What causes people to boot lick gaming mega corps?

>>715241992 (OP)
Pirat is part of the industry

>>715241992 (OP)
>boot lick
I have leftie fatigue

>>715241992 (OP)
he's getting a lot of attention out of this right? after this has blown over he'll probably have a larger following than he had before

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Levi now
https://www.twitch.tv/yatonolevi

>>715242185
He lost 140,000 subscribers

>>715241992 (OP)
atheism

>>715242208
Ever since I heard they were in outer space I haven’t been able to shake the feeling of anxiety

>>715241992 (OP)
He's an industry plant in content creation, nobody cared about this faggot until they started putting fucktons of money into putting his content ahead in algorithms. He gets paid to say what the industry wants him to say.

>>715242242
She fucks black men

>your movement is supported by TrannyKritikal, Poodahar, JewdiePie
Honestly I hope your reddit movement falls flat on its ass

>>715242365
DO NOT REDEEM THE PETITION

>>715242348
based

>>715242348
no cap?

>boot licker.
>immediately runs to the government over something that which could easily be resolved if people thought about the topic for just one second.
Whose the boot licker here?

From my experience arguing on this, when someone does give a root reason the most common source is a hatred of regulation of any kind

I've never been called a commie more than I have when debating this on here

>>715242503 (you)

>>715242503
niggers are

>>715242348
do you have video evidence? just to uhhh confirm haha

>>715242261
oh damn, he's losing more than he's gaining? usually these dramafests are good for the targets, they get more famous and people pay them lots of attention

>>715242535
I don't know how, but somehow many people have been convinced that literally any regulation is bad and will argue against them to death.

>>715242535
>I've never been called a commie more than I have when debating this on here
You're dealing with cultural marxists.

>>715242073
Well his dad is

>>715241992 (OP)
its a good movement that has been spoiled by the anti-capitalist useful idiots
if they just picked a realistic goal e.g. outlawing always online DRM that can brick singleplayer games at EOL, then they might actually get something done
but no they instead go for "no one should ever be able to end service of a game ever for any reason" with the question of "how is this possible" left unanswered. somehow imagining that the decrepit technologically illiterate boomers in politics will be able to think of a reasonable law that solves all the problems
some of it is surely astroturfed but they are way too easy to trick into going against their own interests, you just call anyone trying to make something more focused and useful out of the ridiculous vague goal a bootlicker or corporate shill, thus ensuring that the entire movement will never actually achieve anything

>>715241992 (OP)
You used a stupid example of an "important" dead game, and disingenuous+unfeasible arguments to support your ideological push for "reform"

That was enough for me to suspect you faggots were up to no good.

The insufferable, cultlike, terroristic behavior from your secondaries only convinced me further that whatever this is actually about, it will have a horrible outcome for everyone involved.

>>715242902
Every good negotiator knows you don't start from a position that you'd begrudgingly accept, you start by asking for more than you think you'll get

>>715243047
hi jason

>>715243084
but they arent negotiating anything, they just are making ridiculous demands and then getting ignored because the demands are ridiculous

>banning online gaming will save video games
Trust The Plan

>>715243141
>getting ignored
Really seems like the opposite to me

>>715241992 (OP)
A lack of organized religion and strong community ties.

>>715242712
regulation isn't bad but the EU has been known since 2016 to infuse mass surveillance and censorship into everything. the GDPR under DSA started good with pro-privacy, but then they added provisions to the DSA like hate speech having to be automatically reported to the local authorities of that IP within 24 hours. if you say "nigger", the platform is REQUIRED to file this with the police. then in 2018 they've used that to have microsoft, google, apple and what not to be legally required to install trojans and backdoors into your phone and computer (which is how palantir coincidentally always gets installed when people travel through the EU) on the request of the police, and now they want to mandate this to be done without even an investigation ie. the police can just enter your name to check on you, without reason. there is a rising fear in the EU of people already having been put into prison for even upvoting posts on reddit or liking tweets on twitter, which germany turned into a 4 year long tradition at this point where they raid hundreds of homes and people, seize their entire assets, and put them on trial for hate speech for having said or "liked" posts. people have already been thrown into prison for generating SFW images of politicians in the EU, because the EU argued that it is like kidnapping a politician and shooting images of them

also the EU thing where games are required to display the real money value next to premium currency purchases? yeah, it's great, but it also comes with a right where the EU can completely ban products if they contain pro-"fascist" messaging or other political messaging that they don't like

>>715242073
I mean a janitor at an arena and a pro sportsballer are both part of the sport industry but I wouldn't brag about being a janny at an arena

>>715243247
thats alot of niggerbabble to say europe is being raped by niggers

>>715242073
His dad is, he's QA drone.
t. QA drone

>>715242592
The reason why is that Pirate built his brand off of being the son of a Blizzard employee back when they were good who also worked at Blizzard back when it was good, and using that to position himself as a expert game dev.
This whole controversy tore down that illusion he built up because nobody big enough bothered to check him until he lost goodwill by being a shithead in regards to other more popular streamers which turned the public against him, so when Ross cheeked him again it worked this time because people were looking for a reason to hate him this time.

Normally the kinds of people who grow from this kind of stuff are those who base their content of their personality or those who are claiming to be experts on the winning side, claiming to be an expert when the court of public opinion is against you does no good.

>>715243390
there are plenty of contrarians like in this thread that are willing to argue the corporatist side, are they not flocking to him right now?

>>715242712
>many people have been convinced that literally any regulation is bad
Except for when it's in favor of big corporations, in which case they're mysteriously silent about it.

>>715242902
Chat GPT post

>>715243632
retard

>>715243464
Thinking that you're a retard for endorsing a movement that only cares about saving GAAS (but passes itself off as some crusade to save video games) is not 'arguing the corporate side'. The people that make GAAS are shit, the corporations are shit, but you're still a retard.

>>715242902
>>715243141
Ross has said a real goal before 'Get an official ruling about whether a game is a product or service and what is the official line between the two" the goal is to get all games on the product side of that line so that EU consumer protection laws can do most of the work from there. However if it fails to get them all then at least they tried.
He also stated that the minimum goal is a unmissable warning sign telling people buying a product when its going to end on the box or store page.

There you have an actual set of objectives to engage with.

>>715243650
but are they not flocking to him?

>>715243673
ross is a tranny who cant speak english better than a toddler without lisping like a retard

>>715243047
>That was enough for me to suspect you faggots were up to no good.
And we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!

>>715242365
Saar yes reddit is benchod *head wobble*

>>715243464
Because they don't like him either and they don't want him as the spokesman for their argument, to them he is just an obnoxious furfag that their opponents are using as a rallying point.
If anything it would be in their best interests for him to go away.

>>715243390
don't forget all his weird furfaggotry also came out and keeps being highlighted by people. So now everyone knows hes in an open relationship with his ftm husband, he's gay or bi, is a furry, has had a gay furry erp lover, tried to groom a teenager and probably has an anal gnome dildo

>>715243673
>Get an official ruling about whether a game is a product or service and what is the official line between the two
in my view it can be both
>the game itself
product
>online multiplayer (servers, matchmaking etc)
service
>minimum goal is a unmissable warning sign telling people buying a product when its going to end on the box or store page
this seems like a pointless and worthless goal, for many live service games (especially indie) this would just be "when its no longer profitable". a porefag indie developer doesnt have the capital to say "i'm keeping the servers running for 5 years regardless of what happens"

>goal has been reached
>still making eceleb posts
and this is why I have been against it since day one, because the movement was never about the goal.
slippery slope blablabla, kill yourself instead of replying to me and do something better

>>715243824
what dont u get? banning online games will save the industry

>>715243247
this unrelated schizo ass vomit is what MAGA vatniks like to write just so that anything that opposes russia's invasion can be dismantled.

>>715242365
You tried really hard on those names didn't you

>>715243824
But if the service side of it prevents the product side of it from working at all then the consumer protection laws step in.
And in the case of your response to the minimum goal, then the game would have a big fucking banner on the storepage say "CAN BE SHUT DOWN AT ANY TIME" which would be common sense but in the moment seeing that when going to buy something will dissuade a lot of people and in turn dissuade devs from making games that do that.

>>715244009
>But if the service side of it prevents the product side of it from working at all then the consumer protection laws step in.
this is the part that is too vaguely defined

>>715241992 (OP)
Slave mentality

>>715242365
/v/ has teamed up with cringier

>>715243247
So it's just mixing two separate things together to make one look needlessly bad, gotcha.
Not that the US is entirely innocent in that regard either. Just instead of making laws against unwanted opinions they say it's the platform's freedom to ban any unwanted user. Nevermind the fact that without a platform your free speech is worthless anyway. Which reminds me, we also need a regulation that protects users from arbitrary bans, suspensions and whatnot. Especially if the user is earning money through that platform like youtube or twitch. In other words, we need a form of due process and compensation for when it happens.

>>715241992 (OP)
>Ok, then draft a full legal document covering every edge case
That--
That's actually entirely fair to ask. If you're gonna demand the government get involved to mess with the free market and the personal liberties of game studios regarding their intellectual property, then you need to have a solid and comprehensive idea of what exactly you're gonna be asking them to do. There's a multitude of ways it could go wrong without it, even for those that signed the petition.

>>715242073
Based Thor

>>715243047
STAY MAD YID FAGGOT LOL

>>715242503
(You), apparently

>>715244150
Has anyone from the left side self married?

>>715242073
>Pirat is part of the industry
no he's not. he was a nepo QA tester and a forum moderator

>>715243464
Because those people don't actually believe what they're saying and are just baiting for (You)s.

>>715244094
It's not meant to be a law itself it's an initiative to get the ball rolling, there is a word limit and they can't write what they want for every case. Get real. "It's too vague" is not an argument that holds any water in this case.

>>715244150
>4chan
>reddit
>tumblr
>Know Your Meme
>Sargon
>Boogie
LMAOOOOO

>>715243247
this is just made up retarded blabble.
none of the things this guy lists is due to EU but by countries themselves having those laws.
most of them are examples in the UK which isn't even a part of EU.

>>715244249
Sounds based to me.

>>715244094
And that's what they are trying to resolve by bringing it before the EU.
Again the goal is to force devs to make future games with a EOS plan that lets people continue to play the game in some form without dev involvement.
But before you can event think about getting there you need to clear up the grey area always online games have resided in since their conception.
And if it gets cleaned up on the side of service completely then at least there is no more confusion on the matter and all future action can be taken with clear legal understanding.

>>715244150
teams have been shuffled since then

>>715242073
PS is a groomer pedo? That explains why he defends Ubisoft and EA

Brainwashing.
More and more since 2008-2010 it was turned into a culture war versus a class war, to the degree that people who are being oppressed and negatively effected will debate others on line to maintain a system that continues to make their lives shit.
Once you get far enough into it, you get them campaigning to remove their own rights too and you know what's beautiful? They think they're being righteous doing so.

Useful idiots who are easily influenced.

>>715242348
Yeah, me.

>>715243047

>>715244352
>PS is a groomer pedo?
Nope. That's Null

>>715244239
>ring bear
it's ring bearer you funking retard

>>715244239
That's just pitiful.

>>715243047
>your secondaries

>>715244276
>there is a word limit and they can't write what they want for every case
what a ridiculous excuse, it doesnt take many words to say what they want to happen in the case of live service games

>>715242075
are you sure it's not your tongue that's fatigued from licking so many boots

>>715244534
it does when you don't want the other party to rabbit hole their way out of doing what the people want

>>715241992 (OP)
slight fix for accuracy

>>715244642
isnt the opposite of that exactly whats happening now? they come up with some vague initiative with no concrete details so they can rabbit hole it into whatever they want later on

>>715244484
Wouldn't be that surprising if it was just a bulky gay dude.

>>715241992 (OP)
What causes you to think that you deserve to be able to run your own servers for a game that is designed to be profitable only when played through official servers? You don't have the right to just decrease revenue of corporations, it doesn't matter what reason you provide.

>>715243709
Seethe jeet

>>715244672
>dev
he was QA

>>715241992 (OP)
Terminal contrarianism in most cases
In actual cases? Jewish blood and/or a horse in the game.

>>715244851
>You don't have the right to just decrease revenue of corporations
>YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO NOT BUY THE AAASLOP YOU MUST BUY YOU MUST BUY IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE DECREASING CORPORATION REVENUE

>>715241992 (OP)
Nobody gives a shit about these absolutely dogwater games you're whining about. At this point I just dislike you and your stupid threads.

>>715244851
Because I'm the customer and I want to have as many rights and benefits as humanly possible, nigger.

>>715244672
I mean the pro SKG people love to engage in speculation and going into the weeds a lot, I understand that it's fun to do that but ultimately at this point this initiative is just "the gaming industry is too laissez faire, the government should start drawing some lines in the sand" and that's fine, I think people can agree with that, but when you start going into the weeds of "oh f2p microtransactions should be like this and that" then I think you just start losing to people and start getting into pointless bickering yourself, if there will be actual regulations written into law then that'll be a long process involving lawyers from customer protection agencies, industry representatives and eu commission appointees, then once they produced a draft the public can decide what they think about it, it's not gonna be "oh anon on 4chan said that all f2p games should be deleted so that's the law now"

>>715241992 (OP)
Because the real impetus is not consumer protection but "muh artistic inspiration"
This shit was outed 9 years ago
https://youtu.be/T2pdvh4uiaM?si=_3FVOVgAFfsJGZtn

>>715242348
that just makes me want to simp for her more

>>715244851
How are you decreasing revenue if the initiative only kicks in when the live servers are no longer running?
They didn't really bother schooling you on the subject when they hired you on an indian farm did they?

Also we do have the right to decrease revenue of corporations. It's what consumer rights are able to do all the time.

>>715243464
Almost no one is anti SKG actively, most threads and posts are falseflags and ragebait. And people who for some bootlicking reason are anti SKG still hate this dude because it's a bad look for them that their representative is a nepo furfag narcissist brainlet that codes as brilliantly as yandev

>>715244916
Don't be ridiculous, you have the right not to buy shit you don't want to buy, what you can't do is place artificial limits with the sole goal being to decrease revenue of corporations for literally no reason
>>715244971
Well you're not gonna get them

Why is /v/ pro-SKG? I thought we all wanted woke games dead

>>715242847
>living at the expense of Quebec taxpayers
ironic, don't Quebecois live at the expense of the rest of Canada?

>>715245090
i'm starting to agree
it's time to actually just start reporting people like >>715245176

>>715245176
/v/ is pro storage and owning shit even more than the culture war.

>>715242242
>check her channel
>she is singing
muh dick

>>715241992 (OP)
They unironically think regulations = death of the industry and no more games, even when proven it would only change things for the main AAA publishers that have been actively ruining established standards of the industry for the past decades. Especially since almost all indie games and most dev studios (like Capcom) already comply one way or another with what SKG wants.
Or they're "indie devs", more akin to snake-oil merchants than actual game devs, that want to maintain legal grey-areas to potentially swindle customers without consequences, before the new potential regulations comes in and inspire foreign governments to ratify the same laws.
Or they're just dumb contrarian baboons.

>>715245284
too bad she just finished the stream lol, but Hibi-chan is singing too so I'll watch her now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRaD6BphMbY

>>715245390
look man its clear either two things will happen
no one will bother releasing games in europe if they have any online connection
OR
they will come up with a work around that's far worse than what we currently have
my bet is on cloud streaming of games only in europe

>>715245090
It's pathetic what people do in chase of minute dopamine boost.

>>715245176
I don't play games this movement would affect and I didn't sign it, but the drama is all a good laugh.
besides, the corpos who make woke games are against it.

>>715245281
Why would you want to play dead woke games?

>>715245537
If I paid for it, it's mine. If you don't like that, go cry to your fucking daddy, Jason.

>>715243047
>your secondaries
Ya dun goof'd sir. Back to the drawing board.

>>715245450
Why do you retarded niggers never pay attention to all the EU regulation that has already made its way into the tech industry? All the gloom and doom about USB-C or refundable digital game keys wasn't warranted either. If there is boatloads of money being made in a market, the industry will comply with regulations. They'll grit their teeth, they'll piss and shit themselves in the press and explain how the entire industry is going to explode but in the end they comply. If Hollywood censors their movies for the asian market because China throws a hissfit about anything that could remotely be misonstrued as anti-CCP, then developers will find ways of adding end of life solutions to their life service games.

>>715245630
this is different
this is potentially infinite cost

I only hate pie rat because he said he's a hacker then unironically told everyone his game is impossible to pirate. Bold faced. Why? Because his DRM uses Steam achievements as your fucking save file.
All his credibility straight down the toilet as a software developer. Impossible to pirate because you used Steam achievements? Those heavily encrypted and secure and impossible to spoof little gameplay badges?
Midwit. Absolute midwit.

>>715245450
Either aren't economically viable though, especially when the arguments of "Offline play or dedicated servers aren't possible"fall flat due to the numerous amount of past, present, indie and professional games that have either.
Especially those of AAA publishers like Blizzard that have D3 having online only on pc but offline play on consoles. Would make for some fun shareholder meetings though.

>>715245614
You bought a woke game?

>>715245790
>Either aren't economically viable though
forced cloud streaming is actually very profitable
they get to charge per the hour
and they can just say you are renting a stream not renting a game

>>715245704
>locally hosted servers and offline play is infinite cost/support
Factually no lmao. If they decide they'd rather host their server indefinitely instead of patching an offline mode, that's their choice.

>>715244996
Stop Killing Games

Not hard Jeet

>>715241992 (OP)
Being American seems to be a strong prerequisite. So used to getting fucked by corporations they think it's normal.

>>715245704
how?
You just release a server bios or something along those lines when you don't want to keep a game alive anymore and your fine?
The only argument is "if he old product is still around they won't buy the new one" but you have no real way of factoring in potential lost sales from that issue and its better to have your product work in the EU markets and make what money you can than not at all.

>>715245898
>windows or 64 bit is no longer supported anywhere
>company has to redo the entire game to run on modern hardware

>patch offline mode or local server support
>someone spreads rats over unsupported local server support
>get sued/lose reputation
its simply not worth it

>>715245992
>You just release a server bios
you have no idea what you are talking about
>EU markets
are tiny and becoming more irrelevant every passing day
everyone is focusing on china now

>>715245992
>if he old product is still around they won't buy the new one
People say this, but I think it's legitimately not the case in real life. Why isn't everyone playing old Call of Duty titles but instead move to the new one? It's not like Activision has killed MP for every other game but the latest one. Overwhelming majority will get the new game because it's new and they'll stick with it. In the same fashion I doubt the tiny Battlefield 2 private community is a threat to new Battlefield EA intends to shit out.

>>715246071
>I doubt the tiny Battlefield 2 private community is a threat to new Battlefield EA intends to shit out.
it actually is
those die hard players are the best ones to milk

>>715246071
You don't understand. Even if 5% of players doesn't adopt the new game that's a LOSS.

>>715245090
i am not against the principle, but i am against the current form of SKG, see >>715242902

>>715241992 (OP)
Ross won.

>>715245992
>You just release a server bios or something along those lines when you don't want to keep a game alive anymore and your fine?
YOU
ARE
NOT
ENTITLED
TO
MY
SERVER
SOFTWARE

>>715245176
i'm against book burning in general because it gives a biased view of the past
unless you preserve bad things the only people who will know they were bad were those who lived through it

>won't bring back already dead games
>won't save games without any live service getting pulled out from stores by devs/publishers
it's useless. Oh, and you'd be at the mercy of tech literate people to jigamajig a working server.

>>715246213
you don't own any server software

>>715246229
>unless you preserve bad things the only people who will know they were bad were those who lived through it
True. It's easy to support something you agree with to begin with. It's the shit you can't stand that deserves preservation as well.

>>715246213
And you aren't entitled to not get bitchslapped by the government. Glad we cleared that up.

>>715246297
as a game dev i do own the gameserver software i wrote, and i wont be giving it to a bunch of entitled redditurds throwing a tantrum

>>715246342
what's the plan anon?
just never release in europe?

>715246342
you aren't a gamedev either, you're a shitposter

>>715246042
>>715246213
>mad about the Server Bios rote
Chill its just one example of one potential route they can use, instead you can jsut plan your game from the start to function without a server connection or do what the megaman phone gacha did.
The way any legal proceedings about this are going to play out is a long negotiations addressing all these issues and trying to come to a viable outcome.

>>715246012
>>windows or 64 bit is no longer supported anywhere
>>company has to redo the entire game to run on modern hardware
Like remakes, remasters or ports that are resold with offline and/or dedicated servers?
>Unsupported local server
>sued
Not legally responsible since it's unsupported. The only one responsible in this instance is the one hosting the server.
Has any game companies ever been condemned over a private server?

>>715243047
lmao go back to coding your dead game like a first semester cs student

>>715243313
temporarily embarrassed ceo

>>715246367
my plan is to continue with what i have been doing because this retarded initiative is never gonna accomplish anything

>>715246497
what if it does?

>>715246542
it wont
screencap this

>>715241992 (OP)
>Actual game developer has issues with some random non dev's retarded proposal
>/V/ supports the non dev.
You people don't deserve video games.

>>715246562
but what if it does? and how would you have felt if you hadn't eaten breakfast?

>>715246367
You're finally beginning to understand what will happen.

>>715246628
I don't eat breakfast. What a retarded question.

>>715243148
if only, online is cancer

>>715246497
Even if you'll be right, don't you think it's excessively and ridiculously naive to think that there's no chance for it to do anything this early on?
EU is currently making moves on the mobile game industry, it's not outlandish at all to think they'd agree with more consumer rights. It's not a "what if" scenario either, they are literally in the process of drafting laws against mobile microtransactions.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_831

>>715246628
nta, but what you're saying is like you're being a part of a religious movement. Go on, anon. Believe.

>>715244553
nah right wingers never get tired of that

>>715246746
i am just asking a hypothetical
i am 50/50 on it passing
and 100% in believing that will only lead to euro game death if passed

>>715241992 (OP)
>Tfw lolbertarians turned out to be the actual bootlickers all along

>>715246575
>Actual game developer
Debatable.
And most actual devs agree with the ideas of SKG and already comply one way or another.

>the fbi being used to "combat piracy" when the goverment is trying to hide the epstein files
They are screaming the truth in your faces, it's up to you to pick a side.

>>715246906
no choice but to go innawoods/return to monke

>>715246739
that link is about advertising and selling microtransactions to children, sounds perfectly reasonable to me, i would happily make any games i sell 18+
>Even if you'll be right, don't you think it's excessively and ridiculously naive to think that there's no chance for it to do anything this early on?
no, because the initiative is done so poorly and everything about it is so vague, its easily handwaved away by lobbyists. i dont see why they wont just come up with some reasonable goals instead of this ridiculous waste of time

>>715242902
>but no they instead go for "no one should ever be able to end service of a game ever for any reason"
That is not what the movement is about. Read the FAQ you dirty lying nigger

>>715246995
So far all the arguments against the initiative are the ones being handwaved away.

>>715246995
>no, because the initiative is done so poorly and everything about it is so vague
That's what an initiative is thoughbeit. It's a conversation starter, not a law proposal.
>reasonable goals
Such as?

>>715241992 (OP)
You're not a "boot licker" if you're a benefactor. You're the boot in that case.

>>715247053
the faq is written by a retarded guy who cant speak or write any better than a toddler

>>715242242
>>715242348
she's yet another confirmed WMAF lover

>>715242503
>guys if we just TALK to the big corpos theyll listen to us!

>>715247053
already did
>>715247113
singleplayer content should not have always online drm

>>715247275
ew gross how am i meant to fap to that?

>>715241992 (OP)
>What causes people to boot lick gaming mega corps?
no idea

>>715247329
by being White

>>715247308
>singleplayer content should not have always online drm
it should actually
if i pay for it then you should too
FUCK PIRATES AND CHEATERS

>>715246959
We have to ATTACK. We must attack. I can't say much more, my goverment is reading this as we speak.

>>715246995
>no, because the initiative is done so poorly and everything about it is so vague
It was literally presented as a gold standard example of how to write an ECI petition by the ECI themselves because it was so precisely and unambiguously written.

>>715241992 (OP)
The only game that's tied to digital profile and always online shit I ever bought was the crew. Tried playing it today because why not I felt like cruising in a big map and I can't connect. Game's delisted anyway so Ubishit kikes probably don't care.
I can't fathom the idea of disgusting goys defending those practices. Either they are bots run by Tel-Aviv or people with what we call in my country le syndrome du larbin. Goyturds happily gorging themselves on goyfeed™ and never questioning anything.
Kill billionaires and kikes.

Yes that's the only always online shit I ever bought and it's not happening anytime soon. And the last ubikike game too.

>>715247405
bullshit

>>715247375
Stop paying for it loser

>>715247308
>singleplayer content should not have always online drm
I agree. But why -or more importantly- how does this exclude the ability to host private servers?
Why stop at singleplayer only games?

>>715246179
Thta is in no way the current form and it is hilarous that so many people missu derstand it, intentionally or not, but the EU summary, which is written by congress workers and not the people initiating the movement, did get the idea.
There it is stated that the end goal is for games to "end in a resonable playable state", which does not mean it has to keep its online features, just that the game is still bootbale and pkaybale to an extend.
At no point in SKG it says companies have to support the game in any way beyond end of service, the examples of giving dedicated servers or similar tools are just some examples given for the practise since those have already been done before.

If anything it is fascinating that so many of you still insist it demands for endless support rather than just opening the document and read it.

>>715247339
>Ubishit exec
I'm comfortable with not buying your game. That money can be saved to order a hit on your head you filthy bugman like practices encouraging greaseball.

I'm that mad for one game I bought ages ago for less than ten bucks, how are people not fuming about that kind of crap?

>>715243247
>they added provisions to the DSA like hate speech having to be automatically reported to the local authorities
Oh look, anon is being a disingenuous piece of fuck again:

> Article 8 - No general monitoring or active fact-finding obligations
> No general obligation to monitor the information which providers of intermediary services transmit or store, nor actively to seek facts or circumstances indicating illegal activity shall be imposed on those providers
>
> https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32022R2065#art_8

>>715247457
>it is hilarous that so many people missu derstand it
hmm i wonder if it could have anything to do with it being incredibly vaguely written with no concrete goals thus allowing supporters to weasel out of any argument despite the ridiculous things it asks for

Every argument against SKG has either already been answered by the FAQ, falls into a fallacy category or is outright retarded.

>>715247451
You perfectly know why. Kikes can't grab you by the balls and sell you shit if you can make private servers.

>>715242073
fake career with barely any coding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGrBXrftDg
fake voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF4ijyCBARU&t=25017
fake puzzle runs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZvK6BvktLw
he's not part of the industry more than (You) or me

>>715242902
>SKG is so objectively good not one post against it cannot stop lying about it

>yeah you will be forced to hand over your private server software at EOL so we can run our own private servers but that doesn't violate your intellectual property rights because i say so

>>715247457
>There it is stated that the end goal is for games to "end in a resonable playable state", which does not mean it has to keep its online features, just that the game is still bootbale and pkaybale to an extend.


Can't wait for having the game able to boot up and show the main menu be deemed "functional and reasonable" by corrupt eu faggots.

>>715247365
but i am white....

>>715247365
based
there are other uses for brown bois

>>715247692
i dont care about corporate IP

>>715247701
you vill racemix and you vvill like it

>>715241992 (OP)
What causes people to hoard things for life? Your children (if you have any) are not going to give a shit about your 100 year old copy of Forza offline.

People get better products when companies aren't obliged to follow some crazy requirements.

>>715247732
and there it is

>>715243247
>also the EU thing where games are required to display the real money value next to premium currency purchases? yeah, it's great, but it also comes with a right where the EU can completely ban products if they contain pro-"fascist" messaging or other political messaging that they don't like

No it doesn't. The first follows from the unfair commercial practices directive, which was established in fucking 2005.
The EU's recent guidance document on the topic of the use of ingame virtual currencies literally states that.

Even for a shill, you are a dumb piece of shit.

>>715247752
it's funny, to a corporate shill somebody saying "i don't care about megacorporations having unlimited rights to jew you for eternity" is a huge gotcha

lol

>>715247701
if you don't like asian women then you can at least appreciate the work of these men creating hapas
female hapas start at 6/10

It's hysterical to me how he claims to be a hacker when he was just a professional phishing scammer

>>715247692
>nooo you can't just let players play a live service game after it EoS that's just so impossible!!

>>715247692
Man, I didn't know I violated the IP of every company that has ever released software that allows me to run dedicated servers for their games. What a bunch of retards, lol. I guess Project Zomboid is in public domain by now.

>>715247830
im an indie game developer, i just dont want to hand over things i wrote to entitled retards

>>715242337
Actually believable youtube or twitch never skilled him.
His content is super boring.
All he has is deep voice and even then it's probably voice changer
His chat is super dead (for his viewer numbers)

He came out of nowhere with boring shit and rose to 20k avg viewers on twitch in like 1 year

>>715247874
>im a greedy retard who doesn't understand anything in the world so let me fight the battles of my enemies for them

you are cattle

>>715247113
They are actively seeking for it to be law in the EU, that would then de facto force it everywhere else.

If it does get through the whole bureaucracy and proposed by the European Commission, it would be wise to have a technically proficient framework that could be applied within the law instead of relying on legislators and committees and whatever other organs and institutions that help draft up laws that might not fully understand or care that much about the issue.

One of the main causes of the current misunderstanding, willful or otherwise, is because the initiative itself is very vague in how it intends to achieve its objectives in the contemporary gaming industry. If you look at the FAQ, it’s mostly ‘No trust me bro, it’ll work’. It really wouldn’t hurt to have some sort of manifesto or technical document that could help bolster his argument and potentially aid in drafting the law instead the future.

>>715247915
>AYO SERVERS N SHIEEEEET? GIBS ME DAT

>noooo it's impossible to create things like dedicated servers, it will cost years and billions to develop such impossible technology

>>715247940
Since you're clearly an expert, please explain the European legislative process.

>>715247874
Are you developing a live service game that requires people to connect to your servers in perpetuity?

>>715244249
>no he's not.
Yes he is. He's in bed with the publisher for Rivals of Aether, which is a live service game.
Juicy little detail: the actual developer of the Rivals of Aether 2 sequel is actually an outspoken proponent of SKG and has distanced themselves from all of Thor's statements in the matter, going so far as to call them bunk.

Take that as you will.

>>715247984
Yes this is called consumer rights, something you brownoid zoomers have never had. Now shut your mouths and let your betters take it from here.

>>715242365
I know /v/ hates games but why do you still come to game threads?

>>715248024
yes

>>715244672
He nwver wrote a single line of code

>>715248048
have you considered suicide instead?

>>715245090
>codes as brilliantly as yandev
Hey! Don't insult yandere dev!

>>715248106
if i release my server software for people to use for private servers, theres nothing stopping them from stealing my code and using it for their own purposes (e.g. making competing games)

>>715241992 (OP)
We needed a villain to propel this motion.

>>715248174
What's stopping them from just using chatgpt to make something better?

>>715248174
I don't fucking care. Make better games.

>>715246042
>EU markets are tiny
40~60% of revenue in games comes from the EU.
Cope.

>>715242503
>Whose the boot licker here?
the corporation dicksuckers
like you

>>715247573
It is vague because the objective of this initiatives is to start discussion and even if it gets all the signatures, the other side also has a right to demands and defend and a judge will ultimetly decide what the correct way to act is. What needs to be avoided matters more than what needs to be done, because the exact solution should be a middle ground or ideally (as the petition also states), a set of possible solutions so developers can opt for the one that works best for them.
Petitions with clear goals or points are discarded or rewritten because tha is not a point to discuss but one-sided demands.

The main issue is what the problem to tackle is. He solution comes next and needs to be agreed by both sides or at least the judge.
>>715247698
Not really since that is not playable and that's already what happens with dead games.

>>715246995
>no, because the initiative is done so poorly and everything about it is so vague
The EU itself literally cites it as a top example on how to formulate a Citizens Initiative's objectives.
Cope.

>>715241992 (OP)
>>715242075
Death to all corpos

>>715248479
Death to communism

>>715247940
>One of the main causes of the current misunderstanding, willful or otherwise, is because the initiative itself is very vague in how it intends to achieve its objectives in the contemporary gaming industry. If you look at the FAQ, it’s mostly ‘No trust me bro, it’ll work’. It really wouldn’t hurt to have some sort of manifesto or technical document that could help bolster his argument and potentially aid in drafting the law instead the future.

Ambiguity will be addressed when all parties concerned sit down with lawmakers and make their case. This is how the process works. First you have representatives from all sides make their case, if something can't be resolved it will be brought in front a judge who will make a ruling on it. Then legal experts translate the result of that process into language that can be interpreted by the judiciary in the future.

>>715248373
>40~60% of revenue in games comes from the EU.
got stats to back that up?
that also include mobile data, which makes up 50% off all gaming profit

>>715248468
the EU is a bunch of faggots and jews whose only goal is making white people suffer

>>715248174
Just make the game bootable and playable in an offline way with no tools to connect to others.

>>715248530
So just like america

why do jannies keep deleting my VIDEO GAME threads but leave up all the armpit generals
ttps://x.com/LyricWulf/status/1933215922719997971

>>715248530
Go back to your containment board you low IQ retard.

>>715248174
So true! And this is why it's literally impossible to make single player games.

>>715247940
>They are actively seeking for it to be law in the EU
They are actively seeking A law that achieves something beneficial in this topic, not their law. They didn't even propose a law, just an idea that lawyers will cook in the oven for atleast 2-3 years as they come up with a good directive.

>might not fully understand or care that much about the issue
That's their job. They hire actual experts like you would in court to give tangible evidence of feasibility. It's a bit pessimistic to think that lawmen just make laws out of the blue simply because they do not care about video games when this >>715246739 already shows that they do indeed care, atleast to some extent.

>very vague in how it intends to achieve its objectives
Well then you talk to people, over the course of many years. Why do you think that this gets voted and then they'll go
>"alright then, write this into a law RIGHT FUCKING NOW"
It will take years of back and forth between lawyers, initiative representatives and experts to forge a directive.

Imagine it like this.
>bridge
>is bad, about to fall
>people don't care
>someone writes an official letter to the government
>hey, I've gathered a million people and we all think the bridge should be fixed, please get some engineers and figure something out
>engineers sit in a room for a while then come up with a feasible answer to save the bridge
instead I often see people think that it's like
>hey please fix the bridge
>okay, GIVE ME THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS NECCESSARY OR WE WON'T and I hope you're an engineer because we'll treat you as such
It's complete lunacy!

If anything, this initiative opened my eyes about how easy it is to misunderstand a government process for many.

>>715248638
if what you want is to ban online games then just say that, dont pretend its about something else

>>715247698
>Can't wait for having the game able to boot up and show the main menu be deemed "functional and reasonable" by corrupt eu faggots.

Existing EU legislation already defines the principle of being "functional" as having and expressing in working form all functionalities the product was originally stated to have by its manufacturer or by the trader selling it, in any in-store statement, advertisement, interviews, or otherwise officially sanctioned material.

If a game has a trailer. Everything shown in that trailer, you must be able to do.
If a game advertises multiplayer. It must work.
etc. etc.

>>715248514
>communism is when the government stops a multi-billion dollar chemical factory from pumping waste chemicals directly into the water supply of a city

>>715245443
she's done too, I'm watching Rino-chan now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQcChqRT4g4

>>715248702
Yes actually, corpos should be free to fuck your ass until it bleeds if it brings money to the bank

>>715248695
I'm indifferent to the existence of online games

>>715248648
no its more like
>one bridge falls down
>start an initiative called "stop killing bridges"
>ask the government to make a law that bridges can never fall down
>do not specify how that could be achieved
>call anyone who complains about its vagueness a bridgelicker shill

>>715246271
Jeet

>>715242503
>which could easily be resolved if people thought about the topic for just one second.
How the hell is that an easy solution

>>715242075
It really is remarkable how consistently Leftoids all behave exactly identical, while at the same time pretending to be intelligent free thinkers

>>715248012
Not an expert but essentially if the petition gets enough valid signatures it goes through a Comittee which evaluates its validity, feasibility, etc. It’s then either chosen for to be proposed by the European Comission, deferred for further study or investigation or rejected. The EC then assesses the petition, drafts the proposal, negotiations with the EU Parliament and Council ensue and if all is kosher, the latter bodies approve it and it becomes a EU directive assumedly, which member countries then have to adopt into their local legislations.

>>715248816
What's the problem? You want to risk a bridge collapsing every time you're on it or what?

>>715248816
>>ask the government to make a law that bridges can never fall down
Could you please elaborate on how this is an accurate analogy?

>>715248742
and by corpos I mean jews

>>715248174
There's nothing preventing them from doing that with the game client either.
Oh no wait- there's is: FUCKING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.

You DO realize you can actually fucking license the server for non-commercial use only and not allow it to be reused for derived works, right?

>>715248921
the game cannot be "shut down" you must provide a way for people to continue to play it

>>715243709
Yeah, I'm sure you're a swell guy who has my best interests at heart

>>715248695
Games with regular online, dedicated servers or p2p are unafected by this.

>>715248958
yeah im sure chingchong chinaman cares about your fucking non commercial use license
MORON

>>715248972
Wouldn't you analogy instead be like
>provide a way to cross the river with a bridge
I fail to see how your specific analogy connects at all, unless there's some major misunderstanding at play.

>>715248530
No- that's the USA.

>>715244094
>this is the part that is too vaguely defined
Defined by who? This isn't a law, and frankly I don't see how the initiative is vague in its goals

>>715248648
Yeah, I’m saying that if they bothered to be more specific and provide greater technical detail, the entire process would be much smoother. You have to understand lawmakers and lawyers aren’t necessarily going to be knowledgeable or care about any of this shit, so leaving the work entirely up to them is probably not a great idea.

>go to supermarket
>they sell a product that isn't properly regulated because it's an entirely new thing
>product breaks
>go to supermarket and ask for replacement or refund
>they refuse because the regulation grey zone for the product doesn't require them to provide refunds or replacements
>file a complaint to government's consumer protection agency
>some dipshit finds my complaint and argues that since I haven't submitted a properly formatted, finished draft written in accurate legalese my complaint is invalid and they're going to fight me on my complaint
>mfw

>>715247573
>written with no concrete goals
The goal is to keep games playable after the publisher shuts it down. That's plenty concrete. Who is it that's so confused about what SKG wants?

>>715249202
if its so concrete, explain how that would be possible

>>715248816
yes, in first world countries it is illegal to allow a bridge to fall down

>>715249237
Weren't you talking about goals?

>>715249096
It's their job to learn, why should I do their job for them?

Yaaaaas SKG! My pathetic life has a meaning now! Thank you Ross! Thank you pewds! We did it Reddit!!

>>715242075
I have cuckold bitch (you) fatigue

>>715249247
inb4 >usa >first world country

>>715249247
No. It's just that it is in everyones interest to keep the brindge functional. In games it doesn't really benefit anyone to run a liveslop game for 100 years. People get more games, more jobs, and the industry moves forward more if we just don't do that.

>>715249237
LAN, private servers, P2P, emulating the server connection and making the game singleplayer etc. It really depends on the videogame. Also kill yourself you dumb fag.

>>715249312
Don't care leftard

>>715248742
> Hello, anon? This is your bank. Yeah- we're going to go ahead and close all your accounts and take your money for ourselves, as per agreement.
> Now; now- don't complain. It actually WAS in our terms of service that we were allowed to unilaterally change our terms of service at any point in time in whatever way > we desire and that your continued use would signal your agreement to those terms. Well- we just changed them to state all your money belongs to us. You accepted that because it looks like a payment from your account just went through to our sister organization handing your mortgage.
>
> Oh, by the way - they're going to want to have a talk with you as well.
> Something about insolvency - I believe?

>>715249306
No, you did it, anon. We're all so very proud of you

>>715249237
>dedicated servers
>Offline mode with limited features
>peer 2 peer
All these 3 solutions used to be the standard and have plenty of examples. None has ever harmed any developer even if they wanted to make new games or sequels unless the sequels were so bad people went back to the old ways, and even then those are a handful of cases over 3 decades.

>>715249275
a goal that there is no way to accomplish is worthless

>>715249336
It benefits me because I can use the product I paid for. If the publisher is incapable of keeping it playable without turning off the servers, it is not my problem.

>>715249387
Are you really incapable of understanding how a game could persist after the developer stops supporting it?

>>715249387
>no way to accomplish
u wot?

>>715249020
Ching-chong chinaman might not.
But the US and EU would. And would not allow sale of such products using stolen intellectual property, within their borders.
So unless you - as a small indie - are actually partnered with a Chinese company, as all western companies are required to be allowed to be doing business in China through your state-sanctioned Chinese proxy, this is all a big nothing-burger.
SUPER-RETARD MORON

>>715249464
for some games sure it is very possible, for others it isnt

>>715248816
>company builds a bridge
>company takes care of the bridge
>until the company doesn't want to maintain the bridge anymore
>detonates the bridge, with everyone still on it
>repeat

>stop killing bridges petition is a succes
>instead of blowing up the bridge, the bridge can stand up indefinitely with an easy, cheap, quick solution
>this pisses off all of the American corpobootlickers

>>715249353
>word word word
the left can't meme

>>715243650
>movement that only cares about saving GAAS
You're just as dumb as Maldavius, contrarian-kun

>>715242073
He was a social engineering "hacker", this means he wrote emails to other departments and got them in trouble if they responded

>>715249502
Why not?

>>715249502
It would be easily implemented if games were developed with it in mind. SKG isn't asking for it to work retroactively

>>715243464
>there are plenty of contrarians like in this thread that are willing to argue the corporatist side, are they not flocking to him right now?
Because they dont actually care about any of this, they are contrarians just for the sake of it.
I did it plenty of times myself just for fun.

>>715249518
>stop killing bridges is a success
>company is forced to hand over their concrete, steel, construction vehicles to the public and tell them how to maintain the bridge
>company goes bankrupt

>>715249549
He's the Nigerian prince

>>715242535
Always keep in mind that libertarians are retards and degenerates. You shouldn't take them seriously.

>>715249453
Most people do not want to play a 10+ year old liveslop game.

>>715249334
>>715249336
sorry, I was talking about first world countries so the opinions of americans is irrelevant

>>715249649
So?

>>715249649
And?

>>715249585
Not relaly. All the company needs to provide are the guidelines necessary to maintain the bridge so it doesn't collapse. Who spends time and resources for said maintenance is not the company's responsability.

>we should make government enforce dumb idea
that's a dumb idea
>BOOTLICKER

grow up children

>>715249518
its more like the company still owns the bridge and just closes it down
which happens all the time

>>715249550
>>715249570
how does a game with elo based matchmaking continue to do so when the official server shuts down and there is no single authoritative server that can determine what a users elo is?

>>715242535
>the most common source is a hatred of regulation of any kind
thats a common jewish talking point
they don't want goyim to have any semblance of power or realize how much leverage even the dumbest nigger cattle have

>>715249585
Nope, they just need to tell the public how to maintain the bridge.
Gaming companies will not have to ship server hardware to my home when support for a game I bought ends.

>>715249585
Even with a simple analogy you're retarded.

>>715242503
My lack of support for corpos shoving dicks down peoples throats has not prevented them shoving dicks down peoples throats because people keep on opening up their holes for the yummy dicks so I might as well get the government to shove dicks down corpo throats instead so that the peoples throats remain dick free.

>>715249668
So it's better to just not having a stupid law like that and make a new one.... Literally everyone wins. And the people who don't like liveslop can keep playing other games just like before.

>>715249701
You let me handle matchmaking

>>715249729
its the same as being forced to hand over my private server software to users

Video game is not important enough to warrant additional government overreach.

>>715248816
I want to cross the river (play the game), I don't care if it's the same bridge (their servers) or a new bridge (private servers), I just want to cross the fucking river.
If you can't maintain the bridge because you've built it defective, build a new one.

>>715249701
Like games without elo?

>>715249701
This has to be bait, no one can be this retarded

>>715249795
You can cross the river without bridge.

>>715249701
Elo and ranked systems are just a way to measure competition in an online enviroment. It is data and stuff that comes after the game, not during it.
Removal or inability to use elo does not mean you can't play the game since private games or unranked is a thing, and that alone would comply with SKG demands.

>>715243464
they are getting paid for this not for subscribing to some amerimutt

>>715248695
You said that corpos can't just make games available for offline use because then there's nothing stopping people from "stealing" the code to make competing games. So by this logic, it is in fact impossible for anyone to make single player games, because people would just use the code to make competing games.

>>715244150
>reddit on /v/'s shoulder
this will never not be funny

>>715249767
What? How does that help me continue playing the crew?

>>715248816
Yes, bridges do have to be built according to regulations to ensure they won't fall down, retard.

>>715249791
This isn't just a question about video games, since it will influence laws on other digital media. I don't see how it's an overreach

>>715249791
It doesn't matter what purpose a commercially sold good serves. The government must protect people from malicious or illegal practices.

>>715249832
people can and do rip things from their singleplayer games all the time retard

>>715249701
You just make a separate LAN mode without the matchmaking. It's pretty fucking simple.

>>715249857
It helps you to understand that the crew is a shit game and we're better off without it and your opinions.

>>715249889
And how big of an issue is that?

>>715242503
>>715242535
>>715243047
>>715242902
I agree, communism and state regulation is bad, that's why we need to abolish the goverment enforced monopoly that is copyright law

Until that happens, though, shit like Stop Killing Games is the next best thing

>>715249889
So it's been happening all this time without causing a problem?

>>715249921
>It helps you to understand that the crew is a shit game
Why? Because you've been told by your internet friends to think that?

Game journalists are turning this into another Gamergate. Look how they're making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the movement and warning people about Pirate Software's harassment campaign.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
These fuckers are really playing dirty now.

>you'll never hit 600k
>you'll never hit 800k
>you'll never hit 1m
>you'll never hit 1.2m
>YOU ARE HERE
1.4m soon boyos

>>715249993
Stop spamming this shit

>>715249886
It's a service.

>>715249963
this is why there is a separate server / client relationship with much of the logic happening in the (private) server code you moron
and exactly why developers dont want to just hand out their server software

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>715249921
Who is better off without it, and how are they better off?

>>715250050
>just vote with your wallet
Hey, how is 2012, you fucking retard?

>>715247417
you can check it yourself
https://citizens-initiative-forum.europa.eu/document/how-draft-initiative-legal-requirements-and-practical-advice_en#ref-2-initiative-details

>>715249992
No because I played it on a free weekend and it has a driving model worse than a ps1 racing game that doesn't even have tracks. You just drive around some random city from point A to B and see your number go up.

It's fucking scary seeing how fast the industry is altering the narrative. We're seeing a lot more SKG = Gamergate as we inch closer to the deadline at the end of the month. We got to be fucking careful and not fall for their tricks.

>>715250046
Why not? You just confirmed that rips haven't been a problem.

>>715248816
>company makes bridge
>buy lifetime pass to use bridge
>company keeps bridge up for several years
>eventually company can't sell bridge passes anymore because everyone's bought one or people are using different bridges
>blow the bridge up
>no refunds
>"bro can you just not blow up the bridge and let us fix it ourselves when we need to?"
>no fuck you buy a pass for our new bridge with holes in it

>>715249820
Great, provide those methods then to the citizens, I don't care.
I want the river to be crossable (playable) and some rivers (games) are currently designed to be impassable.

>>715250108
gamergate was right though

>>715250004
you'll never hit 1.4M

>>715250050
punish
corpo
faglords
that
do
this
shit
from
the
beginning

We need to legislate psychopathy away from society. It's the only way. Males that run the top 1% are all psychopaths. It's clinically proven. We need to legislate their power AWAY and back to the people you fucking bootlicker. Why aren't you at work, working for mr rich guy who gets to sit at his yacht while you toil away for 16 hours a day and pretend that you like it? Stop posting in here and bend over your pretty little asshole for mr rich over here and let him pump you, you little bitch.

>>715250058
People can work on new game instead. More games (for you), more jobs (for workers), less costs (for company), and overall the industry moves forward.

>>715245117
good thing it isn't the sole goal then

>>715250031
FALSE. It's a product that requires a service to function without telling the customer ahead of time when exactly the service will stop being available and the product will stop functioning.
A service would be something like World of Warcraft which explicitly tells you "You're buying 1 month of game time".

>>715250140
They will just stop selling lifetime pass.

>>715250050
just don't sign the petition if you don't like it.

no need to cry about how people decide to use their democratic power.

>>715250184
>Males that run the top 1% are all psychopaths. It's clinically proven. We need to legislate their power AWAY
Who do you think runs the government that you're presenting your little gaping butthole to?

>>715250186
Me playing the crew doesn't prevent any of that

>>715250260
>using democratic power to bring back communism
You're not as smart as you think you are.

>>715250050

>eat my entire ass

the line that triggered millions of retarded autists worldwide. will you ever recover?

>>715242073
He's not, but he REALLY wishes he were.

>>715250242
Not that guy but how is it ok to sell a "game" that REQUIRE a monthly subscription on top of it to be played

>>715247730
Wish the sequels focused more on wolf boi too

>>715241992 (OP)
>gaming mega corps
gaming only?

>>715250324
Yes, communism is based and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>715250324
>fighting for the right to private ownership is communism
How many chromosomes do you have?

>>715250098
>it has a driving model worse than a ps1 racing game that doesn't even have tracks
What do you mean?
>You just drive around some random city from point A to B and see your number go up.
The map of the entire USA is a big part of its charm. Driving is the whole point of a racing game anyway

>>715250339
Will he?

SKG shit just makes me realize how much people don't really understand or care about how the world actually works and only think about things emotionally and what they want

Live service games are not products.They are services you have the privilege of accessing

>Forcing game companies to give away the release the infrastructure and bones they created to allow people who don't own the copyright to run and even possibly make money off of their product
By far the stupidest thing SKG wants

>Everything Thor related
Because Thor communicates his thoughts like a jackass narcissist, most people just want him to lose out of spite rather than think about what SKG actually does to games long term

>>715250310
Ok then why aren't you playing it? Right, because you can't play it unless they put in resources to make it playable for you which is net negative move on the grand scale for all sides considered.

>>715242075
>Boot? Shoelace? Yammy in my tummy!

>>715250258
Still an improvement

>>715250359
yeah, he's the hottest of the bunch

>>715242075
Then why are you seething so much at the thought that people might be able to own their property and choose what to spend their money on?

>>715242261
>>715242592
There have been actual devs and other random youtuber twats completely dissecting his code and his "claims" about where he worked and for how long, which seem to be changing from month to month.
Guy even lied about having covid, straight up destroying even the little credibility that normies thought he had.

>>715250417
The world is shit and I'm trying to make it better. Cum guzzling of the status quo is pathetic.

>>715245090
>hate eggs
>did you hear that guy hates eggs
>oh you mean like the chicken rapist?
>the what?
>the guy that hates eggs so much he rapes chickens to death
>wow who would associate themselves with such filth?
>egg haters obviously.
>agreed
lol

>>715250531
I have news for you, communism isn't going to make the world better.

>>715250050
>just
>let
>this
>practice
>slide
>surely
>it
>won't
>get
>any
>worse

>>715250562
Why not

>>715250562
see >>715250390

>>715250419
How is it a net negative? Everything you said previously would still be possible AND I would have access to the crew. That seems like a net positive.

We are saving video games
with no survivors
you WILL own things and you WILL be happy

is this the new gamergate in terms of #GAMER media attention and how many personalities are now attached?

>>715242902
>>715246179
Being against SKG is being anti-capitalist. Commies want nothing more than being able to dictate what people can buy or not and to be able to take away the things you have paid for by force.

>>715250374
yeah if being gay, living in a concrete tenement, and starving to death are based i guess commies are based huh

>>715250562
proof?

>>715250417
>copyright
You don't lose anything in regards to copyright by giving people server hosting tools, you dishonest retard.
>and even possibly make money off of their product
This entire thing is for when companies have decided that they are no longer going to sell a functional product anymore. There is no "lost sale" argument, moron.

>>715250417
>Live service games are not products.They are services you have the privilege of accessing
Just because you say that, and publishers say that, doesn't mean I agree with the definition or I desire the mindset
>Forcing game companies to give away the release the infrastructure and bones they created to allow people who don't own the copyright to run and even possibly make money off of their product
Why would the devs care that someone is making money on the thing they abandoned anyway? And you haven't actually demonstrated that it will happen

>>715250675
the USSR and all of it's atrocities and fagginess

>>715250442
Okay. I still feel this is a waste of time and resource for everyone involved. I guess the lobbyist group need to earn their keep somehow.

>>715250634
PewDiePie retweeting some post isn't gonna give people as much ammo against this as you think.
Even the whole drama with PirateSoftware has already shifted to him being a shit coder.

>>715250590
>>715250390
You can't own a service.
Just because you own a mcdonalds burger wrapper doesn't mean you're entitled to infinite access to the mcdonalds kitchen.
Once the service has ended, the product is considered consumed.

>>715250658
>being gay
lmao, have you seen capitalist societies?

>>715250050
I told you before: any game you own can be patched to include a mandatory log in for some live service crap you don't care about.

>draft a full legal document covering every edge case
yeah that's how laws work, is that supposed to be the unreasonable perspective?

>>715250737
You can't get any more american than this, jesus fucking christ.

>>715250718
The USSR systematically cut off the dicks of mentally ill people, oh wait...

>>715250634
why does she look like she's trans

>>715250746
Not my problem

>>715250737
>You can't own a service.
No, I own a copy of the software needed to access the service. I want to keep using that copy even after support has ended.
>b-but the law
the law can change, that's literally what this initiative is about

>>715250704
>And you haven't actually demonstrated that it will happen
you never heard of private servers for mmos? you think they do that shit for free?

>>715241992 (OP)
>claim to be le expert leet codeur
>dad worked at one of the higher positions at Blizzard
>the nepo baby couldn't even get a coding job despite claiming to be incredible at it
>got some low level tester job instead

How bad at coding can you be? What a fucking chode

>>715250789
Richest, whitest and freest country in the world. Cope

>>715250704
When EU politicians finally decide that video games is a service, there will be no turning back. No more fence-sitting. No more gray area.

>>715241992 (OP)
low Testosterone mostly

>>715250417
Kill yourself commie. I like owning things.

>>715250782
It's not up to Ross to make that document. It's up to actual lawyers, in collaboration with EU's lawyers and leaders. It is completely dishonest and disingenuous for PirateSoftware to request something like that from a layman.

>>715250840
>No, I own a copy of the software needed to access the service. I want to keep using that copy even after support has ended.
Are you still on Windows 7? StopKillingWindows movement when?

>>715250873
>whitest

>>715250841
What's the problem?

>>715250737
Your example would work better if McDonalds had a total monopoly on creating burgers (to the point where you can't legally make one yourself) and could decide burgers are no longer legally available for anyone at any point in time.

>>715250841
Why not? You shill for game companies for free.

>>715250929
Windows 7 still works though

>>715250562
That's why SKG is fighting against it.

>>715250929
Yes, I still have one Windows 7 machine in my home. Microsoft did not remotely deactivate it when support ended.

>>715250840
Let me make it easier for you to understand.
Once you have eaten your burger, that's it. It's done. If you want more, buy a new one.

>>715250841
>you never heard of private servers for mmos? you think they do that shit for free?
There's way more free private MMO servers than there are paid ones. Something like Return of Reckoning is allowed to exist because it's non-profit, for example. If they started taking money, then it wouldn't be allowed to exist and would receive a cease and desist.

>>715246042
>everyone is focusing on china
the opposite, they're toning it down as it becomes increasingly clear theil chinese economy is built on hot air

>making an online game work offline is impossible

>>715251006
I didn't eat the burger. Corpos took it away from me before I could.

>>715250928
Laymen and lawyers should not be deciding how games are required to be made and you are a fucking retard if you think otherwise.

>>715250841
True, but just how big of an issue is that? I doubt something like Turtle WoW is eating into Blizzard's profits in any way that's noticeable. And if Blizzard kills off WoW in the future, then why would they care? Remember, we're talking about AFTER the devs have axed the game, not before

>>715251006
>forget old product, buy new product

>>715251074
why should some irrelevant shitter profit off my hard work? get a job

>>715251073
That's democracy, sorry bro

>>715250928
If Ross isn't able to make that document, he has no business making this petition. He's out of his depth and so are you.

>>715250873
>Richest
1% owns 99% of the wealth.
>whitest
USA is literally 50% non-white at this very moment.
>freest
Go ahead and attempt to talk bad about jews in any kind of official capacity and see what happens to you.

>>715250908
Good

>>715250949
You can't claim monopoly here because 99% of games continue to work already without SKG, why are you so hell bent on passing a shitty law for the last 1% of shitty games that aren't even worth saving? There are much bigger things to worry about.

Reminder that the only requirement is to keep the game in a playable state after end of service.
Not that you can still play the game online.
Or even that you can play the entire game.

As long as you can play the tutorial or something without needing to be connected to the official servers it would pass the SKG proposed legislation.

>>715251093
You are buying burgers of gaming. Yes, buy it again. Now with 1 more feature and slightly better graphics.

>>715251006
What about "all you can eat" buffets? Are you the kind of guy who defends restaurants who will advertise that, but then cut off people after 3-4 meals because "it's too much"?

>>715251171
you mean 1 less feature

>>715250050
Just don't sell in the EU if you don't like our legislation

>>715251137
Feel free to worry about the bigger things then. Why are you in this thread when there are bigger things to worry about?

>>715251152
It's like saying Apple could include a fake USB-C port on their devices that does absolutely nothing or with limited functionality. Sure they can do that, but the EU will sue them out the ass.

Honestly, I want the government to stay away from my videogames. The last time they paid attention to videogames (the EA lootbox debacle) they banned all forms of gambling in videogames. Now I can't play the funny anime horse racing game.

>>715251073
Who should decide then? Are you going to suggest that it's developers and publishers who should decide? Because they will fuck the customer over as much as possible in the name of profit.

>>715251071
Your fault for not eating it on time. As nature dictates, a burger will go stale after a period of time. Same happens with live video games. You can't expect the company to keep pouring money into a shitty product to keep it alive for the few dozen autists that can't let go.

>>715249993
I'm so glad game blogging is dying. The ability for places like Kotaku or Polygon to hijack narratives is nothing anymore. Nobody listens to them.

>>715242073
"Pirate"

>>715251253
>you can't do x
Watch me

youre in support of live services, not games. you dont want to save games, you want perpetual online stimuli like the money brain you are

>>715251152
Nah. EU is fully infiltrated by jews yet. If SKG passes and becomes a law, any company that attempts to strip down their game in a "we did what you asked :^)" kind of way will get fucked by the EU for intentionally trying to sabotage things and interpreting the law wrong.

>>715251123
Why would you care if you've completely abandoned the game? And if it's a question of the game disappearing forever or some random guy making a profit, what do you think a developer prefers?

>>715251258
We got Dexerto to worry about now. Their shit spreads like fucking wildfire and it's scary.
These fuckers want people to feel sorry for PirateSoftware and call SKG another Gamergate.
>3M views

>>715251238
Nobody, retard. Nobody should decide.

>>715251137
>why are you so hell bent on passing a shitty law for the last 1% of shitty games that aren't even worth saving?
Why are you so hellbent on opposing it?

>>715250782
Europeans are full of themselves as usual. A socialist solution to a service problem will result in a worse service.

>>715251253
>game is EOS
>release final update making the game offline singleplayer
>in case of multiplayer, let people make dedicated servers

>every game company should waste thousands maintaining servers for 10+ year old dead games that no one cares about!!!
There are currently 30 people playing Lethal League Blaze, 9 people playing Just Cause 2 Multiplayer, 52 people playing Dirt 4.

If these games were somehow shut down, NO ONE would care.

>>715250050
If we're going to be governed (and we are, deal with it), why wouldn't you want said government to use their power to protect us? There's no reason to tie your hands behind your own back when we have tools to protect ourselves.

>>715251225
No?
The requirement for that was specifically that every USB chargable device needs to be chargable with a common USB cord.
You don't actually know what SKG is about do you?

>>715251374
>there should totally be no laws and regulations
I wish I was 14 again, like you.

>>715250347
I find that infinitely more acceptable than selling a game as a product and then pretending it's a service.

>>715251386
Whatever, you can have the better service in the states and we'll have the games.

>>715247573
it's is rather clear and had concrete goals, you just can't read properly

>>715251427
>be retarded

>>715251427
>it's another posters who has no clue what SKG is about and thinks it's about keeping servers online forever
Retard.

>>715251339
disappearing forever
i made it and i'd rather die than have someone else make money off it

>>715251321
>game must be playable after eos
>make game playable after eos
>get sued

lmaoing at eurocucks

>>715250046
Ever heard of WoW private servers? You know how those get made? They basically reverse engineer the software needed to run server-side by listening to the client-server traffic and just figuring it out.
You can't sue them because guess what, they're not using any proprietary code, and all the assets are in the client. If the industry would take their heads out of their asses they would understand they could sell us this software too. But no. They want to die on this stupid ass hill that doesn't make any goddamn sense to anyone who understands anything.
But, this will happen: EU will create new lawfare that will be a big nothingburger, then EU countries will make watered down laws based on said lawfare. AAA will make a big pooha over the thing to keep investors glazed and invested and it will be bussiness as usual.

>>715251427
How does them spending that money affect you personally?

>>715241992 (OP)
>What causes people to boot lick gaming mega corps?
Youtubers telling them they're against corporations only to start an initiative that directly benefits them by removing the consequences of blind spending.

>>715251502
Deserved.

>>715251436
The petition straight up says "leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state". The emphasis here is on REASONABLY. If they just provided the tutorial and not the rest of the game, that is very clearly not a reasonably playable state.

If you genuinely disagree with this, then you must be jewish.

>>715251550
Meds

>>715251517
For one they aren't using that money to make better games but instead they're using it to keep the shitty games you keep on buying alive.

>>715242073
>calls himself Pirate Software
>advocates against piracy and ownership of your video juegos
Like pottery

>>715251502
See >>715251614

>>715251550
>I want to walk into a supermarket where 90% of the products are literal poison

>>715251501
Then you're a spiteful cunt

>>715251436
>You don't actually know what SKG is about do you?
Most people who support it don't.

>>715251501
What a spiteful existence. If you sold it, it's on the market. If you want to horde your little code away, don't sell it in the first place. You shouldn't get to take your game away from the people you exchanged money with.

>>715251628
So you're mad about a company making money?

>>715251687
>>715251698
why do you think you deserve to make money off the back of someone elses hard work you pathetic commie leech

>>715251374
That's nice and all, except it's not practical at all