Thread 715251845

NFS is dead as a series. What racing game series remain now besides GT and Forza Horizon?

>>715251845 (OP)
Dead genre just like rts.

>>715251845 (OP)
Asseto/iRacing for sims, Grid, Dirt

This genre is FUCKING dead, just end it all.

Don't even try to revive Burnout or Split/Second, I don't want them. I have no hope for any decent racing games EVER AGAIN.

Zoomers barely drive
And gen alpha will all have self driving cars
Racing as a concept is basically over

>>715251845 (OP)
Hope they give burnout another chance. Maybe even split second 2. The concept alone was fucking awesome.

underground 1/2 were the last NFS games anyone gave a shit about. they should lean harder into car tuning/customization and throw in stats because people love grindy rpg stat shit

>>715252315
>underground 1/2 were the last NFS games anyone gave a shit about.
most wanted is the one that sold the most, but not by much in comparison to those. Carbon sold pretty well as well. The decline is sales started with pro street.

>>715252184
>And gen alpha will all have self driving cars
Most boomers still cant grasp this

>>715252184
Using petroleum-driven cars is regressive. Video games need to take the initiative and stop including them.

LMU, or if you want to race Verstappen, try iRacing

>>715252290
what all of you need to understand is that the people that made the golden era games aren't in the industry anymore and car culture has gone down the drain with social media

>>715251845 (OP)
It's alive and well. I just installed Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed yesterday.

>>715252647
If i wanted to do that i’d just go drive a car irl, iracing isn’t fun and is sub shit too

>>715251845 (OP)
Even speedhunters had been declining for a while already. Dino and that chinese guy just split off and started their own stuff

We need a Midnight Club 5 with an accurate Atlanta map. All early 2000s crunk rap.

>>715252923
>borders
excuse me wtf r u doin

>>715251845 (OP)
EA now push for F1 instead NFS so basically all future racing game from EA is F1

>>715252947
Fun is arguable. The subsystem sucks, I know, but there are always alternatives like ACC or if you just want to be free, rFactor 1 or 2. But yeah, you probably won’t do that since you don’t like playing racing games to begin with

>>715252868
yeah but the template for those games are there. burnout is an easy concept and split second 2 already had a bunch of concept art made before the game got canned.

>>715253336
I like arcade racing and simcade, don’t like full sim stuff

>>715251845 (OP)
>EA killed NFS and WRC in less than a full year
>It's all gonna be yearly F1 slop from now on.
There is no justice in this God forsaken world

genre was massacred by open world slop

>>715251845 (OP)
BallisticNG

>>715253517
Underground 2 and Burnout Paradise are both 10/10, though

>>715253040
R* will never revisit their secondary IPs ever again

>>715253517
As much as i like forza horizon i can’t necessarily disagree since they’re more driving than racing games

>>715253489
half of the blame is on people they don't care unless it's some prestigious hyper competitive bullshit instead of going fast and having fun

>>715253609
Underground 2's map unlocks in the reverse order to what it should if you stop an actually think.

>>715253670
RDR is a secondary IP. It's only had 3 games. There's been 4 Midnight Cubs.

>>715253861
Hard simfags are to blame for a lot of it, GT for example when it was more like pokemon for cars instead of the sim league shit

>>715253935
RDR2 is the 7th best selling video game of all time

>>715253517
shut up and drive the oyveyron, superstar

>>715254028
Still a secondary IP. Also, you mean RDR3.

>>715253489
>There is no justice in this God forsaken world
nigga NFS has been trash for over a decade and a half. the developers have all been given a dozen chances to come up with a good modern NFS and they failed every time. you should be glad EA just delayed NFS for a future return instead of killing it outright, because it deserves it

>>715253935
Don't be delusional, RDR2 had outsold every GTA apart from GTA V and it's one of the best selling games ever. The most Midnight Club you'll ever get again is a racing focused update for GTA Online titled Midnight Club.

>>715251902
RTS will always be the more dead genre due to how incomprehensible it is for normal people. Everybody understands cars to some extent.

>>715253968
True, I think people completely stopped caring about the car themselves and started to want to be the highlight instead
I feel like that is why there is so many simfags around chasing the glory of being a "driver" instead of just enjoying cars

>>715251845 (OP)
>NFS is dead as a series.

>>715251845 (OP)
just play older games

>>715253165
I had the widescreren options enabled. I thought that was for widescreen monitor support but it seems like it just adds black bars.

>>715254082
no, I mean RDR2. Revolver is its own thing.

>>715254082
Idiot.

>>715254240
No, you mean RDR3. You're just confused.

>>715254187
Played Flatout1 again first time in a long while. Have never played the sequel despite owning it, I have nostalgia for that one.

>>715254280
no, I mean 2

>>715254280
See >>715254245

>>715254187
I want it to but you can definitively feel some of the outdated designs in those older games, much like flatout especially the older ones, it gets a bit annoying not having quite the QoL modern games have

>>715253479
ACC and rFactor aren’t full sim, but I know what you mean. If you’re okay with AI art since the ruski dev doesn’t give a damn about dialogue or story but throws it in anyway you could try CarX (it has kernel anti cheat so be aware)
>>715253861
The trend is already there most gamers in general don’t care about going fast. And again, “having fun” is an ambiguous topic, since the most popular game where you're just going fast and dodging traffic is assetto corsa mod

>>715254439
See >>715254245.

>>715254237
It technically is for widescreen support but the old bad way which is Vert- to get the aspect ratio. Given you need patches to make it run on modern windows as the best one - verok's - fixes widescreen inherently all you need to do is set a widescreen resolution in game and it works.

>>715251845 (OP)
>Need for Speed is dead
>Project Gotham Racing is dead
>Test Drive is dead
>Burnout is dead
>Midnight Club is dead
>Gran Turismo isn't quite dead but current game is P2W garbage

What the fuck is even left at this point. I'm so fucking sick of nothing but Forza shit.

>>715254598
Hell half of forza is dead too, horizon is what’s left there. TXR at least got a new game

>>715254443
You know I really do wish the whole racers vs cops were a bit more used.
I still do want an updated version of NFS mw with actual good cop chases and races.

>>715254442
what qol features are you missing in flatout?

>>715254598
TEST DRIVE LIVES BITCHES

>>715254598
If you can stomach being a paypig and buying a subscription every month iRacing is still the king of sim racing

>>715254598
There's barely anything P2W in GT7 what the fuck are you going on about?

>>715254928
Based on what he said i don’t think he has any interest in sim racing. Seems like a simcade/arcade guy

>>715254913
>no CERV III like TD3
Who cares?

>>715254913
Not after unlimited. that game was so fucking boring.

>>715254928
>iGarbage

>>715255053
The last good TD was what, III?

>>715254943
people seem to think it's impossible to earn money in-game, even though buying the cash packs would be the equivalent of buying the red orbs microtransaction packs for DMC V, which is to say retarded and pointless

>>715255053
I disagree

>>715252184
>zoomers dont drive
>zoomers dont own consoles
>zoomers dont play AAA games
>zoomers only play roblox, minecraft or fortnite forever
>zoomers dont drink
>zoomers dont go out to pubs or club
>zoomers dont watch movies
>zoomers dont buy music

Zoomers will be the death of modern culture as we know it as all the millenials die off.

>>715255308
zoomers also cant think. they need to be told what to think and do even as adults. you see this in real time at schools where they have a hard time thinking for solo projects and need to collab and do everything as group work (so they can do 20% while the others do 80%).

i blame allowing electronics in schools. back in the day it was instant confiscate. now you're allowed to bring phones and laptops.

>>715255308
>Zoomers will be the death of modern culture
zoomers will be the decline of culture, Alpha gen with AI might as well kill everything

>>715255531
my son is entering kindergarden and peers his age have fucking $800 iphones its crazy.

First Gen X killed culture
Then it was millennials
Now it is zoomers
Next up to be blamed: gen alpha

Please, place your bets on which group old man will yell at next.

>>715254943
SAAAR BLOODED BITCH NO CRITICISE SONY!!! Please stop jeet. The last good one was 4

They shouldn't have made the latest one a zoomer filled "we wuz anime n shiiiet cringefest" then.

>>715255308
Zoomgods can't stop winning

>>715255730
Gen alpha act just like zoomers

>>715252456
pro street was such a shift in gameplay style nfs never recovered from the shock
undercover was the last decent installment

>>715252567
EVs predate ICE. prior to 1911, more EVs were sold than ICEVs.

>>715253294
they nuked Codemasters a few months ago.

>>715253898
>nuu you're supposed to start in the Slum district

>>715252184
The younger gen just doesnt give a fuck about cars in general. The cars they want are driving phones tbqhfamalam

>>715261138
car culture was systematically exterminated by politicians and NGOs who want to funnel people into urban plantations where they have no choice on where they can live and have to rely on the state for basic sustenance.

there was a time when a 14 year old could work part time over the summer and save up enough to buy a car he could them tune and modify with basic hand tools in the shade of a tree, and take it racing and be competitive before driving home in it. (((they))) took this away from us.

>>715251845 (OP)
They were kind of on the right track moving towards being more anime with unbound, just build on top of that, do away with the obnoxious visual effects and just really refine it all to carve out a new niche

>>715260625
not really sure how accurate those sales numbers are but for the ones i found are

Need for Speed: Underground - 15 million+
Need for Speed: Underground 2 - 11 million+
Need for Speed: Most Wanted - 17.8 million
Need for Speed: Carbon - 15.6 million
Need for Speed: ProStreet - 10.9 million
Need for Speed: Undercover - 8.9 million
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit - 5 million+
Need for Speed Rivals - 4 million+
Need for Speed: No Limits - 3-4 million
Need for Speed - 3-4 million
Need for Speed Payback - 3-4 million
Need for Speed Heat - 3-4 million

according to vg charts, but the other source vary greatly.

All i know is that from underground to carbon people were all over NFS, then the series slowly dwindled

>>715262002
I was mega stoked for Payback until I saw the insipid F&F story and how underwhelming the offroading was. It would've been my ideal NFS if it weren't for those serious faults.

>>715262076
seems legit
my buddy bought prostreet day one and i went to go see it and man was i disappointed. that shit didnt even have couch multiplayer from what i remember
those numbers check out. i dropped the series after undercover
i still play carbon

>>715251845 (OP)
Literally just GT, Forza and Mario Kart.
F-Zero 99 was fun for a while.

>>715260957
It’s funny how EVs were only abandoned since batteries were shit at the time. Combustion is inefficient as hell nowadays compared to EV

>>715263432
they had the same disadvantages they do now. shit range, heavy, fire hazard.

>>715262076
The ones you got are out of ass. Vgchartz numbers look nothing but baseless claims.
In reality it's more like:
>UG1: ~15 million officially
>UG2: ~11 million officially
>Original MW: ~15-16 million officially
>Carbon: ~10-11 million imo (EA's 2006 yearly earnings chart stated it was over 8 million, the number definitely rose higher later)
>ProStreet: ~6 million officially
>Undercover: less than 4 million officially
>Shift: ~3 million oficially
1/2 cuz this site has gay text limit

>>715255308
so almost all good things?

based zoomers

>>715265041
Other than 2 or 3 none of those are good unless you’re an antisocial weirdo

>>715264754
>Shift: probably sold ~5 million, mainly because it was shift to simcade genre
>The Run: likely less than 3 million, it was disappointment to everyone
>MW2012: sold well, speculated that it sold ~4-5 million, maybe even 6
>Shift 2 probably sold poorly, probably less than 3 million, no reports
>HP2010: at least 6 million, maybe even 8 million, since it sold 5 million copies in 2010 alone through Christmas sales, later got remastered in 2020
>Rivals: speculated to ~8 million copies because of Sony leak
>NFS 2015 reboot: speculated to be ~8-9 million because of Sony leak
>Payback: 5-6 million at best, according to official earnings call it sold over 4 million and was generally not very well received
>No Limits is freemium garbage, it's f2p, just like World.
>Heat: over 5 million for sure, officially exceeded sales expectations (which were probably around 4 million)
>Unbound: likely sold less than 4 million, publicly was stated it generated 64% less revenue than predecessors

>>715261138
The younger generations avoid cars because they know they won't be able to afford shit. Interests alway correlates with affordability. If you will be poor, you naturally will only focus on essentials rather than frill.

>>715252031
Grid is dead too

>>715260625
Undercover was trash.

>>715252031
Only Assetto Corsa is good. iRacing is SaaS trash. Dirt is now WRC and GRID is dead.

>>715266119
you say that but then they'll put down used car money on the latest iPhone which they will only keep for 18 months

>>715266402
You're pulling it out of your ass now.

>>715266380
EA ditched the WRC license, it went back to Nacon. Codies only got F1 now.

>>715255308
I can't wait. All of the past generations culture is already dying as corporations try to desperately resurrect old things and not move on. Rip the band aid off and forge a new culture run by us zoom zooms.

>>715266380
Codemasters' WRC is also dead, Dirt is on life support

>>715261694
what you are talking about is the general economic development of constant money printing and inflation while not raising wages.
there is no agenda to destroy car culture, quite the opposite, there is an agenda FOR it. in the us, you cannot get anywhere without a car, but cars are expensive, so you have to take a loan for one, which your government ABSOLUTELY LOVES.
car culture is dying because of inflation and because modern cars are filled to the brim with electronics and luxury to rip off normalfags and neo-rich retards. some kid working a summer job doesn't care about subscription-based heated seating, that kid wants a cheap car, not a luxury saloon on wheels for snobs, but a cheap car without dogshit add-ons doesn't exist anymore.
and then there are people like me who grew up with video games and tech. I love racing games, but I have absolutely NO desire to race a real car ever, because I learned a lot about myself when crashing, and I don't need to replicate this in real life

>>715254237
NFS3 and NFS4 need fan patches to help shape them up for modern times

Car licenses must be so expensive and short now. There's no way you can sell 4-5M units and still only scrape by.

>>715254598
Anon you missed the BIGGEST racing doomposting news of this month. Microsoft just killed off Forza Motorsport - officially.

>>715266678
>>715266520
Hold on, why? I thought they'll be making WRC games now.

>>715266402
>oh boy, only 15 more years and I can afford my first cheap car!

>>715256915
>>715262002
The duality of man

>>715260625
Undercover had to PATCH IN RUBBERBANDING to make the game difficult in the first place. Kiss my ass, Undercover was just a half-assed Most Wanted.

>>715266817
I know it's a Discord image, but this is from Codemasters team

>>715255605
Your son is gen alpha you stupid fuck. And that gen is about to come to a close soon too.

>>715267012
I want to kms

>>715251845 (OP)
car culture in general is dying if you dont wunna wrench on 20yr+ shitboxes with mates that is i even stopped playing sim vidya outside of beamng and ac its shit

>>715267116
What a fucking waste. What the fuck were they even thinking

>>715266874
>>715266516
my first car cost me 1100. my second was 1300. literally cheaper than a new iPhone in 2025.

>alright, we have this racing game... it always sold well, but we need to find a bigger audience!
>how about we fill the game with cutscenes of dark-skinned people and change the soundtrack to mumbleshit?
>interesting, how will this increase sales?
>...uhm... diversity?
>*franchise dies because of low sales*
How did this happen? Oh no, that terrible, how - oh no!

>>715267228
EA are scumbags and will buy studios just to stripmine their IP. EA without question bought Codemasters purely to get the exclusive F1 license they've had since 2009.

>>715251845 (OP)
Uh Mario Kart just came out?

>>715253609
Underground 2 has too much regression for it to be called a great sequel

>>715267228
ea dont think they just buy kill

>>715266402
>18 months
They release new iphone every 12 months and the drones buy the new one each year

>>715267353
i saw this coming for almost 20 years and im still pissed
first codies split into turn10 and playground now their daed what is there now gt slop?

>>715266695
buddy government has been openly bragging about "increasing walkability" for 50 years. They have thrown billions at public transit in every major city, and have been desperately trying to tax people back into the cities. the government HATES that people owns cars, and the only reason they haven't gone the Euro route of outright banning them in cities is because the auto worker union lobbies so hard against it.

your knowledge of American politics comes from euro shitposts on /int/.

Realistically, the market right now is basically just Mario Kart and Forza.
Once Xbox decided to port Forza to PS5 it was over for Gran Turismo.

>>715252184
>Racing as a concept is basically over
NOT ON MY WATCH FUCKBOY

>>715266310
still better than anything that came afterwards

>>715267534
Turn10 had nothing to do with Codemasters, it was formed internally my Microsoft in 2001. Playground had a couple of ex-Codemasters guys early on but I think it was only 2-3.

>>715267561
Anon if that were true then the tax base in fucking rural locations would be far fucking higher than now, and it's not. The money moved to the suburbs because of the white flight and increased investment in cars, and people complain about non-existent charging stations for electric cars, forgetting when cars were far more prevalent, gas stations few and far between, as China is learning the hard way as it doesn't have the fueling infrastructure with all the highways it's been building.

>>715253542
Nobody played it and now there's an open source PC port of Wipeout

>>715266652
>posts an image from Old Culture while typing this
hmm

>>715251845 (OP)
A fact there are more AA/AAA and indie fighting games coming out than racers is so fucking weird lmao. If you would tell me this 10 years ago or even less id ask if you suffer from profound mental retardation but here we are.

>>715261138
I mean, pretty much every new modern thing is a worse, more tame version of what we had before. And I think cars are pretty much the same.
What new and exciting car that came out in the late 2010's?
Truth is, much like what sort of video games we have now, everything is more tame, lame and safe.

>>715251845 (OP)
We'll always have hot pursuit

>>715267626
Even Forza is DOA. Motorsport is officially at the dead end and both T10 with PGG are being fused to 1 studio while over half of staff are laid off. Horizon is not going to be any good, either, and likely next Horizon game might be the last, because Horizon 5 is considered garbage by most people who actually play racing games.
Racing games market will be indie projects, modded old games, Mario Kart, iRacing that nobody likes, and Gran Turismo.

>>715267865
they don't tax rural people harder because they're all on welfare anyway so it makes no difference, and we're not so totalitarian yet that the feds will round up poor people and forcibly relocate them (only the injuns got that treatment). the single largest tax base is middle class suburbanites, they pay more in taxes than anyone.
Ask yourself this: where is the section 8 housing located?

>>715267771
you're retarded

>>715268126
No shit moron, did you think black people had jobs that paid much if they could get one at all? That's part of why section 8 is usually found in cities. Even my podunk little fucking town has Section 8 housing.

>>715267316
you never played the series

>>715268554
that's my point. they put subsidised housing where they want people to live.
I guarantee the S8 in your podunk town is a lot closer to the urban core than it is to the suburbs or outskirts.

>>715267946
Companies don't have to pay for licenses to make fighting games. Do you think EA and 2K have a monopoly on the most popular sports because their games are good?

>>715269038
Majority of fgs are actually licensed shit anon but yes id assume that car manufacturers want retarded money for licenses. This doesnt explain why even arcade racers with original car designs like Burnout are dead too.

>>715269038
>mono = single
>two companies
words have no meaning

what's the best racing games then, /v/?

the best:
>racing sim
pure car racing sim, no fluff.
>arcade
funny superfast points and music tracks
>"career mode"
best racing game that offers some form of progression-be it through cars or the elevation of a story mode career

>>715251845 (OP)
>BF6 flopping might legit kill EA
fuck yes

>Mafia lost to GTA because the driving “sucks”
>People complain about GTA IV because the driving “sucks”
>Prostreet gets dragged for having “trash handling”
>Devs and publishers decide, “Fine, we’ll just cater to niche markets”
>The niche market actually pays and sticks around
>Turns out, the niche has an actual ecosystem
>Devs start doubling down on the
>Then they try experimenting for the “global audience” again
>The global audience still hates it
>Profits drop
>So they ditch the global crowd and go back to the niche that actually buys stuff
Shocking twist, right? But can’t really blame anyone here, tbf

>>715254148
>Everybody understands cars to some extent.
zoomers don't

Are there any modern sim racers with decent career modes and good AIs? Feels like this whole genre has been turned into a bare-bones multiplayer-only payfest for dedicated autists.

>>715254913
What were they thinking with Solar Crown
>game about cars
>set it in hong fucking kong, with its tight roads and excessive trafic
>screw up the physics so these tight roads suck to navigate
>start the player out in cars that are already too fast for these roads, and only get faster from there
>constant nagging to do something a la forza (lack of which was a selling point of the previous two games)
>for some god forsaken reason region-locked matchmaking, ensuring that you'll never find another guy to spontaneously cruise with

>>715270714
Tokyo Xtreme Racer

>>715270714
LMU and PMR say they’re focusing on giving a strong single player and career mode experience, just like they promised but they could still be lying

All we have left is GT, Forza Horizon, Mario Kart and somehow TXR. I’m not counting sim autist shit like iracing, ac, nor indie trash

Why do you people still cling onto EA anything?
That corporation is built to only chase the bottom line, "video games" is an afterthought, whatever gets them the most money.

Just fucking stop, you'll never enjoy a modern Electronic Arts game, and if you do, it's most likely the first video game you've ever touched in your entire life and you just don't know any better.

So why are they killing everything after 30 years of psyops? Is the scary immigrant nigger invasion going to kill us all?

>>715267916
I did
was gud

>>715269552
For me it's classic NFS, especially High Stakes. Dreamy supercars, exotic locations, rollercoaster-like tracks, pursuits with cops, even being able to play as cops when you want something different. And an optional career mode to top it off.

>>715272052
Brand name and quality. Despite EA being EA, there would be lots of gems that you could play and they'd rarely disappoint.
Need For Speed in racing games genre used to be what Final Fantasy is for RPGs.

>>715252923
Retard

>>715266119
>If you will be poor, you naturally will only focus on essentials rather than frill.
lol, lmao even

>>715272342
>used to be
isn't anymore
and their new games are always online, so you'll never play them again after they pull the plug

>>715267561
>outright banning them in cities
like where?

>>715255308
>Zoomers will be the death of modern culture as we know it as all the millenials die off.
Has already been happening. That's why everything has been censored and sanitized with vidya and tv being pure unapologetic slop. Even the porn fucking suffers, it's all interracial cuckold garbage. Useless good for nothing generation.

>>715267116
he won

>>715271719
>LMU
>a strong single player career
a single full length season is 70 hours of racing, without taking into account the practice and qualy sessions

>>715266652
There won’t be a new culture to replace it. Culture as a concept is dying. There’s a reason for the phrase “the end of history”

honestly niggas just gotta bring back blur and everything will be alright

>>715253861
Open world racing games are ass cancer. Played one, played them all. Every track is the same, every car drives the same, it's boring slop.

>>715252184
I don't drive but I love racing games. I also don't kill people but enjoy FPS. If it's fun it's fun

for me, I’ve been enjoying TXR and BallisticNG although TXR needs a major update that isn’t just Quality of Life

>>715268652
Nta, but I didn't buy nigbound because of that

>>715251845 (OP)
I don't even remember the last good NfS.
How did the franchise survive for so long?

>>715267358
explain

>>715267316
EA is a by the numbers, cookie cutter, trend chaser company that will never have a shred of originality ever again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsHphBHLF4
If your first NFS wasn't NFS1 then I pity you.

>>715274763
Mine was NFSHP, that game sends me to a happy place.

>>715274763
I feel bad for people who played the rehashed versions of NFS1 as their first one. The 3DO original is the only genuine one.

On the topic of NFS, am I the only one that hates HP 2010?
I get so bored playing it compared to the Undergrounds or MW, it just feels bland.

>>715276114
I thought the same. That being said I'm not really a fan of the UG and MW generation either, for me the classic era is the only NFS.

>>715252184
>tfw i'm only just learning to drive at 38
I WILL enjoy cars before they all get cucked

>>715276114
For a game that is blatantly styled after TNFS it still comes out as too much of a reskinned burnout.