not say Hinata as an Oni Savage? He's much more bulky than Rinkah EVER will be

>>714654530
That's fine

At least we can all agree on one thing
FEH sucks!

>>714654609
Hinata's magic is genuinely ASS, it's nonexistent. You probably think Rinkah's is, because you haven't tried using her to any effect. But his is genuinely fucking terrible and all he gives you in return is useless loads of HP (both are taking single digit damage from the enemies you'd actually have them fight). Bad speed too but eh, fixable.

If you want to talk about alternatives, they exist. Hayato is pretty good when trained, Orochi is fixable. Rhajat is a good Oni. Why use Rinkah instead? Uh, because she's there and she works? Bitch has perfect availability.

>>714654668
Yes, but I also like my snake wife.

>the obese thread died early
Poetic.

>>714654258
It's not a question of metafagging or anything like that, you absolute retard. What you're saying is just blatant bullshit. Here, let's go step by step so that it's clear.
>Rinka has base 20 HP, which is amongst the lowest in the game
>Her HP growth is low at a measly 20% personal and a 20% from her classline bringing her up to a still low 40%
>At 20/20, which means actively grinding Rinka to literal endgame stats, she only has 33HP to show for it, which is still lower than 20 Camilla and barely above base Camilla.
Rinka's HP is bad, there are no two ways about it.

>>714654749
Hopefully everyone in that thread also died of heart failure

>>714654739
So send Hinata to Blacksmith. If tomes are out of the question, then have him tink in a purely physical class. Lancebreaker also is real nice if he goes back to SM

>>714654768
I don't care about absolutist retard arguments straight out of 2000s forumposting. I judge things relatively and in context, always. I don't care who is "the lowest" in a stat, only what that stat does in context.
Rinkah's HP is fine and her defense is great. She's a phenomenal physical tank. That was the point of the Camilla HP comparison. And you're evidently too autistic to process the actual meaning, and keep making it about this ridiculous tournament of growth rates.

>>714654739
>because you haven't tried using her
This is literally everyone who thinks FE6 is 'full of bad units' btw.

>>714654831
>just do this totally different thing
Okay...do it if you want? Do you need my permission?

>>714654920
Cammy is a better tank though

Idea for next Fire Emblem thread
What are some units you've never used but want to give a chance to? For me it's that fat bald fuck in PoR.

>>714654920
>LALALA I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME
You can scrimblo all you want, but stop spewing blatant bullshit. You're really not helping your case

Dragons are real
they are myths like useful archers and good rng

No clue why people pretend tanking is valuable in BR where Ryoma and Corrrin solo entire maps without issues.

>>714654939
You have to at least try make a good faith attempt to use a unit, in order to understand what they're capable of. The problem is FE6 offers no tools to actually fix its units, so that effectively means chipping with Wolt at 60 hit rate is the best he can ever hope for.
>>714655006
pure fucking autism

>>714655065
Good point

>>714654975
If your argument is that Rinkah is a good physical tank, and then I present a BETTER physical tank in the same game, then why remain defending the objectively poorer option? And then you try and flip it to make it seem like this comes out of nowhere

>>714655065
By tanking, yes. Why do people think only Ryoma and Corrin can do this?
This is what bothers me about Fates discussion a decade later. Everybody has their opinion on what can be done, but no one actually plays the game to back anything up. Which is why folks are surprised when someone soloes most of Conquest with Camilla or Ophelia.

Lots of units can juggernaut in all routes of Fates. The question is who gets there there quickest.

>>714654939
The only FE6 unit I truly hate is Wolt, personally, and I've found value from Sophia and Wendy in my runs. However, I won't pretend that someone like Lilina has good HP like the Rinkafag does for Rinka even if I really do like using Lilina, because she objectively doesn't have good HP.

>>714655117
Because he's not...? Didn't I explain this already? Oni is a way better class than Blacksmith, and Hinata is a bad Oni. Horse Spirit alone is a reason to go Oni, and that widens the bulk gap even further.

who is the strongest fire emblem character

>>714655151
>tanking
Considering how shit enemy stats and distribution is in BR, it's closer to bullying. Even then, both of them can do so out of the box unlike the legion of glup shittos you get.

>>714655246
Byleth's vagina

>>714655195
>I won't pretend that someone like Lilina has good HP like the Rinkafag does for Rinka
You are an enormous faggot for continuing to do this

>>714655254
What chapter do you unlock that?

>>714655246
(you)

>>714655254
is disgusting

Btw, Orochi can just capture some Generals and Wyverns for tanking in BR. You really don't need to train up a unit for the defense stat at all.

>>714655251
Corrin can't do shit out of the box. Goddamn, you people are genuinely annoying to talk to. Just a pure stream of garbage nonsense. I don't know why I subject myself to it.

>>714655071
>offers no tools
I mean, you can get up +25 hit/avoid/crit evade, and +5 damage/DEF/RES from supports, which covers a lot of shortcomings. Being slow isn't quite the death sentence in FE6 because there are a lot of slow and weighed down enemies, and not that many super fast ones.

>>714655218
Now use an unforged horse spirit. 4 might. Four. This is not a good offensive weapon, and if you are playing the long game, you might as well use the better unit for doing so.

>>714655286
Stay mad, I'm just stating the truth. For the record, I don't even dislike her as a unit, but she simply does not have good HP.

>>714655353
I'm done talking to you about this if you refuse to learn how stat thresholds work
Play the game some more

>>714655413
Ditto, my frenemy. Stay frosting.

>>714655382
For the record, I didn't say she had good HP

I said it's "fine." I almost didn't include that previous sentence, but I have to dot my i's and cross my t's with you, it seems.

>>714655340
In Conquest and Revelations, where enemies have actual stats. In BR, Corrin can basically destroy all the maps until Ryoma arrives to finalize trivializing the game.

>>714655454
But it isn't "fine" by any metric. It's bad

>>714655394
I hate off-model shit, but I'll still have a wank on this because Eve is hot and hardly gets any lewds at all.

>>714655456
>In BR, Corrin can basically destroy all the maps until Ryoma arrives
ANY unit can do this. It's not unique to Corrin. Some do it a little sooner than others.

just use ryoma guys it's a lot easier

>>714655492
Do you think Camilla's HP is "bad"? Slightly better than bad, maybe? I'm just trying to be straight on this. And don't tell me to compare them at the same internal level, that's ridiculous.

I think they both have "fine" HP personally. Workable. Mediocre without servicing, but that isn't how you play Fates, so "fine" in the final estimation.

The Tellius games are woke bullshit and you should feel bad if you unironically praise this pozzed trashheap of a duology.

>>714655596
Camilla's HP is way higher than Rinka, which is why you have to bring up 20/20 Rinka to even compare her to Camilla. No, 33 HP at 20/20 isn't impressive.

>>714655001
I'm planning a SD playthrough to try and make Vyland and Macellan work. Just gonna have to see how that works out.

>>714655672
It's not "way" higher, you histrionic tard. That's my point. It's a little bit higher, objectively. You don't promote permanent team members in at IL12 in Fates, it's not done. You have to pretend we an exist in a universe where that is what's done in order to exaggerate the difference.

>>714655001
The 3 armours in 6

>>714655530
That wasn't the point, sperg. The entire point was that Corrin does it out of the box, unlike the rest of the non-Ryoma cast.

>woke
Kill yourself jeet.

>>714655742
>Barely surpassing Camilla's base at the literal endgame cap
>Camilla's HP isn't way higher
Pick only one.

>>714655742
So what would Rinkah's HP be at 12/1? Higher or lower than the competition?

BAM right in the pussy!!!

HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!

>>714655846
>hick from the sticks
>perfectly shaved pussy and pits

>>714655827
Camilla averages 37 HP at cap, she has mediocre at best HP if 33 HP is "bad," but you'll pretend this is a huge difference
>>714655827
You don't promote long term units at 12. It's not worth considering.

I LOVE THE DIVINE PUSSY SO MUCH

>>714655827
He won't answer, so I'll say it. She has 24 HP at 12/1. If that seems low, it's because it's what several early characters join with.

>>714655894
>eating pussy
This guy is a cuck!

>>714655961
Low T. Real men make women lose their minds with their oral work

BAAAAAASED

>>714655959
If you promote units at 12, you're removing yourself from the discussion as a rational participant. Look it up on a calculator if you actually want to know, but I know you don't promote at 12, nigger.

>>714655993
with how the fire emblem girls get around that's an easy way to get throat cancer

>>714655814
why trannius fags love to write fanfiction

>>714656060
because there's an actual story to work off of. What do engaygies know about that? Probably nothing.

Last piss

FUCKKKKKK!!!!

>>714655813
There is a BR Setsuna solo on YouTube. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>714656016
Says the one who is claiming that a unit with the third lowest HP has perfectly reasonable HP if you grind her to max level.
You know, why not bring up Eternal Seals? Grind up all the way to level 99. Show us the power of that 40% HP growth

>>714656134
THE DIVINE ONE IS HAVING SEX WITH ME

>>714656104
No one is defending engayge you stupid schizo.

>>714656125
You should draw Camilla giving birth

>>714656060
>>714656104
>couldn't argue, so he samefags into making it an anti-Engage thing instead
Die.

GOD DAMN DIVINE DRAGONS!!!
FUCK YOU TOO

>>714656016
You have yet to prove how Rinka's HP isn't bad. Your only "argument" is trying to dishonestly compare endgame 20/20 Rinka to Camilla

>>714656156
Why not...? Eternal Seals are actually affordable in Birthright and the entire point of the game is to build up juggernauts. So sure.
Keep Ryoma soloing and thinking you're smart for it though

people only "like" ike because he looks like Guts
if he was generic prince man you CHUDS would think he sucks too

>>714656163
Pull the iron club out your bussy gayshido

>>714656174
Your parents should've aborted you.

VIDYA BUTTS

.

>>714656223
And shove a dragon dildo up to your own ass faggot.

>>714656204
How about you prove that Rinkah can't tank hits from physical enemies
That seems a more relevant question that you've avoided this entire thread

>>714656213
>Shilling Eternal Seals in BR
Imagine being so casual that you not only grind, but spend gold to grind some more in one of the easiest FE games (lol

>>714656221
But Ike IS a sissy twink in the first game. He only looks like Guts in radiant dawn. Most people prefer the first game anyhow.

>>714656147
>retard with no reading comprehension.

FUCKING DRAGONS IN THEIR CAVES!!!!

I don't really get the >muh Ryoma thing with BR. Is it really just Raijinto? I didn't find his stats all that impressive when I got him in my BR run.

>>714656335
You literally get hundreds of thousands of gold in Birthright and nothing to spend it on. Don't know if you knew this. I know you don't play Fire Emblem.

>>714656371
I wish I had someone to fuck my cave (no one has ever been in it)

>>714656402
you have to be a divine dragon for that

>>714656382
He's a pre-chewed unit for casual players, so they erroneously assume he's the only one who can do it, because he comes ready made. That's it.
A Ryoma solo was never the best way to play the game, nor the easiest. It's literally just laziness. Might as well Seth solo too.

Rinkah bush status?

>>714656382
He abuses the game to another level
>Duelist Blow making him really dodgy
>Astra which instacharges Shield Gage whenever it procs
>1-2 range with no drawbacks and buffed stats
>Has overkill stats in a game where there's not much to stop juggernauting

>>714656402
Do I have to pay the troll toll?

(Me) vs (You)

>>714656483
Woah mama!

>>714656486
Painted on, like her abs

>>714656496
He's Odin with a prf
You could do the same thing with an samurai and a 1-2 range weapon, you just choose not to

>>714656507
No I'll let anyone in as long as you are male (male)

>>714656486
Painted on.

>>714656524
>netorare garbage
>cellphones in FE
kys

>>714656549
The only 1-2 range options that can double and proc skills and aren't Raijinto or Seinfeld are the umbrella and parasol

>>714656549
No you can't, only he has everything necessary to pull it off the way he does.

>>714656615
tomes and knives, anon

>>714656579
Evil Veyle pls

>>714656550
If I were gayer and lonelier, I would.

Ryoma x Rinkah
Xander x Charlotte
What is with the crown princes and their bad axe wife backpacks?