Poorfags are holding gaming back.
Go get a real job a buy a proper modern monitor!

https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam/hardware-survey-july-2025

>>715039654 (OP)
>poorfags
1080p is king

I wonder if it's cheaper to buy a compatible motherboard for my laptop than get a new one.

>>715039654 (OP)
Not a single GPU can run proper 120fps in 4k

>>715039654 (OP)
If you're so rich why don't you buy 20 4k monitors and give manufacturers greater financial incentive.

>>715039654 (OP)
What’s the cheapest “proper modern monitor”?

>>715039654 (OP)
Chasing the resolution meme is holding gaming back. 1080 @120fps should be the standard we lock before EVER chasing any other meme.

>highest temps
>less than 60fps
>60hz
>higher electricity bills
>non-gaming at 4k
4k is dumb

>>715039654 (OP)
There's no card capable of 4k without upscaling. Why should I buy a monitor for fake pixels?

Just got a RX6750XT for free (upgrading from gtx1070ti) and I'll keep running my games in 1080p.

>>715039654 (OP)
just bought another 1080 monitor recently maybe ill give it a try when this one needs to be replaced

Maybe they're rejecting them because they're a complete joke.

I use 4k and I love it, but 99.9% of monitors on the market are not fit for use. You wouldn't use a 14/16" 1080p screen, so why the FUCK would you use a 27/32" 4k one? It makes no sense, it's a downgrade over 1080p.

Actual 4k starts at 40" and up, where it's amazing and everything I wanted from LCDs for the past 20 years. But instead gaymer companies are selling tiny little laptop screens, so it's no wonder people are rejecting the scaling meme.

>>715039750
>TN panel

>>715039654 (OP)
The new cards can barely run 1440p. 1440p is nice but I wouldn't push anyone to upgrade to it.
They're fine staying at 1080p, modern gaming is absolute dogshit from software to hardware.

>>715039654 (OP)
If your so rich then buy everyone else the hardware to run it.

>>715039654 (OP)
2K 144hz i literally all you'll ever need. anything more than that is a meme, and 144hz is already a little overkill, but the option is there

>>715039972
yes, a dedicated gaming monitor

I've been looking into HDR monitors because a friend swears by it, says it makes games that properly support it look much better, and has no performance impact unlike stuff like raytracing/pathtracing, So ideally I'll be getting a 1440p monitor with hdr next, real hdr mind you.

>>715039654 (OP)
I just bought a 2k monitor because nobody makes a modern 16:10, and will be playing my games windowed at 1080. Anything higher is absolutely unnecessary.

>>715040064
what do you play on a high enough level to notice the difference a TN panel would make

>>715039654 (OP)
>TN+film
>60 Hz (no adaptive sync)
>1080p
Works just as good as it did in 2012, any modern gpu can run this resolution, why would I need more?

I have a bunch of 4k monitors and tvs but I play everything at 1080. Two nvidia gpus 3090 and 4070.

Graphics whores need to fuck off

>>715039654 (OP)
I don't need more than 1080p.

You motherfuckers are shit at shilling products. No sane hiring manager would ever hire you in sales & marketing.

hello we are up to 8k now! get with the times jeez

>>715039654 (OP)
4k doesn't make any sense for monitors of usual sizes. 1080p isn't the sweet spot, though. maybe 1440p would be more appropriate.

I'll move up to 4k when the ue5 dlss fsr slop producers actually start fixing their useless attempts at optimisation so it doesn't require a 5080 to run at 120fps 1080p

I used to be a framerate > resolution kind of guy but it was just cause I was stuck on 1080p and coping. When I got a good PC, I switched to 1440p and the difference between 1080p and 1440p was way bigger than the difference between 60fps and 120fps. Like 120fps is better but it didn't feel like a massive jump compared to 30 to 60. 1440p looks way sharper and clearer than 1080p. 1080p looks blurry as fuck now, I could never go back. You don't have to get 4k but you should at least upgrade to a 1440p monitor, they're pretty cheap now.

>>715039654 (OP)
1440p is the sweet spot

>>715039654 (OP)
Resolution is IRRELEVANT in 2025. Modern games upscale their graphics even on PC nowadays. Enjoy your 900p AI stretched to "4K" with blurriest ghosting AA to date...
There are absolutely no 2025 AAA games you can play at _native_ 4K with 100+ FPS. Nada. Zilch. ZERO.

>>715039654 (OP)
I'm using a 50'' smart TV because I have my computer on my living room so I can game on the couch or watch TV when friends and family visit. I kinda have no reason to buy gaming monitor atm...

>>715040695
Gpus are regressing. A 1440p monitor would be retarded when the hardware can't run it.

>>715040740
I bought a computer for more than video games.
If I wanted to be a retard I could just get a console.

>>715040740
>There are absolutely no 2025 AAA games you can play at _native_ 4K with 100+ FPS. Nada. Zilch. ZERO.
Why would I play a 2025 AAA Game? I'm going to play literally anything else.

>>715039654 (OP)
your retarded obsession with graphical fidelity is whats holding back gaming.

>>715039781
>no game mentioned, which makes the statement a lie

>>715039654 (OP)
AFAIK screens are the bottleneck of gpu. Their very hardware isn't made for gaming, but no one wants to fund a new type of screen.

>>715039654 (OP)
1080p is newer as a product than any game I played this year
I'm not holding gaming back I'm dragging it wards

>>715039654 (OP)
>4k
>Poorfag
If anything, if you buy 4k you are poorfag. They are the worst quality monitors, literally just the tv panel slapped into the monitor housing and they call it "gaymen"
You should buy anything but 4k

>>715041178
What else is there? 8k?

after playing at 4k i can't go back to 1080p
no i never used any dlss bullshit either

>>715041218
Us rich chads have 560Tis and play at 480p.

>1080p
>24'
>144hz
Yup, it's gaming time

I have a 1080p monitor and it means I can spend less on the monitor and my GPU which means I can either save money or spend it on other things
Gaming at 1080p is an enjoyable experience for me
Just because I can afford it doesn't mean I should spend that money

>>715040740
That's why 5120x2880 is the shit. You'll halve it for games.

>>715041365
While that's a very sane mentality, the fact that you have to announce it makes it sound like cope.

>>715041414
I grew up poor and was unemployed for the entire duration of covid so yeah, I have some mental problems around money

>>715039654 (OP)
If I wanted to watch 4K content, I'd rather buy a TV to wank it to.

If I had to choose between locked 120 fps 1080p and even a single frame drop at 4k, I'm going with 1080p. But that's only a theoretical scenario because no GPU can actually do locked 120fps at 4k, without using artificial frame gen bullshit and dynamic resolution and all that garbage that makes games these days look so messy and blurry.

>>715040397
Calling people poor for not buying a 5090 is a great way to get (You)s unfortunately

>>715039654 (OP)
Yeah, I'm not selling my soul to nvidia just to upscale 720p gameplay to 4k.

resolutionfags psychotic obsession with size is deeply homosexual

>>715041594
It's amazing how much hyperbole you weirdos use. Nobody upscales from below 1440p. Nobody. Not one single person.

>>715040718
I agree, I have 1440 at 144hz and I love it.

>>715041640
> Nobody upscales from below 1440p
Nintendo does it from like 420p like it's 1996.

>>715041716
>talks about consoles for no reason

What really needs to be upgraded is the capabilities of the human eyes, not the resolution of the monitor.

>>715039781
>imagine believing this..

i have a 1080p monitor and supersample from 1440p when i can afford the performance hit

>>715039654 (OP)
>sell 1080p monitors for twenty years
>be surprised that there are a lot of them around

It's almost like the advantage to PC is performance, I would rather play a game at 1080p 300+fps over 4k 60 or less.
If you wanna be a graphicsfag just stick to your 4K 20fps consoles.
>WOWIE ZOWIE LOOK AT THE VEINS ON NATHAN DRAKES COCK IN FOUR KAY!!! WHOOOOW
Fuck off.

>>715039654 (OP)
GPU's just aren't good enough

>>715041784
Sorry, it just amuses me. Either way I'm not upscaling anything. Fuck Nvidia, scamming everyone into paying more for nothing.

>>715041853
Why does it look like someone ran it though the photoshop sharpen filter?

>>715040740
4k is borderline useless for desk usage anyway. If you sit at the right viewing distance for 24 or 27" the advantage of a higher resolution is insignificant. You may be able to turn off AA but at the cost of your fps. 4k is fine on 32" but not everyone has the space and the recommended viewing distance is high. TVs are the one pushing 4k and those are used usually used by consoles where it will take at least 10 or 20 years more before they come even close to achieve native 4k.

>>715039654 (OP)
I bought a 2k monitor with mu rtx 5080 and still scale it back to 1080p.

>>715041915
>It's almost like the advantage to PC is performance, I would rather play a game at 1080p 300+fps over 4k 60 or less.
I love how you throw "all" PCs in the bucket. Like someone elses PC can run 300fps so it validates your box of shit which can't get 60fps.

>>715039654 (OP)
Resolution doesn't really matter that much. I'm still on a 1080 and that will probably be enough for flat games.
Poorfags holding back games is almost entirely due to input methods. Everyone just wants to keep using their cheapshit console controller that can't even play 3D games without software assistance.
>>715039750
Based ESL poster.

>>715041945
this. pckeks should have got a ps5 so they can actually see what real 4k looks like.

>>715041973
>Why does it look like someone ran it though the photoshop sharpen filter?
just the top settings post processing.

>>715039781
They all can, and do so on VR games, but making a VR game requires you to be able to make a game run properly, and do so without DLSS/TAA or any kind of similar goyslop, which street shitters and they/thems cannot do. (Unless they're making VR furry porn games when it comes to the latter)

PCfags defending 1080p. So much for PCMR when a console looks better.

>>715039654 (OP)
I use a 50 inch 4K hdr uhd LED tv for gaming excellent speakers too. Why the fuck uses a tiny monitor these days anyway? Are people retarded?

>>715040718
1440p/1600p is perfect. Especially 60HRZ or 144HZ.

>>715042005

Monitor tech progress is glacial no wonder people keep theirs around for long.
Still yet to match the motion clarity of almost a century old tech.

>>715039887
>There's no card capable of 4k without upscaling. Why should I buy a monitor for fake pixels?
TVs do upscaling anyway and on mine it looks good.

>>715039654 (OP)
attempted photorealistic 3D is cringe to look at.

give me 4K stylized 2D

i get enough 3D irl. i've actually spent more time with people than i have gaming this year

>>715041997
>Resolution doesn't really matter that much.
Resolution absolutely matters for the image quality but right now its a balancing act between resolution and good steady performance on a lot of games. 4K resolution just tends to get low drops every now and then, even with best rigs. Easiest way to make a game run solid smooth 120fps is to simply lower the resolution and framerate.

WHO THE FUCK USES A TINY MONITOR FOR PC GAMING INSTEAD OF A GIANT 4K UHD TV WITH DECENT SPEAKERS?

ARE YOU ALL ACTUALLY RETARDED?

>>715042219
>give me 4K stylized 2D
You do realize that best 2D hand drawn animation is always drawn in 24 fps right? Unless you prefer characters moving like paperdolls with excessive Motion Tweening.

Reminder that Nvidia just became the first company to be worth 4 trillion dollars

>>715042302
Only movies do 24fps. Almost all animation is 12fps in theory, but in practice usually isn't even 1fps since characters stand around and just move their mouths.

>>715039654 (OP)
4K is expensive and games are already really fun at 1080p. Also I don't have that much desk space for a super big monitor. Also if I had 4K monitors, I'd need a really strong GPU to support that. And even if I did get 4K monitors and a 4K capable GPU, I wouldn't be able to really enjoy modern games at 144hz because none of them run at that frame rate at 4K Ultra all maxxed out settings anyways.

You get what I'm saying? It's a lot of effort without the ideal results. Basically, you're gay and I'm gonna keep using 1080p. 4K's a meme, raytracing's a meme, AI generated FPS is a meme, it's all pointless.

>>715039654 (OP)

>>715042124
this top kek. read the thread

>people saying they bought $3000 5090 cards but also saying the card can't even do 1440p 60fps
literally fucking mogged by the PS5 pro.

>>715042359
>WHO THE FUCK USES A TINY MONITOR FOR PC GAMING INSTEAD OF A GIANT 4K UHD HDR TV WITH DECENT SPEAKERS?
>ARE YOU ALL ACTUALLY RETARDED?

why not just admit you can't afford the PC to run 4k?
Instead you have to come up with the most retarded excuses "I can't enjoy games unless they're running at 200fps" , shut up, nobody believes that you stupid spastic

>>715039654 (OP)
Raytracing and Unreal Engine pushes optimization back anyways. You all know this is true.

>>715042350
twos is the norm for anime which i generally don't watch because most Japanese tv-budget is just a chore. The last one i enjoyed was One Punch Man

I got a 48 inch oled monitor for $600 and life is sweet
if I had to pick again, I think I'd get 42 inches though, 48 is just slightly too big me so I gotta put my monitor back a bit. way better than 32 inches though

THE HDMI CABLE GOES TO THE 4K HDR TV RETARDS.
DO IT AND NEVER LOOK BACK

>>715042551
I don't even have a TV since I'm not 60.

>>715042546
BIG>SMAL
50 INCH IS PERFECT

>>715041218
You want monitors with
Low GtG response
High refresh rate
Good panel type
High reso
Async is good to have
Bright

The majority of not all 4k monitors are shit at everything but high reso.
2k is a sweet spot not because its reao are middling, but because it matches all other aspects perfectly.

>>715042436
>if you don't buy this unnecessary thing you are poor
ok you keep buying things and keep out economy vibrant

>>715042591
SO GET ONE. THEY ARE 300-400 BUCKS FOR A 4K HDR UHD 50 INCH
>nooooeeee I luv my tiny shitty screen with go faster stripes

>>715042629
>b-b-but you just buy better things
which you can't do, and rather than just admit it you'd rather bullshit about it

Developers should learn how to optimize if they expect people to play at 4k
>just buy a $2500 Nvidia card and accept playing at 28 FPS with DLSS ON
Just optimize your game. It's not hard.

>>715042302
Animation is by its nature not drawn with static fps.
It's drawn on twos, on three's, on fours etc. you add fps to scenes that need it.

>>715039654 (OP)
You don't need more than 1080p. You don't need more than 60fps. Pushing your hardware harder is not necessary. They want you to buy more so you spend more. 4k exists just to make them richer. You know this is the truth

>>715042669
I'm good. I'm not really into watching alien documentaries on the history channel.

>>715042728
buy a console

>>715042436
In an experiment in the computer lab on my comp sci class there were two machines, one runninga t 30FPS and one at 60 FPS. When asked which was the fastest FPS half the class picked the 30 FPS machine.

>>715042770
Everything comes to PC anyway eventually. There is no need for consoles

>>715042774
yeah, 50% of people are retarded, as shown in this thread

>>715039654 (OP)
The argument of anyone holding back game is immediately invalidated when you realize developers could completely ignore people outside of the highest hardware, which is what a lot of them are doing now. Which isnt going to be financially viable for long once people stop buying. Unfortunately prices have to come way the fuck down for everyone to adopt new tech faster & that just isnt happening anymore. I will be straight with you though OP. I'm sticking with my 4gb card & i3 until its well & truly ogre cause I simply just cant justify paying for gaming anymore. Sorry you had to be a brain dead consumer though.

>>715042436
Does that 12 pin connector still burn itself up especially on a 5090?
I'm not dumping $3000 just for it to kill itself

>>715042823
>they want you to spend more
>but I won't buy the option which I spend less
buy a console poorfag

>>715039750
1440p is nice but not required
120hz or more is mandatory for people that don't have calcified brains (or who aren't in poor fag denial/spouting sour grapes fallacies)
4k is a meme and slurps up too much VRAM for a negligible jump from 1440p.

>>715042746
>I'm good. I'm not really into watching alien documentaries on the history channel.
The HDMI cable goes form the PC to the 50 inch 4k ugd hdr TV. You can do it you really can just concentate as hard and you will figure it out
>noooeeeee I luv my tiny shitty monitor because its said gayming on the box

Have you really never played your games on a big screen? You are misisng out massively

>>715042860
you don't have $3000 anyway so what does it matter?

I am wealthy precisely because I do not waste money on useless trash like 4K monitors.

>>715042728
>You don't need more than 60fps
Thats where you're wrong. Which is why i can see 1080p can be justified when going for high framerates.

Blame Nvidia

>>715042887
how much wealth do you think you obtained by not purchasing a $500 monitor?

>>715042827
No it means that there is o difference to people, its pretty arbitrary which machine YOU will pick too in a test. Which macine people ;pick could simply be down to which is nearer a white light source for example.

>>715042860
Yes it does and the only card able to detect it via software is the asus one that costs a lot extra.

>>715042932
>they watched 30fps and 60fps
did they try playing it?

>>715039654 (OP)
FUCK OFF IDF NIGGER
NO GPU CURRENTLY CAN HANDLE 4K
ALL NEW TITTLES BELOW 60FPS
and don't me with dlss/fsr smear

>>715042930
>how much wealth do you think you obtained by not purchasing a $500 monitor?
>Yes I must play games on a tiny monitor instead of a huge screen because I'm retarded

>>715042930
>500$ my 2k monitor costs more. Do you think I will buy 4k for 500$ you poorfag?

>>715042862
Consoles are for those who are too dumb to see the versatility of a PC and only wish to play games

>>715042669
A 300-400 dollar 4k tv is going to have such dog shit hardware AND absolutely embarrassing software. You're actually wasting money doing that. Buy a proper samsung panel for twice the price instead of "saving money" by buying a shit product. I bet you enjoy Roku wall mart tv's, don't you anon?

>>715043002
Or nintendo consoomers as their games will never get ported anywhere else

>>715042976
>>715042978
answer the question.
You claim you got wealthy because you didn't buy a monitor. How much did you save? oh wait, wealthy to you is having $200 in the bank lol

>>715042964
Yes and some of the oens who picked the 30 FPS sounde djust like you. It was a cool experiment but people like you have always existsed claiming that gold contacts on digital media cables sound better', People from poor backgrounds are often desperate to be percieved as eitieist (you)

>>715043002
>b-b-but I want to do other stuff on it
what like?

>>715042746
Having a bigger TV available for movies/tv showers/controller gaming (I mean M&K works on a TV too but I haven't tried a comfy M&K couch thing out so ehh) is sweet, plus OLEDs have MOSTLY worked out screen burn in - they'll still burn in if you watch cnn for 2 years straight at 100% brightness for 16 hours a day (pic related from rtings who does that for their burn in test lmao), but I have been using my PC almost every day for 2 years and not a single trace of burn anywhere

My 4070 super struggles with 1600X1200 at very high settings in games like cyberpunk
How should 4096 x 2160 work?

>>715042882
I'm not buying a 5090 just to own someone on 4chan
That's just beyond petty

Next you'll say
>lmao u poor

>>715043036
>>715042976
>>Yes I must play games on a tiny monitor instead of a huge screen because I'm retarded

>>715043065
>they sound just like you
what do I sound like?

>>715042774
Watching and actually engaging in inputs on 60hz or lower is entirely different and your argument is disingenuous for ignoring that (like all 30-60fps poor fags love to do). Play video games on 120hz and then play video games on 30hz and realize how absolutely retarded your comment is.

>>715043091
>How should 4096 x 2160 work?
upscaled

>>715043091
turn on dlss in transformer mode (cnn is the old model and might have motion blur issues in some games), on like balanced or quality mode

>>715043097
>I'm not buying it
I know. That was my point

>>715043150
stupid
what size screen do you play games on. Be honest.

>>715043097
I have a 5090 and I bought a 1440p 27" higher end ips together with it.

>>715039654 (OP)
4k doesn't add anything to gaming, but 480fps does

>>715042872
>Have you really never played your games on a big screen?
I did. I disliked it so much I even started plugging my consoles into my computer monitor.

>>715043045
Because a 4k monitor costs over 2000$ and wasting money on things that are worse isn't a smart way to spend money.
You don't get wealthy by not spending money, you stay wealthy by not spending money on garbage

>>715043178
>>715043183
what is even the point then...

>>715043119
I'm telling you to buy a real tv you retard. I'd rather play vidya on a small screen than on your dog shit walmart roku "4k smart tv" you poor american nigger. A full sized 4k OLED 120hz TV is extremely nice to play vidya on, not your fucking bottom tier tv. I swear blacks just see "4k" and go "YUP DIS A GOOD TV N SHIET".
I bet you wear polyester underwear.

>>715039750
pcsisters really be buying a $2k graphics card to connect to a 20inch monitor

>build beefy computer for the time
>use it for no other reason than to play indie games and lose money in the stock market

>>715042389
Why do you keep posting this, nobody is stupid enough to take this stupid bait

>>715043171
You're clinically retarded if you are still playing games on a tiny screen you can't even realistically notice any gain on. If you think you can detect any latency on a 50 inch 4K HDR you're pants on head reatrded they all have a gaming mode

>>715043241
>480hz
>still less smooth then a monitor from 1996 while requiring insane computing power to reach the 480hz from the PC

>>715043253
>>Have you really never played your games on a big screen?
>I did. I disliked it so much I even started plugging my consoles into my computer monitor.
like a prisioner released who feels uncomfortable unless he lives in a cell sized room. I see.

>>715043091
it wont
shits so crazy too my 4070 used to powerhouse demanding games like 2077 and starcitizen, one day it could barely tolerate either and it happened fast , like a week. performance gone, money stolen. thanks nvidia

ITT eliteist retards hunched in front of tiny overpriced monitors while chads are using 4K large screen TVs

>>715043090
But what you can't solve with OLEDs right now is VRR flicker. They're good for watching movies but OLEDs for gaming are just crap for the time being. Well that's maybe a debatable statement since it's like a trade off since they usually get good pixel response times (depending on what you buy) that surpass LCDs, but their adaptive sync capabilities are borked.

>>715039654 (OP)
"4k" isn't even actually 4k. t's 2160. When it actually hits that point, maybe it will be worth upgrading.

>>715041269
Great, I can afford that, too
>>715041481
At least you live near the Brazil beach.
>>715042620
I now know what to look for, but isn't it 2k>4k>8k? Are 2k screens much cheaper than 4k?

>>715043487
>t. Seething screenlet

>>715043595
Just get a big TV and enjoy.

>>715043408
I mean, there's not that much a difference. You are sitting farther away from a larger screen just to get a similar FOV as a regular computer monitor. It's more the wasted space and lack of utility I disliked.

>>715043460
stay on your couch grandpa nobody cares, you are the retard.
> i like something
get rid of it
>no
waahh the elitists are bullying me
kys whiny cunt
nobody asked you shit

>>715039654 (OP)
Pc cucks and there shit 3rd world PC trash this fags only play shovelware that's all the broke ass pc can handle..

>>715043603
No. OLEDs are a completely flawed screen technology because of VRR flicker, just a fact. If you've never encountered it then you don't play many games.

>>715043710
>3rd world
They moved on to mobiletrash nowadays

>>715043321
are you running any of the settings they added in 2023/2024? because overdrive mode is basically pumping up the raytracing (and adding path tracing) to a level where you need dlss or you're getting like 40fps

and im not saying dlss frame gen, just dlss resolution which in transformer mode you more likely than not cannot distinguish even in still frames

>>715043687
>>715043701
Most of the game syou play were written fro consoles and intended for TVs.

You're all fucking retarded.

>>715043729
O wow the flicker boys! Unplayable...who the fuck is that gay and useless...PC cucks

>>715039654 (OP)
>Why yes I play on 1080p how could you tell?

Its almost like the market is tired of being scammed by these cunts. There is no reason to upgrade ever again.

>>715039654 (OP)
Why get a monitor when you can just use a 4k tv?

I love my 4K HDR. Never going back to a small screen.

>>715043938
>Why get a monitor when you can just use a 4k tv?
/thread

>>715043824
Pc cucks and the settings..passes 2h for settings to play in potatoes PC starts the game still runs like shit go to 4chan post is shity settings and pretend it runs well ... the PC cuck life

>>715043384
I have my old Compaq CRT monitor from high school that I have my steamdeck plugged into for retro games. Feels super comfy doing it.

>>715044024
Don't forget to dillate

>>715043857
the fact you think nobody is upgrading because they dont want a "big ass tv" as you say has nothing at to do with monitors or tvs.
Yes, you are the dumbest fuck here. You dont seem to graps why people are refusing to make the jump.

>>715041973
>Why does it look like someone ran it though the photoshop sharpen filter?
Somehow devs believe that lens distortion and chromatic aberration are desired settings for a game or something.

>>715043997
they added an overkill setting to sell 4090s and 5090s and you're complaining that like 60fps at 1600x1200 before upscaling is too low

>>715043907
Lots of waitfags got fucked when 50xx was shown to be barely any better than 40xx

>>715043938
>>715043994
t.

>>715043857
Kind of goes to show how bad playing on consoles and TV's are when a fucking productivity machine outshines them. Think about it, a dedicated gaming machine loses out to fucking office equipment with an input device based on a typewriter.

That said a lot of the games I play don't even have a console port think.

>>715044070
CA looks great in motion, but it ruins screenshots.

>>715040001
Imagine how good things could be if stronger hardware actually gave us better resolutions and higher frames instead of same resolution and lower framerates. I'm looking at you Capcom.

>>715043860
Why do you OLED zealots get so defensive when a flaw is pointed out? even RTINGs recognizes this as an issue. And they said something in this video that matters, that none of the shills for OLED will ever bother to mention this in their reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ZMmMWi_yA

>>715044168
based

>>715044098
What is don't care about your shit settings..I use superior ps5 and 4k oled TV hdr
It's gaming time no need for shit settings and fagotery play the game get my dick sacked by the wife same time life is good

>>715044070
Is chromatic aberration even still a thing? I feel like I don't see it as much anymore. At least compared to the absolute scourge it was from like 5 years ago.

>thread is full of luddites, visually impaired, and poorfags
Sasuga /v/

>>715044112
The 40 series was garbage. The 50 series also being garbage doesn't make the 40 series a better buy. The only people that got fucked are the retards that bought something not the waitfags that still have their money.

>>715039654 (OP)
I've recently gotten a 1080p monitor and it feels a little too big.

>>715044223
And i will mention here that i think RTINGs downplays the severity of the issue. Because small fluctuations actually DOES trigger flicker.

>>715039654 (OP)
i'll stick to 1080p
until they start optimizing their shit i'm not switching.

>>715039750
FPBP OP is a cuck.

>>715039654 (OP)
There are only 2 GPUs that can render 4k native resolution in modern games. Both cost like a plane wing and easily catch fire because of shitty connector design. 1440p isnt a sweet spot either, it looks better than 1080p but not enough to justify the performance jump. If gaming industry wants 4k as a standard it should really focus on optimising games, so they dont need 1k usd gpu, upscale and framegen to render this shit

>>715044279
I see a toggle in options almost every time I play something new, it's still a thing.

>>715044310
>acts all high and mighty
>RX 7900 XTX

>>715044310
>all this wonderful hardware
>being bottlenecked because he's still on windows 10
sasuga, retard

>>715039654 (OP)
>It's the players
>Yes I know AAA games can only run at native 30 fps at 4k on a 4090 but it's still the players faut
kill all corpo shills

>>715039654 (OP)
I'm not a graphics fag
I want developers to focus on other aspects, AI in particular has always been bad save for like 5 games.

>>715044310
>amd gpu
bro your dlss/dlaa/mfg?

>>715039945
27/32" is a good size for a MONITOR that you put on a desk and sit somewhat close to. Any bigger than that and you have to go beyond normal sitting distance to actually use it.
40" and up might be good if you just use it for gaming, but most people use PCs for more than that, and having high PPI is actually a good thing (most people who've used a high ppi screen will tell you that they prefer a high ppi to low ppi one).
Modern monitors are a complete joke because they're ghosting, smeary messes, not because they're small or anything lmao.

>>715044546
Post speccy in thread right now faggot
>>715044572
>retard doesn't understand what a bottleneck is

>>715044587
Those are garbage anyways.

>>715039654 (OP)
You don't need more than 720p. (((Full))) HD is a scam.

I sit two feet away from my monitor. What do I need 4k for?

>>715044675
>Those are garbage anyways.
says the luddite who has never actually used them

>>715044634

>>715044693
You have to consume don't you understand

>>715040115
This is a fallacy. Not only does everything feel subtly smoother at higher refresh rates and lower latency, you'll also have an advantage no matter what since chopping a few ms off your reaction time will benefit you whether or not you have pro gamer reactions.
Any input lag is disastrous. F1 simulators have latency shaved down to as little as 3ms which is still too high.

>>715044634
you're getting less performance because of your os, anon.

4k is must have
after watching 4k porn i cant even get hard from 1080p videos anymore

>>715044784
>flushing money down the toilet

>>715044223
im the first anon you replied to and I haven't experienced any VRR flickering on my 48GQ900-B, ill boot up doom the dark ages for a few minutes and see if the dark spots in gameplay flicker at all

>>715044814
are you a world class league or CS player or something? no? okay then. you don't notice the difference

>>715044837
But I dont have a 4k OLED.

> Have a 27" 60Hz 4k screen for work and 27" 240Hz 1440p screen for games
> End up using the 4k screen for games anyway because TAA blur is fucking awful even at 1440p
I can see why one just wouldn't upgrade their screen - you just can't win no matter what.

>>715039654 (OP)
4K is useless if you sit right next to your monitor.

>>715043824
>just dlss resolution which in transformer mode you more likely than not cannot distinguish even in still frames
Unless they finally fixed the myriad of graphical glitches that DLSS had in that game you can absolutely tell that you're not running it in native.

1440p 27" is king, all the benefits of high PPI without going full retard on your performance.

1440 is where it's at. I imagine 4k is too big for sitting right next to it, but also the hardware requirements are too much at the moment.

>>715044310
Can it run cp2077 4k native? I only tried 2k, was getting around 90fps with max settings no rt

>>715042862
>I spend less*
* As long as you only play old single player games

>>715042359
Based Velvetoposter
Absolutely spot on; 4K gaming is absolutely not worth the price.

>>715044830
10 is better than 11, buy an ad pretpal

>>715044061
I don't understand. Is retro gaming not cool to you, you double nigger? Playing my old CRPG's on that monitor is cozy as fuck. Are you too much of a pleb to play SMAC?

>>715044879
I'm a 2400 faceit elo cs noob and my old 144hz TN felt smoother than my current 170hz IPS, probably going back to a 240hz+ TN for my next monitor

>>715045087
it's the opposite technically. If you're closer to the screen you benefit more from the higher resolution as it becomes easier to see the individual pixels. However you want to be at a certain distance in order to have your whole monitor in your fov and at those distances the details are usually lost. You can use the higher res as AA replacement but that's about it.

>>715044853
I accuse you of being a liar, because there isn't a screen without it. Most OLED owners won't own up to them turning off gsync or freesync. Or they notice the flicker but try to not let it bother them and just cope with whats happening at times. It's very telling when i could reproduce the issue on numerous different screens i tried upon refunding and sending back. LCDs for all of their flaws still guarantee a more stable experience.

>>715043002
Consoles are for people who want a plug and play experience. Usually just people who love games but don't care about technology itself.

>>715044879
yes i am a world class gamer, no im not going to risk my sponsor proving it

>>715039654 (OP)
I don't even want it even if I could afford it. It's just too much to be enjoyable.

>every pc game a shit console port or retro game that could run on a smart fridge

>>715045276
there is a reason why "esport" monitors still use TN but for anything else they are kinda bad.

>>715045367
>>715045276
well then TN is for you. but for 99.9% of players it its a gimmick to make them feel cool. its like buying a "pro-gaming" keyboard or some shit

>>715045482
>an objective performance factor
>a gimmick
m8

>>715045529
it does not improve your performance if you arent at the level where you can react to whats going on at those speeds. its the equivalent of buying a high tech pair of cleats and thinking you can play on the level of ronaldo. he'd beat you in slippers.

>>715045320
I just played it for about ten minutes and turned hdr on and even turned on the sloppa like framegen and couldn't see it in a darkened room

>>715039654 (OP)
honestly, I only got a 4k monitor so I could take advantage of my retrotink 4k for old games
ironic, I need a higher resolution to play low resolution games
apart from that, I could live my entire life with nothing more than 1080p

>>715043595
Asus ROG swift pro pg248qp costs around 1k, 4k monitors by Asus cost in range of 1-1.5k
But you cannot find an equivalent 4k monitor.
1080p monitor mogs the shit out of 4k and eve. 2k if we are honest.
It all depends on what you need from a monitor. If you want to watch movies and play sony games then 4k is good, if you are into competitive then 2k or 1080p is your best friend.

>>715045643
it gives the same boost to everyone, but it matters more at the top

>>715044630
No, you're retarded. The same kind of retard who will happily use side by side 1080p monitors and not see an issue.

4K is literally a psyop by Nvidia to sell cards

>>715045850
>Retard who counts pixels as a hobby on his 72" "monitor" thinks he has any standing to call others retarded
lmao ok

>>715045850
i have a side by side 4k 32inch and 1080p 360hz tn panel 24inch, the 4k is a discord/side stream/yt vid monitor

>>715045938
no, its a psyop by big panel manufactures like samsung

>>715045650
also trying it during cod, this is from the lobby (obviously it won't show up in the screenshot but im not taking a video of it from my phone kek) but im in a game now and not seeing it

>>715039654 (OP)
>buy fancy 4K monitor to play new AAA games that are all shit anyway
nah m8, i'm good

>>715039654 (OP)
What do I need 4k for? What I need is more frames, not a higher resolution

I unironically watch 4k movies on my computer sometimes when i dont feel like going down to my dads TV room

>>715045253
11 literally has a substantially better CPU scheduler that benefits both AMD and Intel.

>>715045650
If others report the issue with your monitor, then it's there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1hiuu7y/lg_ultragear_48gq900b_oled_flicker_fix_reasons/

A hell of a lot of coping in this post on the other hand, to be expected on the OLED subbreddit. Unfortunately RTINGs haven't went back and tested that one so I'm going off information i could scrape from the net of complaints about it. None of them are above flicker. None.

>>715043330
I wish we had more 20inch 1080p monitors

>>715045253
you're objectively wrong

>>715039654 (OP)
>7800x3d
>7900xtx
>32gb 6ghz CL30 ram
>2tb samsung 990 nvme ssd
>1 gbit internet connection
>open abyss+deli+beyonds map in Poo1
>30fps
>PSU screeching because corsair are faggots
I dont even know anymore

I have 1080p 240hz with 9070XT, i'm waiting 4k 240hz 1ms monitors to drop price

>>715046747
10 LTSC > your normgroid retardation

>>715039654 (OP)
the best hardware cant run modern games at 4k

Still sitting here with a glorious, 4:3 aspect monitor while the widescreenies seethe.

>>715046596
im not sure how im supposed to cause the flicker, this is in normal gameplay in a scene with lights and darker areas though

IT IS A FACT the human eye can't see more than 1080p, 60hz 800:1 and 80% srgb. Anyone saying otherwise is a coping consoomer trying to justify their waste of money.

>>715040718
High resolution, high framerate, and good pixel density. 1440p is really the best choice at the current level of technology. 4K won't be worth it until it can consistently achieve minimum 120 FPS on high settings.

If poorfags are truly the problem, then it is in your best interest to start increasing their wealth.
With this in mind, you will quickly adjust your previous conclusion.

>/v/ still pushing for pointless consoomerism
You can still enjoy everything at 1080p60, in fact being a graphics whore has only made my gaming experience worse because I now have to spend 10-20 minutes before every game setting up and turning off stuff instead of actually just playing. Also the push for bigger resolutions comes from TVs and not monitors, much less gaming monitors.

>>715047520
>Also the push for bigger resolutions comes from TVs and not monitors, much less gaming monitors.
>>715046043
>samsung

pretty much this

>>715047405
You can't even play at 1440p at 120fps on all but the most monstrous of gpus. We are not ready for 1440p yet.

>>715047052
>im not sure how im supposed to cause the flicker
Fluctuations is what causes it. Thats how you trigger it. I could trigger this to happen just from a millisecond fluctuations of 30-40 fps drop on all of the monitors i tested, so say i was using 240hz but then it went to 199 (i'm not being extremely precise with how numbers work for VRR so I'm giving a loose example) for a split second. It's very noticeable on darker greys or colors that just bring it out naturally.

>>715039654 (OP)
I have two 1080p monitors that still work perfectly fine, I'm not gonna just toss them for the 4k meme, I am used to this resolution and playing with 60+ fps without any fucking upscaling or framegen bullshit.

>>715041481
>I grew up poor and was unemployed for the entire duration of covid so yeah
lol that's literally nothing. I'm 31 and I have never had a job. Not even for one day.
I have also received a big fat $0 of socials because my country is a shithole

I think 1440p/144hz is the sweet spot and I played that way for years. I bought a second monitor this year, an ultrawide OLED at 3440×1440/165hz. I use that for gaming and my original monitor for everything else (trying to avoid burn in). OLED is a big jump in quality and ultrawide is cool when it's supported but requires occasional tinkering for some games.
4K is good for a TV, but even with my fairly high end machine (4080 Super and 7800x3D) the performance hit is too severe and the gains too small for it to be worth it.

>>715047779
enjoy your tiny monitors instead of just surrendering to a giat 4K HDR TV

>>715047052
He is retarded. This affects not only OLED but shitton of other monitors with gsync/freesync/another vertical synchronisation faggotry especially if it manipulates refresh rate. You get flickering when the system is unable to properly synchronise monitor refresh rate and incoming frames(think VERY unstable fps e.g. in a loading screen of old games where it jumps from 1 to 100s and back in a matter of few seconds). People attribute this to scenes he mentioned because this is where the 1%s usually happen and with shitty hardware(especially with bad CPU) your monitor will flicker there. But it will do so on pretty much every monitor with variable refresh rate

>>715045643
There's more to it than just "winning". When it comes to vidya, how it feels is more important than how it looks.
You're probably going to have more fun kicking balls wearing high tech cleats than you would running around trying to do it in slippers. There's no expectation of being better than Ronaldo. Maybe you just like kicking a ball around and want to feel good doing it.

Try listening to yourself with mic monitoring if it has delay, or playing electric guitar with a delay. It feels like complete shit, and you don't have to be Hendrix to notice. I don't get why gaming is somehow supposed to be different.

>>715047641
Forget the numbers i mentioned actually, because even from 240 to say 220 can cause a flicker. The biggest misnomer of why flickering is occurring isn't mentioned by anyone. It doesn't need to be a big number like that at all. It can actually be very small.

>>715047520
>Also the push for bigger resolutions comes from TVs and not monitors, much less gaming monitors.
/thread and TLDR just buy a big 4k HDR TV

144hz+ 1080p all u need

>>715039654 (OP)
I'm using 4k because I don't play modern slop
I'll give you some time to figure that one out

>>715045070
this might be the answer here

>>715047052
>>715047052
>>715048008
Say my framerate in a game is capped at 237 with a 240hz monitor (just to avoid hitting the threshold with gsync + vsync enabled) and my framerate is consistently at 237 but for a millisecond drops to 308 then THAT will flicker. That's the clearest i can make this issue out to you of what's happened every time i tested it on a monitor, certain games are better for testing it.

I just bought 1440p 27'' monitor.
Is it really that good? I'll swap my 1080p 24''.

>>715048454
millisecond drops to 208*
I wish i could edit posts sometimes. I just type out without checking typos.

>>715039654 (OP)
I have a 4k 144hz monitor and it's great, price was great too, the improved definition is worth it, the only real issue is that having a GPU to drive it sucks ass, the fact that an RTX 3070 still beats an RTX 5060 in many scenarios shows you how shit things are, 5 years difference and dropping down a whole step and you're worse off.

>>715043824
DLSS is very bad and on a CRT you can really tell
Motion is noticably very bad
Sadly even without DLSS in Cyberpunk you always have that smear AA so might aswell use DLSS there, but when you can disable TAA you always should

>>715039654 (OP)
I have a 4K monitor and my brother is getting an 8K for photography, but my 1440p display is superior in my opinion.
Literally you don’t need more pixels when framerate is king.
If you’re not doing production work, 1080p for gaming is nice, although I personally prefer 1440p.

>>715048760
is this guy really using CRT in an argument in 2025

>>715040253
/thread

>>715048760
I know you can mod TAA out, but is there any way to force other AA methods on it instead? I tried SSAA with amd overlay but that doesn’t seem to do anything

>>715048904
>turn VSR/DSR on in gpu control panel
>run game at 8k
>use fsr/dlss to get playable performance
>???
>enjoy greater than native image quality with the AA of 8k

>>715039654 (OP)
based poorfagchadGODS

>>715048813
Well he fucking should. Eventually, current display technology will be a thing of the past and we're going to have good motion clarity again. Just because your shitty monitor hides so much detail that all the nasty artifacts get smeared out doesn't mean they aren't there.

>>715042436
Because no computer CAN play modern games at 4k 120 because they're optimizer like dogshit, got an rtx 5080 and a 7950x and space marine 2,stalker and cyberpunk cannot run at 120fps 4k without dlss and fsr. I upgraded my computer specifically so I don't have to use the fucking slop systems in place and I have no plan to do so just to reduce the image quality to a smeary mess for some extra pixels

>>715049153
>no computer can
>my card is slower than last gen's flagship, so I know

>crtrannies oledilators and lcdemons whining at each other about gay shit no normal person cares about
find god, master fire

>>715048454
ignore the glare, its not normally viewable from my angle and I don't have it on when gaming
if I have to do garry's mode style "blow up 1000 flaming barrels" to get the flickering to happen im not bothering

>>715048760
>dlss is very bad and on a crt is bad
dlss is very good especially the transformer mode version, it being used as a crutch for shit devs doesn't make it suddenly a bad technology, that you're specifically mentioning that dlss smear from cyberpunk means you very likely last played it in 2020 because I remember that bug and it no longer exists for me in cyberpunk with dlss on

>>715049153
I think you are pretty much expected to use DLSS quality/ultra quality with all nvidia gpus now. Sadly amd is going the same way

There is literally no difference between 4k and 1080p

>>715049196
And you can look at footage of cyberpunk running at 40fps on cyberpunk on 4k with ray tracing maxed on a 5090. Why would I pay double the price for the same experience? I'd still need to use dlss or gaytracing anyway

>>715049280
even if you're poor, you can easily verify the difference yourself by dsring a game to 2160p on your 1080p screen

>>715049332
>no computer can run 4k 120
>so my evidence is this piss poor engine made by third worlders that was never designed to run well (because third world)
Need a bigger shovel?

>>715042828
This image would be funnier if it didn't point out it the obvious (cat)
Still saved though

>>715049278
Literally built my new computer to avoid this fucking cancer and if it means I use 1080p to get 120 fps, sometimes UE5 is so bad it's necessary for even 60fps without dlss or ray tracing, then the industry itself is not ready to transition to 4k. the issue isn't the end user, it's the developer

I think dlss good
I think dlss transformer mode very good and basically indistinguishable from native outside of retard devs who break it somehow

I think $1000 + video cards should run games on max settings WITHOUT dlss at 120fps 4k

>>715049353
>what if I enable 2x SSAA that will fix most of the TAA smearing shit(unavailable from settings)??? The game looks le better??

>>715049424
if you're going to run ricer hardware you should be willing to tune the software
if you're running games stock you get what you deserve, study up on different post process and engine tweaking methods, every single game can be made to run better, typically while looking better, with some fine tuning, and that's required now for power users

>>715039654 (OP)
Imagine blowing $3,000 for a top of the line GPU to play in 4K and you can't even hit 60fps in most games. I'll stick with my $250 6700XT and my 1080p 120fps thank you very much.

>>715049498
i agree with this anon

>>715039654 (OP)
>save on monitors
>save on graphics cards since I get stable 60 fps in lower resolutions
>save in games since they are always on discount and oldies don't benefit from the new big resolution fads anyway
>save in new games since my nephew knows some CODEX guy who sends him and me free games
We oldfags just keep winning BAYBEE

>>715049384
Modern AAA games are not being optimizer for hardware that's currently available, they're being made to use dlss and fsr hence why a disgusting majority of people use them with around 80% of users turning on dlss so why would devs optimizer for a native experience. Yes I could easily play every game at 4k 120 if I stick on dlss but at that point I've reduced the image quality so poorly I may as well have stuck to a 3070

ITT this is fine for anons.

>>715049247
DLSS is not "bad"
But TAA is bad, and DLSS always needs TAA
If you have a shitty monitor like an LCD or even OLED without any motion enhancing features, sure it is good enough
but any display with decent motion and you will notice how much TAA sucks

>>715039654 (OP)
I want 2560x1080 to become popular, instead of 3440x1440.
It requires lesser gpu than 2560x1440, it gives you hor+ without fisheye like when you increase fov. First person games, especially games like ETS2 plays absolutely fucking great. No shitty VA scam displays, due to VA having awful angles.

>>715049591
>save on monitors
Post your setup
>save on GPU
idk
more performance is nice, but I dont see myself upgrading untill the jump in performance is bigger
certainly never upgrading monitor untill forced to by the all erasing passage of time that will eventually render it functionless

>>715049674
>, and DLSS always needs TAA
DLSS is literally the alternative to TAA

>>715049520
ssaa won't fix taa smear, higher framerate wouls help
taa's real cancer is you force it off, then ssaa so you have beautiful crisp edges and then every shadow, light source and reflection is insanely noisy because they were built around taa
worst shit

>>715049605
>just makes shit up
>hyperbole
At least know what you're talking about.

>>715049529
Doesn't that seem like a problem to you? That's what I mean when I say the industry itself isn't ready for 4k. Why should the end user have to go and spend an hour tweaking config files to unfuck the developers stupidity? Why does every game nowadays launch day 1 with 100 config tweak mods? I'd rather stick to 1080 and get a flawless experience rather than have to fuck with all that nonsense. Used to be a passion of mine but between work and life I just don't care to waste all that time anymore

Idiots unironically fell for the 200hz meme. Anything past 60 is a joke.

>>715049529
The 80% dlss usage statistic is directly quoted from nvidia numbnuts.

>>715049827
ikr

>>715049831
Oh that sounds fine then.

>>715049674
anon, dlss literally disables TAA in games where TAA is forcibly enabled
that you're shitting on DLSS as a form of TAA makes me think you haven't even tried DLSS transformer mode, which makes the game look basically like native

the bottom frame here is rotating my camera at max mouse sensitivity and everything still has perfect clarity, dlss is just as good as native in games where devs aren't lazy retards

>>715049763
deep tweaking yea users shouldn't have to, but you do, same as OS tweaking, if you're a power user it's part of the territory
but my real point is games have always and will always feature overtuned defaults for max settings, where there are settings with no visual difference that double or triple compute, and if you're turning those on and playing without even a cursory test of if they make a difference you get what you deserve
it's like pushing the pedal down in your car until you slam in to a wall and die, you did that, not ford

1440p 165hz ips is my sweet spot

>>715049887
No way to refute that adoption figure then?

>>715049384
Go on, name an engine used for AAAs that doesnt shit itself in 4k even with best hardware available.
>UE5
Doesn’t need a fucking introduction
>Unity
Tarkov and Skylines work really fucking well, yeah lmao
>REDengine
muh not designed to work well
>source 2
1 game
>cryengine
Zero games

>>715049924
nta but I can see literally every individual brick on that building and every corner with perfect clarity while the top (I assume fxaa or taa) looks awful as shit

you've sold me on DLSS anon, jesus christ

4k is a meme, ultrawide 1440p is all you need.

>>715050061
>not 5k2k
you got meme'd alright

>>715049924
>i played on game so they all work this way
they're separate toggles in every nuge i've played, so you're tarded
it's also not a plug-in post process it's extremely game specific, so even if you love dlss you must be aware it's inherently going to be different in every single game just due to raw gen time
a lot of aa games will not get the same resources devoted to it

>>715049738
>>715049924
I see DLSS has improved quite a bit
Might be time to give it another chance

Never understood this 4k or 1080p crap or anything for that matter since I have picrel and been using it for years with zero issues alongside some acer basic led 24" display and I sincerely don't know where to start once this monitor stops working. This "crappy" gpu can handle 1080p? Refresh rate? Dafuq is that?Which monitor do I pick? I always see threads here popping from time to time and theres zero concensus whatsoever.

>>715050107
That's silly, the human eye can't see that wide.

>>715050163
They claim it's perfect and better than native now every update. It's never true.

>>715050219
Lamp posts must be your mortal enemy.

>>715050023
cryengine kcd literally doesn't shit itself in 4k though, it even natively supports separate world render res i.e.native true supersample without any ui fuckups

>>715039654 (OP)
get a job you bums and stop coping. my condolences if you are a smelly thirdie

>>715050261
it's the best AA solution these days.
it's not perfect though, its simply the best of the options we have right now

>>715050261
It is a moving target just for memes.
DLSS 2.4 was omg better than native. Problem is now the likes of xess and fsr have surpassed dlss 2.4 that level of image quality is now deemed unusable trash and completely retarded. However trust me the current version is better than native, for real this time.

>>715050306
I WANNA GO BACK TO MSAA

>>715050292
consuuuuuuuuuume

>>715047274
Based Tresspasser connoisseur. Boooobaaaaa

>>715050386

>>715045361
>people who love games but don't care about technology itself.
I'm one of those people, but I still prefer PC because of mods and because it supports games that wouldn't work on consoles, like old-school space sims. It is a pain in the ass when I have to upgrade or something breaks, though, since I don't know shit about the tech.

>>715050417

cause 4k is a marketing meme not worth the money with all the games needing upscaling - so they result looking muddy and artifacted no better than native 1080

if you could run all games 4k native on an average GPU like 4070 - then it would've been another story

>>715050292
I'm not upgrading until I can play the latest games at 4K 120fps 144htz without having to use dlss.
Man I need to rewatch Lebowski sometime.

>>715050543
>120fps 144hz
cursed post, delet

>>715043036
>a proper samsung panel
my $1k samsung TV has integrated ads (coming from the TV and not the transmission) so yeah I am never buying from them again

Given all 4k screens cost AT MINIMUM 1000 shekels no, it can gtfo.

>>715050669
>cursed post, delet
Too late.

>>715050678
The ads are not intrusive at all. Although just speaking strictly out of principle, it does disgust me.

>>715050678
>my $1k samsung TV has integrated ads (coming from the TV and not the transmission)
Smart TVs are the biggest fucking crock of shit and I hope whoever made them earns themselves a miserable and slow death.

Just dropped $1200 on a 32in 4K 240hz OLED. You jelly?

>>715050678
we need to target tv manufacturers next after we own game publishers in EU court. they have been allowed to get away with a lot of anti consumer shit. if you pay 2000 for a tv you shouldn't be forced to watch ads

>>715050678
>>715050791
>not intrusive at all
they fucking block the tv show I'm watching to display their fucking ad, making you miss whatever was on tv.

>>715050990
Doesn't happen on my Samsung. The ads are only on the home screen.

>>715042863
4K is very good for cooming

4k sucks man

screens are getting bigger and more people replace their tiny monitors for ants with actual big kino screens to play vidya so we absolutely need at least a 6k resolution because pc gamers aren't console sofa jockey playing fifa from 10 feet away. i need to be able to read small text and have a sharp image from 2ft away on my 65 screen and unfortunately 4k just doesn't cut it. i know this is hard to comprehend for some but it's the reality and that's where the industry is heading

>>715039654 (OP)
>Poorfags are holding gaming back.
more like shitty devs who can't optimize.
try to run mh wilds at 4k without dlss or fg, and i'll be surprised if you get more than 20 fps on any gpu

Reading about all this nonsense makes me glad.I stick to old games.

>>715039654 (OP)
Normal
1080p > the rest

C'mon /v/ gimme 5 budget 1080p monitors asap, any brand

Reading about all this nonsense makes me glad I stick to old games.

>>715051662
Take your pick. When it comes to budget crap, anything is good enough. I'm surprised even $60 monitors are more than 60hz now.

>>715047870
how do you change monitors easilly?

>>715051843
>G. Racias

What's the bare minimum in terms of gpu I need to enjoy one of these bad boys?

>>715039654 (OP)
i like 1080p
used 1440p, 2k, 4k
still buying 1080p monitors because you dont need more ESPECIALLY for gaming

>>715052075
A GTX 1060 6GB or better is enough to run any game at 1080p except for the few games that require RTX, in which case, a 3060 12GB will be good enough for a very long time thanks to DLSS.

>>715052164
>dlss

In a game of pretend a frame can be anything!

>>715052626
dlss is upscaling you retard

"Actually you can't even see any difference from 4K" is the funniest cope

>>715052812
Nice marketing image but viewing distance is also important.

>>715053478
we are talking about PC gaming, we all have the monitor about the same distance from us
"human eyes cannot see beyond x ppi" is in the realm of "human eye cannot see beyond 30/60 fps"

>>715052812
>look at how this pixel density looks from your ??? pixel density monitor
>seee how nice this 166ppi looks on your 90ppi?! THAT MEANS YOU SHOULD GET A 4K MONITOR!
>b-but wait a minute how can I see higher pixel density on my monitor than it has?
>DONT ASK QUESTIONS CONSUME!!!!!

>UP NEXT LOOK AT THIS IMAGES OF OLED MONITORS ON YOUR NORMAL MONITOR! LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER THESE BLACKS ON OLEDS LOOK THAN ON A NORMAL MONITOR! *while viewed on a normal monitor*

>>715053625
are you fucking retarded

>>715053735
no, but you clearly think people are to fall for marketing tricks.

>>715051110
Mine stole money out of my wallet and beat up my son.

>2025
>anon can't decide what is best and why
>testers all hidden in fear
>no more good multiplayer games online
>slim crt tech forbidden
>drm lag (not real trust us goy)

I desire inexistence

>>715053861
This but my Samsung Galaxy Ultra 5 FOLD(TM) raped me and stole all my BTC

how are there three of these

Expecting everyone to buy a flagship gpu just to run games well is absurd.
GPUs are better served in speculation markets like shitcoin and dalle bullshit than on us peasants according to their manufacturers.
Is it any wonder that upgrading your monitor doesn't seem necessary when AAA bloat games barely run at 1080p to begin with?

>>715054391
people love to post about it

>>715039919
Real question here. The retard in the lower right corner of that webm. Who is he and what is he reacting to?

>>715054750
some basedboy reacting to the last star wars movie trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ug2DOoxJ1g

>>715039654 (OP)
nah. I'll take real 1080p and real 120 fps instead of your fake shit.

>>715039654 (OP)
hear me out, 4k monitor to run 1080p windowed

>>715054391
poorfag cope

I will never leave 1080p

>>715049638
careful or idiocracy tier retards who don't understand what pixel response time is will seethe at you for posting "le red bad" psyop chart

>>715043330
Nah I use a 15 inch portable monitor, because it lets me play video games in bed.
It's max comfy.

>>715053812
>having games look better is a marketing trick
no. it makes games look better. Have you never seen 4k?

>>715050357
You have to support him, then. It's unironically the only way things will possibly change.

>>715056086
>how is making a fake doctored image marketing?!
god you dishonest shills.

>>715053735
Yes, he is. I'm so fucking sick of midwits.

>>715055883
uh-oh spagehtti-o!

>>715039654 (OP)
Forget gaming, I think 4k is miles better for general pc use. If I have to switch to 1080p for whatever reason (some games are apparently incapable of a versatile full screen), it feels like I'm back on 640 x 480, especially with browsers.

>>715056254
>AMD Unboxed bashes the Nvidia-powered console
Good job.

>>715056254
the small independent companies nintendo and valve have to save as much money as they can, you understand. $5 extra on a screen with post-2005 LCD response time is just too much to ask. Shill.

>>715039654 (OP)
>1080p
>100+ silky smooth fps
>144 hz
>max graphics
>comfortable temps
>low noise level
Yeah it's gaming time

>Want to get 34 inch 2560x1080
>Only 100hz LG, no 120 or 144 option
Should I get it?

>>715056453
>misses the steam deck oled in the pic

>>715056308
>I think 4k is miles better for general pc use.
I would have to increase all the fontsize to still see a damn thing. It's already borderline on 1440p to press ctrl++ once.

>>715039654 (OP)
Resolution above 1080p is mostly irrelevant. If the game is bad, more pixels aren't going to improve my experience.

>>715056612
>woah woah woah, settle down there lil guy. We can't give the LCD deck reasonable response times, that would eat into the OLED sales!

>>715056456
I wanna play 1080p sitting on the couch, no tvs 'cause I don't watch them. Probably like 3ft away from the monitor. What do I need? Something beastly like a 55-inch?

>>715056818
55" will be the biggest desktop monitor you're getting. TVs are the only thing currently going larger.

>1440p 360hz OLED for fast paced and/or dark games
>1440p 180hz 1300 nit VA mini-LED for HDR media and bright games
Yeah, I'm thinking it's gaming time.

>>715039654 (OP)
>You must CONSOOOOOOM
No

>>715056882
>VA
STAY AWAY FROM VA FOR GAMING! DO NOT FALL FOR IT! DO NOOOOOOT FALLL FOR IT!

consumerism is slavery perfected

>>715045803
>1080p
Ps3 was 720p, huh? Is 8k better or worse than 2or 4 k respectively?

>>715048483
Eurabs?

Isn't the difference between 2k and 4k negligible on a Desktop? Or was it 4k to 8k where people failed to make out the difference in blind tests?

>>715039654 (OP)
All the Chads know 1440p is the best balance of performance and image quality.

>>715056964
It's 2025, grandpa. VAs are good now. Show me the black smear.

>PC gamers are rejecting our retarded gimmicks
maybe Nintendo can sell 4k bullshit to their fans.

Why is it always the people who can't afford "thing" telling the people who can afford it that they shouldn't buy it?

>>715057090
Did you read my post or are you just a braindead moron?

>>715057414
its right there

>>715039654 (OP)

>>715057210
everyone sits close enough to their PC monitor to see the difference

>>715057550
It's never that. It never was that. This is just a cope.

>>715057594
Cope and seethe. You lost, IPS tranny. VA is only going to continue getting better, leaving dogshit glowy, cloudy, bleedy (just like your axe wound) IPS trash in the dustbin forever.

>>715039654 (OP)
Even if I ever upgrade, it's not going to be to 4k. The returns are pretty fucking diminishing for a screen that rarely exceeds 27 inches. Even on the higher end, you probably don't need more than 1440p. And if you have a screen big enough to justify 4k, you probably aren't using it for PC gaming.

>>715057745
sorry chump, im team oled

>>715057414
all over the place, but the black smear is on the ufo legs primarily and the black outline of the spaceship.
Heres how a TN monitor looks like for reference.(with black flame insertion) a cheap one at that.
Now compare your shitty smeary image to mine.
Outside of a little overshoot the image is amazingly crisp. While yours is a shitty smuge, not even a uniform smudge, where blacks smear much more than anything else so it disproportionately stands out.

>>715057594
don't bother it's either a VA shill who only cares about pushing product.
Or it's a genuine retard that has no idea what options exist out there so you give him slop, and they eat it up, you tell him the slop is premium quality and they will be proud to eat smeary slop.

>>715057683
>I can afford it. You're just coping
how?

is it true BFI kills your brain and eyes and gives you autism?

>>715057951
>Thing good because a bigger number
This is you. You don't understand why people use monitors instead of TVs. 4K monitor is like buying a tv, it brings no advantages.

>>715039654 (OP)
You already posted this rage bait 4x Mr russian shill. You supposed to post about the jews cutting off china's oil daddy Sergay not rage posting on /v/.

>>715058056
>4K monitor is like buying a tv, it brings no advantages.
1080p monitor is like buying a tv, it brings no advantages. Just stick to 800x600.

>>715058163
So you are ignorant. You are trying to play gotcha but you don't understand the underlying points being made. Why do you put yourself in a conversation that you don't understand?

>>715058238
I will never respect your dogshit point of view

All I know is i've never been so immersed when shooting rural burgers than when I got a 4k screen.

>>715058290
And that point of view is?

>>715057906
>a small amount of nebulous ghosting is unacceptable, but defined afterimages and flickering is le good actually!
lol. This is what ACTUAL black smear looks like. Trust me, I've owned dozens of IPS monitors. This VA comes close to the fastest of them, and has zero backlight bleed or glow.

>>715058432
That usage somehow limits quality

>>715042203
That's because you're blind.
You're the equivalent of retards that bought HDTV's to display their 240p tv channels.

>>715058542
Fuck you are stupid. You are literally the dumbest person here.

>>715057887
Sure you are.

>>715058056
>can't afford must seethe
this is you.
You don't understand that I have eyes. I can see the huge improvement it makes to the image in my games. The price increase over 1080p is worth it. I can afford it.

>>715058530
>>a small amount of nebulous ghosting is unacceptable, but defined afterimages and flickering is le good actually!
The inverse ghosting is a downside, as I said, but you get a super crisp image in literally every other part of the image. Just compare how fucking sharp everything looks to your smeary shit.
Besides it's a cheap TN, like 200$ or some shit.
TN also has some other downsides, like bad viewing angle where you can't slouch in your chair and need to sit up straight for best colors.
>This is what ACTUAL black smear looks like
you are a gigga nigger that compares worst of VA to the best of VA?
How about you stop coping and be honest with yourself and others and compare all the monitor technologies and see how they stack up.
VA is not fit for gaming, it's only good for slow movie shit or watching pictures.
Even in browsing it struggles with text.
> Trust me, I've owned dozens of IPS monitors.
>This VA comes close to the fastest of them, and has zero backlight bleed or glow.
does this cope even work on yourself? Or are you desperate to keep buyers remorse at bay by downplaying your foolish decision

Notice when it comes to monitor resolution, everyone on /v/ turns into a compfag. They swear their 480p CRTs are making them millions at tournaments.

>>715058684
That looks awfully washed out for that specific scene.

>jpg
oh nevermind.

>>715047634
You're right, but some people can afford those monster GPU's.
It's very likely they are the ones that are indeed using 1440p because 4k is retarded and 1080 is overkill.

>>715058875
1080p costs 1k
What price increases?
Your opinion is dog shit because you don't understand the nuance that is PC monitors. This isn't like buying a TV it's far, far more complicated on this side of the pond.

>>715058981
But those who can afford them are goys. You're not a goy, are you? I'm one of the chosen people.

>>715058981
People with monster gpus still play at 1080p but with path tracing on. Nobody plays at 1440p and the steam data backs it up.

>>715059029
I have 2x 4k monitors , each attached to a rtx5090.
Tell me more how it's like buying a TV, poorfag

>>715059090
Show your setup.
I'll wait.
Don't forget the timestamp.

>>715059138
>I don't believe anyone can buy a gpu and monitor
ha ha

>>715039654 (OP)
Fucking government steals my salary so i cant afford good monitor despite of having decent paid job

My new build has the GPU dominating the CPU, so I chose 1440p gaming because 1080p gaming heavily biases towards CPU use.

Now I can actually take advantage of my RTX 5070.

jews are not entitled to my money and labor
not sorry
cope and sneed

>>715059195
You are the one who brought up your setup. Show it, go in.

>>715059306

>>715059415
>only one screen
Concession accepted.

>>715058883
My previous monitor was a 240hz TN. I know what it looks like. BFI is flickery dogshit, TN is a meme tech with horrific colors and vertical gamma shift.
>muh buyers remorse
top fucking kek, it's a $250 monitor. I have it sitting right next to a $700 OLED, and it's powered by a $2000+ PC. Dumb fucking gook.

>>715059461

>>715059415
>One GPU
>One screen
Buddy you fucked up

1080p and 60 fps is good enough.

>>715059561
can't post 2 images on a post retard

>>715049827
Me too that only benefit i got from 144hz was smoother cursor

LCD will never reach the clarity for crt so what's the point of paying extra

4k and 1440p is a meme. Everything you watch on your monitor aside from your upscaled poop vidya will have under 80 ppi. You guys fell for a scam. Also, mechanical keyboards make you gay too.

>>715059608
Why did you post it at all? Why didn't you make a proper image?
Wtf is wrong with you. As I said, retard.

>>715049827
if you can't see the fluidity of high refresh rate your brain is fucked

>>715059801

>>715039654 (OP)
More like jewvidia is holding gaming back by making higher resolution capable cards constantly cost an arm and a leg

>>715059892
Now hold on. In the first picture you had 4 memory sticks, in the second you have 2 and now you have 2.
Explain.

>>715059990
>I have 2x 4k monitors, each attached to a 5090.
>he thinks I have 2x 5090s in the same PC
are you really this retarded?

>>715060031
Why? You really aren't beating the allegations

>>715059715
t. poorfag coping

>>715060083
Why what? Why do I have 2? Because I can. Why do you have none?

>>715060132
>Because I can
allegations keep on sticking. You can't make this man not dig his own grave

>>715060247
>you don't own it you don't
>oh ok you do.
yes. so getting back to you explaining about monitors. Please carry on

>>715060343
I never said you don't own it. You started flexing your build so I made you work for my trust.
If you didn't say
>I have
And said something else I wouldn't care.
I still don't get your point and you have shown to be a ducking moron. So everything you say is moot as it's clear that simplest of concepts need to be spoonfed to you.

>>715060527
>I just don't care
You cared enough 5 minutes ago when you were trying to explain to me how TVs and monitors are.
Silly poorfag has realised his place in the world

>>715059715
>4k and 1440p is a meme
not if you use your monitor for anything else, but for gaming it's true. Same for tv honestly, almost nobody watches native 4k content

>>715060690
>almost nobody watches native 4k content
lol

>>715059468
>My previous monitor was a 240hz TN. I know what it looks like. BFI is flickery dogshit,
way to give away you have no idea what you are talking about lol
> TN is a meme tech with horrific colors and vertical gamma shift.
Yeah TN colors and viewing angles aren't it's strong suit.
Just like VAs smear like shit and its inherit to VA tech. But retards like you will lie about it.
> I have it sitting right next to a $700 OLED, and it's powered by a $2000+ PC. Dumb fucking gook.
Sarr you forgot to mention how expensive your house and car is.
Why it is always poor indians that are so impressed with spending money on consumer products.

>>715060690

>>715060602
My point still stands. You just don't understand it.
>Don't care
You don't know how to read, do you?

>>715039654 (OP)
People who play competitive games are going to buy 1080p monitors with high refresh rates regardless of their GPUs to get the highest possible frames.

>>715060828
>now that you proved I'm wrong I just don't care, ok!!!
lol what a faggot

>>715039654 (OP)
Have 4K OLED TV
Have 3440x1440 IPS Ultrawide
Have 1080p Side Screen.

It was barely an upgrade.1440p or 4k it's a meme compared to HDR and refresh rate.

>Poorfags are holding gaming back
Why do you continue to insist on more realistic graphics again?

>>715060928
Care to show where I said I don't care?
Care to show where you proved me wrong?
The retard allegations are really piling on.

>>715061020
>still a faggot
faggot

>>715061049
Your concession is greatly appreciated

>>715061148
>still being a fucking huge faggot

>>715060820
>youtube
trailers aside what's the point? Better seeing the nose hairs on some ugly soillennial? Like if youtube autoselects for the highest resolution I don't change it, but it makes no practical difference

>>715061184
Why are you malding?
You we're shown to be a retard. Live with it.

>>715039750
FPBP
>>715060935
Peak reddit tranny core

>>715061325
>can't 4k
>can't 5090
>y-you're malding
lol why are you such a pathetic faggot?

>>715039654 (OP)
op is that fag from df that keeps crying about pc gamers holding back industry progress.

>>715060793
just admit you lost, TN tranny. You can say it. VA is impressive now. I hated it too, before, but now there are good ones. Kneel.

>>715061804
>rajesh is in full mental denial
sad to see

>>715041853
>120 fps in a short underground tunnel.
ok. next time post 240 fps while staring at the wall.

>>715060690
>Anti-aliasing is a meme

>>715061440
>I can afford garbage
Congratulations

>>715049827
>past 60
Past 90*
I run an experiment with people at work and see when they can't tell the difference anymore. The fall off point is almost universally 85-90 fps. 100hz should be standard for all monitors, 60 is inexcusable at this point and 144 is a huge meme

>>715061936
>pulls out the streetshitter cope
gg. enjoy your 500:1 contrast ratio, TNranny

>>715062546
I have multiple monitors with different technology.
If I never fell for the VA meme I wouldn't be complaining here in the first place about how shit VAs are.

>>715055976
Holy fucking based. But where do you put your monitor? On your chest?

>>715039654 (OP)
1440p is the most you'll ever need

Good, I wont have to replace my prebuilt CPU or GPU for quite awhile (i5 13400F), because I generally don't play modern AAA. Thankfully my CPU isn't affected by recent Intel failures. 3060 12GB chads, how do we feel about holding back the industry? I feel great.

>>715039654 (OP)
I prefer an OLED 1080p rather than a 4k monitor who is going to tank my performance for an overall tiny visual upgrade.

>>715059415
>livemixer
It's nice, isn't it?

>>715039654 (OP)
>Spend 2 grand on 4k card
>Play at 1440p with DLSS otherwise 30 fps