KH1 > KH2
The truth everyone knows, but is too afraid to acknowledge

>Anon...don't ever change.

>music, atmosphere, story, world design
KH1
>combat, overall fun factor
KH2(FM)

KH1 gets tons of nostalgia points from me, but I do love both.

>>715170682 (OP)
can't beat that traverse town vibe

>>715172686
https://youtu.be/mmiWjG0N21w?si=OfSq8Q_79un_U8ph
>traverse town
Home

>>715170682 (OP)
ive always acknowledged it

the combat depth is great, but it lost all innocence and coherence to the atmosphere and narrative

>>715170682 (OP)
>KH1 : Sora is trying to find his friends
>KH2 : Sora is trying to find his friends
That's the problem with the games after 2. The main story was closed right here. KH3 didn't have a reason to exist except for things introduced between it and KH2's ending

>>715173525
>That's the problem with the games after 2.

The problem is that 2 canonizes Sora as a goofy retard while metaphysical horrors and violence happen all around him.
His friends hearts getting ripped out stolen and sealed away in a dimension of darkness.
People without hearts desperately trying to regain some sense of humanity, dealing with unrequited feelings they supposedly don't have.
Memories of loves and families lost they don't truly grasp.
Having his own memories stolen and rearranged, affecting his sense of self and purpose.

And then he's just a huge lame faggot.

I'm not saying I wanted extremely edgy grimdark.
It just makes him look like an asshole after watching Roxas fight for his own life and friends and being forced to give back to Sora.
And Sora never really ammends or acknowledges that in any satisfying way.

>>715170682 (OP)
KH3 > KH2 > KH1

>>715173903
> Sora never really ammends or acknowledges that in any satisfying way.
You clearly didn't play KH3

>>715177280
obviously i fucking did

>>715170682 (OP)
KH1 is the better story / adventure, but KH2 has a better combat system that's unfortunately accompanied by weak encounter and enemy design.

>>715170682 (OP)
no, i actually agree, i love KH1 and while 2 was great too, its not as good as 1 to me

>>715172623
Hit the nail on the head, I remember my first time playing KH1 at a friends house. Started slow for my taste at the time, but once we got into it, we had a blast.
>>715172845
Hand in Hand is still one of my favorite battle tracks to this day, even love the GBA version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHnaGr8Sqo

>>715172623
1 takes the overall fun factor for me and combat outside superbosses

>>715173903
>The problem is that 2 canonizes Sora as a goofy retard while metaphysical horrors and violence happen all around him.
And yet the dude's also bloodthirsty, always looking for a fight. How many times the bad guys tried to talk shit and he threw it right back at them. Yeah he's a dumbass, but he's a dumbass with balls.

>>715172623
this anon gets it

Played them both recently for the first time since I was a kid and was amazed by how much more dogshit the levels in kh2 were. Better combat options sure but they felt more like a train ride while 1 felt more open

>>715179865
chatgpt aah comment

>>715170682 (OP)
Fuck the hallways of KH2 so hard. I dont care how good the combat was supposed to be on critical botching the entire world design by making everything empty hallways was the worst decision this franchise ever made.

The question is which has the better final boss run?
2 takes it for me, I like the Ansem fight but the World of Chaos gets tedious on a replay

>>715170682 (OP)
>Story
KH1 > KH2
>Every single fucking thing that is not the story
KH2 > KH1

>>715180961
music and level design are definitely better in 1

>>715172623
>kh2 introduced roxas theme, riku theme, sora theme
kh1 can't even get basic things done

I've been playing kh recom these days and 2nd Vexen is the first boss that is actually giving me trouble. I can dodge his freeze sleight but the needles one is still hard and the way I built my deck I don't have 0s
I know I could modify the deck but I got close multiple times and I want to beat it like this now. Fucker will wait to play cards but the microsecond I play an elixir he will find a way to card break it.

Any final fantasy fans in here that can explain what the director was thinking when doing these games? I just don't get how it becomes so convoluted. Are all of his games like that? Or did he just open up his cheeks and shit the story out for each game on the spot for this series in particular? It's just so crazy that I don't see how you get to have that job and make games that turn out this way. I played them all and it was the wildest fucking ride and I had to watch youtube videos between games to remind myself of what happened in the random steam of consciousness

>>715181178
No, you are wrong.

>>715180883
Yeah. I do prefer KH1 as a whole by far, but the final boss of 2 is one of the best in any game. Darkness of the Unknown, the team up with Riku, the crazy laser deflection dance at the end. Absolutely peak.

I genuinely have to wonder if Tetsuya Nomura has autism or if he is employed due to Japanese nepotism. Or is the whole point to write plots and lore for autistic people to get hyper fixated on

>>715181667
>Or did he just open up his cheeks and shit the story out for each game on the spot for this series in particular?
that's quite literally how nomura has described his process
he makes up the story on the go, one game at a time

>>715182308
Is it just this series or does he do that for final fantasy too?

>>715172623
>combat, overall fun factor
KH1 wins here, too. I genuinely do not understand people who think KH2's combat design is an improvement over KH1. The only things KH2 is a direct upgrade in are menuing and the Gummi Ships.

>>715182637
>I genuinely do not understand people who think KH2's combat design is an improvement over KH1

Have you played 2FM?
There is undeniably more depth to the combat mechanics.
You specifically need to modify your gear setup and abilities sometimes exploit keyblades to handle specific superbosses.
In KH1 its just "equip the strongest you can find".

In the 60s the beach boys and pink floyd had one guy each writing all of their songs, and both of those guys were literal short bus retards who couldn't tie their shoes. Additionally, they were both schizophrenics and just totally mentally fucked. Anyways, I'm kind of drawing a parallel between that situation and what goes on with Kingdom Hearts

>>715182637
KH1 has more interesting magic but that's about it.

>>715183046
I've played 2/FM+ on nearly every platform it's available on; PS2, PS3, PS4, and PC. 2's "depth" is nowhere near as interesting as KH1. KH2 removes all semblance of build variety for the sake of abilities being given at set story checkpoints. 2 removes the entire keyblade weight, crit chance, and crit damage systems instead of expanding on them (I forget if it also removes length, too, but keyblade length feels far less relevant in 2 regardless). If anything, 2's approach to keyblades is even less interesting than 1's because rather than the interesting Length/Weight/Magic/Crit chances 1 gives you around the mid-late game, 2 has fucking Decisive Pumpkin, a keyblade which outclasses nearly everything else in the game because of how combo finisher scaling works.

I don't think KH2 is bad and I definitely don't think KH1 is flawless, but KH2's not the direct upgrade people like to pretend it is.

>>715183278
KH1's got a far better approach to combat and especially enemy design because the more limited and deliberate movement forces you to actually contend with large enemies. Again, this isn't something KH2 forgoes entirely, but Sora's movement tools are overpowered as fuck compared to what most enemies can do to contend with it. KH3 introducing Airstep and completely removing all interesting positioning as a result is just an extension of KH2's design principles.

>play kh1 and kh2 as a child
>some of my most cherished games ever
>try to play through the whole series on pc as an adult
>platinum kh1
>get stuck on CoM
>stop playing

>>715170682 (OP)
I am going to say one of my wildest takes.

DDD is the closest any game in the entire franchise got to nail the KH vibe.

>>715183648
>KH2 removes all semblance of build variety for the sake of abilities being given at set story checkpoints

There is no build variety in KH1.

>>715170682 (OP)
WHEN YOU WALK AWAY
YOU DON'T HEAR ME SAY
PLEEEEEEAAAAAAASE
OH BAAAABYYYY
DON'T GO

>>715184167
>There is no build variety in KH1.
You have some at the beginning thanks to the order you get skills thanks to the Sw/Sh/Wand choice.

>>715183046
There's more to a game than superbosses

>>715183648
>KH1's got a far better approach to combat and especially enemy design because the more limited and deliberate movement forces you to actually contend with large enemies.
blizzard auto wins the first few levels, then you get cure/aero and are invincible, then you get gravity/stop and the bigger enemies literally never get to play. then you get ars + mp gift and the bosses don't get to fight.

riku 2 is the only mandatory boss that puts up anything resembling a fight unless you're 8 years old mashing the attack button, and he's also the only fight where the keyblade weight mechanic actually matters. some of the tournament fights and bonus bosses can be interesting but kh2 fleshes out this aspect way more. despite the pumpkin key being the meta in kh2 it at least gives you literally any reason to use something else esp during the middle game because of the attached passive abilities each weapon has, in kh1 you have a mostly linear sequence of upgrades the entire game outside of riku 2 because again he's the only boss where weight actually matters

>>715184246
And then you get to Wonderland.

I replayed 1fm recently on proud and the only boss I'd call hard is the first Guard Armor because you have basically no options at that point.
Fairly sure it's the one I spent the most time on in the game by far.
I don't know anything about what is the meta or whatever, and I didn't use summons because I don't know what they do, but as soon as I got aero things got significantly easier. It trivialized so much stuff.

>>715184275
Riku 2 is kinda roll/parryslop though with the mandatory flashy attack sequence where fighting is replaced with waiting. You get all those combat options and the "peak" is when most of them are taken away or made useless in favor of the designated "correct" approach.

>>715184246
this exact same mechanic exists in kh2 though, they just didn't make shield's gameplay extremely boring because you need to level up for 15 hours to get all the fun attack abilities like you did in the previous game

>>715184167
>There is no build variety in KH1
There absolutely is. The way KH1 is played in the early/mid and even into the lategame changes DRASTICALLY based on your choice at the start.
>>715184275
>blizzard auto wins the first few levels
You don't get blizzard until Wonderland, and unless you're grinding out a shitton of money so you can spam ethers like fucking crazy you eventually run out of magic and have to attack enemies directly to recover it.
>then you get cure/aero and are invincible,
Cure doesn't become busted until you get Leaf Bracer, which you'll only get around 3-4 worlds in at the ABSOLUTE earliest. Aero is strong, but nowhere near "invincible", and doesn't even deflect projectiles until you get Aeroga. Both of them require you to waste magic on them to be "invincible", and unlike KH2 you can only get magic back through ACTIVE PLAY.
>then you get ars + mp gift and the bosses don't get to fight.
Goofy won't get MP Gift until somewhere around Hollow Bastion 1, and by that point enemies are putting up enough of a fight that it's still not a game solver, especially since you specifically have to build Goofy towards being a walking MP generator for it to be truly busted.

>>715184636
>they just didn't make shield's gameplay extremely boring because you need to level up for 15 hours to get all the fun attack abilities like you did in the previous game
Yeah, instead they made the choice completely negligible because the only abilities in KH2's level path that actually matter are Second Chance and Once More, and everything else is just passive damage boosts or worthless dogshit like the thing that gives you extra EXP at low health.

>>715184636
I can feel the difference in abilities thanks to myu build choice in KH.
I don't really care about it in II.

>>715172623
KH2 combat was cooler overall, but you eventually tire of performing combo strings on mob enemies. You can clear them with magic, but they are all so similar.
However, KH2 boss fights were such an upgrade that I struggle to imagine 1 & 2 in the same franchise. Commands, stylish fighting, etc. were maginificent. The trouble is that most boss fights in 2 are against literal whos who eat dust when they touch your keyblade. 1 had better boss & enemy designs.
In defence of 1's combat, you truly felt you were role-playing as Sora because of his basic combos that are reflected in his actions.
Apologies for speaking so much on combat. I have yet to meet any IRL Kingdom Hearts fans, so it's nice to discuss here.

>>715185057
KH2's strengths really do shine on the humanoid bosses, but the problem with those is that they only start showing up at the very end of the game (and even then they still have issues, like Roxas's bullshit near-unreactable reversal or Xaldin being the most linear shithead triangle masher fight on the planet, plus Revenge Value generally having needed SOME kind of visual conveyance to not feel bullshit to a player who isn't deep in the online discussion weeds) The non-boss enemy design in KH2 is weak as fuck.

>>715182535
Well he's only written/directed the KH games, FFvsXIII, and FF7Remake. He's mostly a character designer.

>>715184712
Leaf veil was a mistake I always play without it.

>>715185349
>The non-boss enemy design in KH2 is weak as fuck.
Yes and no. On critical everything except maybe the basic shadows are kinda dangerous until later in the game when you can burst damage them out of existence before they have a chance to do anything. When you're limited to single target low damage attacks you can only bully one enemy at a time and their differences become more pronounced.

>>715183278
No, 2 does and the MP system is much better.

>>715170682 (OP)
I never played the remakes did they ever fix the shitty controls of the first?
I remember that being the only awkward thing about it and why I never replayed.

>>715185823
Critical Mode is neat in concept but always felt like a bandaid solution to me. If the only way you can make enemies feel like a threat is for all of them to universally kill you in 1-3 hits for half the game then there's probably something wrong with the enemy design at a fundamental level.

>>715185924
If you mean the camera being mapped to L2/R2, yeah that got fixed in every single HD port.

>>715185924
they overcorrected the movement

it becomes more and more flashier and faster and overdynamic to the extent where everything becomes weightless and sometimes totally uninteractive in the service of massive particle effect attacks

its not overbearing in 2 and even feels kinda cool most of the time, but the spinoffs and ultimately 3 overdo it and are shit

>>715185924
the HD versions of KH1 added camera controls to the right analog stick but didn't fix any other camera problems, it's still wacky and too zoomed in

>>715186081
>but the spinoffs and ultimately 3 overdo it and are shit
Re:Coded is the only one to get it right.
They should've let h.a.n.d. make KH4.

>>715170682 (OP)
the first game IS pretty good, chain of memories is the worst game i have ever played and made me drop the series so i never got to play 2

>>715186064
I kinda miss being able to navigate the menu with the right stick at times.

>>715184712
>You don't get blizzard until Wonderland
the first level that has real enemies instead of shadow spam and you get it halfway through the level
>unless you're grinding out a shitton of money so you can spam ethers like fucking crazy you eventually run out of magic
you can cast it 5 times with the default 3 mp and it one shots whole crowds of small fry while doing 70% to the big guys, at level 12 when your mp increases to 4 you can now cast it like 10 times because MP in this game has insane exponential growth where your amount of spells cast and how much damage those spells do are controlled by the same stat
>unlike KH2 you can only get magic back through ACTIVE PLAY.
in kh1 healing yourself costs only 1 mp, when you have no mp left how the charge meter works means that you only have to attack the enemy like 3 times to get that MP back. in kh2 if you're out of MP you just have to fucking wait a long ass time unless you want to spend an item or you have drive. this is why MP rage is fucking broken in the original version of kh1 and had to get nerfed hard, even without leaf bracer you would just get hit -> heal from the MP you got from being hit and if you got hit after healing you would just heal again until the boss finally gave you a gap
>Aero is strong, but nowhere near "invincible"
it cuts all damage you take in half even at level 1, in a game where most of the damage is about multiple small hits that add up instead of single big hits that instantly delete you meaning you benefit from it massively. reflecting projectiles is mostly not relevent and aero 2 lets you stunlock basically anything that isn't a boss for free including several enemies who literally cant attack you at all because they get hit while trying to slap you. all of this for again 1 fucking MP when even the most grugbrained sora build can have like 5 mp, and because you're taking barely any damage and able to cheaply cure yourself you can just mash buttons and rebuild the mp

>>715185970
>If the only way you can make enemies feel like a threat is for all of them to universally kill you in 1-3 hits for half the game then there's probably something wrong with the enemy design at a fundamental level.
But are you willing to condemn the character action genre (which KH2 frankly belongs in) for playing exactly like this?

>>715186273
I fucked up, aero is actually a massive 2 mp, but it also lasts at least like 20 seconds even with the lowest MP possible where you deliberately lower it with stuff like one wing angel's -3 mp so you have more then enough time to mash that mp back

>>715185823
>>715185970
heading to cavern of remembrance on critical early on was the only time I felt regular enemies were an actual threat, before and after that they were just mash X exp fodder

>>715186308
I absolutely am because it's something I've never enjoyed, and why I prefer KH1. Action RPGs are more interesting to be when health feels like a resource to be managed than an arbitrary abstraction that gets depleted in a handful of hits regardless of where you are in the game.

>>715186529
CoR is a special case because literally every enemy that shows up in CoR is a special version with different AI to the version of that enemy you see everywhere else in the game.

>>715185057
If you want to speak to other KH fans, the Reconnect convention is happening in Denver, Colorado right now until the 13th. Maybe you're near there or could catch a quick flight, if it's that important to you.

>>715186273
>when you have no mp left how the charge meter works means that you only have to attack the enemy like 3 times to get that MP back.
That actually only applies if you're underleveled. KH1 has a hidden system where enemies who are higher leveled than you give you a multiplicative bonus to the amount of MP you restore per hit.

>>715186565
You're alright.

If you haven't beat Sephiroth at level 1, you didn't beat the game.
drop the dream rod for an added challenge

>>715186767
I didn't know about that, but I was talking about how the yellow bar has to travel past all the MP you currently have +1 in order to fill a new bar so when you have none left you only need to build 1 bar instead of having to build 5 to get that last pip

>>715171142
1 is best simply because it has Kairi before her character got ruined.

>>715183648
>especially enemy design
KH2 enemies are considerably more capable than KH1.

>>715186893
>0MP
uwot

>>715183852
>CoM
there's your problem, especially if you were trying to plat it

>>715186308
>But are you willing to condemn the character action genre (which KH2 frankly belongs in)
no taunts, very few animation cancels, you can barely even control what attacks sora does because the enemy moved 1 pixel closer/farther then you as you're moving to swing so you did slapshot instead of something else and got whiff punished.

if you'd said jacks game, I'd buy it, but not this game. having cool boss fights, a power up mode and tough boss fights isn't all it takes.

>>715187015
The keyblade in the picture subtracts 2 so if he didn't pick the staff and didn't equip any accessories that give MP at lvl1 it totals to 0.

>>715172623
Add Gummi Ship to KH2 too. I avoid doing it in 1 but find it more enjoyable in 2.

But yeah, KH1 remade with KH2s combat and QoL would be the best KH game. Unfortunately a remake at this point would be styled more like KH3

>>715184712
Illusion of choice for me
>want to pick sword for attack abilities early
>want to pick shield for early Lucky Strike
>have to pick staff every time because there's no way I'm cucking myself out of that 1MP that otherwise can't be gained

How would you add more KH2 style drive forms effectively?

>>715187349
Early slapshot is the real appeal of the shield

>>715184712
>through ACTIVE PLAY.
Like KH2, except you're not expected to blow your load early so you can actually see a full MP bar in battle late game.

>>715181479
If it makes you feel any better, Vexen has a reputation as an abrupt difficulty spike out of nowhere which forces you to rethink your entire deck. He’s the casual filter of the game for sure as he’s the first fight that you have to try for.
And if you really struggle, you just learn the cheese Dumbo strat to carry you to the end

>>715187396
remove BBS and DDD cancer, KH2 had it perfect already

>>715170682 (OP)
No. 2's gameplay is just too big of an improvement.

>>715187485
I think the main problem is that my deck isn't good but it's the one I used to beat the first Vexen and I'm stubborn. If I get tired of it I'll modify it, it's mostly fire raids.
I didn't even consider Dumbo because I tried it once when I got it in I think it was Hollow Bastion and unlike other summons it stayed until it finished even if I finished the battle at the start of the summon. It was so slow to use. It did feel strong though that's true.

>>715187396
Add the same new ones III did.

>Speed
Give Sora an absurd dash that can change direction, midway. Increase air mobility
>Guard
Same as in III. Maybe add reflect properties to the Guard.

>>715186714
Thank you for sharing, but I won't be able to make it.
>yoga, mental health
Trivia, concerts, and dance are quite nice; I cannot understand why those outliers were included.

>>715186998
Based.
https://files.catbox.moe/2jxmun.mp4

>>715187894
Well if you do give up, sonic blade obliterates pretty much anything in Re:CoM

>>715187894
>He doesn't know about the Sonic Blade cheese
CoM is a cheese friendly game.

>>715188268
Only Re:CoM OG CoM is actually fun to play.

>>715188443
he said he was playing recom

>>715187260
>Add Gummi Ship to KH2 too. I avoid doing it in 1 but find it more enjoyable in 2.
I don't really love either, it's just a necessary evil that I tolerate in both. But if I had to pick one it would probably be from KH2.
As a result of KH3 making Gummi Ship segments almost completely optional I skipped it all on my first playthrough. Then on my second run a while ago I actually gave it a try, actually liked it and 100%'d all Gummi stuff. Comfy grind and one of the most fun parts of the game, completely blows KH1 and KH2 Gummi stuff out of the water.

>>715188721
they're easy as shit to exploit to as well in 2 and 3
since the enemies only fire projectiles at the center of your gummy shit so making a donut ship dodges most projectiles without moving

>>715188950
Lmao, I didn't even know that. I always just add the random strongest blocks that I need and the end result more oftan than not looks like a missingno.

>>715188268
Lethal Frame is the one I keep hearing about but I can't even remember what I used, and I really don't want to play CoM or Re:CoM ever again

>>715189832
Neither exist in the GBA version.

>>715172623
MEIN FUCKING NIEGGER

>>715190212
I know Lethal Frame doesn't but not even Sonic Blade?

>>715188092
You will tell me who's responsible for this so I can find more
Please

>>715190493
My bad it does, but it's just not as good

>>715179865
>How many times the bad guys tried to talk shit and he threw it right back at them.
Go reread the demyx fights
>hey, i dont want to fight you but i am required by my boss to impede your progress. how about you blow up a couple water clones and we both agree I did my best and we can go our own ways?
>Fuck you, youre a heartless monster with no emotional capacity and everything you say is designed to emulate emotions you dont actually feel. Fight me and die.
>what the fuck? Thats kinda fucking rude, roxas
>Did you just DEADNAME me???

>>715190518
lolpantsu

>>715191091
Doumo
>sound version is behind paywall
fuck, I'll manage

>>715172623
The relationship between KH1 and 2 is kind of similar to the one between BotW and TotK, if you think about it a bit.

>>715170682 (OP)
both suck

>>715193852
Kairi definitely sucks my adult dick.

>>715193993
kinda gay ngl

>>715170682 (OP)
I am not afraid. both are great but 1 has more soul

>>715182637
kh1 just never feels near so good as kh2 peaks in data battles and terra

>>715170682 (OP)
KH1 is timeless kino
but KH2FM is the greatest videogame ever made

>>715188721
i felt like 3's gumi ship was the weakest out of the 3
the exploration was cool and the bosses too, but the actual routes were the worst in the series
i hope 4 improves it again
1's are pretty bad when you first do them but once you build a ship and try the EX ones it's more engaging than 3's
2's are by far my favorite, it could've used more bosses like Hunter X but building a Donut to try and S+10 routes never gets old to me. i love how over the top it is.
i admit i've only gotten the crown gumi in 2FM for the first time recently though despite getting S+10 ranks back in the original on PS2.

>>715170682 (OP)
No need to tier these two. Just accept both of them because every other game in the series doesn't compare.

I love KH1 yet hate every single world in the game.

>>715195950
>but the actual routes were the worst in the series
nigga go try 1's gummi ships again

>>715196360
KH1's are pretty satisfying once your ship has haste, the nets and lazers out the ass. and the EX missions can be kinda hard.
3's had nothing memorable, so it's more like i need to try 3's again. the only thing i remember from 3 was as i said the exploration and the bosses, but the routes felt like 1980s game design.

>>715196605
nigga go try 1's gummi ships again

>>715196769
i 100%'d it like 2 or 3 months ago

>>715196843
they're barely a minigame my man
i dont know how you can play 3's gummi ship and even pretend
is 3's gummi that riveting? no, but it beats nothing at all

>>715170682 (OP)
What a cover. Tetsuya Nomura's good days.

I think the last bit of good art I saw from him was the new TWEWY (which I didn't play btw)

>>715196998
that feeling of nothing at all is what 3 gave me though
1's routes are very short so i wish they were a bit longer and had more to them aswell but they're fun to blitz through

>>715197152
his early 2000s art is undefeated. i don't hate his new style but i don't really care much for it either.
Akihiko Yoshida is probably my current favorite vidya artist.

>>715172623
Both of them are fine because they still have the original spirit of FF Disney collaboration before all the bullshit convoluted plot and characters start creeping in right after.

>>715173903
The [important part of the] plot of coded is literally making the main cast aware of just how much suffering is going on behind the scenes, Nobody before coded had any reason to be sad, and even though i despise how DDD characterises sora for the most part, to his credit he at the very least has a heart to heart with roxas and aknowledges that he has a right to exist and that he will do right by him, and then as much as i also hate how kh3 shoved all the important stuff into the last half of the final act, Sora at the very least makes good on what DDD set up.

>>715170682 (OP)

Combat is somewhat refined by KH2 and it has some pretty nice worlds and music BUT KH 1 reign supreme by virtue of the simplicity of it´s design.

KH is about 2 childhood friends fighting over the heart of a girl. One of them chooses the path of light and basically being a good guy that helps other while the other chooses to pursue his own goals even if it means going through a dark path that hurts others. That´s it. And it´s beautiful.

There really was no need to explore heartless, nobodies or make a pseudo science of hearts and darkness and whatnot. That´s just convoluted and distracting.

>>715197710
but Roxas doesn't have a right to exist anymore than the likes of Xemnas does. He and his kind are literal abominations

>>715197338
It's between him and Kobayashi Tomomi (SaGa series mostly) for me.

>>715198009
Shut the fuck up DiZ

Lets all agree, this was the perfect ending
>I'm back
>You're home

>>715199279
series could've ended right there

>>715199279
why are goofy and donald there? isn;t he supposed to be alone

>>715199436
That's a point where the fuck did they come from? They were alone with riku in the realm of darkness.

>>715199346
unfortunately consoomers will never let go and would rather hold their nose and swallow garbage for decades while mindbreaking themselves into believing it's good as long as they keep getting more

>>715199279
it would be if not for the specter of fully formed Ansem/Xehanort. When they elaborated on nobodies/heartless and Sora needing his full power by refusing with Roxas my mind immediately jumped to what the full version of that fucker would be like. Now of course that turned into a colossal, convoluted disappointment, but that's another issue

>>715199346
At least Sora and co's story should've ended there. BBS and stuff could be fine if it was more detached from the previous games..

>>715199436
>>715199535
Donald and Goofy left through the Dark Portal before the final boss
they were all waiting for Sora and Riku

>>715199725
i meant that cutscene. I am pretty sure Sora is alone there at the end of KH2

>>715199969
no he's not, they greeted him

>>715200026
i'm stuborn I dont wanna google it so I will just drop it :D

>>715199969
There's no other cutscene where sora appears in Destiny Islands in 2.

>SSS tier action game vs middling zelda take-off
nah bro

>>715200096
>>715200026
Yea, its my memory remembering more emotional then it was. Still, for me personally its the ending of the series

>>715200384
>Still, for me personally its the ending of the series
That I can agree with.

KH2FM is my comfort game

Heartless and nobodies are the only good enemies.
Unverse suck despite what they actually represent and the less said about Dream Eaters the better.

the real truth people are too afraid to acknowledge
theyre all good

>>715201617
This, every game has its merits and is worth playing through at least once.

>>715201617
Nah, Union-X was pretty stinky.

Admit it. You cried during this scene.

>>715183648
KH1's combat is boring because you blitz through the game with special attacks along with functionally infinite heals. Everything you list doesn't matter because ultimately the way you play KH1 doesn't interact with any of it beyond KH1 forcing you intro choosing magic and getting rid of the sword as the undebatable best choice unlike how KH2 and KH3 don't really have that. You pick shield if you want a crutch with early defensive abilities but that's it.
I'm sick of KH1 nostalgiafags.

>>715199346
Yep and you are 100% correct.
>b-but the hidden ending!
added in Final Mix which people forget is a PS2 game. It wasn't planned. The events after KH2 were shoehorned hard

in other /comfy/ action-adventure games like KH1 and 2? i'm so in the mood to be absorbed

Simple and Clean or Sanctuary?

>>715191927
>doesnt know about kemono

>>715202372
光

>>715202374
>he thoughted I posted before looking there

>>715201717
nah it was alright

>>715170682 (OP)

>>715170682 (OP)
I’ve always said this but was verbally destroyed for years

>>715201717
It was fun, also the story was the wildest of rides, even Dark Road was fun to see.

>>715202372
simple and clean
IS THE WAY THAT YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL TONIGHT, ITS HARD TO LET GO

>>715202065
>functionally infinite heals.
KH2 gives you literally infinite MP without having to play actively. KH1 locks MP behind limited resources like Ethers and the need to attack to refill it.

>>715182075
>Darkness of the Unknown
Kino. The KH2 OST also got a legitimate glowup for the HD version, which almost never happens.

>>715212343
man you weren't kidding
just relistened and compared the two after years of not hearing either and its insane how much better the HD version is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XINT4XNsmS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JV25709Hs

>>715170682 (OP)
been saying this forever but everyone argued with me

im fucking RIGHT

>>715172623
KH1 only win when it comes to atmosphere and world design and just barely. KH2 indisputably has better music. Tension Rising and Rowdy Rumble alone wins it for KH2.

I refuse to compare 1 and 2. Just like I refuse to compare Xenoblade 1, 2 and 3. Both are great. If anything compare 1 and 2 to everything else in the Kingdom Hearts series because everything after was worse. Chain of Memories was also quality.

>>715212951
That makes Two?! of us.

>>715199279
Its all DBZ Super from this point. inferior art style and all.

>>715172623
We need another Cavern of Remembrance kind of thing where its a dungeon that leads to superbosses. That was cool.

>>715170682 (OP)
KH2 is a massive upgrade in gameplay but the story seriously bogs it down to an extreme degree. How was Nomura able to hold in all of the overly complicated gay retard anime bullshit for 1? It's truly amazing. Obviously there's anime shit but the story is very simple, it's unintentionally or not simplistic in a "disney" way.

>>715213597
Except make the dungeon actually fun instead of just an ability and level check.

>>715213672
Disney checked out after 1 and just said "make us another." They only tuned back in for 3, and were a totally different beast by then.

Does KH1 have the best final dungeon in any game? I think so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OqmsioEQQ8

>>715213781
It's more that disney checked in after noticing that the first one made money.

>>715173903
>t just makes him look like an asshole after watching Roxas fight for his own life and friends and being forced to give back to Sora.
>And Sora never really ammends or acknowledges that in any satisfying way.
Anon?

>>715213597
Comfy too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey8wSKvxWfI

>>715213672
1 has a ton of anime shit. It’s just backloaded.

>>715213908
Nomura said that Disney was way more hands off with 2.

>>715172623
KH1's combat is good once you understand its quirks. It's the boss design that is absolute shit.

1 is nothing but anime shit but with disney flavor. You people are crazy

>>715179865
I found it pretty funny in KH3 when he goes fucking ham on Davy Jones

>>715214062
which is weird because the disney worlds in 2 feel more like 1:1 recreations of the movie plots, whereas each world in kh1 had an original storyline and was better for it

Any mods for KH1?

>>715214151
I found it lazy how they just regurgitate the Disney movies nearly scene for scene. Made the Disney segments in 1 and 2 look like masterpieces in comparison and even those were close to the movie events.

>>715214360
That shit was particularly awful with Frozen. At least Toy Story and Monsters Inc had fun by doing something original with em

>>715214423
The team had all the assets to make Elsa's palace a great dungeon, then Cali said "no, fuck you." So sad.

>>715214147
when people say "anime" in the context of KH they're mostly using it as a quick way to describe how overly convoluted the plot stuff is. KH1 has good pacing and straight forward characters, there aren't any big twists and it literally has 4 original characters while everyone else is classic disney characters mixed with a handful of FF guys.

KH1 had the superior Xemnas fight

>>715214761
When I say anime I mean cringe and/or terrible dialog and completely unoriginal.

>>715214984
Mechanically, that fight is absolutely horrendous.

>>715172845

>>715182637
KH1 combat is shit and is solely based around spamming OP magic attacks (because combat is shit)

Finally got around to doing a full playthrough of Re Chain of Memories recently. Aside from the cutscenes I still prefer the GBA origy

KH1 is the best if you are a child or a mature adult
KH2 is the best if you are a stunted teenager

>>715215456
KH1 is best if you are a try hard contrarian trying to look cool on the internet.

>>715215607
found the stunted teenager

>>715172623
The correct post

>>715214423
Yeah, Rapunzel and Flynn had enough chemistry with SDG that I could give the tangled world somewhat of a pass but Arendell is just a pure slog

I will never forgive KH2 for removing all the puzzles and adventure

>>715181667
>final fantasy fans
They dropped KH and Nomura ages ago when there were no more FF characters in the game, right around KH took a nosedive.

>>715215664

>>715214761
>there aren't any big twists
Bullshit. The final boss is literally a twist anime villain that came out of nowhere and replaces Maleficent the properly built up Disney villain.

>>715215732
The Tangled world still had the issue where large chunks of the movie just happen off screen so unless you've seen it you'll be lost about shit that happens

>>715215845
The Final Fantasy characters were always just glorified cameos so Square could trick edgy teens into playing a game with kiddy cartoon characters. Once KH was established the FF characters were no longer needed.

>>715215664
kino

>>715216062
To be fair, it didn't really come out of nowhere. The "Ansem notes" were hinted at all over the game, and he was busy being a vague asshole around Sora. It was a twist, but well executed one.

Which I liked it when "Ansem" was a just a mad scientist who wanted to learn more about the monsters literally made out of a evil, which lead to his downfall brought on by his own hubris and not...whatever the fuck Xehanort's real plan was, and by proxy MoM's main evil plan.

>>715216385
KH1 and 2 they were legitmate parts of the cast, more than the non-Mickey and friends Disney characters were anyway. Frankly even though they're the main selling factor, when the fuck has any of the Disney characters ever been important to the plot past KH1? At most they're glorified exposition machines and worst literal filler.

>>715216803
well they do keep pretending and teasing that Maleficent and Pete will do something eventually

It's actually kind of crazy how these remasters didn't get fucked as far as aesthetics go unlike most others.

>>715214147
you are replying to gay fat redditors and underage discord zoomers anon

>>715217023
I mean they completely ruined the color scheme on practically every enemy and boss

>>715217023
The PS4 version was hot fucking mess when it came out, though, and KH1's sound effects are still jacked.

>>715215607
yup. pretty much

>>715173903
That's the reason I like the DDD cutscene of Sora talking with Roxas,he acknowledges Roxas sacrifice and learns about his pain
>>715213943
Anon that's DDD, KH2 Sora is a fucking asshole with the Nobodies, he talks shit about them even after watching DiZ showing remorse for how he treated Roxas and Axel's sacrifice

>>715170682 (OP)
I played these recently and actually KH2 blows the fuck out of the first game and is not even close. You are retarded. No game in the series is better than KH2.

>>715183278
and more interesting parries, and more interesting blocking, and more interesting movement...
2's combat is all spectacle, no substance at all.

>>715217625
KH2 sora is an alpha
>straight up calling nobodies out on not having a heart

>>715217625
>he acknowledges Roxas sacrifice and learns about his pain
none of his 3 or 4 resolutions with roxas satisfying is the point

simply having one isn't satisfying
its totally unearned
sora is still a naive goofy asshole
he hasn't learned or grown from anything

>>715217493
That was a Final Mix thing, and not to do with remastering.

>>715170682 (OP)
People try to fight about which one's best, I just play both games on a yearly basis and always have a good time.

>>715217736
funny I played them both recently and KH1 is so obviously the best game it's hard to even finish KH2

>Started making an AU fanfic of the first KH the other day with Dreamworks/Universal instead of Disney and Nintendo instead of SE
All my years of autism has lead to this.

>>715217754
and the remasters used final mix colors

>>715217959
theres some comprehensive quality of life mod(s) that allow(s) you to switch between

>>715218124
Right, which has nothing to do with how the game released

>>715217959
I've kinda grown on some of these. The recolored power wild blends in better with the bamboo forest

>>715218218
the remasters didnt alter the color schemes, and you're trying to blame them for it

>>715217959
I'm so conflicted. The FM Angel Star colors look so much better, and I like Stealth Sneak's tribal tats.

>>715218321
you seem retarded, sorry your brain doesn't function
>>715218263
some of them are neutral or even better in some ways, some like the trickmaster and parasite cage are disgustingly bad

KH1's camera/menu controls were better on PS2, the remake fucked them up and completely missed the point

>>715188721
>schwarzgeist
Oh shit now I see why an arranged version of 'Thermosphere' from Einhander is on the soundtrack.

>>715217959
No matter the color scheme Bouncywilds can still bounce on it

>>715200329
>KH2
>SSS-tier action game
lol
lmao even

>>715217625
Sora isn't really in any position to do anything for Roxas in KH2. He wishes he could have met him (not knowing that the guy he fought was Roxas for some reason), and when he sees him again Roxas seems pretty happy to hang out with Namine through Kairi

>>715197710
Re:Coded really went off the rails once you hit Castle Oblivion. Surprisingly it also had some of the best gameplay out of the series.

>>715218396
Purple is my favourite colour so I get how you're hurting

>>715170682 (OP)
I really like how heavy the combat in KH1 is, it really shows that Sora was just a kid in terms of fighting focusing mostly on brute strength

>>715218514
I vastly prefer how things turned out (Roxas x Xion and Riku x Namine). The ending of 2 always gave me a weird vibe. Roxas barely knew Namine at all, and it never felt like they had chemistry.

>>715217959
I miss the old colors. I know there's on a mod on PC to fix them, but I think a good chunk of the newer ones kinda suck. They lean too much on yellow/brighter colors.

>Fat Bandits have a 2% chance at dropping Firaga Rings if you kill them by smacking their stomachs when they're charging up their fire breath attack
>If you time a Blizzard right when Fat Bandits are about to do the breath attack, they'll "swallow" it and become staggered as a result
>Using Gravity on the Battleship Heartless will also break it down in parts, but if you're looking to get as much Munny as you can, it's better to target switch to individual parts and shoot them with a Firaga so you don't destroy the main ship itself in about two casts
>They can also fire cure bullets at their allies, but if you’re smart, you can actually fly into their trajectory, intercept them, and be healed yourself
>In Captain Hook’s boss fight, he holds his sword up to the sky to nullify Thunder spells, which you can abuse to get quick openings
>You can also set his ass on fire and have him run around the place and with the right setup, when you launch him out the boat and he flutters back in, you can Stop him in the air and wail on him from there
>If you use the Gravity spell on Maleficent’s floating platform in her first boss fight, it will be instantly brought down.
>the game even subtly builds up to this by having you use Gravity on a couple of floating chests throughout Hollow Bastion to bring them down
>If you use the opposite element spell of an attack a Defender is using, you can stun them and get tons of tech points that way
These details alone are why I vastly prefer KH1 over 2.

I still haven't beaten KH3.... there's something about that game that makes me soo fucking bored, and KH2 and KH1 are one of my most replayed games of all time

>>715218771
>>They can also fire cure bullets at their allies
fuck, I'd thought the shark slamming itself into the wall and stunning himself was the last thing I didn't know about the game but I'm still learning new stuff

>>715218771
You can freeze the bubbles in Hollow Bastion.

>>715218771
KH1 has so many unique player-agent interactions that it’s nuts.
>you can just jump straight up onto Darkside’s arm and attack its head to get tech points
>in the Trickmaster fight, you can not only use Blizzard to put out the fires on its batons, but you can ALSO use it on the fire in the fireplace to put it out and stop it from lighting them in the first place
>parrying Guard Armor’s spin attacks sends it down flat on its ass
>casting Fire at Riku-Ansem will cause him to counter back with Dark Firaga, which you can deflect back at him for a ton of tech points
>when the Wizard Heartless get spam happy with Thunder and turns invulnerable, you can just use Aerora/Aeroga’s contact damage to get past that state and still hurt it
The game is full of shit like this. One detail that always blows my mind is how the Destiny Island fights are not just tutorials for the overall game but for the later fights against the Final Fantasy characters in Olympus.

>>715218771
if you kill maleficent before doing any colisseum content she will just never show up in the cutscenes

>>715201617
The only game that had kinda meh gameplay was Roxas. The enemy AI was extremely simple and everything was a damage sponge, so everything just felt like a slog. Even the super boss amounted to dodging the same 3-4 attacks over and over.

>>715218771
Is this what people call emergent gameplay?

>>715218819
KH3 is KH2 but with its soul, "heart", and everything else that made it fun and charming drained like a fucking leech.

The Frozen world still pisses me off to think about due to how unforgivably dogshit it is.

>>715219402
no

>>715219402
It's just level and enemy design. Sadly, a lost art.

>>715219412
it's the ultimate proof that Kingdom hearts was a fluke that could never be made today. Disney only let KH1 be as good as it was because they had no faith in the project.

>>715218771
>you can freeze the bubbles in hollow bastion to walk on them
>in Neverland, Sora doesn't have a shadow until you defeat the Shadow boss
>Pressing triangle when locked onto an enemy will have D&G attack that enemy and pressing triangle when not locked on will bring them to your location. The game never mentions anywhere that you can do this, only in the original manual of the game.

>>715217959
Every single one of these reskins sucks total ass, with the exception of the Fat Bandit. It's like they added a piss filter to everybody

>>715219379
If you do Monstro after beating Hollow Bastion, you'll get a weird British Riku that confuses Sora.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHf0evYnvew

>>715219610
and they hated it for decades, until they ran marvel and star wars into the ground, and started looking for anything that wasn't shit yet to make worse

>>715219695
theres another where if you do wonderland after jungle and colliseum the villains are bringing in snow white instead of alice

>>715218771
>>715219274
>>715219624
>The throwable pumpkins that explode in Halloween Town also have a chance to Crit, meaning you can potentially get Mystery Goo or even Mold if you kill one of the black mushrooms with it
>Large Bodies and Fat Bandits aren't *completely* immune on their front side, you can jump and smack them on the head and it'll deal damage just like if you were hitting from behind. You can also attack them from the sides and magic pierces ALL of their defenses.
>The stated ability of Zantetsuken is its ability to instantly defeat regular enemies, but it's not actually programmed to have that as a special property. What it actually does is 300% Gravity damage, which means it instantly defeats enemies (300% of its health) and high damage to bosses, so when a boss (like Unknown) is weak to Gravity, it'll do a LOT
>You can just do the barrel challenges in Olympus Colliesum in order to get Thunder and then dip out, which you can then go to Wonderland and use said spell on the Trickmaster boss to stun the hell out of it
>Casting Blizzard on all the fires in Olympus coliseum gets you a reward, casting Blizzaga on all of them gets you another

>>715202080
The hidden ending is also in standard KH2, anon.

>>715219874
i don't quite believe you on this one

>>715186998
What character?

>>715219753
Well they'll have Star Ears in KH4, only S New Hope so no prequels sequels at least.

>>715220008
I thought I was the ultimate KH1 scholar.
>>715220092
It's real, but not very exciting. It's 99.9% the same scene.

>>715220092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxjskWeC-hk
this is the scene, she shows up at the very end

Why didn't Mickey ever pop open a portal to get Aqua out?

>>715220008
If I'm not mistaken all thrown items crit always

>>715220257
>>715220275
neat this game keeps throwing surprises

> kh1 pause menu adopts the color of the pixel in the center of the camera when you pause

>>715219624
>Pressing triangle when locked onto an enemy will have D&G attack that enemy and pressing triangle when not locked on will bring them to your location.
What makes this especially funny is that you can cast Aeroga on them and then have them gang up on the enemy to damage them with Aeroga’s contact damage. Basically V before DMC5 was even a thing.

>>715216803
Disney characters pretty much just there for the vibe of the worlds and so you can see your favorite Disney character fight alongside the guy you're controlling

>>715220732
>pause game
>your party is chad striding in the menu
more games should do this

>>715220313
Didn't know she was in there. In BBS she runs off and is never seen again until 0.2, where he sees her for five minutes. Then Riku and Mickey are somehow able to get out the Realm of Darkness and into Castle Oblivion. They had their own shit to deal with at that point. 3 even shows that Riku and Mickey couldn't handle the Realm of Darkness by themselves, and that's when Riku has gotten stronger.

>>715220789
The final boss is actually insanely easy if you just pop aeroga on D&G when you free them

>>715182089
They sell regardless, so at some point I guess they stopped caring.

I wonder what Kurt Zisa is doing these days
I would put that shit on my resume

>>715220930
If you actually turn the camera when Ansem starts his ultimate attack, the effects behind you look really cool.

>>715215607
yeah

>>715183852
Dude fuuuuck that cope get out your GBA or emulator and play the OG release.

>>715220093
being a sassy tomby tease

>>715220812
So...filler

>>715221158
>replying to yourself
Lame

>>715221229
meds

>>715170682 (OP)
Yeah gameplay doesn't matter. Only vibes matter. KH2 sucks

>>715221224
Yes, but fun filler

>>715221387
Mostly. For every Halloween Town or Port Royale there's an Atlantica or Neverland

>game is supposed to be final fantasy and disney crossover
>third game has no final fantasy characters other than 1 cuscene during the dlc
>its only characters from final fantasy games that Nomura was involved in.
>one game has the world ends with you crossover
i think its i know what crossover will be in kh4

>>715222068
dissida was supposed to be a KH game but disney didn't want their characters murdering eachother

>>715170682 (OP)
>Playing Square + Disney slop at all
Disgusting.

>>715222068
>The one SE game I want to be in KH the most and makes the most sense will never ever have the chance

kh2 is dogshit and people who like it are unironically stupid for that taste

kh1 is better in pretty much every regard
but especially combat

>>715222193
It was actually nomura that didn't want that. Disney didn't care/ know.

>>715222068
bouncer world in kh4 would be neat, Pence already has the dog street shirt

>>715222834
wouldnt even need a whole world, could just have a brawling beat em up section involving sion with an announcer voice introducing sora as a gag/callback to the game.

>>715172623
When you're right you're right

>>715170682 (OP)
Nah KH2 feels much better gameplay wise

>>715215158
>he didn't pick Sword
FILTERED

>>715170682 (OP)
Sure, if we are taking vanilla releases but kh2fm mogs kh1 and fm hard and its not even close.

>>715222576
Too kino for KH at this point if Im being honest.

One thing I think is often overlooked is how fucking dull the opening of KH1 is. People like to shit on Roxas/Twilight Town in KH2 but Traverse Town in KH1 is so much worse. Destiny Islands is good but it takes forever to actually meet up with Donald and Goofy and it is not fun at all.

With that said, KH1 has a much better story, a much better atmosphere, and much more interesting level design. KH2 has better bosses, better combat, and better gummi ships but that's just about all the good stuff I can say about it. I also think that too many people forget how much FM added to KH2. Vanilla was a fun game but not nearly the 'greatest action game of all time' that people like to tout it as. Vanilla KH1 > KH2. KH1FM = KH2FM.

>>715186998
She was always shit and I'm tired of low standards desperate LOSERS pretending Kairi is this great character because Kingdom Hearts is a fujo series. Let me put to you like this even a Zelda game with minimal female characters those females are superior to shit like Kairi. That's how terrible Kairi is.

And she's not even sexy I've seen Pokemon human trainers hotter than Kairi. Kairi is shit. And I hate how I have to tolerate you cunts. Kingdom Hearts has many flaws Kairi was a game one flaw. She was always a bad idea, you really needed a fucking redhead with blue eyes to be a princess of heart? Use Ariel from Little Mermaid. Certainly helps Sora and Ariel have a neat chemistry. And that's the crux of it, Kairi is bland shit with no chemistry with anyone not even with Sora. Bitch should have stayed dead when she got killed off TWICE! You hear me she was killed off TWICE and the bad writing revived her.

Fuck I hate what has become of this series. At least when Maria got killed off in Sonic she stayed dead. At least in Silent Hill when Alessa got reincarnated her mind of ever being Alessa was deleted. Death should be final. Damn Nomura and Nojima no wonder Aerith got "killed" in FF7 Remake but she's still alive anyway.

>>715170682 (OP)
KH1 had the worst platforming. I'm amazed how KH1 babies think KH1 is the best game in the series despite having the worst movement in the series.

>>715226857
Nomura just hates writing any female character that isn't a goth girl.

you're giving me....

>>715227014
Too many things... lately...

>>715226986
Nah he's pretty bad at doing goth girls. Nomura's idea of a goth girl is....as it turns out she's Super Nice Ultra Bland Kindness. This is what happened to Larxene once it was revealed that in her human form she was a lovy dovy type for Marluxia I was disappointed. Nomura is atrocious at creating female characters. He really is bad. And allowing Nojima to be part of the writing team does him no favors.

>>715170682 (OP)
The real question is does Kingdom Hearts have a future of selling great? I'm not seeing it. Kingdom Hearts 4 has nothing interesting going on, I mean who wants to go to Disney movies like Elio which is Disney's recent failure? No one.

They ran out of good Disney media. And Kingdom Hearts 4 deserves failure. The story became too shitty to forgive.

>>715226264
how can I be filtered by a game that I easily 100%?
Picking staff and sword is the only choice retard

>>715214360
To be fair Disney wouldn't let them do shit. Only Pixar let them have any fun with their worlds.

>>715173525
Doesn't help that Xehanort has NEVER been Sora's villain. Lets do a quick rundown....

Ansem SoD - He targeted Riku.
Xemnas - Wanted Roxas as he considered Roxas a better capable keyblade wielder to gather hearts from the Heartless.
Young Xehanort - Again he explained he wanted Riku and if not him Roxas as a vessel.
Old Master Xehanort - He wanted Terra and his scheme mostly hurt Non Sora characters.

Sora has no business being the protagonist. He's literally an interloper who interferes in the affairs of people who have NOTHING to do with him besides only Riku given that's his best friend. The only antagonist in Kingdom Hearts that has ever shown interest in Sora exclusively is Marluxia during Chain of Memories. Him aside the series is NOT about Sora. And the Master of Masters has nothing to do with Sora unless they reveal he IS Sora. Same way Vanitas inexplicably looks like Sora (yes I know why he looks like that its still stupid).

>>715217489
Young generations don't give a damn about Kingdom Hearts. To them its embarrassing fan fiction trash enjoyed by old farts.

>>715227832
>Sora has no business being the protagonist.
This was already resolved in KH1. He isn't the chosen one, but with all the odds stacked against him he rose up and kicked ass, meaning the Keyblade chose him after all. Riku, Tera, Xehanort and other luminaries destined for greatness fell to darkness. Sora, a temporary courier, didn't, and ended up becoming the worthy bearer by the end. It doesn't matter if they don't focus on him. Sora is fixated on them and kicking their ass.

>>715173903
I agree even to this day seeing Sora act like a retard in KH3 to the point Larxene complained "Bitch did you actually forget who I am?" That really clenches it. Seeing Sora be all Super Retarded because he remembers Namine but can't remember Marluxia and Larxene out of "convenience" aka Shit Writing simply makes me hate the character Nomura presents Sora. I wonder if Nomura understands how shitty Sora comes across in the cut scenes. The only Square Enix characters who are stupider than Sora are Lann from World of Final Fantasy and Snow from Final Fantasy 13. But Sora himself is plenty fucking stupid, enough to hurt this series.

>>715228041
>He isn't the chosen one

Union Cross and Dark Road actually contradicted this. Sora IS the chosen one he's one of the candidates for Children of Destiny. A child of destiny is capable of housing hearts of others within theirs as a unique power. Sora has done this, he's not normal. He's not an underdog he is special. And if the crown motif means anything Sora is God on Earth he's simply unaware that he's God.

>>715199551
Consumers nothing Kingdom Hearts 2 always left itself open to sequels. It injected sequel bait even more so during the Final Mix edition.

>>715216650
Ansem SoD was fun. I like how he just went "You know what? GG. Good luck." when he is defeated in KH3

what causes this

>>715227832
That's the point. Sora isn't a chosen one. He just stepped up and got shit done anyway with his bros

>These deleted posts
This anon must've pissed in the janny's hotpocket in a different thread.

>>715172623
I will say I think 1 had better overall gameplay. 2 combat feels very nice but 1 lends better to the RPG mechanics and new skills and spells feel more substantial with how slow and clunky Sora is at the start (which is appropriate as he is a kid learning to wield a giant key).
KH2 is a lot flashier, rightfully so as the sequel and has better bosses, but the feeling of progression in KH1 and stuff like tech just fits perfectly with the overall flow of the game and its atmosphere.

>>715172623
Pretty much. KH1 felt like the only one where the disney worlds actually mattered to some degree. KH2FM gameplay is top tier though

>>715229296
is that the lady who tries to seduce sora in the manga?

KH4
>Replaced the villain from KH1-3 with comic relief Marvel quipping mobile gacha character who appeared in 2 cutscenes in the actual games for 6 minutes and 36 seconds
>Organization XIII is replaced with mobile gacha characters who have cardboard one dimensional personalities and appeared in 1 cutscene for 2 minutes and 55 seconds in the actual games
>In order to understand backstory you need to play mobile gacha (WHICH IS OFFLINE NOW)
>Another mobile gacha that was supposed to contain crucial backstory got cancelled
>QTEs
>Strong woman representation
>Unreal Engine 5
>Nomura is retiring and giving away the franchise to literally who
IT'S OVER

>>715229612
it's just yanderefag

>>715230858
>>Strong woman representation
>in KH

>you'll never experience hollow bastion for the first time ever again

>>715231209
Every game starting with KH has more and more feminism propaganda tho

>>715170682 (OP)
I like both but 2 has better gameplay so I like it more. Anyways its an opinion not a fact

>>715230858
>Strong woman
You do know this is Kingdom Hearts right?

>>715231291
>>715231282

>>715231223
This scene is forever engraved in my mind and no KH game after as ever topped it
https://youtu.be/8gPp6aB8QQE?si=XfohtVTxuyane8Cn

>>715231315
They are doing a shit job at it, Aqua is a retarded jobber and the less said about Kairi the better. That's not getting into female villains that either do nothing (Maleficent) or are worse than previous versions of themselves.

>>715230858
>Strong woman representation
You lost, son? The sole woman with actual character got thrown the "nice girl" conversion machine ages ago.

>>715231395
In KH3 there are like 4 strong female characters who fight alongside men and in the last game Kairi (girl with no fighting expierience) literally defeats Xehanort (villain of the series for 20 years) in a fight.

>>715231568
You best not talking shit about Xion.

>>715231315
Is this before or after Kairi's only game had her reliving things Sora did, lose to a memory to a guy who murdered her, and only won because a memory of Sora had to help her becuse she was literally too weak to beat a memory.

>>715231658
>Is this before a girl with no fighting expirience defeated the villain of the series
No, that's just the worst example currently, but KH4 is going to be even worse

>>715231568
>Kairi
Has minimal training and gets btfo. Then needs to be carried by Sora in the DLC
>Aqua
Gets btfo constantly

Who are the other two?

>>715170682 (OP)
I've always agreed with that. KH2's combat might be more involved but I still like 1's combat as a more grounded approach. Every other point, 1 does it better than 2. KH2 is 80% combat, 20% minigames. I blame their decision to have the drive forms dictate the movement abilities since it means they couldn't design the worlds with them in mind, otherwise the game would eventually just force you to grind for them.

>>715231771
She didn't defeat him though, she couldn't even defeat a fake version of him, she had to summon a fake version of her bf to beat him

>kairi will be relevant
Depends. Is Disney still shilling girlbosses?

>>715172623
KH1 is nostalgic but man some of the level design is so poor and boring. I would rather replay KH2 a thousand times over before going back to KH1.

>>715231890
Xion is probably the 3rd one, which is still bullshit because she's Sora so she has a reason for it.
I have no clue who the 4th is. It's not Namine because all she did was give Sora prep talk when Terranort btfo'd everyone.

>>715231890
God Aqua is such a worthless character

>>715232318
I think people are overly critical of KH1 level design, every level isn't Deep Jungle.

>>715232334
Maybe Larxene but she's on team villain and also gets btfo.

>>715231890
>Has minimal training and gets btfo.
Retard, the fact that women fight alongside men is feminism propaganda in itself. Women can't fight with men on equal terms
>Then needs to be carried by Sora in the DLC
She still defeats the villain of the series in a fight which is one of the worst examples of feminism pandering in video games
>Gets btfo constantly
What the fuck are you talking about?
She defeats Xehanort in BBS, defeats Vanitas like 2 times, fights with giant monsters constantly. In 3 she fights on equal grounds with Vanitas who is literally Darkness. And again women can't fight with men on equal terms
>Who are the other two?
Larxene and Xion

>>715232359
She makes my dick hard, that's some worth

>>715232471
>Retard, the fact that women fight alongside men is feminism propaganda in itself. Women can't fight with men on equal terms
Nigger this is a JRPG series, that shit has ALWAYS been a trope.

>>715232219
It sucks that Disney has some weird autism against Oswald, because having him be Kairi's Mickey to help her git gud could be fun. Where Mickey helped Riku chill out, Oswald could could help Kairi be tougher

>>715170682 (OP)
Is this supposed to be controversial. Pretty much everyone thought Kingdom Hearts 2 was garbage when it came out. The only thing people still remember about Kingdom Hearts nowadays is Simple and Clean

>>715232565
So if JRPGs had eating shit as a trope you would also defend that?

>>715232606
I'm still pissed that Keyblade armour doesn't come up more. Lingering Will is a design that will always live in my head rent free.

>>715232670
I'm saying it's a weird thing to get hung up on and saying that is going to be something introduced more in Kingdom Hearts when this has been a trope for ages.
Nigger, Larxene has been a thing since CoM, why is she suddenly a problem now?

>>715232672
Lingering Will is still top tier
>Your body submits...Your heart succumbs...SO WHY DOES YOUR MIND RESIST!?

>>715232743
>I'm saying it's a weird thing to get hung up on a game having feminism propaganda
Well a tranny like you might not care but normal people do.

>>715187260
The gummi ship missions in 1 were kind of boring but I loved them in 2. It's like a roller coaster, the whole thing just starts at 100% energy and never goes down.
The one thing I hate is that doing the missions requires some specific restrictions and having to build the ship for this one mission is annoying. I'd rather the game just give me a specific ship for those missions.

>>715232794
Did you shit and piss your pants at every female party member in Final Fantasy? Dragon Quest?

>>715232854
Donut Ship too strong

>>715232792

>>715232880
It depends on whether women fight with brute strength or magic. If it's magic is fine

>>715232792
>Get to BBS
>Find out who was the original guy that the armour belonged to
>Get disappointed.
That was a lot of my experience with BBS actually. I don't get why they had to explain why Roxas looked different to Sora, Xemnas and Ansem SoD looked different enough I could buy that nobodies just are built different.

>>715232471
You are utterly deranged.

>>715233156
>No argument

>>715232606
Oswald should be Mickey's Riku. He even has blue pants.

Anyone else glad that this stupid fucking thing has served its' purpose and is no longer the big mcguffin?

>>715172623
World design in KH1 sucked ass, never understand this meme that it was good

>>715233196
Whats there to argue? Your point exists in a realm of delusion. There is not a single thing I could say to you that you wouldn't dismiss outright.
It's a video game. You are deranged and autistic.

I really hate Sora's character assassination as the years went on. He was always a little dumb but he's outright fucking retarded by the time 3 rolls around

>>715233463
To be fair the dude got mind fucked and level reset multiple times over the course of the series.

Be honest, how many times did it take?
Bonus question: Did you get baited by the Kupo Coin?

>>715233362
What didn't you like about it? Plenty of nooks and crannies, different elevations, things to find. My only complain is that some worlds like Hook's ship was easy to get turned around with the rooms being a bit too small for their own good.
Compare that to KH2. Hallway, hallway, hallway. Cave of Remembrance is the only part that isn't just a hallway but also requires a fair amount of grinding to get the required movement abilities to cross it.

>>715232152
Makes it worse that they actually designed some areas with optional high jump in mind in Hollow Bastion in 1. There's one optional area that has some pushable blocks that help you navigate in case you skipped monstro.

>>715233637
I never did.

>>715210031
If you're relying on the MP cooldown then you're going to die. Efficient MP use relies on items. Whereas in KH1 if you get hit once you're given enough MP to heal off any damage you took because the MP system is broken.

>>715226857
She's a sexy red-haired girl who is in love with the MC(me). That's all she needs to be. Also, like always, the ENG version of the games ruined her playful personality.

>>715233637
I don't know but it was a lot

>>715201617
Days had some neat ideas but pretty damn boring to play through. A couple of those bosses are the worst in the series.

>>715191946
I don't see it. A better comparison would be Doom 2016 and Eternal.

>>715235226

>>715235226
>Spoiler
Very apt comparison, well done.