Thread 714721352

>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>doxxes, sends death threats
>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable
I am disappointed that this sort anti-freedom of thought/speech movement is gaining so much traction in /v/. Even if it's a loud minority.

post nose

>>714721352 (OP)
>unfalsifiable
alright, which dev is hiring Indians to try and spread misinformation about the initiative?

>>714721352 (OP)
>>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>>doxxes, sends death threats
>>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable

>>714721497
>spread misinformation about the initiative
Aaaand bingo. As I said in the OP:
>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes

>>714721638
it's not complicated
the proposal is to make devs choose between several different options (all of which may be altered after expert input from both sides) to avoid a situation where a customer is unexpectedly unable to play the game that they bought
option number 1 is having the devs deliver an end of life plan where they inform the players of when they will stop support in advance so they can make an informed decision about a product which may stop working in the future
option number 2 is providing an offline mode that retains core functionality so players can keep using the product they bought after it can no longer communicate with a centralized server
and finally, option 3 is providing tools for the community to run and maintain their own serves after official support winds down
all of these options are doable and have been implemented in the past without negatively affecting any business

Boy imagine if this was about
>Pre-orders delivering an unfinished game with game-breaking bugs
>or Early access delivering something different then what was pledged for
>or day 1 non-cosmetic MTX that are borderline pay-to-win and weren't advertised during pre-order
>or gambling systems designed to fleece you in the most opaque way possible
>or blatant false advertising vaguely describing "features" that end up missing in the final game
>or disingenuous excuses like "offline play is impossible" for games like Diablo 3 on PC despite being possible on console
>or even more disingenuous excuses like "locally hosted servers will lead to security issues" while having literal RCE happens on current officially supported servers
>or better yet, companies pretending customers don't own their perpetual license copy of the game they purchased and should only act as faithful consumers that should nod to every decision a company makes while giving them money for it

The YouTube algorithm really seems to push piratesoftware bullying with how many videos against him get popular

>>714721352 (OP)
I paid for a software license. The license to use the software is mine to do with as I please. The issuers of the license can revoke my ability to use the software as I please when they shutter the authentication servers without a EoL strategy, effectively removing my ability to use the software license I paid for.

Imagine buying a car but the manufacturer drops all support and you can no longer drive it 10 years after the date of manufacture because they got bought out or went belly up. Would you consider that acceptable as a consumer? Because that's what software companies have been doing unhindered for years.

>self proclaimed manipulative mastermind
>"guise i'm totes getting death threats/swatted/[other bullshit]!"
Those """threats""" are as real as the ones Zoe or Anita got.

We need to castrate the sharty zoomers

>>714722954
>The YouTube algorithm really seems to push piratesoftware bullying with how many videos against him get popular
theyre only getting pushed because he is hated by everybody so as soon as anyone drops a drama video, everyone watches it immediately. he is very safe to hate. left or right, everybody hates a guy with an overinflated ego.

Vae victis, pajeet bitch.

>>714723000
There is a distinction between paying for software and paying for a live service that can and will eventually be terminated.

What you are doing is the equivalent of going to a live concert and then saying "Either you guys play forever or you have to give me a free CD with your songs so that I can listen to them at home". "But I paid for the music, I should be able to listen to it at any time". It's funny that any normal and reasonable person knows this is insane logic, but it is so hard for gaymers to garsp it.

>>714723000
>muh video games are a car!
people don't give a shit about this because videogames are cheap toys for children and normal people don't expect to play them for the rest of their lives. More power to ya if you pull this off, I don't see any harm in it succeeding, but the reasons above are why people don't give a shit.

The only reason PirateSoftware is getting bodied is because he is a man. If he were a woman like Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn were, he could just dismiss Stop Killing Games as an online misogynist harassment campaign and all the normke cattle would turn against it in an instant. If PirateSoftware was a chick this would have gone the way of Gamergate 2.0

So now SKG discord shills are regularly posting falseflag anti SKG threads to keep their gay petition on the front page of /v/ at all times. Remember to report every SKG thread.

>>714723286
If a game is a service then they need to tell me when my access to it ends from the moment I buy it. Not when it might end. When it WILL end. Precisely.
And should they end the service before the stated date and time, then I'm entitled to at least a partial refund.

>>714723437
>If a game is a service then they need to tell me when my access to it ends from the moment I buy it. Not when it might end. When it WILL end. Precisely.
No they don't. Literally no other service has to do this retard.

What they need to do is make it clear that it is a live service that can be terminated at any moment, and be legally required to give the termination notice in a reasonable timeframe e.g. 6 months in advance.

But this is what the industry already does through self-regulation.

>>714723418
A few questions:
Why are you okay with the off topic threads, such as race baiting and /pol/ crap but not SKG threads?
What actual reasons do you have to be against SKG? If you like video games you should be for it.
Is this just contrarianism? Are you doing this to just stand out or something?

>>714721352 (OP)
>gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
That's because the text is in the petition and you absolute fucking retards cannot read.

>>714723353
software is an intangible good. it's no different from any other goods other than it being intangible.

>>714723594
KYS eceleb discord shill

Occupy Wall Street of videogames

>>714723286
>There is a distinction between paying for software and paying for a live service that can and will eventually be terminated.
Not in glorious EU. You'd know ths if your civilization was advanced enough to understand what a toilet is.

>>714723418
Why do some SKG threads get deleted anyway? It is literally video game culture.

You can't discuss specific games in /v/ because that's what /vg/ is for. You also can't discuss vidya e-celebrities. And now you can't discuss a video game movement either. What the fuck is this board for by this point?

>>714723286
You can go to that concert, record it with your phone and rewatch whenever you want though.
You can also purchase the music played at that concert and enjoy it whenever you want.
Companies don't sell a service, they sell a perpetual licensed copy that sometimes require optional purchasable/subscription services.

>>714723418
No, that's what you're doing, in a moronic attempt to turn sentiment against the movement. You couldn't even wait more than twenty posts to start pushing your narrative, bootlicker, that's fucking pathetic.

>>714721352 (OP)
fagtree stop fucking the ferrets

>>714721352 (OP)
You were raped.

>>714723538
>Literally no other service has to do this
Oh, so my ticket for a concert doesn't say "August 6th, 8pm to 11pm"? My old gaming magazine subscription from when I was a kid didn't say "May 1994 to May 1995" in the little box I checked?
Because I was pretty sure they did. Guess I must be crazy or something.

>>714721352 (OP)
What's the qrd on this?
All I'm seeing so far is that piracy is the answer.

>>714723848
It's a proposition to the EU to make it so piracy doesn't always have to be the answer, basically.

>>714723848
Oh look a discord shill early in the thread asks for a qrd. I bet he'll get a bunch of responses identical to the last thread he did this in.

>>714723721
Okay just record the game and rewatch whenever you want
>>714723765
>Oh, so my ticket for a concert doesn't say "August 6th, 8pm to 11pm"?
No it doesn't you fucking retard have you ever gone to a concert? It is impossible to estimate the exact hour it will end. Your concert would say "August 6th, 8pm" and that's it, it ends when it ends.

You are using the worst possible example because the music industry is way more anti-consumer than the vidya industry btw. Maybe the artist you were going to see doesn't even show up in the concert and it's your problem if that happens.

>>714722496
Don't fall for it, posters like OP do what they say SKG supporters are doing (gaslighting and misinforming).
If you actually call them out they don't know how to respond and their arguments run out until they have to admit they are either 1. paid actors or 2. contrarians.
They don't want to have a debate, they just want to waste your time

>>714723848
if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing

They should have instead argued, "Save Dying Games"

>>714721352 (OP)
I know, right? All these nodevs should just eat my entire ass.

>>714723973
Don't know what you're on about. Seem schizo.
I don't want to watch a YouTube video because this looks like gay drama shit, I saw Ack Ma'am was on about it since it's popular right now, so am genuinely asking for a qrd.

>>714723987
Since fucking when it is impossible to know when a concert will end? The band may go overtime, but you can bet your ass they have a plan for how long they intend to be on stage. If they just played one song, got tired and said to the audience "that's all you get, fuck off!" people would rightfully demand refunds.
Movies have runtimes. Spa appointments have approximate lengths of the treatments their clients receive. SUBSCRIPTIONS HAVE END DATES.

Goods are kept indefinitely. Services have a reasonable expectation of when they are complete. So what is it? Are video games goods or services? Pick one.

>>714723987
>Okay just record the game and rewatch whenever you want
What was sold isn't sell a "watchable" good though. It was a intangible good with no expiration date that is expected to work perfectly fine for an undefined amount of time after being advertised and purchased as such.

>>714724295
Why? That's not the argument they're trying to make at all. They want publishers to stop taking deliberate action that renders a game unplayable, i.e. "killing" it. That's something that EU law can reasonably affect.

>>714723848
>ubisoft terminates the crew servers
>gaymers get assblasted and start a petition to force every developer to keep their games forever playable after termination of service
>thor criticizes it saying this is unrealistic because some games are meant to be live services and if you don't like that you can just not play them
>10 months later the movement still hasn't gathered even half of the signatures it needed
>other e-celebs start criticizing Thor's video from 10 months ago
>algorithm rewards this somehow
>the movement becomes big and gets signatures while thor gets death threats for light hearted criticism to the initiative several months ago
>everyone online criticizing it is getting doxxed and threatened

This is it so far.

>>714725115
Lol. Yeah, sounds dumb. Will probably blow over in a month.
The industry is headed for collapse anyway. Just steal shit and play old games.

>>714725115
>light hearted criticism
Have you actually watched his videos?

>>714725115
>force every developer to keep their games forever playable
Why do retards keep saying this, we just want the sever binaries to run it ourselves. Does no one remember how Unreal Tournament or Team Fortress 2 used to work.

>>714725394
These two games have recurrent updates. They would not be playable if all we had were binaries from 20 years ago.

>>714721352 (OP)
>>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>>doxxes, sends death threats
>>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable
This is how we win. Shouldn't have fuck with gamers.

where the moldmancer leads. I follow

Is this Gamergate 2 Electric Boogaloo?

>>714725603
*3

>>714725484
>They would not be playable if all we had were binaries from 20 years ago.
Yes they would, if one really had too they could use an emulator for DOS or Win9x to run the server. But it would be even easier if they handed over the source code to the servers. It's not like this movement is even retroactive, it's just making sure that future games have an end of life plan.

>>714725394
>unreal tournament is open source and maintained by the community
>team fortress 2 still gets recurrent updates from valve

>>714722496

But online videogames nowadays already have it in the ToS that you will lose access to the game when the servers close

The question is why are you buying games that will close in the future because they are ONLINE ONLY and then complaining?

>>714721352 (OP)
>>714725115
If only it stopped at doxxes and threats, fuckers actually mass review bombed games from a publisher Piratesoftware was part of and swatted him

>>714725663
>ToS
Don't care.

>>714725681
Ah there's that too. They are decided to ruin the lives of every person associated with Thor in any way, no matter how indirect it is.

>>714725653
How about servers for Battlezone '98 then, or Total Annihilation, or any number of other games that had TCP/IP

>>714725115
see
>>714722953 's last point
Games sold as intangible software should be expected to provide ways to play said intangible software. Offline plays was a perfectly viable solution and wouldn’t’ve hurt the sequel's profit, as many game series of different genres have shown.
No amount of gaslighting BS will make those facts go away. Game companies that actually partake in similar anti-costumers practices can consider themselves lucky if this is the only thing that's come out as a result so far.

>>714725757
Those single player games that are still playable to this day?

>>714725663
>But online videogames nowadays already have it in the ToS that you will lose access to the game when the servers close
and the whole point is to outlaw that
even though ToS' have already been challenged in court and found to be unenforceable

>>714725681
im tired of pretending good things are bad

>>714721352 (OP)
I'm sick of this movement already, glad the EU is throwing it out.

>>714725757
Everything you brought up is kept playable by the community and receives frequent patches.

SKG will be trivial for AAA corporations if anything because their IPs are so famous that they will always have a cult following.

But what does an indie developer do if there is no community alive to keep his shitty game forever playable to the ~3 people interested in checking it out in 50 years?

Remember, Cancel Culture does not exist. You said it yourself.

Am I the only one who cringes when people post things like "Good job Gamers" or "keep it going Gamers!"?
Like, calm it down, bud.

>>714725939
Not make it always online drm??? Just transition already, you'll be much happier

I'm so sick of seeing this shit and the faggot behind this.

>>714725973
lol it's like he's inserting a fat cock in mouth

>>714725663
>The question is why are you buying games that will close in the future because they are ONLINE ONLY and then complaining?
This is the million dollar question

Fuckers are going into blatant live service games and expecting them to last forever

If you don't like tasting shit maybe stop eating shit, it's that simple

>>714726001
>Not make it always online drm???
This is not about DRM. It's about the model of business of certain games. Some of them are meant to be always online like gachaslop or MMORPGs.

>but these games are shit and should not exist!
Yes they are shit, and thus I don't play them.

But they should absolutely exist to whoever is interested in playing them. Many people are happy playing shit like WoW or FFXIV, who am I to destroy their fun?

>>714725814
and multiplayer. I could get a match between you and me right now if I wasn't shitposting on /v/ instead. There's games that are even pre TCP that can be emulated with modems if we wanted to go ancient.
>>714725939
How many indie games are even always online in the first place? and if they are how difficult would it be to just whip up an offline version. Setting up a whole master server for clients to hook up too seems like more work than just having peer to peer or hostable server options for the user.

>>714725681
The hunter becomes the hunted

>>714725663
Shut the fuck up.
I will consume your flesh.
Your arguments will always be wrong because I say so.
Stop Killing Games is a nebulous feeling of the soul so you wouldn't ever get it.

>>714723095
I even checked resetera and theyre shitting on him too
Quite the achievement

>>714726124
>How many indie games are even always online in the first place?
Many? Let's start with agar.io and all other .io games.
>how difficult would it be to just whip up an offline version
Depends on the game. The better question is why the fuck should devs be forced to create an offline version. If they want the game to be a live service, so long as they are transparent about that, let people make their own fucking decisions.

>>714726120
>Many people are happy playing shit like WoW or FFXIV, who am I to destroy their fun?
How would it destroy their fun, hell WoWfags were very eager to run community servers before Blizzard threw a hissy fit. Community servers are the only way to play something like City of Heroes now.

>>714726120
>NOOOOO WE CAN'T EVER EVER EVER RELASE COMMUNITY SERVER TOOLS!!
Why lol

>>714725939
>But what does an indie developer do if there is no community alive to keep his shitty game forever playable to the ~3 people interested in checking it out in 50 years?
What most indie devs already do with their games like
>offline mode
or
>local server tools

>>714723848
Piracy actually has nothing to do with the question or the answer, it's a totally unrelated concept that only sometimes has overlap when the means by which pirates access a game happens to bypass whatever makes the game unplayable after the End-of-Service.

>>714726120
>Blatant live service games

It says that nowhere on the box for every single game that uses live service. You are outright lying in favor of corporations and you should be sacrificed for your hostile violence against the great and merciful video games.

>>714721352 (OP)
Its time to stop posting Thor

>>714726254
WoW community servers receive very frequent updates to remain playable and safe (without letting people run arbitrary code in your machine)

It is absolutely impossible for Blizzard to release server tools that will never need patches and will remain forever "playable" and safe (whatever that vague term used by SKG trannies means)

If you download Blizzard's server tool and get hacked by a security flaw, or if your data is leaked, guess who is liable? Blizzard

So what is the end result here? Corpos will stop creating MMOs and find another way to milk money from consumers. Probably in a way worse than what we have today.

>>714721352 (OP)
>Posting lies on the internet
>has no criticism in the post except claims of doxxing and death threats

>>714726331
>offline mode for a game designed around online
>local server tools that will work in 50 years without any security flaws whatsoever without needing any patches
Whoever comes up with that last one would become a billionaire overnight. Server providers hate having to constantly patch their shit.

>>714726249
>Many? Let's start with agar.io and all other .io games.
I'll let you post examples, I have no clue that they even exist frankly.
>The better question is why the fuck should devs be forced to create an offline version.
So that it can be preserved? Was BBC totally in the right to overwrite the 60s Doctor Who episodes and delete them from history? You could still do a live-service model and milk goyim with microtransactions and anime titty jpegs, all this movement asks is for when the game will be called quits and that users can run the server afterwards. I doubt Fortnite is going to be in style for the next 3 decades.

>>714726602
Problem is that server software requires upkeep and frequent patches to deal with security flaws.

If you stop patching it, you will be telling your users to download unsafe software. And you're liable for that.

So it is not as simple as "just release server software and you're good bro". At the very least you would have to provide an open source version and hope the community will maintain it. But going open source for a developer is the equivalent of a restaurant posting all their recipes online, it's not a smart business decision.

>>714726470
>guess who is liable? Blizzard
How the fuck so? If I get a cheater on a Half Life Deathmatch server is Valve responsible for that, especially if it's not platformed on Steam? I doubt anything in the movement was asking for safety, the liability of the server is completely on the host of said server but not the company. And again City of Heroes is completely out of the hands of NCSoft, unless they did a sequel but then that's a completely separate project.

I think I'm really out of the loop on all this SKG stuff. What the hell are the arguments on both sides? On the one hand who wants to be at the mercy from companies shutting down games (what I was thinking this was about), but at the same time it seems there's more to this that I'm not picking up? Also it's not like games are immune to product life-cycles either, especially MMOs. Not sure where this is all focused.

It's crazy how many retards against SKG don't understand how planned obsolescence works.
When companies end a service, it's not always because it isn't profitable, but because their previous product would then become competition for their next product.

Companies don't want to give private server files because it will mean less fans of the old product are forced onto the new one.

SKG is a good thing overall for all consumers. No one is asking for companies to bankrupt themselves. They are simply asking for the product they spent money on to remain in a somewhat playable state, not always including multiplayer functionality, after the company kills it.

>>714726936
Ross basically lays out the whole idea behind the movement if you feel like watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70Xc9CStoE

>>714726920
>If I get a cheater on a Half Life Deathmatch server is Valve responsible for that
If a hacker can somehow infect your computer with a virus and steal your data/credit card information because of a flaw in Valve's software, yes, Valve is liable for that.

>I doubt anything in the movement was asking for safety
Data safety is a requirement from other laws.

>the liability of the server is completely on the host of said server but not the company
The liability is also on the company providing server tools.

It would be a different situation if the server software was not official. Blizzard is not liable for shit that goes down in illegal community servers because they are not authorized to exist. But if Blizzard was forced to provide official server tools, yes they would have to ensure the tools are safe.

Stop Killing Games is a vague and confusing tagline

>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>doxxes, sends death threats
>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable
I already signed it OP, you don't need to convince me.

>>714726936
The very first response to you is blatant e-celeb shilling. Should tell you enough about the movement: it's e-celeb drama and any sane person is against it.

>>714721352 (OP)
>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
No it doesn't
>doxxes, sends death threats
No it doesn't. It's just a petition, it literally does not do anything
>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
It proposes that games should tell you when they pull the plug plainly, and provide either the tools or the code to run your own private server, should it cease to be supported officially
I don't see what there is to defend or attack, because you etiher like the idea or you are a corporate bootlicker
>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable
The proposition was that the governments punish those who screw their customers
How the game creators choose to interpret this is not up to us, because the ball is in their court, they can be kind about it, or they can try find loopholes and try to screw the customers more (like most of them did when selling lootboxes were "banned", all they did was find new ways to sell lootboxes legally by making it more indirect, like buying In Game currency first)

Maldavius lostted

>>714726564
Then don't design online only games. If you do, don't sell them as intangible softwares
Local servers for 10, 20 or 30 year old games like Battlefield 2, Diablo 1 & 2 or Doom 2 still work to this day.
Multiplayer focused genres like any fighting games offer offline play, local multiplayer, LAN hosting, etc

>>714727092
I didn't realize data safety laws applied to video games. I guess I could sue EA if I get a hacker on my CnC match.
>The liability is also on the company providing server tools. It would be a different situation if the server software was not official.
Well how much could it be unofficial then? as in the EULA states that you are on your own if you run this server software? You see similar warnings in modding software.

>>714727204
Can you please explain why any sane person would be against it? I seriously don't see a single reason to not be pro-consumer here.

>>714721352 (OP)
Kill yourself, Mohinder.

Guys, we can stop making speculations of arguments, the EU games lobby already made arguments and all we need to do is deconstruct those arguments, which is easy as fuck.

>>714727447
Data safety laws apply to everything.

>Well how much could it be unofficial then? as in the EULA states that you are on your own if you run this server software?
No, the EULA can't waive away data safety.

Unofficial means the server tools are not provided by the company. Simple as that. If you are providing the tools to abide to the SKG law, you are liable if you provide faulty software just like any other service provider would be if they put your data in jeopardy.

>>714727642
Sauce? How retarded is the argument of the opposing council (corpos).

>>714725115
>>gaymers get assblasted and start a petition to force every developer to keep their games forever playable after termination of service
And you've already outed yourself.

>>714727642
>all we need to do is deconstruct those arguments
Already done.

>>714727705
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

>b-but the security issues and the... danger!
>no vpn on my game though!!!

>>714727705
So here is the statement:
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
And their extended PDF response:
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/VGE-Position-Discontinuation-of-Support-to-Online-Games-04072025.pdf
These points are the ones that they have put forward, the main one they are pushing seems to be "We can't ban people saying nigger if community servers exist". This argument of developer liability isn't exactly on their radar.

>>714727870
lel

>>714726936
There are no arguments against it, just contrarians who would rather eat literal shit than ever agree with anyone else. The moment wants to make the distinction between product and service clear and enforced. If it's a product you can't just delete or make it stop existing, like a book for example. if it's a service the consumer needs to be told clearly and with clear terms. E.g we know exactly when our Netflix service ends and what that means, you're told that upfront before you pay money. Games companies want to be both/neither and not tell you which it is or when.

>>714726936
'devs should find *a* way for customers to keep their games in a playable state going forward'
>but how, thats too hard
>this will disincentivise online games
>what does playable even mean?
>what does going forward even mean?
>but what if [made up scenario]

'devs can make whatever game they want, including killing them, because it's their IP'
>but what about consumer rights?
>but what about the hundreds of online games that still work today, through community servers or P2P connections?
>if any proprietary third party software is preventing you from accomplishing this yourself then you should renegotiate or find new software that doesn't
>baseline customer rights are more important than the outcomes of [what if scenario]

>>714726936
>but at the same time it seems there's more to this that I'm not picking up?
Nope, nothing more to it than your first thought. A few people are arguing against it because they don't understand the technicalities of how this work and are imagining the worst case scenario, but most of the actual arguments against it on /v/ are more or less contrarians baiting.

>>714721352 (OP)
Alright. Here's what it's about for your dumbass.
The purpose of the initiative is to bring the issue of games being shut down to the government's attention. Nothing more. If you argue against literally anything else, you don't know what it actually proposes

>>714727908
>>b-but the security issues and the... danger!
Thank god Microsoft and Activision have proper security on COD WWII's officially maintained servers.

>>714721638
This is a false flage to bait people into hating "tranime". I've finally solved the puzzle. They know for a fact anything they say to disparage SKG will paint the person in a negative light, and instead of a random image, or no image at all, people overwhelmingly post Popular/FotM anime girls (notably never guys) along with their objectively shit take. This only started being the trend within the last 5 or so days too, after the hate for SGK protesters was solidified, ignoring ironic shills.

>>714723848
you can't pirate games that are server-side bullshit.
Is the crew playable on a pirated version?

>>714728350
At best you get the client and that's it. Who knows how much one can even resurrect the server side functionality. It's almost like building a game from scratch. You can see Darkspore community servers as an example.

>>714725115
>>714725681
mana gem
>>714725484
We'd get the binaries after the developers EoS their games anon.

People whining that development or planning costs are insurmountable are dumb because firstly they just aren't and secondly even if they were (they aren't) devs could avoid it by simply stating you are renting their game and the rental period ends after X amount of time. The latter costs literally nothing but they don't want to have to tell the truth to consumers because saying 'give us $80 for a 2 year rental window' exposes how much of a dogshit ripoff it is and they would get less money

>>714721352 (OP)
Maldavius Fagtree spotted

>>714727934
>Player safety
"Online interactions not rated" is already a thing.
>Increased security risks
Don't make shit software.
>Significant architectural changes
If a new standard makes worse results than previous standards, you need to change that new standard.
>Negative impact on investment
Read: We can't force people to buy our new games
>Reputational harm
You abandoned the game, any reasonable person would disconnect you from any interactions they have in the game.
>Erosion of IP rights
lol
>Competition from community supported versions
Read: We are lazy and can't make better games
>Forfeiture of licensing rights
GOOD
>Constraints from Third-Party IP
I can still play Need for Speed Underground 2 and even play it online. All the music and cars are probably out of license now, tough shit. In terms of software, that's where you as a client get to make negotiations with these companies.
>Constrains from 3rd party services
See above.
Wow, this is their best?

>>714727023
Companies should be forced to compete against their prior products so games don't stagnate.

>>714728545
Exactly. Remember WWE 2k23?

https://www.ign.com/articles/wwe-2k23-servers-discontinued-less-than-2-years-after-launch-wwe-2k24-last-game-in-the-series-standing

>>714723286
>There is a distinction between paying for software and paying for a live service
Indeed:
>a subscription to Microsoft's Gamepass is a purchasable service
>an intangible licensed copy of a video game is a purchasable product
Hope that helps.

>>714725484
And that would be fine, if so. The developer has held up their end of the bargain by letting us run servers. They didn't take deliberate action to kill the game. Hooray!
The fact that the server binary may become unusable on newer machines due to evolving technology is irrelevant. That's the game "dying" naturally. Preventing that is just up to fans and turbo-autists who meticulously maintain ancient computer hardware.

>>714721352 (OP)
>>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
How to spin someone saying:
>Shut up, retard.
because you don't know what you're talking about.

>>714728680
I completely agree. Planned obsolescence practices are are both anti-consumer and anti-competition.

Competition is how the market betters itself but companies see competition as a loss of easy money. It's quite sad they have been allowed to do so for even this long.

>devs will have to compete with their older games
Competition is good for the industry. Anyone who disagrees is a communist

>>714728709
People often bring up mmos in these threads which is disingenuous because those games literally already tell you they are a subscription with well defined end dates. The entire movement just boils down to a given game having to decide is it a single product like a book, or a subscription service like Netflix. You shouldn't be able to lie to consumers and say you're one but then behave like the other. It's that fucking simple

>>714729046
>well defined end dates
When is WoW ending?

So is every single one of these threads just paid opposition? There's no way there's this many people who are genuinely, unironically tripping over themselves to suck corporate cock over a single EU initiative.

>>714729082
I think that type of thing includes how long a WoW subscription lasts for.

>>714729114
It's jew lawyers and the "me first" rednecks that defend it.

>>714729082
A $15 subscription ends one month after purchase

>>714729082
If you buy a 30 days subscription, it ends in 30 days.

>>714721352 (OP)
>muh death threats
Wait, that card...

>>714721638
Okay but, why are you brown?

>>714729114
It does kinda seem that way doesn't it

>the same (you) collector comments disagreeing with the initiative
I’m on holiday so haven’t been following anything but the tracker. Anything actually fun, interesting or informative happen since Thursday?

I wanted to support this but everyone that does is a cringey autistic faggot so I’m going to support the game publishers on this one.

>>714729082
The minute I stop paying the subscription. It's a clearly defined service I'm paying for. It never pretended to be a one off product, they never lied or pretended otherwise.

Imagine being the company that gets to have the title of "responsible for the death of the last game".

>>714729082
Literally as long as you pay for it
When Blizzard feels like shutting it down all they have to do is stop selling subscriptions and wait til the last guy plays his time.
It's not that hard.

>>714725115
>light hearted criticusm
>"I AM GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO DESTROY YOUR PETITON. EAT MY ENTIRE ASS. YOU ARE A DISGUSTING USED CAR SALESMAN TYPE PERSON, NO I WILL NOT TALK TO THE CREATOR OF THE PETITION."
He is a snobby retard faggot, gets what he deserves. But you already know this, and are part of his furry roleplay discord server

>>714729206
>2050
>WoW only has one subscriber left
>"We at Bizzard will be shutting down the game in 15 days"
No I don't think you will *buys another 30 day subscription*

>>714729245
EU game lobby responded.
>>714727934
Usual suspects on the list
>>714727870

>>714729254
Okay, Maldavius

>>714727642
the issue is that lobbyists argue with money

>>714729152
>>714729197
>>714729206
>>714729294
What about he base client license? or the base expansion purchase? Do they have an expiration date? Or aren't they being sold as intangible softwares?

>>714725681
>still trying this after everyone looked at the steam pages and proved you were lying
continue killing games shills are some of the worst I have ever seen

>>714721352 (OP)
I feel bad for people who are under the age of 21 and will have to live with the consequences of this decision. Everyone else has plenty of games to play.

>>714729082
Dunno, but as a (hypothetical) player, you know exactly when your sub is up.
Although, I would wonder how the fact that Blizzard charges for the base game + expansions ON TOP of the sub fee would factor into the legal arguments here. It's essentially buying a good, then being completely unable to use it unless you also subscribe to the service. Seems kinda fucked up.

>>714729387
>straw man “argument”
Thanks for proving my point, faggot

>>714721352 (OP)
>>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>>doxxes, sends death threats
>>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
You scared?

>>714729360
>gets what he deserves
Nothing that he did is on the level of 'deserving' the swatting that he got

>>714721352 (OP)
>It's afraid

>>714729524
>X people are cringey, so I'll side with the actual homosexual furry faggot
>nooooooo you are strawmanning me
LMAO

>>714721352 (OP)
>I'm totally against killing games but don't you think this stop killing games are just as bad?

>>714729498
What's stopping the younger zoomers/gen alpha from enjoying the same games?

>>714729498
Oh no the poor alpha gen will have community ran servers again. I hate that I had to deal with always online matchmaking bs as a zoomie in my later life.

>>714729646
Their shit taste.

>>714729473
>>714729509
I guess access to game content is sold separately. Most games include that in the purchase price

>>714726885
are you telling me that all this on steam keeps getting maintained constantly? I'm calling bullshit on this one...

>>714725681
*gasp*

>>714729618
Do you have an actual argument or point to make or are you just gonna spout off 4chan buzzwords like a 12 year old that just found out how to say “nigger” for the first time?

>>714726885
Yea it actually is just as simple as releasing the server software as is and not supporting it afterwards? You have no legal obligation to support legacy software forever, do you actually believe that to be the case?

>>714729645
>game prices already jumping by 10s and 20s before SKG even has enough signatures
What a disingenuous little faggot he is.

>>714729579
Vae victis

>>714729745
Do you, or are you just going to call everyone cringe again?

>>714729734
>Look onto the Steam Tool section
>See there is are mod tools for Master Chief Collection
Neat.

>>714721352 (OP)
>>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable

Nothing is concrete because its trying to be fair. The only thing it wants is for an EOL plan to be enacted and a transparent commitment to when the EOL will take affect. What that play is can change from game to game. For some games it will be turning it into a single player experience, others privet servers, its whatever fits best for the game.

>>714729745
Why would anyone bother making an argument against "I don't support this anymore because weird people do" - You genuinely have the thought process of a highschool girl

>>714721352 (OP)
Honestly based, we should kill everyone that tries to put us in collars and take our shit away from us, 1793-style.

>>714729728
I'm sure that's what their EULA says, but it still begs the question of "what the fuck did I just pay $60 for?"

>>714729852
Exactly. So many retards here think SKG wants companies will be forced to slave over legacy software forever and bankrupt themselves running empty servers for eternity.

>>714729728
There you go. Hence the need to clarify a customer's right to enjoy in one form or another said good.
Easiest solution for Blizz would be to provide access to the game and the player's character offline once they shut down all wow servers. They even dumbed down the gameplay enough to be playable solo apart from raid/dungeon.

>>714729871
>thegamer: "this youtuber campaign is the reason behind the $100 price of GTAVI"

>>714725681
excuse me sir where are the proofs

>>714721352 (OP)
It proposes games be left in a reasonably playable state
Not hard to understand, and impossible to suggest otherwise

>>714729889
VAE VICTIS!

The best part about the Stop Killing Games initiative is that there is absolutely no way to misconstrue it as some sort of hate movement. We want developers to stop killing games. End of.

>>714725115
Eat my entire ass.

>>714730052
Here. Disgusting time-traveling (I heard ross provided his time machine) review bombing.

>>714726470
There are hundreds of games with official offline server tools, not a single one has ever been sued for "data safety" you lying, disingenuous rat.

>>714728304
>flage
>schizophrenic ramblings
Good morning sir.

>>714728304
>posts Kira instead of L
gay

>>714730148
retard Steam filters reviewbombing, it was way uglier some time ago but has been dealt with

>>714730106
He really does pronounce it more like VAE VICTUS
Jesus, I can't believe videogame storytelling peaked twenty years ago.

>>714724208
OP is the pass user since 2018 aquafag (Not to be confused with waifufags, this aquafag just uses her pictures for bait posting and has no adoration for her.) and he has been spamming the same contrarian bait shit on /a/ and /v/ for years to farm (You)s. You may recognize him from dragon's dogma threads.
Overall easily recognizable due to writing style and always uses the same old Aqua and other anime images he saved from 4chan. A very pathetic baiter whose entire gimmick is being contrarian while displaying his pass for others to laugh at and he has to wait his bans like a good little cuck. Easily the most cucked bad faith poster on site, can't even say nigger because of fear of getting his pass banned. Real sad.

>>714730265
Proofs?

>>714730178
1 fat finger doesnt refute my analysis. Im pro SKG anyways. I am probably schizophrenic ill admit.

>>714730210
L is a jobber.

>>714721445
post hand

>publishers who want to be able to shut off service for any game at any point to force you into the new product
>gen z developers who genuinely hate players and will always be contrarian to their wishes no matter how trivial it would be to release server binaries
>compulsive contrarian disorder retards who hate SKG because it's popular right now and would gladly let the other two have their way
These are your allies

>>714729579
He didn't get swat'd. The retard's been trying to play every "woe is me im a victim" play in the book and he's been found lying about every single one of them.

>>714730580
Didn't he lie about deleting the stream where he whines about SKG?
>no I didn't delete it, internet issues forced me to restart the stream
>but here's a detailed archive indicating you deleted a video from the stream
>yeah, we were getting harassment and hate so we deleted

>>714730373
Said story isn't even technically finished. Modern gaming really has gone down the toilet.

>>714729381
>EU game lobby responded
Good reply. Thanks

>>714730265
Valve leaves a notice if they had to intervene with reviews, see pic related. Rivals of Aether 2 doesn't have it.

>>714730504
You're deducing something, you should've posted L you faker

The pirate guy is obnoxious but the hate is way overblown. Realistically all he did was not save his guildmate during a dungeon and disagree with an EU citizens initiative on game preservation. I don’t see how that’s worth getting trashed by the entire internet

>>714721352 (OP)
These are the exact same things said about the gate
Responses to critisims exist even if you ignore them, the goals are clearly states even if you don't read them, stop living in a fantasy

>>714730762
Even if we could necromantically resurrect Tony Jay, Paul Lukather and somehow keep Michael Bell alive for another decade or more, I wouldn't trust anyone in the modern Vidya industry to continue the games.

>>714730265
>he didn't notice the date of the screenshot (just some hours after daddy thor claimed a "reviewbombing campaign")
>he actually believes I just took the screenshot moments ago
>imagining trying to push this narrative when the magical asterisk exists specifically marking the moment "Off-topic Review Activity" was detected.
>"no asterisk present in the REVIEW BOMBED 'offbrand games'"
Let me guess, steam filtered the reviewbombing but they were like "nah, no need to make a note about it". That's like... super solid argument.

>>714730912
He's been a faggot for a long time. He didn't just disagree with SKG but he actively worked against it by telling people not to sign and consistently insulting even the notion of the petition and Ross.

>>714730912
This can't be real.
It's even written like sock puppet.

>>714731029
We can but you might not like the answer. James Earl Jones was featured in Fortnite despite passing away.

>>714726249
You don't pay for .io games, they aren't covered.

When did you guys realize /v/ is just bad bait posted endlessly by Indians and discord trannies?

>>714730912
He's a furfag. Thats reason enough for me.

>>714731221
Thanks.

>>714721352 (OP)
you should kill yourself

>>714721352 (OP)
>>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>>doxxes, sends death threats
>>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>>because it doesn't actually propose anything concrete, it is unfalsifiable
but enough about the corporate shills who are against SKG

>>714731323
He can shut down the restaurant but it would be retarded of him to burn the recipes in the process.
also >food analogy.

>>714721352 (OP)
post your nose

>>714721352 (OP)
I wonder who is behind this post?

>>714725663
literally about making laws that prevent such anticonsumer behaviour.

>>714731513
post your hand

>>714725663
https://store.steampowered.com/oldnews/9582

>thread shitting on Piratesoftware deleted
>thread shitting on SKG still up
Hmm

>>714732273
stop with the antisemitism, alright?

>>714725681
Someone from here actually broke into his house and raped him.

>>714730912
He's always been a lolcow worthy faggot. It's not what you do, it's how you act. You should know this by now unless you're very new.

>>714732405
I have a bridge to sell you.

>>714721352 (OP)
Yeah, this is about forcing companies to stop fucking around. The times where you could freely steal something you sold by pretending it's some gay license magic are over.

>>714731323
>anti-SKGs also have Trump derangement
Can't make this up.

>>714722954
Things are popular because they are popular. There isn't some Algorithm god who decides which videos he likes. It recommends a video to 100 people and if a lot of them click on it it shows it to 1000 people and if a lot of them click on it he shows it to 1m people and if a lot of them...
Basically you are fucking retarded. Seriously, though. A lot of people treat the algorithm like it's some spirit creature that directs their lives. Why is that?

>>714727092
Hey, I'm using Windows XP and when I connected it to the internet, I immediately was infected with a virus unknowingly. This key logger managed to steal my bank account credentials and then ransomware all of my important documents. Where do I file the lawsuit against Microsoft?

>>714723848
It wants two main things. The first is that if the game is dependent on servers or the like that can be shut down a declared binding time that they will be shut down. I.E. Server functionality will end on July 10th 2026. This date can be extend but never shortened. This is so that buyers know exactly how long they have to play the game before disruption before they buy the game. The second is a end of life plan. The owners of the game must not leave the game in an unplayable state when those servers shut down. How that is accomplished is up to the owners of the game. This can be transforming the game into a wholly single player experience, adding client side bots, releasing the netcode so privet servers can be hosted. The wording used is "left in a reasonably playable state" so if the game has multiple modes just chopping off all the multiplayer modes is not good enough.

>>714731221
Yesterday

>>714730016
I guess it's kind of a fucky situation that people more intelligent than me have to figure out. Luckily WoW is a solved problem with the existence of private servers

>>714732651
Well yeah, were you... expecting indians politics instead or something?

>>714723000
>license
Don't use their horseshit language. You bought a program. You own the program. When they take the program away they stole it from you and when they call it a "license" it's in order to trick you into accepting it.
Laws are a social construct. If you call someone stealing from you a "license revocation in accordance with the TOS" you are socially constructing yourself into a position where stealing from you is okay. If you call it theft and enough people join in the company who stole from you is in trouble. All it takes is your will.

>>714723848
>>714724293
>piracy is the answer.
There is an answer to your answer and even without Denuvo there are games you can't pirate. And those game are becoming more common and not less.

>>714733004
Remember, these absolute neanderthals' votes counts just as much as yours.

>>714723848
The base idea is that if somebody is selling something to you they aren't allowed to break the thing they sold you.
It focuses on games, but it might also apply to more things in the future. Like a car that stops working if it doesn't connect to a central server once per month.

>>714733138
Baka

>>714725394
>Why do retards keep saying this
Because they know that what companies are doing is fucking the customers over and is wrong, so they have to lie.

>>714725681
>fuckers actually mass review bombed games from a publisher
Games who's recent reviews are mostly/overwhelmingly positive. Another lie. Just like the fake death threats.

>>714721352 (OP)
Since Thor's OG stream people have tried the

>"THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT!!!"

FUD and it has never worked once, everyone knows theres a lot to iron out but the truth of the matter is that overall the incentive is hugely favored by people who value video game preservation on ANY level.
Games SHOULD remain playable in some form after the servers go down, this is non-disputable, its an insult to the people who worked on them to suggest anything else.

>>714733225
You can't pirate a lot of modern games. It's weird that there are piracy posers who don't realize that.

>>714725115
The Crew was a decent game with no replacement on the market and I'm tired of people downplaying it because hurr ubislop. Pic related was ubislop too but that never mattered. Thank God it was a 7th gen game or it'd be unplayable today

>>714733368
But I was told that...

>>714721352 (OP)
corporate bootlickers don't deserve rights

>>714733534
USA
USA
USA
!!!!

WHAT THE FUCK IS A METER?! OORAH!!

>>714721638
SAAAAR STOP FORGETTING OUR INITIAL SHILLING
DO NOT REDEEEM

>>714729992
How about I beat the shit out of you in person?

>>714726936
The argument on the one side is that if you buy something you should be allowed to keep it and if it's built in a way that requires company servers then the company should have to provide a way for you to keep being able to play that game or refund your money. Be that an offline mode or a server emulator that you can host yourself, like there are for a lot of older MMOs.
The counter argument is a bunch of people inventing stuff like "they want to force devs to run the servers for ever and make sofware updates up until windows 3000" which isn't true.

If you want to actually know more you could just read the FAQ on the website, but nobody does that. They just invent a bunch of shit in their heads. The 2nd best thing you can do is just not know anything about it.

>>714733004
>Bioware would cease to exist, and then what?
Then we can rejoice because Bioware ceased to exist a fucking decade ago and what is currently around is a skinwalker wearing it's flesh?

Can you niggers stop spamming /v/ thanks

>>714729441
Money couldn't stop any of those things:
> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to third-party storefronts.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to sideloading apps.
> Forced Apple to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Google to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Google to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Play Store.
> Forced Google to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Play Store.
> Forced Meta to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Meta to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Meta to not be able to press tracking ads on users under the legal grounds of 'legitimate interest' or 'necessity of contract'
> Forced Microsoft to offer browser choice.
> Forced Microsoft to loosen their hold over Windows Update and when it installs updates.
> Forced Microsoft to respect users' browser choice and not try to weasel in Edge everywhere.
> Forced Microsoft to make Edge uninstallable.
> Forced Microsoft to turn down the level of telemetry sent by Windows.

>>714733760
>dalleschlop died for this ;_;

>>714733004
>Bioware would cease to exist
Something something Peter you don't have to sell it to me.

>>714733463
You can pirate a huge amount of them, not live service slop for the most part but a fair few denuvo games like Metaphor had demos that let people play the full game even though it had denuvo

>>714729114
>So is every single one of these threads just paid opposition?
I think so. There are unironic shilling companies you can hire all out in the open.

>>714733809
God how miserable things would truly be without Europe, I'm glad the UK voted to leave it since no doubt we'd have voted to keep apples ports or some cuck shit

>>714725663
if the ToS says I should eat 20 pounds of cow dung and then sepukku myself and I was dumb enough to sign it. The laws already protect me from doing so.
Why wouldn't the laws stop the Ubisoft from killing my game?

>>714729114
There's entire government agencies who get paid to shit up 4chan, its honestly impressive how much some cartoon frogs and casual racism upsets them.

>>714729498
>Everyone else has plenty of games to play.
Yeah, because back in the day they didn't have the technology to make them unplayable after a couple of years. I'm sure going back to that model is totally going to kill gaming, though.

>>714733004
>fuck this
>no
>this is ass
>this is some used car salesman bullshit
>eat my entire ass
"he's not saying it's a bad movement"

Sad to see that accursed farms shot himself in the head twice.

>>714734120
The mold will protect him. No worry.

>>714725663
If you purchase a service it needs to have a hard deadline for ending, not a vague one or that is considered fraudulent.
>I hired a plumber, he stops working for me once the problem is fixed
>I bought a netflix subscription, it ends in 6 months
>etc
Games 'as a service' is fraud because it does not tell the customer when service ceases.

>>714729645
If developers could get away with charging $100 right now they would. They are always charging the maximum that most people are willing to put up with, cost doesn't factor in it. People pretending to not understand how pricing things works are silly.

>>714721352 (OP)
its tranny jew psyop it bootted by finnish bot trannies thaths why they have so much votes

>>714730912
He lied in order to hurt a good thing and for the longest time it really looked like he got away with it. Lying in order to destroy something is not much different from setting it on fire. Setting things on fire is bad.

>>714734234
what

>>714729114
yes.
first it was the indians, and now the other lobbying groups are moving because it passed 1 million signatures.

>>714734060
Just imagine if every game over 5 years old was unplayable. This is what these people want. God help their souls

>>714734027
>if the ToS says I should eat 20 pounds of cow dung
I don't think the pajeet shills are gonna take that the way you think they will, anon...

>>714729114
For all of my 15+ years here this is easily the most obviously paid for shill campaign I've ever seen, by far.

>CONSTANT droning of the same incorrect points (poor/vague goals, emphasis on forced dev costs/labour)
>Literally sucking corpo cock at every chance, totally ignore any and all cases of existing/past games that comply in totally easy ways

Its extremely tiresome opposition because it just reads as literal spam made by people who are clearly paid to ignore all replies and never engage.

>>714734639
it was very funny to see the cheap shills they hired early on lose their shit and start defending their indian pride

>>714734701
>jeets are so retarded they can't even shill properly

>>714721352 (OP)
>anti-freedom
okay, which company are you on the board for faggot. kill yourself.

>>714721352 (OP)
I fucking hate how SKG just became another just cause hijacked by Gamergate, it's fucking disgusting. We had a good thing going until you fucks came and fucked everything up.

>>714721352 (OP)
Like it or not, drama is the only reason this passed. SKG seems to have won, but people need to wise up and realize the next SKG probably won't have the perfect storm come and save it at the last minute.

No one gives a fuck about corpos rippi g people off because corpos are all faceless. Where as Figtree or whatever the fuck PS called his fursona had, in the year since, utterly blown through his rep. The fact he was almost certainly reading from a script when he shat on SKG and had been labeled an industry plant for a months just sold it. It was the perfect storm. The fact it took this for SKG to succeed is embarassing. It's an indictment on the human condition. SKG won due to purely luck. If something like this happens 10 times, 9 out of those 10 it will fail because the perfect storm of emotional manipulation needed to galvanize people into looking out for their own rational self-interest won't happen.

>>714735147
Thanks for the forward pass.

>>714721352 (OP)
It's only gay ass socialists pushing this shit, no one else cares. They're trying to fuck gaming up with more wokeness by trying to create another GamerGate. They really should have completely wiped out the Nazis and Soviets instead of letting them secretly still exist.

this shit is going to flop like kony 2012

>>714735147
>Implying anyone on /v/ of all places would disapprove of Gamergate
Okay now I need to know what briefing you jeets get, tell us, what was Gamergate and why was it bad?

>>714735231
fucking yess, it's happening

>>714725115
>ubisoft terminates the crew servers
Who cares, these faggots still haven't grown out of gay ass AAA multiplayer slop games?

>>714735147
man you shills don't know ANYTHING lmao
the shitty journos censoring of GG is backfiring hard now lmao

>>714735147
I've never seen a false flag glow so bright before.

>>714735424
>Leftists still using appeal to triviality in the year of our lord (God) 2025

>>714735586
I'm not part of your communist leftist party, I'm a capitalist. Follow the capitalist code, you socialist faggot, meaning don't play this slop and let it die. Why do you Europoors even want to save AAA gaming?

>>714735714
Shut up and get out of the thread if you don't care then, jew?

>>714735147
It took almost a year... but we finally did it, propagandabros. Ross is an official gamergator all righter!

the SKG bandwagon crowd is in for an extremely rude awakening if any actual legislation is passed as a result of their autism, indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore, it would be a net loss, AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything

>>714735931
>10 likes
>1 retweet
lmao

>>714735932
>indie devs
oh my god! not the live service games made by indies!!!

>>714735809
How about you get out of America, Socialist. It's easy to defeat the woke by not buying their shit and watching their company fail until they wake up, shouting out them just promotes their trash more and allows them to push it further. You authoritarian Socialists were always stupid which is why America and Japan used to either shoot you are stab you all the time. We should go back to doing that.

>>714735931
The audacity of people who made fun of nerds, proclaiming gaming to be 'their' hobby is sickening.
All they want to do is destroy things that make people they dislike, happy.

>>714735989
>>714736041
silence gators!!

>>714735931
>some mentally ill literal who
FerretGaming was far more damaging to ross.

Holy shit why are Europeans so retarded? They bought these retarded ass games empowering the corporations and now they want daddy government saving them from their retardation?

>>714736014
Military is on our side, we have the nukes.

>>714736156
so true xister, tell it to these nazi gamer gaters

>>714736109
>YOU WANT TO KILL THE GAMES THAT WE KILL!
Do they not see the irony in protesting something they're actively doing lmao?

>>714736156
Stop burning my books and stop killing my games.

>>714736234
they aren't paid to think.

>>714721497
The vidya board of EU probably hired them

>>714735714
>I'm le capitalist
>which is why I'm against your private property

>>714736156
They're socialists with no freedom. They were always ruled by retards. It can't be helped.

>>714735147
What's a gamergate?

>>714735932
Wow, I guess the EU will just have to pirate all indie games, they can't afford Denuvo anyway lmao

>>714736504
>I'm t. socialist
>I want to save AAA slop thus killing indies, A, and AA games in the process killing the entire game industry

>>714721352 (OP)
based pirate software is gay and deserved it

We did it Reddit!!

>>714721638
Great but how will that un-brown you?

>>714721352 (OP)
Mald fag seething

>>714721352 (OP)
>trannie kikes silence and censor gamers
>screech and cry when gamers fight back
lol

>>714729645

this is so fucking stupid. designing games to rely on proprietary always-online backends costs more money, not less

>>714721638
>its the aquajeet
like clockwork

>>714735932
australia will be safe at least

>>714723034
Wasn't there someone who sent "death threats" to themshelves and got caught red handed? I forgot who it was, but it was one of anti-GG people and I'm not talking about Zoe/Anita.

>>714735424
>who cares
I care. I liked the crew.
>>714736014
How about you get out of the thread. This is a European initiative. For once it's Americans who are irrelevant

>>714736941
more common than you think.
I still remember the fake bombs sent by courier mail to the left leaning news agencies in america that they tried to pretend were real.

>>714721352 (OP)
Supporting independent game developers, including those from marginalized racial groups, LGBTQ+ communities, and underrepresented backgrounds, is crucial for fostering innovation, inclusivity, and a thriving future in the gaming industry.
They are the ones who create revolutionary new experiences utilizing the blockchain, AI, and other emerging technologies, significantly expanding their creative control, unlocking new revenue streams through NFTs, fostering deeper engagement with players, and building a more inclusive and vibrant future for interactive entertainment.
This movement wants to put an end to all of it, so I BEG YOU TO NOT SIGN THIS!

>>714737016
anon, these are american hours and one of the moves made by the shills have been to try to start bullshit between burgers and euros.
Because if the EU moves, america might follow.
I really hope that move happens and that we follow.

>>714721352 (OP)
>movement
Nigga get over yourself, you're just fat neets in a basement.

>>714737016
>I care. I liked the crew.
Fuck you, online-only game lover
>How about you get out of the thread. This is a European initiative. For once it's Americans who are irrelevant
You're on an American website, Euro, get lost. I don't even know why America or Japan does business with Socialists.

>>714737093
Lol, disingenuous nigger.
Go join the 50%

I hate globalization so much

>>714737224
saaaar indians are not welcome

>>714737224
And fuck you too. It wouldn't be online only if SKG had come along sooner.
Every game is going to be online only in 10 years so fuck videogames I guess

>>714737320
you have a funny way of saying jews.

>>714735932
Indie games aren't even affected because they can't afford fancy game killing DRM or unavoidable central servers.
>just ignore the EU
That's one of the biggest and wealthiest markets for video games.
>AAA publishers
Yeah, juts like Apple stopped selling stuff in Europe.

Dishonest fearmongering.

>>714721638
>>714721352 (OP)
>bingo
well well well, if it isn't piratefaggotsoftware himself

>>714736156
>daddy government
Why do so many anti SKG posters have daddy issues?

>>714725681
Heffer where are the proofs?

>>714733809
>Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
I don't know why applel was so vehemently against it when they already introduced it on their macs and ipads before.

>>714734156
The mold will reanimate his corpse

>>714736156
Remember when you said the same thing about Steam refunds?
We'll drag you bootlickers into a future where customers aren't just cattle for big companies to abuse anymore, no matter how much you kick and scream.

>>714737224
>get lost
Make me

>>714737370
They won't if you just don't play them, these are capitalist companies, the best way to defeat them is to simply not purchase their crap or just not play their online-only games. If you do that enough, they'll see it as a dead market and won't make online-only games anymore.

>>714737330
I agree, I hate street shitters.

>>714737447
All you're fucking doing is proving Pirate Software right. This is no longer a consumer rights movement, it's just a harassment campaign.
We're not fucking kiwifarms, we're better than this.

>>714736156
europoors...

>>714736641
>I want to save AAA slop thus killing indies, A, and AA games in the process killing the entire game industry
I already signed the petition, you don't need to sell me it.

>government please save me
Why are socialists like this?

>>714737638
>They won't if you just don't play them
I am one person, retard. My potential lost sale means jack shit to anyone. I didn't even pay for the crew

>>714737734
(You)

>>714736891
I really hate how retarded the world has gotten.
>You know, the daily mandatory skin flaying is painful, maybe we should stop
>EXCUSE ME GOY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE SKIN FLAYING INDUSTRY!?
>Let me guess, you have an investment there huh?
>S-SHUT UP GOY, SHUT IT DOWN

>>714737762
Fuck you, you bastard, indies, A, and AAs are the foundation of video games, they gave us a golden age before big corporate shitheads who never liked gaming came in and turned games into AAA slop because they hated that video games were toys for kids and nerds and needed that shit to be just another entertainment hub for the living room.

>>714737801
What made you stop calling us communists?

>>714737946
>You bastard
You will never be White, you will forever be cursed to exist as the brown skinned currymuncher you are.

>>714736641
>killing indies, A, and AA games
Feel free to explain how. I'm all ears.

>>714737979
You're the same, socialism either leads to fascism or communism. It never works.

>>714737801
>Commie nigger mentioning socialism as being le-bad on the site that promotes national-socialism
Weird how you retards don't practice what you preach, almost like you're subversives.

>>714721352 (OP)
The problem PirateSoftware is that they're being way too autistic to acknowledge that as a streamer he is not supposed to say the truth.
Look at Charlie. That cunt is 100% aware that SKG is a fucking joke, but he still supports them in a hilariously dishonest tone because he knows if he says anything negative about it he will be eaten alive by his own fanbase.
At any rate, the fact that this entire movement is carried by e-celeb drama is already disgusting enough. But the fact it is being carried by disingenuous e-celebs that don't even really believe in the movement is the cherry on the cake.

>>714738051
By keeping AAA alive. Please, just let it die.

Reminder Europoors:
You bought the game
You agreed to the contract
You are the causing this issue

>>714738172
>>You are the causing this issue
almost had it

>>714738092
Commies are socialists though, Union Socialist Soviet Republic (USSR)

>Dude get it we got freedom
>Freedom to get raped by mega corporations

I refuse to believe faggots try to keep pushing the argument that indies will die if they have to work on community networking options when a lot of shill posts talk about AWS/Azure/Whatever the fuck and microservices.
Which is it, indie developers are too poor to release p2p options or are they rich enough to afford fucking AWS services but cannot decouple their code from it?

>>714738239
We have the ability to choose if we want to get raped or not, anon.

>>714738172
But I don't like the contract
What you are gonna do about that huh?

>>714737525
Extra bucks from people having to buy (their) older versions of the USB

>>714738321
Like you have the ability to choose not to get mutilated at birth? Or the ability to choose to boycott israel?

>>714738321
No you can pick you want get raped by Disney or something other shitty corporation

>>714738323
Holy fuck you really are a retarded indian

>>714738172
this is some victim blaming shit going on here mayne

>>714738172
I'm changing the law just like you faggots keep changing your TOS. Deal with it.

>>714738172
>you agreed to the contract
I don't see my signature on it

>>714732806
What a retardedly pretentious comment. It was even dumber than the nigger you responded to. That makes you a double nigger.

save the mmo slop!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>714738321
>We
Go back to where you came from, faggot.

>>714738172
Based and truthpill

>>714729114
For some reason whenever someone suggests ANY pro-consumer stuff regarding vidya there will be anti-consumer cockroaches coming out of the woodworks. Somehow this happens less with any other medium

Why are indians so obvious?

>not supporting the man that will save videogames
https://www.accursedfarms.com/donations/

>>714738230
Socialism is a stupid boogeyman term that means almost anything politically. Giving some subsidies to an important industry is 'socialism' and yet we don't call every government that does it, socialist.

>>714738146
I don't see the correlation. The games without blockbuster budgets are thriving. The existence of AAA space doesn't change anything for them.

>>714738945
Somebodys gotta pay for all those first class flights across the EU so he can campaign!

>>714722496
>having the devs deliver an end of life plan where they inform the players of when they will stop support in advance
That is literally not possible, anon. No live service game is ever made with the intent to be shut down. Literally every single one is made with the intent to milk it for profits forever. They get shut down when people don't play them or when parent companies get shut down or sold. What you propose is that companies learn to read the future.

>>714738953
Are video games important, anon?

>>714738172
Contracts that are signed after purchase are null and void, retard nigger.
You can't make someone give you money, then say 'oops lol actually you don't get the product as agreed because you gave us money!'

Why do Americans hate consumer rights?

>>714739035
Well trained cattle

>>714738919
SAHEEEEB DO NOT REDEEM ME PLEASE. You're a triple nigger.

>>714739014
No one buys a car with intent to get in a wreck but car insurance is mandatory

>>714739029
Enforcing customer's rights and ownership isn't socialism, the accumulation of capital is a pro-capitalistic concept.

>>714725730
>>ToS
>Don't care.
You demand a thing, then when someone points out he thing already exists, you say you don't care. okay.jpg

>>714739035
Because we like watching things burn themselves. That's how capitalism works, baby

>>714739035
Having rights confuses and irritates them.

>>714739160
two more weeks faggot. remember you are talking about us while we don't even know you exist

>>714739142
Are...video games...important,...anon?

>>714739014
They could always extend the deadline if they reach it and intend to keep going
It just establishes a legal guarantee to the customer that service won't cease until the agreed date OR after

>>714739286
Yes they are very important :)

>>714739286
Yes? They're a huge industry with massive influence and entertainment value?

>>714739107
>comparing the demand a company knows when they will shut down a game in advance to a financial safety net program that partially alleviates hardship in the event of injury and/or property damage
Why can't you put those mental gymnastics to actual good use and make something with that creativity?

>>714739014
What, they can't just spitball a date?

>>714739325
You mean having a duplicate mention of what is already in the ToS stating that you will lose access to the game in the event of a shutdown? What's the point when it's already there? It is not the fault of anyone but the player for not reading the ToS.

>>714739394
Point is it's not impossible to plan for a failure a lot of games already do that
Redfall did it

>>714739282
Seems it's the other way around, you Europoors can't get us Americans off of your minds.

>>714739357
>>714739382
They're a toy and a hobby, nothing more

>>714739286
Video games make up the most profitable entertainment sector by a massive margin. I'd say that's important

>>714739486
"when it's done" is not a deadline

>>714739531
Americans can't help but give their two cents on European consumer rights. The biggest names on either side are American.
Rent fucking free

>>714739486
The ToS only says that you won't be able to play anymore after the service ends, not when nor how that will happen
The whole idea is creation a situation where developers would have to GUARANTEE that that won't happen until a previously agreed upon date that the consumer knows about (and thus can make an informed decision about), or later
Say that, for example, a developer launched a game and announced that the planned end of service date is 3 years from launch, then players would know that they would be able to buy and play the game without worry for those 3 years, and upon reaching that date the dev could set a new one if they intend on keeping it afloat
Of course, if they don't think this is an appealing option then they could choose one of the other alternatives proposed by the initiative

>>714739009
They guy lives in a mold cave and mostly stopped doing the stuff that makes him money so that he can focus on his quest for game preservation.

>>714725681
did he at least try and bot negative review bombs, because that's also another lie for the human roach

>>714735932
>indie devs
Since fucking when indie devs have made GaaS games? Nine Sols for sure wasn't one

>>714739612
If they're not important then why are you posting here? Go do something more important with your life, baka shill.

>>714738945
>giving money to a youtuber
>ever
>for whatever reason
>even ironically
I hate zoomies so goddamn much
>HE WILL SAVE VIDEOGAMES
Cocksucker.

>>714740083
Friendslop. Just ignore the fact that they use p2p connections or free steam servers

>>714721352 (OP)
Redpill me on SKG, is it the spiritual successor to GamerGate?

>Accomplishes nothing
>Makes videogames even worse
B-But you told me we were saving videogames? What happened?

Pirate Software Same, I kneel

>>714740337
He's no longer a youtuber. He's a political hammer.

>>714739612
What the fuck are you doing on /v/ then you retard?

>>714739637
It's not, it's a hobby, you think it's more than that because Sony and Microsoft made you believe it's more than just that.

>>714740228
Because I'm a nerd who just so happens to love video games and loved them since the early 90s. I simply hate what Microsoft and Sony did to video games.

>>714738245
Schrödinger's Indie Devs, at the same time they have the money/manpower and at the same time they don't

>>714740647
Video games aren't life, you play them when you feel like it

>>714740790
>happens to love video games
Then you surely want them to not be destroyed, right?

>>714738945
Video games will save themselves if you just sit on your ass and do nothing.

>>714740489
Heard of summer /v/
This is Zoommer /v/

>>714740946
I want a part of them to be destroyed, the high budget ones, that is.

>>714741035
Then you're already served, you can leave /v/ and go do something else with your life.

Can someone give me a rundown on this? I know literally nothing other than seeing this image and phrase posted on /v/ the last few days. I'm assuming it's related to eceleb cancer.

>>714741262
Just some incel b*llshit. I would suggest you ignore it for the sake of your own mental health.

>>714733809
>> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
Which was an upgrade mind you. Apple didn't have USB-A at all.

>>714725663
>>714725681
>>714725115
>>714726120
hello discord, before you start saying shit maybe take your time to actually read what you are going to take a dump on. It would make your e-celeb dicksucking contest more believable.

>>714741262
europoors are stupid and buy games with an expiration date

hilarious, you can instantly tell they hired bunch of jeets to shitting on everyone in these threads once it passed the threshold

>>714741262
Europoors think video games are as important as owning a house, vehicle, phone, computer, food, or TV

>>714740874
I feel like playing the crew

>>714741607
>phone
>computer
>TV
Those can provide entertainment so by your logic those aren't important. Throw them in the trash right now.

>>714741607
>TV
>important

>>714740440
saar do not redeem

>>714740337
Oh may gawd, sisters. Can you imagine? Giving money to something you enjoy? Gross.

>>714741547
Is live service gaming really that important to these faggots that they are willing to spend money running shill campaigns to stop it? Pathetic behaviour.

>>714741742
How am I supposed to get the news, how will I know where someone close to me is, how will they know where I am. Video games consoles just play video games, they're not really important to life.

>>714741419
Yeah, I'd say all of those things are good. Customer protection laws is the one thing that globo homo behemoth does right.

>>714741907
who knows, maybe it's just bunch of discord fags doing it for free, before the weekend these threads used to be mostly peaceful but now it's nothing but very obvious false flagging

>>714741907
>>714727870
Look at this and it should give you the answer

Quite honestly the stop killing games movement and its supporters simply do not understand how gamedev works

>>714741919
>how will I know where someone close to me is, how will they know where I am
Humans are born equipped with face orbs called eyes, they're used to see the world around them and obtain information about their surroundings.
>How am I supposed to get the news
Since you can't read, I really don't know.

>qrd?
>qrd?
>qrd?
>Can someone quickly run this down?
Hoy shit just read the hundreds of threads up

HUGE REMINDER
There is currently a corporate lobby going on full damage control against SKG, and they're spamming and spreading misinformation everywhere on the internet to try to discredit the initiative.
Their new trick currently is trying to correlate SKG to GamerGate.
DON'T GIVE THOSE NIGGERS AN INCH, REMEMBER TO SPREAD THE WORD

>>714742340
Or google it, the first result is the main website which includes an FAQ
>But that isn't quick
Read the first line only then.

Always remember that /v/ has seen real, genuine shills over the years ranging from journalists to developers to paid corporate mouthpieces trying to swing the narrative. And now that the initiative is doing Ironman numbers, the shilling is going into overdrive right as the corporate lobbyists make a public statement in SKG's opposition.

>>714742465
I'm still waiting on Ross' response, seems like he is ready to tear the "arguments" to shreds.

>>714742225
>this isn't how gamedev works
>zoomers thinking that self hosted private servers "mysteriously" and "naturally" phasing out was actually how it always was

>>714742514
He's gonna be nice to them, but the fact that he has a heart of gold only makes his message more powerful. A real human bean can't be against the moldman if the moldman is just that nice.

>>714742594
Maybe, but just remember how in certain game dungeons how he has no tolerance for this type bullshit (See: The rant in trackmania over the downgraded lighting). He'll sound respectful, but he'll do his exaggerated "no!" and say "That's not how it works at all!".

>>714742698
>but he'll do his exaggerated "no!"
Unrelated but do we have an audio clip of that?

>>714742465
I hope journalists continue poking people until the people's patience runs out.

>>714742779
I don't think anyone has isolated it, but you can probably go to the pirate response video or a random Freeman's mind episode and find a good one.

Ross seems to have made a powerful ally in Louis Rossmann. He's got the experience and seems to be coaching them on how to attack now that the shit is about to hit the fan.

>>714721352 (OP)
i couldnt sign it as i'm american but im rooting for you eurotrash
pretty cool that the hatred of that pirate software douche brought people together

>>714743214
Right to repair and digital ownership go hand in hand so I'm really interested to see where this all goes.

>>714742779
Battleforge was such a good episode.

>>714742225
Simply develop games differently then

>>714743214
I like Louis, his wiki (the repair one, not the the consumer protection stuff) has helped me before and it's been a good resource. But he, as he admits himself, is an idiot. He tries so hard to push for consumer right in the most cucked country on earth when it comes to that sort of stuff. Had he packed up and left for the EU 10 years ago he would have accomplished so much more. I think his family is polish too or something, it's not not like it would have been hard to for him to get back to the old country and maybe give the world some legislation on this stuff. Repair isn't as global as software but on stuff like com computers and phones it would trickle down to pretty much everyone. We could have had replaceable batteries for the longest time by now...

>>714723413
He already looks like he is a failed tranny

>>714739102
KWAA
kek what an autist

He was right
people need a common enemy to hate in order to look past their differences and come together

Thank you, Pirate Software, for becoming the dragon our story needed

>>714743894
I like the time he almost got redpilled on the jew question.
>Tries to get an apartment in new york
>Is doing inspection with the landowner and real estate, they seem happy with him
>The topic of religion and ethnicity comes up for some reason
>Louis talks about his actual heritage (No jew)
>Suddenly the mood change
>Weeks later the landlord and real estate ghosted him despite seeming like a good tenant in their words.

>>714721352 (OP)
>movement gets actual traction
>corporations send shills to damage it
like clockwork

This is literally gamer gate 2. You guys know how this shit ends and I don't know why you even bother. mods are just going to censor this shit here too.

>>714721352 (OP)
Sounds based and you’re a faggot Jew. Kill yourself

>>714723413
I'd be here for when troons out.
The fag is already dating a tranny, it won't take that long.

>>714744242
This would be number 3, supposedly. I can't remember what 2 was about.

>>714744242
>mods are just going to censor this shit here too.
They already tried.

>>714744114
Idk what I find more amusing
pol/ talking points becoming mainstream,
or
people still acting oblivious after being shown proof that Israel is buying off politicians

>>714744114
I haven't seen this video, which one was it?

>>714744409
I can't remember, an anon posted it one of these threads, I'll try and track it down.

>>714744242
Yeah except even fags like redditera are shitting on Pirate and the Corporate ilk

>>714744242
>saaaaaaar please be the demoralized (and come again)
no, I don't think we will.

>>714744242
>mods are just going to censor this shit here too.
Don't remember how older threads about this got spammed with gore etc. to get the threads deleted?

>>714744242
I have no idea how it ends actually. Gamer gate 1 still hasn't ended

>>714745096
And more recently, someone was spamming CP to get the threads deleted.
This actually put the mods between a rock and hard place, they couldn't just delete the threads because then it'd just encourage people to spam even more CP on the board.

>>714744846
We're witnessing a big context shift the second it hit 1 million signatures.
Reddit and leftist Bluesky are quickly now attributing SKG to Gamergate. see >>714736109

>>714745265
>Chet Falizek
>Any credibility with 6 likes
Kek nice joke

>>714725115
In Ross' video about how he had a month left of time, he mentioned how he surprisingly got contacted by some of the devs of 'The Crew', because it turns out that people that worked on a major project don't want to see all their work deleted without a trace.
Also, post nose.

>>714721352 (OP)
these tactics have been proved to work before, they worked when faggots and trannies did the same, don't hate the players, hate the game

>>714745369
He's a decently popular indie game dev on there with 12k followers. People just don't care too much about liking text posts.

>>714730469
>Knowingly and admitting to purposefully posting blatantly off-topic shit
>Get warning
>Go to different board on same website with same on file warnings to post probably also post blatantly off-topic shit
>Receive ban
>Conclude it's the board that's strict after ignoring warnings
Paypiggies are a special kind of stupid.

>>714745652
You can easily check retardera, bluesky. and that shit heap known as gaming circlejerk on plebbit and see that they don't call it the next gamergate only that retard Chet does.

>>714721352 (OP)
yeah I don’t care if they commit genocide. Anything bad for corpos is objectively good.

>>714744114
>almost got redpilled
He's a New Yorker, man. Everybody in NYC knows. Even the jews don't like the jews.

>>714744242
>You guys know how this shit ends
I wouldn't mind a new 8ch, personally. Shit was peak funny.

>>714746140
I half suspected the word filter was still active all these years later.

Anyone got the numbers of how much Piratesiftware has lost followers/viewers wise since became enemy number 1 on the web

>>714746221
Nobody cares. He's smalltime.

I know this thread is just baitposts for (You)s but it scares me to think there are people defending organizations that only see you as a number and would sell you to slavery if it was legal.

>>714746214
Test cripplechan, wheelschan, infinitechan

>>714746323
This used to be a funny image where the answer would trip the filter.

>>714746316
they are indians, anon. not people.

>>714736109
>>714735931
...How the fuck are people still pretending that the entire gamergate shitshow wasn't justified because Zoe was a fucking whore and Anita is a dumb cunt?
Its been 10 years and all the receipts are all still there. Its not fucking holocaust where all records of it were magically destroyed.

I want to make developers work harder and I want publishers to earn less money. Make my games work forever BITCH

>>714740962
I sat on my ass and did nothing, and all i got was a zombified husk of what i once loved.
The wallet has proven itself useless. Now the stars shall rise and dictate our will.

It's pretty ridiculous, /v/ went full circle into SJW/woman tactics. Serious lack of testosterone on this board.

The movement will fail by the way. Not for lack of support, but by sheer ignorance of IT law and technological reality of large scale game development.

>>714746578
Because people during GG let the narrative shift.

>>714735932
>indie devs
Will be the least effected.

>>714746865
>sheer ignorance of IT law and technological reality
Then it's a good thing /v/'s not running the movement and they've got an expert on IT law and lobbying literally coaching the movement live on stream right now.

>>714746578
because journos still control wikipedia and these retarded outsiders have no fucking idea lol.

What about web applications? Like YouTube, Gmail, ChatGPT? Do you force companies to provide server binaries for this, too?
If not, what is the difference to live-service games?

>>714737801
>Corporations steal the game we paid for
>Somehow we shouldn't do shit about it

>>714747173
I dunno about AI-shit, but in terms of youtube and gmail you can LITERALLY have the files hosted locally.

>>714735931
>Muh gamergate
Lmao, bit too late innit now that the voting threshold has already passed.

>>714747253
Show me where you can download the server binaries

>>714744242
Too late and people don't care about le harassment on the internet anymore.

>>714742225
Can't they just make P2P ? Did they lost the code for it ?

>>714747385
Please say sike nigger, please tell me you are baiting on not knowing how mail servers work.

I genuinely can't remember the last time something was so thoroughly astroturfed as the SKG opposition. What fun.

>>714744242
Fuck, I don't want to see piratesoftware's nudes

>>714745214
It's funny how these pro-consumer movements get people to spam shit in the threads to get them deleted. Almost as if there was some other purpose and motive than just "for the lulz".

>>714747467
Please tell me why you're dodging the question.

Where can I download the server binaries? You don't seriously think Gmail is just an SMTP server, right? What about Youtube? Google? Twitter? Or any other website that you can pay for?
Answer the question you tech-illiterate imbecile.

>>714747209
You know how multiplayer games work, you shouldn't be buying them at all, if these retarded devs want to make multiplayer games, how about going back to local play.

>>714729114
Of course they are shills. Either employees themselves or paid third party shills.

Theres absolutely nothing to gain from a consumer to attack this petition even if he doesnt care about dedicated servers or offline capability for games when they reach EoS.

>>714746896
>>714747147
Any credible places to read up on all the details?

>>714746578
Because none of the anons are journalists, I believe, and even if they were and reported truthfully about the situation they'd get fired

>>714721352 (OP)
Fuck off Pirate thor Faggot

>>714747941
Personally I'm criticizing it because the movement risks failing in court completely just because they can't let go of live-service games.

Games where the online component is optional should absolutely continue to function forever.

But you're not winning on live-service games and risk losing the initiative on single-player.

>>714744315
i think it was because of people were shitting and screaming on stellar blade and other similar games released at that timeframe?

>>714747949
you have to actually dig deep.
so basically, the QRD is simply that journalists were being bought off in various ways by devs.
people started finding fairly small and organic networks formed by things as simple as family and marital ties, and more formalized efforts to control and censor games "unofficially" according to shared guidelines, using reviews to do so.
fast forward to today and these things are so well known that gaming journalism has all but died off in the mainstream circles because no one trusts them.

>>714748483
I already know the QRD, i just wanted the proofs against the popular narrative

Honestly? This whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>714748547
you have the greater proofs already.
the collusion is well known at this point via empirical evidence.
to find the original investigations you need to dig deeper like I did nearly a decade ago.
you are gonna want to use a NON american search engine because they will actively avoid letting you find anything, just like yandex (which is russian) will avoid letting you find out anything bad about the russian government

>>714748667
how did you fuck this up?
you should have posted this in the pirate shitting threads, but instead you waited and posted this fake sobstory in a thread not even caring about him lmao

>>714748793
my bad lmfao

>>714748667
if you side with a company who's main goal is to take your money and fuck you, you deserve all the hate.

>>714721352 (OP)
It is amazing how uncomfortable this makes the industry. Live service model must really rake in the dosh.