Thread 714963549

Every online game is going to get a disclaimer saying the game might not work in the future. That's it

>>714963549 (OP)
Keep speculating, but we will see what will actually happen in the coming years

>>714963549 (OP)
Yeah, but they have to be exact. As in "This game will stop working after July 2025". But this could reduce sales in some cases. So companies just might make a shitty offline single player mode in all their games and say "See, it's reasonably playable".

>>714963549 (OP)
better than the current situation, so that's a win :)

>>714963549 (OP)
>Every online game is going to get a disclaimer saying the game might not work in the future. That's it
That would effectively kill sales for games that are being sold at full price. This is great news for consumer protection. I also expect for the EU to be even more involved. Some of the things that videogame publishers have been pushing are predatory and toxic to an unimaginable degree.

Dumbass gamers really thought companies would just hand over their intellectual property once they are no longer updating their game

>>714963549 (OP)
>shit games are forced to plaster themselves with warnings
Good. This will actually wake up normies.

>>714969035
We just want private servers.

>>714969356
>he thinks proprietary server hosting tools are not intellectual property

>>714963549 (OP)
>might
not enough.
to comply with the legal live service definition they will be forced to include an explicit expiration date

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>714970521
Every complaint gamers have about the industry needs to be a Gamergate or the industry might have to admit fault

>>714970521
literally what are you talking about schizoid

>>714963549 (OP)
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>714963549 (OP)
I find the most stupid in this debacle is that most of the people clamoring for SKG actually bought all of their games on Steam, which directly contradicts their basic premise.

>>714963549 (OP)
That, and games will be killed with a higher freqeuency. I'm talking about just getting Yoinked from your steam account while you're in the middle of playing it. I'm talking entire dev teams getting 86'd in the middle of the night and all traces of them removed from social media. I'm talking about more money for Bobby Kotek types and literal homelessness for everybody else (everybody, including (YOU))

SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714970962
>said one Zurich-based troon indie dev
And what live service game did "she" work on?

>>714963549 (OP)
>What's going to happen:
We will win and corpos will seethe
they will be shidding and farding and pooping and cumming and screaming and shouting and pissing and howling and stomping and flailing and crying and bawling and it will be glorious, in fact they already are.

It's absolutely not passing. Not in late stage capitalism.

Just be glad signing the EULA doesn't automatically send you to the Ukrainian front as a mercenary

>>714970521
I love how the Rat Man profile picture is so appropriate for Chet.

>>714970962
Don't worry, McPixel trilogy will be fine, dude.

>>714971164
>meanwhile in America-la-la-land
>get mandatory blood test done on order of JFK Jr.
>1/16th Spanish ancestry, 1/32nd Native American
>get deported to Honduras prison
>at least you're not 1/8th Haitian like your neighbour who was fed to the gators

>>714971665
holy based

>>714963549 (OP)
Oh, you are at the 'bargaining' now?

>>714963549 (OP)
it's funny how /v/ is farming yous with this worthless piece of shit nonsense
they bait you with something that's not even remotely near in the future

all that's gonna happen ist that the EU is talking centuries

P-please stop laughing at Thor :(
He worked for Blizzard™!

>>714970962
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0 fucks given after I post this

>>714970962
Steam refunds stifled developer creativity by killing one hour walking sims about depression.

>>714971840
The obvious for loops isn't the worst part of his code, by far
He has a giant int array for the entire state of the game. If you ate a hotdog, super_story_giant_array[412] = 2. If you ate pizza, super_storg_giant_array[412] = 3
He thinks he's 200 IQ for remembering that 412 is the ate-food int, and remembering that 2 is hotdog and 3 is pizza

>>714973805
all those flavours and this is what you decide to seethe over? wew lad

https://gist.github.com/Kaldaien/c66bf3dca62a5ac63785714f686e60ad

let's see how quickly steamcuks change their tune about stop killing games...

Ok, let's say that's all that happens.
So what?
Signing the petition cost me nothing.

>>714974409
To be fair, the steam DRM is painfully easy to crack.
You're one DLL drop away from owning 99% of the titles, when they even require it.
Many games including mine just run without the steam thing.

>>714973805
Jesus, at least use a dictionary if you're not going to make a dedicated class.

>>714963549 (OP)
Cope tranny, games will now be eternal, nothing you can do about it, every stinky mutt, chink and pajeet will make games eternal for eurochads, kys.

Why are jannies deleting SKG threads?

>>714970962
>indie devs
>live service
Pick one lmao
If you have the budget to afford AWS for your game then you're it's not an indie game.

Pretty much every game is developed in a local test environment. Having a playable offline mode is practically no work for the developer.

>>714963549 (OP)
I fucking hope this is all that happens so that the retards who kept spamming this shit over and over again like the obnoxious cunts they are can seethe and cope with it.

Imagine willingly singing a petition that would make the EU sink their hands even further within the video game industry than they already have them sunken in it.

You're genuinely driven by emotions and feelings alone regarding this and not how it would actually make everything go down long term.

>>714969356
>we just want the devs to leak their own source code needed so we can run it on our own computer instead and make use of it for other nefarious needs in the future

>>714976023
>everything will go down long term if this passes
>so we should instead let corporations run rampant and deprive us of things we paid money for
yeah, that'll work for sure

>>714970885
so why did people then sign this petition to "stop killing games" if instead it's just going to further accelerate their demise?

>>714976132
>you need source code to host a server
c'mon son

>>714976174
>i'm a stupid fucking retard who can't organize a boycott to save his own life and i lack the restraint necessary to just not buy modern day slop that you can clearly tell it's going to be shit from a mile away based on various patterns
>please daddy government, just do everything for me for me so that i don't have to put my critical thinking to use and just let my brain turn into mush

>>714970521
I haven't seen so much actively spread misinformation and false flagging since then, so it's not a bad comparison.

>>714976132
>>714976347
>being retarded on purpose

>>714976347
>just organise a boycott bro
Fucking lmao
Do you also think voting with your wallet works?

>>714975451
Consumer movements are a bit of a pandora's box on /v/. See for example Gamergate.

>>714963549 (OP)
we'll never get a battlefield game with a standalone server or mod support.

>>714963549 (OP)
If anything passes at all it's going to have some shitty clause like it not applying to f2p games so devs can make their games permanently free a few months-a year in advance to get around it.

>>714965274
>game will end
>publisher is still making big money
>make announcement that thanks to gamers paying for micro transactions the game will continue to operate for 6 more months
>keep doing this to guilt idiots into spending more money to keep the game going or it will be shutdown
I fervently pray this happens to a gacha, I want to see people give up their money to sustain a shitty png they’re infatuated with

>>714963549 (OP)
I'm sure big tobacco didn't throw a fit when the labeling laws were being pushed

>>714976617
>>keep doing this to guilt idiots into spending more money to keep the game going or it will be shutdown
If this is what happens, then I'm all in on this.
Gamers are stupid and deserve to be milked dry. Anything that's good for corporations is good for me.

>>714965274
They could do what the most sold game in the planet does and allow people to create their own servers, and well keep selling the game sans the active online component, just the store shit.
It won't be quite the $4.2 billion minecraft did, but i bet its a lot more than the "we pay for a shitton of servers that steal the money we make from the store, then we close the store when we turn the servers off".

kill yourselves furry eceleb lovers even if youre making fun of him you're gay and normalnigger and full of aids.

>>714976132
>leaked source code
Every fucking time, why are shills so hellbent on being disingenuous? No one is asking for the source code. We want to run servers like it's the 2000s again - all the devs have to do is bundle the proprietary server software with the game.

>>714977361
>all the devs had to do is bundle their private server code together with the public release to make it public instead of private
really nigga?

>>714976617
>make a in game event to encourage people to buy gacha shit
>within the event is a bar that shows how much money is needed to continue operations with 100-500$ bundles below the bar with “BUY NOW” slapped on it
>big hit with Koreans who brag that they payed for the 3000$ bundle that gave them a exclusive skin for the character they liked and only enough pulls to get pity once
this would be hilarious

>>714971665
You make a compelling point in favor of America but I still dislike their policy regarding EULAs

>>714970521
Gamergate was vilified with mad propaganda to cover the asses of the corrupt vidya "journalists", and STG will be vilified to save corpos money.

test

>>714977508
Yes.
>but think of le publishers!1!11
Outside of MMOs, devs lose next to nothing with private servers. Why should my disc copy of Titanfall be tied to proprietary servers?

Blows my mind how the only defense corpos have against this is literal fucking misinformation and lies. Even the official sources are lying about what the initiative entails.
Corpos literally cannot find a good argument against this so they just resort to blatant misinformation. If this doesn't tell you that they're afraid, then nothing will.

>>714978663
>misinformation
irrelevant buzzword.
you have nothing of worth or value to say.

>>714978827
you're right brother. the goyim have been getting too smart for their own good. time to teach them to stop from spreading all their anti-semetic nonsense

>>714963549 (OP)
>Don't worry, it's not like they want to KILL ALL GAMES or some-

https://tech4gamers.com/ubisoft-eula-destroy-all-copies-game-goes-offline/

>>714971134
Where'd you get a gun like that, Ross?
Gelbooru?

>>714978827
>NOOOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT
>BUZZWORD THAT'S A BUZZWOOOOOORD
Read the official response of Video Games Europe and take a shot of vodka for each blatant lie.

>>714963549 (OP)
>nothing will change
Keep coping.

the people who came up with this idea are so flippant when it comes to the anti consumer and censorious effects of what they're proposing

so what do you do when "the community" start acting like jerks and filling it with microtransactions and the same kind of abuses the companies do? just look at an average garrys mod server, it's an absolute wreck, what happens when professional companies start competing when there's money involved, now every game must last forever and be fucked in to the dirt forever
"oh well at least it will be fair if they move to a subscription model!" it was fair already, this is literally the worst excuse ever to money's paw every single gamer in to having no option than to access GaaS. you buy a multiplayer game being explicitly told it's not going to last forever, and everyone knows the score, nobody is ever surprised at the eventual shutdown of a game like the crew, it's 11 years old.

>>714978663
They can't find a good argument against this because there is no good argument against consumer rights.
Corporations have immense power over us and yet at the same time they start shitting their pants and crying like literal babies as soon as someone wants to curb their power just a little bit.
I'm praying that this causes the EU to completely assrape these publishers.

>>714979531
>"the community"
Who dictates that you have interact with the "community"?
>garry's mod
Don't play on those servers and make your own.
>subscription model!
No one said this.
>turn games into a GaaS!
Games being labelled with an blatant expiration date tend to suffer on the market.

You're a corpocuck bootlicker, kill yourself off my board.

>>714979531
Retard.
>inb4 no argument
You don't have one either.

>>714979531
One day I'll have your head, corposhill
One blessed day

>>714979961
>Games being labelled with an blatant expiration date tend to suffer on the market.
I need a better argument for this than "well back in my day everquest didn't do so well..." because right now GaaS is growing tremendously to the point where it's becoming commonplace to see consoles that don't even really use physical media anymore, and subscription services are extremely commonplace across all areas of life, so it's an entirely different landscape today than it was a few decades ago, crying corpocuck when in reality I'm not wanting to idiotically make games as a service the only option that makes sense to publishers isn't going to convince anyone, you're just blatantly lying

>>714963549 (OP)
Likely not very much. At most it will be us metaphorically tripping up big companies when they walk past us in the hallway at school.

But we made an animal raping nepo baby seethe so it's worth it.

>>714979961
those kinds of abuses are widespread in gmod today, and if you make every single game that gets shut down look like that then it will start making more sense for bad actors to start taking them over and providing a crappy service, a lot of third worlders play dated games, so really you're going to provide an incentive for bad actors to swoop in like a hawk and use these games for exploitative reasons, hosting games still takes money and resources to run, so people are going to look for things that can draw an audience and turn them in to the same kind of predatory shitholes that you're trying to get rid of and the only option a publisher has to not allow that is to only offer GaaS, which nobody wants in the first place

>>714980652
It is all a matter of psychology really. If you buy a game with microtransactions, and season pass and the whole shebang and it says on the page; "This game will cease to function July 2027". Then you will instinctively be less willing to buy anything extra within the game because now you KNOW for a fact that the game is going to evaporate whereas otherwise there is always that ambiguity.

Why can Unreal Tournament from 1999 still have functioning servers that can be accessed after it was totally abandoned by it's own company but other games can't do that with modern technology?

>>714981187
How come we could get to the moon with 1960s technology but can't get there anymore?

>>714981082
That's nice and all but why should I care about retards being scammed? I paid for the game, I should be allowed to use my product until the end of times.

>>714970337
What exactly do you think a "proprietary server hosting tool" is? Because that's basically just technobabble

>>714970962
>the hell does that mean?!
He literally explains in the next sentence.

>We need the government to step in because…Voting with your wallet doesn’t work?
If you can’t mobilize the majority to agree with you on merit alone, your cause is very likely in the wrong.

>>714970624
He's talking about the fact that more and more anti skg shills have been trying to tie sky to gamergate

>>714981257
Correct, this is the only thing that matters.
If a game stops working because of new hardware incompatibility, or new system incompatibility, that's fine. But a developer blowing the game's brains out with a switch for absolutely no reason is fucking retarded.

>>714970650
Copy pasting your retardation from the last thread doesn't make it any less bullshit

>>714965274
Nobody reads those things

>>714965274
>sell fifa EVERY YEAR
>this may stop working AFTER A YEAR
>customer will care
lmao

>>714981508
Nigger, we live in a time when getting 5 people to play a video game together every friday night is fucking impossible.
It's like you retards live in some kind of a disney movie, where one brave soul goes on the street, says "let's revolt! and suddenly has a 10 million strong following
Kill yourself, you fucking nigger

>>714981239
That is a hilariously bad analogy. Going to the Moon takes a ridiculous amount of money, which only made sense back then because the US and the USSR were in a massive pissing match (and the tech went to nuclear missles).

Server software (that was already developed) is something devs can easily bundle with games for free. Nice try, corposhill.

>>714963549 (OP)
yeah and every thread on /v/ should have a disclaimer saying that OP is a huge faggot

>>714966764
no, everyone buys CoD and gets new CoD a year later
you are stupid
everyone except retarded bald commies know that multiplayer servers will not last forever

>>714981187
Cool it with the antisemitic questions

>>714981129
>This game will cease to function July 2027
they literally already do this though, except with no minimum term, and there's nothing in the proposal that would change that, except from making them sell it to you as a service, and who the fuck wants the standard to be GaaS?

>>714970337
>he thinks proprietary server hosting tools are not intellectual property
Damn I can't believe I own Call of Duty™ and 106 other IPs thanks to FOOLISH developers letting me uhhhhhhhhhh host a multiplayer match for my friends

>>714981129
>KNOW for a fact
that retarded commies caused this and I won't mind because it's not a fixed date anyway.
>but but Fortnite will close down in 2020
>ops,2021
>oops 2022
any day now

fuck pirate software
fuck chet faliszek

>>714971164
>late stage capitalism
this initiative didn't start in 1925, the fuck are you talking about

>>714981257
>I should be allowed to use my product until the end of times
strictly speaking you can, it's just that the company won't host it forever, the alternative is making every company sell GaaS, remind me why we actually want that again?

>>714974160
using Magic Numbers in a decade long project definitely is a demerit, don't accuse people of being mad if they're right

>>714982329
Hey Dr. Comma Splice, can you speak some fucking English?

>>714970521
Isn't this guy genuinely mentally ill?

>>714982329
>the alternative is making every company sell Gaas
Or... releasing the tools so that the community can do it themselves, with no cost on the dev/publisher.
Are you retarded on purpose or you seriously have zero idea what the initiative is even about?
Don't answer, I know you're a corporate shill. Die in hell, demon.

>>714976023
>no, stop, the government making laws is always bad!!!
>apple wasn't hurt by the USB C thing? what do you mean? of course they were, because the government making laws is always bad
>companies needing to give you all the data they have of you whenever you ask? that couldn't possibly be true, the government making laws is always bad
>game companies HAVE to give you refunds for things you haven't played that long? that would kill companies! the government making laws is always bad!
>no law will ever be made to give a reasonable benefit to consumers without killing the poor corporations, because the government making laws is always bad

>>714976347
>1 million signatures worth of people boycott all video games without an end of life plan
>game sells 10 million - 1 million copies
>game reaches end of service in 6 months because they could build a yacht out of cash shop profits, but gold plating is out of scope and that ruins the whole endeavor
>nearly identical game released
>9 million sales again
>golden yacht has masturbator machines in every room too
>corps happy
>voting with my wallet worked guys!
>so glad i exercised that critical thinking

Reminder that we wouldn't have fucking seatbelts if a similar initative wasn't launched a long time ago.
The corporations back then also said it's not feasible and they'd go bankrupt if they had to install seatbelts in their cars.

>>714983539
>with no cost on the dev/publisher
you've somehow managed to be even dumber than the idiots writing these proposals

>>714963549 (OP)
Normies "buy" these online games oblivious to the fact they will lose access to them. It's for their own good they make informed financial decisions. Maybe then they'll reconsider and companies will stop producing future lost media. Look at the bigger picture.

>>714981508
the "minority" of signatures here is enough market share to bring any reasonably budgeted project success

on that note, there are MORE whales in gacha games spending $3000 in one banner than the number of signatures on that petition

voting with your wallet died when total money spent on a game became uncapped. there's a reason democracy doesn't sell votes directly.

>>714982329
do you just not believe in server software or games that can be played offline
if i showed you a disk from the ps3 downwards would you piss yourself

>people not understanding that a european initiative is not a simple petition, it's a legal tool for citizens to kickstart a legislative process that can end in ratifying new laws as long as the number of required valid signatures are marked
>speculated fantasy arguments made in bad faith to maintain legal grey-areas will surely win against the legislative body known to actively regulate everything in favour of their customer rights
>whatever ends up happening, foreign companies will still comply while loudly bitching and moaning
No idea what SKG was or that it existed until recently but shit's pretty entertaining.

>>714983871
list the costs. assume the game started its efforts to comply on inception, because any game before this law would be grandfathered in (a majority of EU vassals do not allow ex post facto laws)

Why do euros based face so hard when the government regulates private companies that are in no way essential services like video games? It's fucking pathetic. You guys can't innovate anymore so you're just some hall monitor tattle tale trying to tell asia and america how to do business. Fuck off.

>>714984790
unlike burgers, EVROPEans like having rights.

>>714984790
if americans could sign this we'd be way past a million sigs, faggot
if you weren't jewish you'd remember we actually like owning our shit

>>714984790
>your car is not essential
>therefore the company selling it should have the right to come to your house and destroy it after 2 years
>your computer is not essential
>therefore the company selling it should have the right to come to your house and destroy it after 2 years
>your phone is not essential
>therefore the company selling it should have the right to come to your house and destroy it after 2 years

Why are the people simping for corpos against government involvement in markets yet don't argue for the repealing of trademarks and copyright?

>>714984790
>why do you do this thing but not the other thing
>think of the poor private companies
Get better material. This is about games and nothing more, nothing less. So stop trying to redirect this into some political or culture war bullshit.

>>714985046
Makes you wonder who's behind those posts...

>>714983383
Ratman is real???

>>714985046
corpos stand to gain more in a pro-copyright market than an anti-copyright one
everyone on the corpo's side here is either paid or mentally a slave to their IPs

>>714985002
You're a cuck that needs mommy and daddy government to wipe your ass for you. You are the descendents of cowards who were too scared to cross the Atlantic and make it in America.

>>714985237
>excercising your rights makes you a coward
>the real chad move is to get fucked by the corporations instead

>>714985046
It makes sense for a company to advocate for laws for towards their own benefit. They're companies aiming for profit, not charities.
Fuck off if you think consumers should do the same though, that's government overreach.(There are people who actually think like this.)

>>714985315
You can just not buy from a company. The government is non negotiable. They will throw your ass in jail if you if you don't comply. how do you not understand this difference?

>they become aware
>they start poisoning the well by trying to equate the movement to both gamergate and communism
this shit really is their favorite tactic, huh?

>>714982329
Or you just make the game playable offline.
>B-but muh costs
I don't care. Solve it.

>>714984762
tens of billions, maybe even hundreds of billions, because you're essentially asking for a large scale overhaul of all netcode, and that's only for the games that it would even begin to be possible to do. most of the bigger multiplayer games the way they're made today would be straight up impossible to be made to be available for community projects. companies would be unwilling to front the costs, or completely unable to comply, so their only option would be to offer every single game as GaaS, which is the exact reverse opposite of what everyone wants

>>714985452
i'm sure they'll toss in antisemitism and pedo accusations too at some point

>>714985429
>just vote with your wallet bro
end your life

>>714985507
the proposals don't apply to GaaS, so they won't solve it actually, you'll now just be renting everything, you'll own nothing and be happy. please tell me why anybody should support this again?

>>714963549 (OP)
>tfw europoor
>of the opinion you should get to own your game and be able to play them like we always did in the past
>astroturfing shills and retards on /v/ tell me that is somehow communism or unrealistic standards for the heckin deverinos or something
whatever you say retards, i'm still signing

(the developers of The Crew themselves supported SKG when that was being shut down btw, so that point is bullshit anyway)

Anyway, i'm off to play a game released over 20 years ago that is no longer supported by its developers and was actively removed from all storefronts by it's publisher online with randoms on dedicated servers hosted by the players themselves.

Later kings!

>>714985046
>you're simping for corpos if you don't want to monkey's paw everyone in to GaaS

>>714985698
owning products you buy is communism

>>714984790
The market isn't essential to your company, either comply or take your goods and fuck off.

>>714985548
Everyone is going to get subscription priced for games. This is the only way this works. You want consent support for a game then you're gonna have to pay for it. It's going to be a win win for everyone in the industry. The government isnt going to save you and demand companies offer services for free in fucking video games

>>714984790
consumer rights are essential in first world countries

>>714985768
Corpocucks GENUINELY believe this and it makes me understand why companies gleefully cultivate their kind without shame
Textbook example of goyim

>>714985786
>Everyone is going to get subscription priced for games
you will own nothing, and be happy!
thanks but no thanks corpo shill

>>714985548
>>714985762
>just keep getting fucked over
>because... because you could be making it worse!
I fucking hate cowards like you, you're the lowest of low, worse than a dog. Never take a stop forward, never try to change for the better, because you're afraid of making it worse.
If everyone was like you we're be extinct long time ago.

>>714969035
Dumbass gamers did indeed think companies would just hand it over.
Smart gamers realized you'll need legislation to force them.

>>714963549 (OP)
>start game
>title screen
>tiny font under title
>service may be terminated at a future, unspecified time
>press start
>BUY THE NEW ULTRA GIGA NIGGA BATTLEPASS FOR $99.99
>gamer purchases without a second thought
it's weird that people think anything else will happen.

>>714985657
They are welcome to try tying the noose around their own neck with that stunt, it will only make them go bankrupt faster.

>>714985786
I wonder why they didn't do this already. Surely it'd be more economical viable as opposed to having an offline mode patched in at the end of support or dedicated server tools right?

>>714971665
>jfk jr
qanon, please.

>>714985768
YOU HAVE NEVER OWNED A GAME. GET A FUCKING OLD GAME NOW AND LOOK AT THE LICENSE AGREEMENT. YOU HAVE ALWAYS ONLY HAD A LIMITED LICENSE TO PLAY THE GAME UNDER SPECIFIC TERMS. THIS APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF CONSIMER MEDIA. YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED YOUVE NEVER OWNED A FUCKING VIDEO GAME YOU'VE MERELY HAD THE LICENSE TO PLAY A COPY OF IT EDUCATE YOURSELF

>>714986024
>service may be terminated at a future, unspecified time
The fact that americans think is a possible outcome (ambiguity of duration on this level for a paid service is already illegal here) is comical to me and only reinforces the idea of them being cattle. That said, credit where it's due since Ross is one of them but moved to Poland.

>>714985875
DESTROY THEM NOW
DESTROY THEM YOU COMMUNIST

Nothing will change except the almighty corporations torturing the cattle to punish them for acting like people.

>>714985958
>guys if we twist companies arms in to selling every game as GaaS then we win because uh... it's like more fair or something?
>but I don't want GaaS
>confused seething
how about just come up with a better idea, like requiring base games are sold as goods, and online services are sold as services, without convoluted and unrealistic demands that will only drive the industry further towards GaaS?

>>714986142
In other words, you own YOUR copy.

>>714982329
>Offline games and hosted servers don't exist
Sometimes I forget the average user here has never played a physical game and are too young to know what LAN means.

>>714970521
Does Sargon have an opinion on SKG?

>>714986142
Majority of the time, an indefinite copy of a perpetual and intangible good that does not naturally expire. Good grounds to start legislating.

>>714986387
Fucking hell, can you stop your GaaS schizo ramble already? You're acting like that's already a done deal, this is going to happen, it is inevitable.
Shut the fuck up you stupid nigger. We are fighting for your consumer rights too. You will own things and you will be happy, even if your programming forbids that.

>>714986338
Not legally binding, would love to see Ubisoft and co test this in court.

>>714986393
No that's not how that works. You think you own it but it's always been a license. The physical disc or cart or whatever is merely plastic and metal

>>714963549 (OP)
If it wasn't going to do anything, the lobby would not have bothered commenting
The people claiming it will stifle creativity are the same ones behind slop like Ubishit or like EA who tried to force GAAS slop repeatedly, or are just furries with a vested interest in its failure

>>714986230
anon, random lifespans on services that can be killed off completely at random is very legal in america. it's basically in every single contract ever, and not just tv, or video games, but your internet, or job too. america is a legitimate corporate hellscape. back in 2011 there was this movement called "occupy wallstreet", it was about the poor and middle class rising up together to pushback on the 1% ruining the country. it was infiltrated by the government in weeks, and led to weapons manufacturers sponsoring pride month, and black lives matter. a class war was instantly converted into a race and culture war that is still going to this day. leftwing america was transformed into a violent political arm of corporations and bankers in the blink of an eye, and to this day they fight in favor of modern day slavery. it's legitimately insane.

>>714986387
>selling every game as GaaS
This is P. Softie making up shit that nobody's asking for and has nothing to do with the initiative again.

>>714986546
I would like to see Ubisoft and other videogame publishers raped by the EU for the shit they've been tyring to pull.

>>714970962
>start killing developers
now thats a petition i would get behind

>>714963549 (OP)
that's not what an 'end of life' plan is.

>>714986627
EU already has precedent that perpetual licenses equal owning and give the consumer the same protections as regular products such as resale.

>>714986627
>merely plastic and metal
Plastic and metal containing what? Go on, tell me what data is written into that plastic and metal

>>714986397
offline games aren't being targeted by the proposals
>>714986513
>GaaS schizo ramble
you're the one advocating FOR GaaS, you want games to be sold with an explicit subscription for an amount of time, that's GaaS, and it means nobody owns their games, why do any of us want that?
>>714986725
actually I'm not making up anything. the only real argument ross has that it won't end up monkey's pawing the industry towards GaaS is "well back in my day everquest didn't do so well", things have changed since then

>>714973030
Their ability to express themselves is more important than your consumer protections, commie

Why the fuck do consumer rights make burgers seethe so much?

>>714985698
>whatever you say retards, i'm still signing
based

>>714986707
Occupy Wall Street was just proto sjw spoiled NYU students who wanted to party in the park. Its insane how zoomers are trying to rewrite history like it was a serious thing. It was incredibly cringe and meant nothing. I have hundreds of videos to prove this too.

>>714963549 (OP)
>never improve anything unless its 100% what i want in complete
>hehe i bet no one knows that i am either completely retarded or a try hard subversive cunt who is actually against this hehe i am sooo smurt!

faggot run into a wall

>the more we obfuscate what the initiative about the less reasonable we can make it seem
>the less reasonable it seems the easier it is to dismiss
>the easier it is to dismiss makes it easier to not get under lawmakers's noses
>and if nobody with the power to get into into law sees it nothing will change
>kekeku, just as planned
I'm suddenly reminded of how McDonalds spread a misinformation campaign about the woman who sued them for her coffee being too hot. Today people know her as being some poor whiny baby when the reality was she (and others) suffered severe burns.

Of course the truth hurts McDonalds so that wasn't allowed to be the narrative.

>>714963549 (OP)
>tries to demoralize
Not going to work! We will save videogames! We will own our videogames!

>>714986936
Soon your "consumer rights" will include protecting you from depictions of the prophet Muhammad or anything else harram. Rights are meant to be passive and self evident like the right to free speech not just more government meddling.

>>714963549 (OP)
Kill live service games
Delete live service games
Replace live service devs with AI
Slamdunk a live service source code into the recycle bin

>>714963549 (OP)
I'm wearing a t-shirt that says I might be carrying illegal weapons with me. Police can't touch me, since there is a disclaimer.

>>714986936
you could slip in child sacrifice and surprise wage garnishment into a EULA and retards would defend it

If it's so easy to get around those things why didn't those companies do it?
> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to third-party storefronts.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to sideloading apps.
> Forced Apple to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Google to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Google to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Play Store.
> Forced Google to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Play Store.
> Forced Meta to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Meta to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Meta to not be able to press tracking ads on users under the legal grounds of 'legitimate interest' or 'necessity of contract'
> Forced Microsoft to offer browser choice.
> Forced Microsoft to loosen their hold over Windows Update and when it installs updates.
> Forced Microsoft to respect users' browser choice and not try to weasel in Edge everywhere.
> Forced Microsoft to make Edge uninstallable.
> Forced Microsoft to turn down the level of telemetry sent by Windows.

>>714986936
it is a mystery

>>714987230
In America it's completely legal and you can buy the shirts on amazon

>>714985046
I'm saying it's paid shills and I'm not going to take my meds.

>>714987212
Being able to use things I bought without an arbitrary self-destruction clause annihilating them seems pretty self evident to me

>>714987301
the more these retards come up with contrieved narratives to shit on this the more you realize they are braindead morons and bootlickers of the literal biggest entertainment industry on the planet (literally bigger than movies and music combined)

>>714987117
A lot of videogame publishers are similarly evil.

>>714987421
Just don't buy things that you don't like, how about that?

>>714986936
They don't, I've only seen Americans praise this movement and support it, despite not being able to join it. You're just obsessed.

>>714987497
But I like the things. I like them so much that I want to keep using them without the producer deciding that I had enough fun and blowing them up.

>>714987564
this
ross is american, the political landscape here is just infested with bad actors so nothing similar can be pulled here

>Code the impossible
>Write the unwritable
ROW ROW, FIGHT THE POWER

>Run the unrunnable
>Patch the unpatchable
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

>Whatchu gonna play is what you wanna play, just
>Host the game and you see the truth, uhuh

>This is the theme of the /v/ coming through baybee
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

>>714977508
>private server dode
But there is no code involved. Do you seriously believe that stuffing a dedicated server exe into a decompiler is going to grant you ancient chinese secrets used by the ultra hyper competent devs that will instantly make you own the game? You're a fucking idiot. Stop regurgitating this dogshit every thread.

>>714986627
If there is no clear expiration date, it's indefinite.
If it stops working naturally because the physical disk or the plastic melted, the creator isn't responsible unless there was an intentional manufacturing defect.
If it stops working because the creator patched it to brick it because they don't want their old product to compete with their new product, customer protection laws will supersede any EULA or TOS pretending that reserving the right to nuke your copy is legal.
And that's not even taking into account that a digital good itself is perpetual & can't naturally expire.

>>714987301
>>714987443
making every online game GaaS complies fully, do you want that?
>>714987421
When your GaaS subscription ends the product self destructs

>>714987497
You may cry, piss and shit yourself the the EU regulations are coming.
>Just don't buy things that you don't like, how about that?
I bet you are one of those people who'd be smoking asbestos cigrettes cus you like them and not listening to those commies wanting to make asbestos illegal.

>>714982246
>fuck pirate software
If it's all the same to you, I'd rather not. Only God knows what went up that hole before and possibly got lodged there to slowly fester and decay.

The fact that lobbyists are openly meddling now is clear proof that yes, something is going to happen.
>b-but it won't do anything!
Then why are they shaking in their boots?

>>714987796
ROW ROW ROW
Good god I miss the feeling of seeing TTGL for the first time with everyone

>>714984790
pic related is what muhammad and the whole of the muslism world worships btw

>>714985548
>hundreds of billions to bundle test server with some anticheat and data harvesting nonsense ripped out
>brings up netcode for some reason

>>714988070
It's crazy what one call-out video from the moldman led to.

>>714984790
>You guys can't innovate anymore
Take all your electronic devices, your computers; your game consoles; your phone; your smart-watches; your smart thermostats.
Cram them all into a nice bug; walk up to the roof of your shithole apartment building and throw it over.

You have no right to any of them.
An EU company invented the technology to etch the modern-era microchips making those devices possible, and is currently the only company in the world capable of manufacturing the chipfabs capable of making those chips.
How's that for innovation?

It's actually sickening at how much of the pushback against this is from misrepresenting the goals. It's happening so often that it has to be willful at this point.

>>714987968
>This nigger is seriously comparing consuming poison to not getting to play video games forever

>>714988119
I can only imagine. It's been a similar pleasure showing it to friends who somehow know nothing about it though. Seeing the movie in theaters recently was also phenomenal.

>skiggers were proven to be newfags that don't know what 4chanx is or how filenames work
>the skigger botnet started systematically attacking 4chanx and proposing the end of anonymity on 4chan
You are the most disgusting tourists this website has ever received. You are so vile that you make gamergate tourists and 2016 election tourists look godtier in comparison.

>>714988351
>missing the point on purpose
sasuga shill-sama

>>714987921
Kek, I dare every AAA companies, publishers and independent game studios to only make their games accessible via monthly subscriptions with price ranges going anywhere from 10 to 50$, I'm sure that will be economically viable in the long run instead of having offline modes and dedicated server tools.

>>714988304
FUCK YOU INTEL AND TEXAS INSTRUMENTS ARE ALL I NEED.

>>714988430
They are going to make games like Spotify or Netflix. You'll pay 50 dollars a month to play any game you want. That's the end game.

>>714985786
Nobody is asking for constant first party support of every video game.

>>714988430
That's never going to happen, it's basically suicide in today's market to use sub fee plans, because they have been shown, via economic analysis to be far less profitable than milking people with micortransactions. Only ancient mmos can sustain that kind of thing these days because they already have established followings. It's why every new mmo release today nominally is "f2p", but is riddled with lootboxes and gacha tier mechanics. They absolutely will comply.

>>714965274
>So companies just might make a shitty offline single player mode in all their games and say "See, it's reasonably playable".
I am fine with that.

>>714988554
It's literally illegal to use unsupported software. Read the EULA.

>>714988312
Course it is. You always find the same false and misleading talking points being rehashed over and over, in some apparent hope that some of they stick. It's even worse on twatter and through game journos who are, as usual playing defense for the industry. Not even gonna mention their retarded "ideas" here because any attention they get is just playing into their game.

>>714988621
>read this non-binding, non-contract
To what end?

>>714986926
You can still make an hour long walking sim about depression, nobody is stopping you. You are not entitled to have your expression be economically viable business model.
Also ironically commies would probably favour making personal expression instead of pursuing whatever makes money.

>>714988351
Just don't buy it faggot

Nothing will happen.
This will not pass.
You e-celeb worshiping tourists will be removed from this website.
The purge will happen soon.

>>714963549 (OP)
What is going to happen: EU is going to have a "look" at it, meaning that a couple of interns get locked into a room for an hour to draft a non-answer and then life will go on for everyone as if nothing had happened.

>nobody on twitch is talking about this
>nobody on tiktok either
lmao dead movement from the get-go.

>people are already getting sick of subscriptions
>this niggers says that companies will just turn to subscription model for games instead of complying with the new laws
You know what? I'd like to see that. I want to see the big publishers going bankrupt because nobody is going to fucking play along with that.

>>714988621
>EULA
>Related to legality
What third world hellscape are you living in?

>>714988702
Makes you wonder why their is so much pushback then.

>>714987564
More or less this. The only people I know who are opposed to it are only getting their news from corpos and corpo shills against it, and typically do a 180 on their opinion once they actually see what it's really about.

>>714971029
Depression Quest 2 MMO

>>714976432
>Despite no one liking Concord, it was a huge and massive success!
This is how retarded you sound.

>>714988759
How is going for a subscription model not complying with the laws? You think you can force them on their prices too?

>>714988759
>Publishers go bankrupt
>All the IP's they're hoarding scatter like dragon balls
Now that I'd like to see.

>>714988216
it's not 2005 anymore, hosting a game is vastly more complex
>anticheat and dozens of other services ripped out
so at what point in this ship of theseus mishmash are you even making the same game anymore? would sea of thieves really be the same game without any voice chat? not that it even matters, they'll just skip all that bullshit and sidestep SKG by selling it as GaaS so they don't need to comply with that nonsense, then you'll own nothing and be happy

You will bend the knee. Your digital wild west is over, game publishers.

>>714988841
I'm opposed to any government overreach, that simple. Euros are far too comfortable with their government interfering in every aspect of their life. It's a very cuck mindset.

SKG newfags gb2reddit

>>714988851
Mindseye is a critical success. You lost.

>>714978827
>misinformation is a buzzword
>nothing of worth or value to say
heh

>>714989025
yes, we know government overreach means anything pushed from the consumer end while corpos in that same country lobby that same government 24/7

>>714970962
Based psy op to get MORE people to sign.

>>714988693
The only thing not passing is you.

>>714989025
>corporations literally lobby politicians to pass laws friendly to said corporations
>this is fine
>regular people try to get some of their rights back from corporations
>this is government overreach!

>>714988583
>it's basically suicide in today's market
the overwhelming majority of games aren't even physical and the vast majority of gamers are already paying a subscription fee of some kind or other, GaaS is far far more viable today than it ever was, and not only that but subscription services in general are quickly becoming much more viable, today everyone has spotify subscriptions, it's just a commonplace thing and has been for over a generation, the idea that "well back in my day everquest didn't do so well" ross and SKG espouse is just head in the sand retardation that I'm fucking baffled people are stupid enough to go along with, guess that goes to show how much retards here will eat up anything that has some gay streamer drama involved

>>714986904
Nobody is asking for a subscription to every game.

They're asking for games to not have a killswitch when the owner's personal server is turned off. They don't prescribe a way to achieve this, but releasing server files for all to use or just making an offline-playable game in the first place are two obvious routes to do it, so those are mentioned the most.

Do not waste all your energy arguing with shills. They are not here to debate you. They are here to spam and strawman and misdirect. You cannot win an argument started in bad faith. You can only hope to ensure others do not fall for their shit. Things are pretty good here. Even in their own threads they get clowned and have to start again.

Spread the word. Keep morale up. Build comradery.
This shit is in the bag.

I remember being shocked that americans got upset at a bunch of proposed laws that tried to ban poisonous substitutes from their food since it made things more expensive for the companies pushing them out.
>Just stop buying it!
Yes, I'm sure Company A has zero interest in suppressing information that would result in changes to spending habits (curiously not illegal)
Isn't it funny how intimate knowledge of Boeing airplanes dramatically reduces your life expectancy?

>>714989368
>owning things is e-celeb drama

>>714988959
>hosting a game is vastly more complex
Yeah? Who says? You?
>would sea of thieves really be the same game without any voice chat?
Are you trying to tell me that voip is some sort of lost tech? Counter Strike 1.5 had it and you could host your own servers. Still can, in fact.

>>714989338
Both of these can be bad at the same time. It doesn't make it better because reddit approves the overreach

>>714989338
What right have you lost, especially in relation to games, name some.

>>714989525
You know what redditors also do? They breathe.
You should stop doing that.

>>714989025
You're right, only corporations should be petitioning governments to push for legislations against any basic individual rights that goes against their interests.

>>714989473
>Isn't it funny how intimate knowledge of Boeing airplanes dramatically reduces your life expectancy?
Pure happenstance.

I hate how this movement both addresses AND completely ignores companies that press an End of Service button and throw everything in a digital paper shredder when sales slow down. Mobile games are killing the industry the fastest and casuals happily put hundreds into them just to have their progress deleted and the games permanently terminated and destroyed so nobody can touch it again. This world is a fucked up popularity contest and dickriding casual gamers will defend it and make preservation impossible

Pirate software will win in the end
Just like he said, SKG will get what it asked for, not what it wants

>>714989457
You tell 'em king!

Remember, the devs of one of the most seminal and best games of all time released their sourcecode and some of their oldest games still have a lively modding and multiplayer community to this day.

>>714989547
Ownership. Don't like that? Then you are a commie faggot.

>>714989473
>Isn't it funny how intimate knowledge of Boeing airplanes dramatically reduces your life expectancy?
kek

>>714989687
You have never owned a game, do you even understand what "owning" means?

>>714989447
>two obvious routes to do it
actually the most obvious route to it is to just release the game as GaaS, which is what companies really want to do anyway, that's why they spend all kinds of money making these services as attractive as possible. if given an option to spend tens to hundreds billions overhauling every online game that isn't just flat out impossible to be able to be hosted from consumer hardware, that is to say nearly all AAA games
>>714989457
you are a shill, you're shilling for GaaS
>but at least it's le fair, you will be happy if you own nothing!!!
kys corpo

>>714989682
how does this guy always have the correct opinions?

>>714989525
What's the last time you protested government overreach when it was the lobbies pushing for it then?

>>714989780
People are too stupid to understand this. They literally think they used to "own" games and it wasn't always a license

>>714989803
He's just that based

>>714989865
>this pilpul again
Post nose.

>>714989827
Have you ever protested anything besides muh video games? You're just hopping on a bandwagon because some streamer told you to care

>>714989865
>>714989780
>the only thing the corposhill can respond with is pointless semantics
I bought a game in 2004. I can still play it today. I own it, even when the developer/publisher company is long gone.
Some of the games I bought 2 years ago are unplayable today, even though the companies are alive and well.
Eat shit, corponigger.

>>714989974
Answer the question, shill.

>>714989827
he'll only keyboard protest when it's both something superficial and also against his own interest
contrarianCHAD indeed

>>714989974
I attended a civil protest over a local school being closed. What not?

The petition getting the amount of signatures doesn't mean they have to do anything but consider it. So what's realistically going to happen is they just say "nah" and that's the end of it, especially with faggots like nintendo and sony lobbying against it. I think if it went any further than that, some games would probably just skip EU release entirely. Some companies and events do that already when feel like dealing with the bureaucracy isn't worth the money they'd make.

I did sign the petition and I would take the latter option if it meant hurting AAA developers in any small way though.

>>714989519
>just take out anticheat
>just take out voip
>just take out texture streaming
>just take out server side physics
>just take out everything in the game
>just make a new game

>>714990120
Apple is bigger than both of those and was made to comply

>>714989865
An indefinite license. If the license doesn't have a clear end of use date or an expiration date, it's indefinite.

>>714990004
You did not buy a game, you bought a CD that has a license that permits you to use the software on the CD according to their EULA. That's it, you do not have ownership of any code or files on the medium. Legally speaking you can't even share it with any of your relatives or friends without breaking law.

>>714990123
Yes. Start making games again, not outsourcing to 2000 subcontractors. If your retarded shit business model can't survive, I won't cry after it.

>>714970337
So? What do you think that means?
Release the binaries or the executables for a dedicated servers. Don't provide documentation or instructions, or even the source-code if you don't want to.
The community is always able to figure out how to run things.
We were able to figure out how to run local self-hosted servers for fucking hoyverse games like genshin. We've been doing this since early MMO games.

>>714990123
Yes. Isn't what they keep telling us when we don't like something? Just make your own country, your own economy, your own business, your own isp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEeuErCKojk

>>714990123
Yes.
If you make a game with all of these despite knowing your legal obligations would force you to remove them all at a later date, it's on you.

>>714989946
>esl babble
Post hand

>>714988693
Rape Aquabaiter (with love!)

>>714963549 (OP)
Eat my entire ass

>>714990203
Ok? I can still play that game from 2004 today though. And I can't play the one from 2 years ago.
Nothing you say has anything to do with this.
As I said, you don't have an argument.

When i was a teenager all multiplayer games were LAN. There were no cheaters. Cheaters started appearing with ''online''.

>>714990229
r u sure?

>>714990123
Yes. Plan for a sunsetting scenario from the offset, I don't give two shits about how much work that is for you. You sold me a product, now make it so I can always play it, that is your responsibility.

>>714990310
>I can buy the game!
>point out you can't
>NO, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU SAID
Just take the roap, we do not need roaches.

>>714989682
>>714989682
Do you guys have any idea how fewer developers/designers/artists/mapmakers/etc we'd have TO THIS DAY if it were not for Doom/Quake, their modability, and the example they set for other games to do the same in the coming decades? Those who's interest was sparked playing these games and the untold hours of fan content created for them? Those who cut their teeth making levels for their favorite game, making art to swap out the enemies, leading projects and designing total conversions? People porting the game as a programming exercise?

It's not just about keeping what you paid for, this is LIFE-CHANGING SHIT we're talking about here. Not just for the individual but for all they interact with and all who engage with their creations and so on, and so forth.

We're fighting for the futures of HUMAN BEINGS and in turn, fighting for the future of societies and culture as a whole.

>>714990443
>not my heckin' eulerino!
I wipe my ass with your non-contracts.

>>714990348
...of what?

>>714990120
they'll just do exactly the same thing they've been doing before and release to europe exlusively as GaaS, or maybe that's just the push they need to convince them it's worth trying for the rest of the world
>>714990225
>>714990250
>>714990263
>>714990440
if you think they'll go for that you're larping, they'll just keep it all in and sell it as GaaS, then you'll own nothing and be happy corposhill

>>714990510
I'm sure it will happen exactly as you say it will, visajeet.

>>714990310
You can play games from the 90s in multiplayer still. EA is killing Anthem in 180 days and that game is from 2019. There are games that get killed after only a few months. Videogames have turned gaming to shit. Videogame publishers have been exploiting the fact that a lot of people playing videogames are younger.

>>714990502
The only thing you are wiping your ass with are the grass leaves once your mother kicks you out on the street. Quit 4chan and get a job, might raise IQ by a point or two.

>>714990510
Sure they will my dear shill. I'll laugh heartily as they go bankrupt one after another when they realize that nobody is going to pay multiple subscriptions to play their games. I hope you get a lot of rupees for this valiant effort of yours.

>>714990501
They want to destroy that because if you do it, they can't control the output. Corpos first and foremost are control freaks ran by psychos. What exists without their control, exists without their consent.

>>714990501
GUYZ REMEMBER LE HECKIN DOOMERINOS!!!
it's 2025 grandad, if you force companies to choose between GaaS and whatever giving you free games forever they'll sell you the GaaS

EULA
Oh yes, I've definitely read that.

>>714990510
>if you force them to do that they'll do the exact same thing they are doing currently
Oh, no.

>>714990595
You seem upset I mocked your masters. Do you get paid extra to defend their honor here?

>>714990664
And I shan't buy. Your move, seller.

>>714990664
>free games
But I paid for them. Are you confusing the narrative again, retarded monkey?

>>714990123
>only companies that do that are AAA companies selling 80$ games that are filled with software that collect data, anti-tampering and DRM that do nothing except worsen stability and performance, that look worse and have less content than a game developed by an actually competent game studio that releases a game already compliant with what SKG wants
I don't see a downside.

>>714990629
>nobody is going to pay multiple subscriptions to play their games
pretty much every gamer pays subscriptions already, not only that but every person in a first world country pays all kinds of subscriptions for spotify, amazon and all kinds of things, SKG's only argument against this is but muh everquest didn't do so well.

>>714988621
EULA agreements are not law, and you've completely hallucinated what my point is.

This initiative does not require piracy or hacking, and I'll repeat, it does not require the developer to update it after official servers go down.

In its current state, it requires developers to plan for the game to be playable without THEIR servers.

They could release dedicated server files to do this. Many games use this solution.

If private servers appear before the official ones die, they could legitimize the use of them. Visually, this could look like how Warframe's PVP looks, since that's 12 guys playing between 2 private servers with weapon banlists and Digital Extremes doesn't bat an eye at the state of things over there. It could also look like Ragnarok Online's RateMyServer community, just without servers getting C&D's if they do too well.

They could also just make a fucking singleplayer game. You cannot be pinged for not having an end of life plan if your software was never a live service.

There are other solutions. Problems are never black and white. The important part is that the initiative does not prescribe any one of these as a one size fits all solution, just posits that the developer solve the problem.

>>714990819
Whoa calm down there, Charles Dickens.

>>714990501
Very reddit post

>fast food place sells burgers with feces in them
>wtf they shouldn't do that, I'm going to sign a petition that prohibits them from putting shit in their food
>"Um you know you could just not buy the burgers right?"

>>714990250
>just restructure your development and game for EOL
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I SHOULD MAKE MY OWN GAME, ARE YOU INSANE?

>>714990819
>If private servers appear before the official ones die, they could legitimize the use of them.
City of Heroes online did that, with Nexon being the publisher, of all companies, it was quite surprising. But it set an important precedent as it was the first time quite possibly in ever when the reins of an mmo were officially passed down to its community by its publisher.

>>714963549 (OP)
would be nice if business goes as usual but EU gets banned from all live service games

>>714990931
Yes, you will comply or you will fuck off. Stop reaching into people's households to steal things they bought from them.

>>714990798
>People pay for a lot of services already that's why they will also pay for these 10+ extra subscriptions to various gaming publishers
Lmao. Go right ahead, I want them to try this.

>>714990908
>NOOO IM TOO RETARDED TO NOT EAT THE SHIT BURGER HELP ME STATE!

>>714988621
Woah. I better throw this out before the cops get me my dude.

>>714990949
Live service games aren't distributed by one single monolithic corporate entity. Every single company will have to make their own choices in regards to that. I'm sure some might decide to pull out of the European markets and that is fine.

>>714981129
>This game will cease to function July 2027
Nobody truly knows when a game will cease to function. It's entirely dependent on the initial and continued success of the game. The service ends when it's no longer financially viable to continue supporting it.

>>714990949
This is what I'm praying for

>>714991063
>SKG supporters ar paedos
Imagine my shock!!

>>714990949
Would be great. Everyone in the EU will switch to GOG. More powert to GOG is always great. More DRM free games is always great.

>>714990798
I don't pay for any such subscriptions.

>>714991047
>LEAVE THE SNAKE OIL MERCHANT THAT FALSELY ADVERTISED HIS PRODUCT ALOOOOOONE!

>>714991047
you're right, stealing should be legal too
i should be able to come to your house and rob you blind, you don't get to complain, shouldn't have let yourself get robbed lmao

>>714990908
>hmmm this factory has childworkers and no safety so at least one kid a day gets eaten by a machine
>oh well let's do nothing about it
>banning childlabor and putting safety regulations in place would only harm the economy afer all

>>714989803
high iq

>>714991090
Exactly. So make it playable when you intend to kill it. SIMPLE ASS.

>>714991098
Start Killing Games, hellyeah brother!
Hope Ross is successful with it.

>>714990321
when I was a teenager I watched my friend cheat on splinter cell by standing open in the middle of the map then just calling the other guy who died and was in spectator mode and having him tell him when to do the melee thing whenever the other guys tried to sneak up.

>>714990931
Just like they change content for rating boards and copyright laws(remember the marathon plagiarism)?

>>714991104
>paedo
You can't even keep sandbrowns and pajeets out of your country and we're supposed to listen to your opinion?

>>714990949
>EU is free of Microsoft, Blizzard, EA and all
>Ubisoft finally goes under
A shame this will never happen. Would make for some very fun shareholder meetings.

>>714991286
Someday, someday.

>>714989802
You've been saying this a lot. Just so I know you're not saying GaaS because it's a four letter word, can you tell me why it would be exempt from a law that was envisioned after another GaaS (The Crew) died?

>>714991167
does that mean I have high iq by proxy because I always agree with him?

>>714990123
How about you design the game so it's easy to do because you knew you'd have to do it anyway. Better yet, design the game around community servers from the start instead of centralizing all of it.
For the few true MMOs games that aren't just instanced dungeons anyway and wouldn't be viable to run, charge subscriptions. Those sort of games usually do anyway because they are fairly niche and can get away with it.

>>714991406
yes

>anime girl pastas
>blatant bait
>attempts at derailing
>demoralizing and "why bother???"
>"you're commies!!!!"
>"STOP STOP STOP the EU is going to make things worse!!!!!!!"
>"hmmm you want devs to support games forever????" and other bullshit that has been asked and answered 1 million times already
>"this is not vidya related go to /pol/"
>dumping actual CP
>when that doesn't work, dumping nude selfies and gay porn
>"this entire thing is reddit"
>"there's no way this goes before EU parliament, signatures will dry up at 1 million"
>"these signatures are all botted"
>DDOSing
>"you just want to profit off of poor devs work"
>"EU parliament will dismiss this"
>"shouldn't we be focusing on more important things like [insert other political talking point here]"
>"you're all hypocrites!!!"
>"this is basically gamergate 2.0, they will never support this"
>"the EU will ignore it"
>"they will just draft some ineffectual law if anything"
>claims that something literally talking about the gaming industry isn't vidya related
>"t-this is eceleb shilling! buy an ad!"
YOU ARE HERE:
>"they will just put a disclaimer on the box, that's it"
>"the extra burden is too much on poor devs"
Every single thread. For the past week, it has been nothing but absolute seething, lying, and pivoting.
How did he do it? How did one moldman buckbreak so many people so thoroughly?

>>714991524
It's just the shills running around the block trying to find any angle to latch onto. They are just not finding any.

>>714987026
post 2.

You guys do realize this is just going to destroy the indie market and leave AAA untouched?

>>714991524
>>DDOSing
Lol. How do you ddos a 4chan post?

>>714991647
>>714991524

>>714991814
How? Indie games don't need huge servers or something like the usual AAA multplayer sloppa

>>714991841
Not the post, there was some denial of service attacks going on against the EU Initiative site as we neared the finish line.
Now whether that was actual DDOSing or just the sheer flood of traffic to the EU government site is up for debate.

>>714991841
DDOSing the skg signing website, retard.

>>714991814
>99% indie games already have offline mode or propose locally hosted servers
Those poor sools.

>>714991814
Oh no. Not the le hecking wholesome unity asset flippers. Not the le hecking copy pasted white-blob characters like the mc in hollow knight. Not the le hecking ugly ass pixel "art" "games".

>>714991814
I just played a a free indie open source fps over the internet with dedicated servers. You have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't some rare exotic occurence.

>>714991286
EU fucks off from steam too
would be glorious

>>714991524
it's a paid corpo campaign, not a single sane person is against having rights to own things.

>>714990123
Anticheat does NOT help the conumser btw
Its main purpose is to stop you pirating cosmetic DLC or changing cosmetic assets locally.

EVERY multiplayer game (doubly so for FPS) is infested with wall hackers and cheaters, but very none have a succesful cosmetics/DLC/battle pass hacking community becuase the devs don't care about using anticheat to make the games better.
They care about using AC to make you CONSOOM.

>>714992045
You're killing developers.

>>714991814
>>714992096
uh oh

>>714990713
so why would you want more of that?
>>714990781
you didn't pay for them all to give you hosting software, and it's not even possible to make that for most modern games, so you're just demanding they either give you free shit or sell you GaaS, which one will they go for moron?
>>714991040
actually since the big studios are buying up all of the various gaming publishers most gamers wouldn't even be changing their spending habits much at all, a good portion of them already buy things like game pass or battle passes voluntarily anyway, making it mandatory isn't as far away as you're trying to make it seem
>>714991141
you're in the vast vast minority, like 70-80% of people on a console do, half of pc gamers, and that's just gaming related

>>714992096
with my bare fucking hands yes

>>714991841
the ECI site suffered repeated DDoS attacks

>>714992045
>clearly breaking Quake's and ID's EULA
Kill yourself. Retards like you deserve the same fate as game modders.

>>714990798
People pay for Gamepass because $10 a month was fine for hundreds of games, but there's no such thing as a permanent subscriber, and Microsoft knows it will eventually run out of fresh buyers.

What you're suggesting is the fragmenting of Netflix into 30 different streaming services, but for every AAA game company. The result of that was an obscene rise in shared sub accounts, TV piracy increasing by orders of magnitude, and 90% of those streaming services shuttering within 2 years once the investor money dried up. If you think corpos are blind and think this is viable, I'm game for round 2 of that, but it's not going to happen.

I also think there's no game you're personally capable of liking that will be affected by this, so you can also weather that two year period, at best. Why don't you go ahead and sign? We could use a crash anyway.

>>714991379
because what's being proposed in terms of the community hosting patch wouldn't apply to GaaS, so companies could avoid being regulated by selling their products as GaaS
>>714991505
if you think they'd actually want to do that rather than just sell GaaS you're retarded. having all of that bloated shit is what makes it viable in the first place, they'd rather keep all that crap in and sell it to europeans as GaaS, but hey, maybe americans too if it ends up being successful, lord knows they're trying their hardest to make that a reality already but you retards go ahead and keep pushing for it
>>714991524
the main argument against it has always been that it makes GaaS a stronger option for publishers corposhill, and keep denying those were fake signatures when SKG themselves confirmed a huge amount of them were botted

>>714992181
>mass one line reply retard
Nah. Eat my entire ass.

>>714992140
>>714992194
You're fucking commies.

>>714991936
Not like 4chan or offshoots haven't been DDOS'd before. Wouldn't surprise me if they were really trying.

>>714989865
Can I legally sell a boxed copy of a game?

>>714992310
>>714992206
>>714991950
>>714991936
Source? Yeah. Good luck providing one, dumbfuck samefag.

>>714992226
>>714992140
>>714992045
>https://steamsolo.com/guide/duskworld-server-hosting-101-dusk/
oh nonononono

>>714991814
If it would leave the AAA market untouched, I don't see why they'd bother lobbying against it

>>714992181
Nigger go for it. Why are you trying to dissuade me? If publishers are going to try make all their games under a subscription fee then go right ahead. I'll be laughing all the way to their funeral.

>lobbyists are now shitting their diapers because they screech IT CANNOT BE DONE!!!
>in a billion dollar industry
Squirm harder schlomos

The only acceptable outcome is self-hosted servers tools being available.
We used to do it out for the love of the game. We can do it again.

>>714991814
>retarded anime poster

>gib free game pl0x!
No. Sign the terms of service.

>>714965274
>>>714963549 (OP)
>Yeah, but they have to be exact. As in "This game will stop working after July 2025". But this could reduce sales in some cases.
That's only if legislation passes that copies the verbage of SKG. It won't, because no petition that passed the 1m signature count (with legitimate signatures, something this one lacks) has actually achieved what it set out for. I can easily see a "compromise" being that there has to be a disclaimer (somewhere in tiny print baked into the middle of the 1,000 page eula) stating that the company reserves the right to close down the servers at any time without warning

>>714992554
Nope.
You do not own the resources to do this, retard.
Read the EULA next time.
You (maybe) own the client to do so, but you will not own the server and companies can't just give away proprietary innovation.

>*sees working old game you paid for with dedicated servers you can still play*
AIYEEEEEEEE

NIGGERMAN, SAVE MEEEEEE

>>714992226
Thust stating EULAs aren't legally binding because modding games are perfectly legal. Eat shit, I'll enjoy my indefinite license one way or another.

>>714991814
Yeah. All those indie games with always-online.

>>714992427
The source is the fact the website was shitting the bed for a good portion of 3rd, dumbass-kun. People could witness it in real time. Suck a dick and choke on it.

>>714992238
actually that would just mean things are harder for competitors of microsoft who can eat the costs and provide the bigger service, they’ll takeover other firms, and gut them which has been happening already, i’m not for encouraging GaaS monopolies

>>714992727
>proprietary innovation
1/10 i replied

>>714992804
>source is a 4chan post
Fuck yourself. Not even gonna open your image.

nuke the eu
nuke china
nuke russia
nuke iran
nuke palestine
and nuke all their allies too

>>714992741
And where is Unreal Tournament now?
That's right, it died because the developers couldn't financially support it because they didn't resell you the same game every 2-3 years!

>>714992493
like 80% of console gamers pay subscription fees and buy battle passes, they dont even come with disc readers by default at this point

>>714992727
>Read the EULA next time.
Aren't legally binding because of grey areas such as
>(maybe)

>>714992880
That's what I thought. Keep sucking the flaccid cocks of all your janny and Discord friends, dumbass newfag.

>>714992510
GaaS can be done easily, and they’d sooner do that than give you free shit retard, keep bleating though you brainless fucking sheep

>>714992983
>YouTube comment from fucking kiwi farms channel
Are.
You.
Fucking.
Kidding me.

>>714992741
Stop killing the industry! PLAY SOMETHING NEW YOU COMMIE

>>714993068
I think you might be terminally retarded.

>>714992741
or they could just sell you GaaS

>>714992941
And yet the customer who paid an indefinite license can still play it with no cost for the company? Incredible!

>>714992954
Cope post.
The EULA is a not a grey agreement.
You either accept it or you do not.

Something i dont understand is game devs who are shutting down the servers would still benifit with these tools coming out. Cut the price of the game in half, put a tag on the storefront that "all online servers are community run, proceed at your own risk". Still get a cut of the money while not using server resources while bringing in newer customers still that do want to play it with friends. Its a win win

>>714992951
Bring it on Mr shill. Lets see you try.

>>714993189
That's not a good thing, less revenue for corporations means jobs may be lost and the global economy will suffer all because of your selfish desire to keep playing outdated games.

>>714992554
they wont do this, they will sell you GaaS instead, tell me why you want this again? and dont tell me its impossible, because most normies are paying for subscriptions and battle passes voluntarily anyway

>>714993068
pretending or clinically retarded

>>714992727
>...companies can't...
They absolutely can. One can argue that they should, which is the entire motivation for this initiative.
You can even find a way to tie the private server tools to a legitimate purchase to stave off pirates. I'd say the vast majority of the cause's supporters aren't asking for free shit. They just don't want to be robbed of something they legitimately purchased.
Planned obsolescence should not be built into software.

>>714993214
If you only know how to make the same game over and over then your previous releases will be in direct competition with your new titles.

>>714993056
>point out how dumb them lobbying is when it can be done
>YOU ARE JUST A SHEEP ASKING FOR TOO MUCH
Oh my god anon shut the fuck up you annoying faggot. If they have to get their arms twisted then they will if this all works out. If it dosent then a ferret fucker gets lambasted forever and suicides. I win either way

>>714992941
ut always allowed you to host games meaning the insane success of ut and the followup games prove you wrong because the first ut having this "feature"(in the past is was standard) didnt prevent it from being a huge success and having several sequels you clown.
I dont know who needs to hear this but making peer to peer connection hosting is the easiest way of doing internet multiplayer by faaaaar and its not even close

>>714992934
>leaves out india and israel
Hmm...

>>714993196
EULA doesn't supersede Customer Protection Laws.
If your EULA states "You own (maybe)", that's a grey area.
If your EULA doesn't state WHEN the license ends, it's indefinite.
If the Agreement is terminated by the Creator without a valid and legit reason ("product competing with its sequel" is not valid), that's grounds for a lawsuit.

>>714992727
>companies can't just give away proprietary innovation.
What about the thousands of examples where they have?
Did The Elder Scrolls suffer because Bethesda released their development kit alongside the game enabling trivial modding and user driven content creation?

>>714993214
who wants some gay rinky dink community project? people want a cool real game with a hundred million dollar advertising budget
>>714993246
you’renthe shill retard, you’re literally shilling for GaaS rather than just keeping things as they are, or advocating for the base game alone to be sold as a good

>>714993523
He's been btfo'd time and again by having law cited at him, he just waits for another thread and starts it again, I've seen it over and over. It's a paid demoralization agent.

>>714993452
Peer to peer is insecure and if you use it Russians will hack into your computer and steal all of your personal data.

>>714993405
Then make the newer titles better and not shit lol

>>714993265
That's not a customer's problem.

>>714993654
Easy with the anti-semitism okay?

>>714993420
arms twisted? they literally want GaaS even more than brainless nigger cattle like yourself, stay delusional you fucking insect goyim abomination

>>714993268
>...tell me why you want this again?
Because eventually the servers will be shut down and I don't want to lose my shit? At EOL the game might even be modded so that I can unlock shit as I *GASP* PROGRESS through the game!

>...because most normies are paying for subscriptions and battle passes voluntarily anyway
Just because the people are retarded, does not mean they are right.
Subscriptions and retard passes are not models that envision the consumers best interests.

>>714993542
Retarded argument. Bethesda would have earned much more if they licensed and sold the mods themselves. In fact, they started hiring the modders for that reason alone, YEARS ago.
Same reason why blizzard forbids community mods on the new remastered Warcraft III. They lost tons of money when valve stole DOTA from them.

>>714993565
>who wants some gay rinky dink community project?

As he came into the window
It was the sound of a crescendo
He came into xer apartment
He left the moldstains on the carpet
Xe ran underneath the table
He could see xe was unable
So xe ran into the bedroom
Xe was struck down, it was xer doom

Jannie, are you OK?
So, Jannie, are you OK?
Are you OK, Jannie?
Jannie, are you OK?
So, Jannie, are you OK?

>>714993565
The games are already goods and their functionality is protected by law. If the game's functionality is dependent on connectivity to an online service and it comes as a part of the game, instead of being a separate subscription that you have to fill out and pay, then the supplier of those goods is obligated by law to develop an end of life service plan to ensure that the one purchasing that good can continue to use and maintain it. This is not negotiable.

>>714963549 (OP)
Yup, that's it

>>714993523
GaaS has a solid EULA, does that make it good for us golem?

>the corposhill is a furfag
now where have i seen this before

>>714992246
>if you think they'd actually want to do that rather than just sell GaaS you're retarded
Yeah that's why we are getting government involved, to force them

>>714963549 (OP)
>>714969035
>>714970650
>>714970885
>>714970962
>>714971164
>>714976023
>>714976132
>>714976347
>>714978827

>>714963549 (OP)
Is this really the best argument you corporate bootlickers can come up with?

>>714965274
>Yeah, but they have to be exact.
No they don't.

>>714993885
>my games matter more than your sexual freedom.
Kill yourself christcuck

>>714993830
I'd love it if the industry self regulated like they did when the ESRB was formed but considering they heard the criticism of a million Euros and their response was a middle finger, yes we need government to regulate them instead.
If they won't do it themselves, they need it enforced upon them.

A
FUCKING
FERRET

>>714993828
>non negotiable
except it is you lying faggot, they can just sell you GaaS, then you will own nothing and be happy
GOLEM GET YE GONE

>>714992246
>so companies could avoid being regulated by selling their products as GaaS
errr for as long as they don't shut off servers, sure

>>714993981
No one was sayin that lil bro

>>714993804
>They lost tons of money when valve stole DOTA from them.
>Blizzard lost tons of money when valve stole DOTA from Icefrog
HUH?!

>>714993879
Is that GaaS specifically states when access to the game ends (via a monthly subscription for example), that's fine. I as a customer though won't invest any of my time or money to that particular "service" though.

>>714993773
how many battle passes is the average person on at once? how many streaming services? give me a total number and justify why you think this would safely increase and maintain the status quo.

>>714994026
you wouldn't a ferret

>>714992741
Funnily enough, Timmy delisted all of the Unreal games for literally no reason. Probably because games made in the 90s/00s don't make Fortnite money. Imagine if those were all live service games that no one had the full files for. It'll all just be gone now.

>>714993879
>solid EULA
There wouldn't be a need for one then, since it would all then default to state laws instead. I don't have to sign a fucking end user license agreement when I buy something from a local store. Know why? Because a local store isn't trying to fucking legalize scamming me.

>>714993956
This but SKG shills

>>714994073
...you're aware DOTA started with Warcraft III, right?

>>714994053
>every game turns into a service, this will totally happen! I swear!
Keep crying, bitch nigga

>>714994056
wrong, they can just refuse to keep selling indefinitely, once everyones sub ran out they are free to delet the game forever, but at least that’s le fair right?

>>714993971
>>714993523

>>714993971
Yes they do. Selling something that works until some random day in the future, who knows I'll decide later, isn't legal for any other industry.

>>714994136
>I am fine with an industry wide shift towards GaaS
GOLEM GET YE GONE

>>714994176
No, it will be uou, you piece of shit shill.

>>714994162
>you can buy GaaS from a store goyim! protected by state law in europe!
the shills arent even trying

>>714994234
Where in lies the theft you moron? Icefrog made DotA, not Blizzard. Blame Blizzard for not approaching him and asking him to make a standalone game.

>>714994234
I'm aware that Blizzard didn't create it.

>>714994253
GOLEM GET YE GONE

>>714994415
>you can't buy videogames in a store
What sort of an African savannah are you from?

>>714970962
>“we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If an indie dev can afford a central server infrastructure, something that IS NOT cheap in any way, shape or form, then said indie dev can afford making infrastructure for peer-to-peer multiplayer, which is much cheaper to make and costs nothing to maintain
So yeah this is a badly made attempt from some AAA studio to try to discredit SKG

>>714993804
Wonder how many new community-created ideas and opportunity Blizzard lost by trying to completely control its community? Classic Wow became a thing thanks to community-driven private servers for example.

>>714994484
>being this retarded

New strategy dropped, gentlemen. A law that will put a check on GAAS and stop the scummy practices will INCENTIVIZE the production of these games.

>>714994427
Thank you for proving my point. Trivial community access to modding and unlawful game modification leads to theft.

>>714992630
>I can easily see a "compromise" being that there has to be a disclaimer (somewhere in tiny print baked into the middle of the 1,000 page eula) stating that the company reserves the right to close down the servers at any time without warning
That's already the case right now and likely not legal because services need to have clearly defined scope. They'd have to print a specific date. They could just print "will last at least until tomorrow" which would be pretty silly, but I assume there'd be some reasonable minimum set, say 2 years because that's the warranty period for physical goods. If I buy X and X stops working before 2 years for whatever reason I should be able to complain and get it repaired/restored or some sort of compensation.
That would be like the possibly least satisfying outcome but technically complying with narrowest interpretation of customer protection laws.

>>714994570
You still haven't answered my question, which African cave are you from, shitskin?

>>714994476
>>714994546
Thank you for proving my point. Trivial community access to modding and unlawful game modification leads to theft.

>>714994337
Good luck for making this economically viable. There's a reason almost all companies don't go full-in on that road.

>>714994667
Theft of what exactly?

>>714994587
Do you know what the definition of theft is? Blizzard never owned DotA, they never made DotA. By definition it can't have been stolen.

>>714976023
Kill yourself

>>714994741
my heart

>>714994667
>You proved me wrong, therefore I am the victor!

>>714994741
the precious thing

>>714994260
You can't own a service
>>714994330
It's legal and normal for all services

>>714994754
>steal game engine to sell another game
>not theft
Lol?

>>714994741
Profit potential this fiscal quarter, anon, don't you care about some faceless investors who barely know what the company they invested in does?

>>714994576
It's always how kikes operate
Oy vey it's actually Israel that's being controlled by the USA. We're just poor victims made to ethnically cleanse a population

>>714994415
That gives me a good idea, anon. The corps aren't retarded enough to immediately stop making discs and carts this generation, so what if consoles all got a rushed new generation to get rid of physical buying for good and accelerated not only the demise of every game company wanting to be the new Tubi, but the end of these shitboxes with 30FPS plaguing game playability for decades?

It sounds so beautiful. Thanks for the idea, even if that'll never happen either.

>>714970521
Uhh if this is anything like Gamergate then I can't support it. Gamergate hated women. Law and Order even did an episode about it.

>>714994615
>missing the point
People will use them if they want to and the people playing on it now prove that. Having the option is a good thing.

>>714994380
No it will be you, shill.

>but then the companies will have to give up some of the profits!
YES. That's the entire point of consumer laws.
To stop them from profitmaxxing at YOUR expense.

Fucking unbelievable that you people need this explained.

>>714994858
>>>/pol/

>>714970521
it's so gay how many streamers have long greasy hair now thanks to one faggot. i know these fucks grow it out on purpose now

>>714994667
No? If anything it leads to a more competitive market that offers more choices to the consumer.
But companies don't like competition, they prefer patents and monopoly.

>>714994918
>Gamergate hated women
women hate women more
why do think divorce rate for lesbians is so high?

>>714994847
DotA wasn’t sold though. You had to own WCIII to play it.
DotA 2 does not use the WCIII engine.

>>714994985
The Crew wasn't "profitmaxxing"

>>714994847
Woah. Blizzard owns the source engine?

>>714970521
Can you stop screencapping that schizo boomer. That guy just rambles word salad.

>>714994985
>just don't be credited for the innovation that you provide to the world
?

>>714994847
Considering this went to court, we have literal precedent agreeing that it is in fact:
not theft

>>714994847
Dota 2 runs on War3's engine?

>>714994918
>Law and Order even did an episode about it.
>executive producer dick wolf
that was the cherry on top

>>714994985
>SKGtranny goes full mask off and admits his plan to deprive industrious american businesses of their hard-earned money
I hate you statist commies so much. The industry is going to die and it's all your fault.

>>714994953
No, it will be uou, you piece of shit shill.

>>714995126
Will Speed Weed be in charge of the SKG episode then?

>>714995038
>>714995052
>>714995117
>4chan has 0 reading abilities
Where did I say ”DOTA II"?

>>714995161
If the industry can't exist without exploiting it's customers, than it doesn't deserve to exist. Figure out a better business model.

>>714995083
>get paid for a product you've sold
>I was not credited enough, I need to take your product back with no refund
?

Damn, the anti-skg shills had better arguments that could lead to interesting debates in the past.
Today's "arguments" are rather... embarrassing.

>>714970521
>literally who faglord has an opinion
Can't say I'm worried, why do you post this retard's failed attempt at drama whoring in every SKG thread?

>>714995161
that's all these eu regulations ever are. it's petty attempts to feel like a big strong power when they innovate and create nothing. pathetic. american and asian companies should just range ban the whole region.

>>714995297
Nice exaggeration, but yes. You agreed to this in the EULA.

>>714995315
Bro I have no fucking idea how do shill this, I'm flailing.
Fucking help me out goddamnit.

>>714995284
I clearly differentiated between the two in my post.

>>714995284
You shit for brains. Where else was DotA 1 being sold? You realize it only became a standalone game with Valve hiring Icefrog to make DotA 2?

>>714995396
No written signature, no agreement. A popup window is not a contract.

>>714984790
>You guys can't innovate anymore
Say, what innovations come out of the US?
I mean except in the field of "making rich people richer and ripping off normal people"?

>>714995396
Lmao EULA can suck my big European cock.

>>714995380
Well anon, EU has already broken lootboxes, because Corporations aren't gonna risk losing on European market for the sake of whatever they were doing to milk some extra pennies from the customer

>>714995450
>ignores the hundred thousand donations before DOTA II
Oh, we're playing this game?

>>714995396
Rending that EULA non-legally binding in countries with basic consumer protection laws.

>>714988421
>still seething
>still nobody caring
It's always sad seeing obvious newfag teenagers trying too hard to fit in

>>714994998
Seethe kike

>>714995380
Okay but you can charge your Apple device with a USB-C cable thanks to EU regulations?

>>714995380
the average American doesn't see any of that money or in way benefit from it.

>

>state forbidding something similar so corpo makes more money is good
>state forbidding you from ripping off the customers is gommunism, state overreach, bootlickers stifling inovation

>>714989865
Yeah, like the retard you are replying to trying to conflate game and IP.

>>714995681
>I don't benefit from having the richest companies in the world and the heart of all tech innovation in my own country

lol ok faggot

>>714995568
What are you even trying to argue here? That donations made towards Icefrog and his team was actually Blizzards rightful money despite Blizzard not lifting a finger when it came to maintaining the custom map?
Need I say it again? Blizzard neither made nor owned DotA. What Icefrog did with his mod is his own business.

>>714995843
How do you benefit from an oligarch buying his third yacht?

>>714992427
Everyone trying to sign close to million can tell you about it you dumb asshole

>>714995843
No you literally don't faggot
You're one hospital bill away from selling your house, now shut the fuck up and sit down

>>714995948
Go cry about india on /pol/ and smoke some more paki muslim cock.

>>714995948
me and my sister both have jobs with major tech companies in california

>>714995948
I make yachts for a living.

>>714996041
bold of you to assume that the average clapistani can afford his own house

>>714995315
Probably literal underage jumping in to le troll now.

>>714996000
>hearsay
>proof

>>714995380
>Map-Big-tech-market-capit(...).jpgMap-Big-tech-market-capitalisation[1].jpg
Thank you corporate-san for posting from your damage control media packet.

>>714995045
No? How so?

>BUT MUH EULA STATES I CAN SWINDLE YOU!
It's always hilarious when all these US companies bitch loudly while crawling to the EU and comply with its present and future Laws.

>>714995843
we don't anon . most people now are just struggling to buy groceries and pay rent. this entire generation likely won't ever own homes, big tech being here has not translated to any tangible benefit to the average person .

>>714996167
I WAS FUCKING THER-you know what, this isn't worth it. Kill yourself right now.

>>714996000
>voting just because they told me it was close to a million
Ok sheep.

>>714995045
Please buy the new game.

>>714963549 (OP)
So if nothing's going to happen, why are you so scared?

>>714970521
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1751856622495798.png/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/gamergateskg.png/
Why are YOU?

>>714970962
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1751716837267094.png/
Reminder that these posts are not organic. Reminder that if the situation were pointless, their propaganda wouldn't be necessary.

>>714989682
According to Masters of Doom, Carmack was basically a sociopath who never kept any trinkets/memorabilia from the past. What happened to him that would change that fact?

>>714986926
Being able to choose what you spend your own money on is the antithesis of communism.

>>714997685
If you have a good memory, you don't take much from the past to keep around. Trinkets are good to remind you, some people can't forget much of anything.