>games you forced yourself to like

>>715168952 (OP)
br4 whent?

>>715169108
You count Blue Reflection Sun? Interesting, a lot of people ignore it and just ask for a ''third game'' when that game existed, but I don't think it'll happen.

I never forced myself to like Blue Reflection, personally...I guess the closest things to games I ''forced myself to like'' are Yume Nikki, Hyperdimension Neptunia: Producing Perfection and not much else.

This is now a Blue Reflection thread...just kidding, it doesn't have to be one.

Mostly stuff like online shooters because my friends were playing them. Blue Reflection is more of a guilty pleasure category for me.

>>715172234
Oh yeah, guilty pleasures, games that make you think ''I like this more than I should''. I've played a lot of games that I would classify as such, guilty pleasures can be common in my experience.

Twintails.

Enjoy a nice, cold drink this summer.

>>715168952 (OP)
What is there not to like about Rape Wave?

I think that horse gacha game is pretty much this for lots of /v/tards
Also, >playing games for ironic purposes

>>715174848
*Grape Wave.

>>715174869
It's not playing a game ironically like YIIK: A postmodern RPG (people say that the game is better now but anyway), it's forcing yourself to like a game, which is different.

>>715176253
anal mating press and anal impregnation

>>715176436
Kokoro Utsubo is the most endowed girl in the franchise.

>>715168952 (OP)
Man...I really want to start this but I am 60-hours deep in Xenoblade.

>>715177525
The tan she gets when in magical girl form makes me absolute diamonds

Is this yurishit

Haven't played it, probably never will play it, but holy fuck the soundtrack is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na5QeYzIf1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xDF-O77As
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCBAniTwIg

>>715168952 (OP)
I would have been sold if the girls weren't anorexic

>>715177713
The sequel is ''yurishit'', yeah.

>>715177938
yuck

>>715177667
What tan? She looks the same besides her hair color and right eye.

>>715168952 (OP)
You buy it for the OST.

>>715177327
Nice outfits.

>>715177778
I know you're being hyperbolic but...there's Kokoro Utsubo and Rin Sanada at least.

Blue Reflection was based though?
>amazing OST
>comfy gameplay
>not too grindy or too repetitive
>cute JKs
>many nude bath scenes of aforementioned JKs
>caters to my obscure panty swapping fetish

What's not to like?

>>715168952 (OP)
This certainly fits that bill. There are games that have a unique and captivating appeal, while also being 6/10s from a more technical standpoint.

League of Legends.
In the summer right after graduation I was forced to either play it or basically become friendless right out of high school.

>>715181909
Don't forget the emotional/moving story. Also, what about the scenes of characters in their undies? I guess you prefer them naked even if nothing explicit is shown.

>>715173701
sex

>>715178275
Actual Faggot

>>715187816
She wants to be an idol.

Once again the repeated shilling of this overpriced trash appears timed with the announcement of yet another Gust cash grab

>just one guy spamming images for 4 hours
well this thread blows

>>715189091
The DX versions of the Ryza games are a cash grab? It seems that they'll give them new features and content, then again, it's true that they aren't old games and that they'll be digital only in the west.

So, I guess that just this year we'll have:
-Atelier Yumia: The Alchemist of Memories & the Envisioned Land
-Atelier Resleriana: The Red Alchemist & the White Guardian
-DX editions of the 3 Ryza games
Wow, Gust, that's a lot of Atelier in a year...Blue Reflection? Nothing of course.

>>715189336
It hasn't even been 3 years since the third game was made and Yumia didn't shift as well as they thought it would and now suddenly they announce a DX version of Ryza so I'd say they are a cash grab buddy, stop falling for this shit, they keep doing it every time

>>715190057
But Atelier Lulua doesn't have a DX version and the Iris trilogy is still only for PS2 (without counting PS classics or whatever)...it's not something ''they do every time'', not all games developed by Gust get new versions or re-releases.

>>715190225
I love Atelier games but Atelier Ryza 3 just came out and now they've "Upgraded it" and are selling it as a new product which will be full price knowing them, come on dude if any other company did this we would call them out on it, Gust doesn't get a free pass on this

>>715190910
It's something worthy of criticism, I'm just saying that they don't always do it, heck, the Blue Refletion games are an example of that, they don't have a DX version or anything.

>>715183178
>emotional/moving story
Yeah , there's this too. Shit's well written and engaging for the most part.
>>715183178
>Also, what about the scenes of characters in their undies? I guess you prefer them naked even if nothing explicit is shown.
I enjoy both, I just figured I'd mention the nudity since you can see 1X year olds in panties in many games, but full on bath and shower scenes are rare.

>>715168952 (OP)
I played this for two or three hours after seeing it get recommended but it wasn't very interesting story/theme wise, the gameplay also wasn't anything to write about. Is there a reason why people keep posting this game?

>>715192580
i want to like blue reflection
but every time i start a new save i end up getting bored
the first few hours are very dull

>>715192580
The short answer is:
-The graphics
-The music
-The characters
-The fanservice
-The story
>>715192704
Yeah, it's a slower game compared to other RPGs and it's true when people say that it's a story-driven game, even more so than other games in the genre, not to mention the low difficulty and how it's a simplified RPG.

>>715192580
"People"
It's one or two guys who keep making these threads and have done for years, you can tell because every time it's the same exact pictures being posted including down to the screencap names, I cannot recall any other game to get shilled this much on /v/

>>715192315
>full on bath and shower scenes are rare
Especially nowadays.

>>715168952 (OP)
I liked it cuz it was full of hot teens

The Reflector outfits often show the tummies of the girls.

>>715181909
Are they actually nude, or just implied?

>>715194818
It's a typical Japanese game specifically developed for consoles, so, the characters are nude but you never see anything explicit and/or the private areas are covered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGQCjTAWLzQ

>>715195036
Alright, that's a little more explicit than just God's light rays. Makes a bit more sense why it was initially banned here before they settled on R18+, even if it's still utterly retarded and I hate the Australian Classification Board.

>>715196048
From what I understand, Blue Reflection was officially rated R18+ in Australia, however, people speculate that said age rating was something that Koei Tecmo didn't want for the game, so, the PS4 version wasn't released in Australia even though it could have been released without issues, it would simply be another game rated R18+. Because of Koei Tecmo not releasing the PS4 version in Australia despite having an age rating and not being RC, only the Steam version is available there without having to import the game.

Considering that the game is rated 16+ in Europe (including Germany), I don't think that they went too far with the R18+ rating in Australia.

Watching OP spam pictures to try bump his thread is cringe ngl

BR2 is just better. Only trannies prefer BR1.

>>715198324
You should know that the OP can't bump his/her own thread like that, the creator of a thread has to wait longer to bump a thread compared to everyone else.

>>715196826
>I don't think that they went too far with the R18+ rating in Australia.
Anon, R18+ is for high impact supposedly offensive content. MA15+ (effectively the tier below it) is for things like actual sex scenes in otherwise not sex focused content. Shower scenes that aren't overtly sexualised deserves at best an M rating, but even then you could at least settle for MA15+.
For reference the game with animated bear sex, among other things like drug usage, only got MA15+.
https://www.classification.gov.au/titles/baldurs-gate-3

I'm enjoying this thread

>>715198778
I agree but that doesn't change the fact that Blue Reflection is PEGI 16 in most of Europe and USK 16 in Germany, the same age ratings of games such as Senran Kagura: Estival Versus, Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls and Kill la Kill - IF.

I agree that MA15+ would be better for the game, it really was a game that got rated R18+ in Australia only because of ''nudity related to incentives and rewards''...in this case, the permanent stat boosts that you receive just by watching those shower scenes (and other scenes of course).

>>715198390
You're joking, most people here would say it's the other way around.

>>715200378
BR2 is a better video game, but BR1 has better aesthetic elements in general. So it goes with countless games and their sequels.

>>715201102
Yeah, but I was talking about the part of ''only 'trannies' prefer BR1'' when most people here would say it's the other way around, probably.

>>715199460
I don't think you understand, anon. Shinovi Versus was rated M here which is lower than PEGI 16 because it has no age restrictions, meanwhile Estival Versus is R18+ for the high impact sexualised gameplay. There is no logic, the ratings board in Australia follows whatever standards they decide that day and nothing more. It's a heavily biased and useless system.

>>715201274
It really IS more inconsistent than other rating systems, yes. All the rating boards are flawed and have made unexpected rating decisions but even the ESRB and PEGI are better.

Between all the Atelier releases this year (and also Fairy Tail 2 last year), I made this quick edit, nothing fancy.

>>715199064
based

>>715202264
The fact that you said this after posting that edit...wow.

Eh, I really don't think that we'll get a new game, and if that's the case, it's better like that maybe.

Sarasa or Ako? Who's the best redhead in the game? I don't know.

>>715168952 (OP)
Blue reflection 2 is worth slogging through the first game

>>715204079
Maybe your grammar failed you for a moment because I don't understand what you said.

>>715168952 (OP)
This is a game for literal pedos

>inb4 “Out of 10” memes

No seriously, it’s a pedo game. The devs literally had a round-table discussion talking about hot they were getting over schoolgirl feet or some shit.

>>715198324
Welcome to every Blue Reflection thread ever lmao. OP posts fanart every 5 minutes like it’s some obscure cult classic that needs reviving, but forgets we’ve seen the same bath scene CGs a thousand times already. At least wait for a new game announcement before trying to breathe life into this corpse.

>>715204529
Even if I agreed with what you said (and I don't), you can't just reference that article without posting it: https://news.qoo-app.com/en/post/18043/qoo-news-qooapp-with-mel-kishida-how-to-incorporate-stinky-feet-in-blue-reflection

I'll admit, I'm not a fan of Mel Kishida saying that, it really undermines the game, Blue Reflection is a game that revolves around the concept of empathy for crying out loud, public comments like that are a disservice to the game.

She is the only Chinese girl in the franchise, and only appeared in a dead game.

>>715204823
It's either fanart being posted or the same guy spamming in-game screenshots he took where he's being a coomer over the girls nude or in their underwear and the girls are listed as being children so that's a huge fucking yikes
If people like the game sure that's fine but all the guy in these threads seems to spam is NSFW stuff, never gameplay or anything, just NSFW of kids and it's really creepy

>>715205871
Here's something SFW. Official art of Morisaki Alesia Yu with a book.

>>715205313
>I'll admit, I'm not a fan of Mel Kishida saying that, it really undermines the game
>implying
Anon, Gust is a fanservice otaku oriented developer who makes games for smelly NEET incels, they’re in the same vein as developers like Compile Heart. They’ve never been a high-brow developer, they make coomer waifu games. Their EXO.pico series is literally based around the eroge/galge genre ffs.

You were never meant to take Blue Reflection seriously, everything it does is simply a backdrop so you can perv on and ogle some JKs, anyone who denies is in deep denial.

>>715205871
>implying Blue Reflection isn’t an inherently coomer game
See here >>715204529, here >>715205313, and here >>715207071

>>715207071
I disagree that Gust is in the same vein as Compile Heart. I like the games developed by Compile Heart but Atelier and even the Blue Reflection games for consoles (not so much the mobile game) are different compared to Neptunia, Mary Skelter, A Genkai Tokki game or even Fairy Fencer F: Advent Dark Force. I'm not saying that those games aren't worth playing or that the games developed by Gust don't have fanservice too, it's just a different kind of experience or developer, between the two, Compile Heart (not so much nowadays) really tried to make games with a big focus on fanservice unlike Gust where it's more like a complement.

Then again, I haven't played the EXA_PICO games, so, I don't have enough experience with games developed by Gust, maybe.

>>715208672
>Compile Heart (not so much nowadays) really tried to make games with a big focus on fanservice unlike Gust where it's more like a complement
>Unlike Gust
Even disregarding EXA.pico, bros your Blue Reflection???

There’s a reason they kept getting lumped in with Compile Heart during the 2010s, hell Neptunia games even feature official crossovers with Gust with their own Gust character made to represent the company.

Tranime

>>715209580

>>715198275
Love the tatas. But i wanted ALL the girls to have the transformation so i could go full magical girl assemble instead of just three.

>>715205313
>>715207071
I heard they tried to make the second game more serious, how true is that?

BR1 was cringe af with all those coomer scenes. Some of them were really tone deaf like
>watch this clinically depressed minor sit alone in a bathtub while the camera pans over the "goods"
like who the hell thinks this is sexy?

>>715210156
Blue Reflection: Second Light is a game developed by Gust after all, it should have had a low budget, even one of the menus/UI gives the idea that the game was originally going to have more playable characters, the fact that Yuki, Kirara, Mio and Uta aren't playable characters should be the result of a low budget.

>>715210963
>how true is that
Very true, to the point that some people don't like the darker and more serious story of the sequel compared to the first game, in the end, the story in Blue Reflection: Second Light is ''the world has ended, so, we'll reset the world or go back in time to preven the end of the world like it never happened.''

>>715210963
>who the hell thinks this is sexy?
Incel weebs

I want a Utena game made by gust. Give me my lesbian duelists.

>>715211986
If you are talking about Revolutionary Girl Utena, that won't happen, it's an irrelevant IP nowadays. Gust has developed licensed games before, but those two Fairy Tail games exist partially because Fairy Tail is still kind of relevant and, more than anything else, still gets new official content, unlike Revolutionary Girl Utena which probably only gets fan art and fan fiction

>>715211986
lmao no, Utena is far too high brow for Gust

>>715212328
>Fairy Tail is still kind of relevant
Really?

>>715211986
Gust only deals in yuribait, and only to tittalate and appeal to the male gaze, whereas Utena was made straight up for the actual lesbians and LGBT alphabet soup crowd, you don’t want Utena anything. Also:

>licensed games
>ever being good
>outright begging for them in fact

Holy shit man get some dignity, real gamers know licensed games are nothing but slop shovelware and always have been.

>>715212609
I said that it's because the franchise still gets official new content more than anything else, but yeah, we can say ''a little relevant''. A collab with the Edens Zero game was just announced, some people still want more Fairy Tail for now.

>>715212825
No mine was real disbelief. I tought fairy tail litterally disappeared years ago. It was always shitty fanservice bait, after some time it gets inevitably old.

>>715212782
>>licensed games
>>ever being good
Naruto games were good for the average. I don't know about onepiece but they looked fine, not a fan tho.

>>715212782
>Gust only deals in yuribait
Welp, I guess Blue Reflection: Second Light and the Nights of Azure games don't exist.

>>715212782
>Utena was made straight up for the actual lesbians
I don't really know if you people watched the anime or not. Utena was 70% stupid non sexual bullshit. It was no more yuribait than blue reflection.

reflector stole my bike

>>715213690
I laughed.

>>715213690
Hanako! You can't steal things from people or someone will slap you on your hanakos someday or later.

>>715214557
hanako? who the fuck is hanako?

>>715214801
Wasn't her name hanako? I played the game a lot of time ago and i was never good with jap names.

>>715214557
In one of the trailers, Yuzu is grabbing her breasts. This probably is something that was removed during development.

Also...*Hinako, her name is Hinako Shirai.

>>715168952 (OP)
I dropped that shit two-thirds the way through. It was so badly designed in so many ways and I don't imagine for a moment that the sequel fixed any of it.

>>715215061
>Hinako
Heh fuck my life and my brain.

>>715215090
You can download a demo if you want to get an idea of the game before buying it. Not on PC but there is a demo on consoles, I agree that the sequel is better when it comes to gameplay and design.

LIME!

>>715181909
>amazing OST
agreed
>comfy gameplay
>not too grindy or too repetitive
It's absolutely repetitive. Whether you find that comfy or not is one thing, but it really lacks engaging dungeons, nor a reason to actually explore the school. You can basically teleport everywhere and you're told exactly where everything is. Combat had potential for depth, but ends up being too easy for any kind of experimenting to actually pay off. Even the superboss, ignoring how lame it is being a reskin of a basic enemy, really does not provide a good challenge for someone at the end of the game.
The boss fights are raw kino despite this though.
Also I agree with the rest, I just have my gripes because I have an actual want for interesting RPGs

>>715215413
What about her?

>>715216125
I really want to stick my tongue inside that navel.

>>715215840
>>715215917
Sexo. Nothing more to say.

>2025
>still playing Gust coomerslop

>>715216125
I want her to strangle me till i die.

>>715168952 (OP)
Blue Prince. Half of the game is awesome. Figuring shit out and then doing it. The other half that ruins it is the RNG. I've noticed things in the house like the chess pieces and I don't know if I am missing a room, if its a red hearing or if I'm missing something in a room I already have down. Then there is the problem of having figured something out and just not fucking rolling the room I need. I spent the last two runs trying to get the breaker box room and it just refused to show up.

>>715216396
It was already said above, some Reflector outfits expose their tummies (Lime, Hiori, Ruka, Momo...Yuzu to an extent).

>>715168952 (OP)

>>715216794
This on-topic post is great, a detailed reply. The fact that the name of the game also starts with the word ''blue'' makes it even better.

Of course, Blue Reflection (in general) and Blue Prince are very different games.

>>715216579
A new Atelier game will be released this September.

>>715216934
That art is very SFW compared to other images...

She looks cool here, even though she is just wearing a school uniform.

>>715218610
You really need to just stop with the spamming of pictures because unless Gust is paying you to do this shit is just cringe

BR is such a mixed bag series for me. I love the atmosphere and music of the first game but its barely even a game. The sequel has better gameplay and overall all around a better "game" but the setting and story are so fucking dog shit that it just feels like a fan fiction. The series is dead and it probably deserves to stay dead at this point. Gust / KT don't know what to do with it and there's no point to make a new JK fanservice game when they censor everything these days. Even the latest Atelier showed off Totori being censored in the latest trailer.

>>715219317
It's sad to think about because the first Blue reflection was supposedly some level of a passion project for the dev team. They made it with the little bit of profit they were allowed to spend when making Atelier games, and in the really budget restricted, shallow mess of a game it was, there was soul there. Now it has a cult following to a degree, they're obligated to make more of it, make gacha slop, make sequels that don't mean anything. It feels like such a letdown to get invested in something with such a strong art direction, but no clear game design direction.

>>715219529
KT overestimated and overshot way too much with the multimedia revival. The anime, gacha, and sequel all flopped pretty hard. They weren't even consistent between eachother story wise and just made the series a mess. The gacha not even got finished and it was supposed to fill in a shitload of story between the anime and the sequel. Playing the sequel leaves you with a lot of questions because there's a shitload of backstory that was never even written at the time. it really sucks overall because I really wanted BR to become bigger but they handed it off to a bunch of people that didn't know what to do with the series and now it's dead. I believe Tsuchiya said he wanted to do more with the series along with more exa_pico stuff but lol.

>>715219317
>Even the latest Atelier showed off Totori being censored in the latest trailer
I checked because I hadn't watched the trailer yeah...dang, it's true. It's especially frustrating because the next Atelier game obviously has the same age rating as Atelier Torori, heck, in Japan it has a higher age rating! Atelier Resleriana: The Red Alchemist & the White Guardian is rated CERO C and the highest age rating that Atelier Totori got in Japan is CERO B, it's a game rated CERO B or CERO A depending on the version. The fact that Totori's design is censored even though it's rated T for Teen and CERO C makes it frustrating...

>>715207071
>Gust is a fanservice otaku oriented developer
*Was*
No one really panders to otakus anymore. It's part of why they're all flocking to gacha. Because that's the only thing that still shamelessly appeals to them.

>>715219884
Even as someone who cares for the story, I wouldn't mind if they just went the way of Precure and made every entry its own self-contained story, with the same logic behind magical girls but with different aesthetics and narrative beats involving the antagonistic force. The raw aesthetic of the games is what carry it, and if they were smart they'd lean into that to give as many excuses to do insane visual delights like in the first game.
I'd happily take some more challenging RPG combat too

pitsluts

>>715168952 (OP)
I was eyeballing this series. Is it good?

>>715220245
Everyone and their fucking mother misread that Sakurai interview and I hate it. CERO is not the primary problem with these games if at all, it's all developers self-censoring either in the name of pandering to non-otaku normgroid Xittertards or out of fear of platform holder censorship. What do we gotta do to give Sony/Nintendo/Valve a much deserved kick in the teeth? Censorship that wasn't related to ESRB/CERO/PEGI ratings was almost unheard of prior to 2018 when every goddamned storefront started pushing in-house restrictions specifically to target Japanese games and the Jewish ESG investors started pouring into Japan.

>>715220737
Nope, not worth the money and not worth the time pirating, the guy who shills this game tried to make it look better than it is. Go play something like Ryza instead, at least they tried with those games

>>715220962
I'll wait for the ryza dx trilogy. I'm playing witch spring r.

>>715220245
>Atelier Resleriana: The Red Alchemist & the White Guardian is rated CERO C
What’s it rated so high for?

>>715220449
>No one really panders to otakus anymore. It's part of why they're all flocking to gacha. Because that's the only thing that still shamelessly appeals to them.
Falcoom still exists and panders shamelessly, also if Gust is no longer an otaku pandering company then why is Resleriana rated CERO C in Japan?

Censorship started with sony. Now nintendo is ramping up heavily due to the switch 2 wanting to be more family friendly since they realized these 3rd party games don't help nintendo at all since everybody buys their first party shit anyway. microsoft pulled the rug from japanese developers as well and followed snoy despite trying to appeal to japan and be a big player for pushing more japanese games, too bad gal gun had to learn the hard way. steam is also russian roulette if you get mary or not. their guidelines are absolute dogshit and dont remain consistent at all.

unfortunately fan service otaku games are basically dead now and it's all moved to gacha shit. stellar blade was the last big coomerge and that was korea pushing it. japan is too scared to make real fanservice games these days unless its a shitty gacha.

>>715221123
If you haven't played a Ryza game before then DX is worth it for you, if you bought Ryza originally then DX is nothing more than a cash grab and blatant insult to fans to try and recoup losses from Yumia

>>715221171
Stop spamming ffs

>>715221165
>Falcoom still exists and panders shamelessly
This is true but they also slowed down their releases and started making some of the worst jrpgs in recent memory. the kuro series was a disaster and basically put the series on haitus so decide to go back and remake the most boring entries in the series.

>>715221230
>if you bought Ryza originally then DX is nothing more than a cash grab and blatant insult to fans to try and recoup losses from Yumia

I think it depends on what they are priced at and how much content they added. I played the original mysterious trilogy and replayed the DX releases and found the additional content to be decent enough to replay the games. i'm also a big fan of the story and world building of ryza so the dx games give me a good excuse to go back and see the new stuff they added. It appears that Kilo is going to be added as a playable character in 1 which will add a bunch of new scenes with Bos hopefully.

>>715221230
I never played an atelier game before.

>>715221189
>coomer games all moved to Gacha
Good, they were never even real games in the first place. No one actually ever played them for the gameplay, but to coom, good riddance I say, quarantine all that shit to the Gacha slop zone and let real games actually focus on the gameplay like they’re supposed to.

>the kuro series was a disaster and basically put the series on haitus so decide to go back and remake the most boring entries in the series.
Exhibit A of a coomer’s shit taste that is ruining video games.

>>715168952 (OP)
I am not proud to admit this but I unironically spent well over 10k on this game and I will keep going to please Todd
One of you fuckers caught me ages ago in a roll thread

>>715221165
It's been said before, the CERO got stricter throughout the years and now they can be even stricter than the ESRB and PEGI, this Neptunia game has the same age rating and it's the tamest game in the franchise to the point that it's the only Neptunia game rated E10+ and USK 6.

Of course, it goes without saying that the CERO and especially a C rating can allow the original design, Totori's design is just self-censored like that other person said but it's not something that they *really* need to do. Atelier has never run into issues with the platform holders unlike other anime style games with...spicier content.

>>715221621
>the kuro series was a disaster and basically put the series on haitus so decide to go back and remake the most boring entries in the series.

>Exhibit A of a coomer’s shit taste that is ruining video games.

The problem with Kuro was that it was inconsistent with previous world building of Calvard and then dumped stupid time travel bullshit filler at you. I don't care to go back and revisit the Sky games, they were good for their time but are such a slow drag. Barely anything happens in those games. The writing got so bad in Kuro that falcom didn't know where to take the series anymore because fans weren't buying them anymore because of how shit they got. Remaking the Sky series just screams desperation and a complete lack of vision for the series. They just want to milk fans instead of tying their story and world building together into a good game. It all went downhill after Cold Steel 4 where Falcom exposed themselves for the hacks they are.

>>715221858
Riders still had the goods but it was also only 3 hours long without a single CG either.

>>715221165
I don't consider Falcom to be of the same type as GUST, Compile Heart, and the like. They just make JRPGs as they were a decade ago before the great faggification. They don't include erotic elements in their games beyond swimsuits and some designs.
>also if Gust is no longer an otaku pandering company then why is Resleriana rated CERO C in Japan?
Why do you think CERO C/D automatically means otaku game? Look at how they're censoring pantyshots with magic gravity-defying shorts and putting towels on all the women in bathing scenes while the men are allowed to be topless?
>>715221189
Stellar Blade is nothing like these moe otaku games and I hate how people are acting like it's more than it is. It's nothing more than a AAA action game that happens to feature a hot Asian babe. And it still got censored on release. Everyone likes to forget that now for some reason.

>>715221835
I think I actually went beyond 10k now and am nearing 25k now

>>715221942
I know, I've played Neptunia Riders VS Dogoos and beat it (it's a short game).

Eh, Older Neptune is the only character who with visible panties by default, the other characters wear suits or shorts but not a skirt or dress, if one doesn't count DLC outfits.

>>715222102
>I don't consider Falcom to be of the same type as GUST, Compile Heart, and the like. They just make JRPGs as they were a decade ago before the great faggification. They don't include erotic elements in their games beyond swimsuits and some designs.
The harems? Yuri sexual assault played as laughs? Boob jokes and hot springs scenes? Lolis and several adult man/loli pairings?

>>715222323
There's Noire too.

>>715222102
A modern Atelier game would never have scenes like these.

>>715221863
>Barely anything happens in those games.
That was never the point of Trails though, the point was the comfy and allowing yourself to be fully immersed in an extremely detailed world and characters, the overarching story of Trails was never anything special.

>>715216125
I LOVE HER SO MUCH ITS UNREAL!

>>715222483
It's my first time seeing this. It it's real...that's fine I guess? It's something I suppose.

I still think that the game should be rated CERO B like Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1

>>715189187
What do you expect? Mel Kishida killed this franchise

>>715221858
The Moe loli-like designs of Neptunia and Atelier is enough to be rated CERO C just on that alone, since they’re clearly being made for that crowd in the first place, hence the pedobait artstyle.

>>715222374
>The harems
Where? Adol is a classic chaste JRPG fantasy hero.
>Yuri sexual assault played as laughs? Boob jokes and hot springs scenes? Lolis and several adult man/loli pairings
All typical in JRPGs before 2020, especially lower-budget ones. Tales of has/had all of these and it's one of the most mainstream JRPG series. You know what's not typical in JRPGs? Rubbing/touching minigames. Clothing damage. Explicitly moe art styles. School settings. Subcultural humor and in-jokes (e.g., Neptunia). All-female casts. Dating sim mechanics can go either way, but they're far more common in more overtly otaku-oriented JRPGs. I'm not bashing Falcom here, they're one of the few devs I still keep tabs on, but they're not a replacement for the kinds of games GUST, Compile Heart, and Imageepoch used to give us.

>>715212782
>Gust only deals in yuribait, and only to tittalate and appeal to the male gaze.
Which means they make money.
>whereas Utena was made straight up for the actual lesbians and LGBT alphabet soup crowd, you don’t want Utena anything.
Which means it never made money lol.

>>715221858
Main issue is when it comes to the Panty Shots it becomes more difficult and can go to a D rating. A loli with Panty Shot would easily bring it to a Z rating/AO. Which is why you will not see many try to pull that off like they did in the past. Studios can go to D but they choose to stay in C or lower territory for maximizing audience base for most ages. So Adult characters can easily get Panty Shots, even Neptunia but anything like Ram/Rom would not.

>>715223063
>salesfag being retarded as per usual
Utena is far more mainstream and more widely known than Atelier is though, it inspired /co/shit like Steven Universe for fucks sake and is in all academic books regarding famous anime. It’s considered an anime classic on the same level as Eva or Miyazaki shit.

>715222981
Do not give (you)s to the shitposter.

>>715177938
real yurishit or just yuribait?

>>715222626
Interesting. I do not know why then CC hype up Trails to be bigger than anything anyone has ever seen if that is the case.

>>715223374
Real, there's Rena and Yuki.

>>715223051
>Tales of has/had all of these and it's one of the most mainstream JRPG series.
Tales has never had an all female harem like Trails has had.

>Explicitly moe art styles
Which Trails has, see Altina and Tio’s designs. None of the loli characters in Tales got even half as otaku/moe-baity in artstyle as these two characters.

>School settings
Which Trails also has, Cold Steel anyone?

>>715223261
That's fucking bullshit, you are one of those retards I'm talking about. Every Genkai Tokki game as well as Tokyo Clanpool and Mary Skelter have those in spades and even have interactive erotic minigames with them and they don't go above D. Neither did any of the Senran Kagura games. Hell, here's a game centered around tearing the clothes off of people and it only got a C. Z is seemingly reserved solely for violence and gore or actual genital nudity like in Cyberpunk 2077.

>>715223351
>Do not give (you)s to the shitposter.
Ironically this is how twitterfags actually think though, even something as minuscule as art style or even height is enough to be deemed “pedo-coded.”

>>715223051
I know what you are saying. It's very slim pickings right now for anything Ecchi/Eroge related and it does feel like it's just being crippled by the Credit Card companies or very much everyone is afraid to do it due to repercussions like Valve maybe rejecting it if it goes to Mary or NOA rejecting it etc. It makes me wonder if the Otaku market is in a stasis of moving away from those games to other things. Honestly it would be nice to go back to those times. But everyone is too afraid to go all in that it's become impossible and it just ends in stagnation.

>>715223261
It's true that the CERO can be stricter than the ESRB and PEGI but this is too much, a game never gets a Z rating just because of fanservice, it needs something more and that ''something'' is violent content, there is a reason why pretty much every game rated CERO Z is very violent for their standards. Chaos;Child, some Onechanbara games, Assassin's Creed games, The Witcher 3, Death end re;Quest: Code Z etc...it's not a coincidence, all games with blood and even gore or dismemberment.

Even Gust has proven that a game rated C or lower can have panty shots and scenes of characters taking a bath or shower.

>>715223469
is it fun

>>715223316
Utena is known by certain generation of audience bases. As for Atelier it's very well known because of the fact it's generational as a series for women and those who like cute girl games. Also referencing Steven Universe is retarded because it's irrelevant as a series outside of a demographic when everyone just watches Anime.

>>715223609
I am not saying they do not. What I am saying is that is why MOST of the market does not go into this territory. They are afraid of being pushed into CERO Z ratings. It's why they have to be more safe because in Japan they are cracking down on Panty Shots and do not wish to be legislated out of the Panty Shots. It's stupid, it's on their end obviously but it is what it is.

>>715223831
Better than the first game, yeah. If you can, download the free demo to try the game before buying it (or before you pirate it if you pirate modern games).

>>715223749
Honestly I don’t have a problem with Eroge and Ecchi/Waifu games in and of themselves, let the coomers have their slop and all that. The issue is that most of these types of games tend to feature underage minors and a pedo art style as well as incest more often than not.

If they’d just get rid of the pedo and incest cringe and keep all the women looking and acting like adult women who aren’t related to you I don’t think anyone would have a problem with them. Don’t tell me even Ecchi with non-pedo/moe artstyles and incest content is also getting censored is it? I mean no one actually gives a fuck about stuff like the “Puff-Puff” content in Dragon Quest do they?

>>715223821
CERO is very strict lately on Panty Shots. Ask yourself, why is there not many games that feature them. That is why. Yes CERO is heavily against violence, no doubt. It's their major purity spiral much like in the West it seems to be sexuality despite everyone in the West raving about how they are LGBTQ.

Also yes I agree you can have Panty Shots, but they can not be like Mirai from Senran Kagura because times have changed due to CERO saying "we will regulate ourselves" and push explicit panty shots to D but if it has a Loli with a panty shot it's a Z.

>715224057
>pedo artstyles
Again, do not feed the shitposter. No one who argues like this is doing so in good faith.

>>715224057
>pedo art style
Explain what this is

>>715224229
>No one who argues like this is doing so in good faith.
Nigga, there’s an entire gaming forum dedicated to making arguments like this, a little something called ResetEra? Don’t act like it’s something most normie gamers aren’t concerned over and despise.

>>715209924
Mama is based and /v/ approved.

>>715224057
Why do you associate deformed drawings that are of smaller female characters to real minors?
>Don’t tell me even Ecchi with non-pedo/moe artstyles and incest content is also getting censored is it? I mean no one actually gives a fuck about stuff like the “Puff-Puff” content in Dragon Quest do they?
ALL of it is. It all is. Ask yourself when has Dragon's Quest ever faithfully translated the "Puff-Puff" content? Very rarely or next to never. Also any drawing that is harmless is always associated with reality because people are braindead and have had their brains fried by politics can not differentiate fact and fiction. May as well censor violence while we are at it, because I hate violent content, due to it encouraging violence against women and children.

>>715224315
Don’t play dumb retard, you know it’s the typical Moe style Neptunia uses.

>>715224229
Woops lol. I will be aware next time. Trolls tend to do this for attention.

>>715224179
Yeah, you're retarded. Loli pantyshots has never gotten a game more than C, sometimes B. The reason pantyshots are disappearing is because of self-censorship for gaijin cultural commissars, ESG investors, and platform censorship.

>>715224486
How is this a "pedo" art style? 10 years ago you faggots where calling anime pedo cartoons. No, (You) have to explain what it means.

>>715224463
>ALL of it is. It all is. Ask yourself when has Dragon's Quest ever faithfully translated the "Puff-Puff" content? Very rarely or next to never.
Well that’s retarded then, literal puritan shit if we can’t even have properly designed adult looking women fanservice, are big titties also getting downsized then?

What the fuck is so wrong with adult woman fanservice? Like yeah I can understand censoring degenerate shit like pedophilia and incest, but regular good old sex appeal is a natural fact of life.

>>715224179
>if it has a Loli with a panty shot it's a Z
No...someone else already said it. That's not the case, Neptunia and LoveR are just some examples.

>>715224702
>First they came for the pedos lovers and I did not speak up because I was Normal™ and not a pedo weirdo
>Then they came for the incest and I didn’t speak up because I was not a filthy degenerate inbreeder
>Then they came for fanservice and sexual content altogether

>>715224623
>10 years ago you faggots where calling anime pedo cartoons.
They were unironically right, even most non-shonen so called “mainstream” anime ends up having pedo and incest shilling content somewhere in there, the Nips are certified creepy weirdos and that’s why they need to be censored for the rest of the world’s good.

>>715222691
Do you love everything about Lime? Not just her design as a reflector and personality? What about her voice and underwear?

>>715219317
>>715219884
What they mentioned in the first game has a lot of potential for more games. I also care for the story in the franchise and one could say that the fact that we never saw one of the other 21 singularities is a shame, at least if one doesn't count the anime which could be another one? I think that even when Mio can go to The Common, Blue Reflection Ray doesn't take place in Hoshinomiya.

>>715223051
School settings aren't typical in JRPGs?...Persona, Blue Reflection, The Legend of Heroes, Tokyo Xanadu, Disgaea 3, Mind Zero, The Caligula Effect, Mana Khemia, Loop8: Summer of Gods...I agree with a lot of your post but it's not really true that school settings aren't common in JRPGs.

It took a long time but I guess the art person appeared. I guess that's supposed to be Mao.

>>715168952 (OP)
>exposing their pit pussies like that
fucking sluts

>>715189028
im gonna impregnate her tummy

>>715228193
i was busy drawing another magical girl

>>715228614
NO ONE CARES YOU FUCKING IDIOT JUST LEEEAAVE YOU BITCH, like uta in the anime. UTA, YOU BITCH.

>>715228286
Her reflector outfit shows her cleavage and bared back.

>>715228976
im a matcha nigga

>>715228954

>>715228497
Heh...this is her transformation/eroded state.

>>715228193
you got a problem with me drawing im just trying to draw some blue reflection like kishida mel does he gets to draw girls am i not allowed to draw girls too does this somehow give you the ick by being passive aggressive by not giving any (you)s because i saw you what you said last time nigga >>714994442 that's why we don't get no bitches get no (you)s get no paper? this fucking pisses me off for real you fucking piss me off

>>715229409
Okay, okay, it's fine. You have every right to draw Blue Reflection art too, it's not as good as Mel's art but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't draw, if you really want to, I won't stop you, go ahead...draw.

>>715229543
so you're saying that valis drawing the one spoilered isn't good shit either? that fucking pisses me off really fucking pisses me off i thought it was a step above from the other attempts at drawing faces but clearly i must keep grinding if it's still not good compared to the other stuff i've posted

>>715229791
see being passive aggressive and i thought the blue reflection threads were free of tyranny but instead you act like some other people from a different series i ran into

>>715229783
That Valis drawing...it has potential but it definitely could be better. It's not something I'd expect in any game with a price tag or even something on Tapas (I say it as someone who doesn't read comics and manga but I've seen a few examples of content on Tapas mostly thanks to Dannphan and that video) but with practice it could look great.

I don't want to use this as a point of comparison or reference but Sable's Grimoire (picture related obviously) is a multiplatform visual novel with art that at least one person has described as ''not looking professionally made'' but as someone who has played the game, I consider Sable's Grimoire a game with really nice art at times and it looks decent *at least*...maybe we can all agree that the art of the Sable's Grimoire games (there are other games, yes) looks better than your art. So, I guess it's a matter of practice, it could look great with more effort or detail.

>>715230203
that's why i got me a nigga who's been helping me studying lighting and colors, this was a drawing i did that he helped out with on the colors so i'll see if he could help me with that valis drawing and soon help me drawing some blue reflection asshole, bastard. little faggot, little faggot with the earring and the guitar, little faggot with the jet airplane, yeah buddy that's his hair

i like his doodles

>>715230553
Oh, that looks nice. It's a feminine-looking guy and he looks great.

>>715229791
and to quote the megami tensei ova dub
little faggot, you ever written a compiler? little faggot? you ever written a compiler? little faggot? you ever written an interrupt routine, little faggot? no you haven't because you're a faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5siXT6P_DO8

>>715230742
you piss me off

>>715230783
I don't think I said anything wrong but okay. Good Night.

The second one was by far better. It’s a crime Uta was not playable.

>>715231357
Her character arc and lack of reflector status in Second Light only enriches her batshit insanity from Ray. It's so much better when you know the absolute fuckshit that's locked away in her.

>>715231535
don't be passive aggressive

What Uta doin?

>>715231747
you fucking asshole

When are we getting Atelier Lenja?

>>715231357
They should have adapted Ray.

>>715231747
Trying to hear the voices more clearly.

>>715231747
being cute. like always.

Why does this game show the girls in their underwear so often?

>>715234741
>Why does this game show the girls in their underwear so often?
It’s for incel pedos, see here >>715204529

https://news.qoo-app.com/en/post/18043/qoo-news-qooapp-with-mel-kishida-how-to-incorporate-stinky-feet-in-blue-reflection

>>715205313
>undermines the game
I disagree. You can have depth and you can have eroticism, they are not contradictory in any way

>>715236709
>You can have depth and you can have eroticism, they are not contradictory in any way
If the sole purpose of the game is to pander to coomers they are in fact.

BR was always a JK fanservice game. Gust failed to realize that when they tried to bring it back and it failed spectacularly.

>>715236953
SL didn't fail spectacularly considering it's not a AAA title.

>https://noisypixel.net/blue-reflection-second-light-sells-120000-units-worldwide/
>Blue Reflection: Second Light, has sold 120,000 units worldwide as of December 2021
>game launched in October 2021

For a game of its budget, that's not awful. That said, I can't speak for whatever damage the anime and gacha might've caused, but Second Light on its own almost certainly didn't kill this series.

>>715236953
Second game had actual yuri though so it was still fanservicey.

>>715227101
Okay, fine. Let me try and put it this way; Falcom doesn't make bishoujoge. Yes, they have cute girls, but the story doesn't revolve around a particular cast of "special" girls. Games from companies like I mentioned have stories that revolve around a cast of cute girls with special powers. Either it'll be an all-female cast, the only significant male character will be a pseudo-self insert, or otherwise the male cast will be there, but they won't be as significant as the girls like in Luminous Arc and Stella Glow where the stories revolve around the witches first and foremost. Lord of Magna is another example where the story entirely revolves a cast of girls with special powers. These are all examples of games with bishoujo elements. Falcom is just a JRPG company, they're not like Compile Heart or GUST or Imageepoch. I don't know how else I'm supposed to communicate this. They don't have the elements that characterized those Vitacore games that made them so appealing to male otaku. And you can see how so far at least, none of their games have been targeted for censorship by a major platform like the others.

>>715221835
I also liked fallout 76

>>715238178
>Gust makes games for male otaku
Funny, here in the states Atelier is known as a “girly series” for girls.

>>715239471
Explain Ar Tonelico, Blue Reflection and Nights of Azure then.

>>715240674
Ar Tonelico is the epitome of girly shit