Thread 715025648

The Field of Hopes and Dreams

Does Ralsei poop

>>715025908
no

Hope DIED when Chapter 4 dropped

>>715025908
yeah

>>715025908
i don't know

>>715025908
maybe

>when the light is running low
>and the shadows start to grow
>and the places that you know
>look like fantasy
Oh no.
>there's a light inside your SOUL
>that's still shining in the cold
>with the truth
>the promise in our hearts
Oh no!
>don't forget
>i'm with you in the dark
OH NO!

why did they race change ralsei?

Okay but what are people not talking about ENOUGH? What's that one weird thing only (You) seem to care about?

>>715026309
why are the flowers in the trash watered and blooming?

>>715025908
Can you repeat the question?

>>715026309
If Dragon Blazers is based on Lord of the Hammer, and Lord of the Hammer is based on the prophecy, did Lancer saying toothpaste boy make it into Dragon Blazers?

>>715025648 (OP)
Finally defeated the stupid roaring night

>>715025648 (OP)
back when deltarune had soul

>>715025648 (OP)
Post your BEST Kris's!

So that thing at the end of chapter one where Kris eye sparks in red
That was all red herring bullshit?

>>715025648 (OP)
I finally played OFF a decade after hearing about it. I see where the DNA comes from in UT and DR. It was a pretty good experience.
Genuine spoiler: I liked how The Batter's shape is entirely dependent on your perception of him based on your choice

>>715025648 (OP)
listening with
https://soundcloud.com/dr-fansong-thing/divine-rendezvous

>The Field of Pink and Gold
genuinely my first thought was Homestuck's Derse and Prospit

>>715026795
that was them fucking with you, yes

>>715027089
He was looking at the camera with that grin
Is the soul different from the human player behind the screen, are we actually three niggas?

>>715027027
derse is ourple though

>>715025648 (OP)
SAY "I LOVE TV"
SAY IT

RIGHT NOW

>>715027161
COMING
(COMING)
COMING
STRAIGHT FROM (YOUR) HOUSE!

>>715027167
No, Kris just knows where (You) are actually looking from. When Kris has the soul in hand, they look back at the screen/camera.

>>715026309
Why are the dark spawn literally fetuses? What will the consequences of slay versus purify ACTUALLY be? It has to be something right? Why dedicate space on Kris's info to it otherwise?

>>715026309
kris fitting into the description of the second hero more than susie and arguably noelle
swords, ribbons, heart shaped object
kris has all of those things
the biggest issue with it is the cage, but like with the rest of the prophecy i think everything is in a constant flow, only the exact words need to be fulfilled, everything else is speculatory

for me it's the cute sblurf

>>715026309
Asgore's flower shop Dark World is going to be a giant castle in the vein of Beauty and the Beast.
>Rudy mentions Beauty and the Beast by name
>Asgore keeps his flowers in glass
>Sans says it's "Like that movie," Asgore says "Yes, it's... very similar to that movie."
>Lots of rose iconography in Chapter 4 (Asgore giving the bouquet to Toriel, Susie eating the rose in front of Noelle, the wilting rose animation in pre-patch Weird Route)
>Asgore has a crown in his prophecy implying he will be royalty in his Dark World (the Beast was a prince)

>>715026795
kris puts on a show for (you)
this was speculated for a while now but ch4 confirms it when kris is doing shit in noelles house without (you) and moving normally
there's a good chance he can live just fine without (you) possessing him, but keeps (you) around for whatever plan he's a part of

>>715027161
This lil nigga would have me stalled permanently if he wanted to I fucking love game shows
>>715027328
I LOVE TV!

>>715026795
>where Kris eye sparks in red
Kris just has red eyes
That's just normal for him

>>715027469
No, it's going to be an Atrium on the second floor
This was foreshadowed by the Bibliox along with other things

The inferno of jealousy is Kris too, because of Susie and Noelle

>>715027550
The obvious benefit is using the Soul's light to banish darkness, but he also probably is legit soulless and starts getting like Flowey if he doesn't have it in him

>Muh Fathers, Muh mothers,
>Toby starts having hand pains and dictates commands
>Muh hands, muh ACT

Is this game just Toby traumadumping on us

>>715026309
Why in chapter 3 are darkners aside from the ones from previous chapters like Lancer turning to stone? And why in weird orders too?

>>715027286
I remember people leaning on it being pinkish

>>715026309
How did Asgore defeat the Knight?

>>715026309
The phrasing in the patch notes about the Kris doppelganger seems so odd. Is there an intended appearance?

>>715027778
i think it could also be that (you) are stronger that kris' soul and just overpower him
noelle only noticed kris acting weird in ch1, and while they had been growing apart she instantly thought something was off after talking with her

>>715027328
I LOVE TV!

>>715027768
do we have any actual hints of who the inferno of jealousy involves

>>715026309
The music title drop that happens in Ch1 but doesn't happen in further chapters is not a thing that names the music track playing. It is describing what any darkworld is at its core. All darkworlds are fields of hopes and dreams, something folks can see on their sleep when its dark. The thing that is not discussed enough in regards to the prophecy is that the only apocalyptic scenario is when the dark world goes off balance and causes the roaring, which engulfs the light world in darker than dark darkness. But nothing major or planet destroying happens if all darkworlds are engulfed into darkness, it merely becomes night-time when the sun sets and even in night time, photon readings are never in the negatives (again, darker than dark). This means the prophecy is not Susie being sacrificed, it's Susie sacrificing the fields of hopes and dreams, she will destroy Castle Town and everyone with it.

And even if you can try to be hopepilled about it, this isn't just a case of "Oh but the darkners would still live, they are real objects in the real world and can be moved elsewhere into a castle town two!" because the elephant in the room here is that Castle Town, with all recruits on, IS NOTHING BUT A GOD DAMN HOARDER'S ROOM. Escapism through possession, it all circles back to Jevil, where someone thinks they're in absolute freedom confined in a tight space full of trinkets and toys to play with, Flower King in the asylum will be Asgore being the black omen of what happens when you let the dark world's desires of escapism pollute your mind (hence why the fat fuck has a suspicious fridge door blocked by flowers, well trimmed flowers)

Needless to say, the reveal of what Ralsei is in real life is going to be the most dreadful moment in all of Deltarune, and the worst part is that if you think about it, all scizobosses are stages of grief if you think about it deeply. Ralsei is denial

>>715028086
No, but I'm sticking with Kris since everyone thinks it's going to be Asgore or Noelle

>>715025908
you're not the boss of me now

Some time before 3+4 I theorized that the game's underlying theme is teenage sexual frustration, does that hold true?

>>715026309
I'm still thinking about how Noelle somehow managed to create a tangible abomination just by glitching a video game up, like this is some kind of Digimon logic

>>715028094
To follow up on Ralsei's reveal being dreadful is when putting Snowgrave into the mathematic equation. Think about it, Ral is very fucking much aware of what we are doing and how we're doing it, yet he is thoroughly powerless to stop us (And by the time he stops being a floormat and try to stop us, he'll get turned into one after we flatten him with high ass Level Of Violence Experienced through Noelle) and him trying to halt Susie from finding out the full prophecy is nothing more than an ill omen that Ralsei's real life counterpart is going to be the breaking point and what kickstarts either the roaring, the sacrifice to save the world, both, or worse Start the human-monster wars again

I don't know about you, but i want to get off Mr. Fox's wild ride.

>>715028285
Noelle underselling her past with Kris as just "oh it was just forced friendship" in a way to get to Susie's panties (or boxers in my headcanon) is just the sexual frustration affecting her deer brain. That bitch can't think straight any time Susie is around. Kris likely so too but not for Noelle or Susie, that boy is pretty damn determined to still uphold that promise with the knight.

>>715028516
>Chapter 5 will be an even wilder ride with an even bigger cliffhanger
>[WAIT] will be even longer than the one now
It doesn't have to meet my theories, I know it will be fucking crazy regardless

>>715028661
>an even bigger cliffhanger
Worse, i have a bad omen that chapter 5 will be a prologue, an end to the Deltarune history. But History abhords a paradox

>>715027918
what weg is this

>>715028750
an epilogue*

>>715027550
It's pretty heavily implied running around without the soul takes a lot out of kris. He's forced to eat a ridiculous amount of sugar/food. And yes, we don't feed him a ton but it's confirmed food in the dark world doesn't affect you and Susie never leaves the dark world starving. He's also fed tons of pancakes, and has a big diner meal. So over the course of 4 days he eats an entire massive pie, and entire bottle of chocolate syrup with milk, pancakes, and a full diner meal. Only an american would imagine someone starving after that much food over 4 days lol

>>715026309
Who the FUCK is ERAM?
WHAT is the "original game"? Is the console/controller talking to us? (Become stronger. Became stronger. Aren't you forgetting something?)
What is the significance of the vines and manhole?
Why does he have a Undyne the Undying motif in his theme?

>>715028750
Toby is a huge fan of Final Fantasy and FF6 in particular, I can see The Roaring triggering
Remember that the heroes are called at world's end, just like The World of Ruin in FF6

Gerson said there's one more chapter after Ch. 5, then it all ends

>>715028516
i read an idea a while ago that the festival will involve burning some human effigy
kris won't care because that's how it's always been, but susie will start sperging out about how fucked up that is and how kris can just accept them doing this
we really have no idea what the festival entails outside of possibly having a christmas theme and a ferris wheel

>>715028939
i think susie is starving post dark worlds, she just doesn't complain about it
and i think kris is burning more calories than he's taking in, he's been spending the last three days running around in dark worlds and hasn't gotten a half decent sleep either the night before ch1 or at school in ch2

>>715026309
>Okay but what are people not talking about ENOUGH? What's that one weird thing only (You) seem to care about?

why is kris playing songs from the fucking future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V6WmHDPD9k

you can say "oh, he was a piano player at the church so he could know it", but theres one called "the last prophecy", "shop", and "seven four" (nanashi)

>Goner bird reapears in Deltarune as Normal NPC
>Chapter 1: Tells you to check the book upstairs, repeating his dialog removes the upstairs mention
>Chapter 2: Second floor accessible, Normal NPC moves slightly to the left in each visit to let you read a book
>Chapter 4: "I love reading. Especially... wait. Wait. The books upstairs. The books upstairs. Wait. The books are...... Wait. Wait, love."
>Can be found interrupting the spot to meet Onion on the lake
Book upstairs = Next Chapter = Literal next page from Gerson's inspired book.
"Wait, Love" = Weird, Love = Foreshadow. Level Of ViolencE in Chapter 5.
Wait, don't = W, D = WINDING GASTER.
Normal NPC is a monster brainwashed by Gaster for giving hints to the Player. The Weird Route is the path to break the prophecy, leading to L.O.V.E. Onion is a character that wants to find out the song from the sea, leading to Gaster. Suddenly Normal NPC stops your path to meet Onion. What a coincidence.

>>715029136
Yeah I agree. I'm not saying Kris isn't using energy, i'm saying him eating all that food is proof he's using a ton of calories to exist without the soul. A lot of americans like to imply kris is just eating for fun OR that he's starving from the dark world and/or is just eating a normal amount of food and that the soul being out of his body is not what's draining him.

Stages of grief = Schizoboss and Ralsei will be an inevitable schizoboss seeking freedom from the prophecy could have some merit but Gerson sadly messes the pattern up
>Acceptance: Ramb
Dude already conceeded that nobody's gonna miss him so he just accepts his fate to get [EXPUNGED] by [REDACTED], he won't seek freedom
>Bargaining: Spamton
Dude was making the sickest deals just to grasp the power of Neo and ascend to heaven, liberate himself from his puppet strings, but all that did was make him crash down, there are no deals to unbound yourself from fate
>Denial: Ralsei
Dude is in constant pain, he is hiding shit he is aware of what will happen and the pointlessness of seeking freedom, but he is in deep denial and will try to stall things out (emphasis on try because that dude certainly had a slipup that let Susie see the tale's climax). You could lump Jevil here as he deluded himself into thinking that he's free within his cage, but he's too damn crazy that there's no difference between him accepting his fate that freedom's a sham or denying caring about his real lack of freedom.
>Anger: Roaring Knight
I'd be pissed off beyond belief to have my freedom denied and become a wraith for hire and if causing harm would bring freedom, i'd go for it. Dess is no cushion, she has her mother's sheer coldness balanced out by Rudy's warm kindness and mix that shit with some fury for freedom is getting her ass back.

>>715026309
>Okay but what are people not talking about ENOUGH? What's that one weird thing only (You) seem to care about?
Did Kris poop and pee when he took us out of his chest in Chapter 4? And how did he hold it all in from the start of Chapter 2 all the way to that scene?

>>715028980
Eram isn't the shadow mantle itself
>could be FRIEND
>could be KNIGHT/Dess
>could be Seam fucking with you(on Asriel's desktop afterwards)

The "Original Game" is MANTLE
Tenna modified it to be "The Legend of Tenna"

The vines and manhole are very interesting, this is the 3rd iteration of the manhole we've seen in MANTLE
We don't know what vines represent yet, but Bit Roots is Flowey's intro theme in Your Best Nightmare
ROOTS is also a prophecy panel, and of course Asgore is associated with plants and roots and flowers

The manhole could be trauma Kris has from when Dess was around, that's my only guess
The vines could be from the shelter interior

>yellow soul - Spamton using Mettaton NEO's body
>green soul - Gerson, Undyne's hero
>blue soul -

Trust in the plan, bonebros. Toby's just rousing up the crowd.

>>715029473
>We don't know what vines represent yet
The flowers in the trashcan maybe? Doesn't interacting with the trash can say the flowers are watered and blooming? That probably implies something is feeding them and they might spread.

>>715029473
the pipes anon
how would kris find out where it lead to?
he would have to open a manhole and go inside

>>715026309
the ocean waves

>>715029589
>THEY'RE IN THE PIPES
>THEY'RE COMING FROM THE PIPES
What did he see down there with Dess? Maybe the bath bomb in the toilet wasn't a prank

>>715029830
>every single prophecy is in water in chapter 4
>"the song from the sea"
>intro with vessel is in shadowy water
>fountains have a water effect
>snowgrave associated with freezing said water

>>715029194
Seconding this one
Kris must know a lot more than we thought he does
This is the first time he's living through Deltarune but not the first time he's heard about it

>>715029194
>>715030054
This just reinforces loop theory for me, you save over Kris

>>715026309
>What's that one weird thing only (You) seem to care about?
I think it's weird that there are several unused items that were still given equip dialogue anyway

>>715026309
I don't know how Toby is going to tie up all of the loose ends by the end of the game, is he making another? Will we wait 12 more years to get blue balled by more obscure Gaster hints

>>715026309
The Black Shard has Titan-slaying properties, which likely means that the Knight's Black Knife is a sword intended to be used to fight Titans. Where did such a sword come from, and why does the Knight has it? With the Knight likely being connected to Dess, the sword poster in Dess' room, Carol's ancient katanas and katana skills, and Asgore talking about another Black Shard in Carol's room, I think that it is likely that the Black Knife is something Carol gave to Dess before whatever happened to her, and Carol probably trained Dess in swordfighting as well.
Then there is the question of why both Carol and Dess collect human-soul-shaped objects (Dess had them in her closet), with Carol implying that she knows of the player soul's existence. Human souls are the only thing currently known that can seal Dark Fountains and as seen in Chapter 4, are also excellent weapons against Titans and can seal them.

So, if we add these up, could the Holiday bloodline be a secret lineage of Titan-slayers using the Black Knife and human souls to fight and seal Titans?

>>715030262
Loop theory sounds silly to me on its surface. I don't think Kris or any other character acts as though they've lived this story before

>>715026309
Kris resisting your inputs when you approach the shelter in the third game.

>>715029830
specifically
>the first thing you hear when going into a dark world is the waves
>also play when maxed out in the backstage game

>>715030374
Who said they'd remember? Maybe Ralsei considering he knows so much
He mentions thinking being nice would change things by the time they get to Ch. 4

Better question is how did Gaster insert himself into the observer position and pluck us to change the future?

>>715029220
that nigga ain't brainwashed, he's in on it
he's a monochrome copy that's been colored in with care

>>715027897
This is explained, a lot of the items were stolen from other places, including but not limited to Noelle's house, Catti's house, and the Library. Since the world was created by Kris, he subconsciously knows which items "don't belong." Dunno why the weird orders, but my assumption is it's based on how long ago they were stolen.

>>715030304
Do any of the "Fluffy" "Spooky" "Smiley" buffs do anything or is it just cutesy flavor text?
Side note: Noelle recognizes unused items

I'm very interested in how each save slot has the description change to relate to another character
>slot 1 is Kris
>slot 2 is Noelle
>slot 3 is Susie

>>715026309
NO ONE EVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT TENNA'S SPECIAL TEXT GRAPHICS
IT PLAYS THEIR FUCKING THEMES FROM UNDERTALE WHEN HE SAYS TORIEL AND ASRIEL'S NAMES
THERE'S NO WAY IT'S JUST A JOKE, WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MEAN???

>>715029220
>Tony Fox-Onion is the key to all of this
>If we get Onion working
>Cause hes a funnier character then we had in the previous chapters

Ceroba Ketsukane?
More like Zero birthrate for Ketsukane
More like Zero babies plan Ketsukane
More like Zero residents in the Ketsukane manor
More like Zero heritance takers for Ketsukane's assets
More like Zero basic mother skills Ketsukane

>>715026309
Susie giving Lancer piggyback rides around Castletown. That was very cute.

>>715030691
kek

>>715027361
my question is why the fuck were the titan fetuses there BEFORE the knight made the second fountain?

>>715030413
They're not even using the controller until after you get there, they put the SOUL into the game.
They don't move or use the controller because the SOUL is moving the character in game, and when you get to the bunker section they start influencing you the same way you do them all the time.

Noelle should be banned from the computers.

>>715030915
Noelle definitely lurked TULPA threads on /x/.

>>715026309
>>715028452
>>715030627
I am SO curious as to why things get so fucking weird when Noelle's around, I'm really wondering why she, specifically, seems to have this affinity for bending the logic of the game/world itself

>>715026309
How is Burgerpants the key to all of this?

what other quirky JRPG Maker game about depression thats inspired by earthbound should I play next too fill the Deltarune hole in my Deltarune Heart
(or any rpgmaker game thats good)

>>715031034
Going back to water theming, her mother canceled school to keep her out of the rain

>>715025648 (OP)
Artificial thread with artificial discussion

>>715030915
>does the evil route on purpose
>beheads her cats
>punishes them to make them not fall in love
>enjoys freezing enemies and getting stronger
>enjoys being scared and controlled

artificial nigger>>715031163

>>715029958
ice-e, of the shadow blobs are anything to go by
maybe that crack theory of dess getting frozen and her face looking like ice-e isn't too far fetched

>Toby makes a joke about annoying dog coding an entire game by barking into text-to-speech
>Toby ends up having to use text-to-speech for coding because of fucked up wrists

>>715031067
Pocket Mirror

>>715031034
If there is one thing that isn't mentioned enough, it's how Kris' classroom is basically the special education classroom (the shortbus if you will) and Noelle stands out like a fucking sore thumb
>Susie is likely there because she's a damn rough outcast bully
>Kris is an honest to god traumatized teenager
>Monster Kid got no arms and needs someone to help him
>Temmie
>Berdly is a damn sperg who'd be the type of kid to randomly decide to fortnite dance or do cringe shit (i.e. Sheen talking about Ultra Lord for the 29th time in the class)
But then you have Noelle, a very smart girl who has a lot of talents, is a very composed and kind girl (quite literally the ONLY one who does not get bullied by Susie because Noelle was nice to her once), does not have any kind of physical drawback like Monster Kid's lack of arms to impede her education and it's only on private when she does some top cringe shit (reading up her shitposts actually made me vomit, god she is so fucking cringe). So why in the fuck would she be in a classroom full of concussed kids?

>>715027328
I LOVE TV!

these threads are fucking shit now and /vg/ tier. fuck you and see you in a year

>>715030262
>>715030374
>>715030505
the only way i can see loop theory working is if susie somehow triggers it and it resets to the morning of ch1 with nobody having any memory of it happening
ralsei might remember key events relating to the prophecy but nothing more, which is why he knows but doesn't understand why

>>715031163
Actually we're very organic :)

>>715029958
>>715029589
>they're coming from the pipes
>Holiday family only drinks bottled water
>this was an important plot point since pre-Undertale days
THE PLOT THICKENS

>>715031227
>ice-e
>>>/vg/

>>715031265
Don't you mean speech to text?

>>715030671
asriel was making undertale on his computer before leaving for college
kris was making music for it but the game was never finished

>>715031370
I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU FUK FUCK FUCK

Are you guys with Kris, or against Kris?

>>715031067
>(or any rpgmaker game thats good)
I saved this one right here

>>715031163
Well that's good then, our staff loves everything artificial - artificial intelligence, artificial insemination...

>>715031461
>the entire right side
truly, the worst timeline

>>715031479
I wanna fuck Kris in the ass while I stroke his cock

>>715031479
I'm against him in normal route. I'm with him in Snowgrave.

>>715031067
Barkley is must play. It's canon.

>>715031067
OFF

>>715031368
Well...
The unused goner maker cutscene...

>>715031495
>artificial insemination...
Ah yes, time to put the knight in bondage and add a little droplet of determination straight into her womb. Like that one video of a queen bee being artificially inseminated to make more eggs Noelle would definitely make the inseminating tool probe the knight's pussy over and over just to see it squirm

>>715031479
i want to help the little dude but i totally get why he hates me
i'll make sure he gets the dino though, and make him think it was his idea

>>715031479
Depends on what the little shitter is trying to pull in the situation

>>715031368
>>715031596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXeftLB9UTo

I'm not sure what I find more endearing - our main antagonist being such a weeb, or Kris already having an insane chemistry with her.

>>715026309
People are still thinking of Deltarune in terms of Mercy/No Mercy routes like in Undertale despite the fact that Ralsei outright admitted he just made that up as wishful thinking to try and change the prophecy's outcome

>>715026309
The Bibliox in Nowhere is pretty obviously supposed to be Toriel's hymn book that's kept in the table by the front door. It's mentioned by the nearby Shuttah to be a wise sage who knew the secrets for travelling through the purple cliffs between dark worlds, which at face value you can assume to mean it was brought from the church to the home. It's also completely missing in the entirety of chapter 4 regardless of whether you got chapter 3's egg. It would make sense for Toriel to take it to church and maybe leave it behind for choir practice, but it's gone from the moment you wake up for breakfast. So if it can go between the worlds, where did it actually go?

>>715029543
What of the purple soul?

>>715031548
this but femkris and pinching her nipples instead

>>715030891
I guess the absolute darkness you wander around in is enough to meet titan forming conditions but without the extra oomph of too much dark fountain juice all that can coalesce from that fear of the dark are comparatively little titan giblets.

>>715031067
Barkley Gaiden
Lisa
Monster Girl Quest

>>715031548
>>715031728
>why are threads being deleted?
>>>/vg/

>>715026309
i genuinely don't see people outside of these threads ever talk about what the fuck those kids saw while lost in the forest and why it affected kris so much.

>>715031703
Gone, just like the scammer spider

>>715031773
Gone, but not forgotten.

>>715031671
>get him a happy ending
>"THANKS FOR THE HAPPY ENDING, IDIOT!"
>slams the Thanks for Playing! screen in your face on the way out

>>715026309
>Kris knows how to handle the soul prior to the events of the game
>multiple characters can tell the difference between Kris and the soul, as opposed to Frisk where everyone assumed they were one and the same because no one had ever met Frisk before
my schizo theory is that the soul is merely a conduit of control and is not literally (You) nor Kris. humans all have souls, and Kris has existed before (You)r involvement, so was something else controlling Kris via the soul before the events of the game? it would explain their preparation and greater understanding of the soul's mechanics, as well as noelles story about the piano.

>>715027161
Is this guy ever gloopy?

>>715031479
>(You) were used up.
We'll see if he can redeem himself.

>>715026309
Why does Dess have a mountain of human shoes?

>>715031771
You'd be surprised how many people just know nothing about the game's backstory even at the shallowest level
I've had to explain who Dess is for fuck's sake

>>715026309
Gaster's connection to the out-of-use classroom.
>egg man first appears in chapter 1 (duh) behind a red tree
>when he appears in chapter 2, it's still behind the tree from the classroom darkworld even though those aren't found in cyber world
>his 3 and 4 appearances still make reference to the tree in some way
>if you want to go off of Andrew Cunningham's music theory analysis, Scarlet Forest also has one of the strongest musical connections to Gaster's Theme, which isn't a pattern that follows for areas where future eggman encounters are, just the first with the tree in the classroom dark world

>deltarune versions of characters are usually a modern/realistic play on their medieval/fantasy roles in undertale, for example Undyne being the captain of the royal guard turns into her being chief of police
>Alphys being royal scientist turns into her being a teacher
>Gaster also used to be royal scientist in undertale, so it logically follows that in deltarune he used to be a _______

>>715031371
>The tap water is giving everyone brain damage

why is Noelle angry?

>>715031962
kris' concert just for her became a concert just for susie

>>715031842
That's all the reason needed to start a Weird run on file 2

>>715026309
The start of chapter 4 proves Kris has full control over the soul when we're not connected to it. This leaves open the possibility of that connection being forcibly severed and us having to connect with something or someone else in order to continue the game.

>>715031370
I can't believe Axis fits better in this game than these clowns

>>715031962
Kris said no, he will not rape her

>>715031962
I didn’t let her watch

>>715031946
>so it logically follows that in deltarune he used to be a _______
Principal?

>>715026309
oddity. i have no idea what kind of development hell that game is going through but i think it would be nice to talk about it, except there would have to be something to discuss because in the span of a decade all we have to go off of is a single trailer and some level up jingles.

>>715025648 (OP)
Still one of the best tracks imo, I wish they kept doing the little popup with the song name at the beginning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oDZ2vN9XF0&list=RD9oDZ2vN9XF0&start_radio=1

>>715031962
>Kris... cvck me... NOW!

>>715031962
Used my soulful will to make Kris grab a photo of Dess, duct tape it to a pillow and have some extremely passionate kissing (somehow said kissing was not my will completely) and Noelle caught us in the act.

>>715026378
Someone's taking care of them. Whether it's Kris or Toriel, someone cares about the only trace of Asgore left in the house.

>>715026309
I'm convinced that this place has some kind of ontological fuckery going on with it, like it's built on the Deltarune equivalent of an indian burial ground

>>715031962
Susie and Kris didn't let her watch

>>715032256
Is she angry because she didn't thought of that first?

why does Noelle look weird when you paint her baby silhouette?

>>715032286
I love shit like this

>>715032286
>hometown was built on a mass grave for humans

>>715032286
> A WORLD BASKED IN PUREST LIGHT.
> BENEATH IT, GREW ETERNAL NIGHT.
There's something underneath it alright

>>715032286
>blockade eventually gets removed or you get a boat to go out onto the lake
>theres nothing out there

>>715032382
Could be worse. Could be California

>>715032325
She is angry because we used the only photo of Dess that's as close of a good portrait picture and is now slathered with Kris' moss flavored hickeys. So if Noelle wants to do that, she will instead taste Kris's indirect kisses and not Dess's

>>715032382
>hometown is CoD nuketown

>>715032164
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

>>715032286
>The place with geysers of darkness bursting out of the ground and Satan's rape closet may have some shit going on
Damn you smart

>>715032382
We Custom Robo, yeaaaaah baby.

>>715032286
I think Titans and Darkness are tied to humanity ERM DARK SOOUUUULLLSSS?????
Kris is an oddity
>>715032439
>>hometown is CoD nuketown
Holy FUARK

>>715031698
ikr???

There is no pacifist vs genocide route, you can't even kill 99% of the enemies.
Hell even the weird routes freezing thing specifically in the computer world can be fixed by just rebooting the computer. You're freezing mostly programs, with the sole exception of Berdly and maybe that one addison.

>>715032286
I don't like the idea of Hometown being literally artificial/simulated, but I could totally buy the idea that it's fundamentally a sham, e.g. it's basically not an actual living space so much as it exists solely just to contain something eldritch

>>715031875
Not even once

>>715032227
Repeating the sentiment that this track will be viewed in a completely different light after starting the replay process.

>>715032447
makes sense. it always sucks to see a little bit of something come together, only to fizzle out without a word.

>>715031698
>>715032535
People thinking this is Undertale 2.0 us extremely harmful to discussion
The game is presenting a morally grey outlook so far whereas Undertale was blatantly good/evil

>>715032486
I wish I hadn't been too dumb to fully appreciate that twist when I was younger

>>715032537
>Pfft... I'm not afraid. Don't worry, Kris. I'll no hit any Cthulhu for you.

>>715026309
The reason why you can't select "G" as the third letter in the naming process in Chapter 3 isn't so you can't say FAG or NIG, it's so you can't say WDG.

>>715031461
What about my man Tenna?

>>715032537
>e.g. it's basically not an actual living space so much as it exists solely just to contain something eldritch
Call me crazy, but if Deltarune is a parallel story to Undertale, wouldn't that mean that hometown IS the barrier and the timeline in Deltarune practically hinges on Asriel surviving while Chara is either MIA or she got caught being the instigator of the war by both parties, which is why humans and monsters co-exist to a certain extent (or so i think, until Asriel talks about human babes in college, this is a bad theory)

>>715031698
I've seen youtubers/streamers fucking not attacking the Knight or the Titan because their brains are too Undertale rotted to conceive of self defense

>>715032382
>take boat out into lake
>hit a wall
Truman show theory

>>715030915
>Kriiiiiiiis!
>Woah! It's cold out here!
>...never fear, Noelle! I know how to fix your video game box!
>No, no, don't touch that!
>Your Nintendo box needs SOULs!
>Like these right here! Ah, this one, and this one, and everybody loves this one...
>This isn't supposed to be possible!
>MAKING OUT WITH [Tomboy Delinquents in Your Area] IS TOTALLY [Kromer]!

r8 my orange soul sprite bros

>>715032865
Butt hole face butt hole face

>>715026309
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/707398230/#q707479220
Months later I can finally answer this anon's question. Ralsei is literally a toy, that's why he accepts the rules of whatever game he's in so easily. That's why he insists on posing like a team in each chapter now.

>>715032865
What's wrong with his faaaaace

>>715032865
Lmao wtf happened? He had a lemon instead of an orange?

>>715032895
>That's why he insists on posing like a team in each chapter now.
But in chapter 4 Susie had to initiate the team pose

>>715032286
Do the people here even really understand what they’re actually worshipping in regards to their religion? Like really thinking about it it almost feels like they’re some kind of death cult by pure accident, making me wonder how it actually started

Is there a mod that removes all of Noelle's laughter? I hate it. What does she think she is, some kind of One Piece character?

>>715031034
Noelle has some repressed anger issues. She quite literally thugs it out being near Berdly's constant cringe sperglord shitstorms and contains the need to choke him out and swivel his head off his shoulders like a god damn toy Or like those decapitated cats

Noelle if she stress

>>715033070
I don't remember her laughter. How did it sound again?

>>715033070
I want you to go right now to her room and read her computer shit and see the fucking CRINGE AS FUCKING NIGGER SHIT POSTING STYLE SHE HAS OH MY FUCKING LORD I WANT TO CAVE THIS BITCH'S SKULL OFF FOR BEING THE "haha XDDD" 2000'S INTERNET BULLSHIT

>>715033138
Probably he means Susie

>>715026850
It really establishes a good formula with the Zone guardians, and Toby did a great job adapting that over to his own work. I'd like to see another game take on more of the horror elements from OFF though, basically anything inspired by OFF borrows structural/meta/character elements but leaves the horror on the wayside.

>>715032829
>I shoulda done this, like, a million years ago.
>With commemorative ring, we're gonna become stronger...
>Hey, she fixed it! My mom is a computer genius fahaha! Let's do a dance for the computer genius woman.
>Thanks, Mom! How'd you get rid of the de—
> wait... why do you have a katana?
>What did you do?! Where's my computer?!?
>It's in a better place, Noelle. Or rather, it's in the same place, but now it's cleaved red by the blade

>>715033010
Didn't he insist on doing the pose in one of the chapter 4 fountains?

>>715033138
"Faha"
It drives me up a fucking wall

>>715033157
O_o take a chill pill man lol XD

check out my new AU bros isn't kinda cool? I'm Jenkins and I made it all alone. It took me 2 weeks to come up with this idea.

Deltarune Cyan
Light fountains
The light worlds are the moon and different planets
It's too late for you

>>715033327
That's it, i'm summoning the guy with the big iron on his hip. We're dining on deer stew.

What Ch 3+4 song goes hardest in your opinion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WD93lz5GU

Meat Factory

>>715026309
If Toby wanted, he could've leaked actual bits of his story on /v/ and nobody, I mean NOBODY would've taken it seriously.
>the chapter 3 schizoboss is the knight
>the chapter 4 schizoboss is piles of gerson's dust and you fight a titan early
>mike is just a green version of that smiling dude from the king-overthrowing crowd from chapter 1
>sans actually fucks toriel

>>715033556
Trouble Dingle!

>>715033473
That's it, you're getting your feet tickled, you stupid cow.

>>715033331
i like your AU anon, i'm very proud of you

>>715033623
You forgot the most implausible
>Susie asks Kris to lick her hair

>>715031962
Kris wants to name their first born Asriel instead of prancer.

>>715033781
Thwarted again! She has none!

>>715033457
Same boat, I replayed not guitar hero so many times

>>715033331
I wonder if Toby is going to make another true lab for deltarune since horror fangames and animations are overused now

>>715034149
The bunker will be the true lab when you find out that the bunker can connect to the school's backdoor that leads into the place where Castletown is. The smoke coming from the bunker was not a dark fountain inside the bunker, it's Ralsei's dark fountain

>>715033308
>>715033138

>>715026309
we all know who the friend inside me is, but what about the friend outside me?

>>715034149
Cock_shock imminent_rape

>>715031067
OFF
Fear and Hunger
Lisa (original, not definitive edition)
Omori (lots of parallel themes specifically to deltarune)
Look Outside (more recent, more earthbound-y than the rest of these)
Everhood 1 (probably the best reply to undertale on a conceptual level, altho its not perfect)

All these games listed have their own unique artstyles that stand out from each other too. Quirky rpgs as a subgenre is kinda based I highly recommend checking out at least 1 or 2 of the above

>>715032382
>>715032286
>I'm with you in the dark

Susie is the true protagonist of deltarune

>>715030627
The fluff stat gave you more shield during Spamton NEO's fight

>>715026291
Ehem
He took off his hat and never wore it again because he fell in love with a tomboy and teenage Chara to the point he showed his true face

>>715031946
>Alphys filling in for Gaster's missing role yet again
It's actually kind of crazy that I've never seen someone come to this conclusion

>>715032286
What does ontological mean anyway?

>>715034149
He's already doing horror stuff between MANTLE and Snowgrave as it is
>>715034268
Yeah it's way too convenient, the whole town definitely has an underground tunnel system

>>715026309
What/who the fuck Ralsei is. Seems like that's gone under the radar. The game even shows that he can fly/hover and nobody gave a fuck.

>>715031346
>Noelle is just as traumatized as Kris
>Noelle is on antipsychotics

>>715034739
concepts surrounding reality/existence
tldr what this shit doin here

>>715034821
>>Noelle is on antipsychotics
Mints...?

>>715034926
>Noelle when there's no "mints" >>715033119

>>715034814
We've been talking about it non-stop since chapter 1.

>>715026309
no one seems to be questioning that kris is already supposed to be "a cage and parts", what about him is assembled parts?

>>715026309
I feel like 1225 should be about Kris and not Dess considering it's the date for Krismas. Unless it's like Kris + Dess = Christmas.

>>715035028
goner hand

>>715035028
That one is very odd and flexible in nature
>The cage, with human soul and parts!
The parts seem to be hands and legs...right? So Susie or Noelle obviously still fit in a...way?
Kris being a cage makes sense, he restricts you and jails you away from choices.
Easiest copout is that that's truly about the vessel.

>>715025648 (OP)
I can play the piano. Fuck you Kris

>>715035043
The 1225=Dess thing stems from chapter 2's "DECEMBER HOLIDAY" searches

>>715034728
alphys has been specifically said to be replacing gerson after he retiered/ died
considering that alphys is still pretty new in town, gerson's death must be fairly recent

>>715028094
>all scizobosses are stages of grief if you think about it deeply. Ralsei is denial
>implied to only be five crystals
>jevil: acceptance (or denial depending on how you view him)
>spamton: bargaining
>knight: anger
>gerson: denial (literally denies his role as schizo)
>???: depression
i can see the logic in it, maybe not ralsei as a schizo boss tho. so the shadow crystals are, what, a symbol of grief? i wonder what that would say about the pure crystal, and subsequently the twisted sword which requires the pure crystal.

>>715035323
oh of course I'm retarded

>>715031346
did you organically come to realize the truth of tard theory or did you just want to talk about it
susie also likely has a learning disorder, poor girl can barely spell if the letter to alvin is anything to go by

>>715035409
>>???: depression
I already put Ramb in the acceptance part but he could also be depression.
But man, i'm going to throw the biggest hail mary throw ever and say that the fifth schizoboss will be either Asgore or Toriel's wedding Ring as a darkner.

>>715035474
Neither, mainly just pointing out that Noelle does not fit her classroom.

>>715035282
this theory is even more retarded than friend inside me woody shit

>>715026309
Ralsei has more parallels with Toriel than with Asriel
He's literally a junior Toriel, which is why he seems very "feminine"

Stupid damn Kris. I fucking hate you bitch. Why am I stuck with you?

>>715035593
Maybe if Ramb was a schizo boss. It certainly seems like he would have been schizo'd if there had been more time for Widdy D G to give him a call.

>>715031346
I buy into the idea that she’s a ticking time bomb if something goes wrong, I knew a guy that was otherwise normal but he was always one bad grade or wrong answer from punching the chalkboard until his hands bled total fucking meltdown had to be put in with the illiterate kids. Probably autistic but I didn’t pry for obvious reasons.

The "Susie is the REAL hero" shit will be obnoxious as fuck if Toby doesn't play it right. I hope his handling of her romance with Noelle isn't a grim omen.

>ERAM
>MARE
>KNIGHTMARE
>Toriel has bad dreams after you beat the knight
If we conclude that ERAM is the Knight jacking in to the Mantle game in another room to fuck with Kris and give them the shadow mantle, that raises a lot of interesting questions about their relationship. Because ERAM is pretty confrontational and antagonistic with Kris, not (You), Kris, the entire time.
That along with the line about the knife getting dull with no play...
What would the knight want out of the player going for the forbidden path?

>>715035850
Noelle is primed to explode next chapter if Kris doesn't,
She probably isn't stable with her mom breathing down her neck(even if lovingly), her dad dying and Dess still missing on top of her being a weirdo masochist who is obsessive

I don't know how that would play out in relation to Weird Route tho

Is there anything different that happens if you fight Tenna

>>715036031
>What would the knight want out of the player going for the forbidden path?
>"Kris i want you to make me an aunt, i wanna be the cool aunt, Kris, i need nephews"

Where did the name "ERAM" come from?

>>715035996
I think he's building it up as a swerve, where Susie starts getting a big head and thinking she is the KEY TO ALL OF THIS and can CHANGE THE PROPHECY etc....get everything she wants, her perfect ending, keep all her dark world friends blah blah

But she can't, we know it can't go that way. There's so many things going on behind the scenes that Susie is just currently blissfully ignorant of. It's all going to come crumbling down for her, and she'll end up being more of a force for evil than good, even if she thinks she's being "the hero"

Obviously the final verse of the prophecy that Ralsei didnt' want her to see, and that she swears they "won't let happen" is.....the GIRL must die...

>>715035996
>"Susie is the REAL hero"
It's Noelle, it's priming Susie for her breakdown once she realizes she's still being lied to and strung along without seeing the big picture
>>715036031
The KNIGHT doesn't show up until the end, it's either FRIEND or Seam heh, what's the difference?

>>715036243
It's the name of the song that plays right before the boss fight.

so what's with 9 slots in the bottom right corner of the chapter select again?

>>715036161
He remains broken in the real world, if you didn't recruit certain Darkners (I think it's Pippins and Zapper but I can't be sure)
Susie says they looked around and found him in the dark world, but he was too busted up to be fixed, and they "couldn't find anyone to help tell us how to fix him"
>"Do you think we were maybe too mean to everyone..?"

>>715036192
why didn't Dess just have Azzy's, is she stupid?

>>715035648
noelle and kris both fit the class as well as the other, they both never really recovered from whatever happened to dess
noelle is somewhat implied to have an anxiety disorder, and she herself admits that the only two people who she's really comfortable around are her father and kris
gerson was originally the teacher of alphys' class, likely before they entered it, and he knew exactly how to teach susie despite her issues
gerson's class may have been for the more troubled kids, or the ones with physical disabilities, which alphys took over after he passed despite not really being suited for the job
dess would fit right it, and if she is the knight that would explain why gerson in the dark world is the way he is

>>715036327
shard count on save files.

>>715036327
which save files you got the shadow crystals in, and which chapters

>>715036341
Dess, just like Carol, indulges in the art of human male penetrating female furries in secret (heart plushies) and both want Noelle very, very pregnant.

Is the song "Beginning" the only track that uses an undertale leitmotiff?

>>715026309
I think the shadow crystals are describing when Susie finally finds out about the weird route
Also Kris losing a hand before that i guess

>>715036103
everyone is one bad day away from a meltdown in ch5
that's why it was the original last chapter in the batch, because shit is going down in ch5
susie, kris, noelle, all of them are in for a gnarly time
i don't know how things are going to start, but i do know the last straw for noelle is going to be rudy dying, likely at the festival, and susie learning about kris having trucies with the knight

>>715036442
>Kris passed this up
There better be a good reason, like she's messed up or guilt

>>715036442
sickening

>>715036289
I believed the Snowgrave route was the most accurate form of the prophecy.

>you gotta get the shadow crystals in each save file after chapter 1
>you gotta get all the eggs too which you can't do for snowgrave because of how it works in chapter 2
toby you lllllousy motherfucker you have cursed me and my autism

>>715036496
>The Angel's Heaven is a Dark World that preserves her dad
If this happens, it's going to be fucking brutal.
>>715036537
No no no, it's one version of it
It's meant to be interpreted and reinterpreted over time
>Scripture
>Lord of the Hammer
>Dragonblazers
Snowgrave is probably just Dragonblazers

>>715036513
He HATES cheese puns.

>>715036513
>There better be a good reason, like she's messed up or guilt
Or Kris is a real player and wants to aim big, he wants Dess.

>>715026309
what the fuck was the knight doing to Toriel at the end of chapter 3

>>715036341
You got any more creepy shit like this? Someone posted a piece of FRIEND trying to get Dess and Kris to follow him to the woods a few days ago and its been stuck in my head ever since.

>>715036718
KIDNAPPING BEAM GO

Is it possible to get to the knight in the church? The first time?

Too many christmas treats...

>Helps you kill darkneRs (they're not people)
>Agrees to a date
>"Should I ice this faggot?"
>Nerdley run! You can't beat KRIS!
>have to ask like 5 time
>saves her "abuser's" life
It was the ring's fault.

>>715036693
>Spamton was just helping Kris swap Dess with Noelle so he could be a [BIG SHOT] with an older girl

>>715036746
you sure it's not this one?

>>715036341
>>715036824
>still missing the point of Gaster
This fanbase is retarded and SUCKS.

>>715036638
i think the angel's heaven is a light world event, much like the roaring
although noelle attempting to save rudy in a dark world is possible, i think asgore is just as likely to try it

>>715036824
No no, it was very clearly FRIEND and there was a lot of dialogue from him begging them to come outside.

>>715036473
you can always come home

>>715027328
I LOVE TV

>>715036513
>guilt
>"you can never wash it all away"
it's guilt, anyone trying to push it as if it's noelle's fault for playing vidya is coping

>>715036962
ha ha yeah

>>715025908
is there a toilet in Castle Town?

>>715036513
He's avoiding her out of love.

>>715036885
you know the more I think about it I feel like I've definitely seen it

>>715026309
bible symbolism

I'm disappointed the religion isn't actually Christianity. I thought for sure it would be. Guess I should have expected that when it said their religion doesn't have sins or confession

>>715036962
Weird. I was listening to it when your reply popped up. It seems Before The Story also shares the Once Upon a Time leitmotiff. It probably doesn't mean anything though. Other than that it was one of the first songs toby made.

i always hate that the upside down face part of gasters design is never used in fanart.

>>715037220
>>715036341
Got it. /utg/ came through.

>>715036746
i have this

>>715037469
oh jesus fuck anon

Nobody is going to talk about Tenna and Mettaton wearing the same clothes?

>>715036773
Yes, when you get to the top Kris just stands there in front of the knight while Susie shouts at him to do something, and lets himself get knocked down to the bottom

>>715037597
I'm sure it's been talked about

>>715037540
Pretty good stuff. Poor Dess.

>>715037565
You can see why it left an impression, yeah?

Without LOVE it cannot be seen.

>>715037694
yeah, shits rad

>>715037670
When? The only thing I've seen was Noelle raped or Sans losing the respect of his fans

>>715037063
>>715037119

>>715037469
there's more in this same style if you want

How bad will the normiebase meltdown be if December is revealed to be kind of messed up and not a good person?

>>715036031
Something capable of smiling was in the vending machine.
It stopped being there after you beat the real game.
... but that only proves Friend was nearby, not necessarily interfering.
I admit, I like the theory of ERAM being connected to the Knight, but I think the Knight sneaking in and playing the game is a bit... much? I think the connection is probably more that they're the same entity in the prophecy.
Since the mantle game is ultimately a fiction even within the dark world, it's a new "layer" on which the prophecy can begin unfolding again.
>visit the isles of northernlight
>use up game Noelle
>slay game Ralsei and game Susie
>use a blade to cleave the lord of screens
>no reasonable way to locate any other characters playing a major role in the prophecy
>go to the Shelter
>ERAM is there
The only remaining individuals you could POSSIBLY name as major players in the Prophecy are the Knight, or the Titans themselves. If you want to spring for others we know of then Lancer, Queen, and Jockington are suspects, but the Knight lines up too well to ignore.
>but why the fuck did this version of the prophecy just happen to turn the Knight into a bratty bedsheet?
FUCK if I know. How did Seam lose the Mantle to begin with?

>>715037821
Post whatever you have if you're up for it, anon. Not necessarily just FRIEND or Dess stuff either, but whatever you got that's perturbing

>>715031034
Vesselle

>>715037895
I think the normiefags are gonna meltdown super hard if Kris is getting misgendered. Just imagine Asriel comes back, calls Kris his lil bro and Kris, IN UTTER FUCKING DEFIANCE AGAINST THE TYRANOUS STARS, just nods and is happy to get called a bro.
Holy fuck Toby Fox is threading on giant asian hornets

>>715037801
HERO_SWORD will come back to traumatize Kris even more

that fucking cat that i hate

>>715037895
I can't say anything about normies, but fuck I'd take it. It'd be interesting to see at the very least.

>>715026378
Because Asgore brings fresh flowers to Toriel everyday in some way, which she immediately throws in the trash.

>>715036693
>>715036821
He wouldn't cuck his older brother thoughever
Literally bigger behavior, Kris isn't a disgusting ape

>>715038208
Then why does the floral scent only increase when Kris hand delivers a new set inside the house?

>>715036693 #
>>715036821 #
He wouldn't cuck his older brother thoughever
Literally nigger behavior, Kris isn't a disgusting ape

>>715032865
>single tough glove
aren't there multiple of them?

>>715031928
i keep thinking maybe dess isn't the knight purely because of how obvious it is, but then i remember the majority of the fanbase are absolute retards or simply don't bother reading beyond surface text

>>715038065
>"Hey my little (Toby, please remember to set a random variable for the gendered language here, thanks. -Toby <3)"

>>715038216
>freudian slips

>>715038315
>fucks up the re-attempt

Your mistakes are never forgotten

>>715037758
here's a fun video vaguely on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuN2Fl2j1l8

>>715038216
>>715038315
Freudian slip?

>>715038315
>He wouldn't cuck his older brother thoughever
His side of the room having zero prizes and awards would soon have one:Dess' fat ass making a dent on the mattress.

>>715038370
I kek'd anon I kek'd

how long ago did dess vanish before the story.

how do I correct the mantle reliably
It's the only boss I'm still dying to when I try to speedrun

>>715034149
frankly, after the goddamn titan barely even looking like an undertale design at all (not to mention the way it looks like a fucking human head before it fully reveals itself), i fully trust the dog will pull some crazy ass shit for at least one of the later chapters.

>>715026309
the mantle game is literally fucking dragon blazers

>>715038513
Play the SWORD ROUTE and get the 3 keys

>>715038372
fuark that's some great stuff but I wasn't expecting that gaster voice, Made me laugh
also that last bit wooooooooooo

>>715038513
your sord has more range than you think smack the hell out of it and eat candies
hit it when it's divebombing you s'cool

>>715038428
If Tenna's flashback is anything to believe, pretty long ago. 5 years at minimum.

>>715038428
7ish years if i had to guess
noelle (and kris by proxy) looked pretty young when noelle was reminiscing in ch2 and dess was almost certainly a teenager around the same age as noelle and kris now judging from her room

>>715038135
>>715037895
>>715037821
>>715037758
>>715037540
>>715037469
>lured kris with the headband and dess into the shelter
>the headband became ERAM and dess became the knight
what the fuck did he DO to them jesus christ

>>715038573
gaster having a more casual/ upbeat voice is much more unsettling than a deep or overtly creepy one
it makes everything he's doing seem like just a game to him, like it's all just for fun

>>715027993
how was it phrased?

>>715038672
damn that reminds me of a comic where Dess and Kris enter the bunker and I think it was a dark world or some shit but Dess slipped off a ledge and Kris was too afraid to help her

>>715037821
reminds me a little bit of that old AI filter thing that turned everything into fucked-up dog amalgams.

>>715026309

I don't think the Roaring Knight is real. I think they are a fake creation.

This is because every dark world that is created somehow reflects the person that created it. Well, every single dark world has actually been pretty similar, other than the one made by Susie! There is no evidence that more than one person has been making those dark worlds, and that person is likely Kris.

>>715038389
>zero prizes and awards
No longer the case

>>715038817
BUT THAT'S ASRIEL'S

>>715038783
Yeah, I wonder why two people who grew up together, were close to each other and shared interests have similar fountains.

>>715038731
that's true

>>715038672
>Kris lost the headband in the shelter
holy, that makes sense, would also explain why Eram knows Kris so well

Deranged perverted weirdo

>>715038923
man fuuuuuuuuck asriel BITCH ASS

>>715032751
To be fair, up to reaching the Knight, you still had no need to actually fight anyone, so by that point people still thought you could act your way out of the superboss like in the previous chapters. Even the Titan spawns can be purified away even if apparently killing them has no impact in your recruits, but I agree that not attacking the Titan is dumb when Ralsei, the guy who is constantly pestering you to always spare enemies, both indicates that it's a being whose only purpose is to destroy and literally tells you to attack it once its shield its down.

>>715038940
By that logic, Noelle and Kris are really close since she copies him in Dark World

Shippers are so funny since they get such tunnel vision about anything but their favorite pairings

>>715038987
Perfect

>>715038731
i think he would kinda sound like the master from fo1 where he switches voices mid conversation.

>>715038594
they only start dropping candies after you die at least once, apparently
will definitely try practicing my spacing more though

>>715039042
Take meds, I wasn't talking about shipping.

>>715037821
i thought the one on the shoulder had big tits for a second

>>715038923
if asriel is as much of a cool guy as we're lead to believe, he would 100% approve of kris 'borrowing' money to take susie to the diner and congratulate him on getting he susie award
probably also ask how the hell kris managed to get a girl in his room without toriel freaking out

>>715038987
Berdly is the only healthy one in the group

But what about that doll in Seam's shop?

>>715039042
noelle is following kris' lead because he's teaching her
kris seems to be emulating what he remembers dess doing because he thought it was cool
they may seem similar, but they're not

>>715039109
>damage control
Sure buddy, like I haven't seen the same argument being thrown every time about Dess and Kris

>>715039036
You have to Fight GigaQueen, but people don't think it counts because they can technically win by just punching during Queen's attacks. It's very dumb, but it really should have set up the idea that fighting will have to be done sometimes.
It's even faster to attack Queen's shield than it is to use the toast ACT

>>715039130
i think that is a reference of a game Temmy is doing

>>715039163
Oh, so it doesn't matter when you say so
Very interesting
Hilarious even

>>715039174
>damage control
That's exactly what you are doing right now. You could've just said "whoops, my bad", instead you will now throw feces at people and scream about shippers in your walls.

>>715025648 (OP)
Why can't deltarune look like this instead of dogshit nes/snes graphics?

>>715030413
I think he's deathly afraid of you seeing whatever's in there, which is why he stops fighting back once you actually get in. The game's shelter doesn't match the shelter he knows, so he calms down massively.

>>715039290
toby's a small indie dev please understand

>>715036161
How you approach Tenna's fight does not matter. What matters is if you recruited the right people or stabbed anyone

>>715038817
Look how friggin smug she looks, she knows

do you dear browsers think ralsei get a secret boss focus in chapter 5 like susie got one in chapter 4 and kris had in chapters 1-3. although jevil could be taken as being directed toward us and spamton being directed towards noelle and the weird route.

>>715039323
>The Roaring Knight? Well about my ROARING ENGINE!

>>715039276
>your le poopy monke
>no u btw
Strawmanning next
Are you quite done?

>>715039387
we've got 2/3 cool weapons(Susie gets TWO cause of Jevil), Ralsei's gotta get one from somewhere

>>715039290
the dogshit nes/snes graphics are there to make the not-dogshit graphics pop out more
i'd post a gif of the titan's hand as an example but i can't find any good gifs of it on google

>>715039443
Thanks for proving my point.

>>715039373
>Little murderhobo walkin up
love that little nigga

>>715039290
The dogshit SNES graphics carry 10x the soul that the OP image does
I've seen OP done a trillion times by generic indieslop showcases from every console and publisher

>>715039373
i just want a relationship like this with anyone, really

Do you think Kris did anything else offscreen in chapter one besides getting pie?

>>715039540
wretched lil sperg

>>715039625
THE BEST CHARACTER

>>715039625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ZOjAuHJao

He's going in the eggnog jar.

>>715039587
there's a very good chance he got a call which told him the plan for the next day
we also know that he plugged in the tv with certainty now, he may have also made the deal with tenna that night as well

>>715039582
>*(Susie's smile, which seemed to defeat everything)
>*(Shined on in front of you, and for a moment)
>*(It was as if all the darkness had been blown away)

>tfw no one will ever look at you the way Susie looks at Kris
And I don't even particularly care as much IRL, Susie is a special character. She has power.

So ASGORE is pathetic on purpose/for some 10000IQ plan or is he the cuckmaster of the Deltarune/Undertale universe ?

Would DR have worked had Toby released it in 2015 instead of UT, would it have caused the same impact?

>>715026309
The soul goes to the right when the Knight finishes their final attack. The soul always goes to the left back to Kris, but for that single instance it goes to the right. To the Knight instead of Kris. This has massive implications about the Knight, our soul, and possibly even what happened to our vessel, but I've seen almost no one bring it up.

>>715039897
>possibly even what happened to our vessel
how

>>715039883
There would have been way WAY WAY more rape memes, people are so scared to joke about it nowadays

Wait a minute..
>Horns
>Knows Kris
>Weird Glitchy Stuff
>Knows Susies and Kris's secret identities
>Queen thinks they are the strongest

Has anyone seen The Knight and Noelle in the same room?!?!?

>>715039812
Just an extreme case of oneitis. Happened to the best people.

>>715040105
When I suggested this anon called me stupis

>>715040105
Wait a second, did we rape the knight?

>>715039735
Deal with Tenna? Is that some weird route thing? Actually now that I think about it, why did he keep running off somewhere when we were playing video games?

>>715040105
you're stupis anon

>>715040105
>Has anyone seen The Knight and Noelle in the same room?!?!?
Crackhead thought: The knight is Snowgrave-less Noelle from a past loop.

>>715040105
Noelle knight makes decent sense until you factor in how she acts in the weird route when you do all your shenanigans, not saying that it completely discounts her being the knight, but it doesn't seem likely.

>>715037895
Some people can't even stomach the idea that Kris is acting malicious if Dess is a jerk a good chunk of normalfags will asplode

>>715040275
Based

>>715040296
>you're stupis anon

>>715040296
*your
fucking idjit

The knight is grimdark Noelle.

WeirdCHADS are the good guys, like we've always known

>>715040105
Knight is post-snowgrave Kris absorbed sword wielder Noelle

>>715040568
big if true

I wonder if something bad is going to happen to Asriel.
He was the one guy in Undertale you couldn't save, him being fine in Deltarune feels weird.

>>715040568
>Kris absorbed sword wielde
Deltarune is really a fucking sequel to Legacy of Kain defiance, isn't it

>>715040484
My beautiful darling Angel Noelle will grow in strength and be banished into the Code to meet with her desire of glitching things out and it WILL end up making everything right.

>>715040669
he'll show back up fat and super buck-broken over Dess.

>>715040669
I like how in every route besides true pacifist Asgore has to die but nobody seems to care

>>715039928
The soul goes back to our cage, aka Kris, no matter what even if he isn't even physically there. Don't you think it's weird that our soul arbitrarily doesn't do that and instead goes to the right back towards the Knight. Why would our soul go toward where the cage isn't? Unless there was another cage, like our original vessel, is there is no other explanation as to why this would arbitrarily happen.

>>715040768
Like father like son.

>>715040105
Noelle also points like Kris and the Knight. Naturally we think they're both mimicing Dess but that could still be true whether Noelle is the knight or not.

>Noelle was the strong one always
>Heavy chances are she is the one that opened the dark fountain in the bunker
>Said dark fountain has become some BIG SHIT by now after all these years that it started to leak into the school and sprouted not one but two fountains
Possible? Possible.

>>715040358
>Kris is good the player is bad
Yeah, okay
Tired of seeing normalfags say this

>>715040872
noelle is copying kris who is copying dess

>>715040879
Why the fuck is she so powerful anyways?

>>715040969
because shes cute

>>715040969
She was born with a power level of 10000 and her skin is cold.

>>715027464
Basé Schtroumpf appréciateur

>>715040920
Reminder that The Batter is a little bitch and admits he's so retarded that he can't flip a switch without you when The Judge gives you the choice to control someone else.

>>715040969
The higher your libido the higher your power

>>715040768
>buck-broken
Not on the surface.

>>715040969
Plot reasons I guess.
Maybe the Holidays are boss monsters or something.

>>715040669
There's a theory that college is bullshit and he's up to something else or looking for Dess

Anyone find a use for the rouxls block ?

>>715041068
I can only hope we can do the same to Kris.

>>715041182
People that think Asriel would just head to college without thinking twice without being hung up on the past are retards that never played Undertale to understand his character
Undertale being much of a beta on ideas to come on Deltarune too

Stupid question but how come the birdcage wasn't a darkner?

>>715041315
Question is, where is he? Is he seriously just spending all his time in a dark world looking for Dess?

>>715034739
SCP term metaphysical fuckery, mainly reality bending.
>inb4 it's a real term
I know, but only SCP fans use it like that.

Love finding its way to the girl will be determining who (You) fuck with Kris
>Krusie
>Kriselle
>Annihilating Kris' pussy with your Vessel

>>715041315
He went to junior prom with Catty, presumably after Dess disappeared. I dunno if he's that busted up about it.

>>715041385
He knows about Seam so there's three options
One, he's in the bunker doing who fucking knows
Two, he's actually in college but researching about Dark Worlds
Three, he pretended to go to college, went either inawoods and/or bunker to seem busy
Keep in mind Dess has military rations in her room so Asriel pulling the third isn't so unlikely

>>715041385
Asgore told him to go find his girlfriend, but Toriel hated that bitch and doesn't want her boy in the dangerous dark world. That's why Toriel hates Asgore

>>715041075
is that why gaster called (Us) up?

>>715031479
I want to beat the shit out of him and ask him why he's doing this

>>715041590
With that ugly as shit jacket that Toriel likely had a hand on. Anon?

>>715032382
What if what kris saw in the woods was the boundary of the video game. The dark space with nothing past it. And within that Darkness he saw gaster

>>715042103
>"You're gonna have a BED time"

>>715042128
What?

>>715042128
Kresstards have no reading comprehension, don't bother. Only when it matters for their fetish.

>>715040842
>>715039897
Do you have any videos of this? I looked it up on YouTube and the heart just went back into knights attack

>>715026309
The official plushies available are
>Ralsei
>Jevil
>Spamton
>Lancer
>and...Seam?
This fucker WILL be significant. Mark my words. A cat who knows about the Shadow Crystals, encounters that we had yet to face, and is powerful enough to defeat/imprison Jevil is UP TO SOMETHING.

>>715042103
I can’t wait to steal Kris’s identity once I get my vessel

>>715037086
Yes. Pic related.

How do your CH3+4 save files look like? I'm gonna kill Tenna and Jackenstein in one of those to add spice

>>715042571
>is powerful enough to defeat/imprison Jevil
He just tricked him into being locked out, anon.
He pulls the same shit when Adisons try to buy his shop and he cheats on a game to "give them a lesson".

>>715042103
>Damn it, Gaster, why did you build this thing like a Ken doll?
>I wanted to make Kris laugh with a hilarious Evangelion reference.

>>715026309
Why does the Titan's shield look like a save point?

>>715031346
To be fair, I doubt it's actually a special needs classroom. It's more that 1: Monsters are all a bit special. 2: The town is tiny so everybody has to get together.

Besides, Noelle is 100% defenseless.

>>715042686
meowmowowowmoeweweowowwowmeowowowoemeweowofriendmeoweowemewoemoweoemoweowemeow

So how did the soul end up with Kris?

>>715028094
>ending with the humans and the monsters doing a pseudo-genocide on the magical beings to save themselves
Where have I heard that before?

>>715042681
>As the court mage, and his only companion, I was forced to lock him away...
Is the trickery directly confirmed anywhere? Either way, he's a mage, so capable of fighting. Asriel liked playing as a firey magician girl and ERAM uses fire magic. I don't know where I'm going with this but that cat is a bastard and I know it

>>715042885
QRD, I'm not a /co/ manchild

>>715031034
She's weak willed and that gives you, the player, far more control than you are supposed to have. She's the weak point that allows you to dismantle the game.

Between the lines route:
>Chapter 1: Jevil but don't go in
>Chapter 2: "download" Spamton and bring him to the Light World, gift it to Metatton or keep him there
>Chapter 3: grab odd controller but don't finish the mantle game
>Chapter 4: unknown, maybe leave the fireplace open so the hammer
>Aborted Snowgrave? But then you can't get Spamton in a disk though you can still get the ThornRing through glitching dialogue through the 400 CD bagels
It's probably not an oversight from Toby that you can do all those things and stop midway through.

>>715035474
>No pedophile
Nothing like Discord

>>715041182
>There's a theory that college is bullshit
That's a proven fact.

>>715042892
Lock him away is enough of a hint on its own, I'm not saying that he can't fight, just that he has tricks up his sleeve.

>>715026309
The fact that a place like Hometown is economically able to survive in the modern economy. Seriously, what's Carol's tax policy?

>>715042943
so the hammer is easy to access*

>>715042949
enter Dess

>>715030615
Seems weird and arbitrary.
What are the exact conditions for something to 'belong' to a location?

Things don't simply pop into existence once a building is erected.
They are manufactured in one place.
Shuffled through multiple locations in a logistics network.
Displayed at a retail storefront.
All before finally being purchased and moved into a private building.
Is it simply the act of purchasing?
What if I manually create something at a location using stolen materials?
Does my creation belong to that location?

Is it the perception that they aren't foreign to the environment?
If Susie had made the fountain in Kris' house, would none of the Darkners have petrified because, as far as she knows, everything present is supposed to be present?

Is it a matter of ownership?
If so, if you were to utterly dominate a person and crush their ego to the extent that you enslave them, or 'own' them in other words, would they become a darkner?

>>715039373
>>715039793
>People will look at these interactions and be like damn they're good friends

>>715028094
>because the elephant in the room here is that Castle Town, with all recruits on, IS NOTHING BUT A GOD DAMN HOARDER'S ROOM. Escapism through possession, it all circles back to Jevil, where someone thinks they're in absolute freedom confined in a tight space full of trinkets and toys to play with
Holy fucking kino

>>715043071
Don’t mind if I do!

>>715031346
Noelle sucks spit from drinking fountains and bottles it for later.

>>715042928
The show ends with the heroes destroying all magic across time and space to solve a comparatively minor problem they probably could've solved otherwise, after spending four seasons showing countless sentient beings who either need magic to survive or are literally made of magic.

>special-ed and pedo theory
Nice fanbase, Toby.

>>715042943
It's probably because there's no pay-off for these just yet so people don't even think about it
It's not like a character would go "oh btw you let Jevil escape" right on next chapter
>>715043074
Wait, the reason why Rouxls and Lancer take a while to turn to stone is not that they're playing along with the Dark World, it's because Kris did own them in the past since he had playing cards.

>>715031479
I'm with him insofar that he doesn't seem to be a evil person deep down inside.

I'm against him insofar that he's a little brat and needs to be corrected before he turns into Chara 2.0.

>>715043071
Kris already did, whether he wanted to or not

>>715042686
Love these niggas

>>715042928
That show ends with the protagonist destroying magic for the greater good, which also makes interdimensional travel impossible and kills all the magical being out there, which includes some of the minor characters. Also, for some reason, Earth and the world the protagonist is from get merged, as in geographically spliced together, which I'm sure didn't have any negative political and ecological consequences.

>>715043074
I thought it was because everyone abandoned their roles with Tenna, so they no longer belonged in the TV world

I'm not Ralsei...
But I'm Dess!_

yfw?

Kris is the antagonist.

>>715040969
It's like madoka magica, and girls/boys with high potential are stronger. She's the daughter of the mayor and the only person in hometown outside of Asriel who has a actual shot of making something of her life.

>>715027027
But anon, we've already been there.

>>715043083
They are 100% the type of couple that claims they are just friends even if they destroy each other every night.

>>715027447
But they don't look like the image at all

>>715027797
Though Kris not being able to play the piano while possessed has been around since Chapter 1, the massive focus it got in Chapter 4 really did feel like Toby channeling his feelings into the game

>>715042857
>Save points look like stars
>Save points are described as "a light only you can see"
>ShadowMantle protects against Dark/Star attacks
>Darkness and Light are the same element somehow
I feel this will get more thoroughly discussed when halfbread finally manages to make a video.

>>715043546
I don’t deserve this retard’s abuse

>>715039793
This

>>715043546
I TANKED that btw

>>715031947
What classes would different Deltarune characters correspond to?

>>715043546
what a dick

>>715043263
How are they more memorable than Sweet Cap'n Cakes despite being completely optional?

>>715027797
Didn't he come up with the idea for this game when he was a teenager?

Either way, yes. Entire story is obviously his self insert fantasy. Up to and including him wanting to fuck his teenage bully.

>>715043614
>Galeria
GALLERY but it's played by a mariachi band

>>715031840
Is Gold Widow a worthwile piece of armor in a practical sense?
Or is the only reason to get it completionism?

>>715043582
>Dark/Star are opposites
>This means Puppet/Cat are opposites too
>Puppet Strings force you on your fate
>Cats are associated with freedom

>>715043678
With how abundant money is becoming, it's not like getting it is even a big loss. I got the GoldWidow and still exited chapter 4 with over $4k

>>715043678
getting 10K is not hard

>>715031479
If I was possessed by an eldritch being from a higher plane of existence with unknowable motives I'd be pretty suspicious of it too

>>715031024
What do you think Deltarune-world 4chan is like?

>>715032537
You know, how Toby said that he was annoyed because a recent game release used a plotpoint very similar to what he was planning?
What if that game wasn't Omori as everyone expected, but rather Slay the Princess?

>>715031479
I'm entering my tongue into his blueberry anus and I can't be stopped

>>715033327
based

>>715043627
less dialogue = less of a chance to be annoying

>le gaster theory
I am so tired of hearing about generic creepypasta man that will never actually reveal himself or do anything important in the storrrh,.,

>>715026309
The heroes stay heroes in the light world. The prophecy is about events taking place in the light world. There is still magic and paranormal nonsense in the light world. Nobody talks about how fucking weird the light world is.

Nobody.

There is something other than Onion-san at the bottom of the lake, y'hear? And I don't think Ralsei understands that the Light World is going to be destroyed. Everyone is acting like the prophecy is about the Dark World, but we see how fucked up the Church was after the Titan fight. Fuck I feel like I'm going crazy.

>>715044048
>The prophecy is about events taking place in the light world

>>715043605
The fuck is Lancer doing there?

>>715040969
She's at the epicenter of a rupture in reality and she doesn't even know it

>>715043964
Wasn't that post from 2013 or 2014? I don't think he was talking about either bro.

>best part of chapter 2, and deltarune by extension
>chapter 3+4 release
>no weird route only content in chapter 3
>5 minute segment (that got censored btw) in chapter 4
>ARG has the number "5" smaller
Genuine question, did Toby fucking rush the game for the Switch release?

>>715044405
real ones know he was talking about OneShot

>>715044176
Yeah, okay, it's about both - But people act like it's dark world exclusive even though the prophecy is present in the light world religion.

>>715044441
>he still believes he can change fate

>>715039540
>>715039625
>>715039667
/ourguy/

>>715026309
What the fuck did Kris do in the shelter at the end of chapter 3?

>wears a cross
>attends the (decidedly not-Christian) church
Choose a lane, kid

>>715044441
Probably, he hired a team because he was too much of a perfectionist and it was delaying things and Nintendo needed another Switch 2 launch title

>>715044640
Went to Asgore's throne room to check on the souls.

So what are the lore implications of the soul being really good at playing guitar?

>>715044441
>Toby fucking rush the game for the Switch release?
almost certain he did with the way chapter 3 was set up
toby's autism wouldnt allow him to not be a switch 2 launch title
look at this shit
he gutted chapter 3 when he realized he couldnt fix the pacing in time, now we're left with hands down the worst deltarune chapter next to 1

>>715044441
I'm pretty sure the zelda minigame was always meant to be the big number 3 hidden, the dragon blazers references are almost the same as the minigames

>>715044760
>hands down the worst out of four except for this other one

>>715044760
Toby should've stuck to his original schedule with him releasing the next three chapters after 2 at the same time, even if it would've taken him longer. Shit like this is what happens when you listen to your own autism and the constant whining of thankless fans.

>>715044831
>chapter3fags are duking it out with chapter fucking 1
Dire.

>>715044673
>he was too much of a perfectionist
I fucking wish. He folded too easily to the WAIT.

>>715044746
Is it good at playing the guitar? I don't think it can play guitar with the controller, not much better than the piano b

>>715043621
>Scout
Dess.
>Heavy
Susie.
>Medic
Ralsei.
>Spy
Kris.
>Pyro
Noelle
>Demoman
Queen.

Not sure about the rest, frankly.

>>715044760
If anything Chapter 3 was better off with less. A extra board would have ruined the pacing, god forbid anything else.

>>715044760
What were the 4 somethings that got knocked down to 3.5? My first thought was boss fights, but that would require some debate as to what constitutes a boss fight

>>715044760
Except the last board was almost finished before it was cut. This wasn't a decision made to save save time; most of the work was already there. It was done to improve the pacing, and IMO it was the right call.

>>715045212
>Ramb shadow crystal schizo fight was cut from both the game and real life
deep

>>715045212
Maybe the minigames?
>Cooking
>Raise up your bat
>The susiezilla game that you have to go out of your way to play
No idea what the extra 0.5 would count as though

>>715044746
Rock and metal guitarists are often self taught to such an extent that they don't even know how to read music and this goes up to the professional level, in other words they possess determination. Piano players are generally taught by the book in other words follow the plan. Kris is just doing everything asked of him, (We) are in the dark about most things but can improvise to get something good.

>>715044760
It's not the end of the world, I firmly believe once he released the game fully, he'll touch up the older chapters to have the same flair of current ones.
Maybe even extend it a bit more.

>>715044441
i feel like chapter 2 set everyones hopes too high, he even tried quelling it by saying "chapter 2 is the longest chapter"
chapter 1 felt like DOGSHIT compared to it because chapter 2 felt like he finally figured out the formula

it had
>OTHER lightners appearing into the dark world, integrated and influential to the plot
>schizoboss is weaved into the storyline instead of being locked in a cuck cage, but if you want more, you'll have to dig deeper
>theme is lighter but knows when to be serious and lock in
>charismatic main villain instead of "HURR IM EVIL FUCK YOU LIGHTNERS"
>progresses the knight plot
>lets you go back and fuck around in the dark world with your new friends
>can progress the light world flags you set up
>ends with the story itself progressing
>has a fantastically written second route that BTFO's genocide due to pre-established relationships

and we thought
"huh... what if almost every chapter was like this?"

>>715044746
1: Soul is dess.
2: The game is under the failed assumption I have any musical talent.

>>715045443
3 has most of that though.

>>715045389
I think rock video was a guitar hero game, not actually paying guitar.

>>715045268
>>715045151
you're not getting it, with only TWO BOARDS, people already disliked the pacing of the chapter
your first reaction to hearing there was possibly a third one is "thank GOD he didnt do that"
that is a bigger problem than the number of boards, that is a fundamental issue with the chapter in general, one that wasn't solved by just cutting out a board and calling it a day. its entire novelty lies in being the last joyride before the story takes a darker turn

>>715045615
I just wish we could save during boards and we could replay them for higher ranks and points without restarting the game. Going an hour without saving is BS.