Thread 714860184

What the fuck happened the the Xeno series?

Why did it get so watered down and kiddified?

To go from Xenogears and Xenosaga to Blushy Crushy and generic anime tropes is utterly embarrasing. The stories in Xenoblade are just rehashing stories and themes already told in past JRPGs.

>>714860184 (OP)
Xenogears and Xenosaga told the best stories

>>714860184 (OP)
>Why did it get so watered down and kiddified

nintendo

>>714860184 (OP)
I just dislike how the writing has become overly shonen with bland "safe" protagonists.

Noah looks good he was designed by committee, completely flavourless goody-two-shoes with the most bland character design.

The authors grew out of their "muh mature videogame for mature people such as me" phase and realized the shonen-like vibe is more fun.
You will understand it when you become older OP.

>>714860184 (OP)
They're really JRPG-y JRPGs. Takahashi tells the same story every time and all the Xenoblade games follow the same story template.

>guy meets girls
>they begin to like each other or like each other
>girl gets captured or girls gets in danger or killed
>hero anime sword wielder screams her name

Literally every Xenoblade games. It's boring as fuck.

>>714860603
>filtered
>>714860184 (OP)
Nintendo as >>714860395 pointed out
I'm so fucking tired of the same old recycled shonen JRPGs.
Gears and Saga were the only ones that actually tried to be something more ambitious, and we're never getting anything like that again, because all devs care about now is flashy cutscenes, tons of fanservice, and plots with the depth of a goddamn piece of paper

>>714862091
>>filtered
OP is the one saying he got filtered here.

>>714860538
>I just dislike how the writing has become overly shonen with bland "safe" protagonists.
meanwhile the first game has amnesiac freedom fighter with a tsundere girlfriend and he turns into kamen rider. Totally not shonentard shit like other jrpgs kek

>>714860184 (OP)
Same thing that happened to most other Japanese creators from that era. They lost interest in telling more serious stories as they got older.

>>714860184 (OP)
Why do people act like Xenogears has flawless writing, like the scene with the onions system didn't feel contrived, like that priestitute didn't feel kind of forced.
You want to know why writing changed after Xenogears/Saga, because those stories never completed their fucking arc, Xenogears was part 5 of a part 6 series, Xenosaga 1-3 was part 1 of a 6 part series, Xenoblade has a complete start and end point, that's why the writing is different, because they wanted to make a complete game instead of planning out and failing to make a new series, the irony is that Xenoblade finally got the sales the series sneeded to stay alive.

>>714860686
I haven't played xenoblade but this is a recipe for kino, why change it?

>>714864385
Exactly, they managed to finish and sell the games, but at the cost of losing a more experimental and ambitious story

>>714864650
Because the JRPG market is saturated with the same stuff

>>714864710
Then let's say that's the trade off, you can either have lofty writing which doesn't always land, or you can have the game actually be complete, it's strange that we praise failures like Xenogears but spurn successes like Xenoblade.

>>714860686
>flip the trop of hero being thrust into quest when his town is destroyed by having hero destroy his town
Even Xenoblade is full of excellent moments, let's not forget, how can you not love the part where Shulk sees the vision of the Mechonis hitting the Bionis for infinite damage.

>>714864905
Xenoblade 3’s writing was outright shit AND underwhelming though. It was like a worst of both worlds thing.

Anyone who unironically praises the shitshow that is Saga in any way is trolling or pic related

I don't think Xenoblade does enough to stand out and is why it'll probably never catch on and sell more than it does now unless they really take it outside its comfort zone.

>generic anime designs that blend in with every other anime game
>Generic MMO combat which many can't get into and is just souped up WoW
>Generic JRPG storytelling that feels too concerned with feeling like a JRPG by adopting generic anime tropes and JRPGs-isms instead of breaking away from the status-quo

The only unique selling point of the games really are their worlds but even then open world maps aren't unique in itself either, 80% of games are open world.

Are we trying to pretend that fucking Xenogears isn't a shonen story built entirely on anime tropes?
Xenosaga and arguably Xenoblade X (pre-Chapter 13) are the only Xeno games that aren't really shonen stories.
Xenogears is LITERALLY G Gundam and Xabungle with the religious and psychological/philosophical mumbo jumbo that was trendy in anime in the late 90s.

>b-but that makes it mature for mature people like myself
literal children's anime like cyberteam in akihabara went on strong religious tangents and jungian/freudian schizobabble lmao
evangelion's manga adaption was published in a shonen magazine

>>714865906
I mean let's say someone wants to check Xenoblade out and see what it's about, they google Xenoblade images and they see pic related.

It just looks like generic anime, which it essentially is.

>>714860184 (OP)
>Kiddified
>Xenoblade 3 literally is pro-natalism, and also has a suicide scene from the crazy girl's POV

>>714866125
>arguably Xenoblade X (pre-Chapter 13) are the only Xeno games that aren't really shonen stories.
Xenoblade X has the worst story and cast out of all the xeno games and it's not even close
>evangelion's manga adaption was published in a shonen magazine
Oh yeah, the reason everyone talks about eva is definitively the manga, right.

>>714866265
I hate how bland and uninspired Noah looks. His costume design is so shit and forgettable.

>>714865906
1 and X stood out to me, with their style, but also with the gameplay that does much more than MMOs. Only way you can think otherwise is having literally 0 direct experience with any of the 4 games, or MMOs. So the average /v/ shitposter I guess.
2 and 3 have issues with generic styles, sure, but at least the former makes up with some raw sovl and interesting stuff in gameplay terms.

>>714865757
Nobody really cares about Xenosaga, it's either a few Xenogears boomers who force themselves to care because it's the "continuation" of the story before they sold out (despite how much worse it is than Xenogears) or it's Xenoblade zoomers who pretend to care because their favorite jewtuber told them they should totally care.
The only good thing about them was KOS-MOS being a top tier robot girl (for the time period anyway) and coincidentally that's the only thing most people remember about the games.

>>714866265
>Melia is the girl chosen for the protag pairing representation
Fiora bros....

>>714866125
I'm not even shitting on Xenogears since it's my favourite game of all time and has a story so unparalleled in vidya you'll only find superior (vidya) stories in visual novels.
But I feel like the people who fucking worship Xenogears as some mature, mindblowing game filled with completely original takes, plot points and one-of-a-kind characters are secondaries, much like the meme here >>714865757

For fuck sake, it shares more than half of it's key plot devices with fucking Chrono Trigger, which is to be expected since Xenogears is made mostly by the Chrono Trigger team, but still.

>>714860184 (OP)
>Xenogears on PS1
>Snoys don't buy it
>Xenosaga on PS2
>Snoys don't buy it
>Namco sold Monolith to Nintendo
>Xenoblade on Switch
>Snoys get mad
Shoulda buy those games when you had the chance.

>>714866340
>Xenoblade X has the worst story and cast out of all the xeno games and it's not even close
That literally has nothing to do with what I said, nor does it contradict it.

>>714866406
I dont think sticking with Saito is gonna help them. New people seeing the game will just think it's attached to Xenoblade 2 and 3 and decide not to play it.

They need a new character designer to set a new visual design.

>>714866462
I've never played any of the Xeno games, and I was thinking about trying Saga since I like the designs
What's the gameplay like?

>>714866540
Not sure why you think every game needs to pull a completely different audience in, there are enough xenofans and more people probably joined in from XDE.

>>714860184 (OP)
homosexuality

>>714866604
Saga is kinda straightforward turn-based RPG.
I didn't think it was particularly engaging despite usually liking those but it's not terrible either.

Why do so many people on /v/ pretend they've played Gears and Saga and only talk about them when comparing them against Blade?

>>714866694
That doesn't sound too bad, I think I'll give it a shot.

My only criticism with Monolith is they've never really seemed to move beyond the formula set by Xenoblade but in 2010, which is like 15 fucking years ago. You could argue they've been making the same game ever since.

Every game after has just been a reiteration of the same gameplay mechanics and formula set by the first Xenoblade.

Hopefully their next game is something different or takes the IP down a new path cause I think the Xenoblade formual and gameplay has grown a bit stale. The series has been selling to the same people every time and the IP felt more fresh during Xenoblade 2's release but ever since then has just been nailed to the same spot and not really evolving or doing anything new.

>>714860184 (OP)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and 3 killed the franchise
I hope the X remaster is waking people up because that's the route the series should've went. not the generic anime bullshit that followed after.

>>714866889
X did change things up a little with the customizable avatar and open world but yeah I can feel you.

>>714866931
Nigga, XBX is just the sci-fi/mecha flavor of anime.

>>714866931
xc2 is most good selling popular xeno game. and xc3 is a little weaker but has strong sales anyway

i wonder where would be next xenoblade 4 game, must be switch2 exclusive i think.

>>714866889
>Every game after has just been a reiteration of the same gameplay mechanics and formula set by the first Xenoblade.

This is true, it even extends to the stories. Every story is the same boy meets girl story that follows the same structure with just its parts switch around in different places with just a slight change in tone. They also all lead to the same generic "We'll walk our own path, seize our destiny and build our own future" JRPG message. I don't get why they continue to rehash the same message.

As long as they keep the cool environments and amazing music I'll eat whatever slop anime story they want to throw at me. Battles are kinda fun once you get into the groove but I could take it or leave it if they wanted to try a new system. Just please no more gachashit in the next Xeno

How would you fix Xenoblade side quests? They're the weakest part of the game for me. So much interesting worldbuilding and story is locked behind boring fetch quests

>>714867202
XC2 was so watered down I just couldn't play it

>>714867254
And every story has the villain we all must feel remorse for and who wants to destroy the world.

Egil, Jin, N... basically the same characters just with a different design.

>>714867465
well kinda maybe. i mean, xc3 doesn't even have any cool boss, there are just some pink haterobots. xc2 have metsu, that going around screaming "i will kill you all because im so evil". but again there are emo-shin that goes around being sad, and that marubeni guy who is kinda evil too.

>>714860184 (OP)
Xenoblade 2 has been disastrous for the series. And I say that as someone who has liked the hot female character designs since KOS-MOS.

But 2 was a terrible story with awful characters. 3 improved character writing, but had terrible pacing tonal whiplash. The world design and music is the only thing the series still hasn't ruined.

>>714867426
side quests are literally my favorite part about the games, the fuck are you talking about?

>>714869082
Lmao

Is every 'xeno' thread just a circlejerk of dubtards making the same posts about how much they hate anime shit and how 2 ruined the series

>>714869082
>2 was a terrible story
Opinion discarded

>>714869082
Kek

>>714869140
Every quest is just "kill 3 bunnies" or "get 3 cucumber scented rocks." It gets so tiresome

>>714860184 (OP)
>>714860252
>>714860538
You people have never played Xenogears.

>>714867426
>>714869140
Side quests should only lead to lulz or a superboss. Anything else is just time wasting bullshit.

>>714871853
>>714871991
No every Xenothread is full of XB2 secondaries who do not have the patience for the grand stories or religious themes this series was originally known for.

I'm really not attached to the MMO gameplay like most Xenoblade fans are, I like the combat but I never saw it has something that shouldn't change and should remain the same forever. Ever since the first Xenoblade, I've always been more excited about how the series can grow and evolve and after 3 I feel like the series has come to a halt and has begun saying the same things and selling to the same people which isnt necessarily a bad thing but it feels like the series is currently sitting in the same spot and not really evolving and it leads it to feeling a bit stale and lacking novelty.

I'm not one of those people who are like "Yes, this is what Xenoblade is. It should stay like this!".

I think around Xenoblade 2 was when the series was in its stride in bringing in new fans and when the IP felt the most exciting. It's during 3 when most people by that point had realised they were either into Xenoblade or not and the energy around the IP had changed.

Then X releases and it sells even worse than 3.

Another reason I want see them do something different with the IP is maybe then my mates will take an interest in the series too.

They invented Xenoblade back in 2010, it felt novel and fresh in the face of linear hallways and no towns in RPGs back then. Would love to see another RPG that feels just as novel and fresh as Xenoblade did in 2010 instead of just reiterating on lighting in a bottle.

>>714872248
Agreed, it can not stagnate like Tales or Star Ocean.

It either needs to re-embrace turn based combat, or completely transform the realtime battles.

>>714872248
Also maybe this rant is just born out of my frustration of their last 2 games just being just an almagamation of rehashed parts of 1 and 2 and safer designs and a fucking port of a Wii U game I already put 400 hours into back in 2015.

I just wanna fucking see something new man!

Bro doesn't remember ChuChu

>>714860184 (OP)
Have you guys only played Xenoblade 2? Lol

>>714867465
Lao is also another Jin/N/Egil but nobody played X

>>714867465
>N wants to destroy the world
Retard-kun…

>>714873538
Oh yeah, forgot! Exsctly!

>>714873660
OK so he doesnt want to destroy the world he wants to maintain the now/present. Still it's the same principle. Same character just coming at it from a different angle.

>>714872091
Yes, and I fucking love it, side-quests are what I play video games for and the reason why Xenoblade became my favorite game franchise, remove them and there is no reason for me to play these games anymore

Xenopeak
I hope the next blade game will be more scifi and schizo.

>>714860184 (OP)
Fuck off already retard.

>>714860184 (OP)
>Why did it get so watered down and kiddified?
You didn't play the Xenoblade games.

>>714867202
>xc3 is a little weaker but has strong sales
[citation needed]

Yo, new Xenogears game looks sick.

>>714860184 (OP)
It got sold to Nintendo

>>714869082
>3 improved character writing
Not really.

>>714866540
Anon, Saitom got ridiculous popular thanks to Xeno.

>>714875110
You're not listening to what I'm saying. That's irrelevant.

Next game needs a new visual identity otherwise people who don't care for Xenoblade will just think it's attached in some way to 2 and 3 and not give it a chance.

It's needs to break away from the look of 2 and 3 so it can stand on its own and represent a new beginning.

>>714860184 (OP)
>Xenoblade 1 and 3 are represented by boys
>Xenoblade 2 is represented by girls
Why did Melia and Mio fail to become as popular as 'ra sisters?

I did not care for Xenoblade 3. It insists upon itself.

>>714875437
And Fiora is even less popular than Melia and Mio.

Why did Xenoblade X still fail to really take off? You’d think “massive sci-fi alien planet full open world where you can ride mechs anywhere” would be a huge thing, plus it’s the most fun game to play as a game with how good the sprinting and jumping are

>>714875340
Xenoblade is doing fine right now, why should I want it to change for people who don’t even like the games?

The last thing I want is for the series to get overrun with normalfags

>>714875542
Yes. This is why I didn't choose her as a representative of Xenoblade 1.

>>714875609
I like X but everyone I saw making a gameplay dropped the game after a while. The story is just boring for most people.

I'm a massive hater of the Xenoblade series because the gameplay is NOT what I wanted (turn-based shit) like the other games. That being said besides the fucking cringe anime moe shit i'm sure the narrative and world is still pretty good. I just seriously am disappointed in the gameplay changes. I know what it feels like for Yakuza fans to finally get to the Ichiban games and just wheep. Although I like both pre and post Ichiban games and find 0 to be the poor entry.

>>714875280
The gameplay is great in all 3 saga games. The perfect JRPG battle system would be merging all 3.

Button based attack inputs from 1
Team attacks/break system from 2
Mech/character customization from 3

>>714875795
>The gameplay is great in all 3 saga games

>>714875340
Lmao, people want more of those designs.

>>714860184 (OP)
>Why did it get so watered down and kiddified?
Because people bought xenosaga 1 and not baten kaitos, and then they bought xenoblade 1 and not xenoblade x.

>>714875746
I’ve always thought that the gameplay is fun enough to forget the mediocre “main story” chapters, plus a majority of the story isn’t told from the main story to begin with, I still think S has the best gameplay by far which is the most important thing a game needs
An actual flaw is that there’s only two global nemeses and they never added more over time to either version of the game, and both of them fold easily to ether blossom

>>714875484
3 was close to being good.
I would have cut all side story content and focused more on the leads.

Sena and Lanz deserved a love story. Also I would have went further with physical intimacy—-something like an FFX makeout session with implied sex.

>>714860686
You never played Xenosaga.

>>714876082
>would have cut all side story content and focused more on the leads.
Noah and Mio are boring as shit. Focusing on them exclusively would be a detriment. They aren't interesting enough to carry the plot.
>Sena and Lanz deserved a love story
Nah, Eunie and Taion are the ones that got snubbed.

>>714860184 (OP)
>To go from Xenogears and Xenosaga to Blushy Crushy and generic anime tropes is utterly embarrasing
When was the last time you played either of those two

>>714875795
>The gameplay is great in all 3 saga games.
They weren't. From all those, the only decent was 3, but it was a fart in the wind compared ti Xeno2, for example.

>>714875795
Kill yourself.

>Start Xenogears
>Dan already wants you to cuck his sister's boyfriend
Yup it's a Takahashi game all right

>>714876082
>focused more on the leads.
Huh? Noah and Mio already hog the spotlight in the regular game. They hog it so much they even have an extra Noah and extra Mio playing major parts in the story.
>would have went further with physical intimacy—-something like an FFX makeout session with implied sex.
Noah and Mio literally have a son and make out at the end of the game. What are you talking about? Did you even play 3?

Shion/Kevin > Fei/Elly > Rex/Nia > Shulk/Fiora
>Garbage>Noah/Mio

I find Noah and Mio so fucking boring. I'm so bored of them.

>>714860184 (OP)
Clair Obscur continued it anyway so dont worry

btw implying xenosaga is anywhere near as good as XC1/2 or Xenogears is fucking nuts its such an overrated slop game

>>714876204
https://voca.ro/19bV6oCox5WA

>>714865715
The writing was only bad in the third act

>>714877142
Meds

>>714877142
kek

>>714877063
Agreed. They are the most boring leads ever and I never want to see them in another Xeno game.
Thankfully, they are unlikely to return because showing them reunited would ruin 3's ending.

>>714875795
Reminder that xenoblade saga 2 was handed to a different devteam mid-development so that the core monolithsoft devteam could start work on 3, only for the new devteam to go rogue and rewrite both the story and gameplay. Takahashi had to stop development on XS3, make public announcements that the game titled Xenosaga 2 is not a xenosaga game, and even made a fucking VN for the nintendo DS that explains the actual events of XS2.

And yet occasionally some retard still shows up and defends it.

>The STAGGERING amount of ESL-posting
Maybe it's a bot but man, they're not sending their best and brightest

>>714877712
>ESL calls other people ESLs
Kek

Fucksake I think we all just need some new Monolith Soft news. Something about their next game

Its driving us all crraAAAAAAaaazzy

>>714877792
They just came out with a game 3 months ago.

>>714877863
Yeah but like I already 400+ hours in that bad boi way back in 2015

I mean something truly new

>>714860184 (OP)
Are you really serious? I mean, would you be satisfied if Zanza, Shulk and Klaus were a a symbolism for the Holy Trinity or something like that?

Takahashi already said that it was the so-called ambition that made all these projects failed in a way or another and it was Nintendo who incentived them to keep working on the game until they got satisfied.

If Xeno1 had Squaresoft as publisher, it probably wouldn't have of the freedom and the creative liberty the first had, they would probably make a straight line closer to XIII and all the key moments would've been not in engine, but in all those cute cgi scenes that no one cares since 2005.

If Xeno1 was made by Namco Bandai, the game would've probably ended after the first arrive at Sword Valley and some plot-keys, like the the Mass-Fabricated Faced Mechons would never been explored again. And, of course, they would rush to the ending to a certain point the whole thing would've been nonsensical.

The only clear interference I felt Nintendo doing in Xeno1 was explain, in an almost teacher-like way, who was Alvis and what happened before the days of the creation of the world. That was so unlike Takahashi that the only explanation was Nintendo giving the public some answers about the script, especially because they didn't know at that time if the series would've been well received or not. I think these days Takahashi regrets, because it made the whole series tied to a single plot, but it was better to obey who was paying their bills.

>>714878564
>I think these days Takahashi regrets, because it made the whole series tied to a single plot, but it was better to obey who was paying their bills.

Yeah I think ive grown a bit bored of every game being tied to the same plot and it all leading back to something to do with Klaus. I felt it was novel during Xenoblade 2 but it's become predictable and stale for me now. I really do not care about Klaus.

Even X went in a similar direction with another Conduit being the reason for everything. It's boring at this point.

>>714878910
>Even X went in a similar direction with another Conduit being the reason for everything
And they even made Space Alien Klaus the final boss behind everything too.

>>714879012
Has Takahashi truly ran out of ideas?

Maybe his age has caught up to him and he's repeating himself like a senile old man. Hopefully not.

>>714878564
>The only clear interference I felt Nintendo doing in Xeno1 was explain, in an almost teacher-like way, who was Alvis and what happened before the days of the creation of the world. That was so unlike Takahashi
>explained backstory in the previous games
???

>>714877258
>they only failed at landing the plane

>>714877258
No, it was bad the entire time.

>>714878564
>I think these days Takahashi regrets, because it made the whole series tied to a single plot, but it was better to obey who was paying their bills.
You know he wasn't obligated to tie 2 directly back to 1 at all, right?
>>714878910
>>714879012
>>714879306
Least obvious samefag

>>714879306
3 and X:DE made me worried he’s at a point where he’d rather have people kissing his ass over his “out-there” concepts than be ambitious with his worlds and characters. I mean, fuck me, X:DE outright has “IT WAS JUST LIKE THE HECKING KUBRICK MOVIE” as dialogue to lazily Deus ex Machina it into the main universe.

>>714882467
Meds.

Mio is my favorite vidya catgirl.

Eunie is my favorite vidya birdgirl.

>>714882524
I remember the 3 artbook where people sent in questions regarding things left unanswered or unexplained and he sounds like he's shitting himself and giving answers like "Well, heh... y'see... it's... it's cause uh... this thing y-yeah, it actually did... uh.. this... at some point... um... yeah.. and then well... um... well obviously I'd like to give the answers to that... but... um j-just wait a while... y-yeah"

>>714883267
He also said Fiora's soul is in Lucky 7 and all of the other Japanese staff were like "wtf are you talking about?"

>>714883267
He's a hack. Even his answers sound like fucking fanction.

"Inside the sword... is FIORA!"

It's like he's 12.

>>714883267
To be fair, X:DE did answer a lot of questions regarding Origin’s mechanics in relation to the collective unconscious/nexus, and provided a plausible explanation for how Malos could have manifested within Aionios.

>forces Xenoblade 1 to be start-to-finish story and prevents Takahashi from making mid-development twists that his team doesn’t actually have any assets created for
>it’s still the least fucked story in the franchise 15 years later
It can’t be understated how much of a tard guard this guy was for Nintendo’s development teams.

>>714883415
I think im just sick of it all at this point. Numb to it. I stopped caring about Malos after 2.

>>714883415
No it really didn't. And no one cares about 3 enough to care about the loose threads anyways.

>>714882524
Soraya wrote the scripts for the games and Takahashi was always the idea guy, a.k.a the Anno of Vidya, who constantly made callbacks and references to his favorite books, movies and anime.
>>714883267
I remember him being more like, "This was addressed within the game, how is this a question?" for most of them.

>>714883415
Bro, I understood the collective unconscious shit from 3 itself with its “muh endless now” and “fixed because feelings” crap. That doesn’t make it interesting in how it was executed and explored.

>>714883581
That’s fair. I think Logos/Malos’ use in 3 was smart, personally. Wasn’t so blatant or in your face to distract from the story being told, but still added to it in a way that built on his character as established in 2.

>>714884001
>still added to it in a way that built on his character as established in 2.
Not really.

>>714883378
XC3 in general is written like a fanfiction.

Half of the replies ITT read like they’re from people who haven’t actually played the games, but know enough to shitpost about them via thread knowledge

>>714884001
Oh yeah it's nice it was subtly added in for people in the know to pick up on.

Im just done with the whole Trinity Processor/Klaus stuff that began with Xenoblade 1.

I hope the next game is a clean slate. New overarching story completely separate of it.

>>714884154
It suffers from the same goddamn problem that all the Squaresoft expanded-universe “and then what happened after The End?” properties do. FF7, FF10, Kingdom Hearts, FFXIII… take your pick. Too bloated to function, needs to come up with stupid reasons to keep the conflict going.

>>714884495
>needs to come up with stupid reasons to keep the conflict going.
And yet the retarded fanbase is expecting Mythra's kid to be the MC of the next game.
It's like they literally want to live in the endless now.

>>714884420
I don’t think we’ll ever get a clean break from Zohar bullshit or whatever, but I can definitely see them getting away from everything related to Klaus

>>714884495
A shame Xenoblade had to end up the same way. I guess it's like most JRPG series and ends up silly and convoluted and I was kidding myself thinking it was a cut above the rest.

Thought Takahashi was one of the smarter ones. Hopefully their next game is a clean slate.

Shit thread.

>>714884621
>And yet the retarded fanbase is expecting Mythra's kid to be the MC of the next game.

These are the type of people Xenoblade has brought in. Cringeworthy.

They just want rehashed Xenoblade games featuring the extended families of Shulk Rex and Noah.

Just more Xenoblade that doesn't evolve or move forward.

>>714875795
Project X Zone...

>>714884621
If Monolith wanted their stagnant otaku fans to go get lives and have kids like 3 implies, they wouldn’t have gifted them a harem to draw porn of for free, in turn advertising their $300 scale figs they keep reprinting that you now need a full set of 3 to complete. For all the waxing about how we need to move forward, Monolith on some level wants the slop cattle who will obsess over their most successful characters until they die.

I miss Malos, nice chap.

Nintendo, fucking give us some news on Monolith's next game for fucksake.

>>714885880
They just released a game 3 months ago. Stop being so impatient.

>>714885923
It's a port of a Wii U game that originally released 10 years ago.

>>714860184 (OP)
>back in my day
alright, grandpa, it's time to get you to bed

>>714886847
So? They dodnt6 immediately reveal XC3 after 1DE.

>>714885362
>Malos: Just admit it! You want to see this world burn don't you? You don't care if you die! Just so long as you can watch this shitty world die first!

>>714887098
Don't care. I'm bored of their output. I wanna see a new game.

I'm not a woman or a shippertroon so I do not give a single fuck about seeing Noah and Mio reuniting

>>714887243
EMOTIONAL ANGSTY ANIME WRITING!!!

>>714887243
I still wished he popped up randomly on Mira, I need to see him and L interact.

>>714887417
I really do not care. How can you care about this?

>>714887417
Just write a fanfic retard.

Pic related is Japs while they write their over the top melodramatic anime plots

>>714860538
There's no such thing as "overly shonen".

Shonen is a demographic, not a style.

>>714860538
You'll get a 4th game about an anime twink wielding a magic red sword and you'll like it.

>>714887895
Fucksake. Im utterly bored of it.

>>714860603
The term shonen does not refer to a style or vibe. It exclusively means "young boy". Shonen are labeled as such purely because their target audience are boys. Same with shojo and girls.

Death Note is shonen. Rent A Girlfriend is shonen. This is shonen.

XeX DE is the best in the series.

>playing xenogears
>jewish rat merchant betrays you

You can tell the devs had fun

>>714889889
Close, but no cigar
A large amount of QoL that the series made after, especially in 3 stops it from being truly god tier.
XCX2 would easily the absolute best one.

>>714889889
Not with chapter 13.

>>714860603
> "muh mature videogame for mature people such as me" phase and realized the shonen-like vibe is more fun.
The irony of comments like this is that most of /v/ played Xenogears when they were young and easily impressed by "harder" themes and edge than the shit they normally consumed.

>>714890172
>X3
>walking
Nah I'm good.

>>714890303
Honestly I get more out of overly optimistic games as I get older. It's so easy to be "mature" by saying everything is bad and the world is a fuck. But it takes way more to realize the world is bad but choose to be good anyway. The fuck does it serve to just give up? Yeah the game is naive but so what?

people always talk about xenogear's story but never the design

>>714891237
I noticed that about my current tastes as well.

>>714891237
Based. Ive seen enough horrible things in life. I already know the world is full of murder, torture, animal abuse, wars, etc. I don't need to any more of it in media for shock value or to be "reminded" of the rEaL wOrLd and it's harsh realities.

As I get older I want to escape from it more and more.

>>714891237
You must hate XC3 then because it's depressing as fuck.

>>714860184 (OP)
you can blame nintendo but the real matter of the fact is, the games didn't get financially successful unless they were weebafied kiddie shit.

>>714893619
I haven't played it

>>714866483
>>Snoys don't buy it

>>714891237
Same. You get tired of being tired of everything.

>>714893642
Japan is super inconsistent on what's for kids and what's for adults. A series about high school girls in a band is aimed at adult men.

>>714893471
>>714893538
>>714891237
>Honestly I get more out of overly optimistic games as I get older
literal boomer babies who needs their alchy sippy cups to make it through the day

I just hope the next Xenoblade isn't amother retread and feels fresh and new.

If the story revolves around another whitebread, goody-two-shoes anime red sword wielder and his female love interest for the 4th time and there's another edgy antagonist who delivers his big soapbox moment of feelings and twists in the middle of the story while it cuts to quick transitions of party members all doing anime gasps and then the ending is more rehashed "we will seize our destiny and build the path to a new future!" philosophising before the main character screams his love interests name as she leaves him or dies then I'm just gonna laugh desu.

At that point I'm just gonna assume Monolith can only write 1 type of story.

>>714893642
>the games didn't get financially successful unless they were weebafied kiddie shit.
Gears and Saga 1 both sold over 1mil back when they were directly competing against FF games. The one who is actually to blame is Bamco for fucking them with Saga Ep.II

>>714860538
the teenage pregnancy story is not what I'd call "safe".

>>714896195
>teenage pregnancy
Never referred to as such.

>>714893130
The idea of switch to a mech on the fly in overworld is great

The big garages you can do it in are great

Only problem is the game’s small really, but that’s a poor criticism

>>714896332
yeah the game didn't feel the need to spell out what I can see with my eyes.

>>714860538
>goody-two-shoes
The protag with the highest canonical kill count, never spared any "hostile" Mobius and whose previous version ran away from the fighting, leaving people to die and then later actively participated in a genocide of his own descendants is the boring safe goody-two-shoes protag.

>>714897260
They're 19, not underage.

>>714897290
Noah and N aren't the same, the game tells you this multiple times.

>>714860184 (OP)
Wow I didn't know KOS-MOS was from Xenoblade

>>714890225
Just stop playing after chapter 12 then

>>714897421
what about the part where they literally merge and become the same person.
n, noah and his past lives, those are all noah, just noah surrounded by different people and different circumstances that lead him to make different decisions.

>>714897697
>those are all noah, just noah surrounded by different people and different circumstances that lead him to make different decisions.
So Noah would be a genocidal maniac if his Mio somehow died, like N's did?
Doesn't sound like much of a "hero" if he only does the right thing when he benefits from it.

>>714897697
>what about the part where they literally merge and become the same person
You might have a point if Noah acted any differently after that. But his personality never changes at any point in the game. He starts off hating war and ends the game hating war.

NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOO WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SWITCH 2 PATCHES

>>714897897
I'm speaking of the point of the plot where he finally reconciles with his moebius self and they merge. that's not me trying to make a point this is something that literally happens as opposed to the game supposedly making it clear they're not the same person? the exact opposite is in the script and I'm not sure how you can miss that. you're trying to make a claim that the game explicitly rejects. I can even cite the ch 5 interlude where taion says it out loud for you.

i think it would be pretty cool if monolith's next game didn't have xeno in the title and wasn't a science-fantasy setting

>>714899038
The script can say whatever it wants but N and Noah never behave similarly. Ever. It's the epitome of "tell, don't show."

>>714895089
unironically thank you for making this reply

>>714899042
This. It should be full science and action

>>714899412
you went from the game says it multiple times to it's not meeting my subjective standard real fast.
whatever, you're not changing your headcanon.

>>714891237
Over the years I came to conclusion that bland happy end where everyone is happy and alive >>> misery porn. But I prefer the works with good mix of hope and despair.

>>714899832
>subjective standard
Tell don't show is never considered good writing lmao.

I want Monolith to reveal their Switch 2 game.

I'm bored of being stuck in discussions about 3 or X. The current Xenoblade moment in time in miserable and depressing.

>>714900208
It always is. There will always be shitposting and there will always be tribalistic infighting.

The threads about 2 and 1DE were bad too. Shit only gets marginally better during the prerelease cycle for a new entry. At all other times these threads are almost entirely populated by concern trolls and secondaries

>>714900208
We will get Switch 2 versions of 1,2,3 before they reveal it. A lot of the problems in those games can't be fixed just by a free update. I expect the next game in the series to be revealed in September 2026, releasing in April 2027.

>>714897828
Noah literally says as much. The only way that they were different is that Noah got lucky. If Noah was in the same circumstance as N, he would have made the same choice.

>>714901515
Sounds more like a villain than a hero.

>>714860184 (OP)
>What the fuck happened the the Xeno series?
Square had more quality control over Xenogears

>>714901563
Sounds human, which is the point of the series. Hero, villain, only labels that we ascribe to other people based on a set of moralistic values that we value or deride. Noah is only the hero because of he was able to make the right choice based on the environment that he grew up in. He could have easily fallen into despair if everything went wrong, just as N did. Sometimes we feel like there is no way out, we take the path of least resistance, just as N did, because he wanted to be happy with Mio at the end. Z offered him that happiness if he just gave up on defeating Mobius and that was good enough for him.

>>714891237
You sound safe and boring.

>>714901767
>Sounds human,
Lmao. Unlike Noah, Rex wouldn't have condemned everyone in the world to suffer in literal eternal hell just because his waifu died. When Rex thinks Pyra/Mythra are doing to die, he understandably breaks down but then one of the first things he does afterward is hold out his hand to help Poppi. And Rex is also several years younger than Noah is.
Can you even imagine Noah doing something like that immediately after he found out Mio is going to die? I absolutely cannot. That's why he isn't a hero or a good person. In the execution scene, he won't even pick up his sword until he knows that his Mio is alive.
He doesn't do the right thing because he has a strong moral compass or anything like that. He only does the right thing when he's in a situation where he'll benefit from it, which is not heroic. A hero does the right thing no matter what.
>Hero, villain, only labels that we ascribe to other people based on a set of moralistic values that we value or deride
Leftist nonsense. Good and evil are clearly defined.

>>714902151
>good and evil are clearly defined
I’ve never understood how anyone with such an incurious view of the world and people could enjoy art

>>714902091
Darkness induced audience apathy is a thing

If your setting is a complete shithole, the audience has no reason to care about it or the characters that live in it

>>714902384
Not an argument.

>>714902151
>author's self-insert can't be evil
What's your point?

>>714902393
>If your setting is a complete shithole, the audience has no reason to care about it or the characters that live in it
That explains why no one cares about XC3.

>>714902437
You have poor reading comprehension.

>>714902437
So you agree that Noah is not a good person or a hero?

>>714902426
Good thing I’m not the person you were replying to, nor was I trying to argue with you

>>714902587
Concession accepted.

>>714902151
Good and Evil are, but not Hero and Villain, especially when we have two nations that are both fighting for literally the same thing. We only think the other as villains when we are trying to survive, using it to justify to ourselves our inability.
Other then that though, I agree. Noah is an absolute shit pile of a character. They wanted to make a story about war, with a character that hates war, but also at the same time is a character that is perpetuating that war, through his inaction in all senses. The scene you are speaking of is supposed to be Noah realizing that inaction is not moralistic. He is supposed to realize that he and N are the same, broken by the war, just in different ways. N took an action, even if it wasn't to the benefit of ending the war, but he still did something. Noah had to move on, to stop being scared of losing Mio because of the war, letting inaction guide him. Only when he was willing to finally let her go and continue on, was he rewarded. Unfortunately the scene really isn't well composited and the message really falls flat because Noah doesn't have a good arc.

>>714860184 (OP)
>To go from Xenogears and Xenosaga to Blushy Crushy and generic anime tropes is utterly embarrasing.
hmmm yeah, Xenogears and Xenosaga, known for their incredibly mature, thought provoking writing for sophisticated adults such as myself...

>>714903051
>"NOOOOOOO, YOU CAN’T LIKE A COMPLEX STORY! IT’S JUST PRETENTIOUS TRASH! YOU HAVE TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE! LOOK AT THIS ONE SINGLE OUT OF CONTEXT DIALOGUE, THAT PROVES EVERYTHING!

>>714903707
>Xenogears
>Complex story

As I was playing XDE I was hoping it would be leading up to a sequel (prior to me playing chapter 13) but now thinking about it, I'm kind of glad we aren't going in that direction. X has an interesting aspect in that it's the only game in the series with two different combat modes (Ground and Skell) that can usually be independent from one another. People usually argue that the Skell combat is inferior to the ground gear, but I will say it was nice to just have a mode that wasn't streamlined into the ground combat. If they made a sequel to X that expanded upon the Skells, I would be worried that they would make it mandatory. Think about how 3's Ouroboros forms kind of slogged the game's combat (and chain attacks pretty much always finishing with the Ouroboros attacks). I'm worried current Monolith would make Skell combat that much of a drag.

>>714903051
>what’s a matter
>too DEEP for you?

>>714906437
>protag age = target age
this but ironically

>>714906926
That's not always the case, but most of the time, people want to see characters their own age doing cool stuff

Making your protagonist the same age/gender as your intended audience is an easy way to get them to relate to them

Well I fucken like Xenoblade, bros.

>>714907338
Likewise

>>714884495
I still can't believe that XCXDE actually added Space Jannies

>>714860184 (OP)
Xenosaga has the magical girl Minky Momo running around flashing her panties 24/7 but one hot spring scene in game 2 of the series that started as a generic shounen revenge story and you niggers start crying “WHEN DID IT TURN INTO GENERIC ANIME!?” It always was.

>>714895286
I'd actually have no problem if it is that stuff. Just have it be its own thing or the start of a new universe of some sort.

>>714871853
I don’t mind that most people prefer the dubs since that’s almost always the case but the fact some will sperg out if you compliment the OG cast is cringe

For the next game I would:
>get rid of the ten thousand collectibles that barely have a use
>try to minimize regularly having to go into the menus
>have a class system but don't require constantly switching classes or class points go to waste
>keep the combat party based and real time
>stop padding the game with ridiculous amounts of side quests that just have no point to existing beyond very minor world building at best

I have no issue with the golden hearted 'power of friendship' we must carve our own path style of story telling. That's basically what I play jrpg's every now and then to appreciate. Childlike optimism.

>>714875905
Damn straight, that design looks awesome

>>714860184 (OP)
Gears and Saga were shit.

Well Mitsuda retweeted the new RPG announcement from Monolith and he's not involved with the new Inazuma Eleven soundtrack (he's composed for every one of them) so good chance he's involved with Monolith's next RPG.

>>714911037
the shit*

>>714909025
they do all the shit that they accuse subfags of (which they do) with an added victim complex, it’s weird

>>714887895
Can I get a masculine man weilding a big metal sword instead?

>>714916519
Fuck off bot

>>714916706
Imagine making a bot to post "Fuck off bot" to any and all youtube links

>>714916903
>spam youtube links constantly with no other text
>surprised people think it's a bot

I want a story about regret, rebirth, and redemption. Would be fun to have the villains in Xenoblade be reborn as playable heroes. I understand this is camp corncheese though.

>>714860538
>completely flavourless goody-two-shoes
are you fucking retarded? Did you just miss the entire point of the character N and how he and Noah are literally and i mean literally the same person? That if Noah had been forced to go through what he had, he probably would have made the same decisions, and the Noah we know was born from N and M's regrets beacuse of how brutally fucked up things are. Holy shit i swear to god you secondaries have not played the game. Noah is not even remotely goody two shoes.

>>714917125
Noah and N are completely different characters with the same model. They don't even act similarly aside from the fact they're both obsessed with Mio.

>>714917208
>t. actual retard
No, they are the same person, they have the exact same biology. The only differences between them is that N is given the memories of all the other Noah's where as our Noah gets to see the results of what N does.

>>714917291
>they have the exact same biology.
What does that have to do with personality/behavior, retard?
Noah and N act like completely different people.

>>714916987
How would a bot:
A. find Xenoblade links among the slew of trash on YouTube, including omitting multiple-part let's plays and the like
B. Properly link them and then bypass the capcha
C. Even if the other two are found to be correct, why not just start spamming then? Why not either wait the 60 seconds or use one of the alternative 4chan links to flood the board?
I have better things to do than make a robot to hit copy then paste when I could do it myself.
https://youtu.be/gbUn5QQupp8?si=w26kcXwj5vPMJgFG

>>714875280
Yes.

>>714917428
Why do you just spam random shit then? You've done this for like 2 years. Are you a schizo?

>>714917364
They arent that different though, we literally see from all the flashbacks that other versions of Noah act very similarly to the one we have. and we also saw EXACTLY how N acted and thought before he made his decision to become N. All of those behaviours, desires, all of those exist inside of Noah. The only reason that Noah doesnt end up like N is because he gets the benefit of seeing what kind of man it would make him and what it would take to save Mio.

You know what, im not going to bother replying to someone who clearly either hasnt played the game or doesnt understand what they played. You are retarded. my 13 year old sister understood N and Noah better than you do. We literally and LITERALLY see that when Noah was in that cell, having to wait for Mio to die, completely powerless to do anything, he was feeling and acting JUST like all the other Noah's did in the past. So yes, they are VERY similar. You do not understand people, you are some autistic manchild who only looks at extremely superficial behaviors without understanding anything about motivations.

>>714917578
Because it's something that brings me joy, spreading memes to people who will enjoy the same thing as I.

>>714917649
>we literally see from all the flashbacks that other versions of Noah act very similarly to the one we have.
Yeah and none of them are edgelord faggots like N is.
>The only reason that Noah doesnt end up like N is because he gets the benefit of seeing what kind of man it would make him
Noah already acts completely differently from N from the beginning of the game when he doesn't even know about that.
>You know what, im not going to bother replying
Yeah go on and run away retard.

>>714917948
Not an argument.

>>714918883
Fuck off bot

>>714913075
No, they were genuinely dogshit games.

>>714860184 (OP)
xenogears should have been finished and xenosaga should have been yuri. you really think monolith can make good decisions? no, they cant.

>>714917680
Spreading memes is one thing, but dumping random YouTube vids with zero context is literally the most bot-behavior imaginable. If you actually want people to watch something, at least say what it is. You're not spreading joy, you're just cluttering the board like a rogue Night Phase Nopon.

>>714923903
I don't care if people watch or not. It's not my videos. And if you don't want to watch them, don't open them. Simple as that.

>>714924567
This thread is shit retard. Stop bumping it off page 10.

>>714925026
I will return the request. You have no reason to be here either. Anyway, here's Eunie

>>714925504
Why do you keep bumping this shitty troll thread retard?

>>714925539
If the thread is bad, what drew you to it? Surely you must have read the OP, and even then figured that you should stay. How come? Why do you keep bumping it too?

>>714925935
>no u parrot
lmao

>>714925984
That isn't a competent answer and you know that. If you have issue with the original post, then you have no more reason to be here than I do

>>714860184 (OP)
>definitive edition shulk
why do dis

>>714891237
>>714893471
>>714893538
>>714893818
>>714899925
blessed optimism chads

Best cast, probably because it has the least women in the main cast, and thus the least amount of inessential characters

>>714860184 (OP)
Shounen sells way more than Seinen coz children have a lot more free time and disposable income.
>>714863118
Yeah but it's gotten significantly worse over the years.
>>714887761
Yes there is. Shounen media is full of very specific things.

>>714929092
That's a long way to say
>I'm gay

>>714918883
Bro just dropped a link like it's 2007 and expects us to click it raw. At least give us a title, context, or even a cursed screenshot. This ain't your personal algorithm testing ground.

>>714872118
Played the shit out of Xenogears when it came out, it fucking ruled. But then you had a bunch of contrarian faggots on the AOL antagonist boards saying how Xenogears was the best RPG ever made and how FFVII was shallow and overrated. I miss the 90s.