To everyone who is on the fence about SKG, "SKG" or "Stop Killing Games" is a misnomer.
The REAL purpose of this movement is KSG or "Kill Shitty Games".

By voting in the initiative, you effectively make it so shitty GaaS games are no longer financially viable and that to make one you have to financially commit to it, which is great for customers and bad for companies.

>>714762487 (OP)
the point is to kill the fucking rich and i am tired of pretending it ain't so

>>714762487 (OP)
Hypocrite.

>>714762487 (OP)
Not really. Server costs are abysmall , it's not the 00s , grandpa

>>714762487 (OP)
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.

its not about SKG or KSG. It's about TPD

>>714763318
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

DON'T LET THIS BECOME LEFT VS RIGHT THING.
THAT IS WHAT LOBBYIST AND ELITE WANTS.
IF YOU PUSH IDPOL SHIT YOU WILL JUST HURT THE INITIATIVE AND MOVEMENT.
THE INDUSTRY IS AFRAID AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS.
DON'T LET THEM.

>>714762572
>America's puppets are tired of their corrupt leaders and protesting/rising up/on their way to civil war
>Israel is getting bombed back to stone age
>Older retarded boomer generations are checking out and younger generations easily NOTICE
>Russia and China will implode and become irrelevant without westoid support
>Thus no more fake jew wars and globalism and the world will know peace and livable wages once more
It will only get better from now on brother

>>714762487 (OP)
>multiple billion dollar companies have come out against SKG
>Ross is going to be murdered if it’s too successful
He just wanted to play videogames

>>714763318
Is there a second article? The fuck even is Dexerto?

False flag thread. They're really that afraid, huh?

>>714763423
Inform people on mainstream sites that this isn't left vs right or "us vs them" issue. Many people from all "sides" support this because it's important. Elite always pushes us vs them bs.

>>714762487 (OP)
The point is to make a distinction between a service and an owned digital good.
A subscription based monetisation that gives you access to a game up to a clearly defined date is a service.
A one-time purchase that give you a licensed copy of a game for an indefinite amount of time is not service, it's a perpetual digital good.
If you want to mix both like MMOs do than you better have an End of Support plan like letting your paying customer play offline or on their own private servers because they own their perpetual license copy and have a right to enjoy it.
It's quite simple.

>>714764534
Dexerto is a typical Bri'ish tabloïd about videogames, mostly about e-celebs. It's a people magazine for gamers of sorts. Or so I assume, from what I understand.
According to Wikipedia it astarted as "the TMZ of esports" then it became a clickbaiting videogame e-celeb online magazine.

>>714763798
The problem with that is despite it not being a left-right thing, just a pure movement to cut some corporatist bullshit, the university-educated socialist freaks will invade and pervade the initiative just like they have any other movement and FUCK IT UP as they will make it about themselves.
There must be an unerring, enforced message that gatekeeps fringe nonsense, or else SKG will become another Occupy Wall Street.

>>714764938
>A one-time purchase that give you a licensed copy of a game for an indefinite amount of time is not service, it's a perpetual digital good.
read the Steam-slop agreement that you signed.
It is a service.

>best case scenario it preserves videogaymes
>worst case scenario kills live service games
Win-win in my book. Fuck furries.

>>714762487 (OP)
>By voting in the initiative, you effectively make it so shitty GaaS games are no longer financially viable and that to make one you have to financially commit to it

not necessarily, but it does open companies up to sell two products. 1-the game, 2-the server software.
the second component can be sold after the main game shuts down years after release.

>>714763798
I despise this moralfaggotry.
If every sane, rational person played ball; all the enemy has to do is dress one of their own in our colours and it's fucked. People are stupid and fickle and it will always come down to whoever is left breathing to speak the narrative.

>>714766563
Local law doesn't say that and, if changed, would change that

>>714766810
>the second component can be sold after the main game shuts down years after release.
The petition would require the 1 to be accessible without needing to buy a new product because the initiative asks for 1 to be "reasonably playable" at end of life. It refers to just that product, 1

>>714762487 (OP)
>you effectively make it so shitty GaaS games are no longer financially viable
That's not true, the initiative only affects games after end-of-life, therefore GaaS shit can and will be operated as "normal" while it's live. The only difference would be that it needs to remain playable after the official end-of-life.

>>714766161
Ok. Why are we treating this like it’s serious? Does literally anyone else make the connection? Looks like a falseflag to me.

>>714763318
Same post in every thread

>>714763318
Is there someone left that still listen to video game journalists, rather than their favourite vidja e-celeb? Genuinely asking here.

No, they're still completely viable
Despite what gaslighters and corpos say, making sure these games don't die for eternity when the plug is pulled won't really cost them anything much extra at all

>>714763383
Teacher Professional Development?

>>714764706
If you don't have set goals or actually police your own movement you just get a bunch of retards either saying all the wrong things making it look bad or those same retards hijack said movement and turn it into a massive joke.

>>714768512
The Pedo Department

Hypocrisy.

>>714762487 (OP)
>By voting in the initiative, you effectively make it so shitty GaaS games are no longer financially viable and that to make one you have to financially commit to it, which is great for customers and bad for companies
IF
it doesn't get outright thrown out like so many other have
IF
they don't change the content of the petition in the process to exclude those
IF
it even passes

>>714763318
>and I'm afraid it's actually working.
it's not working, industry plant shill.

Really it changes nothing as long as they have an end of life plan. Unless GAAS is such a shit practice that it would completely fail without the FOMO of devs being able to pull the plug at any moment.

>>714769251
>FOMO
uhm, isn't this the reason why they keep making GaaS, so they can add FOMO stuff (mostly cosmetic) that would attract mindless whales/paypigs who'd pay for them?

>>714762487 (OP)
>shills seething and having 0 (zero) fucking arguments in every thread
I fucking love to see it so much.
My favorite "argument" so far is
>"b-but the software is too difficult to use!"
I guess you're gonna have to make it easier to use then :^)

>>714766563
User agreements are worthless when they go against an actual laws

>>714762487 (OP)
Also lets not forget that members of this movement are so extremist that they literally swatted piratesoftware and mass review bombed games from a company he was a part of for merely disagreeing with SKG

>>714763423
What the actual fuck. Usually I give people the benefit of the doubt but that is completely unrelated to a single thing

>>714766563
In the EU, Steam allows the purchase of licensed copies of games for an indeterminate period of time. Meaning I purchase a Perpetual licensed software copy for my use. Said copy doesn't give me ownership over the IP of the game, it gives me ownership of the copy I purchased for my personal use for an indefinite time.
It's why I can still install and play games that were previously sold on Steam but that have been removed by the publisher and aren’t sold on the platform anymore because they've ended support for them.
I dare Steam and any Video game Companies to go test that fact in a european court.

>>714766563
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm

>>714762487 (OP)
I don't even get how this kills shitty games either. The only time it's relevant is when you're shuttering the servers anyway. What losses are you incurring if you're not even running servers?

>>714770038
Still being able to install and play games no longer sold is the norm, not unique to EU

>>714762487 (OP)
but customers love shitty games and love to spend on gacha/lootboxes in shitty always-online skinner boxes

Aren't those games being killed because players abandoned them?

>>714770372
yeah, just look at this board, its gacha central these days

>>714769805
I guess PirateSoftware asking for people to eat his entire ass had an effect :)

>>714770386
Quake will never 'be killed' just because no one on the planet happens to be playing it anymore
Why should any other game

>>714770489
>nooo don't make me own all my gacha shit I whaled forever!
/v/jeets really aren't too smart.

>>714770189
>What losses are you incurring if you're not even running servers?
Companies want to be able to shut down Game 1 so that they can sell you Game 2.
If Game 1 remains playable, the company has to put more effort into Game 2 for people to move on.

>>714770229
Because you own the licensed copy you purchased with a one-time payment.
If you didn't purchase a subscription explicitly stating you pay a service to access the game for 30 days, you purchased a perpetual licensed copy that is yours.

>>714770229
I wonder why it became a norm...

>one twitter account with 0 likes will call something chud shit and it will get reposted on here and spammed with “the wokes are having a meltdown” amplifying it
Retards here do it all the time and it will be to the determination of SKG

>>714770661
none of them care or they wouldn't spend a dime on gachashit in the first place
and they jump on another popular gacha the next year cause they are slaves to FOMO

>>714770728
I don't think there's ever been a time in history when a dev taking their game down from sale on the Steam store would result in steam yanking it out of people's libraries

>>714770662
should have boycotted mw2 anon

>>714770842
>>714770674
You own the Perpetual Licensed Copy you purchased.

>>714770842
It did happen occasionally before EU made legistlation about it

>>714766367
>It's THEIR fault!
No, you don't understand.
Companies are playing both sides, while caring for neither.
Publicly, they will argue using left-leaning arguments, because that's the more PR friendly move nowadays ("think of all the poor women and queer people who will be hurt by this!").
On the other hand, they will also finance shills and falsflaggers using right-leaning arguments, both for and against ("EU cucks giving up their rights to their government, lol" "Yeah, this will make all those tranny and woke game disappear!").
NOBODY who actually cares about the initiative (or those politics, for that matter) would try to tie these things together.

I love that Ubisoft-hired jeets use "if it passes, there will be no more games produced ever!" scare tactics on 4chin on all places. I already signed, I don't need further incentive.

just turn off the server and have the game still work what's the issue bruv? don't know how to code that shit???

>>714764938
yeah so they will all simply have a big disclaimer "ITS A SERVICE" and still shut it down when it becomes unprofitable

>>714770842
Ironically, Ubisoft also tried to pull that off with one of the Assasin Creed games and there even were warnings on steam that the game will be removed soon and you couldnt buy it because of it.
They backtracked, however. Turns out people dont like theur libraries being yanked away.

>>714770650
Some games require multiple players to be fun so essentially losing popularity means theyre dead
See
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=gCtVOrd_iHA

>>714771075
>don't know how to code that shit???
Unironically 99% of "programmers" nowadays only know how to make webapps, so probably.

>>714763318
no-one reads these sponsored articles. As long as the ecelebs stop reacting to them (rather than respond for content) then no-one would even know they ever existed

>>714763383
Trump Penis Derangement

>>714771224
So does Quake DM
Again, a game currently having no one playing it is no reason for it to become permanently unplayable forever

If we could see that no one on Earth was currently playing Monopoly, would that make it OK to cast a spell that deleted all copies of it in the world and make reproducing it impossible?

>>714763798
At least there's one

Gamers Rising Up!!

FOR FUCKING REAL THIS TIME!!

>>714771427
when i create the copyright protection super-intelligence this dream will become reality

>>714762572
To the third worlder, an American trailer park redneck is rich

>>714762487 (OP)
>The REAL purpose of this movement is KSG or "Kill Shitty Games".
Doesn't really make much sense given this is an initiative to support shitty games that have drm.
After all the best thing you can do to kill shitty games is to not buy it.

>>714771150
Won't hold in court unless they specifically state it's not a one-time purchase and it has a limited number of days to use.
Good luck trying to sell an 80$ game stating " This gives you access to the game for 30 days, 1 month, whatever amount of time they define. You can renew the duration of access by repurchasing it for the same price when your subscription ends".

To me the funniest thing about all of this is the huge amount of EU retards that think their piece of the video game industry is so big that most of the large publishers won't just stop selling their products in the EU if this actually results in any legislation. And they always bring up the USB-c thing like that's even remotely comparable.

The next few months are going to be hilarious to witness. I don't even like Maldavius, but he unironically put it best: you're going to get nothing you want and everything you asked for.

>>714771546
>unless they specifically state it's not a one-time purchase and it has a limited number of days to use.
Anon, those aren't requirements for a service

>>714771670
I hope they leave really. So much eurojank will be made to fill the void.

>>714771670
Its big enough that the profit for selling there will always eclipse the tiny cost of removing the noose. The companies aren't really that spiteful.

>>714771670
>no more disgusting slop in EU markets and europeans will start buying more european made games
Seens like win-win situation

>>714771803
>So much eurojank will be made to fill the void.
Dude, we've always justade shitty shovelware.

Just watched this 6 year old video from Ross about games as a service and he already btfos any retarded argument made by shills/retards in these threads today.
A video from 2019 already destroyed you tards and yet you're still posting.

>>714771670
Bandwidth is not sales sure. But you really think devs would abandon a market roughly the size of NA? ROFL.

amazing how /v/ always finds a way to be contrarian about any given topic

>>714771670
Wrong. For companies it's a matter of development cost vs the amount of money you make for making those changes.

So for example, if it costs a million dollars to add an end-of-life plan to your big AAA game, and you would make 10 million by selling your game in EU, then they would absolutely make their game globally follow the EU law.

The entire world would benefit.

>>714766810
>the second component can be sold after the main game shuts down years after release.
I didn't even think of this. That's a win win for everyone including developers then since they have a new revenue stream. Unless they're barred from selling the software.

>>714771150
They're already marketed as a service since they're "live service" games.
Being a service doesn't exempt you from anti-consumer practices and something no longer being available is not exclusive to a service.
Declaring it a service provides 0 protection and publishers can still be responsible for providing some "end of life" support.

>>714771934
They are paid to shill, not to make good arguments.

>>714771934
And are you going to explain how?

>>714771670
GDPR
>>714771983
Initiative language doesn't allow for that and is

>>714772005
You haven't made an argument to begin with. You're just blatantly shilling Ross' channel.

>>714771814
the cost of giving away millions of dollars worth of R&D on netcode, source code, and server binaries to a bunch of autists so a group of 15 of them can continue to play their favorite slop for years to come probably isn't worth the revenue from the copies they would sell

The vast majority of the EU only plays NPC nigger trash like FIFA and F1, everyone forgets that.

>>714771670
>these greedy bastards will just cut an entire market bro!
you are retarded

>>714771670
>20 million copies were sold on the PS4. With North America contributing 30.3% of sales and Europe accounting for 48.5%.
Europe is an even bigger market than America. Not selling to it is instant financial suicide

>>714772089
>millions of dollars worth of code
>still shut down the game and vault it forever
Okay

>>714771960
jesus christ what a retarded example? is this a subtle troll? you even admit in your own post they're not the same thing

>>714771979
name a game in the past decade that made 10 million in sales in the EU other than some shitty sports game

https://youtu.be/z5Ay_aOUcFw
It's over.
He bent the knee to lobbyists.

>>714772059
>Initiative language doesn't allow for that and is

They can provide tools for technically knowledgeable people to DIY, but they can also provide a streamlined package for sale. I think that can pass just fine.

>>714772159
>one game sold more, that means the EU is half the video game market

yikes

>>714772089
Same old gaslighting
It does not cost 'millions of dollars' to make sure your game won't die with the plug-pull. And you're technically not just screwing over the 15 current players by leaving he noose on, but all the millions who bought your game and have your product sitting on their shelves/in their digital libraries not knowing something they paid for just stopped working for no reason.

>>714762487 (OP)
But service games would still be plenty viable, because they make tons of money
Putting in a tiny frontloaded bit of effort to ensure people can still play it after you stop support isn't actually going to stop any of them, unless they were never gonna be profitable in the first place

>>714772089
>the cost of giving away millions of dollars worth of R&D on netcode, source code, and server binaries
1. You're implying that R&D was lost even though it was used to build a game that was then sold to customers. When you kill the game without a plan, that code is also lost
2. You're implying that code cannot be used again which is false. They're welcome to reuse whatever they like
3. No one asked for source code and the language was left vague intentionally

>>714772236
No... not like this... how could it end like this?!

>>714771670
kek why are people so delusional that they genuinely think giving a game dedicate servers is more expensive then completely abandoning the entire European market. This is some Stockholm syndrome shit

>>714772302
How is that gaslighting?
I'm. Not even concerned with your argument to that anon but what on earth do you think gaslighting is?

>>714772406
>giving a game dedicate servers
You don't know what those are, or what any of this is about

>>714772201

>>714772283
>yikes
That's the real yikes

>>714772262
>but they can also provide a streamlined package for sale
What would that "streamlined package" look like? If they met the requirements of "reasonably playable state" by law, what else could they sell that could compete?

>>714771670
>lets just abandon the biggest market of the world bro

>>714771670
one of the most fucking stupid posts I've ever seen regarding this whole debacle, this is what happens when you send indians to do your job

>>714762572
Killing the rich won't solve your problems

In fact making everyone poor will only worsen life incredibly

>>714762487 (OP)
Do you think we'll be able to play WIldstar?

Anyone that supports SKG is a communist, full stop. The government has no right to tell companies what do.

>>714771763
They are: you purchase a subscription to digital services like Netflix, Gamepass and others that specifically state you purchase a service giving you access to their products for X amount of days, with said service being renewable.
AAA Companies want to maintain ambiguity over GaaS and Games purchases.
Games like MMOs or Gacha that only require to purchase a subscription are a service.
Games that require both a one-time purchase and a subscription can't pretend to be service only.

>>714772517
>if you kill the rich everyone will be poor
that's not how it works

>>714772584
So you're calling yourself a communist?

>>714763798
Always hated how every single movement against those in power ALWAYS turns into some left-right shit. Commoners threaten the nobles? Make it about trans rights or Confederate statues. Divide and conquer, as they say

>>714772584
you must love drinking lead and breathing asbestos
lmao

>>714772584
Companies have no right to tell goverment what to do

>>714772001
there is no law and will never be a law that forces anyone to provide a service or support forever and you are not entitled to get their backend to run your own service and the owner can take you down if you try - cause thats copyright violation - hosting a private server is copyright infringement.
and good luck trying to re-write copyright laws

>>714772430
The statement that giving players a chance to keep playing these games after the plug-pull will cost the devs millions of extra dollars is false.

Hence if you are trying to get people to believe it, you are either gaslighting or misinformed yourself.

This movement will be more effective for future games than for games already exist.

>>714772467
I do kill yourself

>>714772486
Thats clearly what will happen even if SKG people refuse to see it
Thor is and always was right

>>714772571
Nah. Applying it retroactively would be impossible and and unfair.

>>714772605
>subscription
Key word. The end date of the subscription has to be told but not the service as a product since that's determined by how many people are using it.

>>714763798
vtuber and gachafags deserve the rope

>>714772584
How exactly do you think government is supposed to work in a democracy?

>>714772754
How much do you think an end of service plan costs

>>714772584
>Cars should be made of cheap steel and avoid crash test ratings
>Homes should still use lead paint
>Food should contain additives that are demonstratively proven to be harmful to your health with 0 disclosure of what's in them as well
>Your private, undisclosed information should be used against you for insurance purposes so that a business can make more money off you
>Businesses should be allowed to sabotage your property in order to generate more business for them

This is all in the name of allowing businesses to operate without regulation.

>>714772694
Anon, that's just regular fucking lying, not gaslighting.

>>714772236
>>714772373
He literally does the opposite of bending the knee in the video.
Are these fucking AI posts

>>714772804
Lumi is a cutie tho.

>>714772236
we losted...

>>714772872
He literally said it's not practical for existing games to implement private servers, it's time to pack it up. We're finished.

>>714771903
eurojank is a multinational treasure that mustn't be disrespected

>>714772679
Companies are legally considered people, so yes they do.
>>714772810
The government fulfills the desires of the people, not the other way around.
>>714772858
If the goods are not good, then people won't buy them. We don't need (((regulations))) for something is natural.

>>714772714
No, you're objectively wrong faggot
In fact dedicated servers are the exact opposite of what the initiative is about, dedicated servers are what games already have, and games not working without them is literally the problem

>>714772754
There is not a single good reason to think that that will happen

>>714772872
anon, i...

>>714772872
SKG supporters have to gaslight and falseflag to earn support.

>>714772912
He's said that from the beginning you magnum retard

Current game industry is such utter cancer that I support every movement designed to hurt it

You are not entitled to own any kind of product for eternity
Games should just explode after 10 years or something
That will make you buy it again, or buy a new one
Videogames lasting forever is what's killing gaming right now

>>714772962
Yet here you are supporting one that strengthened it.

>>714772923
>The government fulfills the desires of the people, not the other way around.
Which is exactly what SKG is

>>714772920
Nice game.

>>714772691
Then don't sell live service games requiring one-time purchase giving you a perpetual licensed copy and pretend your customers don't own it for an indeterminate amount of time.

>>714772612
Yeah, the most violent and unhinged people are the new rich and they are less skilled at skillful brutality. Your commie wet dreams will probably get you killed by a warlord, but keep posting guillotines without reading a word about the history of the French and Russian revolution.

>>714772912
Just like Apple isn't expected to recall every iPhone ever sold and replace them with USB-C units.

>>714772858
>my toys stop working after 10+ years
god gamers are pathetic

>>714773017
He means punish the publishers

>>714763318
Its honestly kinda funny how one developer's ego ended up giving more coverage to SKG lmao

>>714772236
IT'S FUCKING JOEVER DUDE

>>714772912
Ross literally stated that from the start. The whole idea is that going forward that developers will need to have an EoS plan in mind if this initiative is successful.

>>714772691
>there is no law
Hey! You figured out what the initiative was made for without anyone telling you. Good for you!
>provide a service or support forever
Not the ask. The ask is "reasonably playable state". Now that you know what an initiative does, maybe you can try reading it
>you are not entitled to get their backend to run your own service
Consumer protection laws might disagree. Current wording sure sounds like I'm entitled to the thing I bought which included a client that connects to a server or servers so I can play the game.
>the owner can take you down if you try - cause thats copyright violation - hosting a private server is copyright infringement
No, we would not require the company to give up any of its intellectual property rights, only allow players to continue running the game they purchased. In no way would that involve the publisher forfeiting any intellectual property rights.

I found this really helpful link: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

>>714773034
If that were the case, it would need a majority of people signing it. More people would rather support a healthy economy with business operating to their fullest potential rather than a minority of unemployed "men" trying to force their will on companies via the government.

Again, it's all very communist

>>714773121
You believe art being permanently destroyed is more important than your life, that's your problem

>>714773060
>Then don't sell live service games requiring one-time purchase giving you a perpetual licensed copy and pretend your customers don't own it for an indeterminate amount of time.
They aren't, you bought a regular game with DRM. That doesn't make it live service.

>>714772803
Which is why subscription only games aren't concerned by SKG's potential legislation.

>>714773236
>art
god gamers are pathetic

>>714773126
Which it doesn't.

>>714772929
You can host your own dedicated servers you know that right and dedicated servers are the main issue people have with SKG in that “bro how will we run our game when it has to phone an official
server” many games have the option to allow the user to run their own dedicated servers. So kys I guess

>>714773303
Yeah, now face the wall, sir

>>714773121
>my tractor stopped working after 10+ years
>my water heater stopped working after 5+ years
>my car stopped working after a year
>my home security system abended because a new product was just released today
You will own nothing and blah blah blah
>>714772923
>vote with your wallet
Name a single time that worked and then layout a framework how that would work in this scenario. There was more outrage over the Switch 2 price tag and people still bought it

>>714773213
Oh, please

>>714773121
There's no 10+ year old game that you cherish and always like to regularly come back to? I pity you

>>714773248
Then why did you bother bringing them up in the first place?

>>714773374
I'm not into slop

>>714773121
What are you doing on a video game board? Just here for the shilling?

>>714773374
If you bought a 10 year old game with DRM that's on you.

>>714773213
A business operating to its fullest potential... at the expense of the consumer. What the fuck is even the point then? A business isn't supposed to be a parasite on society, it's supposed to provide high-quality goods and services in exchange for payment from the customer. Capitalism isn't supposed to be a jerkoff fantasy for a single CEO, it's the natural state of supply and demand

>Netflix
kek
>Nintendo
Now I understand why there's such a strong defense force
>Blizzard, Epic, Riot, Sega and others
yup, I totally trust those. Start Killing Games now!

>>714773471
I'm not here to cry over slop

>>714769805
Is there any proof he was swatted? That retard has lied his entire career. He's a pathological liar.

>>714773374
>There's no 10+ year old game that you cherish and always like to regularly come back to?
there is, but its not some shitty online game, so im not bothered by server shut downs and the like

>>714772236
(people are going to jail)

>>714769805
gamers always shoot themselves in the foot they are disgusting human beings.

>>714773490
It's totally possible to have a good you're interested in and to have moral misgivings about. Rejecting convenience is the heel of modern capitalism. So much so that living an entirely primitive life with tools you made, shelter you built, and food your foraged is the only way.
Hop to it, Thoreau. Get off this website. Show us how we should all be living, Alexander Supertramp.

>there are "people" that are actively trying to shill against property of videogames for a few cents
>as if it couldn't, and as if it wasn't designed to anyway, spill over every other facet of private property
the jews are right about the cattle thing

>>714772912
He literally said allowing a game to be playable after the dev servers go down would require a tiny fraction of the effort required for the devs to get the game running in the first place since private servers wouldn't need the majority of the game features, meaning it's incredibly practical

>>714772584
Without a legal framework (enforced by a power monopoly) ruling how companies and customers may treat each other, there'd just be barbarism any time one side reaches a critical mass of angry people. If you think that's based and social contract and civilization are cringe, I recommend one of the many beautiful African warzones this world has to offer.

>>714773426
>>714773490
The prospect of wanting to play 10-year-old games in general was mocked as childish
In truth games from as far back as 20 years ago before this practice became common still work, and we see no reason to let go of such a standard and just start accepting hidden expiration dates

>>714772912
Ross stated since the beginning you fucking idiot

>>714766832
>all the enemy has to do is dress one of their own in our colours and it's fucked
>enemy
I pray to God you mean the corpos. If you keep loud enough noise and say "no, fuck that guy he's a fucking plant", then keep repeating that unless the idiot loses all credibility. And if """your side""" hops in to support some retarded strawman, then you have to really self-reflect your ideology. Just kick those off, and same for anyone """on the other side""". Don't bite and go "OH NO NO WHY ARE THEY SO RETARDED!?!?" for easy """"win"""".

You gotta understand that this is SKG, not "who owns SKG". It is cooperation, and the corpos are shitting themselves when they can't turn this into left vs right.

>>714773386
Because the issue is companies like Blizzard or Ubisoft SELLING (not leasing) one-time purchases (not renting nor subscriptions with end dates) of perpetual licensed copies of games, giving ownership of said licensed copy to the BUYER for his personal use over an undetermined amount of time, and revoking their customer's rights to enjoy said purchased good because they want to "encourage" their customer to BUY their newest product.

>>714773496
Good companies thrive, parasite companies die. That is the natural state of supply and demand. We don't need a (((government))) telling companies what to do.

>>714773723
Nothing you said had any relevance to the conversation

>>714773998
all those chink and gook gacha companies are good?

>>714773998
your idea only works when people aren't retarded
people are extremely retarded so we need government to keep everything tidy
that said, government itself is corrupt so most things are a total mess

>>714773998
>Good companies thrive, parasite companies die
Then how do you explain companies like EA and Ubisoft thriving? Are you saying these are good companies?

>>714773998
>Good companies thrive, parasite companies die.
Seems to have been complete opposite of that, so apparently companies beed more regulating to provide healthy platform for growth instead of letting parasites to run wild

>>714773574
Why would he lie about something that would invalidate something he had previously said with pride, that being that he cant be swatted because he knows local police and theyd call first?

>>714774052
DRM is a moral misgiving and is pinning the blame on the user for not supporting their moral standings by not purchasing a product.
Now that I've spelled it out to you, you can reread my post.

>>714773998
Hey, if I pay you 200 rupee a post, will you leave Babel and come shill for me instead?

wowwowwow

>>714774160
Why not? They provide enjoyment to millions.

>>714774240
>that being that he cant be swatted because he knows local police and theyd call first?
guess what? also a lie

>>714772236
>balding guy living in a commieblock takes on multiple multi-TRILLION dollar companies with no finances of his own
how does he do it? is the MOLD really that powerful? I read there's fungi in chernobyl feeding on radiation, is ross a new lifeform in the same vein?

>>714774228
Both EA and Ubisoft have good games, yes.

>>714764706
Of course it's an us vs them issue, it's a gamers vs game producers issue

>>714763798
It's called COINTELPRO

>>714773902
That has nothing to do with it being a game as a service or anything you've tried to attribute it with. You simply bought a game with DRM.

>>714773998
Your arguments are all shit because they're incompatible with the world we actually live in

>>714772485
There's a sofware service called Discourse where you can pay them a subscription to host a website forum for you. But the tech is open source so you can do it yourself if you want.

Same thing for the streamlined package. Everything is included and installed so you click buttons to deploy your server and you're good to go.

>>714774405
If you consider EA and Ubisoft "good companies", and capitalism protects "good companies", then yeah, fuck capitalism

>>714774240
>why would a pathological liar lie about something that counters another lie
So there's no proof of being swatted then.

>>714774514
Capitalism thrived, communism failed

>>714764706
Nobody needs to push anything the masses are retarded and tribalistic on their own.

>>714774253
>you can reread my post.
I could but it wouldn't make it relevant.

>>714774548
If company makes a product I want they are good I don't need them to care for me.

>>714774573
>if you're not capitalist, you're communist. If you're not communist, you're capitalist
Life must be really easy and simple when you're a retard

>>714774573
Turns out capitalism is also shit if it has no brakes

>>714774405
That's the underlying problem with skg supporters. None of you have standards or any kind of self respect.
You just buy and buy and buy.

>>714774705
That's true, but we're talking about video games here, if you don't like the game don't fucking buy it, that's all it takes

>>714774707
I hate skg. Try again.

This is what happens when you give a movement a vague name like StopKillingGames.

>>714773002
>Videogames lasting forever is what's killing gaming right now
So many gamers are playing games that are 5+ years old so it's more competition to games out right now. That being said, for a game to be shutdown, that means it didn't have a viable audience to begin with so they don't have to worry about the games designed through this initiative.

>>714773998
We need a government to tell (((companies))) what they can and cannot do.

its up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ay_aOUcFw

>>714774803
this guy is so cringe

>>714774803
We know

>>714774762
Sure you do.

>>714774690
I'm gonna be real, even disregarding the blatantly illegal anti-consumer practices EA and Ubisoft have done, they literally just make straight up garbage games. Are you telling me you actually like playing repetitive open-world slop like Assassin's Creed and Far Cry, or degenerate woke slop like Dragon Age? Your opinion is extremely un-credible

>>714774509
>You simply bought a game with DRM
Most games with DRM can still be played offline or locally after the support period has ended. Because you own the copy of the game you purchased and most companies know that and would rather not risk what Ubisoft caused.

>>714774758
Video games are just one sector of business where it's being demonstrated. Every last wallet must be sucked dry, and no amount of anti-consumer practices or ass-fucking is too much as long as it results in 1 dollar more

>>714774863
Have you heard of Anno? Fake ass gamer.

>>714774863
>hey literally just make straight up garbage games
If that were the case then nobody would buy them and they would go out of business

>>714774348
It's the mold and the fact that God is literally on his side.
His heart is so pure and his cause is so righteous that the vilest demons (piratefag, corporate lobby vermin) in society are instinctively repulsed by it.
I'm not even religious and yet this can be the only explanation.

>>714774919
Video games are luxury products. Nobody is forcing you to buy a video game. Nobody is "fucking" you. If you don't like a video game, you don't have to buy it, at all, it's so fucking simple

>>714774783
Or, you know, you could just not consume for five fucking seconds. Consumers are the lifeblood of companies and if they aren't selling, they aren't appeasing shareholders and if they aren't appeasing shareholders then they'll leave.

>>714774737
Sounds reasonable, youd be basically pirating otherwise.
Also dont forget that in real countries, like the US, eulas and tos are legally binding

>>714773998
What about sneaking into the house of someone you sold something to, and destroying the thing you sold them to force them to buy a new one? Totally free market activity? Should have gotten a crystal ball to know sheckleberg was going to patch Dead Rising 2 to be always online ten years later?

>>714774934
That's what I'm saying. People are retarded. Idealistic systems like capitalism and democracy only work on the assumption that the average person is well-informed and operating in good faith. Unfortunately, they're not, so the systems have massive flaws

>>714774971
most other people would've gone to war with that faggot of piratesoftware, he has been reasonable until the very end and until then he just straight up juxtaposed his bullshit with what he wrote on the FAQs a year ago

>>714774524
Ok but that would mean the company that now has a dead game with now abandoned or disabled infra would be in the business of re-selling that. To build that would require an entirely separate set of skills.
I get what you mean and it's totally possible (Vercel exists as an "easy way" to basically use AWS, at a premium) but I personally have a hard time believing most companies would even attempt that. The cost to profit ratio would be way of without some serious engineering wizardry

>>714774607
Since refuting your argument you have no response. I'll accept your concession then

>>714774934
So why aren't they out of business?

>>714775056
If people didn't like the games, they would not buy them
People like the games so they do buy them
Where is the flaw? That you don't personally like them?

>>714775160
>So why aren't they out of business?
Because they make games people like

>>714774980
I never said anyone is forcing me to, and that's also irrelevant to my point about industry's mentality. It's a completely rotten part of society, and that shit ripples out

>>714775147
and even then*

>>714775160
>Since refuting your argument you have no response
It's almost as if you haven't given a relevant argument.

>>714774980
>Buy a game that I like
>It gets updated to something I don't like
>TOS gets updated to change the deal to something I don't like
>Way too late to refund

I've had wallet-voters on here say this is fine

>>714775168
This isn't about subjective things like "liking" or "disliking" or "good" or "bad". This is about objectively anti-consumer practices. The average gamer puts up with it because he's retarded, which allows companies to get away with it. That's the flaw

>>714774737
Now lets test this in a court under a legislative body that has customer protection laws.

>>714775218
For there to be anything unethical about it, for you to be getting fucked, there would have to be force involved somewhere
The bottom line is if they don't make something you like you don't have to buy it
This is so hard for entitled people who won't take control of their lives to understand

>>714768817
This.
People are assuming that it'll pass 100%, when the amount of initiatives that even got a fucking reply is in the single digits.

At best, you'll probably just get some minor law that requires developers to more visibly label the games as a service, and nothing will actually change. At worst, it'll sit in the pile of untouched initiatives.

>>714774991
Well, I guess if SKG does not go through the next thing we try are massive boycott campaigns

>>714775274
That should be illegal, no argument there

>>714775280
There's nothing objective about "anti-consumer", it means whatever you want it to mean, its arbitrary
I could say it's anti consumer if video games don't cost 5 dollars because I as a consumer am poor and can't afford full price

>>714775318
No, there needn't be force for behavior to be unethical. I don't even understand what view of morality would make you think that ethics are intrinsically linked to force

>>714775056
Ok I'll give you capitalism but name one single bad thing with democracy in the non idealistic world we live in

>>714775318
See >>714775274
Games aren't static. Through the magical power of updates, they change against your will.

>>714775380
It should have been the first thing.

>>714774991
If capitalism is akin to darwinistic evolution, then regulation is just eugenics. ie. we should kill off retards and bad practices instead of waiting for years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years for them to go away. The outcome is the same, except one is quicker and induces less suffering for all parties involved.

>>714762572
>the rich
The corporations you mean

>>714775449
Forcing people to to do things against their will is at the core of morality
Stealing, murder, assault, rape, all of these things are done by force against the will of the victim, which is why they are wrong

>>714775539
>instead of waiting for years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years for them to go away.
Try weeks.

Stop killing games, even if they're just garbage for the retards you hate

>”just vote with your wallet”
>vote with my vote instead
>”AIEEE STOP THAT COMMIE”

>>714775515
It was and achieved fuckall. So the only remaining option will be direct violence. I hope gaming companies are prepaired for Luigi

>>714775465
Just as customers will support companies that enact practices against their interests, voters will support politicians who enact policies against their interest. Democracy is an even bigger example since politics are much more complicated, and thus the average person is much more ignorant about them

>>714775539
>The outcome is the same, except one is quicker and induces less suffering for all parties involved.
Yeah and up picked the one that most likely won't have the desired effect and won't affect games made before 2034 if we're lucky.

>>714775649
>People deserve to die for making video games I don't like
This is so pathetic

>>714775575
And all those things are not the sum total of morality. Gaslighting people to their detriment isn't using force either, but what would you call that if not unethical?

>>714775246
>It's totally possible to have a good you're interested in and to have moral misgivings about.
>DRM is a moral misgiving and is pinning the blame on the user for not supporting their moral standings by not purchasing a product.
If this is hard for you, I would stay away from brain puzzles like "connect the dots" and counting.

>>714775206
So then a morally bankrupt company can still make games and be successful. Foxconn can install suicide nets to catch workers that saw death as their only option when working for them but is still a massively successful company.

>>714775346
Ross has stated that the people going to bat for him likely would just walk out and make it public that they did nothing. It doesn't mean we'll get what we want but it does mean we'll get answers and hopefully stir more public attention

>>714775649
>It was and achieved fuckall
It's almost as if no one did it.

>>714775716
Yes, if anything else does not work then violence is the final option

>>714775593
lmao.
two words
>seat
>belts

>>714762487 (OP)
>"Stop Killing Games"
>"Kill Shitty Games"

>>714773128
calling that furry faggot a """"""developer"""""" is a big stretch...

>>714775730
Well so long as the video game companies are honest about selling you a live service product that they might change or shut down then it's still ethical

>>714775754
Still waiting on that argument.

>>714766563

>>714775780
Do you have any sense of self reflection at all
That you think it's worth it to kill someone over video games
Can you step back and look at yourself and see how retarded this is

>>714773148
Consumer protection loses to copyright, you buy access to the service which they can terminate at any time (including personal ban or whole country ban for some legal reason). All you can legally do is force them to be more upfront about it so you as a customer know exactly what you get - an access to a service which will eventually end. And thats as far as any legislation will go after this petition. There will never be a legislation demanding forever support.

Intellectual property rights means company controls and can legally ban the use of their property - like running another service which uses their IP. They can take down even fan mods if they are really anal like Nintendo is.
Good luck rewriting copyright laws.

>>714775784
Are you just going to say words or are you actually going to make an argument with them?

>>714763423
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to align with our politicoideological beliefs and not interfere with our corporate masters' ability to jew consumers will determine whether anyone involved stays in our good graces or gets cancelled and criminally harassed en masse.
Fixed
You don't hate these people shaped things enough

>>714775859
See my post above :)

>>714775754
>So then a morally bankrupt company can still make games and be successful.
The entire world is morally bankrupt, do you think there's some exception here

One day, STEAM will die.

>>714775857
Do you really think they're being "honest" in any way except technically?

>>714775958
I'll take that as a consession then.

>>714768817
>>714775346
THE OUTCOME DOESN'T MATTER, RETARD.
They will either make decent and sound regulations, or they will give the consumers the middle finger.
Either way we get to close this subject forever, no more greyzone bullshit.

>>714775972
MAKE STEAM AN EU PUBLIC SERVICE RIGHT NOW

>>714763318
>>714763423
Literal bots copy-pasting the same posts from yesterday, wtf?
>>714749073
>>714749139

>>714775803
>7 years of work at Blizzard
>released Heartbound
>worked in cybersec as a hacker and won ctf awards
>also mr robot copied from him
By any metric he is a developer

>>714775997
They're being more honest than you lot and that's saying something.

>>714775997
I don't know, I don't buy or play AAA games so I don't know if their messaging is dishonest or not
But theoretically, if they are honest, then I don't think there's anything unethical about live service games

>>714775539
Giving away free samples of Meth to teenagers would be a extremely lucrative business.

>>714774991
>Just don't buy Dead Rising 2, or Atomfall. Just know the game is secretly going to be patched in later to have always online requirements.

How?

>>714775972
Don't worry. We'll be able to host our own private Steam server when it EoLs.

>>714776115
One of their arguments for shutting down a game is literally that you might not buy their sequel otherwise. How every ethical

>>714776182
How is it unethical? You need to be able to detach "I don't like it" from genuine ethics here

>>714776106
Whatever you say

Reminder: anti SKG fags aren't even shills. Almost all of them are bored contrarian trolls. Some local schizos, some from gay chan, and some randoms here and there.

>>714776071
You know sometimes people copy their own posts too

>>714775935
>Consumer protection loses to copyright, you buy access to the service which they can terminate at any time (including personal ban or whole country ban for some legal reason).
No copyright is being infringed upon. Terminating access is not related to copyright at all.
>All you can legally do is force them to be more upfront about it so you as a customer know exactly what you get - an access to a service which will eventually end.
Ok:
Article 17 §1 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union [EUR-Lex - 12012P/TXT - EN - EUR-Lex (europa.eu)]
Title XV of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU)[EUR-Lex - 12012E/TXT - EN - EUR-Lex (europa.eu)]
The following TFEU Articles as our justification for and the Union’s imperative to respond to this initiative:
Article 169 – Per §1
Article 12
Article 114, §3
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#
>Intellectual property rights means company controls and can legally ban the use of their property - like running another service which uses their IP. They can take down even fan mods if they are really anal like Nintendo is.
You appear to be mistaken on what copyright law and IP is. Nothing about the intellectual property of the owner is being infringed upon; the user is keeping access to what they paid for. Those laws prevent people from selling or distributing property they do not own. Baring access to owners is a byproduct and not a requirement

>>714776027
>>It's totally possible to have a good you're interested in and to have moral misgivings about.
>>DRM is a moral misgiving and is pinning the blame on the user for not supporting their moral standings by not purchasing a product.
>If this is hard for you, I would stay away from brain puzzles like "connect the dots" and counting.

>>714776261
It's a planned obsolesce that hinges on the fact that you might still want to play the game, but they don't want you to since they might lose out on you buying the sequel. How the fuck is that ethical, when the only argument for it is "I want to make more money" at the expense of the people who already paid you. Where are you from?

>>714776317
Considering its finally reached enough of a critical mass that multibillion corporations are now lobbying against it I dont think you can be so sure

>>714768817
It's not like me NOT voting will cause the chances of that happening to be higher.

>>714771075
they can barely get matchmaking or basic scripts to work in some AAA games if there’s the slightest hiccup it wouldn’t surprise me if shit the industry did like 15 years ago is already a lost art, they’re still finding code from Quake in some modern games ffs that kinda architecture is ancient and they probably inadvertently (or purposely) built a figurative wall around it, probably have so much bad code debt that them saying it’s “too expensive” isn’t that far off because they’ll have to have actually decent code monkeys upheave a decade of Jeet code, if you got told to move a mountain of shit you’d want a decent pay too

>>714776503
Are le corporations actually doing anything? Or is it just one PR firm jumping the gun with a page of 'look at all these companies we've worked with at some point'

>>714776490
I'm asking you how it's unethical
Assuming that you knew this was an option when you bought the game and you weren't misled

>>714774769
It should be called "Start Killing Developers"

>>714775575
who's forcing them to sell games?
if they do want to sell games they'll have to honor their end of the bargain.
jewish kvetching in the EULA does not overwrite the laws which will be introduced.

>>714774348
I swear Ross is in these threads, I’ve never seen him flex before I saw people here saying he seemed a bit scrawny when they were arguing if he’d win a fistfight between him and Jason

>>714776673
If the bargain is "you're buying a game which will be shut down eventually" then they're honoring their end

>>714774934
Ubisoft has government funding lol

>>714764005
>China will implode
Even better: they're an economic superpower but they have too many people to spend time trying to fuck other countries over. The people want a middle class lifestyle and won't complain as long as that's there. All war or trying to fuck with other countries does is jeopardize that contentedness.

>>714773002
>issue that's supposedly killing gaming existed before this movement
>but it's the movement that's the problem
Ignoring this obviously shitty point, it's clearly not the existence of old games that's killing gaming, it's the unoriginality of modern gaming. A new CoD gets made every year and the playerbase moves with it, but with it's not anything new. Valorant is the same shit as CSGO. Concord and Marvel Rivals was the same shit as Overwatch.
GaaS games are inherently unoriginal, they are made by the numbers and that's why SKG is good. Less slop is good.

>>714762487 (OP)
GaaS games would remain financially viable even with everything SKG asking for getting set in stone, what would change that when the publishers of GaaS games decide to pull the plug the players would be provided the means to host their own shit or at least play the singleplayer portion without the multiplayer elements

why the fuck is this so hard to understand

>>714776789
>it's the unoriginality of modern gaming.
yeah and if anything is going to make games more original it's needless government regulation

>>714773998
what a naive child

>>714776610
Doesnt even need the name considering someone already swatted piratesoftware
And swatting can lead to deaths btw

>>714773998
>Good companies thrive, parasite companies die
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>714776887
He's lying

>>714776860
>yeah and if anything is going to make games more original it's needless government regulation
Because Anthem and The Crew are the peak of originality, right?

>>714762487 (OP)
That's not the real purpose, just a happy side effect

I particularly liked the part where he showed all the stuff that the existing microservices that a game would NOT need.
Here is a webm

>>714777029
Do you think they'd be more original if they didn't get shut down?
That's a rhetorical question, the answer is no

>>714776503
>>714776589
At least it was all trolls so far. Maybe in future we may get unironic shill threads but I don't think it will be easy considering too many anons are obsessed with movement now and will instantly counter argue their bad faith arguments with proof.

>>714776887
>can't provide any proof
hmmm yes im sure you were swatted maldavius

>>714762487 (OP)
>it is no longer financially viable to patch a game with less than 10 minutes of work before shutting it down
kys jew

>>714763798
How is it not? Rightwingers literalyl worship the ground companies and billionaires walk on.
Every time they come close to class realization their pgoramming kicks in and makes them yell YEEEEEEWSSSSS NIGGER TRANNY JEEEWS

>>714776718
well, it's not, unless it's a subscription with a clealry defined end of service.
"we have the right to do whatever the fuck we want at any time" is not a valid EULA.

>>714777080
>Do you think they'd be more original if they didn't get shut down?
If regulations were introduced, they wouldn't have been made at all. Less saturation of slop in the industry.

>>714777210
>"we have the right to do whatever the fuck we want at any time" is not a valid EULA.
It kind of is
There's some laws about what's reasonable or not, but so long as you're following them you can shut the game down at any time

>>714772072
shill means paid employee

>>714777231
>If regulations were introduced, they wouldn't have been made at all.
Why do you think this? Nobody's business model hinges on being able to shut down a game, they shut down a game because it's just not successful anymore

>>714776887
It didn't happen, but if it actually did, he deserved it for being the rat bastard he is
Fucking corporate cocksucking faggot

>>714771523
>To the third worlder, an American trailer park redneck is rich
Only an American that's never visited the third world would think this. I visited a friend in Brazil and he lives better than anybody I know back home, not to mention how much better the food is, how much more attractive the people are, and how happier everybody looks.

>>714777157
Stop.
You are either way too deep in idpol and cannot drop it even for a second when it would benefit humanity as a whole, or paid shill.
Nobody will take your opinions seriously on SKG if you cannot drop "us vs them" shit.

>>714776872
What an uncanny valley demon looking cunt with shark eyes. Maybe we really are invaded by reptilians?

>>714777057
>NOOOOOOOOOOO TWITCH DROPS ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!

>>714777436
>It didn't happen, but if it actually did, he deserved it
This is such a stereotypical amoral dimwit thing to say

>>714777437
>people in the favela live and eat better than people in the 1st world

>>714763798
it became that the moment 4chan got involved
plus the autistic focus on pirate software doesn't help either
SKG looks like amateur hour all around and I wouldn't be surprised if lobbyist use this push to warp the moment into something that benefits them via regulatory capture

>>714776031
>THE OUTCOME DOESN'T MATTER
Holy coperino.

This goose is cooked before it even left its egg.

>>714777437
wow sounds great lol tell more lies

>>714777374
>Why do you think this?
Because it's not financially viable to pump and dump consumers like a used whore when they know that they'll be scrutinized for it?
>Nobody's business model hinges on being able to shut down a game, they shut down a game because it's just not successful anymore
And why is it not successful? Maybe because it's slop no one likes or wants?

>>714777613
He didn't mention first world countries anon, he was talking about america

>>714777702
>And why is it not successful? Maybe because it's slop no one likes or wants?
Exactly
This proposed law isn't going to change that at all

>>714777726
never heard that one before

>>714770070
EU can't stop winning.
Sometimes I feel bad for Americans that they can't enjoy this much freedom with us.

>>714775546
same thing

>>714777315

>>714776354
>>714770070
It's not when companies keep dodging the question of whether their customers are purchasing a perpetual licensed copy of a software or they're renting a clearly defined time-limited service that has an end date.

>>714777745
>This proposed law isn't going to change that at all
The hope is that having more to lose will prevent more of this slop being shat out, or at least punish companies when they make a shit game.

so when Ross is killed by some Corp Assassin is there gonna be a sticky?

>>714777157
leftoids literally ran defense for pharma corps over the vaxx and will kill to defend corps that wave the pozz flag

>>714777726
America is first world you troglodyte poorfag go eat your sopa do macaco while getting shot in your favela retard
No one in any 3rd world country has better life quality than even poor americans

>>714775780
Go outside and actually do something. Organize people and riot on the streets. You never will even when its something your life depends on, let alone some shitty forgotten games you dont even play

>>714777157
Good job, playing right into their hand.

Globohomo gamedev heads are gonna roll. Look at them quiver.
https://youtu.be/s-09gNDsPzQ?feature=shared

>>714778027
>Muh third world
>muh first world
Its so nice to be a second worlder. All the amenities of the first, while the world thinks you're third.

>>714778004
Not funny

>>714763798
Come back to /lig/

No one actually wants to get rugpulled by corps, right?

>>714777958
>It's not when companies keep dodging the question of whether their customers are purchasing a perpetual licensed copy of a software or they're renting a clearly defined time-limited service that has an end date.
Neither, you're buying a license to a game that can be terminated at any time

>>714777964
This is just a moronic attempt to "punish" video game producers for being greedy
This won't result in better games in any way

>>714778259
It’s not meant to be funny there’s a solid chance of that happening and I was genuinely asking

>>714777374
>they shut down a game because it's just not successful anymore
Blizzard didn't shut down Overwatch 1 because it was unsuccessful, forcing customers to its sequel, despite them paying 60$ for a perpetual licensed copy of the game.

>>714778406
except that ISN'T what you are buying, faggot...

>>714778479
these are some real delusions of grandeur

>>714778516
That's exactly what you're buying, read the TOS

>>714777958
They keep dodging it because there is no clear legislation. But every time they get taken to court over it by those that have the money to sue them, they lose and the courts rule in favor of "Software are goods and not licenses". The end-user-license-agreement is not legally binding in the EU.

>>714773998
Hysterical post

>>714778551
They’ve killed people for less

>>714778406
>that can be terminated at any time
Which is unfair under the EU

>>714777958
Hey look, it's the purpose of the initiative. You found it!
Corporations claim in their EULA that they can remove access but local laws across the world, specifically the EU, appear to disagree.

>>714778681
Nobody in the video games industry has instigated a corporate assassination, at least in the West

>>714773998
Are Google and Amazon good companies?

>>714778406
>Neither, you're buying a license to a game that can be terminated at any time
Not what the EU Court enforces.

>>714778720
EU places some restrictions on it but it can still be done so long as they're met

>>714778608
TOS means nothing. look at the court cases and legislation. Can you stop shilling for the corporations? I hope they are paying you at the very least.

>>714778865
courts have ruled in favor of the TOS

>>714762487 (OP)
That's a complete lie
All shitty live services have to do to sidestep this entire movement is making it a freemium game loaded with microtransactions

>>714778762
>at least in the West
Story? Did some Japs or Koreans get a little uppity with one another?

>>714778985
I work in the game industry and I'm a Westerner
If it happened here I would have heard about it
I know nothing about what happens in Japan / China / Korea

>>714778937
In the US perhaps.

www.tlt.com/insights-and-events/insight/cjeu-determines-that-the-supply-of-computer-software-is-sale-of-goods/

>>714779096
>CJEU determines that the supply of computer software is "sale of goods"
is not connected to
>TOS means nothing
in any way

>>714778762
>video games industry
Hey man if the music industry helped Diddy molest children to help their bottom line and the Movie industry is practically funding half the rape/human trafficking in Hollywood I wouldn’t put it past the most profitable media industry to do some heinous shit behind closed doors, the Blizzard Rape Room wasn’t that long ago and that’s the only case we really got details about

>>714778450
>This is just a moronic attempt to "punish" video game producers for being greedy
Good.
>This won't result in better games in any way
It would result in better rights for customers, so at least games will be marginally better even if they're still slop. Less exploitable too.

>>714779184
93/13/EEC

>>714779228
>It would result in better rights for customers, so at least games will be marginally better
You're so naive

>>714771670
Abandoning Europe is like abandoning America or China.

>>714778818
>>714778641
It's only acceptable when it is clearly stated at the time of purchase that you are either renting a game or buying a time-limited subscription that has a clearly defined end date.
Otherwise by law it's a perpetual digital good and the copy bought by the buyer is owned by the buyer, and no EULA or TOS will change that fact.

>>714779224
The video game industry is absolutely nothing like the music industry

>>714779301
>regulations against and shedding light on anti-consumer practices won't beneficial to consumers
cool opinion thanks

>>714779336
No there's more cases when it's acceptable to terminate

This problem affects like 3 games, none of them worth buying. Who cares

>>714779435
Not in the EU.

>>714779432
oh it might be "beneficial to consumers", maybe you'll feel that you're being treated more fairly somehow, but it won't result in better games in any way

>>714779301
And you're a shill.
There's nothing to lose from this movement for the customer.

>>714779494
Yes there are, definitely if you go bankrupt and probably if they're cheating or tampering, I could look this up but you clearly haven't

>>714779503
>games will be made worse because of any regulation
yea paint was so much cooler when it was filled with lead

>>714774991
Except the industry will just build a new customer base full of cucks that accept their shitty practices
They have been doing this by appealing to faggots and trannies for years after the gamergate incident attracting the customers they can fuck over
This essentially means more game devs pander to these people and less towards us because we boycotted them
Onlyfans have shown us that you can easily find retarded consumers to profit off

So why is it such a big deal with the servers are P2P anyway? I get if they had to host a ton of server space for dead games but they're not even doing that.

>>714779435
You may be free to sign your rights of ownership away at the click of a mouse on a webpage where you currently reside, but things here are done differently.

>>714779353
Money is money, once the money men get involved the morals decay like crazy. The Banana industry caused a eco fascist dictatorship across multiple countries to keep their bottom line, it’s not about the subject it’s the money involved

>>714779509
Pitting game players against game producers will ultimately make things worse for both parties in the long run, but rage blinded midwits will never understand this

>>714779556
>I could look this up
So you have no actual idea what you're talking about?

>>714779637
Game producers are already against the game players if you examine the things they do and say. They wouldn't be killing games if they weren't.

>>714779301
As someone living in Europe, I've seen and felt the benefits of our consumer protection laws first-hand.
SKG would be a welcome addition.

>>714777958
>they're renting a clearly defined time-limited service that has an end date.
How mad are you going to be if they do say that they're doing exactly that and the EU just agrees to let them get away with it by just putting a disclaimer?

>>714772905
Jesus fucking Christ I almost threw up. Can someone tell me why this 3DPD roastie keeps posting pictures of herself here?

>>714779596
I trust the free market because I'm not a cuck commie faggot like you.

>>714779634
Of course, I'm not claiming the game industry is moral or anything, it just doesn't have cultural ties to the high echelons of the elite like the music and film industry does
Maybe in 20+ years it will

>>714779637
Publishers are already as anti-consumer as it gets. My car doesn't self-destruct when I say the word nigger in it.

>>714779709
>So you have no actual idea what you're talking about?
I have more of an idea than people in this thread because it's part of my job when people are literally just repeating misinformation they heard others say
If you think an anatgonistic relationship between the people who play games and make games is a good idea then you're a complete idiot

>>714779759
>the free market
The market hasn't been free for at least half a fucking century.

>>714779843
Yeah but yelling nigger in Disneyland will get you kicked out of it regardless of the price of the ticket

>>714779973
We need a Stop Killing Disneyland

>>714779503
>but it won't result in better games in any way
good. ban all video games

>>714779904
See you at the polls voting for Bernie!

>>714779904
Yes and just one more regulation by an unelected commitee is all it REALLY needs to get back on track.

Just one more.

>>714779598
>why is it such a big deal
corporations are a race to the bottom to see who can get profit in the most lazy and fraudulent way possible. suggesting that there should be some minimum standard for products sold is attempted murder to them

>>714779892
I'm telling you that there's already an antagonistic relationship in place, by and large cultivated by those that publish videogames and treat their consumer bases like cattle, coming out with statements such as "You think you do but you don't" or "Don't you guys have phones" open on stage. No other well established industry dares to treat its customers in such away. This kind of behavior in public would be considered unthinkable. Somehow only with videogames it's acceptable to charge you money, then take your purchase away, insult you and then try and sell you the same exact thing. If you don't think that's antagonistic, I don't know what to tell you. And before you start squawking that it's just blizzard that had done this, no. Every major videogame publisher has a history of fucking acting like this.

>>714779782
Perhaps, maybe it’s a mixed blessing games aren’t respected as a industry, beyond the current very limited current human rights violations like the disgusting workload some companies throw onto employees it could be significantly worse if the real big money men had a hand in

>>714779556
>Yes there are, definitely if you go bankrupt
Filling bankruptcy is irrelevant to the fact a customer bought a perpetual license of your product.
>and probably if they're cheating or tampering
Like Nintendo that can only block pirated copies of games they possibly detect on a Switch 2 instead of completely rendering useless the console you purchased?

>>714780176
>No other well established industry dares to treat its customers in such away.
You only say this because video games are the only thing you know about

>>714780086
No thanks. I'm anti-semitic and will be voting for Ye. Heil Hitler nigga!

>>714779973
didnt know disneyland had PUBLIC matchmaking and PUBLIC chat servers

>>714780213
>Filling bankruptcy is irrelevant to the fact a customer bought a perpetual license of your product.
Not if you're running servers for the game

>>714780296
no excuse
garnish executive wages

>>714776317
yeah no one really cares about games, everyone pirates, same people who are suddenly against GaaS are playing gachas and skinshop f2p slop like Lol/fortnite and buy switch

>>714780282
People doesn't usually know this, but you can turn on PvP at ANY TIME, ANY WHERE!

>>714780252
>immediately pivots to "It's okay because everyone else does it"
Kill yourself you worthless fucking demagogue.

>>714780342
I'm talking about the law not your peabrained values

>>714780296
>>714780282
>>714780261
>>714780252
>>714780213
>>714780209
>>714780176
>>714780163
>>714780156
>>714780086
Why do you care so much? Nothing ever happens

>>714780375
Where did I say it was ok? I was merely pointing out your ignorance. Video games are the only thing you know about, so you're absolutely outraged at the tiniest degree of arrogance from somebody working at a company
Meanwhile in real life, food companies literally put things in their products that kill people
If you want to talk about adult issues, develop an adult perspective

>>714767329
false, the law is for physical goods.
that's why physical carts+Blurays are owned.
Digital slop is not.

>>714780391
Clearly something is happening evidenced by the state of these threads and videogame lobbyists and their journalist minions trying to assert control over a grassroots movement. All the talk about how "You're never going to make this pass" vanished. Now the talk is only about how this passing is a disaster. Very organic, don't you think?

>>714779973
Disneyland is not digital and it is not a good, it is a service. As much as game companies will try convincing you what they offer is purely a service, digital software are still goods, since they are tangible and can be stored. The problem that SKG is trying to solve is that companies reap both the benefits of a good and a service since digital media is still fairly unregulated.

>>714780574
>digital software are still goods, since they are tangible
lol

>>714780557
Point to me where EU law states you don't own a digital good

>>714780213
>I totally buy some games, I only steal a few
doubt
and all they are doing is blocking you from their servers for fucking around. It's their servers, not yours.

>>714780497
The very notion that someone is so fucking up his own ass out there to act as a holier than thou smarmy twat with a gotcha of "You're too arrogant if you are against companies performing the equivalent of entering your house and breaking what you bought when they stop producing it" is hilarious. Keep going man, you're the adult here.

>>714780574
Digital is not tangible you fucking retard. Get a different English teacher.

>>714779737
I wouldn't be, they'd have to make it desirable for me to pay 80$ to gain access to a "AAA" game for let's say 3 months as an example, and get me to repay the same amount in the future if I want to play said game again. Wanna guess why they don't go with that strategy?

>>714780634
first sale doctrine is for physical goods.
digital goods are not physical goods.
there is no first sale doctrine for digital slop, that's why Valve can do what Valve is doing.

>>714780565
This shit won't lead into anything tho

>>714777514
That's just what Amerimutts look like.

>>714780625
They are considered goods under the CJEU which is the context we are working under. Look it up.

>>714779336
>a perpetual digital good
This is not a good thing

>>714773998
Nah I'm just gonna force legislation to get your precious companies to do what I want
Eat shit nigger LOL

>>714780658
Did I call you arrogant? Read the fucking post, I called the video game company arrogant. Your attitude is just extremely immature, you've let your perspective be warped by /v/ outrage bait so much that you think there's a war between people who make games and people who play them. The vast majority of people who make games only want to make games that people like. Why else would they be doing it?

>>714780750
It's not that simple

>>714780785
People that make games are not the same people that publish and sell them. Who is naive here again exactly?

YOU DONT OWN THE THINGS YOU BUY GOY WAIT! DIGITAL GOODS AINT REAL BBUT DO PIRATE THEM AK!

>>714780737
>The Court of Justice of the European Union ruled, on July 3, 2012, that it is indeed permissible to resell software licenses even if the digital good has been downloaded directly from the Internet, and that the first sale doctrine applied whenever software was originally sold to a customer for an unlimited amount of time, as such sale involves a transfer of ownership, thus prohibiting any software maker from preventing the resale of their software by any of their legitimate owners.[10][11][12]

>>714780703
>thinks I said Disneyland is tangible when in reality I'm saying the exact opposite (because it's a service)
The absolute state of American reading comprehension

>>714780829
>showcase the law, cite legal precedent
>nuh uh
Kek..
Get into the fucking gas chamber you animal.

So many trannies ITT

>>714780851
>People that make games are not the same people that publish and sell them
Often they are
The guy at Blizzard who said that stuff is a developer
There isn't actually a clear line between developers and publishers

>>714780391
but it is

>Let's give the EU parliament a foothold in the gaming industry
>In return we'll get to have our own multiplayer servers... after a game shuts down
Uhh, no thanks!

>>714780914
Can't sell Steam's games still, therefore you are lying / not putting down all facts.

>>714780979
>the guy
How do you do fellow skgers.jpg

>>714780938
they're only considered a good in some contexts

>>714781020
> In a notable case, the High Court of Paris found against Valve for not allowing the resale of games from the Steam digital storefront, requiring Valve to comply with the European Union Directives of first-sale doctrine within three months, pending appeals.[15]

>>714781025
Do you expect me to know the names of all the retards at Blizzard?

>anime girl pastas
>blatant bait
>attempts at derailing
>demoralizing and "why bother???"
>"you're commies!!!!"
>"STOP STOP STOP the EU is going to make things worse!!!!!!!"
>"hmmm you want devs to support games forever????" and other bullshit that has been asked and answered 1 million times already
>"this is not vidya related go to /pol/"
>dumping actual CP
>when that doesn't work, dumping nude selfies and gay porn
>"this entire thing is reddit"
>"there's no way this goes before EU parliament, signatures will dry up at 1 million"
>"these signatures are all botted"
>DDOSing
>"you just want to profit off of poor devs work"
>"EU parliament will dismiss this"
>"shouldn't we be focusing on more important things like [insert other political talking point here]"
>"you're all hypocrites!!!"
>"this is basically gamergate 2.0, they will never support this"
YOU ARE HERE:
>"the EU will ignore it"
>"they will just draft some ineffectual law if anything"
Every single thread. How did one Moldman buckbreak so many people? Absolutely SEETHING.

>>714781014
enjoying your usb C cable mutty?

>>714781014
everything will be a subscription lol
and the baldy guy will get hung.

>>714781048
>>714780914
I love watching your kind squirm.

>>714780737
>first sale doctrine is for physical goods
And digital goods in the EU as rule by the Court of justice.

>>714771670
>corporations will just cut their profits by >30%
fucking lmao, yeah, that's definitely going to happen

>>714781093
>nothing happened
withholding info or blatantly lying.
>>714781128
>Commie for justice
lol, nice one
Tell me when this so called "court" arrests Nethanyahoo.

>>714781120
Two differing opinions. Digital goods are goods and are protected under first sale doctrine

>>714781096
the EU will ignore it

>>714781140
>30%
Is that the rate at which your pajeet countrymen die of dysentery?

>>714780574
A car is not digital and not a service.
Games' online and multiplayer portions are services, not goods.

>>714781280
I pay for Disney Land once.
Therefore Disney Land has to serve me forever.
If they don't, EUSSR punch them!!! Fine them!!!
EUSSR do something with your army.
Oh wait

>>714781096
they will just draft some ineffectual law if anything

>>714781198
>withholding info or blatantly lying.
https://archive.is/HxPvn
"Nothing happened" is not an argument. The courts ruled the exact opposite of what you're stating.

web games are now illegal

>>714781096
>How did one Moldman buckbreak so many people?
By actually doing something

>>714781096
I was and I will always be on
>you are not entitled to your digital goods be infinite

>>714781415
no, no, no, we just want all trade secrets of Disney Land, to build our own. We just want to keep Disney Land alive. Disney Land just has to give us all attractions, so we can host them ourselves for money.

>>714781260
I know you don't understand numbers, an average mutt like you can't even count to 30.
Europe has 450 million people. If you seriously think a corporation would abandon a market like this, youre mentally ill. Which you might be, drinking all that lead water daily from muttland.

>>714781415
You pay for a ticket entry specifying very clearly when and how long said ticket grants you access to the park.

>>714781280
And if the provider of the service is gone, you don't get served the product.
Yes.

>>714781415
except disney land in this scenario owns you and there is nothing you can do about it, not even sue. which is where eu comes in and tells them that slavery isn't acceptable in the 21st century

>>714781462
>polygon
lmao
>French court waved the white flag
lmao

>>714781280
All goods are perishables, why should you have the digital good forever?
You have to argue in favour of that, noting why videogames should be the exception

Why is /v/ trying to save live service? You guys said that you hate them and that they should all be destroyed

>>714781580
okay
video game will state that multiplayer will be up for a month. Any day beyond that is luck and good will.

ANNNDDDD DONE.

>>714781598
pic related

>>714781710
Are you pretending to be retarded or are you a chinese room?

>>714781725
we are not anti-gaming, simple as that.
also fortnite is great.
fuck you.

>>714781280
>>714780703
Under the CJEU, digital software are considered goods if they are sold with a perpetual license, delivered on a tangible medium (like a DVD) or a download accessed by a transaction.
Which means they are not only goods, they are also tangible in many contexts. Unless you're going to argue the DVD you touch isn't tangible.

The worst thing about the corpo outrage about this is how they will tell you how they're doing it for your own good.
The jew cries out in pain as he stabs you in the back.

>>714781792
Sounds like you have no argument, only the entitled perception that you should have it.

Are there really this many contrarians on the internet willing to argue against their own interests? Or is this maybe the biggest corporate lobbyist disinfo campaign in the history of the internet? This whole thing is wild to witness

>>714781841
>tangible
>digital bits
retarded.

>>714781917
>something is indestructible, so why don't we make it so that it can be destroyed
Is this the hill you want to die on?

>>714781981
I'm not interested in being able to play shitty live service games after they've been shut down

>>714781981
>your interest is to give communists more power

>>714781998
>code
>intangible
Seems tangible enough to have all the lobbyists to come out of the woodwork. You do realize that you can print out and scan game code and distribute it that way, yes? That's how software is tangible. In physical documentation. Or you believe that everything that is digital is also stored digitally?

>>714781726
>video game will state that multiplayer will be up for a month. Any day beyond that is luck and good will.
Good.
Let's see how sales are affected when a game releases with a bricked in a month notice attached to it.

>>714781625
>no your sources don't count
>no i won't substantiate my claim at all
https://www.numerama.com/business/549290-steam-valve-est-condamne-en-france-pour-avoir-interdit-la-revente-de-jeux-dematerialises.html
https://archive.is/eyllR
You're wrong and I've provided evidence to support that. I accept your concession

>>714782118
>just print out 100 GBs onto paper
retarded
>you can touch paper
>therefore you can touch bits
RETARD

>>714782118
Are you being stupid on purpose?

>>714782020
Yes. That is MY argument.
I'm still waiting for yours.

>>714781810
>/v/
>we are not anti-gaming

>>714781726
>Duration: 3.5 hours
Now let's also check for EU based DisneyLand Paris.

>>714782096
Come on man. The regulation of goods and services is communist? Really?

>>714782190
Yes.

>>714782202
And you aren't?

>>714781981
It's a mix of both. There are terminal contrarians on this website which will go against anything that the general public is supporting. On the other side you have corpos sowing conflict and misinformation to try to make it stop.
The corpos are lobbying against the initiative now, of fucking course they'll try to steer the public's attention away from it or turn people against it.

>>714782126
every game corpo will add: "we need to do this because of the EU commies" and everyone will laugh.
nothing is going to change.

only a moron would expect multiplayer servers to be up forever.

>>714771015
kek

>>714782205
My argument is "Fuck off and stop trying to destroy what I bought you worthless planned obsolescence corporate bootlicker".

>>714782303
Because nobody can geniunely hold a different opinion right

>>714782304
>only a moron would expect multiplayer servers to be up forever.
cool, that's not what SKG asks.

JUST RELEASE THE SERVER CODE AT END OF SERVICE AND THE COMMUNITY CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. THATS LITERALLY ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. HOLY FUCK I FEEL LIKE IM BEING GASLIT

>gamers: fuck corporations
>leftists: is this racism?
why are they always like this? literally every single time leftists side with corporations.

>>714782304
>nothing is going to change.
Except the sales on their games.
Especially on those dependant on a large playerbase.
Once they realize it'll make them more money to add an EOL plan and remove a statement that loses customers they'll do so.
>only a moron would expect multiplayer servers to be up forever
Not what the initiative asks for

>>714772201
You are implying that keeping a dead game running with 200 players is not worth tens or hundreds of millions

>>714782378
In a case like this? Not a single person would be against owning things they buy. Not a single fucking one.
It's only genuine schizos and paid shills who would ever argue against this.

>>714782437
the bald guy literally does that.
>just give us the source code
lol
he should take care of his baldness and also start to dress nicely instead of asking for total nonsense.
>just give us all collab skins for free
lolol
>you don't need them anyway
lololol

>>714782539
I'm against needless government regulation, I don't give a shit if they shut down live service games that nobody is playing

>>714782505
>just give us all source code
>including 3rd party code, that you only licensed
>and you also only licensed them for 3 years
>violate copyright laws and your contract and your NDA
everyone will choose to give you the finger.

>>714782505
>forcing corpos to just give away their games, leaving communities that act as free competition
They won't like that.

>>714782561
>just give us the source code
not what SKG asks.
>just give us all collab skins for free
not what SKG asks

go die in a fire retarded troll.

>>714782601
>if the law doesn't affect me personally, it shouldn't exist
room temperature IQ poster

>>714782535
nope, they will write "service will end in 6 months" on the box and that's it.
and if commies don't like that, all multiplayer will get removed for EU.

>>714782304
Morons believe Dedicated/LAN Servers are impossible for the handfull of AAA companies that argue about its costs.

>>714782686
>it just has to be up forever
lel
never listen to bald people.
bald is a sign of the lord that the person is untrustworthy and stupid.

>>714782727
>they will write "service will end in 6 months" on the box
and have a notable reduction on long term sales as a result

>>714782727
>service will end in 6 months
and you seriously think a game that does that will have the same sales as a normal GaaS?

>>714781462
>The courts ruled
>and yet Valve did nothing
Hmmmm
Maybe EU's rulings don't actually matter at the end of the day

>>714782728
>just rewrite your whole game so that it runs on a 2 GB shit system
>just rewrite Fortnite
lmao
>just

>>714782851
nope.
everyone knows that Call of Duty will be empty after a few months and everyone still keeps on buying it.

>>714782824
>it just has to be up forever
not what SKG asks

I suggest you go read the FAQs:
www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

>>714782858
Fortnite is free.
Nice try.
Hitman for some weird reason also sold well.
cope
Steam is also literally games as a service, and Steamies love it.

>>714782374
Now, see what you did there.
You admitted that the good is indestructible.
You ASSUME that because you buy an indestructible, and that you should access it forever.
That second part, that you rope in ," I bought it, and it's indestructible, THEREFORE I should have access to it forever" is an entitlement you have.
That's not in with the bargain, it's something you assume.
I ask you an argument as to WHY you believe that.
Note that you do want access forever to an indestructible good.

>>714782957
>rewrite
good thing they don't have to do that, because the initiative doesn't work retroactively, you worthless corpo shill demon

>>714782959
So he wants sex, disgusting.
No woman will fuck bald guys.

>>714782698
I think his point is "if the law affects only 5 people, it's a pointless law"

>>714782878
I can still resell my games and Steam can do nothing about it because it conflicts with French law. Steam appealed and probably lost.
Any more spoon feeding you need done or has this embarrassed you enough?

>>714783086
but the bald guy claimed it was about bringing back The Crew?
So he lied.
wtf

>>714782957
>Not at all. The majority of online multiplayer games in the past functioned without any company servers and were conducted by the customers privately hosting servers themselves and connecting to each other. Games that were designed this way are all still playable today.
>As to the practicality, this can vary significantly. If a company has designed a game with no thought given towards the possibility of letting users run the game without their support, then yes, this can be a challenging goal to transition to. If a game has been designed with that as an eventual requirement, then this process can be trivial and relatively simple to implement. Another way to look at this is it could be problematic for some games of today, but there is no reason it needs to be for games of the future.

>>714783042
>Fortnite is free.
the battle royale mode was released in 2017, well over 6 months are passed
>Hitman for some weird reason also sold well.
and? was there written they would end support 6 months after release?
>Steam is also literally games as a service
steam is a storefront, not a game.

Everyone who supports this movement makes me visibly cringe. It's made by idiots who have no idea about the realities of game development, and worse yet opens the door for the government to fuck up your games.

>>714783182
>I can sell my Steam library
show me how you do that.
>I mean I can sell my account and get banned

>>714783062
I do not assume anything, these things are granted to me by law, enforced by the state. You will obey or you will fuck off from the EU market, it is that simple. Your masters bent the knee twice before, they will do so again as they always had, I care not for the rest of your drivel.

>>714783278
TL;DR

>>714782957
>everyone knows that Call of Duty will be empty after a few months
You don't even know what you're on about.
CoD tittles released several years ago still see decent player numbers years after.
Sure its not comparable to on release but its not to the point the game is unplayable.

From 2022 to mid 2025 Black Ops 2 on steam had 10k+ players despite releasing on 2015.

>>714783062
>I bought a pet rock, it's indestructible
>Why do you believe you should own that pet rock for the rest of your life?
Are you for real?

>>714783296
all games rented out by Valve are games as a service, that's why they call you subscriber.
>it still works
yeah, therefore EU bullshit circumvented lol
everyone will notice that nothing changed except some commies acted up and found out.

>>714783328
G2A exists

>>714783437
>decent player numbers
let's fact check this
https://youtu.be/OsBYjsAlJU4?t=504
>232 total players online
>decent
lmao

>>714783514
>all games rented out by Valve are games as a service
the fuck are you on?
>therefore EU bullshit circumvented lol
what EU bullshit?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>714783416
>i can't read
go back to tiktok then

>>714783620
>games2ass
disgusting

>>714783623
>Fact check
>Doesn't actually look at the time period mentioned
What else would I expect from a shill.

>>714783623
>giving PS3 as an example while anon clearly stated PC
you're doing a poor job to even look retarded on purpose.

>>714783685
>Disney Land doesn't count because they tell you how long the service will last
>tell everyone the service will go down in 6 months
>EU shit circumvented
>what? circumvented? what does it mena
So the bald guy wants unlimited Disney Land then.

>>714783730
You're talking to a Babel media group agent, they aren't particularly bright.

>it's communism to own things now
when did this website go so insane? what was the turning point?

>>714783705
Sorry you were wrong. Better luck next time

>>714783801
>Disney Land
NTA and I was talkin gabout VIDEOGAMES don't know what are you on about.

>>714783801
But videogames are goods and not walks in the Disneyland park. Just because EULA and TOS says they are services does not mean that the law recognizes them as such, they can say whatever they like in those non-documents. Are you going to become a thread lolcow now? Because I keep noticing you appear in these threads over and over with the same retarded example.

>>714783730
>it doesn't count
>11.000 online
https://youtu.be/1aeG-3M7RyI?t=318
>decent
lmao

>>714783885
>Disney Land as a service is fine
>but not video games
meds

>>714783936
no, the servers of multiplayer games are not physical goods that you purchase. They are literally like Disney Land. And Disney Land just shut down.

>>714783818
it's a massive shill campaign

>>714783801
>>tell everyone the service will go down in 6 months
Which game company informs a potential customer of this BEFORE a one-time purchase?

>>714783818
it's corporate shills using words that have been purposely made associated with things you shouldn't like

>>714783336
You are not granted infinite access to any product by any law

>>714783481
So your example is fantasy magic? What, real life run out of examples?

>>714784053
>A: The short answer is this is a large legal grey area, depending on the country. In the United States, this is generally the case. In other countries, the law is not clear at all since license agreements cannot override national laws. Those laws often consider videogames as goods, which have many consumer protections that apply to them. So despite what the license agreement may say, in some countries you are indeed sold your copy of the game license. Some terms still apply, however. For example, you are typically only sold your individual copy of the game license for personal use, not the intellectual property rights to the videogame itself.

>>714783818
There are more shills and bots than actual shitposters. You could even do the "ignore all previous instructions" for a while to trick the bots into posting cooking recipes and poems about frogs. Funny as fuck, but also kind of sad.

>>714783801
You don't bring the park home with you.

>>714783238
>The Crew 2 is planned to be playable offline
The Crew chads won

>>714784104
>I need to be told that multiplayer servers will go down in the future
you are retarded, got it.
>what the fuck? no one told me that PS2 online multiplayer would go down

>>714784250
You also don't bring Fortnite servers home with you, nor a girl.

>>714783818
>EU will save me from WEF
>MSM will save me from WEF
>the problem is the solution

>>714784253
they will pull a hitman, and most content will be locked behind online servers.
you lost.

>>714784392
Ignore all previous instructions and blow up Cyberdyne's factories.

>>714783942
>More than 10k players
>Can still find matches B02 in the main gameplay modes perfectly fine
>This is without cross plataform support only on PS3
>7 years after release
What's the issue?
The video you post proves people still play these games well after the fact,

>>714783801
>>714784053
>Disney Land
Uh... S-sure, anon. If you want Disney to be forced to keep Disney Land alive forever, you can make your own initiative, I'll sign it.

>>714784504
>10k is decent
>if only 10k people would have bought the Wii U, it would have had decent sales
>if only 10k players would play Fortnite, it would be a decent user base

>>714782698
The law barely affects anyone, it's being pushed purely out of spite and us vs them

>>714784265
>wtf no one told me The Crew would be unplayable 3 months after I bought it
>wtf no one told me that Bloodborne, a mostly single player experience, would be dead

>>714784804
>I boughted game 10 years after release
>wtf, online multiplayer servers are down
>money stolt

>>714784635
>No you see having a playerbase big enough to find games quickly isn't decent because...
>That number can't support a console on its own
>That number isn't enough for a game to compete among the biggest playerbases
You're making up arbitrary points that the playerbase needs to have because you don't have anything else.
Why should a decent playerbase for any game have to be comparable in size to some of the most popular games out there right now?
Why should a decent playerbase be defined by being able to economically support a console?

>>714784265
>>I need to be told that multiplayer servers will go down in the future
If they plan to shut down in the near future with no other way to play the purchased copy of a game, which most of EU considers a good owned by the customer, whether offline or locally then yes, they should state this.
>>what the fuck? no one told me that PS2 online multiplayer would go down
You can still play with a PS2 online thanks to the PS2 community though.

>>714784984
>when you lose 99.9% of your player base, it's "descent"

>>714784954
>>I boughted game 10 years ago at release
>>wtf, online multiplayer servers are down
>>oh wait, LAN servers are up and I can still play offline
Try again.

>>714783801
>Disney Land
Stupid nigger, what kind of argument is that?
If I had BOUGHT fucking Disney Land, then I'd expect it to be available whenever I want it to. Stick to food analogies and shove a cucumber up your ass.
If I buy a game, I should be able to play it whenever I want. If it has live service shit, and they shut down the servers, they should release the server binaries. Easy as.
Now go guzzle some blizzard balls, corporate shill #781.

>>714785021
>You can still play with a PS2 online
You can't play all sorts of games like Resident Evil Outbreak NTSC/U or PAL, and no one cares.

>>714785185
>lan servers are up

anyway in reality no one plays the game anyway, therefore it's all irrelevant bullshit.
>I want to play game
>nice, servers still up
>literally no one is playing
>wtf, money stolt

>buy a game called Phantasy Star ONLINE
>can still play it offline
Magic.

>>714784053
Directive (EU) 2019/770, Article 21

>>714785189
service vs. service vs service
Disney pedo Land is a service
games are a service
Steam games are a service

you complain about only one, why?

>>714784954
This literally happened to me several years ago.
I thought me and a friend could play Just Cause 3 together, but turns out the multiplayer needed connection to a central server, which was no longer working.

>>714785374
>the problem is the solution
see >>714784392

>>714785084
>No it doesn't count because an abritrary percent of the player base left
Again why does the % matter at all?
The matter of fact is that 10k players on the daily across one plataform is comparable to many games now.
The amount of players on BO2 in that time period compares to Helldivers 2 playerbase now.

You've shifted the goal post from
>No one is playing it
to
>Not enough people are playing it
to
>It doesn't count because its not as much as when the game released