People keep calling these games the best CRPG ever made, but it can't be both of them. So which one is it?

>>714821348 (OP)
They're both heavily flawed. BG3 is better.

>>714821348 (OP)
Pathfinder >DoS2
Larian really went all in on woke shit after dos2 but honestly the game was showing alot of signs. Bg3 really shoves liberal rhetoric down your throat the whole game.

>>714821493
Kys

>>714821348 (OP)
Every CRPG is the best CRPG ever made. I fucking love this genre

>>714821348 (OP)
DOS2 is better in nearly every way.

Much better encounters, bossfights, environmental interaction, pacing, quest design, and characters.

WotR is genuinely not appealing at all unless you are on the furthest end of the autism spectrum.

>>714821598
>muh woke
>he says while playing the game with a transbian married to a half-orc paladin

>>714821348 (OP)
dos2>>>>>>>>>>wotr>bg3

but in replayability wotr>others

>>714821348 (OP)
If you don't understand Pathfinder, than WotR will be the most frustating CRPG you'll ever play.

>>714821348 (OP)
>People
You keep spamming these threads over and over again.

>>714821598
Explain how it shoves liberal rhetoric down your throat

>>714821348 (OP)
>In Pathfinder you can romance and impregnate the succubus
>In DOS the succubus isn't even playable and she's with someone else
Pathfinder

>>714821348 (OP)
Which is weird because last time I asked here the answer I got was Kingmaker > WotR

>>714821598
pathfinder is also woke u fat fucking retard

>>714822101
Why do I have to do that? You must have agreed with what you saw in the game if you have to ask.

>>714821348 (OP)
Surprise - they're both shit

>>714822265
I didn’t find the game very political at all to be honest so give me some examples

>>714821945
>If you don't understand Pathfinder
actually there are no such thing as "understand pathfinder", one should know some dnd stuff

which of course no one does because there are no dnd games, so player comes into game, learning rules and playing. i mean, from beginning it is kinda obvous "you need to stack accuracy and damage"

>>714821348 (OP)
Just mod kangdom management away without sacrificing your playthrough and Kangmaker is better than both.

RT > Pathfinder
BG3 > DOS

>>714822579
No, enjoy your ignorance or look harder next time you play.

>>714821348 (OP)
Larion is good at making details, All their games are full of interesting interaction, But as for story and combat and companions, i prefer Pathfinder,

>>714821493
BG3 is a game for people that don't like games

>>714821348 (OP)
nobody with a brain thinks dos2 is the goat crpg

>>714823342
>goat
If there is someone who doesn't have a brain, it's you

>>714823093
So you parroted an opinion you read online and don’t actually have any examples to back it up, gotcha

>>714823024
You can't mod it away, you always have to end up skipping days like a retard, that can't be skipped unless you turn it off

>>714821493
BG3 is also a flawed game. Only the first act is fleshed out.

>>714822039
Akshually I just noticed how two autists kept making those threads so I decided to make this one

>>714823263
Who cares about what journalists say?

>>714821348 (OP)
bump

>>714825461
no one except /v/

>>714822101
The refugees welcome plotline is used not once, but twice

DOS2. WotR's storytelling and character writing sucks shit.

>>714821660
at least thats canon to the source material, and beside AEONED

>>714830572
Anevia is still referred to as a woman in the aeon ending

>>714821493
bg3 literary have mission incomplete because they have to remove parts of the game, lmao

also dos2 combat is way waaaaay better than bg3

>>714830946
Anevia is dead in a ditch

>>714831070
And still referred to as a woman
Also Aeon doesn't undo the transformation unlike with Galfrey so Aeon thinks being a tranny is okay actually

>>714821348 (OP)
Double wrong
This is the objective list

>>714821493
FPBP
Only people who disagree are people who don't understand game design

>>714821348 (OP)
Thinking anything after 2002 is even a candidate for that title is insanity. Get help.

>>714821348 (OP)
>>714821493
I like all 3

>>714831230
this list is so garbage i'm not even going to reply to you

>>714831230
neverwinter nights below disco elysium, genuinely kill yourself nobody loves you

>>714831704
>he “likes” video games
megacringe and gay

>>714821348 (OP)
The only way you think Divinity Original Sin 2 is better is if you are too stupid to understand how to optimize Pathfinder.
It's still a great game tho.

>>714821348 (OP)
Rogue Trader shit in the head of WotR.
Which is better among RT and DOS?
Hard to say, you know, maybe DOS.

>>714831991
Its the most fair list

>>714833837
nah fixed your garbage list for you

>>714834052
Gimme the rundown on Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2, are they worth playing vanilla or is it only worth playing the custom content?
Also you owe it to yourself to play a lot of the games on your haven’t played tier like Gothic, but in particular Deus Ex should be priority no 1

>>714837283
Neverwinter Nights 1 OC is absolute garbage, all of it as in the original campaign and both the dlcs. Some people will try to tell you the dlcs are worth it, they are absolutely not. You should play the custom content, my personal recommendations are as follows: Swordflight, Excrucio Eternum, Siege of Shadowdale, Crimson Tides of Tethyr, Doom of Icewind Dale, Aielund Saga, Lords of Darkness, Bone Keening, Honour Among Thieves, Cave of Songs. Many like Prophet but I didn't really think much of it desu.

As for Neverwinter 2, the community content is much less vast because the toolset is much harder to use. But it has mask of the betrayer going for it made by obsidian, probably the greatest DND campaign ever made and is only beaten out by Fallout 1 for me it's an absolute must play for any roleplaying game fan I highly recommend it

I really should, I want to get around to playing Arcanum and Gothic at some point but I've recently got into making NWN modules myself and with the NWN2 enhanced edition coming out in a week it will probably be while.

Pathfinder is so cool in theory, i love theorycrafting my build, mythic path etc, but when i get to play i can't get pass 2 hours of it, then after some months i try again with a diferent build etc

>>714838136
Whew that’s gonna keep me busy for a while thanks anon
3 questions
1. Is all this playable on Enhanced Edition or is some the original version only?
2. I’ve heard a lot about persistent worlds are they any good in modern day?
3. Can I go straight to Mask of the Betrayer or do I have to/should I play through 2 vanilla beforehand?

>>714821348 (OP)
I'm just here waiting for people to out themselves as retards who got hard filtered by DOS2's armor system.

>>714831520
Only thing good from back then is Planescape Torment. Nu-CRPGs are worlds better. Like Tyranny is mid af compared to most of the new ones yet still miles better than OG Baldur's Gate. Your games were never good gramps and the shit you liked in them that you feel new games lack were never great aspects.

>>714838875
Yeah no problem
1. There are some modules especially like super ancient ones that run into some problems on the enhanced editions but everything I've listed there is compatible and works just fine or at least it did for me.
2. I honestly couldn't say, I've got almost 500 hours in the game but I've never touched multiplayer there's so much stuff on the vault that it's kept me busy enough.
3. It's a sequel to the OC but there's only passing mentions in stuff like flashbacks. It's almost entirely self contained and you can play it as is, there's a level up feature at the start that starts you at the appropriate level to jump straight in if you want to.

>>714821348 (OP)
I prefer Pillars of eternity 1 to both of those. And I dont even consider Pillars to be one of the best ones ever made.

>>714839185
in my 20s, you just have shit taste

>>714839185
Objectively wrong. Modern games are streamlined so they appeal to the masses of brainless apes.
Many devs themselves admitted to it, if it wasnt already painfully obvious, that a lot of different stats, skills, etc. intimidate the casuals. And one of them even said that some people still cant figure it out that pumping up dexterity as a warrior or strenght as a rogue, wont make you do more damage. Appealing to casuals ruined CRPG's.

>>714839935
are you retarded, pathfinder is a million times more complex than any old crpg
not like that's a good thing, because the game is shit

>>714840036
I replied to a post that literally said "Nu-CRPG's are worlds better" and you bring up one game?

>>714840170
they're one of the most popular ones so yes, it's not like other games like DOS or PoE are that much different

>>714821348 (OP)
Pathfinder is the best example of a table top rpg turned faithfully into a crpg. Which is funny because their next game Rogue Trader is one of the most unfaithful adaptations.
DOS2 is the best example of a crpg that is able to take full advantage of it's medium.

>>714821348 (OP)
I've played both
I couldn't even finish Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
That game is extremely boring compared to Divinity - half of the experience is watching the party's archer wreck everything, and >>714821598
this guy cracks me up, saying DoS2 is the woke one when Pathfinder: WotR literally starts by pushing a black paladin and a gay lesbian half orc on you in less than 10 minutes

>>714822265
Embarrassing

>>714821598
>Muh woke
Kys faggot

>>714831230
Have you played kcd 2 ?

>>714831520
>Boomer cope
It's over you unc, and for your jank slop with 16 polygon

>>714831230
>baldurs gate 2 on great
>zoomers gate 3 on god
kys

>>714821348 (OP)
Larian's writing team is legit one of the worst in the business, it's Reddit incarnate, nothing but quips, le holds up spork, and "he's right behind me" moments

>>714822173
Anon she brainwashes and rapes him
Her “boyfriend” has no will on his own he is her thrall. You don’t want to be with Almira

>>714821598
CRPG's are a woke genre chuddy. Go back to your soulless FPS games.

>>714840704
>waah I need flashy combat so my zoomer ADHD microplastic poisoned mind can concentrate on the game!!!
>but I also need it to be turn based so I can take tiktok breaks in between turns!!!
>the first companions in BG3 are two postwall women and two faggots but WotR is the woke game!!!

>>714841332
I feel like people who regurgitate this don't even play the games. DOS1 was the worst offender, and even then it wasn't bad per se, just never able to take itself seriously which rubbed people the wrong way.

But DOS2 has average-good writing, is genuinely funny, and is far better than the vast majority of jarpig crap that people just give a free pass to for garbage writing.

>>714840980
learn to read nigga, in my 20s just dont have shit taste its that easy

>>714841332
Still never seen a single person who says this give even one concrete example of why it's bad.

It's always just a buzzword salad basically boiling down to "lighthearted writing = bad"

>>714841786
Because it's not funny unless you spend 24/7 browsing r/funny and it makes it hard to take the story seriously
Willing to bet you think pic related is good

>>714841897
>he thinks theres a single good crpg since DA:O other than the first pillars game
wild

>>714841897
I honestly believe that nu-CRPG's audience is mostly JRPG audience and they got used to some of the most dogshit writing already, so stories in DOS or BG look good in comparison to drawn out JP word salad and talking in circles for 4 hours for no reason.

>>714841620
There's a certain breed of fags so miserable they see a character with lighthearted/sarcastic attitude and start screeching about marvel quips.

>>714842782
And there's a certain breed of fags that like to pretend it's not a problem when literally every character acts like that

>>714842828
>every character acts like that
Maybe in your psychotic delusions.

>>714841545
Didn't they just fall in love and escape together?

>>714821493
BG3 has worse characters, writing, and combat. The only thing it has over DOS2 is graphics.
>>714821348 (OP)
DOS2
>good writing, if you don't mind some occasionally quirky humor from the narrarator
>good music
>great characters
>excellent combat system
>limited, but customizable character building that lets you do more or less whatever you want
>focuses on core gameplay while allowing fun roleplay
>multiplayer
Pathfinder
>dogwater writing, every possible dogshit subverted trope that modern fantasy writers like putting in you can find here
>character building is as wide as the ocean and as deep as a puddle, a million classes that all feel the same
>despite having a million varient classes, the game will hand you your ass if you don't know which meta classes to pick or how to build them
>empire building which at best is an optional distraction and at worst detracts from everywhere else that they could have put more polish
>no multiplayer
unless you are the stinkiest, chromosomally gifted fa/tg/uy, I would never reccomend Pathfinder.

>>714821493
Agreed. Baldur's Gate 3 has way better systems than DOS 2 and Pathfinder WOTR is brought down by it's encounter design and uncreative enemies. Love all 3 though.

>>714843535
Well said,
I'm almost offended anyone would even put these two games on a shared pedestal
DOS2 is like a 9.5/10 game to me, and P:WotR is not even 7/10

I don't hate it, I just didn't like it, it's not for me, and playing it after DOS2 makes it all the more unbearable, I can only compare the experience to trying to eat stale bread after eating bakery fresh buns, the difference in quality is that staggering, so I can't even comprehend how anyone could ever think they're equals

>>714831230
I liked witcher 3 but dude cmon lol

>>714821348 (OP)
pathfinder is only the best if you're on the spectrum.

>>714831230
Move down w3 and me2 and its a fine list

>>714821348 (OP)
Its bg3 . But you all not ready for that discussion, even though DoS2 itself had a shit third act and pathfinder was more buggy and unfinished than bg3 on launch.

>>714841620
>DOS1 was the worst offender
Yeah that's the one I played, it was so bad that I won't touch their other games, thanks for admitting I'm right

>>714821493

>>714831230
>me2 and witcher3 in god tier
you've never beaten ultima 7 or underworld. you just put them there so people don't automatically dismiss you as a retarded zoomer with awful taste

>>714845000
Ok? Your loss retard. We don't care.

>>714821348 (OP)
DOS2

>>714821348 (OP)
They are both must-plays if you like the genre. Pathfinder is for the autistic gentleman, while DOS2 caters more to the cheese connoisseurs.

>>714821348 (OP)
>Playing through DOS2 as a lone wolf boner with Fane as my duo
>Get to Lady Vengeance and have to reinvite him to my party
>Skipping through dialogue with Fane as fast as possible
>Screen goes black and accidently have gay skele sex with him

Canon KC is;
>Aasimar
>Female
>Bard
>Chaotic Good
>Azata
>Romance Arue
>Ascension ending
>Impregnated with twins

>>714823263
It's the same thing that happened with Expedition 33. Game that suddenly got massive amount of attention and even normies felt compelled to check it out. Most will never venture beyond because they don't know much about RPGs.

>>714821348 (OP)
DOS2 is better but WOTR has Wendy
I pick DOS2

>>714823263
Post that screencap about anon's dad that only plays Red Dead Redemption 2 and refuses to try anything else because "he already plays a videogame"

>>714852282
There's also guys who refuse to touch anything other than one specific sim game they like

>>714821348 (OP)
Well, neither are even the best games by their respective developers.

>>714821348 (OP)
KM>BG3>DOS2>RT>WotR>BG1>>>>>>>>>>>>>DOS1
I've never played BG2.

>>714855459
Yeah but WOTR rules

>>714856165
I agree, I think I put like 300 hours into it. It just isn't as good as KM or RT (I'm >>714855672)

>>714834052
Alpha Protocol a game that is unplayable, broken and unfinished on the same tier as Mass Effect 2?

Your list is awful

>>714855672
Stolen Lands was unironically one of the peak settings in an RPG

>>714821348 (OP)
LMAO those two are barely above average games

>>714821348 (OP)
I feel like I’m missing the point of DoS2. What’s the point of replaying if all the encounters and ending is always the same?
Yes, I’m a total newb to these sorts of games but it felt like it was baiting the “choices” when most choices don’t actually change the overall world.

I played BG3 twice (a good guy paladin and a bad guy monk) about 18 months ago. I'm now 70 hours into DOS2 and I think DOS2 is actually a better game than BG3