Thread 714954016

Why do they fear this so much?

>>714954016 (OP)
I have petition fatigue

Because you touch yourself at night.

Stop killing threads.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL0BOM1rsyAGG13VToh5Az9gLYgDoLW0P&si=UFSInuLZ7cpZuSQR

This niggas been grinding for 10 years

>>714954016 (OP)
they will do nothing and win

>>714954016 (OP)
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>714956314
Let's go eat huh

>>714954101
I know you're probably just shitposting but when was the last time the left actually made a meme? They are just spamming antiwoke fatigue after stealing nigger fatigue. Is chud still the last meme they made

>>714954016 (OP)
You really can't fathom the horrors that can come out of this from the EU, and I hope we won't need to find out

>>714956314
Kill yourself. An easy analogy to make against you kikes are music albums- people have bought LPs for decades, they have sold/traded them or even given them away to friends, family, yard sales, or thrift stores. Music printed to vinyl, tape, CD, or whatever physical media do not come as the gold master. Software is much the same- the user gets a copy of the code to execute on his hardware, but he does not get the source code.

>>714957046
These people don't understand analogies, they read "anal orgy" and they think you're retarded because they have a mental problem.

>>714956314
>You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?
oh boy zoomers gonna really break when they reach adulthood
you can get kicked out of your own house by that logic btw

>>714958136
You absolutely can get kicked out of your house if you stop paying property taxes and if you are a brit... oh boy

Because it's not going to affect anything. Stop pushing for it because it's going to limit freedom of expression and be completely ineffectual. It's the wrong conversation and it's not going to address any issue.

>>714957046
Albums are digital now, cope.

>>714954016 (OP)
Because it forces them to spend 5$

>>714958136
Wait... you think they can't kick you out of your house?
Nigger in most countries they can kick you out simply because they want to build a road through it lmao

>>714954016 (OP)
Corpos would literally kill 2 billion people in the most gruesome way possible if it meant their profit margins would increase by 1%
SKG is bound to force competition. only gigacorps can afford making GaaS slop full of FOMO garbage, with SKG they might actually need to start paying attention to the actual quality of the product meaning lower profit margins.

>>714958827
But what will become of society if we turn back progress and get the AAA industry of 2004-2009?

>>714958341
I signed when it came out
But a couple days ago I started thinking: Do we REALLY want the EWW to put its disgusting monster paws in this and do who knows what the fuck, AND make them take extra notice of the industry instead of just not buying dogshit games? Do we REALLY?
Because we are talking shit like
>You now need to register your ID document to the game purchase, since it's yours! You don't mind giving the game company your ID, do you?

>>714958698
>>714958269
it's the goddamn opposite for fuck sake
zoomer think he can't be able to be kicked out of hsi house because mmuh laws are msotly some imaginery rules written on paper so you cannot get kicked out when paying for something so material as brick house
but then you can get stripped out of digital game because it's mmuh digital and not material

>>714958904
Statistically the best time to be alive. Corpos started to pump out dogshit after that leading to increased suicide rates. They should be held accountable for causing an (inter)national mental health crisis with their slop

People are still talking about this communist shit? This shit is old news now. Nobody with an actual life cares.

>>714954016 (OP)
Ever notice how both this and gamergate have a controller in their logo?
Curious.

>>714954016 (OP)
You just don't understand. You can't expect companies to release their copyrighted and patented source code because it would infringe IP laws. You don't buy the game you buy a license to access an experience.

>>714954016 (OP)
People don't actually need video games like they do with banks or transport. Those are industries that actually have a lot of leverage as a result. And so, of course publishers are going to come together and shit their collective pants over regulation within a lucrative region.

>>714960102
A generic but copyright-free, identifiable means to indicate that a movement is vidya-adjacent.

>>714954016 (OP)
because video game publishers dont see games as art, they see them as disposable products you're meant to buy, maybe use and then discard for the new one, SKG would actually give consumers the ability to play their old games and if they play old games they're not buying the new games and more importantly it's ocean of microtransactions.

>>714956314
Your store page says "buy game" and is priced with similar titles that I get to keep in perpetuity. Maybe you should revise your pricing and labelling because this does not sound like a game.

>>714960192
is this is fucking reasoning for not documenting and making shit unreadable code? he really is a nepo baby holy shit

>>714960705
On the contrary. He documents EVERYTHING, even simple variable assignments, because his code is so full of spaghetti and magic numbers that even he can't understand it.

>>714960906
oh god, are there any examples of this mess?

>>714956314
Retard.

You dont "Buy ticket to videogame" you literally "Buy a videogame" or more precise "Buy a videogame copy" and that means you should have access to it forever no matter what.

In terms of tickets you jave described that you have access to specific thing for specific time for example cinema ticket clearly describes that ticket is for specific movie that starts at specific hour and will last specific amount of hours.

While you buy videogame there is no ticket that tells you you have access to specific videogame for specific time period, which bu default means there is no time limit therefore dev taking away access to videogame you bought means he is stealing from you.


>>714954016 (OP)
Because these will prevent stealing and one of the biggest anti consumer practices made by AAA publishers. They will be forced to make new games good because they wont be able to taka away access to old games from you

>>714956314
>you don't own services which means you don't own anything

>>714956417
>Is chud still the last meme they made
can you really even count that as a win, when chuds themselves have embraced it and laughed at the attempt?

>>714961278
>that means you should have access to it forever no matter what.
according to who

>>714959642
I am not reading that
Learn to write

>>714961387
You sold me a copy of your game not a time-limited access to your servers.

>>714961576
You were sold a license to play a video game which may be terminated at the discretion of the licensor

>>714961270
Look up heartbound code review. A couple people have done it. One took his video down because Jason sicced his audience on him. Also if you decompile the code what you get is almost exactly as comprehensible as what he has shown on stream. Although he's only shown it on stream a couple times out of like hundreds of hours of streaming.

>>714960705
No, it is more complicated than that
It is his reasoning for documenting shit, unreadable code
You document it thoroguhly so that you can have shit like
> int a = c-5

>>714958347
>instead of trading it with your friends, you can just copy the files and distribute it to them
Is that supposed to be some sort of own?

>>714961387
article 7 of the EU directive 'on certain aspects concerning contracts for the supply of digital content and digital services' states that digital content must remain accessible and usable throughout the contract period (for services) or for one-off purchases (items closer to goods, such movies, music and video games) for a period expected by the consumer
recital 47 of the same directive adds that consumers should keep access to content after download or streaming
>>714961617
>at the discretion of the licensor
W R O N G
Article 14, 'Termination of the contract' states that termination is only allowed under specific conditions, such as lack of conformity to the contract by the consumer (ie, a gross violation of the terms of service such as re-selling it third-party). Sellers do not have blanket rights to revoke access to a consumer's purchased digital licenses and those licenses must still give the consumer access to a functional piece of content as outlined in article 7.

>>714961270
Look at this shit.

>>714961842
Yeah so they can terminate your contract under certain conditions, like maybe if the game isn't profitable anymore
Which is exactly why this is happening in the first place

>>714961968
Does game maker have associative arrays or maps?

>>714961367
I wouldn't even count it as an attempt if it came from anybody else. Those lobotomites really though the combination of chad & stud was an insult.

>>714962012
Can you read? Or do you think I'd just leave out one such condition being "don't wanna"? The conditions involve the consumer being in breach of the contract. That's basically it. Otherwise, one-time purchases (such as a game on steam or any other digital distribution platform) must be available and functional indefinitely. This is already existing law, it's just been done quietly and only now are people finally trying to hold companies responsible for doing it.

>>714954016 (OP)
>why do they fear making less money?

>>714961968
What the fuck is that case with the steps brother what the fuck

>>714962271
>The conditions involve the consumer being in breach of the contract.
No, that's just one example

>>714961968
I get irrationally angry at these pics and the retards spreading them. There are so many valid reasons to hate this roach, but this code is not one of them, it's mediocre at worst. Just the fact that this retard properly indents and semicolons his lines puts him in top 10% gml codes I've seen written.

>>714962485
I'd say it is a little below mediocre. The problem is that he paints himself as a game dev with 20 years of experience when he actually has no professional game dev experience and his code shows that he is significantly worse than most self taught programmers who have been doing it for this long.
I should know since I am self taught with no college degree and got myself a job as a systems software developer.

>>714962476
It is quite literally the only "example" in the law. Meaning it is the only legally ordained means by which a company can consider the contract null and thus renege on their end of said contract. Anything else would be considered a breach of contract on their part and thus be illegal.

>>714961732
No, digital as in streaming services. People don't even hoard mp3s anymore.

>>714954016 (OP)
Numerous reasons mainly pertaining to dogshit GaaS games.

>Microtransactions
Can't sell people microtransactions if they can just pop into a private server and use those items for free, and those files have to be preinstalled for other players to see them which means that everyone has them preinstalled. The only thing stopping you from using microtransaction content on any multiplayer game nowadays is the fact that the servers verify "ownership" and ban you. The group lobbying against SKG (Video Games Europe) were also the same guys who said lootboxes were "surprise mechanics" and lobbied against them being classified as gambling.

>Spyware/Anti-cheat
Plenty of competitive online games come with literal kernel-level rootkits to spy on the user and steal their data, it's literally stated in the EULA of plenty of these games that telemetry data and diagnostic data will be gathered and potentially sold to "partners" in order to keep the game running. The fear is that if users gain access to this then they could potentially land the IP owners in hot water with the authorities (and especially with the EU's GDPR laws). This is going to hurt companies like Riot and games like LoL and Valorant particularly hard.

>Planned Obsolescence
Very reminiscent of Right to Repair. Games are sold with planned obsolescence so they can shift users on to newer titles, like Overwatch 1 shutting down for the sake of forcing players to move to Overwatch 2. If the rights owners weren't at liberty to shut down the game, then their sequels will probably get less activity which means monthly active users which is terrible for shareholders who need to see those stats.

>Control
The group that is lobbying against SKG admitted this. Companies want to control free speech on their platforms and they can't do that with private servers.

Plenty of these things are why games are so dogshit nowadays, so SKG kills multiple shitbirds with one stone. Anyone against SKG is a jeet or jew.

>>714962789
>It is quite literally the only "example" in the law
No it's not
Providing one example does not mean

>>714962789
>>714962971
Sorry, providing one example does not mean it's the only valid example, it's one ONE example, there's plenty of other reasons that could be considered valid, like they could easily make the case that they had to shut it down for finanical reasons and this could be considered valid

>>714962476
That’s the only valid reason a contract can be terminated without the trader needing to reimburse the consumer pursuant to article 16 of the EU Directive 2019/770.

>>714956314
>>714956930
>>714958347

>>714962938
>People don't even hoard mp3s anymore
Speak for yourself, pleb.

When gaming dies as a hobby what other hobby should I pursue?

>>714962749
I get the desire to shit on him for that, but like, god, the reality of gamedev is that everyone cuts corners all the time, everyone's code is like that. I have seen some retard make a response video, he showed like, a line of alarms set to 0 and went "Would someone with 7 years coding experience do that?" and I just wanna reach in and strangle that retard. Yes, i have seen people with 15 years of experience do much stupider shit for the sake of convenience.

>>714963158
I don't know about you, but I'll be making my own games.

>>714963006
Hey, I don't know if you understand what 'laws' are, but if you try to pull
>well your honor, there's plenty of possible reasons for killing another person, obviously not all of them are spelled out in existing self-defense code
in court it's not going to work. It is not an 'example', it is a 'law'. It is not giving an example in the first place, it is defining what it means for the consumer to be in breach of contract and thus allow the seller to terminate the contract. I should have corrected you earlier but I didn't think you were this stupid.
And if you pull
>uh this and murder are really different
I will find you.

>>714963094
On which point does it say that?

>>714963196
The game making grift is over though. This petition killed it, it's not sustainable anymore, we can't scam steamtards anymore.

>>714963247
Don't care. I'll be making my own games and mods and sharing it with other autists. Just like in the good old days of newgrounds.

>>714963219
>It is not giving an example in the first place, it is defining what it means
No it's not. It says "such as". Such as means it's one example. If there's an exhaustive list of terms that says when termination is ok, then it hasn't be posted, maybe you can post it

>>714962956
A lot of your post is only relevant to games that are still active and being supported. SKG isn't advocating for private servers for games that are still alive and you can still play them through official servers.
Same with Spyware, why would users gain access to any sort of spyware when they could just have basic peer to peer private server functions (guaranteed to already have in some form already as part of testing) as their end of life plan?
>Planned Obsolescence
True. Only real valid point in your post.
>Control
Again there isn't going to be a weird divide of a game that is actively being milked having official and private servers.

I'd recommend reading into SKG's aims because you make it sound retarded and as if there is going to be some stupid community vs corp war in games they haven't bricked and abandoned. When the aims of SKG are extremely reasonable.

>>714963313
Do you honestly believe "we'd make less money" is a valid reason for terminating a contract and depriving the customer of their product?

>>714963158
>gaming dies as a hobby
uhh, anon, what about your 2k+ steam backlog?

>>714963098
That is very cool anon, what the fuck does that have to do with the EU fucking you in the ass as a result of this?

>>714963225
>>714961842
> Article 14, 'Termination of the contract' states that termination is only allowed under specific conditions, such as lack of conformity to the contract by the consumer (ie, a gross violation of the terms of service such as re-selling it third-party). Sellers do not have blanket rights to revoke access to a consumer's purchased digital licenses and those licenses must still give the consumer access to a functional piece of content as outlined in article 7.
Article 16 - Obligations of the trader in the event of termination
> 1. In the event of termination of the contract, the trader shall reimburse the consumer for all sums paid under the contract.

>>714963381
No, of course not
But "we cannot support this game anymore, it costs too much" is

>>714963138
Ok, but it's getting harder to find albums to download. Enthusiasts either rely on Spotify or buy vinyls. The old way is disappearing.

>>714954016 (OP)
Game Companies need control over when a game can be killed so they can try and sell you the next slop.
A good game with a great framework for mods can last someone decades at a single one off price point over buying SlopGame: Directors Cut Remastered only for it to be killed off after a year for Slop Game 2: Founders Edition.
No I will not buy your next game in turn based tactics franchise (tm), I shall simply load up a new game of X Piratez for X Com.

>>714963159
Yeah that guy's criticisms were kinda valid kinda not. He hopped on the sloptube train without making any real effort to read gml documentation. I read it because I was curious and the language seems pretty crap but if he had just taken 5 minutes he could have given more constructive criticisms. For the alarm thing it would've been nice to see something like alarm[ALRM_WHATEVER] = 0 instead of more magic numbers. The C++ grifter's criticism about not using a loop there was retarded though. On the other hand, the storyline_array thing really is awful and virtually anything would be better. I have a theory that Jason did it that way because that's how rpgmaker does variables (not sure if that is still the case).

>>714963159
Making a switch case with 999 steps and several steps are
>1 go to 2, 2 go to 3, 3 go to 4
Is not convenience
He is just a fucking retard
I can perfectly understand just repeating something 3 times instead of making a complex as fuck loop, but what he is doing is not that

>>714963496
Real enthusiasts are downloading flacs or buying vinyls as you said. No "enthusiast" is gonna settle for shitty bitrate on spotify, that's like going back to cassette tape audio quality.
>it's getting harder to find
Harder yes, but not impossible.
Only normalfags use spotify.

>>714963458
They are the same statement in the end.
>it costs us money so fuck you, we're taking your product away
If you can't keep up with maintaining the product but the contract is still valid then you can issue refunds. If you can't afford that then maybe you shouldn't have entered into a contract.
I'm really bored of circular reasoning so I'm just going to leave you with a link to the law.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj
It's really transparent and in plain english, there's nothing complex about it. If you still can't understand it then have chatgpt or grok or whatever try to explain it to you because I no longer have the desire to do so.

>>714963458
Do you know how much a server costs?
Do you know how much it costs if you own it?

>>714956314
the vidya company shills didn't send their brightest today

>>714963615
>They are the same statement in the end.
No they aren't
One is "I don't want to", the other is "I can't"
One is valid and the other is not

>>714963651
Yes, it's cheap, but it's easy to make a bullshit argument since it's not really provable

>>714956314
You really have to be fucking retarded to make a park analogy in eu because both eu and local gov will literally demolish a mall, bulldoze a parking lot, reap 2 lanes from the road and make it a “walking zone” just to have the park extended

>>714963383
>Stop Killing Games is bad because... Corporations just say it is OK?

>>714963718
>I can't
if you're going bankrupt there are a whole different set of laws to protect you from things like this
ubisoft and most other publishers are not in such a situation, they can easily afford the things the law tells them to do, but would rather skirt around it to save money

>>714956314
Man, more the time pass more the counter argument from AAA shill are getting shittier.

>>714963458
It isn’t.

>>714963750
How is it not provable tho

>>714963845
"I can't" is not just we're going bankrupt, you can easily make a case that it just isn't profitable and the games been out for a few years and nobody is playing it anymore, we're gonna give months notice and shut it down, that'd be a very easy case to make

>>714963718
>”i cant”
But they very well can? Publishing source code is free.

>>714963957
Have you ever had a job?

>>714963359
>SKG isn't advocating for private servers for games that are still alive and you can still play them through official servers.
Try reading the aims and goals of SKG again. SKG wants all games to have an EOL plan during the development stage. Why would any company who is planning on releasing private servers for a game they're making do it near the end of the life cycle? They would likely make private servers a function in the game on release so they don't need to devote more resources to the EOL patch, working backwards is considerably more difficult at that stage and is not what SKG wants at all since it wants devs to consider the EOL stage before the game has even released.
Even if they were to potentially release private servers in an EOL patch, that just means players will wait for the game to die before buying all the slop microtransactions that they would've needed to buy during the game's life cycle, so my point is still applicable even in that case.
>why would users gain access to any sort of spyware when they could just have basic peer to peer private server functions
Most games don't use P2P anymore. That's something that they would need to add on top if they were to release private servers.
>Again there isn't going to be a weird divide of a game that is actively being milked having official and private servers.
They literally admit to it in their article on SKG. Their excuse for not having an EOL plan is "hate speech" which they feel would make them liable. They don't care whether it's during the life cycle of the game or past it, they still want that control.
>I'd recommend reading into SKG's aims because you make it sound retarded and as if there is going to be some stupid community vs corp war in games they haven't bricked and abandoned.
You're incredibly short-sighted and low IQ if you think this won't have ramifications on game monetization, moderation, and the likes.

>>714963767
That is very cool anon, but can you answer the fucking question you absolute retard

>>714964016
Answer the question

>>714962485
>Just the fact that this retard properly indents and semicolons his lines puts him in top 10%
You mean the thing that is automatically done by any formatter like biome? If anything the "quality" of his comments are what really shows how bad he is, it's all shit that requires extra context, making them shit by themselves.

Stop SKG Game when?

>>714964119
I got you pal

>>714964091
How do you prove how much work something is going to take when it's up to the person doing the work?

I don't think retards understand that its politicians who are going to control this
Is not (You) anon
I know you want them to just have a way to play offline
The politicians don't give a fuck about that

>>714964115
There's nothing strictly wrong with overly verbose comments, especially if he's using magic numbers and he's streaming the code

>>714963959
You need to reimburse me for my lost utility when you terminate game functionality.

>>714964221
>work
Its literally just money and some maintenance from the guy that does maintenance anyways
You can simply extrapolate from the costs of renting a server to argue they are fucking lying

>>714964174
Is this game good enough to spark this movement?

>>714963359
>why would users gain access to any sort of spyware when they could just have basic peer to peer private server functions (guaranteed to already have in some form already as part of testing) as their end of life plan?
some games literally have microtransaction based matchmaking like call of duty, why the fuck would devs release a server browser for the game near the end of its life cycle when they have another game coming that they want people to be hyped for? that would just cannibalize sales because it's a new feature for an old game people loved

>>714963597
>alarm[ALRM_WHATEVER] = 0 instead of more magic numbers
Nobody in their right mind would do that for something that takes 5 seconds to write and is then never touched again. I have never in my life seen somebody use a magic number for alarm indices.

>>714964318
You could say that we need to maintain and patch the servers or all sorts of bullshit

Even more leftists are calling out SKG. It really is becoming Gamergate again. Fucking hell

>>714963604
Switch cases allow you to pass multiple values for one function
switch(whatever){
case 1:
case 2:
DoShit();
break;
}
Will do shit for both 1 and 2
>b-but what if I have to DoShit for 1 and something extra for 2????
Then refactor your code fucking retard

>>714964446
*anything other than a magic number, fuck

>>714964023
People seem to genuinely think this is not going to have ramifications that are going to rape them in the ass for whatever reason
Yes anon, either the EU or the companies OR BOTH are definitely not going to squeeze something through to assfuck you
Don't worry, you will just have your MMO playable offline, surely that is what you are going to get

>>714956314
This is the stupidest shit I've ever read. Sure I can't own the concept of playing Tennis but I can own a racket, a tennis ball and a tennis court. I can't own the concept of a 3D platformer but I sure can own a copy of Donkey Kong Bananza.

I can't own the concept of watching a movie but I can own a blu-ray. I can't own the concept of driving a car but I can own a car. I can't own the concept of reading but I can own a book.

But you already know this, you're just doing a really poor attempt at trolling.

>>714964485
0.0015 Thorcoins have been deposited to your account.

>>714964485
You know that SKG is a leftist movement right

>>714964504
I dont know what does that have to do with anything BUT I actually didn't know that (or I forgot, also possible)
Thanks

>>714963359
>SKG isn't advocating for private servers for games that are still alive and you can still play them through official servers.
SKG wants an end of life plan. That means it wants them to consider it before the game is even released. Devs considering EOL just before EOL actually happens is not what SKG actually wants.

>>714964485
>well is already poisoned
i expected this to happen but not this quick
i give up
the jews are too powerfull

>>714954016 (OP)
Because the EU actually listens to it's citizens, and can see why there IS an issue
Companies are just playing a tiny violin because modern practices have become too expensive with all the useless visual meme tech, and modern gaming practices are reverse engineered to benefit shareholders and not consumers
OF COURSE companies wouldn't like it
I bet if we went back to PS3 level tech, we'd see a lot less of the garbage trends fucking everything up today. But that would never work/ happen because spectards are too conditioned to expect MOAR

>>714964686
>Owning the things you buy
>Leftist
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>714963359
>game company wants to hype up AlwaysOnlineShit 2, coming this Fall!
>release private server functionality for smash hit game AlwaysOnlineShit 1, taking all the steam out of AlwaysOnlineShit 2
Think before you post, fucking hell.

>>714964740
>Because the EU actually listens to it's citizens
HASHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHSAHSAHAHAHSHASHSAHGTPEWHSDJKF
Holy shit you fucking ANIMAL where the fuck have you crawled out from

>>714964446
>>714964558
Fair enough. I haven't used gml and my understanding is that alarms are used for event signalling so I assumed that using a macro/enum ID would be better under the assumption that these events weren't one-offs. storyline_array is still shit.

>>714964686
SKG is wuite literally omnigamer movement.
>musk, grumz, and other right wing media figures support it
>reddit GG subs support it
>reddit tranny subs support it
>reddit normie subs support it
>imgboards support it
The inly people against this are corpo shills and consequently (((vidya journos)))

>>714964686
It was supposed to be, just like Occupy Wall Street. But journalists flipped the narrative and made it seemed like a harassment campaign, calling them bigots, racists, every trick in the book.

>>714964561
I don’t understand these asinine posts. Publishers without oversight have never once erred towards the consumer without an ulterior motive. The track record of the industry shows that they will fuck the consumer in the ass at every opportunity without fail, while the EU has shown to be capable of policies that protect consumers.
If the industry showed any ability to self regulate people might buy the scaremongering line of big government.

>>714964561
I'm not eating high fructose corn syrup like you faggot ass Americans are, neither do I have diabetes, and I can charge through USB-C on my iPhone. This is literally the Mad Men meme with Americans saying to Euros "I feel bad for you" and Euros being like "I don't think about you at all". That's literally what it is. We won.

Wanting government intervention in business activities is what socialism does.

>>714964905
If video journalists are so against it, how come there is barely any articles out that is against it?

>>714964827
Consumer rights are leftist, yes

>>714964952
I 100% agree. You should be able to just take whatever you want and replicate it as many times as you want.

>>714964952
>socialism is when goods are exchanged and rights alongside them
Americans have been living under corporatism all this time they have no idea what capitalism actually is

>>714964952
The corrupted US capitalism is worse than socialism

>>714954016 (OP)
because your rights are diametrically opposed to corporate profit maximization. the more rights you have, the less they can exploit you

>>714965013
They're planting the seeds of doubt already by associating SKG with controversial figures like Asmongold, Pewdiepie and Elon Musk.
>This is a massive win for fans of the movement, no doubt triggered by increased exposure from controversial content creators like PewDiePie, MoistCritikal, Asmongold and even Elon Musk. But at what cost..

Expect them to outright call SKG = Gamergate in the coming weeks as we draw closer to the deadline.

>>714964952
You are trying to make that a thing aren’t you
You think games should be removed from play because a corporation decides to delete everything because it want to?
Honestly you sound like a child that doesn’t want other kids to play with their toys

>>714965136
The world wide death tolls under socialism tend to disagree.

>>714963098
OY VEYYYYYYYY ANTI-SEMITE! take this down!

>>714963959
>it just isn't profitable
doesn't matter
>and nobody is playing it anymore
unless that means "nobody bought it", it doesn't matter
>we're gonna give months notice and shut it down
sure, as long as you stipulate that in the original contract and make plans to reimburse customers
just because you made a shitty product doesn't mean you can just snatch it away from paying customers when it doesn't meet quota

>>714965073
I don’t think you know a thing that you talk about

Let's assume that 25% of signatures are invalid. Then 1.000.000 is the 75%.

1000000 / 0,75 = x / 1

x ≈ 1333334

We need at least 1.333.334 signatures to be safe.

>>714954016 (OP)
They are scared because they know that, with the EU, there is actually a chance they are not allowed to be abusive anymore.

>>714964952
>idpol divide and conquer shit
don't care, this benefits me and all other consumers

>>714965136
Yes, they suffer from success

>>714954016 (OP)
Even if it's as unessential as video games, thinking that when you buy thing you own thing has to be suppressed.

>>714965301
>doesn't matter
It does actually, that would be considered a valid excuse alongside other things
Not making ENOUGH money would not, but if it doesn't make enough money to justify its existence

>>714954016 (OP)
The long and short of it is that it threatens the industry's collective vision for a future where all games are services they can kill at will to keep the market jumping to new games. They're tired of having to compete with older games essentially, if there are no older games, then they don't have to compete and can lower their standards even further.

>>714965206
>Expect them to outright call SKG = Gamergate in the coming weeks as we draw closer to the deadline.
That's literally happening right now. It has now ~1 300 000 signatures, and you can see this retarded narrative jumping out of the woodwork with increased frequency.
It's interesting to watch it in real time, the corporate basically owning leftists (who claim to be against the corporate) will never stop being funny to me.

>>714965346
> They are scared because they know that, with the EU, there is actually a chance they are not allowed to be abusive anymore.
My main worry is the politician is going to misconstrue the plight the same way that piratesoftware did
Here’s hoping they’re not that out of touch

>>714956314
This is even dumber than the car analogy I saw you using earlier. The bait is still well made and you still got me, so you know what you're doing, I'll grant you that.

Because they can't milk retards dry without killing games.
It's just like how the average "remaster" contains just random shit you could easily mod into the game for free together with compability fixes, but selling the same game twice is more profitable.

>>714965416
What older games have even been killed besides some crazy ones like Concord and Lawbreakers?

>>714956314
>park analogy

>>714964405
It doesn't matter if it was The Crew, Lost Planet, or Concord that sparked the movement. I don't want any owned vidya made inaccessible because of publisher greed.

>>714954016 (OP)
they do not like the idea of people owning anything

>>714965206
>They're
>Posts 1 editorial from a eceleb gossip site
I know it's a meme and all, but you might just have negative media literacy.

>>714956314
You do know that parks are usually public property right?
You are free to access them whenever you want

>>714965475
>My main worry is the politician is going to misconstrue the plight the same way that piratesoftware did
They debunked the ferret fucker's entire point in the little blurb they added on to the guide they have for initiatives on their official site. I think it's fair to assume that they aren't going to fall for that line.

>>714965529
Lost Planet isn't live service, the single player still works fine.

>>714965436
It will never stop being funny watching these anti-capitalist, anti-establishment leftists defend them every time under the guise of protecting the minorities, 'lgbt' and the disabled.

>>714965507
Dark Spore is LITERALLY unplayable to this day. Last time I checked, it was an achievement that the game could get past the main menu and into character creation.

>>714965230
That’s irrelevant. You ruled Dodge vs Ford wrong and now your shit plagues half of the world with oligarchy and slavery for profit. Your capitalism is neither valid nor true and when it inevitably catastrophically fails and drags half the world with it into shit you can ask for death toll. If someone will care to count.

>>714965436
>retarded narrative jumping out of the woodwork
As opposed to the endless bots and pajeet anti-skg campaign that has been happening for a year already?
Did you learn about this whole thing yesterday?

>>714965568
That faggot is probably an American or something.

>>714965647
>what is a narrative switch
Pajeets and bots were clearly not working, so they have switched to idpol/political drama instead. It's also kinda funny it happened just after the European lobby groups released their press message.

>>714965579
Thank god for that
They really have no argument at all then

So I guess it’s just the publishers wanting you to stop playing their old games to upsell you their new ones

>>714964035
How exactly does this result in the EU fucking me in the ass again?

>>714965606
>dark spore is a moba based on spore
oh no, anyways...

>>714965765
So yes. You learned about it yesterday and have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Maybe you are part of this "new" shill force and are just trying to confuse everyone with your random made up bullshit.

>>714965923
What the fuck are you even talking about, you massive retard.

>>714954016 (OP)
The reason why SKG has so many opponents on here is because Nintendo just released a console with Gamekey cards and console bricking terms.
/v/ is nintendo fan central so of course they must hate this.

>>714964616
>you're just doing a really poor attempt at trolling.
Then why did so many reply?

>3M views while defending PirateSoftware
They're really fucking at it now. They want people to feel sorry for PirateSoftware and call SKG another Gamergate.

>>714965961
You say they changed to political drama shit. It was that from the very start. You say it all started after the Euro loby group put out their statement, it started picking up again after Ross made his video.

So basically, you are a giggtard who doesn't know nor understand anything, yet are connecting random "facts" you invented from nothing.

I give it a 90% chance you are American, 10% chance you are a paid pajeet who thinks ai is magic and always correct.

>>714954101
I can tell you probably weren't online during the 2000s then, Petitions are relatively speaking endangered these days compared to back then.

>>714966136
>They want people to feel sorry for PirateSoftware
that's not the tone they're using

>>714966136
>They're
>It's the same person who made all the other posts

>>714966140
>reddit spacing
>calls others a retard

>>714966215
>Noooo it's reddit
Paid pajeet it was.

>>714954016 (OP)
>Why do they fear this so much?
Why does evil fear good? Videogame publishers are evil. Gamers are good. EU will stand on the side of good so evil fear it.

>>714966007
>nintendo fucks their customers raw
>something happens that might add lube
>nintendo customers have a visceral and violent reaction
Why are they like this?

>>714966289
Sunk costs fallacy. They have modelled their entire life around being a Nintendo fuckboy. Too late to change it now.

>>714966140
What a weird autistic hill to die on. Not only you are a massive fucking retard who can't even read a post he is responding to, that spergish self-importance is also a sight to behold.

>>714960102
>controllers are not video games, they are politics

>>714965206
GamerGate self sabotaged by allowing right wing grifters to take the lead. Corporations would love the same to happen to SKG.
They push DEI because that way than can defame critique of their business practices as hate speech.

I don't actually matter if they cry SKG is Gamergate 2. We live in different times from GG, I hope they don't expect the same results.

>>714966448
lol no, gamergate was “sabotaged” by the entirety of the games media
Don’t come here with your shitty history revisionism

>>714966372
>Y-you are just being autistic
You are the one choosing to die on the hill of you making up retarded nonsense with no correlation to reality.

This movement would make more sense if they made the claim before buying the games.

>>714963098
Obsolesce exists for many household appliances, anon.

>>714966578
Being filled with braindead chuds who was constantly sending death threats to every women they saw made that a whole lot easier.

>>714963608
>high bitrate MP3 is like cassettes!
no, retard

>>714954016 (OP)
Can one of the copro shills explain how I as consumer detriment from this?

>>714966574
The actual truth of that has also already made itself clear
How many games media sites have completely gone under since then

>>714966604
Someone should make some kind of campaign against that. Maybe It could be about having the right to repair your own things.

>>714956314
>this post again

>>714966690
Because uhhhh...

>>714966690
TOO THICK

>>714956314
>not physical products you can "own
Why do I have to install them on my hardwere then? Besides I still own and can play Unreal Tournament from 1999.

>>714966630
Sure it did anon, I bet Kotaku told you that
Next time do a bit of your own research instead blindly believing the people that were criticised in the first place

>>714966604
>and that's a good thing

>>714954016 (OP)
Because, unlike you, they think of the shareholders.

CAN'T SOMEONE, FOR JUST ONE SECOND, PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS?

>>714963432
that slime didn't (You) you, sir.
It's getting a script update from its master, but I am here to congratulate you on your victory

>70% overdrive
Do you think Jason cries himself to sleep at night, knowing had he not logged in at WoW that day the petition would've most likely failed?

>>714966604
And many of them can be repaired with some simple soldering

>>714963158
daytime drinking

brb, getting a beer

>>714966787
I HATE SHAREHOLDER PRIMACY
I HATE SHAREHOLDER PRIMACY

>>714966787
The shareholder that want people to stop playing their games?

>>714966854
The weak must fear the mold.

>>714966930
Shareholders are not the problem, stakeholders are

>>714966604
Do you want to get BTFO'd by a pet rock argument again?

>>714961367
Wow how could you tell that I'm a C.H.U.D.?

C: Kill all trooncels
H: Never mind they will jump off themselves
U:
D:

>>714964485
What controversy?
There is no controversy, all detractor voices so far have been industry shills.

>>714963098
What game died in 3 weeks? How much does a bike cost? How much a game?

>>714963098
you can tell a weeb made this comic because dialogues read from right side panel to left

>>714964952
Indeed. Now explain tariffs please.

>>714964485
What is with the history revisionism these people do
They made shit up constantly to keep access media and corruption going

>>714966787
If they really though of the shareholders they would already be trying to position themselves as companies making games that comply with the aims of the SKG initiative. Free advertising if you ask me.
>BUY OUR GAMES! WE WILL GIVE YOU DEDICATED SERVERS AT END OF GAME'A LIFE!
The actual cost of implementing this if it is planned from the ground up in negligeble. Even for games that this was not planned for generally need minor changes for dedicated servers/singleplayer/P2P or LAN to be implemented. Some CEOs are just too stupid or too slow to adapt to the coming changes. If it was i wouldn't even waste money to lobby against SGK. The lobby effort would cost them more than the implementation of the actual changes. Also the argument that keeping older games alive would kill sales for future sales is incredibly stupid since it only works if the future title is worse than the older game. Keping older games alive is actually a great way to keep people interested in the IP you own, it is free marketing. When you have an old game kept alive you already have a base of gamers invested in the IP.

>>714967221
What if I didnt eat breakfast this morning?

>>714967248
Pay 2 play

>>714966630
Are the death threats in the room with us right now?
>every women
Lel

>>714966136
What a petty piece of shit

>>714966574
Look at Splitgate 2, literally got killed because the dev wore a fucking "Make FPS great again" hat.
Gaming Media is ready to fucking kill

>>714964485
At least crop the views to so that maybe someone believes this is getting any kind of reach.

>>714967069
see>>714966861
you can repair things, but dont expect it to be unbreakable

>>714967390
Nah, splitgate is just too hard for most fps players unfortunately

>>714967327
That's not even the correct format of the meme.

>>714966136
>admits he's a loser
>doesn't elaborate
>leaves

>>714967010
I bet you thought you sound smart when you pressed "Post".

>>714967451
Things that are indestructible should not require repairs. The companies spent decades finding a way to destroy the indestructible and now that they have discovered it, they will jealously guard that ability.

I have yet to see anyone explain how Stop Killing Games is bad for the consumer without resorting to petty name calling or going on a tangent about the EU.

>>714967496
If you are unable to understand the change in the perspective of the question then it is working as intended

>>714966690
Dear god she wouldn’t get away with just one impregnation

>>714967451
How do you fix a game that needs to connect to a shut down server to function?

>>714967651
You don’t know the difference between them do you

>>714967274
I'm glad people are noticing. They just need to ask "who" is doing it next.

>>714967675
What if my car was red? This isn't how you answer to a question. You are just avoiding it because you know you can't move forward within the current circumstances.

>>714966604
Things slowly dying as a result of entropy is one thing (I should have the right to repair said thing), The publisher deliberately killing software I bought is another.

Looks like Capcom is the next one playing the victim!
>Developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”

>>714967674
Stop Killing Games is great for the consumer. Stop Killing Games is also great for any competent videogame developer/publisher.
>>714967716
Depends on how much game logic is serverbased. Sometimes a simple virtual server returning a ping is enough. Sometimes you need a private/dedicated server to handle game logic. There are numerous examples of games who dealth with those problems at the end of their pfficial support.

>>714967674
Because there's no argument about why it would be bad for the consumer. All "arguments" against SKG come from the corporations and their shills terrified that they may need to start making games that CAN'T get completely shut down only to be resold as a "sequel".

>>714964485
>corporations are threatened
>left wing activists primed for defense
Federal subversion of OWS and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race.

>>714961367
That's megacope with a side of nigger

>>714967716
Release the backend binaries so we can self-host our own instance.
If even ultra-locked, paywalled games like genshin impact can have a community reverse engineer a private server, then any game can do it.

Fuckin retards outsourcing even their psyops to pajeets.
You will never jew as hard as your forejews did.

>>714967870
If your car was red then you’d go faster
If you can’t understand a point of view other than your own you are only one step away from the original targeted meme

>>714968014
Imo private servers bring brought up actually hurts the initiative since it gives the retards a way out by saying "Well you can do that on your own already, we shouldn't have to work!" It takes people thousands of hours and extremely hard and difficult work to create private servers from nothing when the faggot corporations could do it in under a week.

>>714967674
One of the big points SKG keeps avoiding is how the initiative puts Indies at a severe disadvantage because while megacorps have the spending money to implement these changes, Indies are left in the dark.
It's always suspicious that new regulations always ultimately benefit the rich and kills off small businesses and independants.

>>714967716
You dont, buy a new game to play dude.

>>714968084
No the fucking bike question.

>>714967880
They aren't killing software you bought, if you're referencing a server based piece of software and the servers are shut down. That's software obsolescence

A gentle reminder that under U.S. law if you pay for cable TV you have every right to record the programs, copy them and watch them as you please.
All thanks to VHS and the fact that they spent 20 years developing vinyl records that play movies.

>>714968145
>left in the dark
Make a dedicated server like most indie games do?
Rust, Valheim, Palworld, Conan Exiles, Ark. Vast majority of multiplayer indie games are already SKG compliant since their very inception, there's only a small handful of outliers like Among Us.

>>714954016 (OP)
It goes against the goal of you owning nothing and being happy.

>>714968137
>hundreds of hours
>to create a dedicated server

>>714968235
>they aren't killing software you bought, they are killing software you bought
Are you fucking retarded? This is the equivalent of

>I did not shoot this man, I simply placed my gun in front of him and pulled the trigger

>>714968137
Fair enough I agree.
It's just that sometimes gamedevs come up with the excuse "but we would havê to provide documentation and support!!!". But most (if not all) private server communities are built with zero documentation to begin with.

>>714968137
The initiative is about making it a law that companies provide support for end of life. It does not matter that gamers were able to save a few games on their own, think of all the games that died and we could not save/preserve. Your argument is a bad argument. It is like saying ''Bobby was able to cure himself so nobody needs healthcare and hospitals''. Not all sickness is the same.

>>714968145
No developers should have to make games a certain way. It's on the consumers to buy what they want.

>>714968318
This is why we need the EU to regulate. God Bless the EU!

>>714954016 (OP)
The killing will stop.

>>714968306
It took a decade before WoW got stable, usable private servers.

>>714968320
>No plane makers should have to make ap lane a certain way, it's on the consumers to fly the right airlines
I wish for you to board one of those Boeing planes.

>>714968320
Proofs?

>>714968243
Those are just first person shooters.
The biggest types of Indies at risk are the ones who create revolutionary new experiences utilizing the blockchain, AI, and other emerging technologies. These aren't possible under SKG.

>>714968145
>muh indies
If you are a small indie dev and you make always online/live service shit, you're a massive retard. I already saw a bunch of indie shitters who tried to make online only shit years before SKG and they either flopped or had to cave in and add singleplayer mode.
Those indie online games that survived either have offline singleplayer or allow player hosted servers, so they are unaffected by SKG.

>>714968308
If you buy software that relies on a server and you don't like that then consider not buying it. It's not going out of their way to "kill" the software, when the servers go down it's done.

>>714968437
EU law begs to differ.

>>714968385
None of you have good analogies, you fundamentally do not understand these things at all.

>>714968320
No car manufacturer should have to make cars a certain way. It's on the consumers to buy what they want.

>>714968385
>Heavily regulated Airbus RAPES (((free market))) boeing
Fucking kino, corpo shills in shambles

>>714968492
Your kind does not like to lose.

>>714968465
Point out the nonexistent law

>>714968541
a plane? a car? software. Software.
If you buy software that requires a server, try not to cry when the server is down.

>>714968542
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/771/oj/eng

>>714968609
Physical goods are much harder to produce and modify and yet their makers comply with these regulations. But the moment software makers are asked to be held to a certain kind of standard suddenly I am told that "they should not be told how to make those things", hmm, I wonder why?

>>714968320
>No developers should have to make games a certain way. It's on the consumers to buy what they want.
I bet that carmakers had the same argument against seatbelts.
>we shouldn't put seatbelts in our cars, it is up to consumers to decide what car to buy
I am sure that food producers were this way when they were forced to remove potassium bromate from their food products.
>we should't stop putting poisons in the food we make, consumers should decide for themselves if they want to eat poison or not
This is a great way of thinking. Think off the damage, all the suffering, all the death, lack of regulations would cause. People who argue for no regulations and letting the market deside are imbeciles.

>>714968437
If I buy a software then it is a product and should work regardless of server status.
>b-but its a service
If it looks like a product, functions as a product, advertised as a product and sold as a product then it’s a product
>then consider not buying it
If you dont like the fact that you will have to have EoS plan then consider not selling here

>>714968609
>If you buy software that requires a server, try not to cry when the server is down.
This is missing the point and doesn't explain why Stop Killing Games is a bad thing

>>714964035
>answering a loaded question
you are brown
post hands

>>714968743
>I bet that carmakers had the same argument against seatbelts.
every single corpo scum always have the same tired arguments anon
and they're always bullshit, just look at previous occurences

>>714967934
>Stop Killing Games is also great for any competent videogame developer/publisher.
no its not, its just more stupid regulations to meet

>>714956314
excellent bait. good work, anon.

>>714968527
LOL this is true. Also it also explains why Boeings keep falling out of the sky. No regulation, no standards, no oversight leads to shitty products.

>>714968915
Retard, see here >>714968527 regulations and standards are a positive unless you're a snakeoil salesman that aims to scam people.

>>714968915
Competent, anon.
Not a single Larian game would need an update to comply with this
Not a single valve game would need an update to comply with this
Wonder why is that

>>714969074
>regulations and standards are a positive
how?

>>714969120
The post said it's great for them. How? It's either a negative or it doesn't make a difference

>>714963247
Just make single player games with no multiplayer/online components, this only affects "friendslop" developers

>the free market will regulate itself!
>just boycott the product!
>just don't buy if you don't think it's good!

yeah, remember when there were fewer regulations than now
and ford made a car that caught on fire when in a crash
and people complained so they recalled the car and redesigned it, to make everyone whole, in the interest of safety and security of their customers?

yeah none of that shit happened, they just figured it's cheaper to pay crash victims families and leave the car a death trap and tell nobody

FUCK CORPOS
FUCK CORPO SHILLS
YOU ALL DESERVE THE FUCKING ROPE

>just give us your server binary
>it doesn't werk
>okay, just give us your source code
>it also doesn't werk because 3rd party code is missing
>wtf
>just break copyright regarding the 3rd party code
>the commie EU demands it
Do you see how fucking retarded SKG is? You fags haven't thought this through for a single minute.

>>714969196
video games cant kill people retard

>>714969125
They keep your plane from nosediving and you from dying because the new management hired pajeet DEI hires that wrote software that points the plane nose down at random during certain circumstances without warning the pilot.

>>714963196
I'm trying myself but it's not going very well

>>714969125
>sit in Boieng plane
>the door falls off
>you fucking die
>sit in Airbus plane
>everything is ok
>you continue living
It’s funny how the whole “let people choose what to buy” argument stops fucking working when the consequence for wrong choice is death. Cant learn from mistakes baka

>>714969249
we're talking about video games and how regulations benefit the people who make them

>>714969125
Thanks to them, we no longer have asbestos in our homes.
Cocaine and morphine are also not sold in pharmacies.

>>714969248
The principle of the matter here is that of regulation, not whether you live or die when something happens. Are you moving the goalpost now?

>>714969248
They can still ruin lives. This is why lootboxes and other slotmachine mechanics must be regulated out of videogames that are being sold to children. And when said mechanics are present in games for adults their gambling nature should be stated.

>>714969286
>>714969324
read the fucking reply chain

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>714968657
snot there
>>714968717
an analogy would be requiring those physical goods manufacturers to keep your physical good in straight from the factory condition, which is very unreasonable
>>714968743
seatbelts? food? these are bad analogies
>>714968760
that's not true if you in fact bought software tied to servers, that's what the software is that you bought
>>714968770
it IS the point, if you buy software tied to a server then you bought software tied to a server, if the server goes down it's time to move onto different software. Protip, if you dont like that then do not buy the software.

>>714969243
You keep posting this and keep getting BTFO every thread
this is the last (you) you'll get

>>714969383
You didn't read it, Ranjesh.

>>714969196
Free market has regulated itself anon
How many of these games are failing?
The point of this initiative is consumer protection, not market protection
If you want to make an argument, at least talk about something that is relevant

>>714969361
>They can still ruin lives
gambling can
video games cant

>>714969125
>make it a standard for cars to have airbags,
>make it a standard to have one emergency number across eu
>make it a standard to have cheap roaming calls across eu
>make it a standard to ban single use plastics
>make it a standard to not use those ozone layer chemicals, forgot which one
>make it a standard to use nutritional labeling on products
>make it a standard for electronics to be easily repairable

i could go on but you are a corpo shill so why bother?

>>714969318
>higher user engagement
>brand loyalty
>can sell dead game after disabling servers

>>714969248
So we should only regulate things that can kill people? What about things that only leave you paralized? What about things that only cause you medium bodily harm? A serious question now. Are you an imbecile?

>>714969318
We were talking about all regulations, if you want to narrow it down to videogames, then regulating videogame development practices can help avoid situations where publishers can disable products remotely and leave the consumer with nothing after they had purchased their goods. It would benefit the consumer by allowing them to keep what they bought with their money. This should be a clearly discernible benefit, yes?

>>714969449
I did, and I can inform you there's no law you referenced.

>>714969362
Asbestos, cocaine and morphine are not scams, they work well for what they do, the problem is that they are harmful and should not be sold to the public.
And thanks to regulations this is no longer the case.

>>714969125
allow me to show you

>>714969248
>it's not lethal so it's okay
NIGGER

>>714969383
>that's not true if you in fact bought software tied to servers, that's what the software is that you bought
And you will provide me with a way to launch it preserving full functionality without the servers after you disable them OR you won’t be able to sell here. Simple.

>>714969452
>Free market has regulated itself anon
yeah just like ford didn't do the right thing, people died, and everyone boycotted the company, right?
yeah

>>714969516
thats purely speculative

>>714969560
You did not read it. Articles 15 and 16 come pretty early.

>>714969636
They are not required to go above and beyond the product you purchased. That, again, IS the point. You bought software tied to a server, that is the software you bought. You want software not tied to a server? look elsewhere for that software, it obviously isn't this one.

>>714954016 (OP)
>big corpos are anti consumer
Wow! Who'd think?!
The worst that could happen with this is that the developers stop selling games and opting for full-on subscription models, but the silver lining would at least be full transparency and putting a stop to the lies.

>>714967725
Apparently not. Can you please tell me, in your own words, what a "stakeholder" is?

>>714969467
>little Johhny 12 years old got access to his mothers credit card and spent 40 000$ on a videogame purchases
Don't you watch the news? Videogames CAN and HAVE ruined lives. Videogames that push gambling onto children have already ruined lives. Videogames have incorporated many gambling mechanics over the years in order to turn videogames into a casino. Make people addicted and drain them.

>>714969691
They aren't relevant articles

>>714969806
They absolutely are. Are you afraid? What's with those curt replies?

*AHEM*
ATTENTION ALL JEW CORPOS
OR OVEN DODGERS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM
YOU WILL MAKE EOL PLANS FOR MY GAMES
OR ELSE I WILL CONSIDER THIS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY FREEDOM AND INVOKE NATO ARTICLE 5

>>714969849
You posted a URL, I read through it, and it wasted my time. Pissed me off

>>714969674
I don’t think you understand what that saying means
Regulating ford that way kept them in business, if they didn’t and people died then they would’ve been knocked out of the market, therefore the market regulating itself
In fact the government regulations actually kept them in business which is not following that principle

>>714969731
>developers stop selling games and opting for full-on subscription models
Not going to happen. People can't tolerate more than 1~2 subscribtion services. If you turn every game into a subscribtion that will kill videogames. Also GOG exists where games are DRM free and people will simply flock to GOG.

>>714969858
>End of life plan is that the game is done and it's time to move onto another game
nothing personnel

>>714969772
gambling's the problem

>>714963159
>>714962485
>the reality of gamedev is that everyone cuts corners all the time
>Yes, i have seen people with 15 years of experience do much stupider shit for the sake of convenience.
Those people actually finished their games. Heartbound is still in development after eight years.
And we're not even talking about the truly heinous shit you sometimes have to do to make things ship when your systems become more complex., we're talking about writing integer comparisons where he should be using Booleans: `(bool_var == 0)` instead of `(not bool_var)`.

>>714969910
Sounds to me like you are cornered and now have no way to wiggle out of the problem created for you. You are too afraid to even address what's written in the article or quote the things that you think "do not fit". Why do you fear the law so much?

>>714970008
Ah yes, the corner of you posted a link with nothing relevant to the discussion. Oh no, whatever shall I do?

>>714956314
>americans can only do park and food analogies

>>714970113
>This Directive should apply to contracts for the sale of goods, including goods with digital elements where the absence of the incorporated or inter-connected digital content or digital service would prevent the goods from performing their functions and where that digital content or service is provided with the goods under the sales contract concerning those goods.

>>714969982
Gambling is only one of the problems.

>>714969678
Tf you talking about speculative lmao. Steam is the biggest game distribution service in the world. CDPR sold 25 million coppies of a half-assed game simply by refusing to add DRM and making it a statement in their previous game. Larian next game will sell millions simply because they engaged in good faith with bg3. This shit prints money.

>>714970171
Gambling is literally the only thing that can be harmful about video games and is the only thing that should be regulated

>>714969945
>if people die it would put them out of business
>Boeing still exists

>>714970130
What do you think that means? because it means that when you pay for software you get that software. In the case of it relying on a server and it goes down, that isn't even applicable.

>>714969767
The people that are more worried about their brand an IPs

>>714970192
>Tf you talking about speculative
You are speculating that people will feel a certain way and you have nothing to back it up, really
You're seeing good games being released and saying they did well because they had no DRM or whatever, maybe they sold well because they were good games? Did that occur to you?

>>714954016 (OP)
>please sign my bedition
fuck off
or I will kill you and piss on your corpse

>>714970201
Whong. I will give you a few hours to think it over. there are many more things that have to be regulated.

>>714970292
What else is harmful about video games? I'm curious to know

>>714969965
There's also that subscription services tends to cannibalize each other. Remember when Netflix was actually somewhat worth it? Before all those producers of content thought
>Hey, WE should be earning that sweet Sub dosh!
And it all splintered into 20 different models.

>>714970249
>This should apply regardless of whether the digital content or digital service is pre-installed in the good itself or has to be downloaded subsequently on another device and is only inter-connected to the good.

>>714970338
Again, it has no relevance to software tied to a server. If you bought software that was tied to a server it's working as intended as per the sales contract.

>>714970412
>including goods with digital elements where the absence of the incorporated or inter-connected digital content or digital service would prevent the goods from performing their functions

>>714964405
At the very least, a game like it had no business being made defunct

>>714956314
Either change the button to "buy temporary license", or sell the game for real, you can't have both.
If you try, i will send the germans after you.

it's time for skg to ass rape lobotomized muricans once and fall. fuck you all murican rats.

>>714970246
You know that they get government bailouts right?

>>714969730
Anon I fill like were going in circles here, because you don’t understand the point. If they want to sell here they will be required to go above and beyond. Alternatively they can avoid selling here. This is not what is required currently, this is what will be required going further. I hope that helps

>>714970434
Software tied to a server would be functioning correctly even in the case the server is down, it's just doing what it does. It would be more prudent to post a EULA from within the past 20 years.

gaming is dead

>>714970273
>single frame gif from tenor
not sending their best

>>714963159
Nobody actually cares about the quality of the code, just that Thor's a cock. Same with YanDev.
Because if they did, they wouldn't actively ignore (or fucking celebrate) other games having even worse code (like Undertale or Balatro).

>>714970506
This guy seems to think it's currently required
>>714970434
>>714970338
>>714970130

So I hope I can clear this up for you a final time. If you dont like server based software requiring servers, then think carefully about purchases.

>>714970552
If the function of software is dependent on presence of the online server connection, then no, it would not be functioning correctly.

>EULA
lol

>>714970591
He's making a postal joke

>>714970647
The sales contract mentioned in your law quotes.

>>714970503
>if people die it would put them out of business
>Boeing still exists and also receives government subsidies
>Americans literally pay so that Boeing can replace them with foreigners and continue killing people without consequences.

>>714970269
So what exactly do you think is important for building brand loyalty then. Because it is a thing, it is not speculation whether it works or not, every business is trying to build it.

>>714968406
>The biggest types of Indies at risk are the ones who create revolutionary new experiences utilizing the blockchain, AI, and other emerging technologies
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

>>714970742
You think there's one singular ingredient for creating brand loyalty? Don't be stupid
We've veered so far off the topic of regulation being good for game developers here
There's well regarded companies who make single player live service experiences
There's no real correlation

>>714969965
>>714970273
>>714956314
>>714962956
>>714964023
hey lobotomized murican fucking civilians using anime as form of falseflag. it's time for you take the knee and fuck off back to your origin countries and get re-educated by the actual locals of your origin fix and your genepool that THE KIKES ruined. fuck off back to your original device and fix yourselves.

>>714970708
The EU law supersedes pre-negotiated sales contracts in accordance with the Directive 93/13/EEC. Denying the customer a working product due to absence of a server connection is in violation of EU law.

>In order to avoid uncertainty for both sellers and consumers, in the event of doubt as to whether the supply of the digital content or the digital service forms part of the sales contract, the rules of this Directive should apply.

>>714968406
We're still stuck in the PS360 era of gameplay, that was a downgrade from the PS2 era.
If anything, we need to re-focus everyone to actually go back to progressing gameplay.

The fact we don't have anything as good or better in destruction as red faction: Guerrila is VERY telling.

>>714954016 (OP)
Fear of losing control of hoarding IPs to relaunch. Prepare for a wave of P2P ruining your new favorite releases so they can continue to hoard IPs.

>>714970901
no, it doesn't
>Directive 4
fuck the EU

>>714971071
>trying to "nuh-uh" the word of law
That didn't work out so well for Apple.

>>714970973
Also before someone comes with >muh Cell flops
My third worlder Ryzen 2200g has around 700GFlops.
That's 7 times more flops than the Cell processor.

Blizzard taught him well

>>714971482
Don't you have a phone?

>>714956314
Get better bot.

>>714969578
the differences between countries that have banned blue 1, red 40, and yellow 5&6 is pretty funny

>>714964952
Just let corporations do whatever the fuck they want!

>>714971937
like whatever they do now?

>>714956314
>>714964485
>>714965206
Same shit on every thread. It has to be deliberate.

>>714956314
>Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
Oh, well in that case I support redefining them to be physical things I can own.

Now what?

>>714970259
Wrong. Stakeholders are all involved; management, staff and shareholders. It is LITERALLY everyone who "has a stake" in the enterprise.
That said, can you tell me, in your own words, WHY the companies are worried about their brands and IPs?

>>714960102
Gamergate won though.

>>714970842
Companies that engage with consumers in good faith seem to be thriving and already compliant with the proposed law, that is a proof that said regulations will be good for game developers.
>There's well regarded companies who make single player live service experiences
Valve made hl1, hl2, cs, css, csgo, cs2, dota and is currently making deadlock. All of them are either purely service games or have a multiplayer option. All of them are compliant with SKG already. There are in fact very few games that can compete with cs and dota in terms of popularity and profits. The games where valve engaged in bad faith (underlords, artifact) failed. This is not even mentioning steam which monopolised games distribution simply because it always acted in good faith. Meanwhile a game from ubishit must cost 80$ + skins + bp + 30$ expansions just to be profitable

>>714971067
But they don't lose access to that IP. The initiative does not ask you to:
1. Be able to freely distribute intellectual property as a consumer
2. Make money from their intellectual property
3. Use their intellectual property to build your own brand or image
And so on. Private servers, or even a stripped-out game server, does not infringe on your IP just like owning a Mariah Carey CD does not mean you cant blast All I Want For Christmas in your commercials advertising for your business of selling burned copies

>>714971937
Okay I will do nothing.

>>714964952
You are correct, socialism is fine in moderation and when bent towards the public good. You would have to be entirely without nuance to claim the government interceding in abusive corporate practices is the same thing as the government nationalising farms and starving millions of people to death through bureaucratic inertia.

First they try contrarian approach, then spam threads with cp, now they are trying to smear gamergate into this for ungodly reason that doesn't make any fucking sense. Holy shit this initiative really made rats run in the open

>>714972174
Correlation is not causation, none of your logic is sound

>>714972174
>hl1, hl2
Neither of these are live service games, the others are.

>>714969578
>Red 40
>used in Swedish Fish
>banned in Sweden
Heh.

>>714972115
nta but:
If IP is kept alive (even on lifesupport) by old popular game, they can't really recycle said IP, best they can do is make a reboot hoping to attract IP's fans. They will have to deliver game better than older one which it's either non-profitable or not possible with current skills.
If game is dead that will create a certain demand from people who want that game, no matter how subpar it's going to be compared to the original.
Selling old "immortal" game for however much $ is like dying a slow death because you can't easily and confindently lure game's audience into old-game-but-new/modern so there won't be any cash from investors and shareholders.

All games should be p2p or be hostable on a server. Otherwise, stop making games, jews.

>>714972330
>gamergate
They don't care that it doesn't make sense, they're priming the left wing to attack it, and you already know they don't think about things once they've gotten their marching orders.

>>714972495
yeah the left really is unique in that regard

>>714972478
THAT'S ANTISEMITISM! THINK ABOUT THE POOR CEOS, INVESTORS AND SHAREHOLDERS!

>>714956314
I have lolbert fatigue

>>714972530
I wouldn't go that far, all sorts of grou- Oh, you're being sarcastic.

>>714972365
>there is no correlation
>correlation is not causation
Huh

>>714972658
You're cherry picking examples that do have correlation

>>714972229
Yeah obviously, but now they can't airstrike servers when they decide to release a version with upscaled AI textures.
They have to make something that's better than what they already released.
The single game being their intellectual property they can't hoard.
All I'm saying is they will find loopholes around this anyway like forcing you to re-buy the games.

This also isn't something that's necessarily new or unsolved, devs would lock you out of matchmaking in Halo 3 for not owning all the DLC.

>>714972530
>At least punk is creative and not really malicious
libtoid lefturd "antifa" mentally castrated cuckolds bowing, kneeling and grovelling at the feet of the very very kosher technocrats (both sides serve the same master), begging for complete chattelization and ritualistic humiliation and grooming everyone around them into their total submission anti-White anti-natalist death cult is not "malicious" to you?

>>714969578
they should ban all the bug juice too, but they wont
any drink or candy that is slightly reddish has bug juice in it

>>714972737
See >>714972365, if they are not correlated why would you mention it

>>714972771
did you reply to the wrong post

>>714972882
no

>>714972869
Well they might be, you'd have to do the research, but correlation is not causation and you're cherry picking, you're making two mistakes
How do you even know if Valve games are SKG compliant if they haven't reached the end of their life yet

Why are videogame publishers so evil?

>>714972771
What.

>>714972925
Then that's some insane schizo babble and I have no idea what the fuck you're on about

>>714954016 (OP)
I signed the initiative! I love videogames!

>>714972961
What evil have they done to you?

>>714973059
NOOOOOOOOOOO SAR NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DO NOT REDEEM!

>>714972961
Shareholder Primacy, infinite growth obviates the exhaustion of all ethical means gaining profit, leaving only unethical means. We're just the unfortunate bastards forced to live in the twilight period after an era of unprecedented prosperity, but before the slate is wiped clean and corruption with it.

>>714973059
>I love videogames!

>>714972992
ok urbanite

>>714973217
take your meds

>>714954016 (OP)
Because ypu obnoxious Eurocuck zoomzooms won't keep to your-fucking-selves. You spam the board and see anyone who has any reservations as an enemy. You are a goddamn cult that had to beg American ecelebs because otherwise Europeans do not give a fuck about games.

>>714973262
>keeps replying
you are upset

>>714973062
I unironically got scammed into buying Conan Exiles and then the faggot publisher/devs decided to put denuvo on it after the game released. If i knew that this was happening i would've never bought the game.
>inb4 why is denuvo le bad
In my case my internet goes bad from time to time so Denuvo games stop working so fuck them.A singleplayer games that i paid for should work even when my internet goes down. Fuck Denuvo, Fuck Steam. Only buying from GOG now.
>inb4 false advertising and cutting access to videogames that people paid for is not evil
Kill yourself.

>>714972115
Read the lobby groups message to the EU about SKG

>>714973184
I love filthy games too ;)

>>714961968
I usually not into youtube drama but fuck this is dude is a goldmine

This is insanity, actual fucking insanity, its cyberpunk and Orwell is spinning in its grave, you need to create account to have dishwasher full functionality, you wont start a car without and update, where the fuck are we even heading?

>>714969578
>Mountain Dew which advertised itself as THE gamer drink could cause impaired coordination
Apparently it hasn't contain BVO for half a decade now but still kind of funny.

>>714972115
> It is LITERALLY everyone who "has a stake" in the enterprise
ie people who worry about IP and brand

>>714973464
thats been in EULAs since before you were born

>>714973464
When the SKG representatives are talking infront of the EU they shoud bring those parts of Ubisofts EULA up. Seriously, the EU should rape this type of EULA speak and punish any corpo that tries to pull this shit.

>>714972958
>Well they might be, you'd have to do the research, but correlation is not causation and you're cherry picking, you're making two mistakes
Proofs?
> How do you even know if Valve games are SKG compliant if they haven't reached the end of their life yet
While neither dota nor cs reached end of life their older version technically did. CSGO was replaced by CS2 but can still be played on private servers, for dota there is dota classic that runs old patch from old client

>>714972495
>>714972530
The problem for them here is the left are biting their tongues because they agree with us on this
They even try to insert their own virtue signalling to justify it
Just look at posts itt

>>714973562
Nope. This shit started appearing around 2010.

>>714973693
>for dota there is dota classic that runs old patch from old client
Dota Classic is not a Valve product
You cannot host your own Dota servers, and nobody knows what will happen when Dota goes offlines

>>714973464
But think about poor multi trillion dollar companies!!!!

>>714973767
I remember reading that in the EULAs of games I bought in the 90s

>>714973826
Provide example.

>>714973852
Yeah ok let me just get the manuals for games I bought 30 years ago real quick

>>714973174
Why do you keep saying shareholders
Anon, the devs and publishers are the ones complaining here
Shareholders you can complaint about with MTX, not this shit

>>714973787
Dota classic is quite literally just old dota client downloaded from steam
>You cannot host your own Dota server
That is quite literally an option when you create a lobby and it works fully offline/lan only

>>714974016
dota has a bunch of centralized server shit that you need to play outside of the game

>>714973562
Car's did not have seatbelts early on either. Asbestos was everywehre. Just because something has existed for some time that does not make it good.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_(cigarette)
*however, the Micronite filter in Kent cigarettes contained compressed blue asbestos within the crimped crepe paper, which is the most carcinogenic type of asbestos*
I guess we should go back to smoking cigarettes with asbestos filters.

>>714973938
You think the rank and file developers have a problem with this? My man they are not paid enough to give a fuck. The complaints are coming from the executive levels who recognise this is a threat to future profits.

>>714973787
>You cannot host your own Dota servers
Yes you can?

>>714973938
Neither developer nor publisher can prefer customer or employee benefits to shareholders profit because as Dodge vs Ford Motor Co. judge judged “A business corporation is organized and carried on primarily for the profit of the stockholders”

>>714974086
Not even a real threat, it is a threat only if you try to go cheap with every other game itteration and push out shit products. People that put out great popular games have nothing to fear.

>>714973880
No vidya company 30 years ago had a clause in their eulas that you have to destroy a cds when company goes down. You absolutely misremember this shit.

>>714974086
>do you think the people that were screaming in the grass at the expo and are losing their jobs are complaining about gamers
Yes anon, I absolutely do

>>714974306
they did

>>714963159
There's cutting corners and there's writing inane shit for a decade.

>>714974306
>misremember
Oh no he doesn't. He's trying to gaslight people, that clause was updated recently to include that shit.

>>714974380
Anon, early videogames did not have EULAs in the first place. Where do you think you are?

>>714974426
You're a fucking retard who thinks because it's shocking to you that it must be new because things just keep getting worse (in your perception) when they've always been this way

>>714974441
>Anon, early videogames did not have EULAs in the first place.
Yes they did

>>714973338
But it's not a single player game.

>>714974386
???

>>714974489
I actually read EULAs, so I know for a fact that they weren't you psychotic faggot. What they had was a clause that you must desist using the product, and only under the conditions in which you chose not to abide by the EULA, there has never been anything in there where the Licenser had the power to anul the license along with the demand that the physical product be destroyed.

>>714974081
No it doesn’t. You can verify this right now by downloading dota, pulling your internet cable out and still being able to create a lobby. This works for lan only as well with no access to dota servers

>>714974691
They had the "destroying physical products" bit for things like movies and music too, of course they can't actually make you comply with this, it's just in there to avoid legal liability

>>714974265
Yes sure anon, shareholders are having emergency meetings and telling publishers to destroy all of their games and prevent anyone from playing them again

>>714971165
>words
social commie construct
>our law says arrest war criminals
>but we won't arrest Netanyahoo
therefore "commie EU law" null and void

>>714974736
well i stand corrected, didnt know it had real lan functionality

>>714974784
No they didn't. You are a lying, gaslighting psychopath without a shred of proof.

>>714974380
>>714974526
I just skimmed over every documentation attached to Gran turismo 4 disc, and nowhere there is even mention of EULA or anything even remotely close to bullshit we have today, most was about warranty.

>>714954016 (OP)
It's been clearly explained to you from both industry and player perspectives but you just say the explanations don't count because of your anti business obsession

>>714974861
How am I a psychopath? If I'm wrong and lying about it what do I stand to gain from this? Just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it's new

>>714974784
>Movies and Music
Legally, under United States law, you have the right to make copies of movies and songs you have purchased.

>>714974529
>But it's not a single player game.
It is. It was originally. I played the early access and you could play the game offline singleplayer. They made the changes later when adding Denuvo. Steam is cancer for allowing game developers to make such changes to their games. I hear that they removed denuvo now but fuck them. I am never going back to Steam. I am never buying a game from those developers ever again.

>>714974968
Only psychopaths try to gaslight people, which is precisely what you're doing. Up until very recently, literally within the last fucking week, no EULA anywhere, for anything, ever, demanded people destroy their copy of the product.
>durr you just didn't know :)
This is what makes you a psychopath. I dare you to find a single EULA in the last, say, 50 years to be generous that says anything like this.

>>714975152
>Up until very recently, literally within the last fucking week, no EULA anywhere, for anything, ever, demanded people destroy their copy of the product.
How do you know?
Where am I going to find old EULAs?

>>714974803
A publisher or developer cant choose to create an EoS patch unless it is forced on them or stockholders agree that doing so will give them more money than using it on the development of the next game. This is quite literally the case

>>714975063
Better go back to sending letters too. 4chan is online only.

>>714975219
Old DVDs/Blue Rays of videogames. Now kill yourself you fucking schizo.

>>714974968
Dude, dig up one video game EULA older then 20 years that says you need to destroy cd/dvd in case of license ends."I remember" doesn't mean shit.

>>714975219
Legal archives, wayback machine, hell, dig out an old game CD and pop it in. The EULA's used to be included on them and didn't require an internet connection to read. Find proof of your absurd claim, or shut the fuck up about a teapot circling the sun.

>>714975302
Why the fuck would I still have my games from the 90s
I don't even have a CD ROM drive anymore
It's pretty psychotic to assume that someone must be lying just because they disagree with you, you are not the centre of the universe

>>714975335
>dig up one video game EULA older then 20 years
id like to know where i can

>>714964485
>>714964643
>>714964686
>>714964721
>>714967145
>>714967274
>>714967421
>>714967986
>>714972047
>this latest thing is right-wing/left-wing
>this tweet with 5 views means one side hates it
>this movement is associated with this other movement we like/hate
The disinformation campaign and attempts to muddy the waters is so fucking blatant. Corpos are pulling every trick in the book and anons are willingly helping them for free.

>>714975257
Retard. 4chan is akin to talkint at a forum. It has nothing to do with letters or mail. Are you being intentionally dumb? Nah, you're just a retard hungr for (you) thinking that by getting a reaction that makes you smarter.

>>714975514
Personally, I guess I'm just getting ahead of myself because that's been the typical pattern for them for the last 15 years. I should wait to see what actually happens instead of trying to predict everything like a god damn seer. Thanks for bringing me back to my senses.

>>714975416
>Why the fuck would I still have my games from the 90s
I have them. All normal people have them.
>I don't even have a CD ROM drive anymore
Why?
>It's pretty psychotic to assume that someone must be lying just because they disagree with you, you are not the centre of the universe
Genuine schizo.

>>714975406
I just did a quick Google and found some EULAs that mention destroying the software:
https://www.etcconnect.com/webdocs/Controls/HOG/HTML/en/chap-eula.htm
http://www.lgsoftwareinnovations.com/1click_eula.asp
https://www.cyberlink.com/support-center/faq/content?id=26922
Obviously not old but I don't know where I'm gonna Google for old EULAs

>>714975647
No it's not normal to be one of those cringelords proudly standing front of their shelves of consumer goods

>>714975416
Are you pirate software minion or something? Your whole interaction from >>714973464
is spot on his "journey".

>>714956314
You know, I didn't realise opinions like this would form when I decided to just buy games digitally since it was cheaper and didn't involve lengthy trips to stores that always try to sell other shit and get me to buy pre-owned games for their own profit that I could just pirate with the same contribution to the developers and publishers (Nothing).

I mean it doesn't make you any less of a foaming brainlet retarded fucker for posting it, but still.

>>714972824
you talking about cochineal?
there's nothing wrong with it
I don't want fucking red 40, a pretrolium byproduct
I do want to eat bug blood for that kino red hue, however

>buy car
>manufacturer stops producing the car model
>It is now illegal to possess that specific car model. You must destroy your car right now.
>Get sued
>Get arrested
>Money stolen
Why is Ubisoft like this

>>714975647
Im done, this guy is just something else. im out. take it from here.

>>714960906
people do this in an effort to become more "irreplaceable", has nothing to do with efficiency in most cases.

>>714974925
you were replying to a corpo contrarian shill. kill yourself for that
>>714974526
>>714973562
dishonest mental gymnasim, your typical programs did have those not video games. gog installer had this. don't remember the originals but it's not the same at all, and the new the of shit "eula" you get is literally law breaking.

>>714975709
>In the event that you fail to comply with this EULA, HES may terminate the license and you must destroy all copies of the Software
Keyword here is Software copies, that's pretty standard fare, but it's nothing like what Ubisoft updated their EULA with including physical copies. Furthermore, this is only in the event the licensee does not comply with the EULA, and likewise doesn't include the clause Ubisoft updated that allows them to cancel your license whenever they want.

>TERMINATION. This License will terminate automatically if you fail to comply with the limitations described above. On termination, you must destroy all copies of the software.
Ditto

>Upon termination of this EULA, you should destroy the SOFTWARE and the Documentation and all the copies thereof and remove and delete the SOFTWARE from your hard disk or other storage device.
To be fair to you, this one is pretty close to what you claim in terms of the letter since a hard copy counts as a storage device, and the termination of the EULA doesn't list any specific conditions.

This has been a thing for forever. Why are people waking up to this only just now? Oh right because they just read something up on reddit or youtuber or twitter or something and then it becomes their voice..

>>714976223
Destroying all copies of the software includes physical ones bro
I don't know why we need to go through these mental gymnastics

>>714975641
There are websites and chatrooms where anons band together and try to insert themselves into every controversy because they like the idea of influencing opinions from the comfort of their rooms. Some do it for fun, some are heavily funded. It's a sad attempt at marking their presence in the world. Notice how most of the threads were generally constructive until we hit 1 million signatures and then suddenly the tide changed.

ATTENTION ISRAELI SHILLS.

IRAN WILL HAVE NUKES WITHIN THE YEAR.

>>714976268
>Destroying all copies of the software includes physical ones bro
No it really doesn't because it's not in an installed, usable state, to make use of the software you have to go through the EULA again, but then you'll probably just call that mental gymnastics.

>>714976229
it's not the point, corpos started putting even more useless and malicious shit without you noticing. the thing is, it supposed to distracted you from the real issues.

>>714976229
Online support =/= game unplayable.

>>714976374
Ok so whats the real issue? Women?

>>714976229
it's not the point, corpos started putting even more useless and malicious shit without you noticing. the thing is, it supposed to distract you from the real issues.

>>714976373
Yes really. The wording is the same as the Ubisoft one - which says "You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession."
It's not singling out physical copies. It just says destroy it, which includes physical, same as those ones I linked. Conditions are the same too - Upon termination of the EULA you have to destroy the software
You can apologize for calling me a gaslighting psycho now

>>714976452
>Ok so whats the real issue?
the real issue is companies slowing taking your freedom without you noticing it. those "labels" literally there to distract you. you'd think it's cool, this cover boxes had those wording and all that useless crap even if you read it but it's there to take your freedom. and they will take it as soon as they put their product on a ""rentable"" server when you literally bought it as one purchase.

>>714976106
>have a dental plank made for you
>3 years later, the dentist and the manufacturer break down your door and take them away
>"It was just a license, you'll have to license new ones"

>>714976523
Fine, calling you a gaslighting psychopath was hasty and uncharitable of me, I asked for proof and you provided it.

I find it funny how every actual developer, including ones who worked on huge games like Helldivers 2, disseminated Jason's coding and tell him how shit and inept he is, and still he doubles down, saying his code is good

Nothing will happen. SKGtrannies lost.
Just admit you hate developers you commies.

>>714976229
>This has been a thing for forever
And I've hated it since day 1. Your point?

>>714976960
I'm an actual developer, and the critiques of Jason's programming have been mostly bad, just like all attempts to shame bad programmers
The only big issue is his use of magic numbers for everything, but that could be a Game Maker limitation
Guy saying he should be using unique types for function paramaters was off his rocker

>>714964504
>>714964715

You can do

switch(whatever){
case 1:
DoShit();
case 2:
DoOtherShit();
break;
}

And will will DoShit DoOtherShit for 1 and DoOtherShit for 2, the cases don't have to be empty for fallthrough, only break matters. It's sort of considered bad practice though because most people will assume the break is there and not notice you didn't pout it in on purpose.

>>714974085
>I guess we should go back to smoking cigarettes with asbestos filters.
Yes, we should. You fucking SKG commies ruined cigarettes.

>>714977165
Ok bozo. I'm sure you know better than someone who worked on Helldivers
>You can't use Boolean in gamemaker
t.jason
>The basic manual not only says you can, but heavily recommends that you do

>>714977178
literaly write
>/* fallthrough */
instead of
>break;
done

>>714976714
>you think its cool when they say that they can stop online access any time
A confused bot?

>>714977412
>Ok bozo. I'm sure you know better than someone who worked on Helldivers
I probably do but that's beside the point
I don't know what the Helldivers dev said, but the Coding Jesus guy's criticisms were retarded

kikes literally using the
>We won't be able to afford to make cars if we are forced to put seatbelts in them
Argument all over again

>>714976229
I can play Battlefront 2 offline two decades after release, as well as host my own servers for it.

>>714977435
I personally would unemploy people for this

>>714977542
Seatbelts were added for women.

>>714977594
Factually incorrect. Pregnant women weren't obligated to wear them

>>714976523
None of the EULAs you provided were from video games or movies or music. The whole argument started from this
>>714973562
and you said this
>>714973826
then you provided some obscure eulas to some random software from around 2000.

>>714977820
They're from software. What difference does it make? That's just what I Googled

>>714977542
Not really
It’s really curious how many people use this comparison when it’s not the same at all

>>714977435
You can but it's still discouraged by industry coding standards. MISRA or CERT allow fallthough only for empty cases, but I'm just a weirdo in industrial automation where we have reliability requirements.

>>714977870
That you are lying piece of shit, fishing for yous deliberately misconstruing and moving goalposts while missing whole point.

>>714978038
Moving goalposts to where? My point was the shit about destroying your copy in EULAs is not new, I provided some examples of it right there

>>714975416
>I don't want to own things, okay?
fuck you
>why would I need a drive? All i need is subscriptions

>>714978112
but destroying a "video game" in EULA is new.

>>714978264
Are you a magpie or something? Do you need to hoard shiny objects to make you feel safe?

>>714978328
Nah it's not, it's the same as these other software EULAs, I could probably find an example if search wasn't dominated by the Ubisoft shit

>>714978363
Maybe he is just a boomer who is going to burden their children with bunch of junk to their children when they die.

>>714978328
Search baldurs gate 3 eula. Search elden ring eula. Same text. Ubisoft isn't special evil.

>>714978363
Have you asked Gabe why he hoards physical yachts?

>>714978610
>Search Sierra adventure EULA
There were none included, cope Steamie

>>714978625
Do you think I'm defending the super rich just because I don't hoard old video games? lol

>>714978689
So we've backpedalled from only Ubisoft to Ubisoft and all of Steam?

>>714976170
But he's a solo dev on heartbound. He doesn't have to answer to anyone but himself. Why make the code such a pain in the ass to deal with? It's no surprise he hasn't been able to release the next major update for like 5 years. It must be soul crushing having to work on that nightmare.

>>714956314
This fucking guy