How come JRPG protagonists don't look like this anymore?

>>714652247 (OP)
Self-insertfags feel threatened by anything that isn't a plain as fuck looking boring dude.

>>714652247 (OP)
Whoops haha, op here posted the wrong pic

red hair dye shortage

because americans worship blacks

>>714652427
>>714652449
>>714652470
Damn. Imagine taking someone from 1999 who thinks things are just going to keep getting more and more awesome, and you just show them what happened.

Sometimes I browse emulation websites and I see great covers from Japan only games.

>>714652247 (OP)
JRPG copy whatever anime is popular at the time. That style of anime went out of style, and JRPGs followed suit.

>>714652282
This
OP's pic threatens the self insertfag
Self insertfag can never be as cool as OP's pic. Never have the charisma, never have the spine to take a stance that matters. OP's pic will make a woman fall in love with them, and the self insertfag will never be able to imagine a scenario where he could have her.
It's disgusting what has happened on the behalf of the self insertfag

>>714652247 (OP)
For some reason nips don't like when the MCs look like, well, men.

>>714653205
This is a problem with protagonists in general, it has nothing to do with self-inserting

The difficulty in writing male leads is that you have to strike a balance to avoid alienating half of your potential fanbase. A lot of people would refuse to engage with the story if the male lead was forward and bold and generally red-blooded, because they'd be totally unable to relate to that due to being shy and timid in their teen years. Likewise, if you write your male lead to be hopelessly awkward and unable to talk normally to girls, you'll alienate people who can't relate to being such a loser.

>>714653336
There are plenty of protagonists that look like men if you look at the plethora of stuff aimed at adults instead of teenagers

To me, Ys 7 is the coolest Adol look. Of course it had to be the last game where he visibly equips a shield and has armor on instead of looking like a gay leather fashion model
And the "gets captured, tortured and put into a supposedly unwinnable gladiatorial death match which he then wins" plot point, my absolute favorite in any fantasy story.

>>714653454
It's weird, you'd expect teens to like BADASS heroes.

>>714652405
Rent free

>>714652247 (OP)
How do they look now?

>>714653612
They do, but they also like it when the protagonist is similar to them, so they can project onto them.

>>714653583
He looked better here than in OP's pic

They don't make em like this anymore.

>>714652247 (OP)
which jrpgs are you playing anon? can't exactly look like the most gerneric fantasy knight hero in a modern setting or if the entire cast is cute girls
are you complaining that newer ys games are too weeaboo? do you mean armored look specifically?

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>>714652802
Was it really that startling?

>>714653632
>points out very obvious thing
>rent free
?

East asian "men" are all sensitive little dicklet femboys now so their media reflects that

>>714652334
Whoops haha, op here posted the wrong pic

>>714652427
>yakub casting a contemptuous gaze at his wh*toid femgolem as he comes to realize the depths of his mistake

>>714659197
god damn i want a game that looks like this

>>714652405
The fuck is that anatomy?

>>714659336
Wait, on further examination that black part is a shadow, not part of the building behind him.

>>714659289
He has realized it too late, Yashmal will punish him and enact the dealbination of humanity, then we will all be welcomed into the hollow earth and be immortal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Zu9qyIVnA

>>714654453
>>714654453
OP is just retarded

>>714652247 (OP)
>based pauldron thread on /a/ the other day
>bout to have one on /v/
Exciting.
Anyway, >>714653006 has a point, but I want to point out that JRPGs are trendsetters too; a lot of anime started copying tropes from DQ and I feel like FFVII might have finalized the shift from the old designs which were already out of vogue. The gist of it is you can't expect the same types of designs to persist after we got a good 2 or so decades out of them.

>>714654667
Clive looks fine though.
He looks way less faggy than a lot of shit the past decade and a half.

>>714652470
https://youtu.be/wdfLr97nblE?si=fOGC4nIPWmJG_P2P

>>714659975
This one is especially egregious. Urushihara has such an iconic look to his art.

>>714659975
The goddess not being a chestlet almost made me make the mistake of playing this game with the new models. I'm glad I stuck with the classic ones, Chris' redesign is the only thing approaching acceptable there.

>>714652405
Or as I'd like to call them "niggers"

>>714654453
I don't play video games

>>714656706
yes it fucking made me piss my pants

>>714652282
>>714653205
...You do know that Adol (the character in OP's pic) is a self-insert, right? Silent protagonist moralfag that's just a vessel for the player to project himself into in the same way that Link is.

Funnily enough recent Ys games give Adol more personality than he did in the 80s or 90s.

>>714653936

>>714666869
where did it all go wrong after 1987

>>714667069
"Anime" was invented shortly after the 80s and everything went downhill.

>>714666869
Why does he turn emo in 2019?

>>714652449
I don't get it. Why and how did trans became so big a movement? I understand that weak men enabled feminism, I also do understand that it's a huge factor for the pharma sector, as they sell their waste to youngsters and md's earn a fortune mutilating teens. What I don't understand, how can parents be brainwashed into this, castrate their own children? Is the mother bond weaker than political propaganda?

>>714668372
How old are you and where are you from? Transexualism is being taught and normalized in high schools in left-leaning counties as far back as the early 2000s.

>>714652405
>thread about jrpg protags
>MUH NIGGERS AAAAAH BLACKMIN
also imagine trying to ragebait with the best green lantern LMAO

>>714668650
>manages to go two entire lines before admitting that he does, in fact, worship that black
huh

>>714667754
he gets kidnapped and forced to join an anime power rangers squad, thats his "costume"

>>714652405
what are some american made jrpgs with nigger mcs?

>>714652247 (OP)
masculinism is banned

>>714669173
>Gaydol
>Masculine
He's always been a fuccboi who ignores every single woman because he prefers getting plowed by his bara friend

>>714652282
Adol is a self-insert you dumb fuck, if anything they toned that aspect down recently

>>714668540
2000s? I didn't have that in my school. I've heard that trans sexual artists (?) visit schools, even elementary ones, never experience it first hand. I'm living in a white country, former white country, actually.
What's the goal? Divide and conquer? Spooky. So called land of the free. Have their been kings doing this to their people? Politicians are far worse than kings imho. At least worse than former kings.

>>714669173
More like shunned. Women do attack anything masculine on sight. They are intimidated by erected clocks, aren't they?

>>714666869
up to 2003 was good

>>714668372
West coast artists love gays.

I want games to look like 80s/90s anime.

>>714652405
Frank Fontaine?

>>714671001
That's a genuinely pretty woman, jesus.

>>714653583
and the boss fight music is baller for it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUJVpcDwru8
>hidden mechanic that's never mentioned anywhere but features prominently in and after the game too

>>714659529
got a link to that thread? pauldrons are top shit.

I always thought BoF3 Ryu had a pretty great JRPG protagonist look to him. Maybe I'd tinker with the shape of the samurai pauldrons a bit if it was up to me, but that's about it.

>>714670579
>>714669430
>>714669173
>>714669485
>>714668974
>>714668893
>>714668540
>>714668372
>>>/pol/

Time Stranger protags looking real good

>>714670713
Damn

>>714672041
>>>/a/280062003

>>714672231
dei and usaid is dead. your ilk lost and will never recover

>>714668372
>Why and how did trans became so big a movement?
Academia. Once the universities were pushing trans ideology, the most educated of society, that would go on to take proeminent roles in the judiciary system, in media, in entertainment, were all onboard with troonism. From there, they push transgenderism into law (you don't even need to elect representatives if you have the judiciary; the troon politicians will come MUCH later, in the 2016-2020s) as long as the people who enforce the law believe in it. Also a lot of women in power, who at the time felt they were helping "the opressed", fighting "patriarchy" and their strict social norms that put them down, so they felt symphaty for every downtrodden and ostracized thing. The problem is some thing have to be ostracized, and they couldn't sort it out.

>>714652247 (OP)
>we got a new game to sell and the hero looks like a girl, what do we do now?
>GET THE CONAN GUY ON THE LINE

>>714673827

>>714673827
>Conan

Conan nothing
This is so '90s comic art it hurts. Looks like it came right off an X-Men or Wildcats cover

>>714673827
Ryu looked like that...?

>>714670579
What california did to the world and themselves...
>>714673132
Why did they start? Felt good?
>women
Should have never joined the work force in masses
>>714672526
Depends now on how much musk can accomplish. Who would be nominated? He has the money, sure. Will the billionaires follow? Unlikely. Iirc Trump had his own party, too.

>>714674216
You say it like it's a bad thing

I don't like how everyone in Japan unanimously decided big pauldrons and black inky shadows were no longer cool. What the FUCK is their problem?

>>714674698
Too much attitude for the soft downtrodden youth

>>714670891
>>714670963
Retro girls... Yummy

>>714670786
Does he know?

>>714666869
I think '93 looks the best.

>>714675282
>retro girls
I wish modern character designers didnt fag out and cover girls with shit like spandex and bikeshorts so we'd still have nice things like we did in the 90s

>>714666869
Even the 87 version has more soul than whatever the 06 is supposed to be.

Ys unrecognizable. Fire Emblem truly unrecognizable. Final Fantasy a shambling corpse. What killed Jap fantasy?

>>714677079
SOUL!

>>714677079
>>714677079
They kept copying one another rather than finding new inspiration, and eventually drained all originality from the genre.

>>714677079
>What killed Jap fantasy?
The audience. Japanese gamers prefer what we have now over the more realistic looking styles of the 80s and 90s.

>>714652247 (OP)
Anime art style changed. JRPG have basically always followed anime aesthetics unless someone like Amano, for example, were in charge of character design with their own distinct style.

>>714652427
>>714652449
>>714652470
this is more a decline due to digital art

>>714652247 (OP)
Ike getting huge feels pretty natural, but I still prefer his young version. He looks like a strong willed kid who'll have to struggle a bit to prove himself. Radiant Dawn Ike looks cool, but it looks like he already accomplished his goal and kicked everyone's ass. Like he's invulnerable now, it doesn't carry the same feel. I miss his PoR look so much.

>>714677079
Old Japanese fantasy was inspired by western fantasy and then filtered through a Japanese perspective. As Japan has become increasingly more insular again (barring some catastrophic missteps like FF taking inspiration from fucking Game of Thrones) they simply cannibalize their own ugly as shit exaggerated faux-modern style, which is why JRPG protags these days dress in shorts and hoodies and every setting is just modern Tokyo with a few out of place elements.

>>714673827
>>714674216
Who copied whom?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT3cl4GJIDs

>>714652247 (OP)
I wish it was just the aesthetics.

>>714678493
incest has become a real problem with fantasy, from novels to games

>>714656782
How was America relevant to the thread topic anon?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeG_kK5rPf1DeLtioDnOjU80VuF7B5nFe

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF6B888EF03FC44DA

Japan was in such a luxurious position back in the day they could make anime adaptations of their vidya. Wizardy also had one.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeG_kK5rPf1DeLtioDnOjU80VuF7B5nFe

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF6B888EF03FC44DA

>>714652427
I like how the black mage on top is just staring at the lady's ass

>>714679081
Back when elf was a class

Does Adol still use a shield in the later games? I loved his old Sword and Buckler look.

>>714652282
Adol was already a self-insert you fucking idiot what the hell are you talking about Jesus Christ

>>714675282
Lina is the best then, now, and forever. Lina love!

>>714680014
Why is the show awesome, it's basic af! Maybe it's really just because cute girl funny?

>>714659975
>Artist still around and not retired
Why not just hired the old artist?

>>714652405
Are you saying JRPG protagonists are black? Where are they? Because I want to see them.

>>714652427
Not nearly as bad as World of Warcraft.

>>714672343
Damn what?

>>714670786
>Record of Lodoss War

My man.

>>714671001
>>714670963
>>714670930
>>714670891

Remember when anime characters had more defined noses?

>>714673827
Played this years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuK_XpTOmKA

>>714674698
It's called a trend, and they tend to change.

>>714679112
Because Americans can't do cool stuff unlike the Japanese. At best they can show off their appreciation for nigger worship, but making actual cool neat stuff? That's what the Japanese do only.

>>714681816
This thread was asking about jrpg protagonists. Wonder who makes these JAPANESE rpg protagonists in the current year, must be Americans.
You don't even see how obsessed you are

>>714678497
Holy shit

>>714677669
>>714678493
I remember reading about Hideaki Anno in an old newspaper or article telling people to find inspiration outside of Japan for anime or something of the sort.

>>714654190
Now here's some kino I need to look into

You fags should've supported Helck if you wanted a return of 90's/00's fantasy kino but you never do now fuck you reap what you sow.

>>714659956
Stop
Please
You're killing me

>>714670963
Sei Shoujo...

>>714666869
>>714669405
>>714680003
Old Silent Protagonist =/= Modern Self-Insert
All RPG protagonist are an insertion of the player because you're literally interpreting the role of the protagonist. However, in the past the protagonists of RPGs had a well-defined design which give it a personality in itself. Also not all protagonists used to be silent and still had cool designs. Modern Self-Insert are as bad and generic as possible because they don't want the mythical modern audience for anime to feel threatened if the protagonist is cooler than then, and their designs represent exactly that being non-descriptive as possible. You don't need to play otaku-patrol defending modern Japanese designs because this obvious fact is pointed out.

I've got nothing to contribute, so here's Bastard!!

>>714678584
Ar tonelico is very based though. AT3 in specific looks kind of gorgeous and I can't fault Nagi for his high sci-fi style here. The anemic, clinical look also fits the whole postmodern rotting world vibe the game is going for. Same as his art in DoDonPachi SaiDaiOujo.

>>714681337
I'm getting her game ffs

>>714682685
That the modern anime was as good as it was stunned me. I didn't know it was possible still, they resisted the impulse to shit it up quite well.

>>714668372
Actual answer is antiwhiteism.
transvestites is the peak and end goal of antiwhite dogma.
Gets White men to hate themselves and give up on any form of self assurance or future dreams. Has them biologically erase themselves by cutting their dick off.
Same for White women to a lesser extent, though they are trying to focus on them more now.
The parental bond is only weaker than propaganda when you lack a firm hardened moral opposition to push back.
And NO going 'muh wokies, muh lefties, muh commies, muh kikes' is NOT a firm hardened moral foundation.
You need to ACTUALLY be concerned with the injury towards White men and women first and foremost. Concerned with the destruction of their body, mentality, emotion state, the fact they are being biologically erased.
Be willing to denounce all this as the worst evil to exist and pressure its supporters on why they are so evil. Why they support pedomania.
It got this bad because despite transvestites and antiwhites being immoral the shit huffing faggots crafted a frame work that holds the veneer of looking positive and morally good to sway overly emotional morons. Plus as you stated huge founding pushed from pharma companies, governments, and such.

>>714682489
>All RPG protagonist are an insertion of the player because you're literally interpreting the role of the protagonist
This is the single most retarded statement I've ever read. Might as well say every single videogame ever has insertion of the player because you're always interpreting the role of the protagonist. It's retarded. You're retarded.

>>714653205
>>714653392

Retards who never read a novel.

>>714672526
>antiwhite and usaid is dead. your ilk lost and will never recover
fix'd
And it definitely is NOT dead because balless cucks like you dance like puppets for the kikes. Using all the termanology, ideas, and pathogens the antiwhite scum fucks gave you.
This shit will come right back the second Trump is out, just like it did in 2020.
You want it gone you better be petitioning your politicians to draft up bills that ban ANTIWHITEISM by word.
Not woke
Not DIE
Not communism.
antiwhiteism.

>>714668372
The parents don't push the kids into it. They just relent because that's what they're brainwashed into doing, because telling your kids no doesn't fit with their individualist cosmopolitan worldview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to72IJzQT5k

>>714682983
It was made by the right people

>>714683351
Forgot to mention it's also because kids are easily exploitable and suggestible. Advertisement knows this. It's why McDonalds spends billions tricking your kids.

>>714683073
>anti white
Like white guild? This has to do with weak men and lunatic women.

>>714678462
Nah Vanguard is fucking sick.
Plus him looking more developed, confident and capable is perfectly fine after what he did in PoR.
He literally is no longer a stumbling lost child following after his deceased father.

>>714674570
>Why did they start?
Academia is always pushing boundaries. The problem is we had reach a point where the boundaries were very reasonable, the world could just have stopped there. But it's in their nature to be always questioning the next thing.

>>714681816
Being antiwhite isn't an excuse for having no personality, or soul, anon.

>>714683267
In RPGs the protagonist IS a self-insertion of the player in the sense you play his/her role. That's why you're able to take decisions with him/her also. That modern Japanese developers want you to play as a bland faggot doesn't contradict this simple fact.

>>714683510
antiwhite.
And did you mean White guilt?
Fucking dip shit ESL.
Antiwhiteism creates weak men, it turns women into lunatic traitors.
So yes.
It is infact antiwhiteism at the end of the day.
Now silence yourself as the adults talk.

>>714682217
Doesn't look 90s at all.

>>714683816
>In RPGs the protagonist IS a self-insertion of the player in the sense you play his/her role
You "play the role" of every single protagonist you ever control you autist, there's no distinction between RPGs and other genres outside of the one you just made up. Some games you're meant to self-insert into, some you're not and their genre has absolutely fucking nothing to do with it

>>714667754
That's actually a clone of the king of france who just thinks he is adol

>>714666869
>America elects Barrack Obama
>All Japanese artists suddenly forget how to draw real clothing
Thanks, Obama.

>>714683614
I didn't say it doesn't. It's just, I like the look of a guy who's 'on his way' more than the guy who's 'already there.' I dunno, feels more relatable or something. It side steps the looking/being too perfect? Just personal preference for me.

Even then, both are more preferable to the goody two shoes looking FE protagonists we get now a days.

>>714670745
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>>714670848
>tfw no poofy hair, large pauldron, shading and linework vidya
GET WORKING ON IT INDIES. CHOP CHOP

>>714652427
>>714652470
this is such an insane downgrade holy shit

>>714682489
The fact that modern straight male gacha gamers see literally any male character as a threat and competition is further proof that the modern self insert is a cancerous blight

>>714666869
dawn of Ys is the best

>>714684180
>ou "play the role" of every single protagonist you ever control
RPGs as a genre was born out of you, the player, creating a character you identify with. That's why 99% of old JRPGs let you name the main character, even if they already have canonical names, as a semblance of this origin. I don't know why this known-fact is triggering your autism, but the point of the conversation was protagonists in general went to shit because Japanese developers want to appeal to a modern audience of losers who get angry if the videogame character in the screen doesn't look like a bland, generic template so they can feel better with themselves.

>>714683073
>transvestites is the peak and end goal of antiwhite dogma.
I'm not sure if it's the end goal, it certainly started with feminism and was used as a tool to give people purpose and to legitimate importing thirdies, as boomers fucked up big league.
>Same for White women to a lesser extent, though they are trying to focus on them more now.
Same here. They want women to work and not breed. This takes ages and they know that whites tend to either earn good or not work at all. Thirdies can be enslaved and put in any wage cuck cage.
>The parental bond is only weaker than propaganda when you lack a firm hardened moral
Is that it? People lacking direction and readily gooble up morale to go from the media? Might be. Consumerism blinds plenty.
>You need to ACTUALLY be concerned with the injury towards White men
I am. Outside of the us whites are dying out as we speak. France was a white country not too long ago.
>>714683351
>They just relent because that's what they're brainwashed into doing, because telling your kids no doesn't fit with their individualist cosmopolitan worldview.
There's a fine distinction, sure. I know the works of curtis, this might be his best work and the last documentary he narrated a close second.

>>714684773
Boo fucking hoo. Mihoyo are backtracking the appeal to fujotrannies precisely because they are not the ones paying the server bills.

>>714684773
Indeed. And you know they feel particularly threaten by the presence of any form of masculinity in the game because in gacha the most pushed "shippings" are either yuri/lesbian or homosexual/fujopandering. Rarely you will see the protagonist acting like an actual heterosexual male. The same applies to anime MCs.

>>714678497
Loved this show as a kid

>>714683659
You think this was once justified and the result we have nowadays couldn't be anticipated?

>>714682489
>However, in the past the protagonists of RPGs had a well-defined design which give it a personality in itself
In the OP character's case Falcom deliberately even noted their intention to make Adol Christin's design "generic" and not overdesigned; This is in contrast to nearly other Falcom protagonist from the 80s, 90s and 2000s being very distinct.
Adol's a literal self-insert who's only given a distinct personality in anime format (most anime he appears in are satirical and give him a fucking meme personality because he's a blank slate wooden plank otherwise), and ironically the more recent games.

People complain about "self-inserts" in modern JRPG character design (non-descript everyday Japanese dude), but I can't think of a recent, relevant JRPG protagonist who fits that description; That's originally a visual novel trope and we've seen those kinds of protagonists since the fucking 90s.

>>714683854
>>714685037
I was interrupted, you confederate. I'm asking or intend to ask what came first, anti white or white guilt?

>>714666869
Always starts from level 1, lol

>>714684967
>I don't know why this known-fact
What fact? The retarded phrase "all protagonists are an insertion of the player because you're interpreting the role of the protagonist" as if that statement was different for any other videogame ever made? You're retarded, it's fine, but saying "you're interpreting the role of the MC" as if you just... didn't, in any other game, is so woefully idiotic I'll pretend you're just an ESL to save me some neurons. (You)

yes anons...keep posting them good ol' jrpg artwork images...amplify my collection...

>>714685190
Here's other Falcom protagonists from the same period who are meant to be actual characters and not self-inserts like Adol is; Notice how they're not just "generic swordguy" (which was Falcom's intention) and ooze personality from the designs alone?

>>714666869
>Ragnarok 2001
>the artists designed all clothing pieces
>you should be able to tell the type of fabric used, whether it's leather or cloth or fur
>you can even see the stitch lines

>Ragnarok 2009
>clothes are completely made out of cartoon
>you can tell which fabrics it uses, you also can't tell how it can possibly be attached to the body

What the fuck happened in 2008 which led to the total loss of the knowledge of clothing throughout the world? You can even tell that in real life that people before this date used to dress up better in the street when you look at old footage. Was that when the simulation started?

>>714652282
Literally every Hero character looked like that in the 80's and 90's. It was the japanese version of Bald McTuffguy

>>714685520
God, I miss 90s anime dubs. Also I wish modern anime would return to 90s design aesthetics and just put cute girls in high-waist leotards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kOcNIYGwQo

>>714685795
>Also I wish modern anime would return to 90s design
Say no more
Pic related was anime literally last week

>>714685795
That times over for good. Unfortunately no one will go that route, despite demand being huge. Same for comics.
What I can suggest you is gen ai. They draw fantastic 80s and 90s manga, it's ridiculous how well they get everything, colour, faces and the like.

>>714685918
Looks horrible

>>714659289
Do autists have trouble with perspective?
She's closer to the camera than him, he's looking past her at something off screen to left and behind of her

>>714685918
Puniru and now this make me believe Japan is healing. Hope we get to see more OVA in the future.

>>714685918
Nta but is this supposed to have a full season? All I hear is that it was meant to be an nft shilling project but that side of the business was cancelled.

>>714652427
>>714652449
>>714652470
The modern art lost a sense of warmth and idk rawness? It doesn't look bad it's just missing something.

>>714685190
>Adol Christin's design "generic" and not overdesigned
But the catch here is the attempt of "generic" protagonist by 90s designer standards is still less generic than the attempt at unique designs by modern developers. This happens because the mental frame of the creators was in another place in space-time, in which everything was made to look cool. There was a change in mentality and that caused the change in design.
>but I can't think of a recent, relevant JRPG protagonist
Easy. The protagonist of Metaphor looks like a generic femboy. Despite the design clearly trying to look unique (heterochromia included).

>>714685450
>What fact?
>RPGs as a genre was born out of you, the player, creating a character you identify with.

>>714666869
Ys Seven Adol really looks the best

>>714685918
NTA but
>90s design
>it's the super flanderized Saber Marionette tier anime style but with modern (soulless) direction and color

Some people will eat it up but there is a clear difference between good 90s style and what you posted. Angular faces with huge eyes and black lines arent enough

>>714668540
Actually since 1920's Weimar Germany
>>714668372
A certain race is guilty of pushing it and all other degeneracy that specifically is destroying traditional and inherent Aryan values that Europeans have followed for hundreds of thousands of years, such as patriarchy and intolerance of sexual deviants.

>>714685538
Part of me misses the right though. Nonsensical sexy/edgy clothes was peak 00s and we don't get that anymore either

>>714685918
>Shinsei Galverse (新星ギャルバース, Shinsei Gyarubāsu) is a Japanese fan-funded original net animation (ONA) produced by Arch and animated by S.o.K.
The only way modern jap industry makes something 90s inspired is when the fans pay for it upfront. Grim.

>>714685918
>cel animation
>indoor lighting looks indoors
>outdoors look like outdoors
>day looks like day
>night looks like night

>digital animation
>indoor lighting looks like anime liminal space
>outdoors looks like anime liminal space
>day looks like anime liminal space
>night looks like anime liminal space
Crazy how such a crucial notion in art such as COLORING became basically lost knowledge.

>>714652427
>no depth, they all look they belong on the same plane
>overdesigned armor, why would you need belts on shoulder pads?
>wearing the most unconventional clothing that would get in the way when attacking, is it necessary to carry all that heavy armor just for one average size sword?

>>714652247 (OP)
Because japanese men have turned into twinks.

>>714683338
>>714683073
>>714674570
>>714672526
Do you fags truly believe that political bullshit needs to be in every video game thread?

>>714686395
Let's not get pedantic. The designs are fine. For certain, the look is already an improvement over most anime already (the colors are still off).

>>714686615
That says 2007. Do you have a more recent picture?

>>714686615
>japan today
>06-07
I fucking wish we could go back to 06-07. Visual Kei inspired aesthetics were peak

>>714686128
I think it's just supposed to be a pilot/proof of concept.

>All I hear is that it was meant to be an nft shilling project
The actual truth is that they used NFTs to fund the anime, but the anime itself was/is promised to not contain any NFT garbage/shilling.

>>714652427
average randos who jumped to the quest vs OCs hangout

>>714652247 (OP)
Because it was the anime trend at the time. JRPG protags follow anime trends. If you don't want to believe me, ask yourself this: "When Adol looked like that, what anime was super popular at the time?"

>>714686459
Hxh 1999 is so gorgeous and the ost too.
The remake is ok/good by anime standards but it's crazy how much of a downgrade it is even though there's only 12 years separating the two

Modern anime is mostly bad. If you remove le ebin sakuga with crazy angles and explosions it's low effort, low taste, low art

>>714686429
I know, I know. All those shady quotes will never be questioned by certain people. On the contrary, they will always take the side of Christian haters.
The ultimate truth is that the nobility often enough conspired with certain people. It's white boomers that ruining national states within europe.

>>714686459
all digital animation do is add filter without caring if the color remains vivid.

>>714685918
That's as retro 90s as it gets

>>714686871
Sailor Moon?

>>714686921
I fucking HATE the ebin explosion sounds they use in anime that sound like the mic is blowing out.

>>714686747
>but the anime itself was/is promised to not contain any NFT garbage/shilling.
I mean I saw the episode and clearly they had the intention of having the robot girls be some kind of collectable due to all of them having different concepts but designed under the same umbrella theme. Maybe they will twist it into a gacha? Seems like an uncertain sales pitch.

>>714652427
How did it take 2 going on 3 decades for this sexy design to catch on over l*inclothes in Western coomer fantasy?

>>714652405
>Americans
>Jrpgs

>>714678497
>TFW this was my first introduction to Conan
>TFW the theme song that's going "CONAN. THE MIGHTIEST WARRIOR, EVER!" doesn't even scratch the surface that Conan is a Bad Motherfucker.

>>714687197
Expedition 33 is widely considered a JRPG.

>>714652247 (OP)
JUST GIVE THESE NIGGAS ARMOR AGAIN I FUCKING HATE TRENDY FANTASY CLOTHES AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

>>714687189
Fucking western devs will never learn to draw faces

>>714686459
this is what kills modern anime. the actual lineart and the quality of animation didn't change that much but the coloring techniques and the overuse of filters and the shift from recording techniques and lack of film usage all literally give modern anime such an immensely different feel and no studio feels like breaking the mold in this scenario. not using filters and just going crazy with the paint bucket for characters already feels like a *statement*, I have no idea why japs think this post processing garbage is okay when it's the equivalent to green screens

>>714686679
I'm not being pedantic anon
It's fine if you like the faces but it's the kind of flanderized 90s moefaces that killed the style (again Saber Marionette) and what murricans though anime was like.

The problem with modern anime isn't really the chara design but the complete lack of cinematrography, color theory, etc

>>714687559
Compare with Slayers

>>714687559
>>714687661
i cant believe japan has fallen................................

Although it's not perfect at least we have AI now
I'd gladly pay money to real artists to draw in that styl if I had the money

>>714687189
loin

>>714687559
No, modern anime HAS a problem with chara design. It looks like absolute DOGSHIT in all cases. The other things you mention being a problem is also true.

>>714687661
And now Saber Marionette
Japs saw that anime and collectively reacted "we went too far..."

For me it's American Adol

>>714687891
dogi wielding weapons is the most offensive part of this

>>714687559
>>714687661
>>714687857
Damn Japanese, they ruined anime.

>>714659956
The girls getting a cute sailor uniform is an improvement doughbeit

>>714687879
Blame Obari, even he tamed himself down after 2 decades.

>>714652247 (OP)
>Rance but red

>>714688361
Rance literally started off as a parody of Ys, retard.

The details are not perfect but if spent enough time prooomting one can iron them out

>>714687857
Absolute non-example. They on purpose tried to match the original manga more closely, the merits of which are an entirely different debate. Also, the new look does have less soul than either the manga or the old anime, but once again, that is a different debate (it doesn't look soulless due to the character design but because of the coloring etc. techniques).

>>714687857
Both are OK, personally I prefer left ofc.

>>714688181
Wrong. We need more people copying Oobari (and improving upon his style!).

The computer technology is here, what is stopping (You) from making a game in this style

>>714653583
I liked that plot but him defeating a literal world ender as a level 1 with a broken sword doing 1 damage and making it run like a bitch was even better

>>714688635
Idk man chicks designed like mecha with hips that can be used to open beer bottles is dangerous business.

>>714688593
>They on purpose tried to match the original manga
Oh fuck off already with this shitty excuse that has been disproven many times. Here's another example of redesign that has nothing to do with the original.

>>714689092
>streamlined to death
Disgusting

>>714686972
I'm not sure if I read you correctly, that you are supporting christianity. But it was first and foremost christian church that conspired with the juden for two thousand years, against Europeans.
NSDAP recognized how alien and unfitting christian values are with European ones too, and began rooting it out. Its at total odds with the Germanic heroic worldview, the "man of action" principle, warrior culture and such.

>>714688743
No money

>>714688045

>>714689412
Nice edit bro. Because this is an edit, right?

>>714689232
It was always white leaders conspiring with Jews. Jews are white, much to the astonishment of their fellow Arab neighbours. The estimations say that there were 5000 to 10000 Jews left, numbers don't add up, as so often.

>>714668372
It's not some retarded conspiracy. The stereotypical, perverted, basement dwelling nerd archetype who existed from the 60's-00's was hit hard by the idea that they could live out their fantasies and fetishizations of women by becoming one. It's that simple.

SOVL

>>714689412
>Yeah but they made it more true to the LNs!
>In hindsight the LNs weren't very good at all.
I'm fine with Orphen being peak 90s style over substance.

>>714689653
You think there were always the deranged 20%? I really doubt it. It's also not what trans teen research indicates. Troon propaganda does seem to work and trick people into transition. The friends of my younger family all sing the song how they are bisexual. They are young teens and no one asked.

>>714689815
Blaze and blade vibes

>>714689290

Be the change you want to see in the world

>>714685538
You are a retard for not knowing the context.

PC-98 bros...

>>714687857
As >>714688593
Pointed out this has nothing to do with the chara design. It's a faithful recreation of the OG manga which, in turn, was faithful to 70/80s shoujo.

Boomer weebs need to accept that the chara design isnt the problem and putting big noses won't save anime.

It's 100% an issue of art direction and talent.
Look at Rose of Versailles. It's a weird 70s shoujo style but the 2025 version looks as bland as any random anime while the old anime is considered a masterpiece. It's the same chara design, same big noses, same stylized eyes.

Anime used to feel "special" because it was like "drawn cinema" instead of just animated cartoons but that era is over

>>714679081
that game was good

>>714685795
SOVL

>>714690302
I'm thinking about it, really. Already made all the documents, albeit with plenty of placeholders. I'm not sure I can pull it in a reasonable amount of time. Other than that I would hate to produce slop.

>>714685918
looks awful

>>714689652
No lol, jews are not White.
>The estimations say that there were 5000 to 10000 Jews left, numbers don't add up
Thats correct and all the current day ashkenazi jews are their inbred descendants. They are riddled with inheritable mental illnesses like Tay Sachs and schizophrenia because they were forbidden from mixing with Europeans until like the 1700's, so for the first 1000 years in Europe they all come from a very small group.

White = European.
That means 100%. There's no wiggle room there.
Jews are anywhere ranging from 10% to 90% semitic DNA, and some varying amounts of European DNA. Thats not a White.

>>714691235
>art direction
Didn't I read an article that art direction is dead like 10 years ago? It's not that the creative industry doesn't know.

>>714689653
Nope there is literally a conspiracy to promote it

>>714691568
>their inbred descendants
Anything else is really hard to believe.
>tay sachs
Qur?
>they aren't white
I meant to say they have white dna.

>>714683703
Why should I give a fuck about white people when they have no culture? Sure, a few of them are good, but do they have anything that Japan has? Do they have a culture that is alive? No, they don't. Well, unless you count nigger worship as proof of an alive culture.

Unironically, Japan should just fully embrace 3DCG.

>>714691943
That looks awful but it is better than anything currently being released in the west, so I'll have to give it that.

>>714691924
You believe white people have no culture because you're surrounded by it like a fish is surrounded by water.

You're talking in english, on a computer/phone, on the internet, talking about vidya and animation.
All things whites have invented.

The whole world is "white culture" which is why people wear suits and jeans and not kimonos.
Pic unrelated

>>714691943
dorohedoro is one of the better looking cgi animes and it still looks like dogshit compared to the manga art

>>714691397
I emulated it a few days ago. Really sucks that you can't save and save states don't work.

>>714691235
No, the design is dogshit. And as shown by these examples here >>714689092 >>714683816 the redesigns are a result of ideological reasons and incompetency. Numerous times have been discussed to death why Shitstal is a bad show and a bad remake for Sailor Moon. Even from a purely anatomical perspective the new design of Usagi in that image is bad, which can be noted in her wrist, hand and ponytails. Btw, old animators had a special template to point out HOW her ponytails must be drawn, just showing one of the many insane details and love it was put in the original show.

>>714688028
I bet Adol doesn't even destroy a boat in North American versions D:

>>714687076
Slayers.

Setsuna isn’t popular anymore

Trying to restore the balance soon with my indie game. The whole dark contrast stuff is hard though.

Does /v/ like the look in my pic?

>>714686871
when are we getting horny literally me jrpg protags like denji then?

>>714692819
If you want an opinion from another drawfag, I still think it looks too modern. But I don't know how well the 90s look translate into 3D.

>>714687879
what the fuck is that thing lmao

>>714692949
>literally me jrpg protags like denji
So a gay hobo working for the feds bootlicking a hag?

>>714692819
we are rooting for you anon

>>714685538
To be fair the right is more canonical to the more stronger classes/people in the original manhwa. The artist just sucks ass. Fourth job looks pretty bad as well. Sprites are decent but man they lost their touch. Complete mobileslop.

I still play prere RO every couple years so it hurts even more.

>>714692819
It looks nothing like classic anime. You're using the wrong thread to shill your game

>>714693356
That's objectively bad looking. Bland, boring and tranime.

>>714686176
>Easy. The protagonist of Metaphor looks like a generic femboy. Despite the design clearly trying to look unique (heterochromia included).
I thought we were talking about generic self-inserts?
Do you know what a generic self-insert design is?

>>714693064

Haha yeah, I was afraid so.

>>714693313

Thanks, my fellow shield and sword enthusiast. I root for you too.

>>714693380

Haha, I have been found out. There was no dev thread in the catalog ;_;

>>714692819
The artstyle is modern but I can see what you're doing with the clothes, trying to bring back the ""simpler"" clothes in the 90s and 00s.

I personally like the style you went with but I can see others being turned off, comparing it to Genshin or whatever nuanime games do now. Hope your game does well.

>>714687559
>but it's the kind of flanderized 90s moefaces that killed the style (again Saber Marionette) and what murricans though anime was like.
>murricans
Saber Marionette and other anime with that kind of artstyle were never popular in the 1990s

Americans just thought anime was Sailor Moon, Pokemon and Akira.

>>714693510
It is. They peaked with 2nd job.

>>714687857
Shitposting aside the modern version is actually closer to the manga design visually.

>>714692375
>The whole world is "white culture" which is why people wear suits and jeans and not kimonos.
People do not wear suits and jeans anymore in the western world. They wear cookie monster sweatpants and 100% polyester t-shirts made in Bangladesh. Sure, we did invent these nice things, Computers, Cellphones, the Internet, Video games, etc. But is this really something to gloat about when Western countries are filled with niggers and high crime rates that make life unbearable to live? You can say that we invented X or Y all you like, it's not going to make the reality that Japan has surpassed us in every facet of culture magically go away. Japan is the only ethnically homogeneous country left in the world that isn't a shithole and can actually produce very nice things.

>>714693973
DQ Dai was a fun anime

>>714693745
Indeed, it looks fantastic. Same game?

>>714652802
Just look at that gigachadius surrounded by girls, ready to take on the dragon.
Those were the days...

>>714693973
god i miss the 90s

>>714693973
Tenshi Ni Narumon... soul...

>>714691235
Art direction still exists but you're not getting it in remakes lol. That's a "safe" series, that gets minimum effort. If your issue is that you just hate digital color then fuck off.

>>714692615
No offense but it's like talking to someone who insists that modern music is bad because of sampling and synthetic instruments and can't understand that synths and sampling aren't bad in and on themselves but because the songs are composed poorly.
>Music was better bc of the guitars. They should bring them back!


The trigun remake would have been garbage even if they kept the original chara design. Shitty cgi, no direction, no sense of color, nothing.

As for Ramna (and Urusei yatsura) these remakes are actually good.

They are ones of the few modern anime that use the bright, shiny colors in a new "pop" style that enhances the gags and make them fun. They don't aim to replace the old ones, it's a new thing... but i guess that since they censored a single outfit it must be bad lol

>>714694089
Ragnarok Online ye

>>714654667
Clive was a welcomed breath of fresh air.

>>714694089
Yes

>>714659328
We all do

>>714694207
>>714694327
you wouldn't happen to have an image of all the classes' artworks, wouldn't you?

>>714693973
left looks so much better it's unreal

>>714685051
this
>y-you're insecure! incel!
the simple fact of the matter is that this is a game about hot bitches, why are we dedicating resources/screentime to men?
answer: because you're a greedy jew trying to also get the woman/faggot audience, ergo as a straight white male your game is not worth my time
this happens with ashtonishing consistency
>gacha game aimed at young horny men has/introduces a few male characters
>gets a non-insignificantly sized women audience
> starts adding more men, women start getting less sexy and more covered up
>events become about pairing the characters because women and gays love shipping
>game's story devolves into endless relationship drama and shipping bait

>>714694327
That looks good, too

>>714659975
Holy FUCK dude it's like they extracted the testosterone from every male character but the bad guys

>>714694392
https://www.creativeuncut.com/art_ragnarok-online_a.html

>>714694484
>extract masculinity
Curse level 5, - 5 con, - 10 cha, girl

>>714693973
late 90s to early 2000s lolicon was peak

>>714670786
Lodoss will, undisputedly, always hold the title of having the COOLEST artwork in anime. No contest

>>714693973
so much abhorrent dogshit on the right lmao

>>714694201
Not my problem if modern animators are hacks who don't understand how art works.

>>714694838
AIEEEEEE NOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHERRYPICK!
YOU CAN'T JUST PROVE ANIME WAS ALWAYS 99% TREND-CHASING SLOP!

>>714682217
That's more early 10's not 90's at all.

>>714694838
>Thoma on the right
Come the fuck on he is a literal wifebeater and makes hags, petanko, lolis and crazy cunts cum on site.

>>714693637

Thanks. I am not happy yet, but it is getting there. What I really want is to go towards this vibe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dBAWcYGBIg

>>714695073
That's the joke.
Most of the characters on the right have had sex lmao

>>714685918
looks exactly like the average 90s anime kek
only secondaries will say otherwise

>>714652247 (OP)
Tales of Arise was only a few years ago

>>714695212
>>714694964
That just makes the new ones worse since they're even more clichéd than they already seem to be.

>>714694198
It's not that it doesnt exists anymore. It's that it gets rarer and rarer.
Up until 2005 or so even commercial anime produced to sell TOYS had some modicus of style

Nowadays, you pick up some supposed "action anime" and unless it's some overproduced full-budget series they don't even manage to feel as dynamic and stylish as fucking Beyblade which, in itself, is mediocre

>>714694949
right looks better

>>714688442
No one asked for some random AI slop buddy.

>>714694949
Both are great in their own style

>>714694198
>Art direction still exists but you're not getting it in remakes lol.
The Yaiba remake oozes in style and runs circles around the 90s original in almost all qualities.

>>714694484
It does look like that. Asians need to understand that neoteny is only good in women.

>>714666869
Peaked at 1993

>>714695573
bakuten shoot looks like complete unfiltered dogshit, madhousebabs need not respond

>>714695772

>>714695772
Aoyama's artstyle has its charm and is very difficult to fuck up, especially when Conan is still around to keep it consistent, for example I wouldn't want a Getter Robo nowadays because I'm 100% they would fuck up Go Nagai's style.

>>714695573
Yeah wonder why. Maybe it's because in Summer 2007 we had 21 new TV anime, and in Summer 2025 we have 65, and this is consistent across the whole of the last 12 months.

Kyoani makes MAYBE one new anime a year, focuses on training new artists, and offers competitive (for the industry) wages, with minimal outsourcing. And their shit is consistently amazing, visually at the bare minimum even if you want to seethe about the writing talent. There's a pretty clear cause and effect chain here man. The studios that do less with more native talent, train the next generation, and pay well and don't push shitty hours make better art. In anime, games, and literally everything else. It's not rocket science.

>>714694198
>Art direction still exists
Funnily enough, actual Japanese directors think the opposite.
>Now, while the budgets are bigger, there’s a lot more we can do, and there’s a lot of work that needs to be done, but there aren’t enough people in the industry to get the work done. We can’t just add more people willy-nilly; the animators are artisans and craftspeople, so they take a long time to train. That’s the reason we have a shortage now. This goes to directors, too. They take a lot of time to train and a lot of skills and experience to have a good director direct a series."
https://www.cbr.com/lazarus-hbo-max-anime-industry-problems/
White Knights of modernslop don't understand they disagree with reality.

On the topic of remakes this is pure cancer, worse even than Ruoroni Kenshin or Shaman King. Fuck it watch the original.

>>714695772
Yaiba is very much an exception to the rule, I doubt you're gonna start sucking off Dai no Daibouken.
>>714696269
Your quote doesn't contradict my point at all. Art direction does exist. This merely says there is a shortage because WOW, THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF ANIME EVERY FUCKING SEASON COMPARED TO TWO DECADES AGO. Damn, I fucking WONDER why only 3-6 series a year have good art direction, it's a fucking mystery.

>>714695212
What's that show on the left? Looks kino

>>714696196
>I wouldn't want a Getter Robo nowadays because I'm 100% they would fuck up Go Nagai's style
>Go Nagai
I too wouldn't want the style of some egotistical faggot who didn't write a singular page of the manga yet crowned himself the creator and tried to spread that image at every opportunity

>>714696069

>>714695212
overlord is based

>>714694838
has someone ever made something like a female eren? a character who exposes all the conceit and vanity in the target audience, but done for women?

>>714696198
I'm not a boomer seething at everything that is new so yeah it's good that kyoani and others are doing great stuff. We can only hope more follow their path

I was merely noting that even mediocre studios of the past were doing stuff that would be considered "above average" today
Sadly, most anime watchers can't seem to tell the difference between something competent and actual slop so the market will keep dragging most anime down

>>714696619
Might be a far shot and debatable but Library of Baltorra maybe?

>>714696459
>No bro but-
Ok, but you realize you're coping and disagreeing with people who have 2 decades of experience in the industry, right?

>>714696459
>I doubt you're gonna start sucking off Dai no Daibouken
Dai no Daibouken AND Mahoujin Guru Guru, yes.

The Dai remake's a legitimate contender for the greatest television anime of the decade so far, but a lot of that's attributed to just how damn great the original manga was. The actual 90s Dai anime adaption really doesn't hold up, even compared to other popular shonen adaptions from the same period.

>>714696461
Be-Yond. It's an OVA adaption of a visual novel, the isekai twist doesn't happen in the OVA because the OVA never adapts that far and just abruptly kind of ends like most OVA adaptions do.

>>714696342
What is this?
The shaman king remake was awful god don't make me remember.

The digimon adventure remake was a monkey paw's wish.
The animation was actually great unlike the original but everything else was dogshit. They created a reverse remake

We had it so good back then.

>>714696619
>a character who exposes all the conceit and vanity in the target audience, but done for women?
Utena and Anthy.

>>714692819
No, looks like all the examples of modern slop in this thread

>>714696886
> the isekai twist doesn't happen in the OVA
So it becomes... native isekai?

>>714696069
the OG feels like its too little and the new one is it better. but at the same time the new does feel like its has way too much stuff.

>>714696910
Hell's teacher Nube. Completely killed the comedy, no fanservice and blatantly skipped a whole arc in the first episode.

>>714696631
Audiences don't have much to do with it, production committees greenlighting 200+ series a year burning out the talent at every studio does. Kadokawa seeing a bump in sales in their LN sales every time they get an anime means they will keep doing it.

>>714696797
Respond to the content of the post or don't respond at all you subhuman. Or at the very least your own source.

>>714697016
No, protagonist has amnesia after awakening at the beginning and it's played out that the Demon Lord lost his memory after being awoken from his slumber and that's why he's a dork.
It's revealed that he's just some generic dude from a far-off planet who got reincarnated as the demon lord.

>>714678497
>mfw Conan the Adventurer posted in the fucking thread

>>714697068
You're coping and seething because even Jap directors don't agree with you. People who actually work in the industry and have first-hand experience over decades are saying they have a shortage of talented people and things are going to shit. Many crafts and arts are getting lost (probably forever) but retards like you prefer to close their eyes and jack-off to the last FOTM because you're weak NPC consumers.

>>714659328
>>714659197
Isn't that just rance

>>714697023
>the new one feels like it has way too much stuff.

That's most "well animated" animes nowadays.
Don't get me wrong, It's fun and well done, but at some point, the KURAIZEE angles and stuff going on everywhere become redundant during the fights.
Sometimes less is more. Still, Yaiba is well done

>>714686174
No, it looks BAD, very bad. If you look closely you'll notice a steep decline in detail and in-world function. Personally I call it "shape clutter", where cheap artists just add random nonsensical shapes to armor, clothing and weaponry that fill up the screen, without any sensible purpose to any of them.
Reason for the decline is simple too, old artists used to study historical armor and clothing. An interest in fantasy and history always went hand-in-hand, nowadays artists are hired fresh out of "art" collage and have no interest in anything besides building their portfolio.

>>714654453
Wizardry daphne

>>714689267
One of the few rare cases where the newest remake artstyle looks nice

>>714698270
>animes
plural for anime is anime

>>714689412
What the FUCK

>>714698493
it's more like the characters don't blend with the environment, they look copypasted over
armor design has a role in it but it's not just nonsensical "high fantasy" bullshit, it's an actual decline in the process of hiring someone for an art piece and hiring two or three people with a manager overlooking the work and saying "eh fine enough"

>>714666869
Ys 8 at least explained his outfit change on multiple occasions, and 9 gets a pass considering the plot. But they really had no excuse with X. ESPECIALLY when the cleria armor looks so fucking good in that game, too.

>>714697573
>People who actually work in the industry and have first-hand experience over decades are saying they have a shortage of talented people and things are going to shit
Where are the people saying this? Every source I've known/seen from old animators and directors (people who've been in the industry as far back as the 60s-70s) like Tomino and Takahata, or even 90s guys like Mitsuo Iso, have all said that there's more talent in the anime industry today than there's ever been.
Tomino himself actually laments that he'd never be able to create something like Kimetsu no Yaiba (lol) back in the day because it was physically impossible.

They all attribute the decline in quality of modern anime specifically to the fact that the industry's grown too much; In the past, all of the talented writers, animators, directors, musicians, and artists could easily find themselves working on similar projects; That's why there's so many fucking phenomenal anime OVAs or anime movies from back in the day; The industry was smaller.

Now everybody's scattered across hundreds of studios. There's 50+ anime being made per season. Studios have to settle for hiring maybe a talented animator but have to skim off and hire an average director because the talented director's somewhere else making a project with good direction but shitty visuals.

If you want to see the modern industry coming together and gathering tons of talent across the board on a singular project, go watch the first season of Mushoku Tensei. Second season runs into the issue of a lot of the talent that made season 1 good being held up on other projects and not being able to return.

The animation and even art quality of a lot of modern television anime has gotten so good that you'll only find better stuff in classic movies and OVAs, not TV series.

>>714652282
Adol literally is mute so the player can put his own personality as him. Self-insert does not mean "protagonist I don't like" and there's nothing wrong with self-inserting since video games are escapism fantasy

>>714666869
What a piece of shit trend chasing series. You should be ashamed of yourself if you enjoy these games. Total weebslop.

>>714668372
Depopulation agenda. Real thing with real power behind it.

>>714698902
No, armor and weapon design is the entirely of it. It also extends to creature design, but that's it. What you're noticing is just the difference in digital design, but that part is irrelevant. You lack an eye for it, as do many people unfortunately, but the decline of the design is everything.

>>714696886
Dai was so good.

>>714699212
Adol has had a pretty clearcut direction for his personality ever since the Ark engine games based on the narration, and the 3D games have only expanded on it with the optional dialogues and occasional vocal moments.

>>714666869
1988-1995 are kino, and it just gets worse and worse from there

>>714696972
This looked cool before I realized it was some gay show.

Another problem I have with current anime is that every single one is an adaptation of something, and they get all the money, while an anime original is slop and gets no money or talent.

Just give me some fucking original content mixed in with adaptations that have some heart to it please

>>714698270
Imagining all the unnecessary camera cuts this would have if made today makes me sick.

>>714652247 (OP)
You don't understand, he NEEDS to wear Hoodie Armor. People won't connect with him if he just wears basic ass conventional armor. It needs to be stupid shit like Battle Jackets, and combat Ponchos.

>>714699628
>while an anime original is slop and gets no money or talent.
Bro your Akiba Maid wWars and other cygames kino?

>>714667240
Today I will remind them.

>>714697573
>>714699140
You should look into Tomino's ramblings on modern anime more. I think he's the only one of the old vanguard left who still consistently watches modern anime. He's surprisingly on point and non-biased 90% of the time; He critiques a lot and praises a lot too.

Dude fucking tears Attack on Titan a new asshole and calls the creator a bullied little bitch, loves Love Live, and thinks Girls und Panzer is disgusting for making war "cute".

>>714699628
>and they get all the money
It's random at this point. There are popular adaptations the get no money and random original shows that sneak by with quality all the way through. You need to look harder if you're not seeing any original anime releases.

>>714666869
man Monstrum Nox is so bad you can isolate the character art and you'd never tell it was Adol if you didn't already know lmao

>>714699860
>loves Love Live, and thinks Girls und Panzer is disgusting for making war "cute".
That opinion is very conflictive idk what to think about it.

>>714689092
christ, it was a good idea to avoid that trigun revival, what the fuck

>>714652282
I want a faceless badass man for maximum self-insert ludo, tyvm.

>>714700235
I think his sentiment is mostly because Tomino thinks war itself is something frightful and terrible, nearly all of his anime he's directed is about showcasing war as this horrible thing that breaks people.

And then you have a show about cute girls in tanks making a mockery of war to sell to horny men, at least in his eyes.

>>714699860
>and thinks Girls und Panzer is disgusting for making war "cute".
the man has spent 50 years of his life saying WAR IS BAD, what did you expect?

>>714685538
Once JRO/Gungho took over, it was pretty much over for Ragnarok.
I mean, look how many times they've tried to recapture the magic of the Priestess. None of the new "priest" classes can hold a candle to it's iconic ass design.

>>714699860
Tomino simply said that AoT had an ugly artstyle. He didnt read it
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-12-03/gundam-creator-tomino-praises-and-criticizes-attack-on-titan-manga

>>714688743
No time. Have you tried it?
I tried making a simple card game and gave up after I realized that generating even 2-3 card arts per day was hard to keep up with when you can't dedicate to it fully.

>>714700551
>a show about cute girls in tanks making a mockery of war to sell to horny men
first thing that came to mind, anyone that has a minor semblance of knowledge about war, let alone what it was to be a tank crew, would never find that premise cute

>>714700883
He watched a few episodes of the TV series, actually.

>>714654667
Clive was amazing

>>714699860
>>714700883
snk is ass so he's in the right

>>714700551
Well yeah I understand the war issue probably being a generation thing and personally I like GuP simply because tank autism but why the praise to Love Live? I am not well informed of the series but as far as I know it's like Monogatari, a popular series in japan that has a weird romance angle made for rom otaku but not unlike the former it's deep down not much of a big deal.

>>714699312
Idk, there's truth to it. These monoliths have a matching text, too. They were blown up iirc. Musk recently said that we need more children. His argument is that we need more genius people and for this we need plenty of (white) children.

>>714654667
>best design wasted on that fucking game
Him and Torgal deserved better.

>>714699312
EU is the prototype for globalisation. No nations, no borders, no identity. A classless mass of mobile workers.

>>714699628
>>714699767
Cygames has been consistently putting out really good anime originals this decade.

Bravern fucking broke 2chan every week when it was airing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkg_03wzNKQ

>>714652282
Better to be a badass like Adol than an emo or a troon like Megaten games

>>714697831
Looks like Lodoss to me.

>>714699831
What's flash guard

>>714701187
greatest love story ever told

>>714694207
Huh? Thats Fates Kagero.

>"why don't they make anime originals like they used to"
>they do
>nobody watches it

This thread is depressing. I miss old art styles so fucking much, in both anime and video games in general.

>>714702060
sauce?

>>714702060
People don't watch them because they aren't advertised. What even is this?

>>714702210
That's Megalo Box. Basically a sci-fi reimagining of Ashita no Joe but rushed.

>>714702162
>>714702210
Megalo Box seasons 1 and 2.
It's the 50th Anniversary Project for Ashita no Joe, anime original anime.
It's not connected to Ashita no Joe but it's heavily inspired by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzYf8hmtVbg

>>714699831
>complaining about Flash Guard and not Flash Move
Yikes!

>>714693821
Japan's culture is also Western.

>>714702305
>Basically a sci-fi reimagining of Ashita no Joe but rushed
Season 1's a rushed reimagining of Ashita no Joe.
Season 2's an interesting subversion of Ashita no Joe that isn't rushed and is allowed to have it's own personality.

>>714702570
I haven't seen S2 but I've heard it's pretty good. Might give it a try if it actually does its own thing.

>>714702695
>Might give it a try if it actually does its own thing.
It does. A lot actually.

>>714652247 (OP)
I hate how so many nip games have you play as a female now instead of a hero that has a female companion.

>>714703165
When you can't get a gf, you become the gf.

>>714652247 (OP)
Shonen slop while in America, pozz'd up Reddit shit happened.
On a side note: Ys went downhill BIG TIME with Ys 7 onward with not only excessive emphasis on party, gimmicky display shit, musso shit, bastardizations of European folklore, and even toilet humor but also fucked up why it was called Ys in the first place.
The series needs to get retconned and corrected and focus on something about returning to Ys after it rejoined the rest of the world.

>>714702060
>Megalobox
Mid.

>>714703165
Any other fruity opinions, gay boy?

>>714703740
The second season is literally the best-written sports anime of all time regardless of decade.

>>714703941
"boxing le bad"
wow how riveting

>>714704041
You can be reductionist on any anime's message you pretentious faggot.
The ending of Megalo Box is beautiful just because of how it contrasts with and challenges Ashita no Joe's ending. Boxing isn't worth throwing your life away, and it's selfish to glorify going out that way when you have people waiting for you.

Is the fact that the men in E33 actually look like proper masculine men one of the reasons japs hate it? Self insert fags really are the most pathetic insecure people on the planet lol. The degradation of the jrpg protagonist over time is just one of many pieces of evidence for this.

>>714693745
__Male Crusader was by far my favorite sprite in the game, aside from the weird angle of the weapon in the idle stance that made it look like you were holding a butter knife if you had a sword equipped.

>>714704640
that guy looks like a gay frog. never played or even looked at whatever e33 is

>>714704824
heres 2 more male main characters

>>714699831
The biggest trick devil pulled on RPGs was to convince people into thinking they MUST be about the narrative first and foremost.

>>714670891
Marth if he abducted and returned as a dancer class several chapters later

>>714652247 (OP)
We still got it good. Just look for niches.

>>714705863
if only the octopath games didnt feel so disjointed with the way the character stories go. theres no cohesion or interconnectivity between any of them. in fact the game might as well just be about any 1 of those stories alone rather than all of them because none of the character stories have anything to do with any of the other ones and they barely even acknowledge each other in game. it feels so fucking... lazy.

>>714706506
Absolutely, I get what they were trying to achieve but neither the genre was up for what they wanted to do and they didn't have the dexterity to pull it off, Octopath would be great with a single direction.

>>714705863
That middle guy's smile could light up a cave.

>>714706506
I don't mind it.

>>714704824
guy on left looks better, if a bit older. The pimp cane is a nice addition.

>>714706952
He's the best character.

>>714666869
I don't get why the art in Nordics was so bad. I don't mean design wise, I just mean actual skill wise. The anatomy for every character is extremely wonky and the drawings are amateurish. Nox for example is a bad design but clearly drawn by a professional, but Nordics had horrible 2D art for everyone.

every jrpg character should look like langrisser essentially
you just have shitbag modern artists who are either not talented enough, or too afraid to be unique and stray from the flowchart of design which requires sticking very close to generic-ness as possible. see the langrisser remake for example, all unique, all non generic parts like huge armour and giant capes? slimmed down or removed into ordinary sized armour and ordinary sized capes, none of the background space of the headshot is utilized anymore.

>>714707104
he's immediately irredeemable if you don't play with jp audio. but none of the design of either octopaths characters is 'good'

>>714687720
The game on the right is based and the game on the left is shit.

>>714652247 (OP)
90s anime went out of fashion

>>714693528
He posted a generic self insert and you didn't.

>>714659197
hate this style love the hair tho its so edgy.
>oversized boots
>shitty armor that only covers the top body

At least the guy is muscular like a warrior should be, reminds me of Rance

>>714699140
>>714699860
Your cope: blabla, anime is good as ever, nostalgiafags are [insert here your favorite cope]
Reality:
>A-1 Pictures' latest financial results were made public in Japan's Official Gazette on June 30, 2025, as reported by Gamebiz, revealing a net loss of 178 million yen (approximately US$1.1 million). In contrast, the studio posted a net profit of 24 million yen in the previous fiscal year ending in March 2024. This is the most significant loss the Aniplex subsidiary has faced in the last 10 years -- a period during which the studio consistently reported profits, with the exception of a minor loss in the fiscal year ending March 2020. March 2016 was the studio’s most profitable year, when it reported a profit of around 350 million yen.
https://www.cbr.com/solo-leveling-a1-pictures-biggest-loss/
One of the oldest anime studios is in the brink of bankruptcy and is now begging fans for money to survive. But here are you, o' ye olde White Knight, saying that everything is right. Because you want to chase the latest trend and the lowest common denominator!

>>714693973
God this image makes me miss the 90's. It really shows how garbage the 2020's are. It's either animations of shit from 15 years ago, copying shit from the 90's, or absolute trash shows like the gundams shown. Almost nothing of lasting quality that will be remembered was made.

Been trying to get a classic anime art like style

>>714704640
JRPG protagonists have been self inserts since day 1. That's why so many of them are silent.

Your main character carries the story, so they're often made as generic as possible to avoid alienating anyone.

>>714709134

>>714683614
""I've had pain, I've had suffering, and I have gotten up and moved on."" - Ike

>>714695212
Ainz isn't a nice person at all. Half of the episodes he is committing atrocities against innocents, of all races. What retards make these things?

>>714709074
You're a fucking retard, only the best stuff of any decade is remembered. All but the cream of the crop fades into obscurity

>>714709009
>blabla, anime is good as ever, nostalgiafags are [insert here your favorite cope]
Who are you quoting?

>>714699089
>No excuse to change him out of his armor
>In the sailing game
>Where going overboard in your armor is a guaranteed drowning

>>714709009
And both your link and greentext have literally fucking nothing to do with what was said.

>>714709231

>>714702060
I watched it and never recommended it to another soul because its mid.

>>714683614
The mid way version between teen & adult is the best version of Ike

>>714652247 (OP)
I don't need to self insert always just like I didn't sel insert when watching disney as a toddler

>>714652247 (OP)
Too unrealistic, nobody looks like this

>>714704351
Thanks for spoiling that for me and letting me know it's more dumb bullshit about how it's not worth it to try at anything because some generic shit about people caring about you.

Slam Dunk is the greatest sports related manga/anime and garbage with a message of "sports are scary" does not compare. Imagine if we all looked at Ali with pity instead of admiration because we were homosexuals like you. Disgusting.

>>714708728
I get the head, OK, I do. Why fuck up the torso like that?

>>714708931
>reminds me of Rance
That's because Rance is from the exact same late-80s/early-90s period in Japanese Fantasy art as Brandish, Lodoss War, Xanadu, and Escaflowne. Top-heavy armor for the men and bikinis for the women, big fucking shoulderpads and dramatic capes, the works. It's just that he's largely kept his design moving forward even as the genre has changed around him, such that we now have more pretty boys than manly men (Yudeus, Kirito, etc.).

>>714704041
>Anime about a sport where you have to risk your life for glory
>cries about having to risk your life for glory

You should have to have a certain T level to write a sports plot.

>>714709635
Self insertion is the entire point of silent protagonists. Why else do you think they don't speak? It's so you can imagine yourself as them.

>>714709642
some irish britbonger with red hair and a lot of hair fixer / spray

>>714709350
There is nothing made past 2020 worth remembering in terms of Anime. We are on year 5 and there is nothing. Contrast that to the 90's, in which this year Neon Genesis Evangelion would be airing.

>>714702360
They didn't have the balls to kill him.

>>714709842
looks like shit because the armor never covers the torso well. Fire Emblem also does this. Anime sucked at making armor

I h8 this armor style i can cut the stomach and get him disemboweled. The cape is cool but yeah not a fan.

>>714709937
so nobody?

>>714652427
>>714652449
>>714652470
It's fucking soul hallowing

>>714710369
The Nigga from Fantastic Beasts can pull it off, he has to hit the gym a bit tho he is too lanky

>>714652247 (OP)
>tfw no proper Japanese Barbarian Sword & Sorcery has ever been created

>>714709779
>>714709864
How cute, this is the part where people who haven't even watched the show pretend to be experts based on a two line synopsis.

Protag played to win throughout season 1 with no regards to his own health.
Protagonist played to die in the time between Season 1 and Season 2 before reuniting with the closest thing he has to family to protect.
The protagonist literally gets fucking brain damage and is told if he pushes himself further he'll die.
He still fights in the final match knowing it will kill him, and he'll openly fight to the death if he's allowed to go all out.
He tells his closest companion that's almost like a son/little brother to him to only decide to throw in the towel if things look bad since none of his family wants him to die.
His "little brother" throws in the towel and he's okay with the decision.

The entire point of the show is that the protagonist was a guy with nothing to lose and that's why he boxed, who gradually gains everything to lose and puts his life in the hands of his companions.

>>714702060
Nomad is incredibly boring. Just watch Megalo box s1.

>>714666869
That may be true to an extent but his design is at least pretty cool which sets him apart from a loser self-insert which would be consciously designed to look lame. He would wear no armor, a plain white shirt, plain pants, and certainly wouldn't have a distinctive bright hair color.

>>714652247 (OP)
Design is cooler and more /aryan/ now. Get up with the times boomer stop consuming the faggot anime slop.

>>714703165
Even SMT kinda dropped that sadly.
Bit at least in some you can make it so.

>>714709779
>>714710619
The ending would only be soured if the protagonist willingly stepped down or refused to fight.
Instead, he put the choice to call the match or let him fight to the death into the hands of the 'family' he built up around him.
It's a beautiful ending and a fantastic companion piece to Ashita no Joe.

>>714709301
>spend five chapters talking about the size and firmness of albedo's breasts and how he wants to fuck the loli twink elf twins
>one paragraph "oh and he just murdered a human village"
>back to eroge

>>714711214
When's the last time a completely new MegaTen-adjacent release (so, discounting shit like the P3 remake's "The Answer"/Aigis DLC) had a female protag? We can joke about SMT5, but the guy's just a bishie for the franchise's eternal fujo fanbase.

>>714652247 (OP)
The people who made those games were fans of western fantasy and mythology, and based their designs off that. The people who make current JRPGs are fans of older JRPGs, anime, and manga, and make their shit look as modern as possible.

>>714709508
>Anime is in crisis and has a shortage of talent
>Akshually, modern anime industry is le great!
>No, here's a big anime studio in the brink of bankruptcy and a quote from a veteran director talking about their lack of competent people
>HOW IS THIS RELEVANT?
Pathetic. Keep playing deaf.

>>714652405
That looks pretty awesome tho

>>714652247 (OP)
Because people don't care about JRPGs anymore, or their character designs, it's all boring and stuck in the past.

Whenever Mihoyo releases a new character young people pay attention.

>>714711692
I meant mainly the Hero/Heroine dynamic.

>>714712467
Fair.

>>714680014
in which movie/ova did she wear this set? I keep seeing it

>>714652427
Surprised there's more black characters on the top than on the bottom

>>714713098
In this day an age you cant have a destined female partner.
Remakes are the only chance but only Persona gets them.

>>714652405
american derangement syndrome

>>714709992
Evangelion isn't even in the top 5 of 90s shonen

>>714666869
>The porn parody ended up surpassing the original
How sad

>>714681337
>Damn what?
That's gotta be the sexiest pic of Lina I've seen in a hot minute

>>714682217
>>714683886
>>714695050
plot is 90s. First few episodes don't take itself seriously and I really feel the author flip-flopped decided that he wasn't going to make it a gag story

>>714715337
Ys porn?