I want to play an SRPG. Recommend me a good SRPG before I play pgic related again...

>>714768637 (OP)
>before I play pic related again...
you better be replaying the Saturn version and not one of the Squenix abortions

Xpiratez
Jagged alliance 2
Tactics ogre one vision

>>714768874
>>714768931
My nostalgia googles aren't big enough for that I am sorry.

>>714768637 (OP)
Soul Nomad

>>714769374
Does it have a lot of number porn disgaea has? I only played disgaea 1 and 2 on PSP and skipped everything after that because of the number porn.

Fae tactics or shining force 2

Triangle Strategy is your best option.

Seconding Soul Nomad.
>>714769630
Yes it has Disgaea's lv.9999 level cap and the main story lets you get big numbers too. Actually every single Nippon Ichi software SRPG has number porn, no idea why you stopped if that's what you're into.

Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden

>>714768637 (OP)
Stella Deus

>>714772572
I dislike number porn. It is a shame cause the screens and gameplay for soul nomad looked cool.

I've been gooning to this one lately

>>714768637 (OP)
growlanser 4

>>714768931
>Jagged alliance 2
>Tactics ogre one vision
I like fft as well, not the upcoming demake though. In all honesty, it's only the games you listed plus fft and mods for them. All other srpg are bad af.

>>714768637 (OP)
Onimusha Tactics
It's KINO

>>714775025
It's an fft clone, awesome. Didn't know it's a thing.
Itsnt there a cowboy game, desperados? It's srpg, too?
>>714768637 (OP)

>>714768637 (OP)
Jean darc is a srpg

>>714768637 (OP)

>>714774750
Pretty good one, fun cheese tactic you can do with some of the characters unique skills, a bit basic overall but still fun.

>>714768637 (OP)
Super Robot Wars A Portable
Rebalance mod is for pussies. Vanilla or bust.

>>714768637 (OP)
Vandal Hearts 1 and 2
Arc the Lad 2 (1 is like 2 hours long and 3 wasn't as good as 2)
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Shining Force 1 and 2

>>714768637 (OP)
Best in the bizz.

>>714777792
>square Enix killed the sequal to make nft games
I'm still mad

>>714777792
I don't know why i didn't like that one. I like at least an illusion of customization for characters.

>>714768637 (OP)
Sex rpg?

>>714777792
lmao that thing is trash at best

>>714768637 (OP)
Banner of the maid is this fun turn based tactics RPG set in revolutionary france where you play as pauline bonaparte (sister of napoleon bonapatre) and there are a bunch of factions to appeal to and units to customize and the characters are pretty and the missions are pretty dynamic. Also you are the reincarnation of d'arc maid of orleans. Fun historical romp with kind of repetitive gameplay but really cool maps and scenarios.
>>714771801
seconding fae tactics. its a bit hard but you will have fun the whole way through OP.
>>714776231
yeah this one

>>714776030
>>714776231
The same game?

>>714778397
Strategy, eslkun

>>714768637 (OP)
Unicorn Overlord.

>>714780153
No

>>714774750
>AI art
>Horrifically bad AI Engrish
No thanks

>>714778208
I didn't like it because you had to fight every enemy unit 4v1 to actually kill them. It's like you recruited your army from the Make A Wish Foundation children's ward.

>>714781802
Srpg seem to like that time period or rather that region.

>>714768637 (OP)
go play hoshigami

>>714768637 (OP)
Play Unicorn Overlord. It's amazing

>>714776231
This too, heavily recommended. The story unfortunately falls apart a bit at the end, but the mechanics and maps are extremely good, probably close to the best of any SRPG around.

>>714775953
Wild Arms XF?

How about Girls' Frontline 2?

Good story, good characters, fairly basic maps but really in depth character building and unit synergies. There's even a roguelike style mode active for the next 6months so you can try out any of the characters in any combination with crazy buffs and wild synergies

>>714782456
>auto battler
Kek, no. It's like watching someone else play with your gf.

>>714782809
Desperados 1-3, has decent reviews, so I added it on my list. Played ja2 (fantastic) and ja3 (okish, somewhat true to source)

>>714768637 (OP)
FFT with one of the big mods, The Lion War is pretty damn good for PSX

>>714783486
>auto battler
Yes and no. You still control units on the map and auto battlers generally don't have conditional customization (that you can alter before every fight) this deep.

>>714783713
Psx with mods?

>>714783728
I tried the demo, I would play it, if the screen wouldn't constantly flick from one team to another. Mechanics and itemization are decent.

>>714783896
yeah, pretty straightforward. just download a PSX FFT iso and apply the patch using ppf-o-matic.
You can find the mod here:
https://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=12767.0

ogre batle 64

>>714768637 (OP)
>>714777792
Hard, hard anti recommend for this one, I was severely let down.

Speed based turns instead of faction based, so your units are punching bags 90% of the times. And, because you're always outnumbered at least 3:1, it's basically never your turn. You make one action then put the controller down for another 5mins as the CPU slowly, slowly, slowly takes 6 or more turns. Even holding fast-forward every battle takes for fucking ever and just isn't fun to play.

There's zero, ZERO (0) progression either in gameplay or narrative. The game abstracts levels out to the point that you can never, ever get ahead of the curve. It's impossible to be more powerful than intended, so you're only ever weaker than intended and need to level up to the curve. Levels are only ever negative they never work in your favour, at best you can work yourself up to parity before the next map puts you at a defecit again. The narrative is exactly the same, the first map Serenoa and 2 of his friends rout a group of rapist kidnapping bandits. Not one single bandit is killed, they all just walk away. Much, much later, while leading an army, you fight those exact same bandits again. But now they're lv30, just like you, and they're a huge threat that takes serious effort to beat. The bandits you routed at lv1 stand evenly against your elite fighting army near the end of the game. You haven't gotten any stronger, you've only gotten weaker, comparatively.

If you're wondering how you can possibly defeat a whole band of bandits twice and not have a single one of them die, that's because of the strangest, most insane writing choice I have ever seen.

>In Triangle Strategy's world, nonconsensual killing is impossible

You can ONLY kill someone if they allow themselves to die. You can't otherwise kill someone, ever. And as with everything else, this only ever works against you, never in your favour.

>>714768637 (OP)
>>714777792
>>714784205
>You stay with a Baron
>You realise he's about to betray you and sell you out to your enemy
>You spring his trap and turn it against him
>After defeating his forces, you corner him, your entrie army surrounding him blades pointed at his throat
>As is custom, you tell him it's over, time for him to die
>He goes against custom and refuses. He has decided not to die.
>You cannot do anything about it, because you can't kill someone without their consent
>He literally stands up, pushs your swords aside and walks away
>Your entire army can do nothing but watch dumbfounded, trying to figure out how that happened
>(This will keep happening throughout the plot, with only some of the villains letting themselves be killed)

And of course, every single ending is a knife twist bad ending to force you to do the Golden Route. Be prepared for extremely contrived reasons why you randomly get a bad ending.

Rondo of Swords.

>>714783017
OP here. Sorry i didn't explicitly specify but i meant videogame SRPG.

>>714784205
skill issue

>>714783728
>this deep
They weren't half as deep as i needed them to be and limited slots wasn't nice... But i did like it a lot otherwise. Wish they would dlc and maybe revalance so you can really pick the order of continents.

Onimusha Tactics

>>714782456
>Unicorn Overlord
I wish. Unfortunaltely vanillaware and their pc retardation make that not possible.

>>714784330
This is a staple of jrpgs and I hate it. Then you get faggots pushing back on any subversion of this gay trope by calling a game edgy if it actually lets you kill people who deserve it.

>>714784521
Yeah. Unicorn Overlord was an exceptional proof of concept but I feel it really needed a sequel to iron out the kinks and shortcomings of the original that were, presumably, not foreseen by the devs.
Sort of like how Odin Sphere was great but limited and then the Luftwaffle edition basically perfected it.

More freedom to get units in whatever order you wanted (or at least go to whichever continent you wanted); more difficult maps/fights; the optional removal of the forecast or making the forecast only accurate assuming all attacks hit; and a bit more variation in story based on which characters you successfully recruited. OH and also giving the player real reasons to NOT recruit everyone. Make it so that if you recruit character A then later down the line character B (who had their whole family killed by A) refuses to join you or something.

It's sad that Vanillaware never does sequels because I really REALLY would like to see a just slightly better version of UO and would consider it an easy game of the decade.

>>714768637 (OP)
Ogre Battle/Ogre Battle 64, everything else is grid slop.

>>714785056
>It's sad that Vanillaware never does sequels
They do rereleases frequently enough though...

>80% of recommendations itt are ps2/ ds and older
What does this mean for the genre?

>>714785206
That it attracts "new thing bad, old thing good" boomers.

>>714784205
>>714784330
I should also mention that the Golden Ending itself isn't satisfying in the least. It's lazy as shit. It is quite literally just the Benedict ending with the dumb BAD END twist removed.

You spend most of the game with your faction and character having lost everything because of the invasion by the fascist Empire retards. Most of which time you're supported by the church. But then 2/3 endings and the Golden Ending are about you then switching sides, joining up with the people who were pillaging your kingdom mere weeks ago, and betraying the Church, because the baseline assumption is that in a JRPG/SRPG you're gonna be fighting the Church at the end.

>>714784425
I got all 4 endings. The issue was not lack of skill it was lack of fun.

>>714786317
To be fair, the Church really is rotten to the core and in the grand scheme of things definitely even worse than the Empire.

>>714785206
That all japanese development is on gatcha slop

>>714784048
Right, emulated. I thought... I had the exotic thought that 3rd party psx were available with Internet connection aso. That's obviously wishful thinking. The site is awesome and has quite a few great mods.
>>714774954
It's as I said, mods and classics, anything else sucks.

>>714768637 (OP)
Shining Force series
if you're only going to play one, make it SF2

Super Robot Wars 2, 3, EX, Gaiden: Lord of Elemental
these are the hard ones, from the Winkysoft era.
SRWA Portable is also known for its challenge

>>714787214
>3rd party psx
Psx had 1mb of ram...

>>714787881
>Shining Force
What if my eyes can't see in 8 bits?

>>714768637 (OP)
fire emblem
if good xcom is too vintage for you, nu xcom is also good

>>714768637 (OP)
What are you looking for in a SRPG?
Do you want it to be like FFT/TO or more FE/Shining?
Or maybe something different?

>>714792098
I like both actually.

>>714792098
I want XCOM without the strategic layer of managing the organization with named characters I will actually care about.

>>714792310
That's a tough one...

>>714792439
I know Troubleshooters is supposed to be kinda like that, but also it's hundreds of hours of Korean grindan autism.

>>714784205
>fast-forward
Bad design

>>714788980
I knew it's not much, but 1 MB is basically nothing. There are psx on amazon, aren't they fake, like 3rd party?

>>714792310
Reverse Collapse is the closest thing I can think of.
Though it almost looks like one of those gacha games, don't let it fool you, the game is brutal and amazing.

>>714792592
>Troubleshooters
Op here was thinking about that one a few years back but it sounded like they would add more stuff. Is it finished finished?

>>714792867
I got turned off by the game supposedly forcing you to use items and everything like nothing is optional.

>>714771894
Triangle Strategy is so fucking good. Loved the golden path. Be ready for VN's worth of story and dialogue though. Hours. Damn I may pick it up to 100% it, missing just a handful.

>>714792886
>Is it finished finished?
I think they're making a sequel now, so... Probably?
>>714792867
I don't like how strict this one is, some maps felt like they required a predetermined solution. It's also too long for its own good as well.

>>714777792
This is a visual novel masquerading as a tactical RPG. They focused hard on the story, smeared a vaseline filter over everything graphically, and the gameplay suffered. Very little customization or anything of real interest to modify your characters. 2 hours of story for 30 minutes of gameplay, not worth it.

>>714784718
>PC retardation
It runs just fine on PC, skill issue, stop being a console cuck. And go back to plebbit.

>>714793435
>Very little customization or anything of real interest to modify your characters.
Good. The characters all have a clearly defined role and you build your team based on the map and their capabilities. You have other games for build autism. This is why I hate modern FE by the way.

>>714768637 (OP)
Together in battle is really good of you can get past the graphics

>>714771801
>Fae tactics
Based, that game is a gem

>>714793435
>This is a visual novel masquerading as a tactical RPG.
Hold my beer.

Btw i really love it. Even with disgusting trannylation it feels like 2010.

>>714792867
Seconding this. Amazing game even if the stealth maps suck ass, since most of the time they have only one correct route through them. Normal combat maps and puzzle maps are very fun though.

>not a single person sugged fire emblem fates conquest
what is all this boomer dogshit??

>>714793435
>This is a visual novel masquerading as a tactical RPG.
So?

>>714768637 (OP)
Very simple, yet fun to play on the go.
Dont expect FFT, Tactics Ogre or Triangle Strategy level of gameplay and game design.

>>714792996
If you play on normal there's a lot more leeway to not use items if you play well, it's the hard mode that will crush your nuts in the early/mid game if you try to hoard.

>>714768637 (OP)
I will always shill Dream Tactics. Relatively short game, lots of character building, no filler.

>>714792996
You can mass produce most items, there's no reason to hoard anything. You have to go all out to win most of the time, especially early on when your characters have weaker skills and gear.

>>714798423
Have you really played this? How are they earning money? They have like 1000 sales on steam and constantly release the same damn game and have a small cult following. The even release this game in all consoles.

Those Who Rule is nice despite AI sloppa visuals (mark of low quality usually)

>>714768637 (OP)
Play Brigandine and then play the prequel (use the patched grand edition) once you're done with it

>>714801941
Hahaha yes, I have. I also bought the physical game on the Switch.

>>714802479
That a remaster or remake?

I love grid based strategy games and I love RPGs but I feel like the SRPG as a genre has never really reached its true potential. You either have a very RPG-sided one where the strategic elements are largely superfluous, or a Strategy-sided one where the RPG elements just serve to insert annoying grinding and luck based elements. Maybe the 2 are just fundamentally incompatible.

>>714802750
See, the cult following. While I acknowledge their work, I'd be happier if these games were actually great. They do improve, but so very little with each entry.

>>714802890
Grand edition was a japan only ps1 rerelease of forsena that added extra content
Runersia is a sequel that was made years later and is generally a better balanced game

>>714803096
I agree with you, but I think its an great game for playing when you dont have much time and is not so much into a heavy themed story or convoluted gameplay, specially for the Switch. Also, its graphics are like “comfort food” for 16 bit era gamers like me.

>>714792996
>game is designed in a way that using items is incentivized and rewarded
Only a retard would dislike this.

-Hoshigami DS if you hate yourself
-Devil Survivor 1 and 2 remakes are the best in the genre, there, I said it. BIG TITS, big content, big SMT demon roster, big routes, big endings.
-Saiyuki: Journey West on PS1 and you have to sing the theme song every time you boot the game or you're a faggot
-Vanguard Bandits, just don't suck ass
-Phantom Brave
-Berwick Saga/Vestaria Saga

>>714789778
no worries, it's 16-bit. With blast processing. Because Sega does what Nintendon't

>>714787881
>make it SF2
3 is better and all three parts are translated now

>>714804234
true but its also a huge time investment and he'd also have to play Shining The Holy Ark for full context

>>714804143
>BIG TITS

>>714787881
Old SRW games aren't hard. They're just monotonous.
Them being hard is a dumb old meme the same way Fire Emblem 4 was once one of the hardest games in the genre: massive shitters played them, cried, and most people started parroting that instead of playing them.

>>714802992
>Strategy-sided one where the RPG
Name one
>never reached full potential
Obviously, there are like 5 decent srpg.

>>714803683
>comfort food
They are, and this series got me into game development. I started because they are successful with a basic af product. Do they pour passion into their projects? Sure. Could they risk sometimes a little more spice? Absolutely.

>>714782456
>Play Unicorn Overlord. It's amazing
More like play to be disappointed
Game is on asy and there is practically no meaningful choices in story, nor different story path, nor game plus. Most missions are briandead easy even on hardest difficulty. Only saving grace is art and girls.
But honestly as a game it's disappointing. Still, emulation is free so whatever.

>>714792310
X com chimera squad but you play as goobohomo zogbots
Troubleshooter but it's good game

>>714768637 (OP)
disgaea 2

TO, flaws and all, is pretty much the peak of the genre. Going forward you're going to keep running into "damn this is almost great but why did they throw in all that dumb bullshit" just with fewer highs

>>714802479
Psx was better. Really like the basic system of this game and wish there were more of it.

>>714806956
Reborn was step in good direction from psp bloat but not enough. And of course nips could walk straight and fumbled it anyway.

>>714776548
>Vandal Hearts
Fuck yeah

>>714807181
It was one step forward, two steps back. I'd rather have nonsense like equipment levels instead of cards and level caps.

Thoughts on Symphony of War?
Im playing it right now and im enjoying it, although after the earlier chapters it has become too easy.

>>714807691
imperfect but fun. are you playing with permadeath for mooks?

>>714807441
>instead of cards and level caps
I get the cards because RNG is stupid and goes against map design most of the time (though I like how it forces you to move), but level caps are good. Grinding willy-nilly to overpower the enemy is gay.

>>714804143
man I tried to enjoy Berwick & Vestaria but they have way too many fucking RNG triggered skills
can't chump block when my character double crit attacks with a random attack boost

>>714807691
Great game, although most of the difficulty is front loaded and even with the DLC adding a sorta T4 class you're at end game squads by the mid game, but still very unique and worth playing.

>>714807795
are you playing with permadeath for mooks?
Nah, i was too much of a pussy for it. I haven't played any other similar games besides Tactics Ogre, which was excellent.

After this i am eyeing Triangle Strategy.

>>714807691
I know it doesn't matter for the gameplay (that is decent) at all, but man I hate the art in this game. It's so bad.

>>714802992
It is a pretty broad reaching genre that accomplished really different things
Ones that embrace the RPG roots, ones that embrace the older war game roots, ones that would probably automate everything if it could
At the very least there's been plenty of ones still trying to innovate in spite of all the deluge of indie slop.
Won't say The Hundred Line and Phantom Brave were amazing, but definitely refreshing

>>714792098
>>714776548
>Shining
I remember playing years ago and hating the fact you can't see who goes next. Is that true for all the games?
Vandal has been on the list for a while

>>714806956
only thing that is disappointing about this game to me is the spritework. FFT is so much better sprite-wise in every way

>>714808123
its a very different game with mook permadeath on. i strongly recommend it, especially if you are finding the game too easy with it off.
i was not much of a fan of triangle strategy. lots and lots and lots of words that amount to very little. normal difficulty was too easy, hard required grinding. it was worth playing once but no more.

Any thoughts on this? I'd say it's pretty good though the writing is pretty marvel slop, Some of the turn requirements on the highest difficulty can be really ball busting but it's a nice feeling having to "master" a chapter

>>714809183
>hard required grinding
It really didn't, on the first playthrough anyway. And then hard NG+ hits you like an isekai truck.

>>714809403
It really does suck how the scaling always makes you feel weaker than whatever level you're supposed to be at.

>>714809403
i played hard until the defense of the gingers against hyzant. my characters died in 2 or 3 spells

>>714809541
It made the missions feel actually challenging though. Like you really had to think them through. I still remember both general Avlora fights and the mine with bombs very vividly because of this.

>>714807843
Level caps are dumb because there are far, FAR superior ways to implement it rather than an arbitrary "no you can't get any stronger than this" limit. It's especially bad in Reborn because they fucked it up in Chapter 4 so on replays you end up weaker than you were initially.

>>714777792
I loved this game, need to replay it soon. The threads for this game on /v/ were great for the two months after it launched. I was surprised to see everyone mentioning TS in a negative light when FFT remastered was announced

>>714807954
Besides the fact that it kept crashing on me Vesteria being literally made in SRPG maker killed it for me

>>714792867
I would play this if I wasn't so invested into GFL2.

By all accounts it seems amazing. But its very nature is basically all Spoilers for GFL and GFL2. It's crazy. I've already had it spoiled that DEFY and William are in it.

>>714810939
>>714807954
Kaga stuff ain't for everyone, I will be the first to admit.

>>714811220
DEFY isn't in it, you were lied to. The only girls frontline cameos are some literal whos that show up in 2 missions, and Willy is actually a cameo from the original codename bakery to girls frontline, not the other way around.

>>714768637 (OP)
stella glow. anime harem adventures

>>714768637 (OP)
Reverse Collapse

>>714806778
The only good thing Chimera Squad did good was initiative instead of I-go-you-go, and canon snake brothels.

>>714768637 (OP)
Does it have to be JRPGs? if not...

Wartales
Battle Brothers
King Arthur Knight's Tale
Expeditions Rome
Troubleshooter
Horizon's Gate
Banner Saga
Battletech

>>714807691
Good system but meh characters and retarded story. If you can ignore it's faults then it's quite fun.
>>714807441
Level caps were actually good but honestly they should just get rid of levels altogether. Leveling in reborn add nothing, you can't really build up characters like in OG version anyway.
Cards, yeah that was silly attempt to force more dynamics on the battlefield.
>>714810334
They fucked more than that. The lack of QA in this game is fucking enraging. Dumb nip cunts should get firebombed, it's like they only understand that.

>>714809327
It's just me or composition of this pic screen "I have no idea what I am doing" and visual noise?

>>714815538
Maybe only BB is dead cent game. Rest is meh or worse.

>>714812793
>3ds exclusive
Pain

>>714815842
Not suprised, BBfags always say it's the only good game.

>>714815842
Battletech is the best game from that list. Assuming you mod it to have 4 times the content of course.

>>714816853
Even with mods it's not good. If I want my battlemech urges scratched I just play mw4merc or mech commander 1.
>>714816347
I said maybe. It has it's faults.

>>714768637 (OP)
I enjoyed lost eilodons
probably the only one who played it lol.
it's just korean fire emblem.

I made a couple threads back in the day but an anon said the characters looked straight from a weg and I got hurt l-lol...

I'd put Triangle Strategy before other TRPGs like any version of Tactics Ogre, FFT, most Western TRPGs like Jagged Alliance, Wasteland, etc. Below Disgaea

>>714817291
looks like modded mountain blade to me

>>714817291
normal face proportions and normal body proportions; looks 100% nothing like a WEG. WEGtards are blind and mentally ill so what else do you expect from them?

>>714817291
I just looked it on steam and the graphics don't sit with me well.

>>714817157
Bta mod keeps getting updated for 6 years now. The game is unrecognizable at this point. Provided you don't hate the core gameplay of it it is the best game for battletech with that mod.

>>714818142
Well, I do deeply dislike the core gameplay tho.

>>714768637 (OP)
Jagged Alliance 2. Stop playing ween shit.

>>714807441
>equipment levels
Can be soul (unlike blue cards)

>>714817291
Is this units Vs unit or single troops?

>>714818608
The combination of equipment and job level replacing character level is a match made in hell.

>>714817889
>>714817960
>>714817560
I personally thought the models looked nice, the guys looked though and the girls cute, but they ended changing the portraits anyway.

>>714818637
It's unit vs unit

>>714819178
vgh forgot the pic

>>714819328
new ones look a lot better desu

>>714797946
Uta's gameplay is unironically pretty good, it's just not balanced at all and too easy other than the dream stages. They kept a good job keeping it relatively engaging with the animations and timed hits/counters though, and the final boss is phenomenal and would be way less impactful if it wasn't a videogame boss

Pizza cutters is peak

Does anyone have a link to the translated premium sound edition?

>>714808539
the GBA version of SF1 at least lets you see who's next in a submenu

>>714817291
>the characters looked straight from a weg
It kinda is
Like it's a weird middle ground between being realistic looking soldier but also fantasy anime characters
I feel like leaning towards one side a bit more would help

>>714768637 (OP)
I think it's neat

>>714823596
one of the new games that don't emulate well still. Tragic, because playing it at native res is ASS

>>714824049
few, not new*

>>714823596
Way, WAY too slow.
>>714824049
Really? What kind of issues does it have?

>>714824398
any scaling not native has lines all over it so you
>have to use OG scaling (rough on big monitors, 480i)
>use software mode
PCSX2 had a 'hack' when you could have it go to software mode for FMVs and then swap back which fixes it, but they removed it for some reason.
I'm still looking into fixes because I want to play it at upscaled glory. It's funny that you brought it up because I was looking at it this weekend in between catching up on Dr. Stone episodes.
https://wiki.pcsx2.net/Ring_of_Red

>>714824398
>Way, WAY too slow.
I do think this is a valid criticism, but only Legend of Dragoon has to suffer it though - for everything else, if you emulate you can just button a 1.5 or 2x toggle on a button for battle animations.
It's good on a button because say you're playing Legend of Legaia; you want normal speed to enter combos, but fast speed for the animations when you have 3 party members doing 30 second animations

>>714775953
>cowboy game
Wasteland 2 and 3 technically count if you don't mind playing through post apocalyptic crpgs, Desperados is a stealth tactics series so its not about any sort of direct combat

>>714797445
I don't think the average anon can handle it and I mean that unironically.

>>714827984
you're right, most people cannot handle one of the worst stories ever put to the digital medium

>>714828275
Who cares about story? No JRPGs have good stories.

>>714828343
these are srpgs not jrpgs
conquests problem is more writing than story anyway

>>714828395
I've never really gotten what people mean by this
>It's not a rectangle, it's a square!
It's a Japanese RPG, SRPG is the sub-genre.

>>714828523
srpgs are not nip only
jrpg doesnt not refer to every rpg ever made by nips

>>714828343
>Who cares about story
literally every single person that plays this genre, which is why FFT and TOLUCT are always touted as among the best.
>guy trying to convince me story and characters don't matter in FIRE EMBLEM
You can lie all you want though, but the mocking pic related received when it came out proves my point. If it didn't, you would be playing wargames on graph paper instead of video games.

>>714828581
>jrpg doesnt not refer to every rpg ever made by nips
Why? That's literally what the acronym is
>which is why FFT and TOLUCT are always touted as among the best.
TO is shit because the gameplay is slow and boring. It's not tactical either. If I wanted to read a compelling story I'd read a book or a VN which does that much better. Way too many SRPGs excel at neither.

>>714828849
>TO is shit
and the mask is off in one post, what a waste of time. Dogshit taste, dogshit opinion. Moving on

>>714828849
Second quote meant for >>714828648

>>714829060
Sorry I disgraced your sacred cow. Who could have guessed a bunch of empty fields with no side-objectives and randomly positioned enemies that take 6 actions to kill each would make for boring, slow-paced gameplay.

>>714828648
>literally every single person that plays this genre
I play for the gameplay tho

>>714829234
>a bunch of empty fields with no side-objectives and randomly positioned enemies
We were talking about Fire Emblem; correct.

>>714829273
everyone on /v/ says this but most people on /v/ are brown liars sooooo

>Fire Emblem retards
every time

>>714828648
They have to say that. What else are they going to do, fucking defend trash like Engage? It's a diseased series

>>714829284
>no u
Good argument. Thing is, I can actually point to several great maps in almost any game, while any TO map devolves into the same degenerate slog without exception.

>>714829567
so the Tendie instantly goes for a map not in the shit game he posted, and we don't even need to touch the disingeniousness. It's just assumed with Tendies.
>Tendies when they see a house on a map: "WOAH" *pays Nintendo 5 dollars just because*

>>714829835
>It has... le houses!
Except they're just differently colored tiles for your archers to slowly shoot shit off of. And don't forget the horribly obtuse movement mechanics involving height.

Can you explain what is good about this map?

>Mechanics that add depth are bad
The typical IS mindset?

>>714798423
>Mercenaries Series
Hunting for Magic Items can be fun, but can take a long time as its pure RNG. Once you make your characters thats almost invincible, you take them to Dungeon of Trials to see if you're gonna survive our you're getting torn to shreds.
Playing across its 7(!) entries, its fun to see the small changes. The AI autobattle helps alot in grinding stuffs, wish they didn't take out the inactive window option so I can shitpost while grinding.

>>714784342
Based. Really underrated SRPG on DS. The stuffs can be quite obtuse though like the Card system.
Aegil is best girl, and B route the better route.

>>714831057
>Can't reply directly
>Can't name one good thing about the amazing map of his own choosing
The movement mechanics being obtuse is not a good thing. Do you spend the time calculating where you'll be able to move to on the following turn? No. One, because it doesn't matter seeing as you can probably just attack and be attacked from several tiles away (hence your positioning doesn't actually matter - nice "tactics"). And two, because nobody bothers even learning how to calculate that in the first place so you'll probably just be wrong even if you tried.

I just want to build versatile armies and kill stuff. What game is for me?

>>714831414
Battle Brothers and Wartales since both games are sanbox rpgs.

Mount & Blade series, which isn't an SRPG but also fullfills the fantasy of just leading an army and killing shit, though from the front lines and via action combat with minor rts mechanics.

What's the difference between a Strategy RPG and a Tactical RPG? If there is one.

>>714831667
The S in SRPG stands for simulation, don't ask why it's a nip thing and I don't know either. SRPG and TRPG are the same term it just depends whether or not you want to be a weeb

>>714816968
90% of this game difficulty is how cryptic it is

Langrisser
Growlanser
Devil Survivor
Arc the Lad

So how was this? The initial trailer looked neat but then I heard it's mobile gacha shit and stopped paying attention.
It has a free campaign apparently?

>>714832356
I'm so fucking tired of seeing games that look interesting and then seeing the dreaded words underneath "Free to Play Gacha"

Also curious about this one. Has shockingly good steam reviews for how little I hear about it and how absolutely fucking ugly it is.

>>714832458
Same...

>>714832540
this has been on my radar because all the supposed features seem right up my alley, but it's so ugly

>>714832356
>gacha srpgs will be the future of the genre
fucking grim

>>714780265

This one was good.

>>714831382
Not the anon at the start of the reply chain, but its good because the layout allows for tactical positioning and it looks like a place people actually live, traverse, the layout is concise the scale is as it should be for a neighborhood. The height mechanic isn't difficult to understand especially by chapter 4 which this looks like a chapter 4 or 3 map. Whats bad about it? What makes FE maps better when they lack depth and environmental story telling.

>>714833296
>The height mechanic isn't difficult to understand especially by chapter 4
The issue is the "understanding" is more or less completely vibes-based, like every other system in the game. You base your moves on feeling rather than calculation because calculation is inherently impossible when stats are so bloated and the calculations are hidden. This is what SRPGs stubbornly continue to get wrong decade after decade. You cannot formulate micro-level plans/sequences because there is so much uncertainty and randomness that it's pointless to even try.

>>714768637 (OP)
Play Jeanne D'Arc

>>714833646
They are not hard to understand, are you jumping up? Is it more than 2 units higher, you can't jump it with 90% of classes unless they have some jump modifier

>>714833296
>>714833646
>What makes FE maps better when they lack depth and environmental story telling
Also I would argue FE still does this better than most other SRPGs regardless of the quality of the overall story. Unless
>Empty field with fairies
>Empty field with undead (woah river in the middle)
>Sloped field with soldiers
is somehow the peak of gameplay-story integration
>>714833998
Isometric view makes it difficult to even tell what a "unit" even is half the time. The main point is nobody thinks beyond their current character's current turn, because there's no point.

>>714768637 (OP)
Shining Force 3 Trilogy

>>714834209
Are you literally trying to judge height based on appearance and not the actual number that displays the height difference?

>>714835493
I don't even remember how that part displayed since it's been a couple years since I played it. I don't know why you're so hung up on this point though. I don't remember ever finding the verticality to actually make the game any more interesting to play. It was more of a minor annoyance that slowed down maps even further and just completely solidified the boring ranged supremacy.

>>714816968
I miss Dept. Heaven. I wish they remake Gungnir already and finish the plot at least.

>>714831819
Because they bombard you with information in early parts of the game. It takes time to get used on it though.

>>714834209
No different than empty fields in FE except they have no scale to them, is it representing an entire country, the countyside of some village, or some meadow where the party got ambushed. FE is never consistent on the representation of scale

>>714836654
>No different than empty fields in FE
You can declare this as much as you want, but it just objetively isn't true for the vast majority of maps other than in Awakening, which is hated for that exact reason.
>except they have no scale to them, is it representing an entire country, the countyside of some village, or some meadow where the party got ambushed. FE is never consistent on the representation of scale
picrel is a composition of all of the maps in FE4. To be fair, they are some of the weakest maps gameplay wise in the series. Valuing scale over micro-level gameplay just tends to have that result.

>>714785206
Jagged Alliance 3 was actually good.

>>714792098
>What are you looking for in a SRPG?
I like time units/action points instead of player turn enemy turn and 1 action per turn. All combat should happen on the field (the way SRW, SF and FE does combat sucks). Customization needs to be a thing. If it's a guns focused game, there need to be ballistics and not retarded board game abstractions. I don't mind the idea of a strategic layer, but I don't really care for how it works in Xcom. Also nothing from China or Korea.

>>714835957
Sting is still surprisingly active, but they haven't made anything that as ambitious as their glory days

>>714837360
>All combat should happen on the field
NTA but not sure what you mean by this.

>>714837636
Like TO, FFT, JA and Xcom. Units on the map fight on the map. There's no cutaway to a separate fight scene. I can't stand that shit. It's horrible for pacing and you end up skipping all of them later on. A quick concise attack with no cutaway animation is far better.

>>714837375
Mostly remastering their old games. Wish they could release Blaze Union and Gloria Union on Steam though.
Last SRPG I've played with them as the developer is Fairy Fencer F Refrain Chord. Not a bad one but definitely not as great as Gungnir.

>>714837936
I mean, you can just turn off the combat animations in FE and that's basically what you get

>>714784718
bro, your emulator?

>>714837951
Yggdra on steam was 2023 and Riviera was 2024. Maybe just copium but I hope they keep going.

>>714838013
I can tell you're an FEfag so you're going to defend every aspect of the game, but no, that's not basically what you get by skipping the cutaway animations.

>>714838461
What is the difference?

>>714838521
The difference is that all FE games are trash and it's fans are consistently tied for the worst posters in these threads with the ones that post gook and chinkshit.

>>714838669
You realize how insane you sound, right? All I did was suggest a trivial fix for your "problem" with combat animations and now you're having a full-blown meltdown.

>>714838461
>I hate game because it doesn’t have [X].
>”Game does have [X] though.”
>I don’t care, I still hate game.
Ok

>>714828648
This is a Jrpg, nothing regarding tactics.

>>714839434
>I hate game because it doesn’t have
Skipping the shitty cutaway animations that I said I don't like isn't the same as having on field animations. Are you you stupid that you don't understand that, or that you're pretending skipping cutaway animations is the same as having on field animations?