Thread 715058151

>hear it's one of the best indie games ever with one of the best soundtracks ever
>play it
>both meh and not notable

What was that all about

well you see anon, human beings are different and have different tastes and preferences and like various different things which you may not
hope that helps, welcome to the world, go change diapey now

It was a friend simulator for neglected autistic kids whose only experience with games and game music up until that point was Call of Duty and smartphone games, you have to view it from that lens and then it makes sense

>>715058643
Neglected autistic kids who had only played Call of Duty and smartphone games weren't the ones giving this game nothing but 10/10 review scores, you dumb faggot.

>>715059779
True, that was the people who were giving Depression Quest 10/10 review scores

the ost utilizes just enough theory to impress autists and faggots
it's a good ost but impressive? no

wait why is toriel in this game?

>>715058643
The people who had played the most games and had become jaded loved Undertale.

>>715058643
>kids whose only experience with games and game music up until that point was Call of Duty

Call of Duty at that time had great music though.

>>715061281
Like I said, the only people who could find UT's OST impressive are the sort of people who have so little experience with game music they'd think COD had great music

>>715061281
>Call of Duty at that time had great music though
I played every CoD up to BO1 back in the day and I can't remember a single track from any of the games, I can only vaguely recall the music from Catalina mission in WaW.

This is the thread now, apparently

Well there is a [hyperlinked blocked] here

>>715064283
>Noelle dooms the world by installing too many mods

>>715058151 (OP)
The cute humans captured the hearts of all gamers, obviously.

You are about to see >>715058643 in action in this very thread

>>715064614
>noooo this was supposed to be the thread where we shit on this game!

>>715064674
>posts an image only a neglected autistic kid who thought the fictional game characters were his friends would save
Like clockwork

>>715064674
Is the one on the left some kinda OC?

>>715064845
That's supposed to be Toriel, I think.

>>715064614
>you are about to witness something horrible, abominable, unnatural
>you will see people
>discussing video game
>on /v/

>>715065016
Discussing which anthropomorphic animal you want to fuck != discussing a game

This sort of thing used to be bannable on /v/

b4 i start playing for the first time, is there a confirmed "canon" ending I should be aiming for? I like to get them first playthrough.

>>715065258
All endings are canon, the best experience is to fuck around and do what you want instead of relying on guides.

>>715065258
Just don't kill anyone if you want the "true" ending.

>>715058151 (OP)
you let yourself get hyped, dumbass
nothing will ever live up to the hype

>>715065258
You are better off playing blind if you know nothing about the game, but if you really want to know - just don't kill anyone, you will only need FIGHT button in one fight and you will be told in no uncertain terms when this is the case

>>715058151 (OP)
It’s both meh and the best indie game of all time. The truth is that the bar for indie games is still incredibly low. No one I. The indie space is even trying. Everyone is still making shallow arcade games or 3d mascot platformers. So Toby is the only one even trying to make games with memorable characters and story.

>>715065258
Just don't worry too much about that.

>>715065529
No one in the indie space*

>>715065258
The right way to play is do it at your rythm, doing what you prefer, this will give the right experience maybe avoid killing everyone until you have made a bit more experience

>>715058643
My first console is an NES and I had a fantastic time with Undertale. You're just autistic.

>>715065104
try not to cry too hard xixter

>>715065104
>Discussing which anthropomorphic animal you want to fuck != discussing a game
This is pretty much what every game discussion on /v/ looks like (replace "anthropomorphic animal" with "underage girl" if necessary).

>>715058151 (OP)
It's the "meme VN" of indie video games so of course it became popular.

>>715065529
You haven't played enough indies.
>but
Play more.
>but they're
All somehow 8 bit platformers about depression, I know, stop memeing and actually play the thing you're spewing an opinion on.

>>715058643
>autistic kids

>>715065104
We only discuss which human girl we want to fuck, THOUGH.

>>715066324
Had to google this shit
>Tiger tail is most popular in Canada, particularly in southern Ontario and Atlantic Canada, and not often found elsewhere in the world
Canadian = opinion invalidated

>>715066324
Yeah UT fans get really mad when you tell them you don't think UT is the best game of all time

>>715065353
>>715065369
>>715065486
>>715065532
>>715065624
I mostly play as a pacifist cuck in these sorts of games anyway but nice to know

>>715058151 (OP)
For me it's the core music track and waterfall

>>715066473
I haven't seen that, I've seen a lot of people mad when I call it enjoyable though.

>>715066473
What character are you larping as right now when you and i both know you would never talk to someone like that irl lil bro

>>715066473
>no u
Let's not forget that it was you who got preemptively mad about possibility of someone having a positive opinion about UT in this thread >>715064614

>>715066473
Quake is better.

>>715058264
fpbp

>>715058643
spap

>>715066589
Well, you're gonna have a good time then.
>Friendly RPG where no one has to die

>>715066595
>>715066598
>>715066623
>immediately got mad because I alluded to the existence of people who don't think UT is the best game of all time

>>715066732
No one in this thread said that UT is the best game of all time. Stop strawmaning.

>>715058643
We have gacha for that. Undertale is mostly for Tumblr kids who find Touhou too right wing, don't know about Puyo Puyo, and realize that simping over Nintendo games is too much of an millennial thing.

UT is the best game of all time

>>715066851
>who find Touhou too right wing
well not voting for a pedophile is probably a good thing

>>715066473
Deltarune fans are the ones who get mad when you say Undertale is better still.

>>715066995
It is better though.

>>715066995
Explain how. Ideally without the assumption that Undertale is somehow more "pure" for being made first.

>>715066920
Yes, but it's hard to ignore the fact that most of the main characters in Touhou are complicit in mass murder and keeping thousands of people in a massive concentration camp against their will.

>>715058151 (OP)
Youtubers. Some of whom got death threats for playing the game "wrong".

>>715066070
>It's the "meme VN" of indie video games
Then maybe all of those people can play an actually good VN next time when they collectively decide to make one of these games the new big thing?

>>715067374
Should've played it right then. You kill white frog, I kill your dog.

>>715067280
>>715067329
Better pacing, more interesting world, better cast of characters to this point. Main bosses are better, more replayability, etc.

>>715066851
I like Undertale and Touhou. I enjoy Puyo but I haven't played a ton, mostly PPT.
I just like settings like this.

>>715067374
I will never understand that mindset. If I watch a lets play/walkthrough because I want to see somebody play it, I want to see them actually play it.

>>715064614
>>715066732

>>715067560
I like settings like that as well even Gensokyo despite everything, but it's easy to see why out of all of them it's Undertale that became popular with that specific crowd.

>>715067439
That takes effort so they won't

I want to fuck the shit out of that goat, man

>>715067465
>better pacing
You probably just aren't a fan of the episodic format.
>more interesting world
They're about the same level of interest, in my opinion. If not a bit more with Deltarune.
>better cast of characters to this point
You're not one of those people who insists that all the Deltarune specific characters suck aren't you? It'd suck if your opinion was just worthless like that.
>Main bosses are better
You're really going to have to explain this one. Deltarune has improved the gameplay and design so radically I can barely imagine going back.

>>715066208
I played more than you, ironically you are still spewing the meme that "it's indie therefore it's inherently good" because you still buy into "indie vs. AAA paradigm." You would not be buying into that shit unless indie was still relatively new to you.

I will help kris during the tumultuous years of teen pregnancy

>>715065529
This. People like memorable characters and stories. There's hardly anything in the indiestry doing that. The current indie zeitgeist is to create shallow Pizza Tower games or Balatro card games.

>>715067817
>They're about the same level of interest, in my opinion. If not a bit more with Deltarune.
The underground, having two different races, all that lore about magic, that is way more interesting than just a small town with the occasional Dark World, especially when they're just illusions anyways.
>You're not one of those people who insists that all the Deltarune specific characters suck aren't you? It'd suck if your opinion was just worthless like that.
No. This is another thing, Deltarune fans are really defensive.
>You're really going to have to explain this one. Deltarune has improved the gameplay and design so radically I can barely imagine going back.
I prefer each boss using a SOUL mode rather than a minigame fest like Queen and Tenna's fight.

>>715067968
Deers are only pregnant for a half year.

Meanwhile, Sussie lays eggs.

>>715067465
Counterpoint - no Susie

>>715067661
Now you've said something actually sensible. Yes, of course, I see why it's popular with the demographic you mention. I don't see why liking it has to put you in that demographic.
>spoiler
I feel like I've seen people mention how horrific gensokyo really is a lot more lately, did the latest game reveal something that's making a lot of people realize or something? I haven't been able to work up the will to play since wbawc's gameplay was such a fucking snoozefest.

>>715067770
I want to fuck the shit out of her adopted kids.

>>715068061
Good. Hideous character design.

>>715067849
Anon I have played PLENTY of shit indies, if you think none of them are trying just because the first 5 you were linked by retards trying to confirm your bias weren't you're an idiot.

>>715068037
NTA but:

>Underground
Cool element. No disagreement there.

>Having two different races
Still a thing.

>All that lore about magic
Eh, don't really care. Never found the magic all that interesting.

>I prefer each boss using a SOUL mode rather than a minigame fest like Queen and Tenna's fight.
Only the last part of Queen is a minigame.

>>715068061
I actually really like Susie, lol. I think the party system is one of the things Deltarune is better than Undertale.

>>715068173
>Still a thing
Except it barely matters in Deltarune. It's just window dressing because Undertale had it.

>>715068118
Look at this monstrosity.

>>715067465
>Main bosses are better
i disagree heavily

>>715068050
I will give noelle vanilla ice cream and water bottles
having a baby WILL make her stronger

>>715068070
I mean, I don't visit Tumblr so I am kind of taking the piss. I know plenty of older people that like Undertale, and it's easy to see why, as well as younger kids. Still, I do think at least when it comes to the more dedicated fandom a lot of that is very much in that sphere.

That might have all been me, frankly. Revisiting Deltarune has kind of put me in a fuck Touhou mood. Still kind of interested in the new game though.

>>715068269
There are hints it matters more than it seems, especially when it comes to Kris.

>>715068037
>The underground, having two different races, all that lore about magic,
The underground is an incredibly small place. You see the majority of it. The two different species is maintained, humans and monsters are different, only now we get to ask questions about how they interact rather than how they used to interact. The magic lore seems completely preserved within dark worlds. They're "just illusions", but your experiences within them are real enough.
>No. This is another thing, Deltarune fans are really defensive.
Then explain why you'd say the characters are better in Undertale beyond just "they are".
>I prefer each boss using a SOUL mode rather than a minigame fest like Queen and Tenna's fight.
Queen? Minigames? What the hell are you talking about, the punch out segment? Soul modes still get boss fights, which are better than the originals too.

first time seeing solo fanart of these guys

>>715067968
>>715068328
would her baby be a human or a soul?

>>715068367
The way I see it, near any game that doesn't go out of its way to be super fucking racist will have online discussion dominated by the type of person you're talking about. I filter out those sentiments without even thinking, because to me they're the current background noise of the internet. So calling out games for having "tumblr" fanbases has always been odd to me, like it means anything.
>spoiler
ah I see. In that case, can I ask what you think contrasts Touhou so much within Deltarune? I can't really see it.

>>715068479
>The underground is an incredibly small place.
It's still bigger than Hometown. Hometown is just the underground but smaller and more generic. We still only have one human and a city of monsters, like Undertale. The magic lore is in the Dark World, but the Dark World itself is just make-believe. I liked how monsters used magic in their daily lives in Undertale.
>Then explain why you'd say the characters are better in Undertale beyond just "they are".
Toriel, Sans, Papyrus... they're all better than the main cast of Susie, Ralsei and Noelle. Especially when Ralsei is based on an Undertale character (Asriel), and Deltarune re-uses Undertale characters for most of its lore. The Darkners are cool but they feel less relevant to the main plot than the Undertale bosses.
>What the hell are you talking about, the punch out segment? Soul modes still get boss fights, which are better than the originals too.
Yes, the Punch Out segment. I like the secret bosses, but Gerson is a weaker fight than Undying, and Spamton NEO is just Toby giving us a fight we should've had in Undertale.

what's the deal with this fucking thing

>>715069472
A gag character. Also dead thread.

>>715068962
>Spamton NEO is just Toby giving us a fight we should've had in Undertale
lol no
Mettaton NEO not being on Genocide route is kino
the route would be many times worse if it was a big climactic fight, and Spamton NEO shares nothing with Mettaton's fights anyway, that's more Tenna's thing.

>>715068962
>I liked how monsters used magic in their daily lives in Undertale.
Elaborate. "Bullet patterns as self expression" is good but I don't recall any other instances where magic as a fact of everyday life was important.
>Toriel, Sans, Papyrus... they're all better than the main cast of Susie, Ralsei and Noelle
I prefer the interactions we get for having a party around over the individual "you are in [character]'s zone" style Undertale went for. Ralsei isn't meaningfully taking anything from Asriel, and the Undertale characters aren't using ambiguous Undertale lore, they're just the same "people" in an entirely different circumstance.
>Yes, the Punch Out segment.
Ignoring that you started fighting Queen in an ordinary battle that already outclasses, like, 95% of Undertale's?
>Gerson is a weaker fight than Undying, and Spamton NEO is just Toby giving us a fight we should've had
Hard disagree, Gerson is more enjoyable than Undying and spamton NEO's gameplay is more enjoyable than any yellow soul mode stuff was in Undertale.

>>715058151 (OP)
Why can't people accept that toby mixed his favorite ingredients to make something unique? I can't think of any indie of its time that was like it. Should uniqueness not be rewarded.

>>715069472
Don’t question it

>>715065258
>>715066589
Knowing beforehand that you should try to avoid killing anyone ruins the game and costs you many of its best sequences by the way, so you already fucked up. Also you can't even get the pacifist ending on a first playthrough.

The one who told you "don't think about it and just play" was the one trying to save your experience.

>Gaster hired (You) G-Man style to connect into Deltarune's world because you most likely already played Undertale and all its routes, which is why you can talk to the UT characters about things that haven't happened or that Kris shouldn't know
>Going off the Twitter posts when Chapter 1 came out, he also knows you went so far as to look for him with the fun values
>He knows you have what it takes to create a NEW FUTURE
>But he doesn't really give a fuck what you end up doing, so long as it's NEW
>Intended prophecy isn't Weird Route, it's violent neutral, the most indifferent apathetic bitch way to play
>Pacifist lets us get away with loophole shit like being able to revive Tenna, while Weird Route has us brute-force everything to go off script
>Everybody already wants to subvert the propechy, but (You) are the one that can tip the scales either through your sheer autistic love of the world or your dangerous curiosity to see too far

>>715070357
>I can't think of any indie of its time that was like it
Yumme Nikki, OFF, LISA

>>715070627
>Knowing beforehand that you should try to avoid killing anyone ruins the game and costs you many of its best sequences by the way
I don't see how. I read the tagline "the friendly RPG where no-one has to die" and went through the first area seeing every monster be friendly the moment I did a basic friendly action and knew for a fact that killing wouldn't be necessary until the game gave me a big fat cue that something had changed. And I was right.
The game is not about how you should be nice to the characters.

>>715058151 (OP)
youre looking at things anachronistically- undertale basically made indie games and video game soundtracks from the ground up. before undertale, most games were pretty simple; you jump on enemies, you die, you have to insert another quarter to continue. undertale changed all that.

>>715068660
Wtf was the deal with the Organikks? Why are some petrified in the first dark world, but it becomes the opposite in Susie's dark world?

>>715068660
They're like the best enemy/NPC of their chapter
Shame

>>715070357
I just feel like people who can post shit like this >>715070645 about a game that looks like, plays like, and is written like pic related, are projecting something onto the games that isn't there, and that when they praise it they're doing so out of some kind of internal motivation or fandom obligation rather than any objective merit

>>715070645
>But he doesn't really give a fuck what you end up doing, so long as it's NEW
>Gaster is extradimensional Flowey

>>715070883
This one's such a Kirby design

Fuck this fucking faggot for getting Undyne locked in the cuck bunker

>>715070921
I don't see what's supposed to be unfitting about the post you linked and the screenshot you posted. Perhaps you have arbitrary standards on what "kind" of story is worthy of thinking about?

>>715070921
Okay
I don't feel that way personally

>>715071078
>>715071153
To me that just seems like you're too deep into it as well because anyone with a normal non-biased perspective could immediately clock what's wrong

>>715070921
assuming you're the op, there's probably a bit that you just dont get.
which is fine, not everything's meant for everyone.
if you cant understand that a pixel RPG can be both silly and serious then you're better off playing the latest AAA slop.

>>715071187
Okay

>>715071187
>everyone normal and non-biased knows this game is unworthy of attention in any capacity
It seems like you may have a bias you're refusing to engage with.

>>715070961
They do infact share an enemy that's a sword with wings

>>715071000
>Fuck this fucking faggot
dont mind if i do

>>715071302
How do people like this function? The first thing they were told was a "goal", they stick with? How can they not develop their own interests and curiosities and motives?

>>715071316
Not really, I'm coming from an outsider perspective whereas you're invested in defending it since you made it part of your identity or something

is it main character syndrome? do they think life is some grand epic?

massive desire to stand out?

what makes people like OP so fucking retarded?

>>715070342
>and Spamton NEO shares nothing with Mettaton's fights anyway, that's more Tenna's thing.
Toby literally made Spamton NEO to be the Mettaton NEO fight we should've had. Read the 9th anniversary newsletter.
>Elaborate. "Bullet patterns as self expression" is good but I don't recall any other instances where magic as a fact of everyday life was important.
Toriel using fire magic to cook, Toriel using fire magic as the chimney. The existence of the CORE, etc.
The rest of your post is mostly just subjective preference like the party system versus meeting characters as we go along. Let's just agree to disagree.

>Man = MysteryMan
>Gaster =/= MysteryMan
>Gaster =/= Third Skeleton Brother
>UT Sans = DR Sans
>DR Sans's Brother =/= Papyrus

>>715071417
Loser lol

>>715070823
The tagline already spoils it a bit if you're the type of person who always tries to minmax stuff like that.

The game is designed with the expectation that you'll kill some of the bosses that seem like you have to fight them, and many of the best scenes in the game happen only if you do, or lose their impact if you don't. Some examples (spoilers):

>Toriel's death scene
>Undyne's death scene
>Sans revealing what EXP and levels are
>Most importantly, Flowey's monologues on your second playthrough when you're going for pacifist after not doing it the first time

>>715071474
You sound like you're projecting family

>>715070754
Yume nikki was from another decade.
>>715070921
You haven't refuted my point at all. I can't help but feel like you don't actually hate toby fox games and are just pretending not to see it out of contrarianism.

>>715071417
And what is your "outsider perspective"? That nobody should like Deltarune? That 20% fewer people should like it and they should not talk about the story at all? What is the objective unbiased state you wish this game's discussion to obtain?
I don't have the game as part of my identity, I just don't see what's supposed to be so objectionable.
>but you must or you DO have the game as part of your identity
Explain how. Don't just insist on your points, ARGUE them.

>>715071417
How much of the game do you know about? Genuine question. Do you know the basic story, setup, characters? Have you played it any?

>>715067998
name 3 (three) "pizza tower games"

>>715070921
I do agree a lot of Deltarune's praise is just people making headcanons up or concepts that might not even happen.

>>715071556
Defense mechanism, I guess I'm right

>>715071000
Will NEVER be a cute human like my wives.

>>715071501
>Toriel using fire magic to cook, Toriel using fire magic as the chimney.
So just some small cute details of how elemental powers are used, in my eyes, not a core thing.
>the CORE
I thought that was just a shitton of geothermal power, maybe with some magic in its creation, what implies it's magic power as a whole?

>>715071187
>To me
That's a you problem.
I like the game for what it is so far, simple as.

>>715071724
Luhmao

>>715071501
Forget to quote:>>715070343

>>715071000
Undertale/Deltarune could have so easily had cringe chuuni autist art like this, toby being even more shit at drawing than that really saved it.

>>715071606
Have you never personally seen people claim some revolutionary piece of media changed their life and then they say what it is and it's some poorly made scrimblo cartoon or webcomic and you think the media probably caused more problems than it fixed? Or any other examples of people deluding themselves over the quality and impact of a piece of media to the point of looking silly? Not once? I feel like it's quite a common phenomenon online

>>715071828
Alphys' dialogue.

>>715058643
I somehow doubt the Call of Duty to fucking Undertale pipeline is a common phenomenon

>>715071960
Your flawed assumption is that everybody thinks like that.

>>715072063
So you have never seen someone completely overblow the importance of some trivial piece of media? Even though even normalfags make memes about that?

>>715071568
>if you're the type of person who always tries to minmax stuff like that
It's more about good faith. With games that don't make as obvious a "statement of intent" as obvious as Undertale's (not the trailer tagline, but all the tutorializing about how monsters can be spared) I try to sit back and let the game reveal its rules and priorities as much as possible rather than making assumptions.
>the best scenes!
I like the characters and don't enjoy watching them suffer.

>>715072186
Of course I have. I don't care about those people because I'm not one of them and have no reason to care about them. Why do you?

>>715068070
>spoiler
NTA, but I think people just finding out about official manga (written by ZUN, but drawn by various artists). It shows Gensokyo in darker tones than the games do.

>>715068660
The organikks and their NPC counterparts had such great designs, I hope we see them in castle town somehow building a church or something

>>715071960
I have seen it, I don't think that a post like the one you linked is someone saying deltarune changed their life? It's just someone posting about how they think the plot is going.
>but they're deluding themselves about how much quality and depth are there
Is that what you think the negative part of a "persona 5 changed my life" video essay is? That's sad.

I am posting Ronald McDonald Black Knife OTOMAD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtuDEM3Cqm0

>>715072186
Have you ever seen someone overblow the importance of not overblowing the importance of a piece of media?

I know you think you're being mature and "not like those silly zoomers and millennials" but you misunderstand that boomers did the same shit with starwars and lord of the rings.

>>715072275
So you can understand how people constantly praising this game as a "best of all time" comes across to people like me who have played a lot of games and don't see anything notable about it, and especially its OST which is middling compared to pre-PS3 game OSTs

>>715072560
This video changed my life and I will now dedicate my entire personality to it.

>>715058151 (OP)
It's okay, if you don't like it. Not everything is for everyone. I had a great experience with it and it's one of my favorite games. Played through it many times, doing different routes, even with self-imposed challenges. Sad to hear that you didn't have an experience with it that was similar to mine, since it's one of those games that definitely has that potential for many people.

>>715072615
>boomers did the same shit with starwars and lord of the rings.
They were embarrassing too

>>715072696
>it's one of those games that definitely has that potential for many people.
My issue with this is that the main reason for it is the fact people just don't play that many games to have a meaningful frame of reference, it feels like kids praising MCU movies as the best movies of all time, even though they only watch superhero movies

>>715072619
No I cannot understand how Deltarune comes across to you, because you aren't objecting to people saying it's the "best of all time", you're objecting to people talking positively about the game overall. That sounds a lot less like "I've played a lot of games and Deltarune isn't that special" and a lot more like "I've staked a lot of my personality on liking Real Games and Deltarune isn't a Real Game so it's shit".

>>715058264
Fpbp

Most people like the game, not everybody

>>715058151 (OP)
Game is an excellent work of passion.
>5 hours long
>amazing soundtrack that pairs well with the game
>subversion of turn based RPGs that was actually creative for the time it was released
>lots of secrets and hidden things, some of which were only found years after release
>well crafted story with a great ending, but that has just a few loose ends that keep the fans on their toes theorycrafting

It's great and I have no idea how someone can play through this and not feel something.

>>715072907
>the main reason for it is the fact people just don't play that many games to have a meaningful frame of reference
I don't play tons of turbo niche stuff or anything but I've played lots. I think Deltarune is notably good, especially for where the industry is currently. Could you elaborate on what you think are good and admirable games that more people should be trying to imitate?

>>715072909
The games definitely are overhyped though, they have huge overbearing fandoms that are notorious for being obnoxious and looking for ways to insert them into the conversation no matter how unrelated, see both of the pope stunts

It's not like other successful indie games where people play them, go "that's neat", and move on with their lives and you never hear about them unless you go looking

>>715068061
He has a point, Susie is great

>>715058643
It's not just that. If you want examples that go against what you're saying, then there are prominent cynical game critics that have played however many games, that had a good experience with it. Now of course, just because a game critic or whoever else likes a game doesn't mean that it's good or that you will like it, but I think this notion that only people with brief exposure to the medium are singing the praises of Undertale is simply wrong, given its near universal critical acclaim. Hell, I'd say the game definitely hits harder if you're familiar with RPGs, since the game takes a critical look at RPGs and makes you ponder their staple design choices.

>>715073017
You are >>715058643

>>715058643
Anon it’s just the modern Homestuck. That’s it, plus it was easy for people to give funny voices to the characters so it was a big streamer game.

>>715058151 (OP)
There has been a massive shill campaign to push Toby Fox as a genius, ignoring the fact that his creations are derivative at best.

https://streamvi.com/watch/1800055523878752

>>715073170
No. The only COD I played was MW1 and it had a kino campaign. Then I tried MW2 and it was garbage, never touched another COD again. I also had a girlfriend at the time I played it. She played with me and loved it too. I might be a little autistic but my ex was anything but.

>>715072265
Basically, you're treating the game as a happy kid's fantasy playground instead of a work of art that surprises and makes you think.

The game DOES have something for every type of player of course, but the best and most complete experience is for those who allow the game to tell its messages and deliver on its various "gotchas". Another reason is simply that the game has 3 distinct routes, and if you do pacifist as much as possible the first time, you're only seeing 2 of them, or even 1 of them if you ONLY do pacifist.

>>715073131
see >>715059959
Also Mario games constantly getting 10/10 from everywhere despite being just okay but completely forgettable timewasters kind of makes me not trust reviewers at all in general

>>715072907
Then how come the game is nearly universally critically acclaimed? Game critics play far more games than the average person does, since it's their job, and yet they're singing the praises of the game. This doesn't mean that they are right of course, but I find your assessment completely unfounded. The game works in a large part because it subverts RPG tropes, and those wouldn't hit as hard if you're unfamiliar with RPGs.

>>715073092
>It's not like other successful indie games where people play them, go "that's neat", and move on with their lives and you never hear about them unless you go looking
I have never considered an indie game like that to be anything more than "okay". Successful indie games are the ones that earn attention after the fact like Balatro, Pizza Tower, and Undertale.

>>715073368
see >>715073358

People who give Undertale a 10/10 are the same people who give Tears of the Kingdom a 10/10.
Söyboy millenials, LGBT tumblr trannies, and pseudo intellectual redditors.

>>715073378
Do you see anyone gifting Balatro or Pizza Tower to the pope? Sending death threats to streamers for playing the games wrong? Doxxing people who misgender characters?

I remember I was socially ostracized in high school for not liking Undertale
Wasn't even vocal about it, my friend group just sorta slowly stopped wanting to talk to me after I brought that up

>>715073274
This is completely true and why 80% of Deltarune threads revolve around shipping.

Undertale is so bad all of its discussion should be banned, liking Undertale is looking for trouble.

>>715058151 (OP)
>He didn't like wiping the sweat off two homo enemies
Filtered.

>>715073358
>>715073428
You can assert a conspiracy theory that all game critics are in the pockets of Toby Fox or that he secretly sucks them off for good reviews, but even then you're left with nothing to stand on when making claims that the only people who enjoy the game haven't played many video games. It's simply a conjecture. While on the other side you have the massive elephant in the room of the game's critical acclaim. Especially these days many game critics with a following aren't shackled by bigger corporations, it would be quite a feat for Toby to travel all across the world to suck all of them off for good reviews, especially in such a short time frame after the game's release. It just doesn't add up.

>>715072857
He's the average /v/ poster

>>715073724
>it would be quite a feat for Toby to travel all across the world to suck all of them off for good reviews
I believe in Toby, he could pull it off

>>715073659
>liking Undertale is looking for trouble
Kermit poster still as relevant as ever

will /v/ ever be right about anything? wrong about the switch 2 and wrong about deltarune being a top seller. its kinda insane how stupid the average vtard is

What is your biggest schizo theory?
My unironic /x/ teir one is that Undertale is a retelling of Vril: The Coming Race. Toby Fox himself has no idea, as he was subconsciously guided into making a version of the story that is more palatable for the modern world.

>>715073347
>you're treating the game as a happy kid's fantasy playground instead of a work of art that surprises and makes you think
It surprised me and made me think when I realized that my options to see more were, in fact, real, and not just a small diversion from the usual before I'm back to playing nice. It surprised me and made me think about why it was saying what it was saying. (The point of the game isn't about video game pacifism at all, you know.)
>those who allow the game to tell its messages and deliver on its various "gotchas"
The point of the "gotchas" is to make you think about the thought processes you're applying to games. The "gotcha" of killing toriel only works if you're applying half-formed logic from other games to Undertale (surely the fight will just end when I get her health low enough). The point is to teach you to let games set their own rules (in this case, don't attack someone if you want to progress without killing them). I got that point already, going in.

>>715073568
Yes to all for Pizza Tower. No for Balatro but only because I don't pay attention to Balatro.

>>715073724
The point is that reviewers are a joke and lots of non 10/10 games get 10/10 reviews for various reasons, most journos already know giving anything but a 10 to Zelda means their lives will be in danger from the fans, and the UT fandom managed to make a much worse reputation for itself in much less time (not that I'm claiming this is the only reason it could get 10/10, reviewers around that time were also mostly playing AAA garbage without having a background in vidya classics)

>>715058643
>played more games than most people since he does it as a job
>has a reputation for being cynical to the point that some will claim with hyperbole says he hates all games
>liked undertale
Granted that's partially because he's a big earthbound fag and he hasn't even touched deltarune because he's a retarded WAITfag

>>715073789
Kermit is a faggot and probably likes Undertale, this screenshot should be retired along with any Undertale discussion.

>>715058151 (OP)
>>hear it's one of the best indie games ever with one of the best soundtracks ever
It has exactly one good song and by good I mean its worth listening to. It is definitely NOT "one of the best ever"

>>715074053
>It has exactly one good song and by good I mean its worth listening to. It is definitely NOT "one of the best ever"

>>715073092
>looking for ways to insert them into the conversation no matter how unrelated
This is one of the worst parts of it
I never understood why zoomers feel the need to make everything about Toby Fox shit, it's like they're literally incapable of enjoying any games outside of the context of Undertale

>>715073928
What PT characters are there to misgender? Most of that community's insanity stems from its modding subsect, which is to be expected as it's infested with children and the occasional predator.

>>715073968
He's a comedy writer and a game dev so he probably liked the idea of a low effort game with obnoxious jokes getting so big and successful, it made him feel hopeful for his own game dev career, he also backpedaled on Souls hard which means he's not immune to peer pressure, and his current GOTY and game he won't shut up about is the fucking Alters

>he hasn't even touched deltarune because he's a retarded WAITfag
He did, he didn't like it

>>715070627
I was already going to do that even without knowing. That's how you get the good ending in these sorts of games.
I don't like bad endings, makes me feel like I wasted my time.

>>715074094
Yes. Megalovania is the only good song. You may think otherwise but thats only because you played the game and for some reason liked it.

its actually quite hilarious how on the nose toby has you guys

>>715074045
>he doesn't remember any of the shit that went down after pizza tower's release
The nigs tried to cancel mcpig like twice over the Indian cheese blob, the anime girl toppins mod invoked endless screeching so loud it made it to /v/, mods tried to declare pizza tower threads a "general" like two weeks after release.

>>715074149
Ironically the pedophile who made that Stuffed Crust mod also made Undertale: Bits and Pieces.

>>715074257
Why are people who are trying to harm the creator considered part of his game's fandom?

>>715074196
>he didn't like it
Source? I'm curious to hear his reasons if he liked undertale.
He didn't walk back on souls either, his demon's souls review was shit but his story goes the way a lot of peoples do, he tries the games a few times, doesn't like them, then tries again because something is pulling him back, he figures it out, then liked the series for a while before becoming tired of it. He can be pretty shitty sometimes but the souls thing was genuine

>>715058643
COD dudebros never played Undertale.

>>715074257
>people who aren't fans to begin with
>cancerous gijinkas made by a nonce
>again, people who aren't fans to begin with

Now do you guys see why Undertale threads would make a piss poor "disguise"? If it's not the nogs ranting about how the game is shaming them for being a serial killer, it's the "le true /v/" posters who hate games that aren't self-hating.

Undertale isn't a fandom its a cult, there are no redeeming qualities to it as a game.

>>715074252
Megalovania isn't even the best Sans track, it's beaten by It's Raining Somewhere, nor is it the best final boss track, that's Finale. Snowdin Town, Heartache, Dummy!, and Death by Glamour are also bangers and beat it.

>>715074424
>cancerous gijinkas made by a nonce
>nooo cute anime girls are BAD actually
Shut the fuck up.

>>715073568
Never forget that Undertale shippingfag who fed someone cookies full of needles for liking the wrong pairing

>>715074252
Megalovania is a meme. Battle Against a True Hero is far better as a boss track.

>>715058643
For me it was at its best playing the first time blind on a neutral route, and the true good ending was super cringy and lame.

>>715074497
>>nooo cute anime girls are BAD actually
Yeah.

>>715074426
Trick is not to make OP topic something that would bait actual discussion. Or if it shits on Toby have it shit on something people generally agree with. That "Toby copies character designs" thread worked because he actually kinda does.

>>715074365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvF9YvoNkbg&t=1660s

>>715074426
Jannies let the Undertale threads live, though.

>>715074669
Then our tastes are fundamentally different. Are you going to claim this is because I have yet to play more than phone games, Undertale, and call of duty?

>>715074484
>>715074545
No
No one actually likes that shit. And as for it being a meme yeah what do you think good music is?
https://youtu.be/phBThlPTBEg
Meme

>>715073959
>The point is that reviewers are a joke
These are still people with far more experience playing various video games than the average person. And plenty of them aren't happy-clappy people that give everything a perfect score. This asshole >>715073968 who hates (almost) everything, indie, AAA, doesn't matter is a great example.
>most journos already know giving anything but a 10 to Zelda means their lives will be in danger from the fans
But there are still critics who don't care. Jim Sterling back in the day when he was more reasonable before he lost his mind and trooned out famously shat on BoTW. This guy >>715073968 shits on games with massive fan bases like Smash constantly. It's either disingenuous or ignorant to claim they're all in lock step with what the popular opinion is, when it comes to properties with enormous rabid fanbases. And on the basis of what? That they align sometimes? Then it would be disingenuous to ignore all the times that they don't.

>>715058151 (OP)
normies never played an rpg maker before and every news outlet shilled it to the moon and back as toby fox is one of the "chosen ones"

>>715071402
Some people are just built wrong, but that makes them good mindless drones so there's still biological imperative for some people to exist like that on a societal scale even if they are in the minority.
Most mental deficiencies/conditions have their roots in biological requirements throughout human evolution, and since humans a highly social animal who live in large groups where people often take on different roles it's needed to have variety, but also since humans have developed very rapidly evolution hasn't caught up on certain things, and some of these variations are way less beneficial or way more beneficial in the modern context.

>>715074762
They get flooded with shitposters too easily
Just make some stealth bullshit instead

>>715058151 (OP)
The board was taken over by woketoids ten years ago, when gamers failed to fight the tide of ideological subversion in their own hobby. Now, they praise the most "popular" game at the start of the trend; a de(con)structivist take on RPGs that makes you feel bad for playing an RPG like someone who's ever played an RPG, and wants to tell you that literal monsters deserve respect and empathy too. It may as well have been made by one of the Demons from Frieren.

>>715074252
>tries to act smug
>picks the mid song that is popular with normies

What is her major malfunction?

>>715074703
Thanks for the timestamp. It's a fair enough take, but he didn't seem as negative as I thought. He seems interested enough to play it to completion when it's out

>>715074815
>nooo everyone who says it's good is just falling for a meme, MY taste is objective

>>715058264
>Muh subjectivism
And that's why nobody wants to talk to you.

>>715074909
They like it because it's good
You like nerd music because you don't have taste.

>>715074484
Death by Glamour is just that one Casiopea song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W0B5gKmadg

>>715058643
The people you're talking about were Homestuck fans (the intended audience, not Tumblr) who were scooped up by Undertale's presentation and self-important attitude around the time Homestuck started losing steam. We're starting to see the internet turn on it now that we know Toby is a piece of shit and all that supposed emotional strength was insincere and plagiaristic.

>>715074972
too horny